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Jerm Warfare - Todd Hayen on what it means to be evil · UK Column Radio

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So you send me a copy of your your book.
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And I was just saying to you now before we started recording that
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I promised I would write a blurb for the front of it and I
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didn't. So I will I will promise to
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write a blurb for your next book.
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I think I would have sold several thousand more copies if
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you had, so I'm going to blame you for that.
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I have a suspicion it's the exact opposite.
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I think your book would have been censored if my name was in
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the. Well, that would have made it.
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That would have made it a hot a hot hit if it were censored.
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Yeah. I'm still waiting for them to
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come and arrest me and put me in gaol.
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Let. Me, just open the PDF version so
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I can chat to you about it while we're while we're talking here.
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So the view of the shrew unmasking the truth.
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That's the name of the book. Yep.
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Yep, that's the name of it. What made you?
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What made you write the book? Put it together or compile it or
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whatever. Well, yeah, it's a compilation.
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You know, I love the idea of writing books.
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I've written a a couple that are out there.
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One of them is very personal about the, the ordeal with my
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wife dying of cancer. And the other is ancient Egypt
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and, and the, the basic cosmology of the ancient
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Egyptians and how it applies to personal psychology, this idea
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of consciousness of the heart as opposed to consciousness of the
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intellect, which is what we're totally mired in in our modern
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time, is consciousness of the intellect.
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So that's, those are those the, the, and you know, I knew I was
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writing all these articles for Shrew views and I've written
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right now it's over 500, which I can't believe.
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I can't believe that much has been squeezed out of me.
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And I just, you know, I, I always intended to write or to
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put together a compilation because this is like 42 articles
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from the past four years. And is it four years or five
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years? I think it might be 5 now.
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But I think it says 2022. It starts, it starts in 2022
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because that's really I think shrew view's the the subsects
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started in 2022. I started, the first article I
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wrote was for Off Guardian, and that was 2021, I think July of
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2021. So we were in the midst of it,
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you know, of the whole COVID insanity.
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And you know, that's what inspired me, got me going.
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And of course, we have mutual friend Kit Knightley, who's
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brilliant editor of Off Guardian.
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And that's how I found you because I think you contacted
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him after. Do you remember that at all?
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Vaguely. You have so many people.
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Yeah, because he contacted me and he said you were you were
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looking to to chat with me and that you were a great guy and
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your German warfare was a great programme.
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And so I contacted you and history was made.
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I actually do remember that, yeah.
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And funny you mention of Guardian.
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It was one of the very first alternative media outlets that I
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decided to look for. Well, let me rephrase that.
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One of the very first that I found when I was trying to
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figure out the whole COVID thing back in 2020.
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What a great Yeah, same here. Publication.
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Yeah, what a great publication it is.
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Yeah, and I, I can't remember how I found it.
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I'm sure somebody told me about it because I.
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I think you probably found it along the same lines as I found
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it. Basically, yeah, Probably trying
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to find out like what was COVID or where did it come from at
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that stage? Because I didn't question its
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existence. I questioned if it was bad or
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mild, you know? Yeah, it's so interesting when
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you talk to people about their first experience with with
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realising that the whole thing was was bunk and, and how that
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came about I I can't remember exactly.
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Of course, like like piece, piece by piece information, but
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it was it. It wasn't so much that the
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government is corrupt and trying to kill us all.
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It was, it was just just the way the whole thing was structured
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just made no sense. It just didn't add up as making
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any sense. And then it just went from
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there. And of course, off guarding was
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a big part of that, of that education of, of understanding
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what was going on. So I, I was writing for them
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every week. And then then I did this, this
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Shrewview sub stack and did two or three articles a week with
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that. And then after a couple of years
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of it, decided I wanted to put out the book.
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And so that's it. And the book came out in June,
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so. One of the first things that I
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saw in your book that I love is this this font that you use for
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the for the titles. It is a great font.
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The the the the actual letters swinging from left to right.
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I love it. That's so cool that you noticed
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something like that. I, I spend a lot of time on
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those kinds of details. And it was funny when I first
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put the book up, I think it was on Amazon, the the PDF version
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of it, the electronic version, they changed all that or
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somebody did. I don't know if it was Amazon
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that did somebody, somebody changed it all and sent the book
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back to me and said, Hey, prove this.
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And all the fonts were changed. And I said, no way.
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You know, it's like the fonts are a big part, especially the
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title fonts. I mean, the the book font is a
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standard Garman I think, but the title fonts and and whatever, I
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spent a lot of time setting that up and making it right at school
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that somebody actually notice that.
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So think. It's great.
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It's it's got so much character. Excuse me.
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And the other thing I noticed is the So what is Oroboros
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Publishing? Is that is that independent or
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is that? It's just made up.
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Oh, it's. Just made up.
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It's me. It's my because.
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It's the snake eating itself. It's that.
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Yeah, right. Good thing that.
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Yeah, the Oroboros, and I spelled it AAUR, like the sound
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because I'm the music thing. But yeah, that's the oroboros
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has always been a symbol that I've been fascinated with the
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idea of life returning. And, you know, there's all kinds
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of symbology around the snake and eating its tail and and
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whatever. It's very ancient, been around
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forever. So yeah.
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Your font selection has for me immediately made it appealing.
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Great. Good.
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So if you're in the store or looking at it, of course it's
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not available anywhere in a store.
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You can thumb through it. I think you can do that on
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Amazon too. You can, you can read through
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parts of it before you buy it. So you'll see the font, because
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the font did stick with the ebook too.
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The only thing that's not in the ebook are the the graphics in
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it, because there's a whole thing about the size of the
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ebook that you can't. You can't get the same
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percentage or I can't remember. So they're weird.
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Your book is basically a collection of your Substack
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articles. Do you have any favourites?
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You know, I do, but I, I can't recall them.
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I, when I went through it, I had to choose the 42 out of probably
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about 150 or or more 200 or so that I had to, I had to pick
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them. So I did, I did go through them
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and kind of go, I like this one a little better than this one
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and did did have some thought behind picking them.
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And I would say if, if I really sat down and went through
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everything I thought about it, I, I probably would come up
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with, with favourites. And I do, I publish every week
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on Off Guardian still. And I pick one out of the, the
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couple, you know, I pick one out of my 300 that or 500 that I
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have to publish there. So I do spend some time figuring
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out what Off Guardian would like.
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And believe me, it's limited. It's it's limited not so much
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because of Kit. I'm sure Kit would be open with.
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I mean, he's never, he's never rejected anything I've sent.
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But the readers there, they're man, they are, they're there's a
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lot of them that are wonderful and have been very
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complimentary, but then there's a handful of pretty, pretty
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nasty types. Now, I don't, I don't think this
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is a glitch that's happening over there, but but my screen
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goes blank every couple of minutes.
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I hope. I'm hoping OK.
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I'm hoping that's just me. It's it's it's the system trying
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to trying to reset. That's right, that's right.
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Trying to get rid of me. But I mean, if somebody were to
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now open your book, they've got a lot to read.
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I mean, I mean, if you just look at all the titles, they're just,
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it's just so much stuff. I mean, you cover a wide variety
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of talking points. Yeah, I do.
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And you know, I've gotten, I've gotten people there.
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There's some people I won't name in my family that are totally on
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the left side and they've never read anything I've written.
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And they, they claim that I'm this like horrible, but I mean,
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what, whatever the worst thing you can imagine Trump supporter,
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the anti government, anti authority, which which that's
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kind of true. But you know, and, and most of
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the stuff I write, at least I feel this way is, is coming from
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a place in the heart. I mean, it's very, it's not
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necessarily hopeful because I don't get into solutions, but
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it's, it's observation and it's my observation.
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I'm not an expert. I mean, if I'm an expert in
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anything, it's, it's a bit in psychology, but I wouldn't even
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call myself an expert in that. But it's a, you know, I know
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psychology fairly well and I know certainly archetypal
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psychology, union psychology, which I do write a lot about,
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but it's, it's more of observation.
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I think that's why the, the sub stack is popular, because I
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can't tell you the number of times that people will write.
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I was just thinking this, you know, I, I, it's, it's amazing
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to me that, that you think along the same lines I do and
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whatever. And it's not, it's not
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simplistic. So it isn't a common
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denominator. I mean, in some ways it is, but
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I go into a bit of detail about why I'm feeling the way I do
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about something in particular. And, you know, I think that's
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why it's popular. I mean, it's like an everyday
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man, you know, comment on what's happening with a little bit of
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philosophical, spiritual, psychological insight that I
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think people like they, they like to hear things put into
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words that they might not feel they could put into words.
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I mean, they probably could, but I'm not saying that it's special
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in that sense and I'm some brilliant writer or something,
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because I know that's not true, but.
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No, I'm not a brilliant writer. Yes.
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Thank you. I'm not I mean I'm not, believe
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me. I've read some brilliant
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writing, obviously, and it ain't me but but you know, it's funny.
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It's it's tongue in cheek a lot of times, you know, I try to
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play with words and, and make things laughable here and there,
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you know, whatever. So it's it's I.
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Was joking, obviously. I think you are a pretty good
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writer. I mean you have to be if you are
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already looking at good fonts, I think, I think that adds that
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adds to the the overall experience.
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But I was thinking one of the one one of the underlying
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threads, unless I've got this wrong in in your writing is
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you've got a little bit of a jaded outlook, Am I right?
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I if if we're defining jaded the same way, yeah.
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I, I, I have a lot of, I don't know if this is what you're
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saying, but I, I have a lot of frustration and confusion about
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humankind in general. I'm, I'm blown away by how it,
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it lack of a better word, how stupid the majority of people
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are, how blind or how naive or whatever that, that people in
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general have proven to be through all of this.
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And I'm not, I'm not saying that to, to give it any kind of like,
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oh, well, we're superior because we see what's going on.
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But I mean, if you're going to, if you're going to measure it
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that way, you could measure it that way.
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Because I, I think if everybody were like us, and I'm not saying
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that we're brilliant. There's some of us that are
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brilliant. I mean, you could be brilliant.
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I'm fine with thinking. That.
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Yeah, I mean, that's OK. There are definitely a lot of us
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who who are brilliant on this side, but they're brilliant
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people on the other side of this fence as well.
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So I don't think brilliance really has a lot to do with it.
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But anyway, the point is, is that I think if everybody or the
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majority of people were thinking the way we do, we wouldn't be
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having a problem. And in anything really, I mean,
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we'd have little problems like, like we always do.
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I mean, even even really the, the, the most heartfelt people
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can make mistakes and whatever. But this, this is the, the thing
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that I've come to understand. I think most people that's
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listening to this agree with this that they came to this
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understanding as well. The understanding really is, is
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that this whole system is an agenda.
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It has a purpose behind it and that purpose isn't for our, our
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good. And they may, they may pretend
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it is. I mean, like if you're dealing
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with a whole huge mass of people and you can do anything you want
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with them and say you have a mass of like 8 billion people
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and there's not enough food to feed them or whatever.
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Then, then the first thing you would do is, I mean, it's like
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it's, I don't know if you've ever bred tropical fish, but
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there's a thing about culling. You know, you, you, you get,
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just get rid of the ones you don't want.
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And you know, obviously this is the eugenics idea and that
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that's functioning here in a pretty big way.
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And, you know, when you're dealing with masses, I mean,
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the, the people that are calling the shots can say, well, if we
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don't do this, the whole world's going to go to hell and
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everybody will starve. So if we get rid of half of the
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people, then the other half will be fine.
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And now that's a really simplistic example.
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OK, It's not quite as as simplistic as that.
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It doesn't have to be genocide. It doesn't have to be killing
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everybody, although it kind of looks like that's that's what
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they're focusing on to some degree.
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And so, you know, they can say, well, we did the best thing for,
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for, for the, the people. And you could, you can look at
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it that way. You can say, well, the agenda
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and, and, you know, most of the people on the left that I talk
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about and talk about the what the 17 sustainable developments
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of the UN, whatever that is, I can't remember exactly what it's
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called. I think that's right.
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You know, they, they look at that and they go, well, that's a
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pretty good idea. I mean, those are good things,
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you know, to to to make everybody, to eliminate poverty
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and to make clean water and all of that.
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And you go, yeah, but how are you going to get to that?
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You've got to consider what you're, what you're going to do
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to get to those, to those extremes and those ideological
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sets. And nobody seems to think about
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that. And you have a mass of people
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like the population of the world, and they all have the
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right to live their lives. And yeah, you can make their
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lives better, but you don't get rid of them or you don't put
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them in such a place. You have total control so that
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then you can divvy out, you know, enough food or enough
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healthcare or enough clean water or whatever it is that you as an
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agenda has decided is going to be rationed off.
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I mean, we hear about all this all the time, you know, with the
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social credit scores and the this and the that and everybody
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thinks it's for our own good and it's it's not.
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And I wouldn't be surprised at the upper echelon, the agenda
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actually is clearly evil and nefarious that they don't even
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think they're doing a good thing.
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And that's where that's where you get into kind of mucky water
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with with that idea, because it's hard to prove that.
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It's hard to prove that these people that are calling these
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shots don't think they're doing something good.
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But I don't know. What do you think of that?
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I mean, do you think they know they're they're, they're evil?
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Do you think they're like Ike's lizard people or or the devil or
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whatever? I've thought about this.
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No, I don't think they're, I don't think they think they're
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evil. I don't think Charles Schwab or
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Bill Gates or somebody in the Black Nobility or whatever.
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I don't think they wake up in the morning and and think right,
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how I'm going to, how am I going to be evil today?
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No, I don't think. I don't think anybody actually
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thinks that they're evil. I don't even think a murderer or
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a rapist thinks that they're evil.
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They might, they might, they might say I made a mistake or it
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was AI was drunk or I was angry or something.
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I don't, I don't know if anybody anywhere thinks that they are
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evil. I don't even think Satanists or,
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you know, those sorts of people think they're evil.
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I think, I think the the idea of of evil itself, like the
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definition, I think that shifts depending on on who's looking.
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Yeah. And what you're saying, I think
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it makes an assumption that people are of sound mind because
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I would totally agree with you with people that are sound mind.
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But there is a psychopathology, there is an insanity that can
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seep in that causes people to to believe what they're doing is in
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service to what we would define as evil.
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And. And they're looking for power.
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They're looking for whatever it is that their senses tell them
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is important to them. Yeah.
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And Dan if? It's, it's also always the other
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person who's evil. If you look at, let's just zoom
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out right and look at it's a Gaza.
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Now you've got the Zionist lobby that sees them as the great evil
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and we must wipe them out because they are the evil ones.
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If you, if you switch it around, they'll say no, no, no, it's,
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it's the Zionists who are evil. We are the innocent ones.
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And in many ways there, there are degrees of, of, I suppose of
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evil. But it's never the person
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accused of being evil who is the one who will reflect and go,
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yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm the evil 1. Yeah.
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I, I think if you look at using Gaza and Israel as an example,
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neither one of those sides are going to say we're evil and that
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they will both say the other side is evil.
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But that again is assuming that that what information we receive
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about that is accurate, that and the information we receive about
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it. I don't mean the detail
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information, I mean the general idea that you've got 2 factions
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that are warring with one another and killing one another.
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And if that is true, then what you just said makes perfect
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sense. But I don't think it's that
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simple. I I mean, I think that there is
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an agenda in all of that. I mean, I can't prove it.
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And no, no, no I'm not. I'm not 100% there, but.
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Sorry, I'm jumping in here, but I agree with you.
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There is an agenda and I think there are multiple agendas.
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I don't think there's just one agenda.
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But what I'm saying to you is unless and unless David Icke is
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right. We always got that it changes
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everything it. Changes everything.
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Oh, it does. But let's just for the just for
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the moment, assume that there are no reptilians, right?
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There are no shape shifting people out there.
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Then they're all human. And because they're human, they
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suffer from the same condition as you and I.
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And and that is that they will think that they are acting
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righteously. I don't think, I don't think
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Klaus Schwab actually thinks that he's going to make the
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world a worse place. I think he genuinely thinks
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whether we think it's evil or not, he genuinely thinks going
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down a technocratic route is for the betterment.
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On mankind. Yeah.
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It was just what I was saying a minute ago.
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It's like, you know, if you can move masses of billions of
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people around in a particular way, you could end up with a
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culture that could last a very long time and everybody, you
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know, be relatively happy or whatnot.
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And and who cares about all the ones that fall off the edge, the
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useless eaters, you know, as as they say.
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But but yeah, I mean, I, I agree with you.
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I mean, I think that if we do have reptilians and if we do
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have a true. It changes everything it.
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Changes everything and you know, that's why that's why those
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ideas are popular. I mean, I just wrote an article
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that I think it was the devil made me do it was the title of
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it and you know, I I addressed that possibility that maybe this
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evil is actually Incarnate. Maybe it is a physical devil or
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or even not even necessarily material, but still an
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autonomous entity. That or or Ike's idea of the
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shapeshifter. You know that I mentioned that
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in the article. And if that's the case, then you
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know we've got a totally different game.
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Well, look, going back to to David Ike, France's leader,
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who's been on my show, did one of the most fascinating episodes
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with me. I think that I've I've ever done
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and she spoke about the Black Nobility and these are the the
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true sort of controllers of the world.
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And you're talking about about like 13 bloodlines or something.
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Now, she doesn't claim that they're reptilians or shape
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shifters or whatever, but what is very, very profound is the
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overlap between what she's saying what what David is saying
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that these people have no sense of ethics or morality at all.
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OK, so that makes them completely sociopathic.
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Right, right. So, so we see that as evil.
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They just don't see it as anything.
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They just see it as well we need to, we need to depopulate the
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world because we need a better world in which to live.
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Yeah. I mean, you're getting into some
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really interesting stuff because we could like say, well, what is
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what are they doing it totally self serving?
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Is it like they see a world that they would be more comfortable
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in with? Their self serving Todd because
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they're not the ones who want to depopulate themselves.
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No, no, but but generally social pathology or psychopathology is
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individual, right? It's it's like you don't it like
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was Hitler self self serving or, or was did he have a vision of a
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world with, you know, and I mean, he's a he's always a good
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example to use with stuff. Like this, just make it on
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everything, yeah, everything goes back that's.
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Right. I mean, when you think about the
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whole world, like like think about a a Hitler figure or a
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group of people who represent the Hitler concept, they have a
26:40
vision of what the world would be best to be.
26:44
Is that totally personal? Because then they can fly around
26:47
in their jet and they can go to fancy places and have lobster
26:50
every night or whatever. Or is it that they actually are
26:55
slaves to their own vision of what the world is and it just so
27:00
happens they have to destroy half of it to make it what they
27:03
want it to be? So it's an ideology.
27:07
It's it's not necessarily an individual because that you can
27:11
individually be very comfortable just going around, you know,
27:15
killing a few people and stealing a couple of $1,000,000
27:18
here and there, buy your jet, whatever and fly around.
27:22
You can do that for the individual self.
27:24
Still psychopathology, but but not mass.
27:29
And and that's, I think that's what we're dealing with.
27:32
And you know, I do believe what you just said that people that
27:36
reach that point lose all sense of empathy as humans.
27:41
They don't see other humans as the same as they see themselves.
27:46
They see them the same way we see ants.
27:48
I've written about this a lot of times.
27:50
You know, ants are getting in your house, you kill them, you
27:54
know, you wipe them out, you get rid of them.
27:56
You don't think about them. You don't think about the
27:58
individual aunt family who has babies and what that doesn't
28:02
really exist. So they become something that is
28:05
other and very easy to identify as other.
28:09
And so you don't. You don't have to be a a
28:12
reptile, and you also don't have to believe in an entity like the
28:18
devil in order to do what you just described.
28:22
Well, atheists, I mean, even Satanists, who for the most part
28:26
are atheists, they don't believe in an entity called the Devil.
28:31
I don't know enough about the actual programme.
28:35
Well, I know that because I interviewed, what do you call
28:38
it, a priest or Deacon or whatever elder whatever from
28:42
from the Church of Satan. And he and he he argues that the
28:47
way they see the devil is abstract.
28:51
It's not. It's not the way that Christians
28:55
claim that they see the devil. But.
28:58
But that's neither here nor there.
29:00
Yeah. It kind of, I mean, that's fine
29:03
and that doesn't really change anything.
29:05
I mean, we most people believe in God, but they don't believe
29:08
God sits on a throne with a long white beard.
29:13
They believe in Jesus because he was a physical being on earth at
29:17
a period of time, but they don't see him that I don't think they
29:21
see him as a physical being anymore.
29:25
I'm pretty sure they don't. If there are any Christians out
29:27
there, please correct me because I don't necessarily know
29:30
everything about that. And I would think that they're
29:32
different groups of Satanists and Luciferians or whatever that
29:36
may that may think of things differently.
29:38
They certainly see the symbology.
29:40
I think now you could tell me, tell me if I'm wrong with this
29:43
because you've you've actually spoken with them and I have not.
29:47
But I, I think they do see the symbology of the devil with
29:51
that. Whatever that goat figure is, I
29:54
never can pronounce its name. It starts with AB.
29:59
Oh, fat or something. Yes, yeah, whatever that is.
30:04
So there's a lot of symbology, I think the same way as there is
30:08
with, with God, God fearing people, the lack of better
30:11
words. You know, there's a lot of
30:13
symbology in, in the master of the universe, The, the idea of,
30:19
of the, the God that overseas higher power, whatever people
30:24
like to call that. I can see the, the the devil
30:28
people doing the same thing, but I'm not quite sure where the
30:32
idea of destruction and what we're calling evil here comes
30:37
into that. It's very natural for me to
30:40
think of good things that things like no suffering and beauty and
30:45
love and and happiness as being the drive, you know, that
30:51
creates the God that sees over that.
30:53
What, where does suffering and death and destruction?
30:57
Where does that become a drive for people other than to have
31:02
power and that that seems like a very materialistic kind of
31:07
binding. One of my guests made an
31:10
interesting argument. He says that evil doesn't exist,
31:15
and that's people just behave or act in a form of madness or
31:20
psychosis. And I've thought about this
31:25
because it's a very interesting claim.
31:27
And yeah, we can define evil, but evil is always defined from
31:35
the other person. It's never the person who is
31:40
evil who is defining it. So in other words, in other
31:45
words, everybody's pointing fingers at everybody else saying
31:47
that's evil or they're evil. We don't like the way the
31:49
Chinese handle animals. We think that they're evil.
31:54
They'll go over. We don't like the way that you
31:55
do XY and Z. So that's evil.
31:57
So everybody else is evil. And so therefore, if everybody
32:01
else is evil, does evil even exist?
32:05
Well, evil in in my view, evil is a as a thing as even as a
32:11
quell as a concept, it does evils like comparing evil with
32:16
good is like comparing hot and cold.
32:18
And now evil is a result of the lack of of God.
32:23
It's like the lack of of being aware that there is more to life
32:27
other than the physical. I think evil, I think, and this
32:30
is just my opinion. I think evil only exists in the
32:33
material realm. It's so the material life of
32:39
filled with fear and belief that that the material is the end all
32:46
that death will take you at any moment and once you're dead,
32:49
you're dead and you're gone. Then that spawns evil.
32:54
It spawns evil action to preserve the material
32:59
individually, you know, selfishly for self as long as
33:03
possible and to fill that period with as much sensory
33:08
satisfaction as possible, which means consuming, whether it be
33:13
drugs or jets or anything material that that power, having
33:19
power over other people, being able to to eliminate people,
33:23
whatever. That's where the evil comes
33:25
from. And it's a lack of of God.
33:27
It's a lack of understanding that the material life is not
33:30
the end all, that it's only an experience that that will end at
33:37
some point. Maybe it continues in a
33:39
reincarnation area. Who cares?
33:41
I mean, it's like it's not, it's not the entire purpose of being.
33:45
But Todd, that's again you pointing fingers because that
33:50
person with all the yachts and and the material items that that
33:56
person doesn't think that he's evil.
33:58
I don't think that in and of itself is evil.
34:01
I think it's the acquisition that can be evil.
34:05
And you know, I'm not arguing with you.
34:07
I I mean, I agree with that. That's that's a bit of a, you
34:10
know, kind of an esoteric way to look at everything that's
34:14
esoteric. I mean, we don't anything that
34:17
has any depth and meaning to to it is I mean, it's, it gets
34:21
complicated. Like what is good?
34:23
You know, I mean, what is morality?
34:25
What is moral? I mean, my, my psychotherapist
34:30
who, who is a great prolific writer and has been around
34:34
forever. And, and I think we talked about
34:36
this last time, this idea of the Nietzsche concept.
34:39
And I don't know enough about it to even say I shouldn't even say
34:42
anything. I shouldn't associate it with
34:44
Nietzsche because it could be totally wrong.
34:46
But it's this idea of morality, that morality is a human
34:49
construct, that there really is no way.
34:52
And it's an individual human construct.
34:54
It's just what you're saying. It's like, I can point to
34:56
somebody who just cut the ears off of a dog and say they're
35:00
evil where, you know, maybe in some countries that's a delicacy
35:04
to eat dog ears. I I don't know.
35:06
And, and to them, it's not evil at all.
35:09
So what is it that that makes it evil?
35:12
Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm, that's what I'm asking, because
35:15
that was the comment that was made by a previous guest.
35:19
And I forget who the guest was who said this, but it was very
35:23
interesting. You forgot who a guest was.
35:26
Do you forget who I am after I leave?
35:29
Of course I try my very I try my very best to forget you.
35:33
That that's that's evil. This is why I keep inviting you
35:37
back, so that I don't forget. That's good.
35:41
Great. Anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted
35:43
you. No, no, no, no, no, no.
35:44
I've been interrupting you also. It's just because it's.
35:48
What do you call this? Like it's a free flow of, of, of
35:51
ideas here. And I'm just just kind of
35:53
roughing on on the idea of evil. But I look, I'll shoot myself in
35:59
the foot and say, yes, I do think evil exists.
36:02
And in a very simple kind of way.
36:03
Let's say there's an old lady sitting on a chair on the side
36:06
of the road. And I go up to her and I tell
36:10
her that that I think she's wonderful.
36:14
I hope she has a lovely day and maybe give her a flower or
36:16
something and then go on my way. Now, that's obviously a good
36:21
act. It's a, it's a, it's an act of
36:23
kindness or just a, if you genuinely mean it, it's, it's
36:27
just a beautiful thing to do. Now, if I go up to and I start
36:31
swearing at her for no reason and slap her laugh and then run,
36:36
now that's very obviously a bad act.
36:41
It's a it's, it's a, you could even say it's a, it's an evil
36:44
act. And unless I'm psychotic, I
36:49
should know that. You know, what you're, what
36:54
you're boiling down to, which which makes perfect sense is
36:57
evil. What we can redefine evil just
37:00
to say from a human perspective, it's a lack of empathy.
37:05
And you know, it's a lack of connection with love.
37:10
So you don't like that either? No.
37:11
No, no, no, no. I'm not sure.
37:14
I think it was Steve Jobs who Once Upon a time, it might have
37:18
not been Steve, but but OK. I can't remember, but I think it
37:21
might have been him where he made the comment that too much
37:26
empathy leads to an unsuccessful life.
37:30
In other words, if if, if you've got empathy all over the place,
37:36
you don't go anywhere. You don't succeed because you
37:39
you're so worried about other people.
37:42
And it is. That's a.
37:43
Different thing. That's a different thing now.
37:46
Oh, is it I? I think so.
37:48
I I think that's codependence. That's that's I mean, yeah.
37:53
No, no, I'm not. I'm not arguing with you.
37:55
It's just, you know, too much of anything typically does not
38:00
serve well for anybody. It's certainly too much empathy
38:04
becomes codependent. Let me, sorry, let me let me
38:07
rephrase those thoughts because OK, in hindsight, I was just
38:12
throwing out word sellers, but the less, OK, hang on, how do I
38:18
say this? A lack of empathy can correlate
38:23
to success in in your career, for example, because you're not
38:30
worrying about those around you. This is so.
38:35
In other words, if you look at those people who are successful,
38:39
are they empathetic? No, they're evil.
38:45
Wait, I must, I need to have a sound effect.
38:48
I'm sure. Yeah, I must have a sound
38:50
effect. We just go around in a circle
38:57
there. No, I mean the argument, the
38:59
argument with that is just, you know, is success in business.
39:03
The end all is, is that the purpose of life is to be
39:06
successful. No, no, that's.
39:09
A material success. And sure, you could stomp on
39:11
everybody's face to be successful.
39:14
It doesn't necessarily mean, it doesn't necessarily mean you're
39:18
evil for sure, but you're within that.
39:22
Yeah. You know, I think again, it's a
39:24
bell curve like almost everything is.
39:26
There's like the centre of the bell curve where you can have
39:29
great success and also be a really wonderful person,
39:33
altruistic and loving and whatever, but still be very
39:36
successful there. There is a place where where
39:40
that happens. But I think the outliers to that
39:42
are people that are ridiculously materially successful.
39:47
And that's when I'm, when I use the word success, I mean
39:49
materially successful, it's a whole different thing.
39:53
If you're, you know, if you're of the heart successful, which
39:57
generally doesn't bring you a lot of material goods.
40:02
Now, of course, you go into new thought and you go into that
40:05
philosophy. Then being good in the heart
40:08
creates material success, because the material world is
40:11
part of that. But it's definitely, it's
40:14
definitely relative because so like a Bushman success to him
40:21
might be being able to feed his family.
40:23
That's right, that's right. And when you have non materials,
40:28
the cultures like that, that's usually what it is.
40:31
You know, if they have if they have a weapon that they can go
40:34
kill animals with to feed the family, then that's their
40:37
material success. That's that's what you can have.
40:40
But but there isn't much else. I mean, they don't have TV's,
40:43
they don't have cars, they don't have big mansions.
40:45
So there isn't a lot of other sensory extravagance that they
40:51
long for. I mean, this is basically a
40:54
European thing, I think. I mean, you know, anybody out
40:57
there that that understands that better than I do.
40:59
It's like most of you probably. But it, it, it is interesting
41:03
how most of this material focus came, came from European
41:07
cultures that, that have moved, you know, around the world and,
41:12
and whatever the, the indigenous peoples of, of most, most lands
41:19
in the world are not materially focused.
41:23
And they're known for that. You know, we talk about that all
41:26
the time. Like they're no one with nature
41:28
and all of that kind of thing, which, which has significance in
41:31
what we're talking about because we're all caught up in this
41:33
materially focused culture, which is worldwide now, which is
41:38
global. I don't think you can go
41:40
anywhere where you don't have it.
41:42
Because when people see other people with it, they want it.
41:46
And that's what we call success. You know, Third world means
41:50
they're not as materially successful as first world.
41:55
It's not. It has nothing to do with the
41:57
goodness of their heart. Nobody measures, you know, great
42:02
cultures that way. So I mean, do you think those
42:07
things are important? Do I think what?
42:11
Do you, I mean genuinely, do you think those things are
42:13
important? I guess it comes down to the
42:15
question as in what is the purpose of waking up in the
42:17
morning? That's ultimately then the
42:18
question. Well, don't don't you think that
42:22
one of the primary problems with the world now is that people are
42:26
too materially focused, that they're consumers?
42:30
I do think so, but at the same time though, it depends because
42:36
you have to break apart some of the stuff, you know what I mean?
42:39
Like you do need a car for the most part I mean.
42:44
In this culture, in the culture you do.
42:46
Sure you're right. Yeah.
42:47
Yeah. And also, that's what you're
42:48
talking about. What I mean is that if you live
42:50
in Amsterdam, you don't need a car, right?
42:52
You can get around, but I mean like if you live in South
42:55
Africa, you need a car because there's no public transport.
43:01
Yeah, but yeah, you're. Yes.
43:04
OK, I know, I know. If I woke up tomorrow and I had
43:07
nothing, no physical things at all, I would probably die in a
43:11
few hours. OK.
43:13
So yes, I, I think you can be in a culture for so many
43:19
generations and generations where there are things you, you
43:23
physical that you take for granted that you have to have to
43:26
survive, like a car. And, you know, generations ago
43:29
it was a horse. Generations before that it, it
43:32
wasn't, I mean, you walked around you, you didn't, but the
43:35
whole culture was different. Everything was different.
43:37
You didn't need the, you know, you stayed in the same square
43:39
mile for your whole life. It's, it's like, you know,
43:43
obviously I'm not going to give up my cell phone because I
43:49
believe that the, the more pure life is 1 without all the
43:53
technology because I wouldn't survive.
43:56
I, I wouldn't survive physically either.
43:58
I mean, I need to go to the doctor because of various
44:01
reasons. I'm not going to stop or
44:04
anybody. I mean, I don't, I don't have
44:06
this situation, but somebody that is on like heart medication
44:10
or whatever that if they stop it, they'll die.
44:13
I don't think anybody's going to do that in the name of, of, of,
44:18
you know, transhumanism. We should live a natural life.
44:22
And if I have a heart condition that'll kill me when I'm 50
44:25
years old and I should just die, I don't think people will do
44:28
that. I also think the world would be
44:30
a different place where somebody that did do that before medicine
44:34
would live. Because the reason they have a
44:36
heart condition is probably because of the culture or the
44:40
polluted air, polluted water, the fact that they sit on their
44:43
ass all day, whatever it might be, it's just different.
44:47
Does that make sense? Yes, and that makes sense.
44:49
But I think what I'm getting at you is one of the criticisms I
44:57
have for those quote unquote on our side is that they preach
45:09
from the pulpit against basically against all
45:13
technology. Throw away your cell phone,
45:15
throw away your TV, Throw away the.
45:17
Throw away the. And I don't know if that's
45:20
actually all that helpful. Katherine Fitz makes a very good
45:25
point. She says no, no, no.
45:27
Just discern. You know, these things are here.
45:30
They're tools. They're not evil by design
45:32
necessarily. I mean, right now, you and I are
45:36
using computers and the Internet to communicate.
45:40
If we throw away these things, you and I wouldn't be able to
45:43
communicate and I wouldn't be able to do what I do.
45:48
So I do like technology, but I also appreciate that it can be
45:54
used for bad, but it can be used for good.
45:57
And so that's where the discernment that Catherine
45:59
refers to comes in. And I don't, I don't like the,
46:03
the sort of rather radicalised idea of throwing away everything
46:07
and going because basically then what?
46:08
What would are you going to go live in a tree?
46:11
Well, yeah, that would be your option.
46:14
I I agree with you pretty much 100%.
46:19
I think that the problem, and I always use this as an analogy, I
46:22
think the problem with this, with this problem is, is a
46:26
matter of top down or bottom up solution.
46:30
A top down solution is, is thinking erroneously that
46:35
throwing all technology out is, is the solution that's top down
46:40
because it's dealing with the symptom.
46:43
Bottom up is, is changing the, the basic trajectory of, of
46:49
human development. And it just along the lines what
46:53
you just said. It's like as technology comes
46:55
out to be discerning and to be aware of what its purpose is.
47:01
I, I don't think because we're humans and we're different than
47:04
the animals because the animals never evolve.
47:06
I've never done an animal to invent a watch or a self film
47:10
anything that hasn't happened yet.
47:11
I mean, they just go on and on and on generation after
47:14
generation doing the same shit. And humans are not like that.
47:17
They're, they're too clever, they're too curious.
47:20
They screw around with the elements that, you know, they
47:23
find a piece of metal in the ground and they beat on it and
47:26
turn it into something, whatever.
47:27
I mean, just on and on and on. I, I don't know if that will
47:31
stop or should stop because we're humans, you know, I'm sure
47:35
a lot of people think it'd be better if it did.
47:37
And then we would just be like apes living out in the, in the
47:40
forest and aeons would go by and we wouldn't change that much,
47:44
you know, whatever. But the, the bottom up work is,
47:50
is much more difficult. It takes generations to change.
47:55
And I, I, I know some people are not going to like, like this
47:58
when I say this, but I think a big part of the bottom up work
48:02
is a belief in the metaphysics of, of reality is a belief in
48:08
God, however you define that. I, I don't think there's a human
48:12
definition of that that even comes close to what it actually
48:15
is. OK, but a belief in, in things
48:19
that, you know, in empathy and love.
48:22
I mean, love is the number one thing, but what is that, you
48:25
know, an awareness that we're all unified and that we're not
48:30
individual, you know, bags of flesh and and just, you know,
48:35
live a life and it when we die, we're we're done or whatever.
48:39
I don't know if there's a heaven.
48:40
And actually, I don't even think there's time.
48:43
So you know, where does that go? That's bottom up work.
48:48
And I think when that takes place in an effective way, I
48:52
think that that people will not create the technology that
48:57
destroys humanity. I think they'll have enough
49:01
sense to know not to create it to begin with.
49:05
And and not, I mean, there's stuff being created now that we
49:08
never would have even thought of wanting, you know, 100 years
49:12
ago. I mean, some of this like, I
49:14
mean, obviously any of this bio warfare crap and, and it's, it's
49:20
like we're coming up with a, the whole gain of function research
49:23
and all that. I mean, it's like, it's like
49:26
people didn't even think that was something.
49:28
Maybe one or two people did think that was something.
49:30
Well, one day we're going to be able to do this.
49:31
We're going to be able to kill the whole world and like 1
49:33
little, you know, it's like people didn't think that way.
49:37
And I didn't think the majority of people did.
49:42
So that's bottom up versus top down.
49:44
And yeah, absolutely what you're saying.
49:46
Top down, you know, getting rid of your cell phone, go living in
49:48
a tree somewhere that that may change your own life.
49:52
But but you're in a culture now that you can't just wipe away.
49:55
The cat's out of the bag. It's it's like you can't.
49:59
Yeah. No.
50:00
But also it's, it's, as Kid Knightley often talks about,
50:03
it's it's, it's a fake binary. It's a false dichotomy.
50:07
It's not one or the other. It's not right, buying wholesale
50:11
into technology or getting rid of it, right?
50:16
Right. It's in between.
50:18
It's nuanced. It's you're dealing with the
50:20
opposite. Yeah, well, this is this is this
50:24
is going into another discussion which we don't have time for.
50:26
But you know, this, and I think we touched on this last time,
50:29
this, this dichotomy, this, this, you know, polarisation of
50:33
thought. It's like it's gotten to a point
50:36
now that has been moving to this point since the beginning of
50:39
COVID or even before that, where this, this side of it, the side
50:45
we're supposedly on has such an extreme part to it that it's
50:51
like you just go, why are we over here?
50:55
It's like this is so ridiculous, this extreme, this, I mean, we
50:59
can consider it. I mean, we've always talked
51:02
about stuff like that. I, I think we're better off
51:04
considering it. But essentially to be, to be
51:08
polarised like that is there's no solution because you can't go
51:14
to either extreme and exist. It's, it's definitely somewhere.
51:20
It's not even necessarily in the middle, but it's somewhere not
51:24
on the extremes, put it, put it that way.
51:27
But that's why I'm pretty. I think I'm, I asked you at the
51:31
beginning if you quite jaded. I'm pretty jaded at the moment.
51:34
I'm going through a bit of a jaded phase.
51:36
Yeah, I am too. Yeah, yeah.
51:40
It's because I feel so deflated. I'm I'm in many ways burnt out
51:48
because I like you exactly like you.
51:54
I look around me and I, I mean, I said this in my, in my latest
51:58
sub stack, I look around me and I, I quietly judge people.
52:03
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm secretly rating people on a
52:07
scale of 1 to you, insufferable. More on you insufferable sheep,
52:13
you establishment hack. And as a result, my anger levels
52:18
are like through the roof. You know, at any given point,
52:22
because I also look around me and I'm going, how is it
52:25
possible that there are so many idiots?
52:30
How can people be so stupid? And, and I know that it's not
52:34
good to say stuff like that because people learn at
52:37
different speeds, you know, but some people don't want to learn
52:42
regardless. Of your speed.
52:44
You know, and and you know, and then sometimes I think to
52:47
myself, is any of this worth it? You go through years and years
52:52
and years of fighting these battles, you know, and, and now
52:55
you're getting, you get completely and utterly inundated
52:58
by, I hate that word sheeple. I really don't like that word.
53:07
I use that a lot. Yeah, no, I mean, I also use it,
53:10
but I don't like it. I think it's corny, but, but I
53:15
do feel, I do feel quite jaded and, and as a result, I feel
53:19
quite exhausted because I'm thinking, what is the point?
53:23
You know, like, let me give you an example.
53:24
So Todd, I just spent almost a month in China and I, I had the
53:30
opportunity to go and see for myself what, you know, what's
53:32
going on. And you can only ever see a tiny
53:35
microcosm as a, as a tourist, but that tiny microcosm is still
53:42
a lot more than nothing. And so like, for example, if you
53:46
wanted to see for yourself if South Africa is this sort of
53:50
violent hellhole, you come and visit and in, in a space of 10
53:55
days even, you'll realise that a lot of what you think you know
53:58
is false. It's not that bad.
54:02
It's it. And, and you realise that this
54:04
nuance and that it, it, it's all based on where you are.
54:07
You know, it's not equally distributed, it's concentrated
54:11
and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
54:14
And I've, I've been sharing my views on my Chinese trip and it
54:20
doesn't matter what I say, you will get, you'll get these sort
54:25
of indoctrinated brain dead zombies.
54:27
It will just keep parroting what they were always parroting.
54:32
And I, I sometimes wonder if people, is it, is it fear?
54:37
Do do people not want to have a mirror held up in front of them?
54:41
Do people not want to have a rug pulled out from under them?
54:44
Maybe. And so therefore they will
54:47
project or is it that they want to believe something because
54:53
they want to project? I, I, I don't know what it is,
54:56
why people sometimes remain so steadfast in, in what I deem to
55:01
be, you know, a garbage view. Yeah, I, I recently wrote an
55:07
article that I think this week came out an Off Guardian called
55:11
the I can't remember exactly what it was something about, you
55:15
know, people believing their own truth and sticking with what
55:20
they believe their truth is. And it was amazing how many
55:23
people commented on off Guardian from that extreme themselves and
55:29
just prove the point of the article like telling, like
55:32
writing as a comment that I'm an idiot because I believe all
55:35
kinds of stupid garbage that isn't real.
55:38
You know that I believe that that you know that Charlie Kirk
55:44
is still that's dead and that he's really still alive.
55:48
And then I believe that nonsense and all this stuff.
55:51
And and goat went back into like this one person went back into
55:54
like years of articles. Somebody's paying attention to
55:59
what I write. And and I'm like going that
56:02
you're just you're just giving an example of exactly what this
56:05
article is about. Is this dogmatic belief.
56:09
And we talked about this last time, I think, yeah, absolutely.
56:13
And and the, I think the feeling I'm getting, I'm curious to know
56:17
if you're getting the same feeling is just to say I don't
56:20
want to know anything anymore. I just want to know what's in
56:24
front of me in the morning when I get up.
56:27
I want to know my wife is there, who I love.
56:30
I want to know my family is there, you know, whatever.
56:33
I don't want to know anything else.
56:34
I don't want to know about what's going on in the world.
56:37
I, you know, I know that's very naive and that's ignorance is
56:41
bliss, but I, I don't know. And then then when the end
56:45
comes, it comes. It's, it's like when the
56:47
soldiers March in to grab me to inoculate me and jab me with a
56:51
vaccine or whatever, then that's just what happens.
56:53
It's like, it's like just what we were talking about earlier,
56:56
drop dead of a heart attack or whatever.
56:58
And then it's over. But at least you live this life,
57:01
at least at my age, you know, I think I'd be different if I had
57:05
small children. I mean, you want to, you want to
57:08
see the world better for them. And I'm not, I'm not saying I'm
57:12
going to do that and I'm not advocating that.
57:14
But it's something that I'm just sitting here going, why am I
57:18
focusing on all this junk when the people on our side that's
57:24
focusing on it too are are some of them are just as crazy as the
57:29
other side? You know, they're just this
57:31
extreme. There's nothing to put your
57:33
finger on and say, oh, well, this is really what's going on.
57:36
And I don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just.
57:40
Way too much friendly fire. Yeah, Yeah.
57:44
That's a good point. Yeah, it's a good way to put it,
57:48
yeah. It's, it's as though I
57:52
sometimes, I sometimes wonder how organic it really is and,
57:56
and how engineered it actually is, you know, by design.
57:58
Because OK, so, so that's a great example 9/11, right?
58:02
OK, so there's the official story, which I think is clearly
58:08
bank. So therefore I'm more interested
58:13
in the, the opposition stories, the, the, the alternative
58:18
stories, right? And there are many, but
58:21
basically it comes down to 2. It would be, you know,
58:27
controlled demolition or directed energy weapons, you
58:30
know, depending on how deep you've dived, right?
58:34
But but either way, either way, these are not the official
58:38
story. No.
58:40
Right. So what happens now, Todd, is
58:43
that you get people in the alternative space fighting with
58:48
each other to the point where it all just falls apart.
58:53
And those holding the line on the official narrative look at
58:58
the opposition going, yeah, what a bunch of towns.
59:02
How can you? How can anybody take them
59:04
seriously? Right, exactly.
59:06
And and you see that in almost every one of these major issues
59:10
that we can not just 911, but we see, I mean the you're not.
59:15
Even the possible COVID does the same thing.
59:17
So so COVID the same thing. So this official story, then
59:21
there's the alternative story and you, you find virus, no
59:27
virus and, and even people who are in the alternative space who
59:31
might believe that SARS COV 2 was real.
59:35
Then you get the other people in the alternative space going,
59:39
well, you're a, you're a controlled opposition.
59:41
You're a show because because you believe SARS COV 2 is real.
59:45
So now you have the the people in the official camp looking at
59:50
the various people fighting in the in the opposition camp and
59:53
they go a bunch of clowns. How can anybody take you
59:56
seriously? Yeah, no, and, and yeah, and
1:00:00
you've got that infighting going on.
1:00:02
Like like I was mentioning the articles I write.
1:00:04
I'll, I'll have a line and an article.
1:00:06
It won't even be the focus. That'll say something about the
1:00:09
lab leak theory. Was was completely, you know,
1:00:14
obliterated because because of blah, blah, blah.
1:00:17
And somebody will comment to say Todd believes that there's a
1:00:20
that there's a real virus, so there would be a lab leak.
1:00:23
Yes, exactly. And and you, like, go, you know,
1:00:26
don't you even understand what I'm saying here?
1:00:28
I'm not talking about whether a virus is real or not.
1:00:31
I'm talking about basically what people were focusing on.
1:00:34
Yeah. I want to hit my head against
1:00:37
the wall because I get the same the same stuff.
1:00:40
So I'll have a guest who will be talking.
1:00:43
It doesn't really matter about anything, OK.
1:00:45
And it is fascinating, extremely interesting conversation.
1:00:52
And then somebody in the comments goes, oh, what an
1:00:54
idiot. He thinks Earth is round.
1:00:56
Yeah, right, right, right. That's exactly the kind of
1:01:01
thing. Oh yeah, Where's my gun, you
1:01:04
know? You should bring your gun out in
1:01:06
every one of your interviews and just sit there with it for a
1:01:09
few. I've got a pellet gun.
1:01:11
Yeah. Since you're at the end of the
1:01:12
conversation before I before I come in for landing, shall I
1:01:16
just quickly grab it? That's behind me.
1:01:17
I'll hold it for the final, for the final, for the final.
1:01:20
But yeah, hold on one SEC. Yeah, yeah.
1:01:24
Wow. It's got quite a scope on it.
1:01:27
Well, this is a, this is a pellet gun.
1:01:28
That's why it's not in AI. Don't you can't really see it?
1:01:31
I don't know. Well, how far away will it?
1:01:33
Will it shoot a pellet? I don't know, 30 metres, 40
1:01:39
metres, It's got a scope, so that's.
1:01:42
So you couldn't have gotten Charlie Kirk with that.
1:01:44
He was too far away. Nah, he would have been too far
1:01:47
away. And plus, if you shot this thing
1:01:48
at Charlie Kirk, you might have hit somebody in, you know, in
1:01:52
like the Coke stand or something, you know, selling
1:01:54
Pepsi or Coke or whatever. It's waiting accurate.
1:01:58
But the point is, is I'll happily use this.
1:02:03
I'll gladly use this on some of these people that comment.
1:02:07
I don't want to I don't want to get the video taken down.
1:02:11
So I I'm I want to make sure the pellet gun.
1:02:14
Too, I mean. It's a pellet gun.
1:02:15
That's a pellet. Right, right.
1:02:17
That's a totally different thing.
1:02:19
It'll. Just hurt you a little bit,
1:02:20
that's all. That's right.
1:02:23
Yeah. On that note, there's so much
1:02:27
more to say. I mean, we could sit here for
1:02:29
the next two hours. But but I'm so frustrated, man,
1:02:33
I'm so frustrated. I wish, I wish that our side
1:02:37
quote unquote. I always have to use quotation
1:02:39
marks because that's. How I know I wish that, but
1:02:43
that's all part of the agenda as well, you know?
1:02:46
I mean, that's all part of the trolling and all of that is to
1:02:49
is to do just what you're saying.
1:02:51
I just wish they wouldn't fight like this publicly.
1:02:55
I have a, I've got a, I've got a, a general personal policy
1:03:00
that the only people I fight with are who are those who are
1:03:05
deemed to be the enemy. And I don't deem people on my
1:03:08
side of the fence to be the enemy, even if we disagree.
1:03:11
If you're generally opposed to the established position of the
1:03:16
establishment or the established argument, whatever.
1:03:19
Like, if you are the person trying to push a covert jab,
1:03:24
you're my enemy. So if if you and I have
1:03:28
disagreements, you know, on, on something to do with COVID, but
1:03:34
we we both oppose that person, you know, then we're on the same
1:03:39
side. Yeah.
1:03:41
Yeah. I mean.
1:03:42
Again, it's a broad. It's a broad stroke.
1:03:45
It is but man, but but my point is, you know, I mean, I think
1:03:48
it's a, it's a, it's an out of war strategy.
1:03:51
If you want to, if you want to start winning battles, sow seeds
1:03:56
of discord in your enemy. And our side is completely
1:04:01
disjointed and all over the place.
1:04:04
Yeah, yeah. No, you're right.
1:04:06
You're right. It's it's funny.
1:04:08
It's funny how I can come on this show with you and, and go,
1:04:13
wow, You know, everything you're saying is exactly what I've been
1:04:18
dealing with personally myself. And I, I think that's
1:04:22
interesting how this, this whole thing moves in a particular
1:04:25
direction that other people like you experience the same thing
1:04:30
I'm experiencing. And this is one of the things I
1:04:32
said earlier that people that are on my sub stack will always
1:04:35
say, Gee, I was just thinking that this morning and it's the
1:04:38
same thing. I was just thinking what you're
1:04:39
saying just just a few hours ago and.
1:04:44
How can how can my audience get your book and follow your work?
1:04:50
The book is the view of the shrew and unfortunately the only
1:04:53
place you can get it now is Amazon.
1:04:55
So that is where it is and the sub stack is shrew views
1:05:03
www.shrewviews.com and that's shrew the little animal and
1:05:07
views like looking OK and love to see you there.
1:05:12
It's a great community. A lot of like minded people that
1:05:16
are pretty much all in the same place.
1:05:18
There's some that some people sometimes disagree and that's
1:05:21
fine and there's discussion and whatever.
1:05:24
So love to see you. Todd, how you thank you for
1:05:28
joining me in the Dangers. Thank you Sir, loved it.