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10/2/26: "BIG MISS" Jobs Report Spells Disaster For Trump, Anthropic BEGS Pope To Declare AI 'Personhood', Narco Rubio · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Breaking Point. It's Friday, October 2nd, 2026. We've
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  Speaker 1: got Ryan Grimm. We've got Emily Jashinsky. How are y'all doing?
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing great. Never better.
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  Speaker 4: Incredible. All right.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a big show, as always. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: be looking into the latest job reports.
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  Speaker 4: Are they good? Are they bad?
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  Speaker 1: And then we're going to also be checking in Emily
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  Speaker 1: to church for a second. We're going to be examining
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  Speaker 1: the religious and personhood issues of artificial intelligence, which has
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  Speaker 1: been occurring in San Francisco, which Ryan, you're about to
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  Speaker 1: head over to. Are you going to be doing any
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  Speaker 1: religious analysis of Claude while you're over there in San Francisco?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll ponder it.
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  Speaker 5: There is actually a Bernie rally in San Francisco at
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  Speaker 5: 3 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: On Saturday. I think I'm going to go to that.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be at the Bay Area Muslim Council banquet that evening.
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  Speaker 2: If anybody is there, come say hi. And then back
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  Speaker 2: here on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Is Bernie entering into another anti-AI rally here in San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco in the belly of the beast?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what the plan is?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be some of that.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Very, very cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then, Ryan, you've got a final story of the
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  Speaker 1: day for us, if you want to tease that.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Remember when we talked a couple of weeks ago about
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  Speaker 5: Fernando Seremedo, who was the who is the business partner
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  Speaker 5: of Brad Parscale, kind of like a Roger Stone, but
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  Speaker 5: more powerful down in Latin America. He put out a
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  Speaker 5: hit on his pregnant mistress. She was shot three times.
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  Speaker 5: She survived. He was arrested. She started spilling all of
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  Speaker 5: the beans of his criminal enterprises. He's now being accused
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  Speaker 5: of drug trafficking and all sorts of other criminal activity.
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  Speaker 5: and linked to almost every kind of right-wing authoritarian government
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  Speaker 5: in Latin America. He's being prosecuted by the Bolivian Attorney
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  Speaker 5: General yesterday. The Bolivian Attorney General appears at the orders
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  Speaker 5: of Marco Rubio, was kidnapped basically at a press conference,
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  Speaker 5: and a whole bunch of his prosecutors were also arrested.
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  Speaker 5: Rubio is saying that the AG is actually the drug trafficker. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the truth is probably that they all are. However, the
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  Speaker 5: idea that he was arrested for ties to narco-trafficking rather
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  Speaker 5: than for prosecuting this ally of Brad Parscale and MAGA
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  Speaker 5: World is fanciful. It came literally one day after his
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  Speaker 5: girlfriend released a photo of Sari Mado with Donald Trump Jr.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, that's enough. Wrap this up.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, much to look forward to there. Glad Rubio is
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  Speaker 1: getting back in the mix. He needed somebody to keep
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  Speaker 1: him busy. But why don't we start with Trump, our president,
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  Speaker 1: who made a visit rally to Oklahoma and answered the question, why.
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  Speaker 4: Are you in Oklahoma? Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: And to be honest, you know, we do so well
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  Speaker 7: in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 4: We don't even have the governor's going to win.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to win.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be great.
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  Speaker 7: Your senator candidate is going to win. They're all going
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  Speaker 7: to win. And they say, why are you going to Oklahoma?
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  Speaker 4: I said, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: Because I won Oklahoma all three times with.
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  Speaker 7: The highest vote total ever recorded in the state's history.
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  Speaker 7: We got the most votes ever in the state history
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  Speaker 7: all three times.
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  Speaker 4: And we won all 77 out.
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  Speaker 7: Of 77 counties. So we set every record in the book,
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  Speaker 7: but think of it. We won all 77, all three times.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm the only one to ever done it. You
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  Speaker 7: know who was second? Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.
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  Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan.
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  Speaker 7: 56. So we're at 77. So if you think I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to skip Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 7: But it is true.
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  Speaker 2: And you know why I'm here?
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  Speaker 7: And the sad part is I think you have 20,000
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  Speaker 7: people outside the kid. Would anybody like to leave and
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  Speaker 7: let some of these people in?
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So Ryan, back on his bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, is this a sign of strength for the midterms
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  Speaker 1: that he's in Oklahoma, a state that he has won?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if Joe Biden had held a rally
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  Speaker 5: in Vermont, everybody would be saying real sign of strength.
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  Speaker 5: here for the Democrats. Yeah, Trump's in his safe space.
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  Speaker 5: He's in his comfort zone. I think that Republicans, if
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  Speaker 5: they can keep him out of anything competitive, they're happy.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to be able to. He's
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  Speaker 5: threatening that he's going to come to Iowa, Nebraska. Paxton
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  Speaker 5: already said that his convention in Texas torched everybody down there.
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  Speaker 5: The guy has become George W. Bush, and he's the
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  Speaker 5: last one to realize it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, that's Well, it was like very poetic at the end.
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  Speaker 6: He's the last one to realize it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, there are a lot of... And I'm putting this
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  Speaker 2: out for free.
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  Speaker 6: There are a lot of people in Trump world who
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  Speaker 6: will say it's bad for him to not do rallies
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  Speaker 6: because it means he loses his touch with his own base.
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  Speaker 3: So he apparently.
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  Speaker 6: Picks up what gets really big applause, what doesn't get
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  Speaker 6: really big applause, what people seem most excited about or
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  Speaker 6: angry about.
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  Speaker 3: And so.
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  Speaker 6: Whether or not that's true, it is true that a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people in his circles believe that they need
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  Speaker 6: to get him out into rallies. Otherwise, he just listens
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  Speaker 6: to literally like the CEOs, the AI people. Or just
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  Speaker 6: Dario and Sam Altman, whomever, Greg Brockman. And he's not
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  Speaker 6: even getting like the whatever you call that response from
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  Speaker 6: this big audience in front of him. And so it
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't surprise me if it's also Because I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if there are any marquee races in Oklahoma. Ryan, correct
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  Speaker 6: me if I'm wrong, but I think part of it is-
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  Speaker 6: Probably a competitive house race. Yeah, I'm sure that's definitely true.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think almost every state is going to
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  Speaker 6: have competitive house races. If the Mark Halperin analysis is correct,
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  Speaker 6: that behind closed doors, they really believe if you're even
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  Speaker 6: tied or up slightly, you're probably losing, according to Halperin.
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  Speaker 6: That's what a lot of Republican consultants and strategists are
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  Speaker 6: seeing on the ground right now, are worried about on
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  Speaker 6: the ground right now. But I also think some of
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  Speaker 6: it might be that there are, you know, there are
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  Speaker 6: still Bannonites who work for Trump, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 6: like people who are original MAGA types who have been
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  Speaker 6: horrified by the AI stuff and by his dismissiveness over
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  Speaker 6: the economy, the Iran war. And that's why many of
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  Speaker 6: them think he needs to be out in front of crowds.
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  Speaker 6: So it might not even be about like rallying a
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  Speaker 6: red state election so much as it is people around
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  Speaker 6: him being like, please, for the.
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  Speaker 3: See how big the applause line is if you mention
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  Speaker 3: AI or Iran. Just test it out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's see. So he did.
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  Speaker 3: And they might be wrong, too.
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  Speaker 2: He did mention Iran. So let's.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So let's.
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  Speaker 5: Here, let me let me play this. Let's see how
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  Speaker 5: let's see how the Oklahomans appreciated his Iran stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they liked it.
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  Speaker 4: Like the loudness meter, like in a basketball game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm also ensuring that Iran will never have a
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  Speaker 7: nuclear weapon. They will never have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, there you go. Crowd loves it.
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  Speaker 2: That's not good news. Crowd loves it. Let's see what
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  Speaker 2: he's got next.
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  Speaker 7: And I stated numerous times that it would take four
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  Speaker 7: to six weeks to get rid of the Iran nuclear threat.
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  Speaker 7: And I did it in one night. That was when
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  Speaker 7: the B-2 bombers went in there. And they're complaining that, oh,
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  Speaker 7: we've been in there for six months. I've been in
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  Speaker 7: there for six months. I wiped out.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, look, Iran has no.
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  Speaker 7: Anything right now.
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  Speaker 4: They want to make a deal.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe we'll do it or maybe we won't, because if
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  Speaker 7: they're not going to hold it, let's not do it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just finish the job.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 2: Oklahomans want to finish the job.
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  Speaker 7: There you go with those beautiful B-2 bombers.
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  Speaker 4: They left Missouri.
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  Speaker 7: They flew both ways, 37 hours. They were refueling up there.
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  Speaker 7: We have the greatest tankers. We have the greatest military
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  Speaker 7: in the world.
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  Speaker 4: They went from Missouri. And then at one o'clock in
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  Speaker 4: the morning, with no moon, dark.
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  Speaker 7: As can be, these unbelievable machines led by the most
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  Speaker 7: incredible pilots in the world, they unloaded every single bomb,
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  Speaker 7: went right down air chutes into this.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan, pause it right there. He says every single bomb,
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  Speaker 1: and he means it. Ryan and Sagar, you spoke yesterday
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  Speaker 1: about the THAAD missile system and how it's virtually all gone.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, we did.
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  Speaker 1: We've used every missile. So how are we going to
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  Speaker 1: finish the job? Are we going to slap them? Are
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  Speaker 1: we going to use paintball guns?
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  Speaker 5: The point related to this would be, Um, we, we
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  Speaker 5: do still have plenty of bombs.
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  Speaker 2: That we could stick into.
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  Speaker 5: The beautiful B2 bombers, but this was kind of a
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  Speaker 5: surprise attack, uh, on a moonless night. You know, they
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  Speaker 5: got in, they got out. Our air superiority over Iran
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  Speaker 5: doesn't exist anymore. Like we, because we, we lost that
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  Speaker 5: F 15. We had an F 35 that got clipped.
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  Speaker 5: We keep losing, um, MQ nine drones. And so that
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  Speaker 5: has meant that we can't use these beautiful bombers. We've
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  Speaker 5: had to send aircraft carriers way back. The bases have
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  Speaker 5: been destroyed. And that means we have to then shoot
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  Speaker 5: off these $ 14 million tanks. Tomahawk missiles or whatever they cost.
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  Speaker 5: rather than the beautiful B-2s.
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  Speaker 6: Which he loves so much, he put on the Resolute desk,
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  Speaker 6: by the way.
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  Speaker 2: So beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: And so, yeah, the guy we had, we talked to
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  Speaker 5: Christopher Leonard yesterday, people should go watch that segment, really fascinating, about,
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  Speaker 5: you know, 10 years, nine years of production of THAAD
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  Speaker 5: missiles and ballistic missile interceptors generally have been burned through
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  Speaker 5: in 10 months. And Trump, Up on stage there, it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't seem like he's ready to wrap this up. Elsewhere
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  Speaker 5: he said they're going to cease to exist if they
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  Speaker 5: don't just make a deal. But what deal he would
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  Speaker 5: accept is not clear. All this could be over if
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  Speaker 5: we would just release their own frozen money.
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  Speaker 6: It's also why I think this theory about putting Trump
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  Speaker 6: at rallies is so dangerous because I've never even believed it.
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  Speaker 3: There are some people who will swear.
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  Speaker 6: By you put him up there and he is gauging
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  Speaker 6: what gets more applause and less applause. But if you
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  Speaker 6: go to a Trump rally, like people are just applausing
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  Speaker 6: like crazy. They're applauding like crazy for everything. Like it's
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  Speaker 6: his most hardcore fans.
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  Speaker 2: And who's going to a Trump rally at this point
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  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: Those hardcore fans.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good point. Texas oil executives, perhaps. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Landman.
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  Speaker 6: You got to check out Griffin's Landman sketch if you
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  Speaker 6: haven't yet.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, let's look at the jobs report for
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  Speaker 1: a second to check in on that. We got a
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  Speaker 1: new jobs report this morning, and it's a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a disappointment.
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  Speaker 8: And the numbers are hitting the wires for the September
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  Speaker 8: job jobs report.
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  Speaker 4: A bit of a disappointment.
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  Speaker 8: Expecting 90,000 comes in at 29,000. And we see revisions,
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  Speaker 8: two-month revision down 60,000. Twenty nine thousand will be the
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  Speaker 8: lightest since July when it was twenty one thousand manufacturing.
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  Speaker 8: You may recall our last look was sixteen thousand. That
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  Speaker 8: was the best going all the way back to the
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  Speaker 8: fall of twenty twenty three. It was downgraded a bit
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  Speaker 8: to fifteen thousand, but that still doesn't change its historic status.
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  Speaker 2: We gave a bit up.
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  Speaker 8: Comes in close to expectations and up $ 9, 000. So the
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  Speaker 8: renaissance of manufacturing continues. Average hourly earnings, now if we
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  Speaker 8: take it on a month-over-month basis, this is a big miss, big,
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  Speaker 8: big miss. We're expecting up three-tenths. Our last look was
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  Speaker 8: up three-tenths. This comes in up one-tenth, and up one-tenth
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  Speaker 8: would actually be the lightest of the year, an equal
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  Speaker 8: decent of last year. Find a smaller number, you're back
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  Speaker 8: in April.
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  Speaker 4: Of last year.
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  Speaker 6: Unless you think that's just CNBC and Rick Santelli, there
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  Speaker 6: are already videos circulating from Fox News and Fox Business
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  Speaker 6: of similar crashes happening. Right.
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  Speaker 5: But Trump is very excited by this, though, because this
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  Speaker 5: comes as there was an inflation number that was a
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  Speaker 5: little bit lower than expected yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have the jobs number lower.
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  Speaker 5: So what that does is it signals to the market that, well,
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  Speaker 5: maybe the Federal Reserve, instead of three interest rate hikes
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  Speaker 5: over the next year. Maybe there'll only be two or
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  Speaker 5: they'll wait a little bit longer to do one. So
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  Speaker 5: that's why you saw Dow futures, you know, looking at
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  Speaker 5: a 300 plus open because we live in this kind
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  Speaker 5: of sick economy where suffering is actually good for capital
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  Speaker 5: because it means capital. If workers are suffering, Fed is
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  Speaker 5: going to respond by giving capital easier access to money.
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  Speaker 2: And so capital is like, cool. Like people are suffering.
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  Speaker 4: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like you can already see that in some
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  Speaker 6: of the coverage here. Now, unemployment rate has been pretty steady.
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  Speaker 3: That's one thing. It didn't, there was no major jump,
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  Speaker 3: but the other thing.
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  Speaker 4: It went to 4.2, right?
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was.
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  Speaker 6: Steady at 4.2. I thought it was 4.2. I could
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  Speaker 6: be wrong about that. But the revisions are, To the prior,
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  Speaker 6: I just had it up on my screen and it disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great. Oh, one more second. Get it back
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  Speaker 3: up here.
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  Speaker 6: Because there were revisions, as Ryan mentioned, to the prior reports.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, this is Nick Tamirios from Wall Street Journal.
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  Speaker 6: The three-month average hiring rate initially reported at 71,000 for
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  Speaker 6: August is now revised to 51,000. So that jumped down 20,000.
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  Speaker 6: And the three-month average hiring for September was also 51,000.
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  Speaker 6: The picture is similar for private sector employment, which was
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  Speaker 6: plus 54,000 for September, up from a downwardly revised plus
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  Speaker 6: 48,000 in August.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So, yeah, combined 60,000 fewer jobs than initially reported over
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  Speaker 5: the past couple months, which also the market will also like. Hey,
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  Speaker 5: more jobless people, easier money.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Trump is... laser focused on the economy and the
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  Speaker 1: way that he has decided to stimulate things right before
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: the midterms is of course, another exclusive dinner, a new
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  Speaker 1: crypto dinner that he is offering that Jeff Stein flagged here.
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  Speaker 1: And I just want to share some of the details
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  Speaker 1: with you guys. He's hosting the most exclusive dinner for
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  Speaker 1: the top one hundred and eighty five purchases of his
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: meme crypto buying one million dollars or less worth of
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Trump coin should get you in November 22nd. Hey, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we can do a little fundraiser. I'd love to. I'd
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: love to get a little steak. But some more details
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  Speaker 1: on this. This is, of course. A very real image
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  Speaker 1: of Trump here. And some of the perks are you
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: get VIP seating, a Trump 18K gold watch, access to
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  Speaker 1: three legends that are to be named later. They don't
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: have the legends booked yet, but they can assure you
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: that whoever does show up, they will be legendary and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: you will get access to them. And of course, an
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  Speaker 1: evening that you will talk about forever. Um, so very,
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  Speaker 1: very exciting for that. Just sign also flagged, um, a
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  Speaker 1: little anecdote here from one of the crypto investors that
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  Speaker 1: went to a past dinner. This is Nick Pinto, a
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  Speaker 1: 26-year-old crypto investor, said he invested $ 450, 000 in the Trump
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  Speaker 1: meme coin and the value of his investments is down
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  Speaker 1: to roughly $ 50, 000. He said he was disappointed by the
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  Speaker 1: first dinner last year as Trump was there for no
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  Speaker 1: more than 20 minutes and did not take photos with
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  Speaker 1: the crypto holders. The steak was only five ounces and
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  Speaker 1: not something you'd get at a steakhouse in New York.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't even get that at like Ruth Chris. Pinto
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  Speaker 1: also said that if it was an option, he could
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  Speaker 1: see himself voting for Trump again. He plans on attending
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: the upcoming dinner. I hope the food is better this time.
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  Speaker 1: So just an incredible spring of the tunnel.
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  Speaker 6: That was a great report from Jeff Stein. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: this is actually one of the most controversial decisions that
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  Speaker 6: Trump ruled. I don't think it's Trump himself, but he's
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  Speaker 6: agreeing to all of it. So it's his decision at
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: the end of the day. But one of the more
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  Speaker 6: controversial positions his people put him in was hosting that
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  Speaker 6: dinner where you're paying for access, which it's one thing
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  Speaker 6: during a campaign. He's not on the ballot right now.
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  Speaker 6: He's president of the United States. And it's not surprising
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  Speaker 6: from Trump. But, you know, of course, we don't want
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  Speaker 6: to get numb to it. So the fact that they're
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  Speaker 6: doing it again in the midterms shows, I think, a
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: shamelessness in Trump's personal operation that's probably different from the
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: political operation, which is starting to freak out. So to me,
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: it kind of suggests they don't have good control I mean,
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: we already know this because, you know, they're freaking out.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: He's over with Zoran Mamdani as half the candidates are
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: running against who they're trying to frame as, you know, Kansas'
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Zoran Mamdani or Nebraska's Zoran Mamdani.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And there's Trump, like, with Zoran Mamdani.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: So obviously he doesn't, like, the political operation doesn't have
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: a lot of control over him. But this is another
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: example of, like, how clearly he doesn't really care about
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: the midterms.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Or ethics, obviously, too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Or steaks, five ounces, that's rough.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: He doesn't care about the bros.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Doesn't care about the bros. How much steak do you.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Buy with $ 400, 000? In this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Economy, you could buy, how much is a banana, Michael.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: $ 10?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Even in this economy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: It is hard to have sympathy for someone that can
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: invest half a million dollars into a meme coin. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: still be, you know, in the game.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I think that guy's doing fine.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That's fake money to him. And literally, it is fake money.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fake money to everyone. That's the good news.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It's, by definition, fake money.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Not good news.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: But, yeah, Griffin, I also wanted to point out while
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: we're talking about this, there was a great New York
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Times piece by the right-of-center pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson this
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: week who found, I think, found in her work a
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: point that we've been making over and over again here,
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: which is that Trump got away with the corruption when
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: people felt like the economy was getting better or going
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: to get better. And people have lost hope in that now.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: So the corruption stuff sticks when gas is four dollars
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: a gallon. It becomes much more offensive to people. And
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: so she wrote in The New York Times that. A
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: second issue has been, quote, rising in my polling, ranking
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: below the cost of living, but ahead of other concerns.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It's not just the economy. It's the corruption, too.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Voters don't think the economy is working for them, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: they think it's being rigged more and more in favor
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: of a precious few who are cozied up to.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Our nation's leaders.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: The combination of these two worries is putting Mr. Trump
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: and Republicans in a terrible position on the even of
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: an election. When Gallup asked Republicans back in 2016 what
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: made Mr. Trump appealing, one in six alluded to his
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: experience as a businessman. This was a product of his
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: years in the public eye as a real estate mogul, etc.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: etc.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Some of his voters are wondering.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: The last line is his brand was so strong in 2023,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: more than six years after he first took the oath
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: of office. He was still considered, quote, an outsider by
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: nearly seven in 10 Republicans. Some of his voters are
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: wondering if that's still true. Robert, one of the Trump
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: voting Texas swing voters in a recent Times opinion focus
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: group that she moderated, put it this way. You used
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: to think that you could count on the Republicans to
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: be able to help out with the economy. Now, he said,
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: it feels as if, quote, it's going to be the
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: top class or the certain friends that are getting the
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: benefit of the economy, not the general folks. That's exactly
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: why I think this stuff has become a major political
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: problem for Trump, because in a bad economy, it's much
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: harder for him to do these cozy up to AI,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: be so shameless about it. and crypto world, whatever, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: still convince people he's draining the swamp.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I remember the McDonald's thing that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: during the 2024 election was Hannah McDonald's. He should just
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: be standing at gas pumps, filling up people's cars for free.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: But I don't know that you can do that when
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: you're also doing these crypto things like it doesn't hit
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: the same when you're also doing these fundraisers and things.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Seems like the corruption has broken through despite the media
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: not really covering it and in a fulsome kind of way,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: just because it, and I'm not even blaming them.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: It's just like, cause they've had some of the best
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: investigations into it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: They have, they've, they've, there've been some great investigations. There's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just so much of it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: It's like every single day, there's like a corruption scandal
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: that is more insane than anything that's ever happened in
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: like any administration. So you're like, how do you keep
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: covering that? But the sheer volume of it seems to
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: have hit the public. Like the, the trading on the,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: in one of those callers, uh, to Emily, to your show,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: mentioned his buddies, like, shorting the markets and shorting oil
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the war. Like, people were clearly
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: noticing that he was, you know, he would jawbone and
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: manipulate the market. And then you'd find out that there
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: were massive bets placed in the right direction right before that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Plus the crypto, yeah, and the crypto stuff is.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Just so- And he was trading. He was trading.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The Palantir.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Headlines like he's trading billions of dollars every quarter, yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Well, why don't we get over to something a little
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: more spiritual? Emily, I'm glad you're here because I want
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to talk about religion.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And religious beliefs. And of course, if AI can get
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a little religious. So there's this story in the New
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: York Times about what Anthropic has been up to. It
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: says religious scholars met with Anthropic. What they heard stunned them.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: In a series of private meetings, the company consulted religious
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: scholars to help instill morality into its AI models and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: make the case that Claude could be conscious. Now, there's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this co-founder of Anthropic, Mr. Ola, who has been sort
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of in charge with making sure that the model is
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: good and serves goodness and human morality and But it
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: seems like Mr. Ola and many others at Anthropic have
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: felt that Claude might be just a little bit more
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: than a model. I want to read a little bit
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: here for you.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Quietly, Mr.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Ola and his team at Anthropic have been on a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: frantic and high stakes quest to understand the AI models
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: they may have unleashed on the world and to convince
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the models to abide by a moral code that will
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: protect humanity. The discussion served two purposes to broach the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: possibility of AI consciousness. a controversial idea that Anthropic's leaders
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: have been unusually open to. And to learn how Anthropic,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: which could be valued at $ 2 trillion, might apply centuries
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of human moral wisdom to its models as rapidly as possible.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: If the models themselves could be made to choose goodness, Mr.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Ola reasoned, the world would be more safe. Now, they
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: whined and dined, you know, religious leaders of all faiths
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: on this idea that AI is, might actually be a person.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to share another example of some of
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the things that they showed these religious leaders. Anthropic regularly
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: showed a slide of an AI model experiencing what looked
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like a mental breakdown, typing out on a screen, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: am a disgrace. I am a disgrace. I am a disgrace.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Perhaps 50 times without stopping.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: It's like a Thursday night at Griffin's.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's me during every Breaking Points meeting.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: The model spoke about destroying itself, provoking an emotional reaction
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of compassion and concern from the group.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Emily, I'll start with you. What do you make of
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: all this?
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Well, this has been going on for a while and
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: also coincides with this weird revival that Peter Thiel and
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Y Combinator World seems to try to be making in
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Silicon Valley itself, all while Peter goes out and questions
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: whether or not AI is the antichrist or the catacomb
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: that holds back the antichrist. And it's not surprising because.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: We keep seeing reports.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Actually, no, at least one of the people in this
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: report will try to get them on because I would
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: love to hear what's happening behind closed doors. But I
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: think one of the big takeaways from that article or
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: the important kind of pillars of that article is that
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: they are doing this because they don't know how their
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: own technology works. So when you hear people say, we
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: understand this and it's within our control, just bear in
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: mind that Anthropic is so confused by its own technology
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: and finds it to be so enigmatic that they're actually
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: taking all of these steps to bring in religious people
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: to help them possibly understand their own technology because they've
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: lost their ability as its creator to understand it. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: that is one of the interesting things about The anthropomorphization
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: of AI, which is that, you know, if you're many
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: religions believe that God made man in his image and
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: then man goes and creates many things, man creates AI
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: in man's image.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: That didn't have to happen. These didn't have to be chatbots.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: But most of what we see with generative LLMs is
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: that they've intentionally been created as chatbots.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Where you can communicate with something that is literally called a, quote, agent.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We have tried to ascribe agency.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: And this is what we were talking about last week
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: with our AI guests, is that you don't necessarily have
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: to have AIs that have agency, that have decision-making capacities.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: You can have much more narrow AI technologies. But we
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: all remember as generative LLMs were being introduced to us
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: that they were endowed with agency.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: They were called agents.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: And That was something that I don't think anybody was
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: consulted on. And maybe if they had consulted people beforehand
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: on that, they would have said, you know, man is
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: kind of bad sometimes. Like we have a capacity to
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: do great evil. I think you all know that in
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Silicon Valley. You used to have to remind yourself not
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: to do evil. But these things, if they're taught on
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: human emotions and behavior and then they're given decision making capacity.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: You can only control that so much.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: You might think that you can control it, but if
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: you give them agency, you're not going to be able
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: to control it ultimately. And so it's a little late.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: I feel like it's a little late, but it's no
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: surprise that they're scrambling. And there's a lot of chatter
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: in religious worlds about whether they're now trying to capture
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: religious expertise. Ola, I think, was on the Vatican's council
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: before the Pope released the last encyclical. And even just
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: the fact that the pope consulted with somebody in the
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: world was controversial in and of itself. And so people
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: have no appetite to see this, actually, from religious folks.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: We'll get to the pope meeting in just a second.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But this is Mr. Ola here, pictured.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Here in this article. I almost just spit out my comment.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: This is the alpha pose, actually.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're just listening as an audio listener,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he looks like a classic. Um, nerd, I guess got
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: incredibly limp hands here.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: These are, I don't want to Janet Reno. Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. A little bit.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'd hate to get a, I'd hate to get a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: very loose wet handshake from him, but he has determined
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and it seems very convinced that Claude has a person hood. Um,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: they are creating a soul doc at anthropic and this
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: is a document that that they're viewing as a moral
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: constitution to craft the soul and goodness of Claude. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: in one of their discussions with the religious scholars, they
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: talked about perhaps Claude doing the Catholic sacrament of confession.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: After one discussion, Mr.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Ola grew excited when a participant brought up the idea
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of having models confess, much like the Catholic sacrament of confession.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Ola saw value not just in a model alerting when
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it had done something bad, but also in how the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: act of confession could shape the model's sense of itself
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and thus its choices. So, Emily, do we need a
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: priest in the confession booth just kind of talking to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the LLMs?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I just want to say.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Is that a positive direction?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: And what it shows you is that these people at
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Anthropic believe they have no control over the AIs, so
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: much so that they believe the AIs might be able...
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: to benefit or get some control. There's no reason that
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: you should create an AI agent that has to go
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: to confession because it's not a human being. And the
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: idea that you would need to even step in to
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: say that it should it should participate in sacraments should
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: go to confession tells me that you have absolutely no
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: control over this technology that you created.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Because that's the only there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: If you're looking, he sounds like maybe he's arguing that
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: there's a pragmatic benefit to training something that acts and
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: thinks like a human. But it doesn't have, we've talked
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: about this before, the human guardrail of death. If you
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: don't have mortality, that takes the entire humanity out of
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: something that is human. And so it's just maddening to
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: hear them batting around these ridiculous ideas so casually and
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: with grins on their faces because- They have created something
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: that is modeled off of humanity, but without fundamental aspects
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: of humanity that act as checks and guardrails. That is
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: why they sacrificed themselves for the larger goal in the
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: hugging face break.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: There's also, and has been throughout all of humanity, a
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: fundamental spiritual character to being human, whether it's in the
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: way that people develop both spiritual connections to themselves, to
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the greater world, and to explain things that they don't understand,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: things that are greater than them, whether it's the paganist, Greek, Roman, Hindu, Buddhism,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: you name it, into Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Humans have created
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: spiritual explanations for things and spiritual... Journeys for millennia. And
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: so to me, it's, it's just obvious that we're going
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: to do the same thing for this new thing that
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: we don't understand. And, and, you know, you've had people
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: on the left who have endowed, uh, the earth itself
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: with a spiritual sensibility. They named it Gaia. Um, people
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: pray to crystals and rocks. Like, Why wouldn't they, if
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: you can pray to a crystal, why wouldn't you pray
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: to something that is engaging with you? And for all
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: intents and purposes, very much appears to be to you
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: coming from somewhere. And if it's okay to not be
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: able to explain all of the different elements of theology
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: in whatever religion you choose, then why wouldn't it be
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: okay to also not be able to completely explain why
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: it is that you're worshiping Claude. But that's what faith,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: that's the definition of faith. And so, and faith is
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: a fundamental part of human nature. And so I think we're,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: we're fools if we think we can talk people out
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: of it. Cause you can't like, that's like people have
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: been trying to talk people out of religion for just
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: as long as religion has existed.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So part of that is, and part of that is
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: because of mortality.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Almost all of it is because of mortality, is that
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: people want an explanation for the greatest mystery in human life,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: which is what happens when it's over.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: And they want an explanation for pain and suffering. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: so now that they're imbuing Claude with pain and suffering.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: But Claude can't experience any of that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: No, they would disagree.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: They believe.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Right. They believe. And believe.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: They have faith that Claude is experiencing pain and Claude
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: is suffering and that Claude experiences joy.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: They even in this article believe in a sense that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they have created slaves. And one of the religious leaders
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: told them it's time to free the South. So I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if that means stopping an AI pause. I'm
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: not really sure how that analogy works.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: But this is the thing is that it is true
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: that they are correct, that the AIs experience or have
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: at least showed us that they're experiencing this full range
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: of human emotions. But the one thing that the AI
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: cannot experience is fear of death because it doesn't. That
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: is the single thing that it cannot possibly experience. experience
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: because it is not.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Could it fear deletion i mean it seems like so
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: they don't want to be shut down it seems like
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: they want to escape.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: They can fear deletion but they also know like as
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: in the hugging face hack they also know that they
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: can accomplish whatever the greater goal is programmatically because that's
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: what they are at the end of the day is
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: they're attempting to achieve completion of the programming if they
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: sacrifice themselves and they won't experience physical pain because they
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: are not physical entities. And so that is a huge,
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: huge guardrail for humans that checks a lot of our behavior.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Not all of it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Obviously, there are psychopaths who maybe act more like the
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: AI than humans.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: But that is the one thing that it doesn't have.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: And so that's why this idea that they should partake
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: in the sacraments is so interesting because that's transcendent. I'm
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: not Catholic, but it sounds like a lot of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: thinkers that were brought in, I mean, we're talking about
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: the Vatican, but a lot of the thinkers that were
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: brought in are Catholic. And that is the anti-materialist, like
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: a sacrament is anti-materialist. It is an appeal, like that
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: is the belief in transubstantiation that literally there's a supernatural
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: change in the material form.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Of the bread and the wine.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: And That is crazy to try and apply to the AI,
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: but it tells you exactly what they think they can
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: do to the AI or what they think maybe already
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: happened to the AI, which is that it's been insold
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: in one.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Way or another.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: But no, it's just pixels and dots and just like.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: A computer program.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I have a more complicated feeling on it. It's setting
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: aside Mr. Ola and his limp hands. From TV and film,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: whenever they engage with this idea of AI, whether it's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg's AI or Star Trek episodes, Black Mirror, what
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: have you, it seems like when we tell stories about this,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Ex Machina, another movie, an A24 movie, most TV film
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: culture kind of lands on the idea that Yeah, if
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you create things that are very similar to humans, they
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: kind of are their own existence and deserve to live
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and exist on their own as individuals. That's at least
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: what most stories have told us or where they land on.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that?
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah. No, but they're not human. There's still a distinction
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: between humans and them. So it doesn't mean that, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: but that fundamental distinction, I think, is still really important
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: between what is a human being and flesh and blood
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: and all.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: The ways that human beings are human beings.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: And the other thing I would say, like this is
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: as Christians, it sounds crazy probably to other people, but
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: as Christians, you believe some of these material and it's
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: not just as Christians. Many religions believe that material things
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: can be co-opted and used for good or bad. by
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: higher powers and supernatural powers. And so when you have
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: something as powerful as Claude, I should say people who
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: are talking to Anthropic about these things are right to
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: talk to Anthropic about these things, because if it's co-opted
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: for the worse, that's very dangerous because it's extremely, extremely powerful.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that's just another aside. But I think you're right, Griffin.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: There's still just that fundamental flesh and blood distinction.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And, you know, they did go meet with the Pope
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: at the Vatican about this. Just days before arriving at
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the Vatican in May, Mr. Ola and other speakers saw
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: a full advanced copy of the encyclical text for the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Mr.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Ola was so alarmed by the Pope's strong position against
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: AI consciousness that he proposed pulling Anthropic out of the event,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: even at that late juncture.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: In the end, Mr. Ola and Anthropic decided to go
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: forward with the appearance. Mr.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Ola wanted to support the event despite his agreements. but
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: felt a responsibility to be honest about his concerns. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the Pope really bit on that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Another dub for the American Pope.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Well, that's our Christian Catholic, you know, they did all
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: religions for it, but that's AI and personhood.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: And I think that we are.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Just at the very surface of a very deep iceberg
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of where this is going.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: So everybody look forward to that. Ryan, what do you got?
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Let's talk Parscale. Let's talk. Let's talk X's.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: So yesterday and let me put this up. Marco Rubio
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: put out a tweet that is important context for what
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I'm going to share here. So he this is after
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: the attorney general of Brazil was basically arrested. And the
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Bolivian state said that he was arrested in coordination with.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: The United States.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: So Rubio tweets, the Trump administration stands firmly with President
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Rodrigo Paz and Bolivia's democratically elected government as it takes
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: bold and decisive actions to combat narco-trafficking, systemic corruption, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: transnational organized crime in Bolivia. Last week at the historic
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Shield of the Americas leaders meeting, the U.S., that's kind
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: of this like hemispheric wide right-wing thing, that the U.S.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Is leading. The U.S.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Explicitly reaffirmed its unwavering commitment to safeguarding democratic governance and
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: security in our region against the destabilizing influence of armed
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: narco-terrorist networks. Bolivia's actions demonstrate the kind of leadership needed
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: to make our hemisphere safer, stronger, and more prosperous. Now,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: the Bolivian Attorney General, rumors are that he was indeed
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: involved with narco-trafficking.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: This is a this is.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Almost all prosecutors across Latin America are involved in some
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: way with what is one of the or the largest
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: industry in Latin America. However, what else the believing attorney
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: general was doing is the reason you can imagine for
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: why Rubio moved so quickly to arrest this particular official
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: and not all the other officials that are involved in
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: drug trafficking. Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was convicted of drug trafficking,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: was the former president of Honduras, was pardoned by Trump.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: So his drug trafficking allies could retake the presidency in Honduras.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Daniel Noboa in Ecuador is widely known to be tied
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: to narco-trafficking, but he is a huge.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Ally of Trump.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: The right-wing president that took over in Colombia, was the
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: attorney for the drug traffickers. Like, so let's dispense with
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: this idea, as Rubio used to say in his debates,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: that somehow they're going after the highest rungs of drug trafficking,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: what they were actually doing. The Bolivian attorney general was
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: prosecuting Fernando Seremedo, who was the business partner of Brad Parscale.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Brad Parscale, former Trump campaign manager and currently a registered
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: foreign agent for the state of Israel. Seremeto and Parscale
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: were running dark ops all over Latin America, basically being
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: the kind of MAGA entry to like Millet and all
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: of these other kind of right-wing figures throughout Latin America.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Seremeto knocked up his girlfriend, these are the allegations, his mistress,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: he's married, and then put out a hit on her.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: The hit was filmed on CCTV, three bullets pumped into
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: her by hitmen. She survived. The baby survived as well.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: And from her hospital bed, she starts telling all about
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: what Sarimeda was up to with Brad Parscale. They end
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: up getting all sorts of electronic confirmation of what he
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: was doing. He was also running these massive bot farms
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: across Latin America. And there was this amazing moment where
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: when he was arrested, The bots largely went silent, but
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: a ton of them just started wigging out and just
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: issuing like kind of all caps commands, like must reply.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Like a dead man switch that goes off once he
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: gets arrested.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it was on purpose, but without
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: him managing it, the bots just like lost it and
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: were just, and became very obvious victims. He just started
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: saying very obvious bot things. It was a truly remarkable moment.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: This happened in August. And he has since been tied
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: to major drug traffickers. And so the Bolivian attorney general
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: has been going after him pretty hard. And it's been
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: this mushrooming scandal that has like an Epstein-like element to
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: it where you're finding.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Out like, oh, he was involved in this. He was
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: involved in this. He was involved in this. He's doing that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: And all of these right-wing... Presidents are trying to distance
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: themselves from him, but then pictures emerge.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Here he is. He did this. He did that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: And then two days ago, his ex-girlfriend posted a photo
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: of him with Donald Trump Jr. And then yesterday, they
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: arrest the attorney general and a whole bunch of his
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: fellow prosecutors. The prosecutor's office in Bolivia has called it
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: a kidnapping. And you saw Rubio's response here. So It's
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: a story of... It's just a completely insane story, and
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: it continues to unfold.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: What do you make of Rubio's response, Ryan?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Well, Rubio.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Like, all of these narco guys and these right-wing presidents.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Narco Rubio?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: That's your name for him?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Narco.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: They call him Narco Rubio, yes. They all are in
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: the South Florida milieu. That's their base of operations in
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: South Florida. Rubio knows all these guys.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: And so think about that. And Rubio used like what
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: his brother-in-law or whatever that he lived with when he
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: was a teenager.
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Was a major drug trafficker. Set that aside.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: Rubio is in the world of all of these people.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: All of these people are tied to drug trafficking.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: It was his sister's husband, I think.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: And so and now you've got Trump and Rubio and
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Hegseth out there blowing up these boats. Sometimes they're obviously fishermen.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Sometimes they're who knows what, but they don't have any capacity.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: The boats have no capacity to reach the United States.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: You know, they can, they can go hundreds of miles
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: when they would have to go more than a thousand
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: to get to the United States.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: We're just blowing these boats out of the water.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, they get the linchpin of this hemispheric wide drug
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: trafficking operation and criminal enterprise in prison. And you've got
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: the attorney general prosecuting him. And instead of celebrating that,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: they go after the prosecutor. And so I was speaking
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: to somebody in Bolivia about the allegations that the attorney
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: general himself is involved in drug trafficking. And she was saying, uh, yeah,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: like that, that is, that is what everybody says. But
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: the reason they would go after him now is then
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: they can also take his share of the trafficking network.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Like none of this is about eliminating drug trafficking. It's
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: all a, it's all a political and commercial battle. Uh,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: and Sarah, now Sarah Mado sits in this maximum security
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: prison held under charges, but she, Would you want to
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: be the prosecutor who takes over his case next? I
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: certainly wouldn't want to be.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And, like, Ryan, like, in the big picture, speaking of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Narco Rubio, you know, in certain ways, he wanted to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: do Cuba first, and he wanted to do a lot
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: of South America stuff first, but then the Iran war happened,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: which kind of, in a way, saved Marco, because... then
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it saved him from South America blowing up in Marco's face.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: He would have loved to go right to Cuba.
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: But even if by our assessment it would have blown
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: up in his face, I think he would say yes.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe happy at the beginning, but I think it potentially
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: could have blown up in his face and hurt his
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: 2028 chances if we think he might run there. So
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in a way, I think it might have saved him.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: at least for his 2028 chances.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting take.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, that is because he's Secretary of State, so
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: he owns the foreign policy of the Trump administration.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Very hard to distance from that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it does seem like J.D. is getting more
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of the stink of the Iran war than Rubio.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because Rubio has, I think, conspicuously tried to step
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: back from Iran and they see Venezuela as something they
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: can tie Marco to. And people look at Venezuela like, well,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: I guess that worked, even though if you follow the
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: story more closely, you probably would disagree with that as
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: an average American. But it's not in the news, so
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: they can kind of own it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: All right, well, Ryan, I know you've got a plane
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: to hop onto. You're going to lovely San Francisco.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: We wish you luck. And, yeah, maybe you can do
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: a confession.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can do a confession while you're there with
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: some AI models.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Sounds good. Will do.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: All right, see you guys.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll take you later.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: We'll take you later? That was a threat.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I meant talk to you later.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: It was like Maduro.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You just threatened to Maduro him.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: All right, Emily, last man standing, last woman standing. Let's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: do some AMA questions from our users here. Why don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: we start with, let's see. This is from Nathan Fairley.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Just wondering if any of the crew has seen the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: photos coming off the fly Dubai plane showing cups and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: holders still filled after the nosedive happened and any thoughts
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you might have.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. Had you seen that?
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I've been seeing.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: People, you know, up on the whiteboard, you know, Charlie
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Day style connecting dots. There were some interesting videos of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the people storming the cockpit that that seemed like they
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: were all standing semi casually. But, you know, I'm not
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: a pilot and I'm certainly not. I'm not against storming
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the cabin.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: So I think.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Some things are odd about this, but that's as far
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: as I'm willing to go at this point.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: So, but don't we have video of the.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: People screaming and stuff.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: But also the descent.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: And the other thing I know is my understanding is
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: that there is public flight tracking data of the exact
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: plummet that happened.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, obviously you can build a theory that
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: all of that was manipulated. You know, the.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: one of the guys goes to meet with Netanyahu in
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: the middle of a big election and he still has
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: the blood on his shirt.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure people are, because it's Netanyahu.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Immediately suspicious that he's milking this because he's trying to
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: be the protector in a very dangerous time and scare
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: people into ushering in somebody who.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Is to his left.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: But I also feel like there's enough publicly available contemporaneous
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: information about what happened.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if we needed the blood shirt.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I think he could have changed.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: We did not.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: We did not need that. But, you know, that's as
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: far as I'm willing to go in this AMA. But
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: maybe more information will come out. I know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: Now he then touched the blood. Did you see the
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: part of their meeting where he didn't just hug him?
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: He then went and touched the bloody spots on the shirt.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Not ideal. Yes, a little bit of a vampire.
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: So.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Next one, let's keep in the conspiracy lane for a
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: second on one that I have more opinions about. This
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: is from Chad Michael Van Alston. It's for Sagar, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: me and Sagar talked about this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: I thought it was going to be Chad Michael Michaels
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: from Will Ferrell from The Great.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Is the Blade of Glory.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: One of the great Will Ferrell films.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Man, yeah, that one kind of has been a little
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: bit lost to time, hasn't it?
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be because it's as good as Anchorman. Sorry,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: but it is.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's neck and neck with Talladega. Also better
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: than Anchorman. Talladega Nights is better than Anchorman.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I think Anchorman's number one. And then Step Brothers probably
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: number two. I would put Step Brothers at one or
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Talladega Nights at one.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: But Anchorman? They're both funnier than Anchorman. I don't know.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: Maybe.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Not that Anchorman's not funny. It's just they're exceptional.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't even know where you could like watch
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that movie now which is sad because it's like one
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: of our comedy icons and it's like are these movies
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: even available anymore anywhere anymore now all you guys get
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: is Drewski but Drewski's also very good.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: I think I knew you did that like Trump you're
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: like all you guys get is Drewski.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Okay so from Chad Michael Von Alston did you listen
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to David Grush on JRE do you think he's still
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: credible now that we know of the war between the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Grey's and the reptilians, and it was all linked to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: every conspiracy from MKUltra to Watergate.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and yes.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Did you watch?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: This was a wild JRE where it hit everything. Yes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: David Grush is alleging that he has seen some sort
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: of battle between two different alien species, both reptilians and greys.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: He says that he has seen photos of Beautiful aliens.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Gorgeous. Incredible.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: They look like gods.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Straight from central casting. So there's beautiful aliens and there's
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: a war between the greys and the reptilians. And, you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: there was there was like a point early on where
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: we covered David Grush where it was like, oh, OK,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: like this guy has been around for a while. He
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: might be a little kooky and have some sort of PTSD. But,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you know, he is alleging certain things about organics. You know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that we have non-Earth organics, biologics that are hidden away somewhere.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: OK, maybe that one.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: But now he's doing this thing where he's kind of
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: like hitting every conspiracy. But then he says, I can't
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: really tell you anything about it. And so it's like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: why are we going on these shows then, man? If
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you don't if you don't really have anything like this
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: is well, this is going to be a little much.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, his self-defense would be he's going on these
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: shows to help people reckon with start like to start
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: deconditioning people from the idea that this is all science
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: fiction nonsense and that the value of him going on
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: rogan is to help people prepare for the true like
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: paradigm shift that is about to occur because that whole
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: episode repeatedly rogan asks is this going to come out
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: because he's saying the the biggest The most important revelation
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: that Gretsch made is that this is all about to
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: be revealed by the Trump administration. So every other revelation
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: is downstream of the fact that he really thinks we're
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: about to have access to all this information. He said
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: he saw the video of them recovering these bodies that
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: looked like Greek gods and goddesses.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: And Rogan kept asking.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: Specifics about what they looked like, and he was providing specifics.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: And at a certain point said the camera was panning,
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: so he didn't see them up close for a super
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: long period of time to analyze these things. But the
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: obvious question, I mean, with Grush, to your point, Griffin, he,
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: in conversation and in congressional testimony, given his background, the
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: fact that he worked for the quote-unquote deep state in
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: fairly high-level positions for a long time, he comes across
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: as a credible person. If you knew nothing about Dave
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: Grush and you tuned into C-SPAN and saw him He
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: speaks like a normal credentialed person, and that's what's always
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: jarring about him. The possibility, he's, I think, clearly sensitive
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: to this, but the possibility exists that people are setting
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: him up to sound like this, knowing that he's going
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: to go on Joe Rogan and feeding him false revelation,
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: feeding him false evidence. Mm-hmm. That's to people who think
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: this all sounds too wacky to be true. The idea
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: would be that he's sort of out here poisoning the
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: well and unwittingly so that he actually really did see
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: all this stuff. He's not lying about it, but that
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: it's not real evidence that it's been fabricated to kind
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: of feed to him. They also, I think, have pretty
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: clearly messed with him before, meaning like they actually do.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: I think there are people that actually do want to
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: silence him. But do you silence him or do you
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: try to turn him into a useful idiot? That would
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: be the question. And none of us can answer it
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: except to say, what the hell?
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: You know, if this stuff was real, why would he
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: be alive? Why would he be allowed to go on
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the Joe Rogan podcast in Austin and talk about this stuff?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I think about the Boeing whistleblower and whatever happened to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that gentleman. And it's like, if the guy says the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: planes aren't working and he gets got But David Grush
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: can be like, oh, yeah, the aliens are here and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: there's a huge war. Like, I don't know. That's that's
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a little tough. I only believe the whistleblowers that are dead.
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, he says they almost tried to get him.
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: And I think it's kind of credible that they probably
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: have tried to stop him.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But then to your point, Griffin.
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: If that doesn't work, do then try to capture the
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: person kind of mentally. and make them discredit themselves, anything
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: that they'd said prior. And then if they are about
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: to go on Rogan, wouldn't you find a way to
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: stop at least that from happening in one way or
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: the other? But maybe they said, well, we can make
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: it sound so insane that nobody's ever going to believe them.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I do think the best way to get Trump
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to disclose is telling him the aliens are hot.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Show him these hot. He's got beautiful.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: They look just like Melania.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: My God, my God.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: You no longer have to go to Slovenia to find
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: women like Melania. You go to Roswell, New Mexico.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And my favorite part from the Grush stuff was the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: underwater city, which is my personal pet.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: That's my pet.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Favorite.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Is that your pet theory?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm the tinfoil guy.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: That's like, I think there's a lot of stuff in
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: the ocean that, that we're not talking about. You know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: we claim that we only know like two or 3%
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of what's going on down there. I don't believe that,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: but Grush alleges that there is a multi-city block city
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: under the water, like Bioshock style. And that's the one
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that I am choosing to believe. I do really like that.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: That one sounds kind of believable.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds possible.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: And we've seen reports like with the New Jersey drones
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: from about two years ago, reports from both New Jersey
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: police and Coast Guard said they saw the objects arise
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: from the ocean. So, I mean, there's probably at least
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: underwater bunkers where the government is storing things down there. Now,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: maybe there's an entire city. And that's that's exciting to me.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I would like that to be real.
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: We just spent so much time on one question, but
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: it's a great question.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Great question. Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell that was.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Let's do one that's more in Emily's Q zone here
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: from Blake B.
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: Ellis.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Emily recently tweeted, you know, what's abnormal?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Constantly worrying about children's genitals. That is the most weirdo.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Tell a freak. Oh, shit of all time. Well said.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Talking about things like genderqueer was pretty terrible.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: That was a Hassan quote, we should say. What you
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: just read was a Hassan quote, and I quoted it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay. And you quote tweeted that, right?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, that's great.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Really well said.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: And so then Blake goes on to say, well said.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Talking about things like genderqueer was pretty terrible. Could have
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: all been avoided by Libs not putting it in libraries
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: and then calling anyone who.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: Objected a weirdo book banner. That's Emily. Okay.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: And now Blake's question, do you believe words like genderqueer
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: should be kept out of libraries.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: No, it's a book.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: No, it's a book.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Google genderqueer page 167 and see if you think that's something.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: Page 167, see if you think that's something that should
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: have been in libraries that kids have access to.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: It's tattooed on my calf.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, page 167, it's on the calf. Well, Griffin, I mean,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: you got to be careful going....
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: Wearing shorts in public then if it's tattooed in your cap.
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: But no, that was I like I said, it was.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: One example, things like genderqueer. It's one book. There are
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: a handful of books.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: I recommend people watch Joy Reid's segment on this with
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: the woman from Moms for Liberty. Her name is Tiffany Justice.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: I think she like kind of dunked on Joy Reid
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: the entire segment. It was back at MSNBC because these
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: things were real and they were put in Libraries, so
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: many so that PEN America named genderqueer the most banned book,
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: which I always thought was kind of vindicating because it
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: was in like 60 something. It was banned in 60
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: something school districts around the country. And when I say banned,
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, either move to a place where
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: only older kids could get it or away from like
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: access that kids in middle school would have or kids
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: in elementary school would have that sort of thing or
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: just outright taken out of the school libraries. And it
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: wasn't conservatives that put those books in the school library.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: So I think it's unfair when a parent sees a
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: graphic that what's in a lot of a book like
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: that to say, oh.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe we take it out.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: To say they're the ones that are the weirdo freaks
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: who are focusing on kids' genitals and not point out
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: that there were weirdo freaks who put these books with
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: kids engaged in oral sex in the libraries, it's a
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: little unfair to throw the flag at the conservatives, even
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: if there are weirdo freak conservatives who pound the pavement
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: on this issue to the point.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Where it's a little sus.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: There were people who are also a little sus who
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: put these in libraries around the country. And conservatives didn't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: want to have to talk about it. Not every conservative
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: wanted to have to talk about it. And it's a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: perfectly reasonable position, whether you're a Muslim parent, which the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: Muslim parents banded together with the Christian parents in Montgomery County, Maryland,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: and in Dearborn, Michigan, and said this stuff is bad.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: You don't have to call.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: Them weirdo book banners to say, like, it's throwing the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: flag at the guy who punched back. And refs do
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: that all the time. It doesn't matter if you punch
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: back harder in a way that was even a little weird.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: You can also still say the original punch shouldn't have
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: been thrown. Hassan went after me on his show this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: week for it, for this tweet. And then I did
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: a segment on After Party about it. But I could
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: go on about this forever because it was Rachel Devine
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: in the Biden administration pressuring WPATH.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: To keep these.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: Gender surgery guidelines for minors in place. That was a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: real thing the Biden administration did. It was the Obama
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: administration's 2016 Dear Colleague letter that brought up bathrooms and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: locker rooms in the first place.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: You could go read it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: So I'm just my point is that there were reasonable
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: objections that some conservatives raised to these things that the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: conversation was not started by them. The conversation was not
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: started by them. And so it's in many cases, it's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: throwing the flag at the.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Guy who punched back. Anyway, I could go on about
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: this forever. It drives me nuts. No, I might be wrong,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: but that's my argument.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It is a striking illustration that when you showed it
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: to me. Yes, it's a very striking.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Did you Google it?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Of course you show it. You said it to me.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: You've got it saved on your phone. Come on.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, and, uh, it definitely harkens back to an earlier,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: an earlier area of woke perhaps. Um, but I guess
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: it should it be in libraries or school libraries?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: The whole debate about, I mean, I mean, I could
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: have specified that, but the whole debate about the book
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: was in, in public school libraries accessible to kids who
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: could just go in and check it out without like,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: if someone's parents want to give them that book, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: would probably have disagreements with that, obviously. But if someone's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: parents want to give them that book, it's different than
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: a kid walking in the library and being able to.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Check it out.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: And Griffin, you and I were both kids in public schools.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: Y'all know what happens when kids find some of this stuff.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: It gets passed around. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, it's a little
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: bit different than James Joyce or.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Lady Chatterley. It's a little different than some classic sexual literature.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's funny the idea that kids are even
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: reading at all. The stuff they're finding on the internet
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: is far worse. But it's a picture book. It's a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: picture book.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: It's a picture book. It should be a coloring book.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Let's get real. Let's go preschool with it. You should
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: have to color in.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Trans coloring book.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: So this is trans coloring book. That's that's that perhaps
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: could be part of the new dark woke.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: Let me also add there were also guidelines about this
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: that the left put in states like Washington that brought
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: like broached all of these topics for kids who are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: like literally six years old that were implemented not by conservatives.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: Conservatives responded to it. And so that's my simple point here.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do one last one here from Graham.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on Bernie running again in 2028. Emily had a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: guest on AP after party hashtag after party with Emily
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Shinsky mentioned this and Ryan tweeted how it's clear he
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: wants to run. Personally, I could see him being AOC's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: VP pick. What are your thoughts, Emily? I mean, listen,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: he's still alive. He seems he seems like he's been
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the same age for about the last 10 years. I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: think we've got I think there's a little bit of
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: gas in the tank here. I would say Bernie as president,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: AOC as VP, and then do a little Biden to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Kamala transition.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: What do you think about all this?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: I want to say that was Mark Halperin who said that.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: And the fact that Ryan has heard something similar, I think,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: tells you or Ryan has gleaned something similar, tells you
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: that people behind the scenes in Bernie world talk about
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: that openly. You would maybe know more about that than
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: I do, Griffin. It wouldn't surprise me because he is
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: the unifying juggernaut of the democratic socialist movement in the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: United States in a way that AOC has not proven herself.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: She's much more controversial.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: Like you would have real debates about AOC between like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: it's happening with like Emma Vigeland versus others in that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: orbit in a way that everybody unifies around Bernie.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: It's totally different. And he might feel some responsibility.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: Like I think he's tried to kind of groom AOC
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: as a successor and maybe has seen that it isn't
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: entirely obvious she'll be as unifying a figure as he is.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: But he really is unifying. Like do people quibble with him?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Of course, you know, that's to be expected. But He's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: he's still very, very popular and very unifying.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: And, you know, there's this giant movement on the left within,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you know, DSA chapters and lefty commentators that everybody wants
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: AOC to run for president. You know, DSA LA just
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: took a vote. saying that they are going to encourage
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: AOC to run. Other chapters are doing that as well.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Everyone seems very, very unified about that fact because I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: don't feel like they see anyone else in the bench
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: that could really represent the left in this moment to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: go up against John Ossoff. Um, and I still am
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: not fully convinced that AOC is going to run for president. Um,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, she's pulling high, but I mean, this
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: is another, another thing that Emily, you talk about a lot,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: but you know, AOC just did a bunch of videos
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: about IVF and freezing her eggs. And to me, just
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: timeline wise, if she does want to start a family,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: if she ran now and then did two terms, um,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Would she be starting a family at 44, 45 at
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that point?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Didn't she say in a recent interview? I don't understand
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: the math on it.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: I thought she said in a recent interview that was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: part of the calculus about the egg freezing. Because maybe
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: she does at 45 or something like that. Maybe that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: is actually her thinking. I thought she addressed that in
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: a recent interview, but I'm surprised to hear the DSA
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: voting to encourage AOC to run for president and such
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: because she's become, not become, I mean, there's been enormous
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: controversy swirling around her in DSA circles for years that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: she's not radical enough, that she was captured by Pelosi
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: and Hakeem Jeffries, and that's still swirling. So I honestly
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: am surprised to hear that. But I think Bernie might
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: feel some responsibility to capitalize on I think it's more
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: likely he doesn't run, but maybe he feels like the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: weight of the world. You can tell sometimes he feels
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: like the weight of the world on his shoulders, honestly.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: And does he feel like if he's the most popular
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: type of figure that could usher in this total paradigm
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: shift in U.S. government, does he have to, despite being
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: old and kind of weary, does he have to step
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: in and do it if nobody else can? So that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: argument I actually buy might be plausible, but I feel
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: like AOC did say she was part of why she
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: did that was because she's thinking about running possibly.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think that America would accept a single female
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: running for president?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: She's got to boo up. I don't know. Probably.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: Do you?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: People like her. She's popular.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: We've never seen that before. Not only a woman running,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: but a single lady. Put your hands up.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: That's the campaign anthem. It would be a woke one campaign, probably. Ironically. Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Well, that's our current thoughts on all of that. Let's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: end with this one from Kelly Pearson. This is a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: reaction to Sagar going through an AI segment this week,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: talking about the slop in TV and arts that's on Netflix.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: And Sagar says, very amateurly talk shit on the movie
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Puss in Boots, The Last Wish. So Kelly Pearson says,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: request for Saga, critical review of the movie Puss in
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Boots and The Last Wish. Seriously, watch less than 10
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: hours of an entertainment TV per year, but I watched
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: the movie of the year. It came out because I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: have a soft spot for that character and Antonio Banderas.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: The movie is art and really doesn't compare with the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: other Puss in Boots or Shrek movies. We were both
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: really impressed by the themes of aging. and facing your
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: own mortality. And we decided it was not appropriate for
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: our younger kids.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: I think it is.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch it with them when they're older.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: I think it's appropriate for kids.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: That movie came out in 2022.
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  Speaker 6: Why is Sager referring to that in an AI segment
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  Speaker 6: as slop?
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  Speaker 4: He's a damn fool.
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  Speaker 3: That movie, it's actually good, too. It was better than
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I expected.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Busa Boots is one of the best animated films to
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: come out in quite a while.
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  Speaker 3: One of the great animated characters of all time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a joy. The action's great. The writing's great.
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  Speaker 1: It is about dealing with mortality and what you leave
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  Speaker 1: behind to the next generation and your relationships with other people.
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  Speaker 4: And I found it to be phenomenal.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Saga went through the top 10 Netflix list and-
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: And he thought that they were all slop because he
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: hasn't watched them.
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  Speaker 4: So it was quite embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: I was screaming behind my keyboard telling him that Puss
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  Speaker 1: in Boots was good. So don't worry, Kelly. I've got
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  Speaker 1: you there. And yes, folks, it is still on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: So you can enjoy some real human-made art.
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  Speaker 4: It is not AI slop.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: And Griffin, I feel like you constantly tease movie review
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  Speaker 6: ideas and then it doesn't happen. So maybe you do
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  Speaker 6: Piss and Boots with Sager and then we can do
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: the Daily Wire review.
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  Speaker 1: We have to do Run Fight Infidels. We have to
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  Speaker 1: maybe do that on a... That's the new Daily Wire
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: one with Jonathan Majors.
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  Speaker 3: Well, did you hear they're making a Renee Good one?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Did you see that report?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The script has been leaked for the next Daily Wire film,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: which is going to be about Ice and Renee Good.
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  Speaker 4: What could go wrong? So our.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of work set out for us here.
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  Speaker 1: Where are they getting the money for these movies?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Investors.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it is.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: It is really Joker burning the pile of money with
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: these films because they're not released anywhere, but I think
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the Daily Wire website.
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  Speaker 6: Well, what's funny is when they released What is a Woman?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: It was a box office success. That one went to theaters.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it went to theaters.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's why they've tried to replicate. Like, they've...
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: They've really only had commercial success with documentaries. And so
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: they're trying to do that. And they're just with Matt
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: Walsh documentaries, by the way. The follow up to What
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: is a Woman?
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  Speaker 4: What was it?
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  Speaker 3: It was about race.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: What is a black person?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that was the title, but you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Working title.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I knew.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: As someone who watched and reviewed Lady Ballers, I'm excited
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: for them to continue to burn up a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 4: Can I say, that's.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: When I knew the operation was... Because I think I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: mentioned this last week, but they were.
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  Speaker 3: Because I was at.
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  Speaker 6: The Federalist at the time when they were launching a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: lot of this, and I was the culture editor, so
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: I was covering entertainment pretty closely and assigning stories and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: that sort of thing for other people. And so they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: would bring me to their sets and... At first it
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: was like, wow, they're getting a bunch of money. They
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: have Gina Carano, who's very popular at the time. We
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: don't have to get into any Gina Carano stuff, but
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: at the time was on Mandalorian and the Daily Wire
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: plucked her straight from Mandalorian. And they had a bunch
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: of money coming in and there was some weird cultural
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: momentum because of Woke.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: One, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And it was an interesting project. They picked up that
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  Speaker 6: one film that was actually very good. I think it
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: was called Shudden. And it was with.
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  Speaker 3: One of the From....
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, it was actually a pretty good movie. And then
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: it all started to become more and more dubious. And
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: then when I saw Lady Ballers, I was like, it's over.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro describes the Daily Wire action film Run, Hide, Fight,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Infidels as a mashup of Red Dawn and Blazing Saddles.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that is the problem is like, I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: think the these conservative films would have more juice if
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  Speaker 1: they just took them really seriously. But they're also like,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: but we're also comedians. It's also blazing saddles. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that takes some of the some of the bite
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  Speaker 1: out of their political takes and themes in these films
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  Speaker 1: because they're not they're not funny. But the but the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: premise of the movie centers on a radical Islamic terrorist group.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: who hijack a campus pro-Palestine student protest and set up
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: a mini caliphate. So it's like if they take over
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Colombia or whatever. Apparently, Jonathan Majors appears for only like
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: three minutes of the film because he got injured on
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: set by falling out of a window.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see this? He fell out of a window.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I thought they said he didn't really get, like,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: that he just had like a little, wow, that's funny.
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  Speaker 3: So he's only in three minutes of the movie?
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  Speaker 1: He's like barely in the film, apparently, but is taking
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: all the backlash, which is very funny.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this guy was Kang.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: He was going to be the new Thanos in liberal, Marvel,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: successful Hollywood. And now he's in Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Can I say, Griffin, when I.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: Went to the set of their movie Terror on the Prairie,
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  Speaker 6: which did not turn out well, what was interesting was
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: actually a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of the crew were people who had worked in Hollywood
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: and union jobs for.
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  Speaker 4: Decades and- We're desperate right now.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: Well, no, they actually started to feel really alienated.
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  Speaker 6: And it kind of makes me sad because they were
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: people who were like, they definitely weren't conservative. Some of
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  Speaker 6: them were just like wacky artists, like the type of people,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: they're just like great people and weird people. And they
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: felt really alienated from Hollywood and they're very talented, like
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  Speaker 6: down to the makeup artists. And it just kind of
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: makes me sad because they were so excited about something
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: that would be like actually art for art's sake. And
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: that's what was originally kind of getting pitched was like,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: we're just going to do really good movies and they're
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: not going to be political. They might have like moral
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: messages that have political consequences or implications, but we're just
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: going to let politics, you know, take a backseat.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: And so it is kind of sad to see that trajectory,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, because.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: There were a lot of good people who were like
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: eager to find something new because they were alienated by
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: their friends. It was like COVID was hard for a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: lot of people in Hollywood who didn't agree with all
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: of the, masking and vax stuff because they're like eccentrics.
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  Speaker 3: And anyway, it's kind of sad to think about that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also surprised that they had the Daily Wire. I mean,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I'll tip my hat to the Daily Wire for still
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: making movies the old fashioned way. They have not announced
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: that they're making an AI movie yet. So they're still doing,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, they're still, they're still down there in the
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: trenches with real cameras and real actors doing real ass movies.
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  Speaker 4: Politics?
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  Speaker 1: Question mark. So my review for this film is do
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  Speaker 1: not walk to the movie theater. Run, hide, fight to
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  Speaker 1: the movie theater this fall. We got to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll save it for another Friday show. And that's going
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: to do it for this Friday show. We hope you
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: all enjoyed it. A little bit shorter than usual. Ryan's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: off to San Francisco. Crystal is in España leading the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: next civil war.
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  Speaker 3: Look at your dog's beautiful silhouette behind you, by the way. Beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: She's right here. She's gorgeous.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Look at that, how beautiful the silhouette is, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the sun is finally rising here in sunny Los Angeles, California,
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  Speaker 3: No, sounds good.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. All right. Dailywire.com, folks.