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#23 | Melissa Bratton · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: What's going on y'all?
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SPEAKER_00: It's Susilari Hernandez here.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the Corpus Christi Originals podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show, Melissa.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming on.
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SPEAKER_04: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm I'm we market on Instagram a lot, and we we your pay uh when we first got on Instagram, the brand that I have, uh yours was one of the the brands that popped up as you know for to follow in the city.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: And I looked at it, I was like, dang, these these are this is pretty cool what you're doing, these haircuts.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh so what for people that don't know, what what would you call like these types of haircuts that you do at Fevered Moon?
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SPEAKER_04: Um I typically do a lot of shag haircuts um in variations thereof.
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SPEAKER_04: I use uh Plie razor, which is a razor without a guard most of the time.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, crazy.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and carve out according to someone's hairline and hairstyle and texture.
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SPEAKER_04: Um it's yeah, I do pixies, mullets, super into mullets lately.
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SPEAKER_04: Y'all are a little bit, but taking um a very rock and roll edge, a very gritty edge to it, as opposed to completely um overly styled, like with a curling iron and something that can be worn.
1:47
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, just shake it out wet and let it air dry.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: So so once they air dry, they will need they will need to put more much products and stuff.
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SPEAKER_04: It depends on the look that you're trying to achieve or how like how much hair you have, the density.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's a lot that goes into it.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've I don't know.
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SPEAKER_04: This is the the lull and the ramble, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, it's you're good, you're good.
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SPEAKER_00: So so you're so they don't have they don't necessarily have to do that.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: So this style, these styles that you do, they're they're shag, right?
2:26
SPEAKER_00: You call them like shag style or whatever.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh and the razor cutting, that's pretty interesting.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: Um can you can you still achieve that style without using the razor?
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SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll incorporate every tool in my toolbox.
2:42
SPEAKER_04: I have like six or seven different types of shears.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's cool.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: I like how you refer to them as tools.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got a toolbox.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, because you're what you're doing is like art, it's like art.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: I see.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, every time I go get a haircut, like I always consider the barber like I like to tell them, like, look, you do you, like do however you think it fits my head.
3:07
SPEAKER_00: And some barbers get it and some of them don't.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, some of them would actually do a good job and make it fit my head or my face, which is what you're doing.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: It seems like it.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, it seems like no uh haircut is the same for every person.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking at your Instagram here.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: You guys, you guys need to go check it out, fevered moon on Instagram.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so it that is that how you do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um uh, you do you you shape it to the person's head and their facial structure?
3:35
SPEAKER_00: How does that work?
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SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
3:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, we're all different, there's no two heads of hair the same, just like there's no two hairdressers that do hair exactly the same.
3:45
SPEAKER_04: It's all like handwriting.
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SPEAKER_04: So we all have different growth patterns and density and head shapes, and you have to really take that into consideration when you're doing hair and like where to take out weight and where to leave weight distribution, or whether or not someone's gonna like you know have you know a little short piece in the middle in the front of your bang, or do you want your bangs to start at your cheekbone?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, where do you want this to carve out your your cheekbones?
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SPEAKER_04: Be pretty cool to know, like, or how do you want to feel when you leave?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's cool.
4:29
SPEAKER_00: I like I like you mentioned that I listened to your previous podcast with Brittany Mute, and that's pretty cool.
4:34
SPEAKER_00: You want people to feel good about themselves when they leave.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: It's almost like uh kind of like therapy, you know.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh do you consider it that way?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh, to a degree, like I do not have that license to be a therapist, but um being able to have a conversation, being um feeling good about yourself for the next three months or six weeks, however often you need to come in, it's important to me that you feel just as good about yourself.
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SPEAKER_04: Some people hadn't like looked in the mirror or go through depression.
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SPEAKER_04: So as human beings, like if you feel good about the way your hair looks, you feel good about a lot.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, it just kind of sets the tone of the day.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, if you're like frustrated and mad and you're throwing the brush, or you're like, you with you know, your hair being typically barber cut, like, could you're kind of like, Oh, I don't, I don't really feel that good about myself.
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SPEAKER_04: I need to go get my hair cut, I need to feel fresh.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it has um an effect on the way you feel, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
5:52
SPEAKER_00: That makes a lot of sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, because whenever I go and I leave, I feel good about myself.
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SPEAKER_00: I come home and my wife's like, Wow, you look like a different person, you know what I mean?
6:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, heck yeah, that's awesome.
6:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, so you're not from Corpus.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: You grew up in Missouri, born in Kansas.
6:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: All right.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: Is that was that tornado tornado land over there?
6:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, uh tornado went through my hometown.
6:18
SPEAKER_04: I think I was I think it was 2001.
6:23
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
6:23
SPEAKER_04: And it was huge.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, I lived, you know, so far away, five miles in the next town that actually had a stoplight.
6:32
SPEAKER_04: You know.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: So only one stoplight, not many freeways.
6:37
SPEAKER_04: I've never been on a freeway until here.
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SPEAKER_04: This was the big city for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, what was that like?
6:43
SPEAKER_04: What was it like when you first got it's uh it was different.
6:48
SPEAKER_04: Like it to be honest with you, like I didn't know what I was doing.
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SPEAKER_04: It's taken a lot to even I've gone through so many different phases in my life just to have landed here.
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SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so many different that's good, like so many different phases.
7:09
SPEAKER_00: Man, it it's and it's like you're constantly evolving.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: You have to right?
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SPEAKER_04: You have to, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Adapt, adjust.
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SPEAKER_04: The only thing constant is change.
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SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: That's that's good advice, right there for sure.
7:23
SPEAKER_00: Man, so and you've been cutting hair for 22 years, or you call it hairdressing.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: Is it hairdressing or cutting?
7:29
SPEAKER_00: What do you call it?
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SPEAKER_04: It's all this it's it's all the same, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Into the similar category.
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SPEAKER_04: I've been in the industry for 22 years.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's that's so awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: And you did you you did you start doing what you're I guess you didn't start doing your style that you're doing now?
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SPEAKER_04: No, a few people kind of okay, so you notice the trend on Instagram, you notice people that are in LA doing hairstyles, and then people will bring you something.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, as long as I've been doing hair, that style was old school in 2000, so you still kind of learned how to do a heavily layered haircut in beauty school, and a few people brought pictures to me of models they'd seen or people that they'd seen on Pinterest from the 70s or 80s, and then it kind of sets the tone, it kind of brings, oh well, I love this, I it's bringing me joy to do this, I want to do this all the time.
8:43
SPEAKER_04: Wow, and I noticed I got a lot of reactivity from it from Instagram, any any type of marketing.
8:53
SPEAKER_04: So I was like, you know what?
8:54
SPEAKER_04: I'm really just gonna delve deep into this and get as much education as I can and learn a lot.
9:06
SPEAKER_04: Sorry, there's something in my eye.
9:08
SPEAKER_04: Um learn as much as I can to like create more and then you know, learn the rules so you can break them.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
9:21
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty cool.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: It's almost like, yeah, it's like you have to break the rules to create something new, and then people are gonna catch on to it, catch on to it or not.
9:30
SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, originality is kind of hard to find.
9:36
SPEAKER_04: I mean obviously this is a style that was popular in the 70s and 80s, and then it just evolved from there, and then the throwbacks, and then taking what was a popular, very you know, iconic people are Farrah Fawcett, Dolly Parton, um Stevie Nicks, and taking that and just making it more and more and more your own.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
10:11
SPEAKER_00: It makes me think of like tattooing, like how tattooing has evolved, like oh my gosh, like the neo-traditional is super red right now.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure, man.
10:24
SPEAKER_00: And even like I like like portraits and stuff and stuff that looks like realistic, uh, and not only black and white, but like color.
10:31
SPEAKER_00: I've seen some color, like somebody did like a com an actual comic book uh piece on somebody's arm.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: I was like, dang, this is sweet, you know.
10:43
SPEAKER_04: That's not my medium.
10:44
SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm I love it.
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SPEAKER_04: I like being a tattoo collector, but uh I I think of you know the patience, the stretching, you have to stretch skin, and then like work on something that's vibrating.
11:02
SPEAKER_04: Like, that seems like a lot.
11:04
SPEAKER_04: And then let alone people feeling like pain.
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SPEAKER_04: So like they're paying you to be in pain, and then you're kind of and then they're bitching about it.
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SPEAKER_04: I can't um I don't usually bitch about it until like the last 30 to 45 minutes, nonetheless.
11:25
SPEAKER_04: Fuck, I want to be done.
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SPEAKER_04: They'll be like, Well, we're already here.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, you're gonna be mad.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it looks nice when you're done, right?
11:38
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, it's it it's pretty cool how it's like a form of art.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, definitely.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: I've been wanting to get a few more.
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SPEAKER_00: So you have any you have any more tattoos lined up in the future?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um I've been noticing a few um a few people that are local younger female artists I've noticed are doing some black and gray, and I've never really gotten into black and gray.
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SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna see a young woman by the name of Dominique on the 11th, and she works at Fat Tats, and she's doing these moths with ladyheads that have like several eyes, and I'm interested in getting one of those.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's cool.
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SPEAKER_04: Excited.
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SPEAKER_04: I I contacted her on Instagram, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: We all like social network now.
12:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: So you so you decided to use Instagram for your marketing.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, did you consider other platforms?
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SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, so Facebook uh target demo is uh a more mature audience.
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SPEAKER_04: Um and my target market, like I've taken a lot of education on marketing, as much as I can consume realistically without losing my mind.
13:02
SPEAKER_04: Um I still need more education on Reels.
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SPEAKER_04: People are doing some real rad stuff, but I I chose Instagram because it seems to be uh the age demographic that I prefer and people that are not into talking using um it as a diary to talk about their um like we oh of course seems a little intimate and people want to share like recipes and um stuff like that on there, and I'm I'm interested in seeing pictures and it just seems more fun, right.
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SPEAKER_04: I use Facebook occasionally I'll post on my business one, but that's not really my target demo.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's that's good, it's good to know because you're I mean you're obviously a business person, and me as a business person, I like to get different opinions.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and definitely uh I found that like on Instagram, there's a certain age of people, people a certain age, you know what I mean?
14:19
SPEAKER_00: Like just like you're saying.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and not only that, you gotta know the different you gotta market to each different person on each different platform.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to have a whole bunch at once, you know.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so so when did you decide to start uh like branding yourself as fevered moon?
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SPEAKER_04: Um I planned my self-employment for about two years before I I realized that I couldn't scale any further at the salon that I was employed at.
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SPEAKER_04: And so originally I wanted it to be full moon fever, but it um that was already taken by a band.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:03
SPEAKER_04: And so um, and it needed to be something easy to remember, like two syllables, it can stick in people's minds, plus it's original.
15:15
SPEAKER_04: Um a lot of women are interested in metaphysical things and in moon um moon phases and of course what they mean and how they affect us.
15:38
SPEAKER_04: Um, I liked it, but um, I've always been kind of pretty interested in that in a metaphysical way.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool, yeah, that's pretty cool.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I like how you mentioned that it's uh you couldn't expand anymore from where you were at, and you were there 17 years?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, prior to starting your uh what do you call your business?
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SPEAKER_00: Fevered moon, right?
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, yeah.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: So man, 17 years there, and so you couldn't expand.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean by expand like your your clientele, your your income coming in?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh, what do you mean by that?
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, so when you work for someone as a hairstylist, when you're an employee, a commissioned employee, they can tell you what to wear, the hours to work, they can tell you um you have to take clients that don't bring you joy.
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SPEAKER_04: You can't be as blunt as maybe you could be in your own business.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Um real opinionated, and I have thoughts and opinions and feelings, and and um I was pretty close to burnout, and I was seeing clients that didn't bring me joy, and they were constant complainers, and you can't really fire all of them, right?
16:57
SPEAKER_04: You know, because you have a boss, and then it was like a tier-based uh system, and so you could level up, right?
17:08
SPEAKER_04: So your prices would go up, your commission would go up, but it seemed like I was far as I was as far as they were gonna let me go, and I was ready to take my career up to the next level.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's amazing.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's amazing.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: And and you just decided to do it.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: So were were you like kind of hesitant at first to to kind of make that leap, or was it just like I I mean how you how how did you how did you come to make that decision?
17:40
SPEAKER_00: I know that that was a deciding factor, like you expanding, but uh was it like years in the making, or how how did you come to that initial decision, you know?
17:52
SPEAKER_04: Um I like real talk, I saw that they were they would promote um other people before me, like before I could get any further.
18:07
SPEAKER_04: Other people would be elevated before I was when I had put in the time, energy, and work, and so I was ready for for it to be on my own terms.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, man.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: It's it's tough to difficult to deal with people like that, especially at work, man.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Damn it.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: I too I can totally relate to that.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people can relate to that, you know what I mean?
18:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean I just it's hard to be self-employed, but it's also super freeing and exciting, yeah.
18:43
SPEAKER_04: And so you kind of have to think that you might um that you might um not have any money coming in if you're not careful, yeah.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah, for sure.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: So I so how do you so how do you price like because I looked at your you have they have people book with you, right?
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SPEAKER_00: To uh and I'm pretty sure you have loyal clients, and uh how do you decide?
19:13
SPEAKER_00: And your prices range between thirty dollars to like hundreds of dollars.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: How how do you decide uh that for your customers?
19:22
SPEAKER_04: Like the hour.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, okay.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:29
SPEAKER_04: So it's 120 an hour.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like a like a tattoo artist.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I charge$120 an hour for a haircutting and$110 an hour for chemicals.
19:48
SPEAKER_04: So if you're gonna get highlights, it might take three hours, so it'd be about 3 30.
19:56
SPEAKER_04: And so for additional time, it would just you would just add additional time.
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SPEAKER_04: So there's no it's really no different than most places, except they say, well, a haircut and a highlight is 250, right?
20:16
SPEAKER_04: But what they don't talk about is the extra bowls of bleach and the extra, um, well, in order to prevent your hair from being compromised, stretchy, ruined, or whatever, we're gonna add this additive that's a bond builder.
20:34
SPEAKER_04: It affects the disulfide bonds in your hair.
20:38
SPEAKER_04: So then we're gonna add that.
20:41
SPEAKER_04: Well, your hair's a little long, we're gonna add that.
20:44
SPEAKER_04: So it ends up being round about the same price as mine.
20:48
SPEAKER_04: I just am transparent about it.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
20:53
SPEAKER_04: And I don't accept tips.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
20:56
SPEAKER_04: Why not?
20:57
SPEAKER_04: It's it's built in, it's gratuity-free.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
21:02
SPEAKER_04: So people think, oh my god,$120 for a haircut, and then tip on top of that, right?
21:10
SPEAKER_04: That's a lot of money.
21:12
SPEAKER_04: But think about this: you're getting a conditioning treatment complimentary, you're getting a hot towel treatment complimentary, you're getting a consultation rather than oh, is that what you want?
21:23
SPEAKER_04: I think I get it, and then being way off the mark.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: So and and you so how do you consult how do you consult with with your clients?
21:32
SPEAKER_04: Um face to face.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so face to face.
21:36
SPEAKER_00: So, what are some of the things that y'all talk about in those consultations?
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Because everybody's hair is different.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, do they want a certain thing?
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Do you I mean, how do you help them to to create what they want?
21:47
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
21:49
SPEAKER_04: Um typically they'll bring a visual aid, like a picture um from Pinterest Instagram.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: Instagram.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: So I love it when people bring me my own work.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
22:03
SPEAKER_04: And they'll say, I like the way you did this.
22:07
SPEAKER_04: Or I might want an adjustment here.
22:09
SPEAKER_04: This is my length.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: This is, you know, okay.
22:12
SPEAKER_04: So that takes about five to fifteen minutes.
22:17
SPEAKER_04: It takes longer than 15 minutes and we still haven't reached the decision.
22:23
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't know that what you know we're right for each other at that point.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
22:32
SPEAKER_04: But no, I that's that's never happened in in the last, you know, five or six years.
22:39
SPEAKER_04: That I'm like, eh.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, but we usually um come to the agreement after they we discuss what you want, what you want to look like, how you want to feel when you leave.
22:56
SPEAKER_04: And then just move on from there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: How you want to feel when you leave, all that stuff.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: And so, and most of your clients are so how how many what's the percentage of clients would you say return like returning clients, and what's the percentage that are that are new clients, would you say?
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SPEAKER_04: Typically, almost everyone does.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay, cool.
23:17
SPEAKER_04: Like my retention rate?
23:18
SPEAKER_04: Yes, is pretty high.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's awesome.
23:22
SPEAKER_04: Because if you some people only need to get their haircut twice a year, interesting.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: You can get a bang trim in between.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cool.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Man, that's awesome.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so wow, that's awesome.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: And do you do you like cap yourself like all right, I can only do so many clients, or how does that work for you?
23:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I have strict nine to four work schedule.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I don't work past 4 p.m.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: Is there a reason why you have that strict schedule?
23:55
SPEAKER_04: Because of my like I have a little bit of a routine, a little bit of OCD, so I like to be home at a certain time to like, okay, the dogs need to go out.
24:09
SPEAKER_04: I need to get a shower.
24:10
SPEAKER_04: I need to chill out, and then we need to figure out what's for dinner.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:15
SPEAKER_04: Eat by 6:30.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: That's so is it is it strict?
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh, do you fall off a schedule or is it always like that?
24:26
SPEAKER_04: It's typically like that, always, unless I will make an exception.
24:31
SPEAKER_04: Like somebody DMs me.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: I have a young woman that works at the Harley dealership, and she wanted to get color, but the only day that she could take off, because bike shops are always closed the same days that hairdressers are closed.
24:52
SPEAKER_04: So I came in on a Monday and did her hair.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:55
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, if you're an educator and you can't get off in time, sometimes they'll I'll take you at three and we'll stay till five.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: I like how you meant you mentioned in uh Brittany's podcast that uh that people actually have to find sometimes have to find a babysitter and all that stuff, and it's like uh, you know, uh it's in they're investing time and and and it's cool that you see that, you know what I mean?
25:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, and uh not a lot of a lot of hairdressers.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: I it seems like the the the hairdressers that care about their craft care about that type of stuff.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Would you say that?
25:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I would think so.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: Like if you treat people like people and not an ATM, um you're gonna feel more rewarded all the way around, right?
25:47
SPEAKER_04: Um, and respect people in their time as much as they're respecting you in your time.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Has it always been like that for you?
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Like have you I mean has it always been like that for you to like that sort of care towards your clients or even self or other people, you know?
26:07
SPEAKER_04: Have I have I always been respectful of people in their time?
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, I'd like to think so, but maybe younger me wasn't.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: Maybe younger me was like, fuck, I gotta go to work, and you know, like yeah, yeah.
26:27
SPEAKER_04: But um the more that I've um I guess the more that I've educated myself on the industry and what I'm doing, and the more um focus I've put into it, the more it's been rewarding for all parties concerned.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Wow, amazing.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: And so are you constantly like educating yourself now still?
27:00
SPEAKER_04: Of course, of as much as I can about everything.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: It's like yes, you it could education never stops for us, you know.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, yeah, and it shouldn't because I mean how else are we gonna learn stuff?
27:18
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Some people just stop, you know.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: It's just like dude, you know what I mean?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh maturity doesn't stop at a certain age, you know.
27:26
SPEAKER_04: No, you know, you have to grow and adapt.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to grow and adapt.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean that it helps your person grow, your business grow, all that stuff, man.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: So I so how much do you so uh there I was reading your bio on your website, guys?
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Go check it out, fevered moon.com, right?
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you're about it, and you mentioned on your about page uh science meets art and math to create stunning masterpieces.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: That's very interesting to me.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to explain elaborate a little bit on that?
27:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
27:58
SPEAKER_04: So haircutting is geometry.
28:02
SPEAKER_04: So if you hold hair at a certain degree, you're gonna get look at me, not I it's the it's the computer.
28:14
SPEAKER_04: Um you hold it at a certain degree, you're gonna get zero elevation.
28:19
SPEAKER_04: But the more elevation you put, like if you hold it at nine degrees, 90 degrees, it's gonna fall this way every time.
28:28
SPEAKER_04: No matter what.
28:29
SPEAKER_04: And you can take that and you can adapt and adjust it artistically.
28:37
SPEAKER_04: Um you have chemistry to create color, and you have chemical equations to create color.
28:49
SPEAKER_04: So you have to mix at a certain ratio to oh my gosh, you put thought into all that?
28:56
SPEAKER_04: That is so crazy, which is how it works.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome, man.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: I really like that.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like you you put actually put thought into it, you know what I mean?
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it doesn't seem that way for a lot of hairdressers, and it's it almost seems like that's these are some of the reasons why you charge what you charge.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
29:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's like your time, your time, your experience, your your head knowledge about this stuff is worth something.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
29:32
SPEAKER_00: And and value.
29:34
SPEAKER_04: It's a value.
29:35
SPEAKER_04: Um in the past five years, I spent about ten thousand dollars on education.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Wow, crazy.
29:42
SPEAKER_04: Um, to put things into perspective, I paid I paid um$75 for two boxes of gloves the other day.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
29:51
SPEAKER_04: To order anything from from anywhere for my industry, it's about$17 to$18 of shipping.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
30:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, and it's not the product inside, it's the packaging that has gone up because of everything.
30:11
SPEAKER_04: So, like when we go to the grocery store, everything's gone up.
30:15
SPEAKER_04: So when I sent out the notification that I would be$120 an hour, they had gone up$20 this summer.
30:24
SPEAKER_04: It was at the same time that everything went up, and I think a lot of people had a little bit of a meltdown about it, and I understand that.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: So I'm cool with take your time, save your money, get a good haircut a couple of times a year.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, products.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: So products are costing a lot more than what they were.
30:45
SPEAKER_04: 100%, yeah.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Golly, so you have to factor that into your price as well.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh wow.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: Shipping 20 bucks, 17 to 20 bucks for shipping?
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Holy crap.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, we call okay because of the pound is the poundage and the weight of all the all the stuff that you get.
31:02
SPEAKER_04: It's new, it did not used to be that much.
31:05
SPEAKER_04: Like, I can bo I can order it did not used to be$17 to$20 for shipping.
31:16
SPEAKER_04: And places of up the minimum for free shipping.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dang, it sucks, man.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: It sucks that everything goes up at the at once, and it's like people like because I'm a truck driver.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, my my pay stays the same.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Your salary, my salary, yeah, stays the same.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: You guys can bump it up.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: That's you, because it's your business, you know what I mean?
31:40
SPEAKER_04: Which you have to in order to make any money, yeah, right.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Man, so so the education that you spend your money on, is it it well, it's all about like hair and stuff like that, right?
31:54
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
31:55
SPEAKER_04: So business coaching.
31:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, marketing education.
31:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I have a business coach.
32:01
SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's cool for the beauty industry, like it is specifically for it's made for hairdressers, it by hairdressers that are that own salons all the time.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so what yeah, that's pretty cool.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: So when did you uh has it always been like that?
32:20
SPEAKER_00: To where you you're you invest in yourself education-wise?
32:24
SPEAKER_04: Hell no, it was a job before.
32:28
SPEAKER_04: Um, I'd say within the last like five to ten years, I really like uh I kind of flipped the script on it as opposed to I and now I hyperfixate on it.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: Why why'd you change it?
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Why how how come?
32:47
SPEAKER_00: What's the reason behind that?
32:50
SPEAKER_04: My sound cheesy, but it was my sobriety.
32:54
SPEAKER_04: Like it really had an effect on it.
32:56
SPEAKER_04: Like I realized that I wasn't happy at work because I was getting involved in like petty bullshit, you know, with other coworkers, as opposed to like going, like really focusing on the fact that we're doing art and we're doing looks, and it was just like another person in the chair, another highlight before.
33:18
SPEAKER_04: Now it's like, what can I do to make the most to make you feel the most?
33:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wow.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: So so was that so that's pretty interesting how you mentioned your sobriety, which congratulations.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: What seven years in September?
33:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: Man, congrats.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, that's difficult.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh man, so what would your interacting with your coworkers and all that environment, would that cause you to like drink more?
33:46
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
33:47
SPEAKER_04: I drank like it was my second job.
33:50
SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah, that's funny.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: So, okay, so once you got rid of your second job, you had to replace it with another job.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then um, you know, nourishing my soul with good people and fun people and excited people, and the um the friends that I've collected along the way have been awesome friends, acquaintances, associates.
34:18
SPEAKER_04: Like I've met a lot of really neat people and had a lot of good time.
34:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like it feels more like a party when I go as opposed to a job.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: So you had man, that's so awesome.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Sobriety is congrats on that.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: So you had do you have somebody that works with you, or do you have employees, or what do you call you calling?
34:44
SPEAKER_00: I had an employee.
34:47
SPEAKER_04: Um, it was something that I was gonna do.
34:52
SPEAKER_04: I knew this was gonna come up.
34:53
SPEAKER_04: Um I took a risk um to have somebody, and it's a small space, like it's a it's a suite inside of another salon.
35:10
SPEAKER_04: Okay, um, and then um and it didn't work out.
35:17
SPEAKER_04: Um she felt like she needed to be self-employed, and I realized like I thrive way better without having to worry about another person, right?
35:27
SPEAKER_04: So it kind of worked out better for both of us, onward and upward, like no feelings or anything.
35:37
SPEAKER_04: So I've decided to scale in a different way.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's cool.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: So what's so which way did you decide to scale?
35:44
SPEAKER_04: Uh that's secrets.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, cool, cool.
35:47
SPEAKER_04: It's not it's not ready yet, but you're not ready to unveil it.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Right on is my daughter in the back.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Hi, say hi here.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Hi, here.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Put this in your ear.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Say hi.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: Hi.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Hi.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: So do you do you cut kids here by by any chance?
36:09
SPEAKER_04: Um it's the same price no matter what for who you are, like genderless pricing, ageless pricing, it's all the same.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's still like by the hour.
36:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, as long as they want to sit down and get their hair done.
36:28
SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah, if I'm setting a a kid down would be setting them up for a failure.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: She tells her she has to get it.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: My wife's looking for her charger.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: I was talking to another client and she braided my daughter.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: She's awesome.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, another client, she braids hair.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know her, touched by money, but she was mentioning about having kids um uh doing their hair and stuff, so that's that's definitely another challenge in itself, yeah.
37:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, to a degree, yeah.
37:15
SPEAKER_04: Like if they're really young and they don't want to sit still, then you're setting them up for failure, and it's a disappointment for dism disappointment for them and their time.
37:24
SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, what kid wants to come after school and like they've been forced to be sitting still all day, and then you want to sit still in a salon?
37:35
SPEAKER_04: Like, that's not fun.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: My daughter, my daughter, she actually cut her own hair.
37:43
SPEAKER_04: That's pretty rock and roll.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she cut her own hair, and I was like, Cool, all right.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: You want to get it?
37:47
SPEAKER_00: We'll take you to go get it cut, you know.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that way, because I didn't want to be all jacked up, you know what I mean.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: At least, at least kind of make it, you know, if you're gonna cut it, cut it, make it look nice, you know what I mean.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so yeah, she she cut her hair, and I I didn't get upset, like, oh, don't cut your hair.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Cool, she maybe she's just expressing herself, she wants to try it out.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: Let her try it out, you know.
38:10
SPEAKER_04: I love that, yeah.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: So like yeah, be yourself, exactly, exactly, and uh yeah, and I always teach her that because we're I'm different, you know what I mean?
38:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm not a very sociable, I'm kind of socially awkward to begin with.
38:25
SPEAKER_04: Oh, same.
38:26
SPEAKER_04: I'm so fucking weird, unless I'm in my workspace, exactly, right?
38:31
SPEAKER_00: And it's almost like we're socially awkward to the point to where we've gotten comfortable with being by ourselves, you know, and my daughter's like that, and and I'm just teaching her like, look, we're not like everybody, we're different, the stuff we do is different, and we we gotta be comfortable with that.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's only gonna help us to to continue to grow as people because if we're always worried about somebody's opinion or society's opinion to begin with, it's like it's gonna set us up for failure every time.
39:02
SPEAKER_04: Other people's opinions don't pay my bills.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: That's damn right.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: They don't.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: Nope, they don't, and not at all.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and because I used to be like the because I think I was raised in that sense.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: Because I was I like public school is a killer for for people like us, uh, because they want you to be a certain a certain fit a certain mold, you know?
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's and it's like dude, I I'm never gonna fit into that mold.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: So I and when I realized that, I'm like, then why am I trying to fit in there?
39:36
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
39:37
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
39:38
SPEAKER_04: I mean, for all the kids that got bullied, and all the kids that got like you weren't one of us, you don't have this same socioeconomic uh background, you don't you aren't able to wear the same clothes as us, and you know, small towns are real fucking tough on that.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah, I can yeah, yeah, I can see that for sure, man.
40:03
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: And it's a killer, man.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: It sucks, and I I don't I just despise it so much, you know what I mean?
40:09
SPEAKER_00: It's just like I wish it was different, but it's not, you know.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, money is green in my pocket and your pocket just like everybody else's, you know what I mean?
40:17
SPEAKER_00: And we make it, we make it, we make it every day, you know what I mean.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: We gotta figure out how to make it, and it's almost like we have to have a craft that is good, and we have to be good at our craft to continue to make money.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: We gotta learn how to solve problems, you know what I mean.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if we don't if we don't know how to solve problems, it'd be difficult to find a job.
40:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you solve problems with all your clients because they want it a certain way, all right.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: This is how I solve it, you know what I mean?
40:43
SPEAKER_00: And it's like it's like that with any kind of any craft that you do.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: So I teach my daughter, hey, you learn how to solve problems, and you'll you always have a job somewhere doing something, you know.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's that's what I show her there.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, this is a cool conversation.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: So you uh so have you have you always been like kind of I guess you always have like seems like it kind of oddball and like it's yes, yeah, right?
41:09
SPEAKER_04: I used to have like a foot-tall mohawk.
41:12
SPEAKER_04: Nice, yeah, always the different one.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so did you do you embrace did you embrace that at an early age?
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Would you say that?
41:25
SPEAKER_04: No, no, I was I didn't meet my sister until or my dad's side of my family until I was 15.
41:34
SPEAKER_04: So like I was an only child, I was you know a loner.
41:39
SPEAKER_04: Um growing up in a small town, like never fitting in, right?
41:45
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't until much later when I embraced it.
41:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think I was like 25 or 26 when I started hanging out with the punk rockers here.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
42:00
SPEAKER_04: And then moving on from that just onward and upward with uh it's just celebrating the weird, yeah.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: So you're you're you're at 15?
42:17
SPEAKER_00: No, wait, what'd you say?
42:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so your dad you moved with your dad at 15 or your mom?
42:24
SPEAKER_04: I lived in Missouri.
42:26
SPEAKER_04: I moved here when I was 23, but I didn't meet my dad's side of my family until I was 15.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and they're from here, yeah.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you didn't wow, that's it?
42:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, my dad lives in the bluff.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: Wow, crazy.
42:41
SPEAKER_04: That's how I ended up here.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah, shoot, then bluff people, man.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: They're holding it down over there.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: Indeed.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Indeed, right?
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't mess with them people over there.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh wow, that's crazy.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Man, so 15.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Did you know your dad?
42:58
SPEAKER_00: Did you know your dad's family like before that?
43:01
SPEAKER_00: Like at an like all of my dad's family's over here.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: No, wow, uh-uh.
43:07
SPEAKER_04: I didn't I didn't know anything about Texas or like the people here, I didn't know them.
43:16
SPEAKER_04: So I met my dad, stepmom, sister, cousins, uncles, like when I was 15, and then I moved here when I was 23.
43:27
SPEAKER_04: Wow in the fall of 03.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Fall of 03.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: Wow, man, that must have been a change.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: That was a change for you.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: Was that I mean, at I mean, to know that your father, your dad's family's over here.
43:41
SPEAKER_00: What was that like?
43:42
SPEAKER_00: That must have been crazy.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, it was interesting.
43:48
SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah, when you're like 15 or 16, you're going through so much already hormonally, and like you're dating and all that really like you kind of know, but you don't.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: Do you care that much?
44:02
SPEAKER_04: No, like I still had high school to go through.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:06
SPEAKER_04: So um, I don't know.
44:08
SPEAKER_04: I didn't feel any kind of way about it.
44:10
SPEAKER_04: It was like I didn't feel like my mom kept me from that, or I didn't feel like my yeah, I didn't feel any kind of fucked up way towards my dad or any of that for not being around because it like he didn't really know.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: And wow.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy, man.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: That's a similar situation with me.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: My mom, uh, my biological mom, she left my dad when my me and my brother were two and three years old.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: So, and that was it was it still pisses me off, like even just oh man.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so that happened, and then um she came back into our lives when we were teenagers, right?
44:54
SPEAKER_04: You see that kind of feeling like oh, oh, yeah, oh yeah, exactly, huh?
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and me and my brother, the the dumb the dumb, stupid people that we were at that point, we went to go live with her.
45:10
SPEAKER_04: Oh, because psychologically you needed that psychologically.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we knew that at mom's house we could do whatever we wanted.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: At dad's house, they were it w it wasn't gonna fly.
45:24
SPEAKER_04: Because the love was stronger.
45:25
SPEAKER_04: Your mom was just trying to get acceptance, I'm sure.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that that was uh damn, this is crazy.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: And I had a stepmom too.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: She helped my dad raise us.
45:36
SPEAKER_04: She was the one who held it down then, right?
45:38
SPEAKER_00: Hell yeah.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Hell yeah.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: And now my my kids, uh that's that's their grandma because I finally realized, like, damn, uh this is my mom.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: Because she helped raise us.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Helped my dad, you know, she loved my dad and stuck through it for years.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Man, I don't know, they've been married, I don't know, like 30 or 40 years for a long time.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and they're still married.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: And they had they had two kids together, so I have two brothers, uh, like half-brothers, I guess you can say.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, that was when you mentioned that, I was like, damn, that's that's uh a lot of people under that happens to a lot of people in the culture down here, I think.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: Stepmoms, stepdads, their their parents are gone, and just all just real crazy intertwined families, you know what I mean?
46:32
SPEAKER_04: Listen, uh people who have both parents and grow up with both parents and have never divorced, and it's completely healthy, uh are the exception, not the rule.
46:50
SPEAKER_04: It seems like it's more commonplace for people to have, you know, parents living in different houses, you know.
47:04
SPEAKER_04: I don't think it's that I don't think it's that um I think it's interesting and really exciting when I hear somebody's like mom and dad were there the whole time for all that.
47:19
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, so where do y'all issues come from?
47:21
SPEAKER_04: Somewhere, they come from somewhere, right?
47:24
SPEAKER_00: Right.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: So there's always issues, there's always issues, like force, yeah, right.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: It's like a part of life, and it's like you have to figure out how to handle how to you know get through them, yeah.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh and don't let them define you, you know.
47:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that takes growth, so it takes a lot of growth and time, and yeah, that's awesome.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: All right, uh man, I uh do you have anything else you'd like to share?
47:55
SPEAKER_03: I I don't know.
47:58
SPEAKER_03: I think I'm I think I am good.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, cool.
48:04
SPEAKER_03: Any other questions?
48:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I was looking up Missouri.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: So Missouri, are you do you guys have a barbecue obsession?
48:11
SPEAKER_04: In Kansas City, you're gonna get a little bit of like I actually am a fan of barbecue, yeah.
48:20
SPEAKER_04: So Texas is beef, and most other states are pork.
48:26
SPEAKER_04: Um, so closer to Kansas City, there is a barbecue obsession, it's just a little bit different.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
48:36
SPEAKER_04: I took my state board of cosmetology in Kansas City.
48:41
SPEAKER_04: Okay, but I'm from the Ozarks, yeah.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: So so you guys are fascinated with the Ozarks more than uh Lake Michigan.
48:50
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, like well, Michigan's in a whole nother state, right?
48:56
SPEAKER_00: Right, okay, okay, cool.
48:58
SPEAKER_04: Um the Ozarks are like, did you ever see the show Ozark?
49:07
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not a very avid show watcher.
49:11
SPEAKER_04: Um I'm from about an hour north of Arkansas state line.
49:17
SPEAKER_04: So it's very like hills, mountains, um, a lot of dense forest, beautiful, untouched earth, but it's also very rural and small, like little bitty towns that maybe have a post office.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: The reason why I'm asking you these questions because when we came on before, I was looking at Missouri.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know where it was at.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: I was I'm not I suck at that stuff.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: I looked it up, I was like, oh, okay, it's right here.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, uh, things to know about Missouri, you know what I mean?
49:57
SPEAKER_00: And that's why I'm asking you these questions because these questions came up.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so let me, I don't know, let me run these by you and see if they're true.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so you guys are have so let me see.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: I we talked about the Ozarks, the barbecue obsession.
50:10
SPEAKER_00: Is cow tipping an unofficial sport?
50:13
SPEAKER_04: No, but I'm the weirdo that's scared of cows.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: Like, how can what the fuck?
50:20
SPEAKER_04: You're gonna go out there in this field, like everybody's like, it's fine, it's fine.
50:25
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna okay.
50:27
SPEAKER_04: No shit.
50:28
SPEAKER_04: People would have parties in a pasture.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, for real.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: And like, there's like cows not far, and there's gonna be like a fire, and then everybody's got their cars in a circle around like a fire, yeah, drinking beer out of a can, and inevitably it'll be like um days and confused style, like some older dude with his like classic car that he's down for years, and he's like hanging out with like 20-something year olds, and you're like, he needs the fuck on.
51:06
SPEAKER_04: It's like that, but no, I've never like tipped a cow, but I'm kind of like, are there like are there cows?
51:12
SPEAKER_04: Like, did you move people have to move their cattle from like one pasture to another?
51:21
SPEAKER_04: And it's a farm, like here it's a ranch, there it's a farm.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, crazy.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: So cow tipping, next thing, uh, tornadoes.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: Do you run or not run?
51:34
SPEAKER_04: You don't have time to run.
51:38
SPEAKER_04: It's a warning, a siren goes off and it's there.
51:46
SPEAKER_04: Like it's a storm system that'll open up quick.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's crazy.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: That's scary.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: All right, so last one is uh the the only spices you need are salt, pepper, and ketchup.
52:00
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, like it's so true.
52:08
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: When I first moved here, table salsa was too hot for me.
52:14
SPEAKER_04: Now I'm like, give me all of the peppers.
52:19
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I mean, people kind of see, I mean, I don't mean to be an asshole, but yeah, like that's pretty bland.
52:26
SPEAKER_04: Like you're it's the land of the mayonnaise like potato salad.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, cool.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh there was another one about like I think Budweiser or Bud or something like that.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: I didn't write it down.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, so the and then the net the other one is Cardinals, Royals, Rams, or Chiefs.
52:46
SPEAKER_04: Uh the Kansas City Chiefs, no.
52:49
SPEAKER_04: No, that's the football Cardinals, baseball, Royals, Kansas City, Royals.
52:59
SPEAKER_04: Okay, first of all, like when it comes to basketball, I'm a college basketball fan, and I'm a Kansas basketball fan, KU all the way.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, crazy, crazy.
53:09
SPEAKER_04: Um, I would say the Royals over the Cardinals.
53:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, all right.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool, cool, cool.
53:15
SPEAKER_04: I've never been to St.
53:16
SPEAKER_04: Louis.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
53:18
SPEAKER_00: It's funny to me how it's like it's like half of it is uh Missouri and the other half is uh which state?
53:24
SPEAKER_04: Kansas City.
53:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh my god, that's so line, and it'll say now entering Kansas.
53:30
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's so cool.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, Melissa, thanks a lot for coming on to the show.
53:39
SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me on.
53:41
SPEAKER_04: It was fun.
53:44
SPEAKER_04: And you have a wonderful uh holiday weekend.
53:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, holiday weekend.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: Real quick before we go, uh, how do we find you online?
53:53
SPEAKER_04: You can find me at Instagram at fevered moon, and then I have a website, fevermoon.com.
54:01
SPEAKER_04: I don't really mess with it.
54:02
SPEAKER_04: I need to really update everything on there.
54:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then yeah, you can DM me or book an appointment.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: I'll leave links in the description as well.
54:14
SPEAKER_04: Cool, thanks.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: Okay, nice.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: Have a good day.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: You too.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: You too.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay, bye.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: Bye.