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How to Network at Marine Science Conferences Like a Pro · How To Protect The Ocean

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  There have been a number of conferences this year that have gone on in
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  sharks, in marine conservation, marine science, all that kind of
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  stuff, and I love conferences.
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  I love going to them, as many as possible, as many as my bank account can take.
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  But one thing that I always hear every single time are people
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  worried about going to conferences.
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  One, the expense.
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  Totally understand.
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  It's a difficult thing to get if you aren't being sponsored by somebody,
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  or your school isn't sending you to it, or your work isn't sending you.
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  But when you do get there, the other big thing is like, "Oh, I'm introverted,"
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  or, "I don't really know what to do when I get there, how to network and stuff."
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  So today, I wanna talk about going to conferences and networking, 'cause
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  it's one of the biggest ways and one of the best ways you can basically get
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  jobs, build a network, collaborate with people, and just build friends and
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  colleagues for the rest of your life.
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  It's where a lot of work and projects were solidified throughout time for science.
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  And so, I think it's really important to do.
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  So we're gonna talk about that on this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean.
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  All right, let's get into the show.
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  This is gonna be fun.
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  I love conferences.
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  It is my favorite thing.
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  I remember interviewing for my last position, not the one I just have
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  now, but the position I had before.
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  It was, like, seven years ago, eight years ago.
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  And I remember them doing, and they're like, "Hey, Andrew, do you like going
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  to conferences?" In the interview.
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  And I'm like, " Conferences?
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  That's my jam.
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  That's what I love to do." Like, I'm an extrovert.
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  I love people.
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  I love interacting with people, and I get excited.
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  I get pumped to go to conferences.
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  And I get it.
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  Not everybody's like me and have the same attitude.
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  But it doesn't matter.
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  Conferences are a part of the conservation career journey.
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  You have to be able to interact with people in some sorta way.
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  I'm not dismissing people who are introverted or who are a little shy
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  and, don't know exactly what to say.
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  Not to worry, 'cause this episode, we are going to go over some of the things
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  that have helped me over the years.
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  And to be honest, have helped my daughter be able to start her conservation journey,
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  'cause she's in wildlife conservation.
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  It's helped her interact with people and build a network and go
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  to job fairs and talk to people.
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  And we're gonna talk about some of the people we've been told have also gone
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  to those job fairs and how they act.
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  And I think it's really important to understand that there are certain
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  things that you can practice before you go that'll make you feel more
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  comfortable when you get there.
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  And if you feel that comfort, I'm not forcing anybody to do things, but if
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  you feel that comfort, you can get there, and you can actually feel a lot better
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  by using a couple of little things.
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  That's the big thing.
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  So let's talk conferences The best thing to do is read up on the
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  conferences that works best for you.
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  If you're going into the fisheries for conservation or careers, you
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  go to a fisheries conference.
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  If you're in just conservation in general, you go to maybe the Conservation Congress.
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  If you are into sharks, you go to Sharks International, or you go to
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  the American Elasmobranch Society conference that they have every year.
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  They just had it in, I forget where it was.
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  I think it was Arizona.
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  But regardless, there's a conference for pretty much everything, and
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  you just have to pick and choose.
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  You have to do the research.
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  There's a coral reef conference, there's a seagrass conference,
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  maybe more of a workshop.
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  There's sea turtle conferences, the Marine Mammal Society Conference,
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  all these different conferences.
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  And they are, just as I mentioned, societies.
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  They are put on by scientific societies and conservation societies.
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  And so, like, the Sharks International is put on by the Shark Trust.
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  The American Elasmobranch Society puts on the American Elasmobranch Conference,
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  which is part of another conference, like the Herpetology Conference too.
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  That's a long story, but they combine to make one bigger one, so they get deals on
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  conference centers and stuff like that.
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  The marine section for the Society of Conservation Biology does International
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  Marine Conservation Congress, my favorite conference to go podcasting.
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  I go podcasting there all the time.
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  And it's in Scotland this year.
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  Hopefully, you'll be there November 13th through the 17th.
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  I actually am presenting, which is a lot of fun.
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  The thing is, is, like, you have to find what works for you.
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  There's an ocean science meeting that happened in Scotland this past year,
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  which I think is the first time in a long time, if not ever, that it was
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  in Europe and not in North America.
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  And so there are a lot of conferences for something that you want to go into.
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  And then of course, there's the general ocean conservation conferences
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  that are, like, Ocean Decade Conference, Our Oceans Conference.
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  And those are international, big international conferences.
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  Like, they're usually run by the UN, the United Nations.
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  You've gotta first pick and choose which conference will fit your
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  career or will fit what you need to do, what you're going into.
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  If there's a specific theme that is being highlighted at the conference,
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  and that fits what you wanna do or what you are already doing, then
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  you go to that, conference, right?
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  You do whatever you can to go to that conference.
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  Now, look, some of these conferences are really expensive, and they're far.
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  Like, the International Marine Conservation Congress, it's in Scotland.
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  It's in Edinburgh, I think, is how I was told how to pronounce.
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  You have to spend the money to go there.
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  It's expensive for hotels.
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  It's expensive probably for food.
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  It's expensive to get there.
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  Marine Conservation Congress at one time had it in Malaysia, and so for a North
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  American, it was expensive to get there.
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  South Africa the two years before.
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  It can be expensive for people in North America.
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  But also, it makes it closer for other people who always have to fly
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  to North America or Europe from, like, Southeast Asia or Australia or
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  South Africa and things like that.
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  So having them in countries where they're closer to another different
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  crowd or a crowd that can't always make it just due to distance and expense,
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  they will have it all over the place.
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  So check to see which one fits you best.
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  I actually just talked to a colleague of mine that just
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  went to Sharks International.
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  And I asked her how it was.
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  She said it was great.
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  It was in Sri Lanka this year.
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  It was a little difficult from where she's from to get there
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  'cause it's a little expensive.
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  But the next one is the same.
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  It's a little more expensive, but it's every four years, so she's starting
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  to save now so that she can afford the trip in four years from now.
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  Which is a great way to really think of it.
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  If you're gonna save, you know, save a couple hundred bucks a month, and you'll
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  be able to get, pay for the flight, pay for the hotel, and enjoy the time.
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  Because when you go to a conference in person, it is so much better.
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  Like it-- You get to meet people face to face that you've known online.
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  You get to interact over a coffee, a tea, a drink, an alcoholic or
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  non-alcoholic, a lunch, a dinner.
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  If you're having water at the snack booth, in the middle of sessions, and
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  you meet somebody you haven't seen or you've just interacted on BlueSky or
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  on LinkedIn, it's nice to be able to put a face and a voice to the name.
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  I've met a lot of people in the how to protect the ocean audience that
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  have shown up to International Marine Conservation Congresses, and it's been
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  phenomenal to meet the people there.
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  It's been great.
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  I love it.
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  Is so much fun to get feedback and to talk about what they love
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  and what they'd like to see in the future and all that kind of stuff.
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  The thing is, is like you go there in person because you can
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  build your relationships better.
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  Everything in person is better.
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  And I understand that having a virtual conference is a lot more inclusive because
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  people from all over the world, as long as it's within their time zone or they
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  can even stay up till 3:00 in the morning if they want, if they have to, you
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  can take part in many of the sessions.
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  Some of them are recorded, so you can watch them after.
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  But having it in person is just so much better because the business
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  relationships that you build when you're there is just a little bit stronger.
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  It's very difficult in a virtual conference to start hanging out
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  and chatting with people online.
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  It's not an easy thing to do.
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  So doing it in person is a lot easier.
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  Now, I know there are some people who are a little introverted, more
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  introverted, get a little shy, get a little imposter syndrome.
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  I'm gonna tell you, we all get it.
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  I get it.
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  Colleagues get it.
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  It's something that nobody ever gets over.
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  I think what you have to remember is that everybody's a person.
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  I do a podcast with Dr. David Ebert.
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  Dave is a legend in the shark science world.
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  He is like taxonomy king in there, or one of them anyway, and he's
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  the go-to for a lot of people to identify specific species.
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  That's what he loves to do.
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  And when he goes to a conference, some people are a little
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  worried or shy to go up.
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  They have a little imposter syndrome, like, "I don't know if
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  I'm worth going up to him." You know what he says all the time?
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  He wants people to come up to him.
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  He loves it when people come up to him and say, "Hi, I'm so and so.
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  This is my research.
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  This is what I'm doing.
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  This is what I'd like to do.
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  Really love what you're doing." It's nice to meet people that are either just
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  getting in their career, have been in their career for a while, especially shark
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  science, 'cause he goes to a lot of those.
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  It is just nice to have all those people show up and meet him face to
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  face, 'cause he can put that face.
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  He's old school too, so he likes to have the face to the
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  name when he sees them online.
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  And a lot of the people that he met will probably be on the Beyond Jaws
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  podcast in the next year or so, 'cause he came back and he's like,
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  "Andrew, I met so many new people.
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  It was so great.
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  I'm gonna line them up to have them on the podcast." This
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  is what it's about, though.
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  It's about meeting people.
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  It's about introducing yourself.
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  It's about talking research.
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  But also, I want you to remember when you network, it's not all business.
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  Okay?
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  And here's how an interaction typically goes.
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  When you first meet somebody at a conference, now, this is
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  probably usually over food.
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  That's the best time to get people is over food.
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  I know it sounds weird, but it's over food.
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  If I see somebody I recognize that I may not know, but I know who they are,
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  I will grab a plate, I will go beside them as they're in the buffet line or
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  whatever, and I will just chitchat.
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  I'm like, "Oh, that looks really good. Have you ever tried that
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  before?" Something like that.
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  And then I talk, I'm like, "Oh, you're so and so." And they're like, "Yeah, that's
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  me." And I'm like, "Oh, I'm a huge fan.
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  My name's Andrew Lewin, and this is what I do." I give my elevator pitch.
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  So I basically talk about, you know, I'm a podcaster.
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  I've had a podcast called How to Protect the Ocean podcast for over 10 years.
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  I'm a marine biologist, and now I'll be able to say that I'm Ocean
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  Communications Manager for Pisces Oceans.
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  And I talk about what I do, and I'm just like, "I really love the work that you've
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  done," and usually, if it's somebody I know, I really love what you've done,
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  like, in terms of a specific aspect of what they've done, what they're known for.
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  And I'm like, "I really appreciate and respect what you've been able
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  to do for that side of the field." And then we have a chitchat.
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  I'm like, " How was your trip?" "Are you enjoying the conference?" These are little
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  small talk that you can essentially just break the ice with and just get relaxed so
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  you're not as nervous or things like that.
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  And then a lot of the times you're just talking about the weather,
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  you're talking about the conference hotel, you're talking about the food.
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  You're talking about, "Hey, are you doing any trips or anything like that?"
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  You just let the conversation kind of take it the way, wherever it goes.
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  And then you talk about, "Hey, I just attended this really good session.
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  I'm not sure if you've attended," or, "What was your favorite session
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  so far?" And then you just start having this chitchat, right?
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  And it can go any which way.
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  It could go, like, personal in terms of, like, what your life is like and how
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  you got there and everything like that.
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  It could go with, like, sessions that you had.
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  It can go with, like, the amenities at the conference center and the
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  hotel and the food and everything.
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  There's a lot of things that it can go.
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  The country that you're in.
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  Maybe if it's not a country you've been in before, you're like,
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  "Isn't this a wonderful country?"
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  Like, "Have you been here?
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  What do I do?" Like, "What would you recommend?" All that kind of stuff, right?
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  So all these types of small chitchat can happen at lunch, it can happen in line.
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  But the biggest thing that you have to remember is that you have to have
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  your elevator pitch, your 30 second, 20 to 30 second elevator pitch,
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  about who you are and what you do.
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  I ask that in every interview.
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  "Who are you and what do you do? Tell us who you are and what you
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  do." And if you're able to say that over and over, and you practice it.
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  'Cause even me, as someone who goes to a conference, I will practice it
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  in my hotel room or on the flight or wherever I go, I will practice it.
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  I will record it, listen back to my voice, which I hate,
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  'cause I hate hearing my voice.
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  I will speak it out loud.
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  And the more you practice it, the more it comes off the tip of
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  your tongue better, and it sounds like you know what you're doing.
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  If you said the first time, you're doing ums and ahs and this and that.
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  Practice the story.
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  It's almost like when you go for an interview for a job.
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  You know some of the questions they're gonna ask.
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  Like, they're like, "Did you ever have a hard time in work, and how did you solve
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  it?" You should have a story ready.
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  You should have something ready, and you should have that prepared, at
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  least a couple of different stories for specific questions that you think
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  are being asked or that have been asked in a lot of different interviews.
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  It's the same thing with when you go to a conference.
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  Like, have certain things that you're ready to talk about
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  and that you can talk about.
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  If you're not good at conversation, if you practice those and practice
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  that storytelling, they don't have to be elaborate, they
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  don't have to be descriptive.
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  It just comes out easily, then it really helps.
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  It really helps.
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  And I think it helps also who you're talking to too.
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  Like, not everybody's gonna be nice.
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  Not everybody is going to be extroverted or seem friendly.
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  They might look at you, like not knowing who you are and
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  waiting to hear what you do.
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  So in a ocean conference-type setting, if you start talking
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  about, "Hey, my name's Andrew Lewin.
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  Now I'm gonna lead with Pisces Oceans.
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  "I'm an ocean communications manager for Pisces Oceans, and, you know, I'm
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  here to take in some of the sessions, talk to maybe potential clients, but
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  really just enjoy the time around here."
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  And they're like, "Oh, and what are you up to these days?" If I know who
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  they are, or, "What do you do?" And then they're gonna say the same thing.
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  Like, "My name is," say it's Dave Ebert.
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  "I'm a shark scientist.
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  I'm known as the Lost Shark guy online.
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  I discover sharks that haven't been seen in a while or discover new sharks.
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  I've described over 50 species." My God, I know his elevator
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  pitch more than I know mine.
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  But regardless, you know, like you have to practice it, and then you have to say it.
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  And once you say it a bunch of times, it becomes so easy when you
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  get there and you start to say it.
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  You'll be surprised.
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  Case in point, my daughter and I, we went to the Toronto Zoo
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  job fair a couple years ago.
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  She wants to be a zookeeper, and she wants to go into wildlife biology.
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  Now she's in her first year, but this is, like, when she was in grade 11.
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  It was the winter of grade 11.
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  So she wasn't graduating high school yet.
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  She wasn't going to university yet.
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  She just wanted to see if she can get a job.
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  So there was a job fair.
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  So we drove the hour and 15 minutes to the zoo, which was perfect
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  time because I got in the car.
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  Tea is her name.
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  I said, "Hey, Tea, like, what are you gonna say to people
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  when you go up to them?"
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  She's like, "What do you mean?" Well, I'm like, "Basically…"
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  I kinda laid it out, right?
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  I said, "It's a job fair, so there's gonna be a bunch of tables set out, and there's
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  gonna be different departments set up.
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  So you'll have, like, the zookeeper department.
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  You'll have, like, the custodian department.
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  You'll have the curator department.
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  You'll have the animal welfare research department.
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  You'll have all these different departments that they have
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  that they're hiring for.
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  And then what you're gonna do is you're gonna walk up to the table
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  of the department that interests you, and you're gonna tell them
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  who you are and what you do.
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  Or in this case, what you want to do and what you want.
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  And so what university you wanna go to," 'cause she hadn't gotten into university
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  yet, " and then what you wanna do at that university and what you wanna
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  do as a career. And so you're gonna walk up, and you're gonna say that."
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  I said, "You need to have that elevator pitch." She's like, "Oh, okay." And
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  then I kinda waited, and I'm like, " What's your elevator pitch?" "Oh,"
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  she's like, "oh, what do you mean, now?" I'm like, "Yeah, now." I'm
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  like, "This is your elevator pitch.
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  This is what we are going to do.
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  We are going to practice this.
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  We have an hour and, now 10 minutes where you're gonna practice.
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  You're gonna tell me over and over and over again." And that's what we did.
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  She crafted one.
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  And the first time, it came out rough, and that was fine.
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  I said, "No, this is good because now you have the layout, and
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  you know what you need to say."
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  And we practiced it over and over and over and over until
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  she could say it in her sleep.
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  And even to this day she says it.
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  And so when we got to the job fair, she started going up.
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  I know the CEO.
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  She walked up to the CEO, and she's like, "Hey, Dolph," like, "I know
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  who you are," blah, blah, blah.
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  My name's Tehya, and this is what I do." And he was like, "This is great.
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  You know exactly what you wanna do." He's like, "Well, enjoy." Like, he
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  gave us all the tour and what to do and all this kind of stuff, right?
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  So, and he was even giving her kind of like a heads-up, like, " Hey, you
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  know, you're still in high school.
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  We normally hire university students because we can hire them earlier
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  in May, but we do take some high school students, but just keep
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  that in mind." So no problem.
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  That was great.
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  Gave us a great heads-up.
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  And then she started going to the different tables.
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  I wouldn't walk up.
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  I stayed back.
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  She walked up.
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  'Cause I tend, if I go up as her dad, I'm going to take over because
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  I'm an extrovert, and I take over.
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  I have to sit there, and I have to just put my hand over my mouth, and I have
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  to be like, "Mmm," because I'm gonna talk and interrupt all the time 'cause
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  I'm a white male, and that's what I do.
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  And it's just, I have to be cognizant of that.
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  So I took a step back.
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  I said, Go on up and say, who you're interested in." And she
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  went up to every single table.
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  And can I tell you how impressed people were?
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  It was a proud papa moment.
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  I was a proud dad watching my daughter go up there and talk.
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  A little emotional, to be honest, because she showed off that she was
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  like, you know, 16, 17 years old.
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  She's showing off that she can do this, and she's mature enough
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  to do this and that she wants to do this, and this is her passion.
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  She's always wanted to do this.
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  So she goes up, and she talks to a bunch of different people.
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  The last table of the day that she walked up to and she said her
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  elevator pitch, and the woman that was behind the table said, "You know
• 15:55
  what?" This was an amazing interaction 'cause they talked for a while.
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  And after that, and I walked up after 'cause I met up with her after and she's
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  like, "Your daughter was phenomenal."
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  She's like, "She walked up.
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  She knew exactly what to say.
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  She told me what her name was, what she wanted to do, what she was
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  interested in, all this kind of stuff.
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  We talked about the university.
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  We talked about future plans.
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  We talked a little bit about how to try and get in here
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  and try and get jobs here."
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  She was like, "From a communication standpoint, it's great 'cause
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  that's what we look for.
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  Obviously they have to be in a specific program, and they have
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  to be interested, and they have to have the skills and qualities.
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  But the zookeepers and anybody who works at the zoo has to be able
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  to speak to the public because that's what you're there for.
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  You're there to explain the animals to the public." And she was able to do that.
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  She's like, I could see it right away.
• 16:40
  She's just got that personality." And she's like, "Some of the people who
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  came up that were her age or even older would walk up to the table
• 16:47
  and just stare and not say a word, and they would just stare at her."
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  And she was just like, " can I help you?" Like, "Did you wanna have
• 16:54
  some questions?" And she had to try and pull the conversation out.
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  Now, that doesn't give a good impression, and it's not necessarily their fault.
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  Some people, it's English isn't their first language, so they might feel a
• 17:03
  little bit shy and not as confident.
• 17:05
  Other people may not know to do that.
• 17:07
  They haven't been taught that or anything like that.
• 17:09
  I don't know.
• 17:10
  Regardless, it was an observation that was made.
• 17:12
  And Taya felt confident after.
• 17:14
  And I'll tell you what happened is the next year she went back to that same job
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  fair, and people remembered who she was.
• 17:21
  One person especially was like, "Oh yeah, I remember you.
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  You went to Guelph.
• 17:23
  Did you get in?" She's like, "Yeah, I got into Guelph.
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  I'm in Guelph right now.
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  I'm really enjoying it." They talked a lot about that, and they talked
• 17:28
  about doing something in the future.
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  This is what happens when you practice your 30-second elevator pitch.
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  You become memorable, and you let your personality just shine.
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  Now, I know, again, I'm gonna say this again, if you're introverted,
• 17:39
  I'm not forcing anybody to do this.
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  This will help you at conferences to kind of break the ice a little bit.
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  Just have that little practice so you have something to bring to
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  the table, and then just relax.
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  Sometimes you can just sit back, like in a big group, you can sit back
• 17:53
  and just enjoy the conversation, how it goes and everything like that.
• 17:56
  So that's great.
• 17:57
  What I would recommend, if you're in ocean conservation, and you're
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  in ocean science, I would highly recommend going to the International
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  Marine Conservation Congress.
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  I am not sponsored by them yet, but, it's a conference that I believe
• 18:07
  in a lot, and I'll tell you why.
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  This conference is one of the most inclusive conferences I have
• 18:13
  been-- if not the most inclusive conferences that I have ever attended.
• 18:18
  I have never felt so welcoming, so supported and so valued.
• 18:25
  And it's not just me feeling that.
• 18:27
  I've spoken to other people who have gone to the conference,
• 18:29
  and they felt the same way.
• 18:31
  And it's because of the attendees and the organizers and the
• 18:35
  volunteers on the committees.
• 18:37
  The people who attend, just in general, try to make it as welcoming as possible.
• 18:42
  Somebody might come up and talk to you.
• 18:43
  Sometimes I walk up to people and I just say, "Hey," you
• 18:45
  know, like, "How you doing?
• 18:46
  My name's Andrew," this and that.
• 18:48
  " I see that you're just staying here," like, "I see that you're
• 18:49
  probably in the buffet line," 'cause that's usually where I hang out.
• 18:52
  Um, but, yeah, that's just what it is.
• 18:54
  It's just a friendly environment.
• 18:57
  It's a supportive environment.
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  Sometimes you'll get invited to dinner, sometimes you'll get
• 19:02
  invited to lunch, or sometimes we're going out for some drinks after.
• 19:06
  People are looking out for each other.
• 19:08
  We're making sure that everybody feels welcome and feels
• 19:11
  safe, all that kind of stuff.
• 19:12
  And look, I can't speak for everybody at the conference, but I can speak
• 19:16
  to my experiences and the people that I've met at the conference and stuff,
• 19:20
  and they all say the same thing.
• 19:21
  I'm sure there's some, been some incidences over the
• 19:24
  years that I'm not aware of.
• 19:25
  But for the most part, things have been really good.
• 19:27
  Like 99% of the time, things have been pretty good that I've
• 19:30
  heard feedback from other people.
• 19:32
  Just to full disclosure, I am part of the program committee, and so I've reviewed a
• 19:36
  bunch of abstracts and things like that.
• 19:37
  I really like to take part.
• 19:39
  That's another thing to get noticed too.
• 19:40
  If you wanna get noticed, volunteer to be part of a committee on a conference
• 19:45
  to help plan the conference ' cause then people start to work with you
• 19:48
  and get to know you, and you get to see… Like, I met somebody in
• 19:50
  California that I'd never met before.
• 19:52
  I met a couple people in Europe that I've never met before,
• 19:55
  and all over the US and Canada.
• 19:57
  You just meet people all over the place.
• 19:58
  And then of course reconnect with people you haven't seen in
• 20:00
  a while, and that's always fun.
• 20:01
  One of the things that I always look forward to going to these marine
• 20:03
  conferences is to reconnect with the progress of the Project Seagrass team.
• 20:08
  Love that team.
• 20:09
  They are amazing.
• 20:10
  They are so much fun.
• 20:11
  Look, I hope that they're able to go to the conference this year.
• 20:13
  It's one of those things where you have friends that you don't normally see every
• 20:17
  day because they live in a different continent or they live across the world.
• 20:20
  And when you get to these conferences, you get to reconnect,
• 20:22
  and it's so, so much fun.
• 20:24
  So I want to encourage you to go to the conference that you feel most
• 20:28
  comfortable at, that fits what you do.
• 20:31
  If you're a student and you get a professor to send you
• 20:33
  there, that's wonderful.
• 20:35
  If you are a mid-career and you can go and you get paid to go there, that's amazing.
• 20:39
  I've always paid for myself to go to some of these conferences, but that's just me.
• 20:44
  There's no expectation.
• 20:45
  I've had the privilege to be able to do so, and so I've been able to go.
• 20:48
  , But I highly recommend going to a conference, especially if they're local.
• 20:51
  Go to the conference even if they don't fit your bill right down to the T.
• 20:54
  Go try and present, get that experience as well if you can.
• 20:57
  And yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 20:59
  Like, I think it's a lot of fun.
• 21:00
  I'm getting very excited.
• 21:02
  I just found out last week that my paper got accepted, or two weeks
• 21:05
  ago that my paper got accepted.
• 21:06
  I'm about to register, pay for the hotel, and all that kinda stuff.
• 21:09
  It is going to be a blast, a blast, and I can't wait.
• 21:13
  So, that's it for today's episode.
• 21:14
  I would love to hear what conference you like to go to.
• 21:17
  So let me know in my DMs or, you can contact me any which way.
• 21:22
  Just go to the show notes.
• 21:23
  You know what it is.
• 21:23
  Just go to the show notes.
• 21:24
  And of course, if you wanna support me, that kinda helps me get to
• 21:27
  IMCC, you can go to Patreon, become a, a patron on Patreon.
• 21:31
  Go to speakupforblue.com/patreon.
• 21:35
  That's speakupforblue.com/patreon.
• 21:38
  The link's also in the show notes.
• 21:40
  I wanna thank you for listening.
• 21:41
  I wanna thank you for all those who go to conferences or try and go to
• 21:44
  conferences and encourage others, for all those professors and labs that send
• 21:49
  their students to conferences and pay them for the food and everything like
• 21:52
  that, 'cause that's important, and all the people who make conferences fun and
• 21:55
  inclusive and supportive and just amazing.
• 21:58
  You are all amazing.
• 21:59
  I can't wait to see people at IMCC.
• 22:01
  It's a lot of fun.
• 22:02
  I did go to an H2O conference, and I'm gonna be going to the Our
• 22:05
  Oceans conference next year in Halifax, 'cause it's close by.
• 22:08
  And yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 22:10
  So, that's it for today's episode.
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  Thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the How
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  to Protect the Ocean podcast.
• 22:14
  I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
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  Have a great day.
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  We'll talk to you next time, and happy conservation.