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Naked Waffle House killer leaves 4 dead, on the run, swears star Taylor Swift is stalking HIM · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A high school girl straight A's a hockey star across Star,
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Speaker 1: is found brutally murdered and buried in a shallow grave
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Speaker 1: at a local park, Lincoln Park. Her boyfriend is soon
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Speaker 1: identified and he's convicted of the murder. But now after
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Speaker 1: a high profile podcast called Cereal insists that he's innocent,
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Speaker 1: is he getting a new trial and set to walk?
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Speaker 1: To add insult to injury the victim, Little hay hay
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Speaker 1: Lee's family cannot speak English. They and she have no voice.
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Speaker 1: Well you know what they're getting one, They're getting a voice,
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Speaker 1: Lady Justice, are you listening? A and E Thursday night,
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Speaker 1: eleven pm. We want justice for hay Lee and that
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Speaker 1: means to many court watchers that killer add Non Sayed
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Speaker 1: stays behind bars. Thursday night, eleven PM. A and E
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Speaker 1: Grace versus Abrams. Please join us Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. The
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Speaker 1: man hunt intensifying for twenty nine year old Travis Ryan King,
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Speaker 1: the Central Illinois native accused of opening fire on a
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Speaker 1: Tennessee waffle house, killing four and injuring four others. Witnesses
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Speaker 1: say the suspect Travis Ryan King was only wearing a
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Speaker 1: green jacket when he opened fire, and the assault rifle
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Speaker 1: Ryan King allegedly used during the shooting was taken away
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Speaker 1: from him by police last year, only to be returned
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Speaker 1: to him by his own father. They say he started
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Speaker 1: shooting outside before going inside, where he was confronted by
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Speaker 1: a customer, twenty nine year old James Shaw Jr. We
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Speaker 1: were scuffling, and uh, I managed to get him with
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Speaker 1: one hand on the gun, and then I grabbed it
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Speaker 1: from him, not threw it over the countertop. After church Sunday,
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Speaker 1: we went out for a big time at the waffle
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Speaker 1: house and it was awesome. Saw all my favorite waiters
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Speaker 1: and waitresses. We played music on the jukebox. But in
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Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I was thinking about the
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Speaker 1: naked gunman wearing just a green jacket with an assault
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Speaker 1: rifle who stormed a waffle house in Nashville early early
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Speaker 1: Sunday morning, leaving four people dead. And right now he's
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Speaker 1: still on the run. As we learn his dad gave
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Speaker 1: him an a R fifteen. Could that possibly be true?
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Speaker 1: Not only that he thinks Taylor Swift is stalking him,
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Speaker 1: You know, forget about the dad and the Taylor swift fixation.
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Speaker 1: He's on the run for already. Dad. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: with me, and I'll start a lineup. Forensics expert Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, high profile defense lawyer Jason Ocean's l a
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Speaker 1: psycho analyst, Dr Bethany Marshall, and Crime Stories investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts. Chuck, let's start at the beginning. Sunday morning.
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Speaker 1: What happened? It is Nancy three, nineteen Sunday morning, a
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Speaker 1: little town just southeast of Nashville, about twenty minutes south
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Speaker 1: of downtown Nashville, and UH. Travis Ranking, who is twenty
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Speaker 1: nine years old, sits in his pickup truck for four
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Speaker 1: or five minutes before getting out with this a R
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Speaker 1: fifteen rifle. Again wearing nothing but a green jacket, he
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Speaker 1: shoots two people standing outside the restaurant UH and then
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Speaker 1: goes inside and continue shooting. Four people die. Nine year
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Speaker 1: old from Goodsville, a twenty year old from Nashville, a
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Speaker 1: young woman from Gallatin, and a young woman from Antigoch,
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Speaker 1: the actual city where this happened. You know, hold on, shut,
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Speaker 1: hold on, just a moment when I'm hearing the story
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Speaker 1: guys were talking about the naked waffle house shooter. As
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Speaker 1: a pros former prosecutor, I try to piece things together
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Speaker 1: and make sense of them. Why did this happen? Why
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Speaker 1: do I care? Because it could tell me what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen in the future. And what is One of
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Speaker 1: the many disturbing factors about this is there is no
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Speaker 1: known motive. That means we don't know why he did
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Speaker 1: it or if he's going to do it again. He
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Speaker 1: wasn't trying to get back at a girlfriend, he wasn't
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Speaker 1: angry having been fired from the waffle house, he didn't
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Speaker 1: have a bad waffle nothing, which means he's out there,
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Speaker 1: likely armed, and we don't know why he murdered four
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Speaker 1: and wounded for others. But right now, hold on, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Nashville Police spokesperson Don Aaron. A gunman
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Speaker 1: who we fully believed to be Travis Ryan King arrived
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Speaker 1: in the waffle house parking lot in a pickup truck
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Speaker 1: at three nineteen a m. He sat in that truck
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Speaker 1: for three and a half to four minutes. UH When
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Speaker 1: he got out of the vehicle at about three twenty
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Speaker 1: three am. He immediately used an assault type rifle to
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Speaker 1: shoot two individuals who were outside of the restaurant. They
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Speaker 1: were fatally wounded. He then went inside the restaurant continued firing.
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Speaker 1: One other person inside the restaurant was fatally wounded. Then,
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Speaker 1: an individual who was in the waffle house of Patron
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Speaker 1: when he heard the gunshots actually ran back to the
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Speaker 1: restroom area he watched the gunman. He reported that he
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Speaker 1: saw the gunman looking at his rifle. At that point,
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Speaker 1: the shots had stopped, so he decided to rush. The
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Speaker 1: gunman actually wrestled that assault rifle away tossed it over
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Speaker 1: the counter. At that point. The gunman then fled. As
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Speaker 1: he was in the waffle house, he was wearing only
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Speaker 1: a green jacket, no pants, no shirt, just a green jacket.
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Speaker 1: As he reached the corner of the street next to
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Speaker 1: the waffle house, he shed the jacket and continued southbound
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Speaker 1: on Murphersboro Pike. Our investigation to this point shows that
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Speaker 1: he lives at an apartment complex in this area. We
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Speaker 1: are suspecting, based on witness reports to this juncture, that
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Speaker 1: he made his way to the apartment complex, either inside
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Speaker 1: the apartment or somewhere near it, and has since clothed
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Speaker 1: himself with a pair of pants. A witness at the
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Speaker 1: apartment complex reported seeing a man in the woodline wearing
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Speaker 1: black pants, no shirt. Oh, moving away from the apartment
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Speaker 1: complex in the woods. We know as a driver's license
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Speaker 1: from Illinois from Morton, Illinois. Uh. We don't know what
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Speaker 1: he was doing in Nashville. We have been in contact
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Speaker 1: with other law enforcement agencies who are aware of him.
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Speaker 1: Both federal and state law enforcement agencies have knowledge of
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Speaker 1: Travis Ryan King due to previous interactions. Uh. Again, why
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Speaker 1: he is in Nashville and what prompted this this morning
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Speaker 1: has not been determined. I will tell you that our
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Speaker 1: hero in this matter is a twenty nine year old man,
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Speaker 1: a patron, And it's very similar to the report that
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Speaker 1: we gave at the church shooting in Nashville last year.
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Speaker 1: You had a citizen step up to intervene with an
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Speaker 1: active shooter, and that's what this man did. He is
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Speaker 1: the hero here and no doubt he saved many lives
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Speaker 1: by wrestling the gun away and then tossing it over
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Speaker 1: the counter and prompting a man to leave Dundee. All
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Speaker 1: have any reason to believe he had additional rounds to
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Speaker 1: read low while he's in there a plan to do that. Oh,
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Speaker 1: the jacket that he shed did have ammunition cartridges in it.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Nashville Police spokesperson Don Aaron describing
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Speaker 1: what happened. We're talking about twenty nine year old Travish
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Speaker 1: Ranking who has shot dead four people injured at least
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Speaker 1: four others at a local waffle house Antioch, Nashville. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is what we're learning. Now. His family says he
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Speaker 1: Ranking believes Taylor Swift is stalking him in his Illinois hometown,
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Speaker 1: which may be the reason he's come to Nashville. He well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, doesn't isn't Taylor Swift often in Nashville. Um,
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Speaker 1: he tells his family about this. His family has called
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Speaker 1: the cops before, and he believed was that Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: is hacking into his phone and into his Netflix account.
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Speaker 1: Now remember this. Also in two thousands seventeen, he was
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Speaker 1: the one arrested for scaling a fence near the White House,
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Speaker 1: the White House as in the Nation Capital. This is
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Speaker 1: the same guy. Why is he out after trying to
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Speaker 1: get into the White House. That's a whole another can
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Speaker 1: of worms. Dr Bethany Marshall, a high profile psychoanalyst out
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Speaker 1: of the l A jurisdiction. Dr Bethany I remember the
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Speaker 1: first time I actually met someone who had these ideas
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Speaker 1: that they were being stalked or followed, and it was
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Speaker 1: a perfectly normal acting secretary. She typed. That was her
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Speaker 1: job when I was fed, before I became a violent
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Speaker 1: crime prosecutor, I did and high trust and consumer protection,
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Speaker 1: and Virginia's job was to type. She would type up
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Speaker 1: letters or memoranda whatever she typed. She was perfectly normal, right.
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Speaker 1: She brought a lunch every day. She was very quiet,
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Speaker 1: very sweet lady, great, great worker at what she did. Well,
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Speaker 1: long story short, she missed a few days of work
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Speaker 1: and we found out upon questioning she was, Um, what
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Speaker 1: do you say when you think people are stalking you?
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Speaker 1: She thought that the government was something poison under her
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Speaker 1: doorstep at her apartment. She thought that she was being
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Speaker 1: hacked and people were listening in on her phone. What
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Speaker 1: is that? That's something called delusional disorder, and people who
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Speaker 1: have delusional disorder are very interesting and that their delusions
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Speaker 1: are quite extensive. Like you said, usually they feel that
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Speaker 1: somebody has planted a listening device. Um. Usually the government
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Speaker 1: is brought in on the delusion. Usually they have some
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Speaker 1: high profile or high ranking official or celebrity with whom
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Speaker 1: they become preoccupied. But the interesting thing about these individuals
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Speaker 1: is that they look normal. Delusional disorder does not make
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Speaker 1: them look crazy or manic or psychotic. The other thing
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Speaker 1: is they're obsessed with delusions. They will spend hours like
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Speaker 1: writing on the internet or in their journals, are talking
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Speaker 1: to people about it. I've never had a person with
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Speaker 1: delusional disorder last more than one day in my office
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Speaker 1: because the minute they sense that I'm not interested in
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Speaker 1: the delusions and I want them to get better, they
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Speaker 1: lose interest in treatment. And the other thing, Nancy, there
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Speaker 1: is no medication or effective form of therapy that can
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Speaker 1: help these people. Well, so they goes on and on.
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Speaker 1: He may think Taylor Swift is after him, but who's
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Speaker 1: after him is a long arm the law right now,
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Speaker 1: because he's gunned down four people in a waffle house,
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Speaker 1: and you know who those four people could have been? Me,
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Speaker 1: David and the twins and Grandmammy this past Sunday, all right,
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Speaker 1: So it's these are completely innocent people, some of them
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Speaker 1: just getting off late night jobs and they're hungry families
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Speaker 1: are in there that have been on the road, and
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Speaker 1: this guy comes in and starts shooting, and he would
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Speaker 1: have shot more had it not been for a true
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Speaker 1: hero named James Shaw Jr. Now, I want you to
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Speaker 1: listen to Shaw because, like so many true heroes, he's
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Speaker 1: awfully humble. Listen. Uh No, I just consider myself. I was,
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Speaker 1: like I said, in that cage, and I had the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to either act or act or not act, and
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Speaker 1: uh I chose to act because either way, in my mind,
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Speaker 1: I saw if I don't act, this death. If I
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Speaker 1: do act, I have a stronger possibility of living than
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Speaker 1: just letting him come to the door. So uh, I
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Speaker 1: just see myself like as a regular guy. I didn't
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Speaker 1: mean to do this to be the hero by any means.
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Speaker 1: It was just kind of like survival of the fittest
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Speaker 1: type thing. Um. I'm sorry. I couldn't get to the
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Speaker 1: guy any faster, or we could have got him out
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot or something like that. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know he was going to come in their
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Speaker 1: arm to the teeth like that. There was no way
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Speaker 1: for me to know that he was going to do that.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. For your family, um, your loved ones. I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of speechless. I really don't. All I can say
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Speaker 1: is words, but it's it's it's gonna hurt. So you
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Speaker 1: were just hearing from a true hero. He says he
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Speaker 1: doesn't consider himself a hero. You know, Jason Ocean's high
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Speaker 1: profile defense attorney, joined me out of the Jersey and
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Speaker 1: New York area. You and I have handled so many cases,
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Speaker 1: me prosecuting, you defending, and you and I, Jason would
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Speaker 1: spend hours, literally hours on court TV, the court TV
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Speaker 1: set in a dark studio, watching trials, and usually the
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Speaker 1: trials we covered were murder or mass murder trials, and
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Speaker 1: very often a hero would emerge, isn't it true? Jason?
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Speaker 1: And so often in the courthouse you see heroes. They
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Speaker 1: can be e M t s, they can be firefighters,
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Speaker 1: they can be cops, they can be regular people like James,
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Speaker 1: and almost to a fault, they never think they're a hero. Jason. Now,
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Speaker 1: and so you're so right in your description of our experiences,
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Speaker 1: but so self deprecating about it. And you listen to
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Speaker 1: his voice, and his his concern was for what he
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Speaker 1: couldn't have and faster or understand what was going on.
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Speaker 1: So that's just the nature of the good with the
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Speaker 1: evil as we have in this situation, a really horrible
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Speaker 1: trasic situation. And I'm hard to figure out what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen to this guy because when you look at
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Speaker 1: him in some of his photos, he looks like he's
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Speaker 1: like a freshman at cal State. He just looks like
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Speaker 1: a regular guy. He's anything but a regular guy. Right now,
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Speaker 1: this guy, Travish Ranking, twenty nine years old home family
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Speaker 1: home in Morton, Illinois, is surrounded by FBI. They're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out is he headed from Nashville en route
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Speaker 1: to Illinois. We know this he was armed with what
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Speaker 1: we believe to be in a R fifteen. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Travish Ranking on the run the waffle house shooter, a
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Speaker 1: naked guy guns down four innocent people. Still on the
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Speaker 1: run right now with delusion and singing sensation, Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: is stalking him, and his delusion goes further than that.
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Speaker 1: He's got it all figured out that she's hacking into
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Speaker 1: his phone and his Netflix account. Okay, I'm gonna get
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Speaker 1: off Taylor Swift hacking into his phone and his Netflix
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Speaker 1: account and onto the crime and the victims in this case.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, Travis Ranking age
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Speaker 1: twenty nine right now is on the run. Many believe
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Speaker 1: he said it from Nashville to his family home in Morton, Illinois.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear from an eye witness, Brennan McMurray,
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Speaker 1: who was at the waffle house with his friend turned
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Speaker 1: hero James Shaw's. He describes when the carnage occurred, it
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Speaker 1: was just like bow bow bow bow, was like somebody
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Speaker 1: was just going to town on a base drum and
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Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't the uasiest thing. I just told
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Speaker 1: people jump in the back rooms as quick as you can,
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Speaker 1: and so we pushed a couple of girls into the
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Speaker 1: back bathroom and then me, a guy and another lady
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Speaker 1: we went into my bathroom and locked it. Um, and
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Speaker 1: the shots just got louder. It's totally scared to open
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Speaker 1: the door. So we waited the ten seconds we heard
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Speaker 1: no gunshots and then you open the door and you
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Speaker 1: cautiously peek out. We saw the magazine on the floor. Um,
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Speaker 1: there was a lady face down, she was gone. There
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Speaker 1: was another lady with her head kind of tilted back
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Speaker 1: on the bottom of the actual booth. Um, she was bleeding.
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Speaker 1: Her leg was like completely ripped up, two shreds. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then we walked out the door and then literally
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Speaker 1: there was a man right there just head gone. Um,
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Speaker 1: look up the sidewalk, there's another one gone. Seeing that
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Speaker 1: type of Yeah, I'll never leave those, Yeah, no, I'll
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Speaker 1: never leave. We are on the lookout, Bolo, be on
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Speaker 1: the lookout for twenty nine year old Travish ranking at
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Speaker 1: this hour. Man he believe he said it from Nashville
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Speaker 1: tour Morton, Illinois, after killing four and wounding many others.
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Speaker 1: You know with me is forensics expert for Professor of
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: you are a death investigator. I've been on so many
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Speaker 1: homicide scenes and autopsies. I I couldn't even begin to
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Speaker 1: count them. When you hear the hero James saw Jr.
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Speaker 1: Friend Brendan McMurray trying to describe what he saw. You
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Speaker 1: know what, Joe Scott, unless you see it, you'd never
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Speaker 1: believe it because you know, you watch these movies and um,
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Speaker 1: the TV shows that are legal or crime dramas, they
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Speaker 1: are so airbrushed, they are so produced. It's it's nothing
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Speaker 1: like what homicide really is. It is nasty, it is
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Speaker 1: it smells horrible, it's gritty. There is you know, dirt
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Speaker 1: and dust on the lord, there's dry coagulated blood. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to go on. It's nothing you
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Speaker 1: ever want to revisit. And here you've got civilians trying
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Speaker 1: to describe a mass murder. Sen Joe Scott. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's striking Nancy anytime. And I can reflect back to
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Speaker 1: all of those cases that I've seen. And and plus
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Speaker 1: you know when when I teach, when I teach forensic
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Speaker 1: science to my students, always tell them, I always tell
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Speaker 1: them this. When you're working these kind of cases, you're
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Speaker 1: always trying to make sense of the abnormal in the
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Speaker 1: context of the normal. And you and I both are
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Speaker 1: you know, uh Southerners. You know we've spent a lot
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Speaker 1: of time. My family and I were at waffle House
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Speaker 1: yesterday as a matter of fact, after church, and you know,
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Speaker 1: you go into these places where you normally feel safe,
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Speaker 1: and you know, like you I know the I know
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Speaker 1: the waiters that are one little waffle house here in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: It's a place to peace. It's a place of enjoyment
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Speaker 1: for our family. We love going there and to have
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Speaker 1: children and get out of school early or say it
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Speaker 1: was that they always have a half day when they
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Speaker 1: go for Christmas or Thanksgiving. That's where we go. That's
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Speaker 1: our big celebration we go. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's
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Speaker 1: you know. And there were many nights when I was working,
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Speaker 1: when I was you know, back in the day, when
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Speaker 1: I was still it was the only thing that was open.
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Speaker 1: I remember spending Christmas Eve at about you know, very
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Speaker 1: late at night. It was the only place that was open.
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Speaker 1: I was working by myself. And it's it's just kind
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Speaker 1: of like, you know, a little piece of home when
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Speaker 1: you walk in. So, yeah, you walk in and then
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Speaker 1: you contextualize it by seeing hilt high velocity blood spattery.
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Speaker 1: You see where people have struggled just to try to
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Speaker 1: get to a point of safety, out of the line
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Speaker 1: of fire, away from this great harm that they they sent.
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Speaker 1: You know, this young man had described it. It sounded
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Speaker 1: like somebody beating on a drum and when you're on
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Speaker 1: the end of that muzzle, and it just it's a
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Speaker 1: cacophony of sound that just surrounds this environment and this
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Speaker 1: and I can only imagine the context of of waffle houses.
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Speaker 1: It's not huge. You know, you're in this little box
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Speaker 1: with these other people, the screams, there's there's total chaos.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he described this woman's leg being ripped to shreds.
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Speaker 1: That's that's what the nature of this weapon is and
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Speaker 1: what it has the potential to do. And uh, he
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Speaker 1: walked in. Uh. It's it's a very very scary situation.
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Speaker 1: And what's even scarier than is the fact that this
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Speaker 1: person is still out there. He's walking around among us,
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Speaker 1: he's driving around among us. No one knows where he's going.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethan was talking about he's obsessed over this one point.
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Speaker 1: Who knows who knows where he's going, And it's very scary.
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Speaker 1: I you know, I pray for these police officers. I
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Speaker 1: hope that they get this guy off the street immediate. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, correct me if I'm wrong. Chuck Roberts Chuck
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Speaker 1: Roberts joining me Crime storys investigative reporter. But he has
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Speaker 1: had other incidents where he believes Taylor Swift is after him.
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Speaker 1: Um Ranking had several run ins with Polace in Illinois
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Speaker 1: before he moves to Nashville, where Taylor Swift starts her career. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he knows that he knows all about Taylor Swift. He
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Speaker 1: had the running in Washington, d C. When he tried
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Speaker 1: to climb over a fence near the White House um
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Speaker 1: on one instant. Okay, I told you that he thinks
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is hacking into his phone in Netflix, and
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Speaker 1: just May he thought Swift was stalking him in person,
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Speaker 1: and that incident, he told police that Swift was following
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Speaker 1: him and wanted to meet him at a nearby dairy queen.
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Speaker 1: So he goes to the dairy queen to meet Swift,
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Speaker 1: and he says he sees Swift across the street who
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Speaker 1: yells at him. He chased her in an attempt to
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Speaker 1: have her stop harassing him. He says he follows Taylor
22:51
Speaker 1: up the side of a building and onto the roof,
22:53
Speaker 1: and when he gets to the roof, Taylor Swift is gone.
22:59
Speaker 1: And he has had at least five runners with Illinois
23:02
Speaker 1: police before he moved to Nashville. As I said, where
23:05
Speaker 1: Taylor started her music career, Chuck Roberts, I don't think
23:09
Speaker 1: it's any coincidence that she started her music career there.
23:13
Speaker 1: And he leaves Morton Illinois to go to Nashville exactly.
23:20
Speaker 1: And and you know, in one of those incidents in
23:23
Speaker 1: where he said Taylor Swift was talking him, he had
23:25
Speaker 1: made comments to police about killing himself. So obviously you
23:29
Speaker 1: know he is not of right mind. Uh. He said
23:32
Speaker 1: that she's tapping his computer and his phone. Uh, and
23:35
Speaker 1: he talks about barking like dogs outside his home. He
23:39
Speaker 1: felt like he was being watched, uh, and that people
23:42
Speaker 1: are baiting him into breaking the law. But he said
23:46
Speaker 1: it all started when he started writing to Taylor Swift.
23:49
Speaker 1: Not curiously, Taylor Swift lives in Soho. She lives in Manhattan,
23:53
Speaker 1: and only this past weekend was another stalker hit with
23:58
Speaker 1: an order of protection after breaking in to Taylor Swift's
24:02
Speaker 1: Soho town house. That person is under arrestus as a
24:05
Speaker 1: matter of fact, that that she just can't catch her break.
24:08
Speaker 1: You know, there was the DJ right now that the
24:11
Speaker 1: stalker goes in her home and takes a shower and
24:14
Speaker 1: a nap in her home. And now this guy now
24:18
Speaker 1: listen to this back to Travis Ranking who was on
24:21
Speaker 1: the run right now after the incident where he approached
24:24
Speaker 1: a secret Service agent saying he wanted to speak to
24:27
Speaker 1: the President. He refused to leave. He was given thirty
24:30
Speaker 1: two hours of community service to complete by a DC
24:34
Speaker 1: Superior court and wanted to stay away from the White House.
24:37
Speaker 1: Catch this, the case was dropped. It was just dropped
24:41
Speaker 1: in November because the judge said ranking had completed the
24:45
Speaker 1: diversion program and trying to get it to the White House.
24:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it just that that that was over and
24:53
Speaker 1: done and nothing happened, and now for people are dead now.
25:00
Speaker 1: It was after this DC incident the FBI coordinated with
25:03
Speaker 1: the Illinois State Police and Taswell County to revoke his
25:07
Speaker 1: gun lines. Is listen to this. That's according to w
25:09
Speaker 1: k R in he had a carry permit. He had
25:14
Speaker 1: a carry permit in Illinois. They got them away from him.
25:19
Speaker 1: They were given to his father. Did the father give
25:23
Speaker 1: them back? All? I know before people are dead in
25:27
Speaker 1: a waffle house, others injured. Take a listen to what
25:31
Speaker 1: another witness at the waffle house says. This witness named Chuck,
25:36
Speaker 1: it's just all really surreal. Um, It's it's just horrible.
25:41
Speaker 1: I mean, you see people laying on the ground, you
25:43
Speaker 1: know what just happened, And you're right, you see it
25:46
Speaker 1: happen all the time, but when it happens right in
25:48
Speaker 1: front of you, it's kind of hard to forget it.
25:50
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to put it aside. It's it's
25:52
Speaker 1: it's sad, it's tragic, it's and your buddy t He
25:56
Speaker 1: was a cook here at waffle house, right, Yeah, he
25:59
Speaker 1: was a cook. He was outside on his cigarette break.
26:01
Speaker 1: He actually waved at me, which is why I got
26:03
Speaker 1: out of my car to go talk to him while
26:05
Speaker 1: I waited for the crowd to chill out inside and
26:09
Speaker 1: just didn't happen that way, And so were there are
26:11
Speaker 1: a lot of people inside. Can you kind of describe
26:13
Speaker 1: the atmosphere to me? I mean, I know this is
26:15
Speaker 1: a place that people come just to hang out and
26:17
Speaker 1: and you know, grab a bite to eat on the weekend. Well,
26:19
Speaker 1: once the bars closed, these places get quite busy. When
26:23
Speaker 1: I pulled up here, there was about thirty people inside.
26:25
Speaker 1: My normal spot was taken, and so I was gonna
26:28
Speaker 1: wait outside until the crowd died down a little bit.
26:32
Speaker 1: And this all happened, but they were there were about
26:35
Speaker 1: thirty people inside. Um. I found out the name of
26:38
Speaker 1: the gentleman who wrestled the gun away as James Shaw Jr.
26:42
Speaker 1: And if he had not done what he did when
26:45
Speaker 1: he did. Um, I heard that the guy had more
26:47
Speaker 1: ammunition in his jacket. This could have been a lot worse.
26:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tragic, and as terrible as it is is,
26:53
Speaker 1: it could have been a lot worse if not for
26:54
Speaker 1: James Shaw Jr. You actually saw the man who was
26:58
Speaker 1: responsible for, you know, knocking the gun away. Can you
27:01
Speaker 1: kind of describe to me, you know, the moments leading
27:03
Speaker 1: up to that and describe that moment? Well, I guess
27:06
Speaker 1: when the shooting started. I wasn't inside, but from what
27:09
Speaker 1: I understand, when the shooting started, Uh, this gentleman went
27:12
Speaker 1: towards the bathrooms and it was kind of there's a door,
27:15
Speaker 1: so he was able to be behind this door, and
27:17
Speaker 1: he saw that when the gunman paused for a minute
27:20
Speaker 1: to look at his weapon, to either reload it or
27:22
Speaker 1: look at it, he came from behind the door and
27:24
Speaker 1: started wrestling with the guys. So as soon as he
27:26
Speaker 1: saw a moment where he wasn't firing, he jumped on
27:30
Speaker 1: him and he saved some people's lives. True, you lost
27:33
Speaker 1: your your good friend t Can you kind of just
27:35
Speaker 1: you know, say a few words about him? These are
27:38
Speaker 1: my waffle house friends. I don't see them on the weekends.
27:41
Speaker 1: I don't see them away from waffle House, but they
27:45
Speaker 1: take good care of me when I come in here.
27:47
Speaker 1: He was always real friendly. You know, hey, what's up man?
27:49
Speaker 1: We were just buddy buddy. You know. I look forward
27:52
Speaker 1: to come in here and seeing these people because they
27:54
Speaker 1: are so friendly, and he was. He was just a
27:57
Speaker 1: great guy. I mean, I don't know him personally. I
27:59
Speaker 1: don't don't know his family or anything, but I know
28:02
Speaker 1: him from here, and every time I came here, we talked,
28:05
Speaker 1: we hung out, we joked, we laughed good people. Can
28:09
Speaker 1: you kind of describe the demeanor of this aspect to me?
28:12
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was sitting in my car looking
28:15
Speaker 1: at the crowd, waiting for them to go. I did
28:16
Speaker 1: not see him pull up. I only saw him get
28:18
Speaker 1: out when I got out. And his demeanor was he
28:21
Speaker 1: got out and started shooting his gun immediately. He did
28:25
Speaker 1: not say nothing to nobody, no hesitation. He just got out,
28:30
Speaker 1: shot the two people outside, shot through the windows, and
28:32
Speaker 1: then stepped inside and kept going until Mr Shot took
28:36
Speaker 1: care of him. This is what we know. We know
28:40
Speaker 1: the weapon was an a R fifteen that was used
28:43
Speaker 1: in the shooting. Another wet rifle and long gun were
28:47
Speaker 1: found in Rankings apartment. They have not been able to
28:51
Speaker 1: locate the fourth and that's what's worrying. May we believe
28:54
Speaker 1: the fourth weapon is a pistol. Many people are assuming
29:00
Speaker 1: King's father gave him the four guns back, or maybe
29:04
Speaker 1: he got them back on his own. But I believe
29:06
Speaker 1: those are the four guns we know of. The A
29:09
Speaker 1: R fifteen has been found that was used at the
29:11
Speaker 1: waffle house mass shooting. Another rifle and long gun found
29:16
Speaker 1: in his apartment. The fourth we believe is a pistol. Now,
29:20
Speaker 1: how did he get them back? Don't know. We know
29:22
Speaker 1: this about the family. We know that his family um
29:28
Speaker 1: owned owns a crane rental business in the area, so
29:33
Speaker 1: they own their own business. Neighbors described quote, he was
29:36
Speaker 1: raised in a really good Christian home. But they haven't
29:40
Speaker 1: seen Ranking in months now. We also know that SWAT
29:45
Speaker 1: members went door to door at his apartment Discovery Mountain
29:50
Speaker 1: View Apartments that's in Nashville. Some residents in the building
29:55
Speaker 1: were asked to evacuate, thinking he might be there. Others
29:59
Speaker 1: were told to lot their doors and stay inside. Can
30:01
Speaker 1: you imagine getting that message in the middle of the night. Now.
30:05
Speaker 1: Neighbors also state that they hardly ever saw him, but
30:08
Speaker 1: they heard him playing really loud music, but they hardly
30:12
Speaker 1: ever saw him. We also know to Joe Scott, Morgan
30:16
Speaker 1: forensics expert, that police have combed the woods where he
30:20
Speaker 1: was last seeing slinking away from his department. Joe Scott,
30:24
Speaker 1: it's hard to get evidence out in the woods. Yeah, yeah,
30:27
Speaker 1: ideas because it's such a it's such a convoluted area.
30:33
Speaker 1: You know, that's out there, and he's he's been he's
30:35
Speaker 1: been on he's been on foot for a while now.
30:37
Speaker 1: I would imagine, and I'm just speculating here, that they've
30:40
Speaker 1: got dogs that are working this case. I would imagine
30:43
Speaker 1: dogs are a big part. And also I've been reading
30:45
Speaker 1: reports where you've got Nashville helicopters, uh that is National
30:50
Speaker 1: Metro helicopters that are flying over trying to track him.
30:54
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that on foot he would have gotten
30:57
Speaker 1: too terribly far away. This is a densely populated area,
31:01
Speaker 1: so the police are having to be very very careful.
31:03
Speaker 1: You can imagine how terrified people are. But this guy's
31:08
Speaker 1: on the run. For all I know, he's still in Nashville.
31:11
Speaker 1: Many people believe he is either en route to tell
31:13
Speaker 1: or Swift's place. I don't know how he's gonna find
31:15
Speaker 1: her or back home to Illinois. We know that patients
31:20
Speaker 1: remain at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center, one in critical condition,
31:26
Speaker 1: another stable, and our prayers go out to that one person,
31:29
Speaker 1: especially in critical condition, for dead many others injured at
31:36
Speaker 1: the waffle house shooting. I want you to take a
31:40
Speaker 1: listen to this. The main question we've been getting today
31:45
Speaker 1: is regarding confiscation of firearms. On August two thousand seventeen,
31:51
Speaker 1: Tasl County deputy is confiscated the firearm owners Identification card
31:55
Speaker 1: of Travis Rinking and pursuant to revocation by the Illinois
32:00
Speaker 1: State Police at that time, Mr Rinking voluntarily voluntarily surrendered
32:04
Speaker 1: four firearms. His father was present and had had an
32:09
Speaker 1: f O I D card valid f I D card
32:12
Speaker 1: and had the legal right to take custody of the weapons,
32:15
Speaker 1: so he was allowed to do that after he assured
32:18
Speaker 1: deputies that he would keep them secure and away from Travis.
32:23
Speaker 1: We have no information about how Travis came back into
32:27
Speaker 1: possession of those firearms after August. The bottom line is
32:31
Speaker 1: that the father had the legal right to possess the weapons. Well,
32:43
Speaker 1: stand a bushmaster, I believe is an a R fifteen.
32:49
Speaker 1: In this case, Yes, turned over to his father. Yes,
32:56
Speaker 1: the officers did not believe they had any legal authority
32:59
Speaker 1: to with hold the weapons. Seizure of a person's property
33:03
Speaker 1: is a constitutional rights issue, and it's a very serious matter,
33:07
Speaker 1: and we need to be on solid legal ground in
33:09
Speaker 1: order to seize someone's property. And it's our understanding of
33:13
Speaker 1: the law that under under Illinois law, with the father
33:16
Speaker 1: possessing a valid Illinois fo i D card, that he
33:20
Speaker 1: had the right to possess the weapons. That's something that's
33:27
Speaker 1: under investigation. And as I said in the statement, we
33:30
Speaker 1: don't have any information how the young man got the
33:33
Speaker 1: weapons back. I did see the Nashville Chief of Police
33:37
Speaker 1: on television a little earlier, and he indicated that possessing
33:41
Speaker 1: the weapons in Tennessee would not have been a violation
33:44
Speaker 1: for Travis, So he's he was not legal under Illinois
33:48
Speaker 1: law to possess the firearms. Illinois has has made a
33:52
Speaker 1: decision several years ago to pass the law requiring every
33:56
Speaker 1: fire arm owner to possess a Firearm Owners I'D Entification card,
34:01
Speaker 1: and those are issued by the state police, and that
34:04
Speaker 1: can vary from state to state. Uh, Tennessee has no
34:07
Speaker 1: similar law. Obviously, were aware of him, and we've had
34:11
Speaker 1: dealings with him before, and we believe that he was
34:14
Speaker 1: involved in an incident at the White House last summer.
34:17
Speaker 1: Uh So the federal and state authorities were instrumental in
34:21
Speaker 1: having his f o I D card revoked in August. So,
34:26
Speaker 1: uh he is someone we were aware of. I think
34:29
Speaker 1: anybody who reads the police reports that we have here
34:33
Speaker 1: that I've I've given you copies of, would would conclude
34:36
Speaker 1: that there's certainly evidence that there's some sort of mental
34:39
Speaker 1: health issues involved. You were hearing they're regarding the gun seizure.
34:45
Speaker 1: The reward for capturing the alleged waffle House shoot or
34:49
Speaker 1: Travis Ranking is climbing. Here's the tip line eight six
34:54
Speaker 1: to eight hundred, repeat six eight six to dred. Now,
35:01
Speaker 1: the waffle House shooting had a very odd, bizarre connection
35:05
Speaker 1: to music star Taylor Swift in that the waffle house
35:11
Speaker 1: shooter believes Taylor Swift is stalking him. Of course, nothing
35:15
Speaker 1: could be further from the truth. As a matter of fact,
35:18
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift just can't catch a break. Her third stalker
35:22
Speaker 1: this month has broken into her New York City town house,
35:30
Speaker 1: takes a shower, and climbs into her bed. I can
35:34
Speaker 1: only assume naked for a nap. Does it never end
35:39
Speaker 1: for this poor girl? I mean you never see her
35:43
Speaker 1: boozing coming out of bars without her underwear like so
35:46
Speaker 1: many others. She's working, she's minding her own business, she's
35:51
Speaker 1: writing songs, she's setting a good role model. What her
35:56
Speaker 1: third stalker this month takes a shower and climb in
36:00
Speaker 1: her bed for a nap. What if she had been
36:03
Speaker 1: there with me? Alexis Torez Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar
36:07
Speaker 1: online dot Com. Does it never end for this poor girl?
36:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't. And this is the third guy this month.
36:13
Speaker 1: And what he did is he This is amazing to
36:15
Speaker 1: me because it's in the middle of New York City.
36:17
Speaker 1: This is not even one of her properties out you
36:21
Speaker 1: know that she has in Tennessee or in the Northeast
36:23
Speaker 1: that are secluded. This was in the middle of New
36:25
Speaker 1: York City. Someone takes a ladder and climbs over the
36:29
Speaker 1: wall at her place. She takes every precaution to stay safe.
36:33
Speaker 1: She she is very careful with this climbs over the ladder,
36:37
Speaker 1: breaks into the house, goes in her room, goes in
36:41
Speaker 1: her bedroom, takes a shower, has enough time there, This
36:44
Speaker 1: hasn't alerted anybody, and then climbs into her bed and
36:48
Speaker 1: falls asleep. This is all She is luckily, luckily not there,
36:55
Speaker 1: and then her security comes in and finds him. She
36:58
Speaker 1: is so lucky that she has so people out there
37:00
Speaker 1: protecting her, because if she had been in there, this
37:03
Speaker 1: could have been terrible for her. I just don't understand
37:06
Speaker 1: how in the middle of New York City you can
37:08
Speaker 1: get a ladder. It's a three story town home. You
37:12
Speaker 1: can get a ladder in plain view, put it up,
37:16
Speaker 1: landed up against the building, and get into the building
37:19
Speaker 1: and nobody notices. I can tell you this, Uh, this
37:22
Speaker 1: morning heads would be rolling on the so called security team.
37:28
Speaker 1: So Jason Ocean's uh, high profile defense attorney in the
37:31
Speaker 1: New York area. Jason, to be a bona fide burglary,
37:37
Speaker 1: you have to go into the home for a felonious purpose.
37:42
Speaker 1: You enter the home with the intent to commit a burglary,
37:46
Speaker 1: i e. Stealing something, assaulting somebody, killing somebody. He went
37:51
Speaker 1: in and took a shower and got in her bed,
37:54
Speaker 1: is that a burglary? Uh criminal trespass? Uh? Uh for sure,
38:01
Speaker 1: you still have a breaking and entering. I don't know
38:04
Speaker 1: if there's a commercial component to it, to that type
38:07
Speaker 1: of building that would add into the charge. In New York,
38:09
Speaker 1: regardless of of what the you know, her specific residence was,
38:14
Speaker 1: he's being held on seventy five thousand dollars about you know,
38:17
Speaker 1: as part of as part of the original arrayment. He's
38:21
Speaker 1: got an order of protection uh, you know, assigned to him.
38:25
Speaker 1: But he's being held on seventy five thousand dollars. So
38:28
Speaker 1: they certainly took it very seriously beyond just uh what
38:32
Speaker 1: would be uh you know, seemingly a more innocent criminal trespass. Well, well,
38:37
Speaker 1: what about this Jason Oceans hold on. He's been charged
38:41
Speaker 1: with felonies stalking, which I guess is the felony involved
38:44
Speaker 1: you know, to constitute of burglary, because he's also charged
38:47
Speaker 1: with burglary, criminal mistress, and criminal trespass. But listen to this,
38:51
Speaker 1: This is why he got a felony stalking charge. This
38:55
Speaker 1: wasn't the first time Alvarado was arrested at her address
38:59
Speaker 1: in February and was breaking the front door with a shovel. Hello,
39:07
Speaker 1: that turns this into stalking. That's the felony that supports
39:11
Speaker 1: the burglary and he and he also he also skipped
39:14
Speaker 1: out on a court date, so there was, you know,
39:18
Speaker 1: a warrant for his arrest, and they'll revisit that original
39:21
Speaker 1: charge as well, just to adding to his uh I
39:25
Speaker 1: don't get it problem, I don't get it. Dr Bethany
39:28
Speaker 1: Marshall l a psycho analyst. Dr Bethany, you know you've
39:32
Speaker 1: got the waffle house shooter all the run who I
39:35
Speaker 1: would guess he's headed to either one of two places
39:38
Speaker 1: where he thinks Taylor Swift is or to his family
39:42
Speaker 1: in Illinois's family and right now he has alluding the police. Okay,
39:47
Speaker 1: so tell us Weft has that going on? Now, you've
39:51
Speaker 1: got this guy who's very likely wit and naked in
39:55
Speaker 1: her bed. Think about it, Bethany, not too much, but
39:58
Speaker 1: just enough to give me a professional about well. One
40:03
Speaker 1: of the things that comes to mind is the enormous
40:06
Speaker 1: amount of energy both of these men are engaging in
40:10
Speaker 1: order to gain proximity to her. The thing about stalking
40:14
Speaker 1: that we're talking about this current stalking case, we're talking
40:17
Speaker 1: about um ranking who has delusional disorder, and perhaps his
40:22
Speaker 1: manic is that these men are so obsessed with her,
40:26
Speaker 1: so focused on her. Both of them believe that they
40:29
Speaker 1: have a unique and special relationship with this victim, and
40:33
Speaker 1: the type of disorder both of these men have is
40:36
Speaker 1: not a disorder that goes away. They're going to be
40:38
Speaker 1: obsessed with her for the rest of their lives. So
40:41
Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to keep her safe besides
40:43
Speaker 1: her security team is if these men are behind bars. Um,
40:48
Speaker 1: So this is the problem with our justice system. Like
40:50
Speaker 1: the guy that broke an energe tried to break down
40:53
Speaker 1: the door with the shovel, Do they have enough on
40:56
Speaker 1: him to put him behind bars for the rest of
40:58
Speaker 1: his life? Probably not, So he's going to continue to
41:01
Speaker 1: be obsessed with her and put all this energy into
41:04
Speaker 1: it and stalkers. As you and I've talked about so
41:07
Speaker 1: many times, not only do they believe they have a
41:09
Speaker 1: special and unique relationship with the victim, even though there's
41:13
Speaker 1: no evidence to support that, they go after the victim
41:17
Speaker 1: to punish the victim for perceived rejection. So they'll be like, well,
41:22
Speaker 1: why isn't she returning my calls or my emails? Why
41:25
Speaker 1: didn't she come home? To go to bed with me.
41:26
Speaker 1: I'm here, I am naked in the bed. And this
41:29
Speaker 1: is where the agitation and the anger comes in and
41:31
Speaker 1: then the striking out at the victim. And this is
41:34
Speaker 1: what puts victims at risk. Well, it's not just Alvarado
41:37
Speaker 1: who's talking and breaking in. In In New York last week,
41:40
Speaker 1: another stalker was arrested trying to get into her Beverly
41:44
Speaker 1: Hills home. The police report says the man was wearing
41:49
Speaker 1: a mask and rubber gloves, carrying a knife, live ammunition,
41:56
Speaker 1: and black rope. Oh okay, um, help me out. It
42:03
Speaker 1: just never seems to end, and we can't keep the
42:06
Speaker 1: people in jail. Jason Oceans, you're the defense lawyer. Why
42:10
Speaker 1: is it a revolving door for these guys that are
42:13
Speaker 1: stalking her? They go in for thirty days, then they're
42:16
Speaker 1: out and they start all over again. Because not enough
42:20
Speaker 1: states have strong laws relative to this, it becomes a
42:25
Speaker 1: bit of a revolving door. Absent any violence. It goes
42:30
Speaker 1: based on the lowest level of what you know, what
42:33
Speaker 1: the actual crime is, like a breaking and entering, and
42:37
Speaker 1: so you know, it sort of rolls through. Uh, it's
42:41
Speaker 1: not fierce enough in terms of the legislature, you know,
42:45
Speaker 1: really identifying beyond just the celebrity stalker that it goes
42:50
Speaker 1: on in domestic relationships as well. It just doesn't get
42:53
Speaker 1: the coverage, And I think if it did and the
42:55
Speaker 1: laws were tightened, we'd be in a better spot to
42:58
Speaker 1: try and stop these things propolact. You know. Um, This
43:02
Speaker 1: guy breaks into Swift's townhouse in New York, where he
43:07
Speaker 1: takes a shower and a nap. A neighbor calls the
43:10
Speaker 1: cops after spotting twenty two year old Roger Alvarado climbing
43:15
Speaker 1: the fire escape with use of a ladder, smashing a
43:19
Speaker 1: window and letting himself in. Okay, the guy has come
43:25
Speaker 1: all the way from Homestead, Florida. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
43:31
Speaker 1: forensics expert you've testified in so many cases. The guy
43:34
Speaker 1: comes all the way from Homestead, Florida to get into
43:39
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's soho her townhouse, breaks in, Nobody catches him,
43:47
Speaker 1: even though he's leaned a ladder up against the building
43:49
Speaker 1: and smashed a window to get in. This sah as not.
43:54
Speaker 1: It doesn't end like Goldilocks. Okay, he breaks in, he
43:57
Speaker 1: takes a shower, he gets in her bed for what
44:01
Speaker 1: after traveling all that way? Joe Scott, Yeah, oh my god,
44:06
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted just listening to this. It's idle hands or
44:10
Speaker 1: the Devil's workshop. How how how do people like this
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Speaker 1: have time? How do they have the resources in order
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Speaker 1: to facilitate this? And go back to what you said,
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Speaker 1: I'm imagining this guy walking down the street in Soho
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Speaker 1: of all places, carrying a ladder that would facilitate him
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Speaker 1: getting up to this height. How do they have the
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Speaker 1: means the ability? You know, I look at this and
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Speaker 1: I think, well, who else in their life is enabling
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Speaker 1: this behavior? Well? I think a lot of it has
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Speaker 1: to do, uh with what a steam council said just
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Speaker 1: a moment ago. The states. The States aren't taking a
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Speaker 1: heard enough look and a hard enough line. And I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it comes back to families. Also.
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Speaker 1: We talked about this ranking guy. You know, his his
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Speaker 1: you know, his family is obviously aware that he's delusional,
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Speaker 1: and and he's got his weapons back. And then you
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Speaker 1: look at this guy, you know, what's his story? How
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Speaker 1: does he have the ability to make it all the way?
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Speaker 1: That's a long way, Nancy, from Homestead all the way
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Speaker 1: up to Oh my god, other one too, Alexis to
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Speaker 1: rest Chuck joining me from Radar online dot com. You're
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Speaker 1: there on the same from the last break in there
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Speaker 1: at Beverly Hills. This gun owning stalker tries to break
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Speaker 1: in wearing a mask with rubber gloves, but in his
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Speaker 1: car was a treasure trove of I would say, felony paraphernalia.
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Speaker 1: This guy is thirty eight year old Julius sand Rock.
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Speaker 1: Now do you know what all he had in his car? Alexis?
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Speaker 1: I believe I'll give you a hint. A twenty two
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Speaker 1: caliber handgun, a nine millimeter handgun, UH three eight handgun,
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Speaker 1: and a temporary restraining order. That's what's in his car.
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Speaker 1: He also had an empty gun holster, live rounds of
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Speaker 1: Ferraci ammo, latex gloves, black gloves, a knife, multiple masks,
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Speaker 1: a black half face mask, nine millimeter ammunition, an empty
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Speaker 1: box of twenty two caliber AMMI MMO, and black rope.
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Speaker 1: They found UH oxy codone anti depressants, and a t
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Speaker 1: r O signed by a judge the past Tuesday. Uh
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Speaker 1: do you know more than that? What can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about that guy, Alexis? Well, what do you say
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Speaker 1: about the guy's tailor? Has been aware of this and
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Speaker 1: what she has done in Beverly Hills. She has built again.
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Speaker 1: As I was saying, she she's so aware of this,
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Speaker 1: these stalkers, these men stalking her. She built a wall
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Speaker 1: around her house that was so high that the neighbors
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Speaker 1: really started complaining about it. But then when you look
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Speaker 1: at what happens to her, what else can she possibly do?
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Speaker 1: Can she have armed guards standing on towers around her house?
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Speaker 1: I mean a bunch of rman shepherds, so that this guy,
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Speaker 1: this is somebody that is very familiar to her. And
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Speaker 1: you know something that we have a real issue with
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Speaker 1: that you and I do is do we talk about
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Speaker 1: these people because the more that we talk about them
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Speaker 1: there we feel that, you know, they are feeding into
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Speaker 1: this fame because they just can't get enough of hearing
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Speaker 1: about themselves and Taylor Swift in it. As Dr Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall was saying, it really shows that they have a
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Speaker 1: relationship with her and they're not afraid of anything. They're
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Speaker 1: not afraid of the police, they're not a judge to
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Speaker 1: the similarity Alexis to rust Chuck, the last guy who Alvarado,
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Speaker 1: who travels from homes to Florida all the way to
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Speaker 1: New York to visit with Taylor Swift, who ends up
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Speaker 1: naked and wet in her bed. Then you've got this
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Speaker 1: guy sand Rock. Listen to this. He's from Colorado where
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Speaker 1: he's had all sorts of problems in Colorado discharging firearms.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure his family couldn't wait to get rid of him.
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Speaker 1: He goes all the way, travels from Colorado to l
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Speaker 1: A specifically to quote visit Swift. Both of them hold on, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I need to give this to a shrink um. Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, l A psychoanalysts also joining us from that location.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, both of them travel thousands of miles to
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Speaker 1: get to Taylor Swift. I can do her home right.
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Speaker 1: And so what I think about that is that both
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Speaker 1: of them may have sort of a manic quality to
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Speaker 1: their disorder, meaning excessive amounts of energy. And we saw
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Speaker 1: this with Ranking two. You know that he bursts into
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Speaker 1: this waffle house and he's naked. Okay, this other guy
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Speaker 1: has all the one we're talking about just now has
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Speaker 1: all the guns, the rope to paraphernalia, and the trunk
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Speaker 1: his car. They're coming from all over the United States.
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Speaker 1: Most stalkers do not have a psychiatric disorder, but the
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Speaker 1: ones that we're talking about today do appear to be manic,
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Speaker 1: to have enormous amounts of energy, and a Russian They're
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Speaker 1: very preoccupied with the victim and probably have organized their
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Speaker 1: entire lives around gaining proximity to Bethany. Are you sitting down?
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Speaker 1: I am okay, you may need to lay down for
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Speaker 1: this because the Beverly Hill Stalker, not Alvarado, but the
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Stalker his arrest because just three weeks after,
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Speaker 1: another man named Bruce Raley was arrested in Connecticut for
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Speaker 1: allegedly robbing a bank because he said he was trying
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Speaker 1: to impress Taylor Swift. Oh no, yes, yes, Bethany. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they are coming out of the woodwork. Yes, any of them. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what. Taylor Swift somehow manages to land in
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Speaker 1: the middle of this controversy at the waffle house again.
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Speaker 1: Right now, back to the waffle house shooter, the tip
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Speaker 1: line six eight six two eight six zero zero. We're
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Speaker 1: hoping for a capture and the justice unfolds immediately. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye, friend, h.