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Former Rockies AGM Zack Rosenthal · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Zach Rosenthal is joining us right now in found Territory.
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Speaker 1: Zach was the former assistant general manager and VP of
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Speaker 1: the Colorado Rockies. He served in the organization for over
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Speaker 1: twenty years and joins us for the first time here. Zach,
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Speaker 1: great to have you on. How's everything going.
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Speaker 2: It's going great. Thanks for having me, Although I gotta
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Speaker 2: tell you, guys, making me follow a Hall of Famer
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Speaker 2: is not ideal.
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Speaker 1: You know, you got it, you got it, and we
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Speaker 1: picked like the man at the minute too, right. He
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Speaker 1: just learned about all of this a week ago at
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Speaker 1: the winter meeting, so he's coming in with a lot
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Speaker 1: of fire and passionate emotion. But hey, Zach, I mean,
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Speaker 1: we haven't had you on here, so we have a
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Speaker 1: lot to get to with you too.
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Speaker 3: Always Fat is to.
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Speaker 1: Talk to front office members, and we do it frequently
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Speaker 1: on this show. Let's just start with your take on
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Speaker 1: the state of the Rockies and what you did there, right,
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Speaker 1: and what's going on there now as they are going
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Speaker 1: through a number of changes. Just want to give your take.
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Speaker 1: If I saw you randomly at a bar, hey, what's
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Speaker 1: up with the Rockies and how was it being there
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Speaker 1: for a while? What would you tell me, well, I.
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Speaker 2: Would say first of all that it was an awesome
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Speaker 2: twenty years, right, I mean from I mean I started
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and six as and in turn two
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Speaker 2: thousand and seven we went to the World Series. So
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Speaker 2: it you know, getting off to that kind of a
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Speaker 2: start was amazing. Got to work with so many incredibly
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Speaker 2: smart and good people, and you know, I think over time,
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Speaker 2: you know, you go through the ups and downs like
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Speaker 2: every organization does, and you know right now where they are,
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Speaker 2: they they've got some work to do. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: no question about that. But there's a lot of really
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Speaker 2: I think strong foundational pieces in both the front office
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Speaker 2: and in the clubhouse that I think, you know, is
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Speaker 2: going to allow them to make those moves more quickly
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Speaker 2: than probably I think most people think.
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Speaker 4: Talk to me about strong foundational pieces, Well, what does
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Speaker 4: that look like for a baseball organization, because as a player,
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Speaker 4: I feel like they don't have strong foundational pieces. But
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Speaker 4: I want to hear from a front office standpoint.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I think it depends on
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Speaker 2: exactly how you want to define it, right, But the
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Speaker 2: biggest thing is, in my mind, having just a handful
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Speaker 2: of young players that that are core players you can
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Speaker 2: count on, players that are going to perform, players that
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Speaker 2: are gonna be the right type of representative for the organization,
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Speaker 2: and players you can build around. And so you know,
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Speaker 2: there's you're never gonna coming off a season like we
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Speaker 2: had last year. You're not gonna, you know, have a
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Speaker 2: full roster of players like that. But if you have some,
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Speaker 2: then you have things to work around. And you know,
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Speaker 2: guys like you know, Ezekiel Tovar and Breton Doyle and
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Speaker 2: even more of the veteran guys, you know, Kyle Freeland,
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Speaker 2: there's some pieces there that bring experience and are certainly
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Speaker 2: talented athletes and talented baseball players, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: be up to the organization to kind of, you know,
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Speaker 2: build around those guys and make sure that the full
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Speaker 2: twenty six you know, looks that way.
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Speaker 4: What about what about from an organization standpoint, from front office?
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Speaker 4: When you said a strong foundation, I thought you meant
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Speaker 4: from a front office standpoint, they had a strong foundation.
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Speaker 3: Because I'll get right to it.
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Speaker 4: I feel like when I watched the Rockies, I feel
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Speaker 4: like and when I hear guys that come from the
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Speaker 4: organization that were really good players, it seems like their
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Speaker 4: foundation is not there, seems like it's on a weak
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Speaker 4: foundation of we got really good players.
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Speaker 3: We had Troy Tulwiski, we had Dj.
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Speaker 4: Lemayhew, we had you know, going back even to like
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Speaker 4: a Brad hopp a, you know, Matt Holliday back in
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Speaker 4: those times, really awesome guys. Players that weren't being that
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Speaker 4: weren't being supplemented from their front office. And so when
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Speaker 4: you's a strong foundation, I'm more talking like from a
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Speaker 4: front office standpoint, what do they have in place that
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Speaker 4: can move forward? Or is it something that has to
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Speaker 4: be torn down from the bottom and built all the
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Speaker 4: way up so that they have that strong foundation that
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Speaker 4: you talked about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. I don't I wouldn't say that
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Speaker 2: it needs to be torn down in its entirety. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there are there are a lot of really really good
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Speaker 2: baseball people that work for the Rockies. I mean really smart, creative,
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Speaker 2: open minded, and you know, I think, more than anything,
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Speaker 2: very passionate about the organization. I mean that I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's any secret that the Rockies are a pretty
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Speaker 2: loyal organization. The ownership is pretty loyal. You know, there's
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Speaker 2: people that have been there a long time, and so
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Speaker 2: you know, everybody, everybody wants the same thing among that group,
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Speaker 2: and that's to get back to where we've been. And
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, also I try to remind our staff.
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Speaker 2: When I was there, I would remind, especially our younger staff,
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Speaker 2: we've seen teams win in Denver. You know, we went
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Speaker 2: to the playoffs in or we went to the World
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Speaker 2: Series in two thousand and seven, as I mentioned, But
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Speaker 2: that little stretch was good. The two thousand and nine
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Speaker 2: team was good, the twenty ten team was good. There
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Speaker 2: was a little bit of a downturn there for a
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Speaker 2: few years after that, but again we got that core
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Speaker 2: put back together and in seventeen and eighteen we were
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And so, you know, I think it's
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Speaker 2: really important to remind the younger staff that are kind
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Speaker 2: of the new building blocks of that foundation that it's
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Speaker 2: it's doable because we've done it.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I do think that it's going to be up to
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Speaker 2: ownership to invest a little bit more in some of
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Speaker 2: the areas that you read about, you know, from a
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Speaker 2: technology standpoint, just the number of staff members, I think
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Speaker 2: the Rockies are still probably the smallest baseball op staff
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Speaker 2: in the game. So there's some more to do there,
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Speaker 2: but you know, they've hired some good people here in
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Speaker 2: the last couple of months, and I'm excited to see
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Speaker 2: what those guys can do with the pieces that have
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Speaker 2: been in place and that I know really well and
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Speaker 2: know that can I know they can contribute big time
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Speaker 2: to a championship organization.
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Speaker 1: Zach, what was it like at the end of your tenure?
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Speaker 1: From what I know, you had the ability to run
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Speaker 1: the front office for a very short period of time
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Speaker 1: while they were going through the transition, right, yeah, so yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: so because it was right it was like an interim.
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Speaker 1: So what was it like there down the stretch when
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Speaker 1: you know they're going through the transition and then suddenly
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Speaker 1: you know, you're given that role to I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I mean how much decision making because it was a
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Speaker 1: short period of time. But what was that time period like?
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Speaker 1: And you know, is it something that you enjoyed and said,
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Speaker 1: oh okay, maybe I can be the GM of this
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Speaker 1: team or another team going forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was it was a really short period
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Speaker 2: of time and built stepped down shortly after the season ended.
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Speaker 2: I think just you know, the day after the second
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Speaker 2: day after and you know, I decided to leave a
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Speaker 2: week ten days after that, and and for me it
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Speaker 2: was it was just time for a change. I mean,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty years in one place is a long long time,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I felt like there was an opportunity
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Speaker 2: for me to get out there and and see other
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Speaker 2: ways of doing things, to learn from some other people,
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Speaker 2: to learn some some other skills or some other just
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Speaker 2: ways of evaluating baseball players and putting together a front office.
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Speaker 2: I definitely, you know, enjoyed my role with the Rockies
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Speaker 2: really the whole way through. And and do I have
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Speaker 2: interest in being a GM someday, Yeah, I would love to.
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Speaker 2: I think that's that's the goal for most people and
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Speaker 2: who get into the front office. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: was extremely fortunate to, you know, have had the opportunity
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Speaker 2: you need to move up through the Rockies front office
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Speaker 2: the way I did, you know, working with with Jeff Bright.
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Speaker 2: It's when he was the GM, you know, one of
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Speaker 2: my best friends. Great, great years there of success on
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Speaker 2: the field and and just a heck of a lot
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Speaker 2: of fun in the in the front office as well.
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Speaker 3: So you know, I try to.
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Speaker 2: Look at every opportunity Scott as as a learning opportunity.
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Speaker 2: You know, you can learn from the wins, you can
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Speaker 2: learn from the losses. You you know you can if
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Speaker 2: you really take advantage of it. You can. You can
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Speaker 2: learn from from every experience, and so I tried to take,
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Speaker 2: you know, each day with the Rockies and put it
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Speaker 2: to good use for me in the future.
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Speaker 4: One of the best qualities as a person is loyalty.
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Speaker 4: Maybe one of the most hamstrung qualities of a baseball
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Speaker 4: organization can be loyalty. There's there's organizations. Do you feel
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Speaker 4: like that's brought up because people don't know because people
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Speaker 4: haven't been in I look at the White Sox. Jerry
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Speaker 4: Reinsdorff is super loyal and it's kind of put them
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Speaker 4: in a little bit of a tailspin. I look at
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Speaker 4: the Rockies both from outsiders type of point of view,
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Speaker 4: but it kind of has put the organization in an
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Speaker 4: area where it looks like from an outside like so
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Speaker 4: much loyalty, it's just the same guys getting recycled to
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Speaker 4: new positions, but just different titles.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can see that from the outside.
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't necessarily think that that's the case
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Speaker 2: on the inside, though, you know, the folks that that
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Speaker 2: I think ownership in Colorado have been most loyalty are
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Speaker 2: the ones that are really good, the ones that you
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Speaker 2: know that have had the opportunities to move up and
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Speaker 2: gain more responsibility or get experienced in different areas. You know,
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Speaker 2: it can it can be viewed from the outside as
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Speaker 2: a as a deterent for sure. I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: one of the things that if I could just if
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Speaker 2: I was the owner and could just do whatever, you know,
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Speaker 2: I think the loyalty piece is actually really important. I
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Speaker 2: think it creates a lot of love for the organization.
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Speaker 2: It creates a lot of passion from the employees for
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Speaker 2: the organization. But I think what we needed to do
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Speaker 2: a better job of, and I think we're starting to
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Speaker 2: maybe see a little bit of that here over the
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Speaker 2: last few weeks in Colorado is bringing in, you know,
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Speaker 2: some people from the outside as well to supplement you know,
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Speaker 2: the folks that have been there a long time. Just
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Speaker 2: because you've been somewhere a long time and you know
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Speaker 2: the owner's loyal or you're loyal as an employee doesn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily mean you're not doing the job right. It just
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Speaker 2: you know, it's the combination of everything and and as
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Speaker 2: you guys know, it's it's all about who's at the top, right,
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Speaker 2: It's all about who is the GM, how involved is
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Speaker 2: the owner going to be, what's that vision look like?
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Speaker 2: And then you know, for everybody else, it's about executing
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Speaker 2: that vision and making sure that you know, what they
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Speaker 2: want to see on the field is what we put
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Speaker 2: on the field.
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Speaker 5: From a players standpoint, we always want the front office
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Speaker 5: to go for it. We always want you guys to
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Speaker 5: to have our backs, if so to speak and spend
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Speaker 5: unless it's our position, then we want you to Hey,
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Speaker 5: we're fine, don't touch us. Like that's how we always work.
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Speaker 5: But what's uh, what don't we understand? I guess because
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Speaker 5: there's always it's it's never that simple. It's obviously there's
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Speaker 5: tons of moving pieces around that you guys have to
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Speaker 5: deal with. So what is the biggest thing that players
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Speaker 5: don't understand about how front offices work? I guess what
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Speaker 5: would you say to all the players, like, what are
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Speaker 5: we missing where it's not it's just not that easy
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Speaker 5: or simple?
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 2: Because it takes two to get a deal done always right,
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Speaker 2: so you know, whether it's a free agent signing or
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Speaker 2: a trade. I mean, I there have been so so
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Speaker 2: so many conversations that we have had about making deals
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Speaker 2: with teams or with agents that just never get to
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Speaker 2: that finish line for whatever reason. And it's never as
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Speaker 2: simple as, hey, you know, we need a we need
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Speaker 2: a catcher, so look we're going to go just get one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you're a kind of a middle market
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Speaker 2: team too, you know, you're you have to pay attention
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Speaker 2: to your expenses, to your payroll, and you're also trying
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Speaker 2: to balance that like, hey, let's go get let's go
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Speaker 2: help this team right now, but let's not mortgage the future,
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Speaker 2: because that's that's really the only way we're going to
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Speaker 2: be able to compete long term is making sure that
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Speaker 2: we have those pieces coming up. So it's a tricky balance.
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Speaker 2: I think. I think a good front office knows when
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Speaker 2: to roll the dice and knows when to really push
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Speaker 2: their chips in and then knows when to take a
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Speaker 2: step back. And and that's you know, that's probably the
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Speaker 2: biggest advice that I've given, like our younger staffers in
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Speaker 2: the offices they've come through, is just you have to
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Speaker 2: be nimble, you have to be agile, you have to
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Speaker 2: be willing to work differently depending upon whatever that situation is.
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Speaker 2: And then you have to be really honest with yourself.
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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 2: we actually did really really well in Colorado, and then
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Speaker 2: I'm very proud of is our relationship with our players.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm close with a lot of our guys.
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Speaker 2: I would talk to them at the trade deadline and
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Speaker 2: you know, let them know what we're thinking. I would
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Speaker 2: ask their opinions, they might ask my opinions, and try
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Speaker 2: to be really honest with them about, Hey, we had
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Speaker 2: some conversations. It's just it didn't It didn't work out
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason.
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Speaker 3: Can it be fixed?
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Speaker 4: Can the stigmas that go around Colorado playing there as
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Speaker 4: a player?
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Speaker 3: Can it be fixed?
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Speaker 4: You look back at like Kyle Freeland's twenty eighteen season
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Speaker 4: ridiculous as a free agent pitcher, like wait, he did it?
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Speaker 3: You look at you look.
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Speaker 4: But oh man, I always forget his name. The lefty
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Speaker 4: that pitched back in early two thousands with came from
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Speaker 4: Mexico City.
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Speaker 3: He had success.
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Speaker 4: So look at so can this yes, can can this
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Speaker 4: be fixed? Can you as an organization, can the Rockies
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Speaker 4: as an organization say we're all in on this type
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Speaker 4: of player?
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Speaker 3: For the outfield.
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Speaker 4: We're all in on this type of pitcher and make
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Speaker 4: it ours because I think too long I've heard coming
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Speaker 4: out of the Rockies organization, Oh, we don't recover so well,
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Speaker 4: it's tough to put together an entire season. To me,
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Speaker 4: it's like, excuse, excuse, excuse excuse, when this could be
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Speaker 4: eighty one games of the Rockies absolutely demolishing other teams
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Speaker 4: with a home field advantage.
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Speaker 3: So can that be fixed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's it's we've done
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Speaker 2: it before, right. I think anytime you can point to
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Speaker 2: the past and say, hey, it works, we had success,
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Speaker 2: you know, I think you can point to that and
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Speaker 2: know that we can we can do it again. I
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Speaker 2: personally think that the biggest look that course field and
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Speaker 2: playing baseball and altitude is the biggest puzzle in professional
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Speaker 2: sports in my opinion, it's the game is different. You
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Speaker 2: guys know, you guys played there the games. It feels different,
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Speaker 2: it acts different. And you know, you talk to any
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Speaker 2: players that come over to the Rockies from other organizations
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Speaker 2: and and they'll tell you that their body feels different
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Speaker 2: day to day, and and that's just that's science. It's
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Speaker 2: it's harder to recover here. And I think what is
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Speaker 2: incumbent upon the organization is to create as much depth
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Speaker 2: as humanly possible so that you can account for that.
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Speaker 2: Whether it's optioning guys down for you know, to give
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Speaker 2: them a break, you've got to have somebody who can
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Speaker 2: bring up who can still compete.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: It's about having you know, maybe six or seven starters
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Speaker 2: that you trust so you can skip a guy every
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Speaker 2: once in a while, you know, even the position players,
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Speaker 2: making sure that you know you're not just giving a
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Speaker 2: game away when when no One or and auto is
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Speaker 2: in the lineup, right, So it's about depth, and it's
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Speaker 2: about creating as much of that as possible. I think
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Speaker 2: where the Rockies have struggled though in the past is
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Speaker 2: kind of a lack of a willingness to make trades
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Speaker 2: with those veteran guys, to create enough depth behind them
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Speaker 2: to ensure that you've got the player for sure, he'll
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Speaker 2: he'll freeze there.
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Speaker 1: Think we're back, but we had it was just it
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Speaker 1: was just the tail end. But we're good. We're good.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad we didn't lose you completely because I do
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Speaker 1: want to finish this conversation Zach with an important question
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Speaker 1: that has been asked, Uh, oh, Kratz. My mine's a
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Speaker 1: funny one. So if you want to get a serious one,
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Speaker 1: and I saw you just texted me, then then you
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Speaker 1: can go before I do, because mine's kind of fun.
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Speaker 3: One serious question, okay, Chris Bryant.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, can you give us your synopsis of not only
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Speaker 4: what you were getting when it came when he came in,
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Speaker 4: but how it's gone and what those you talked about,
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Speaker 4: like you talk to a lot of the players. What's
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Speaker 4: that conversation like with him when when you have that
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Speaker 4: conversation knowing what he was expected to be when he
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Speaker 4: came into this organization and signed the contract that he did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so when we signed Chris, it was
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Speaker 2: you have to remember, you've got to go back a
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Speaker 2: few years. You have to put put behind you what
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Speaker 2: has already happened here in Colorado because we didn't know
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Speaker 2: how it was going to go. And at the time,
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Speaker 2: you know, he was still a younger player, or at
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Speaker 2: least not an older player. He was right there in
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Speaker 2: the middle of his career, and he was a guy
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Speaker 2: that you know, had been an All Star of the
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Speaker 2: year prior we got to know him a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Some of our staff because we ended up posting that
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Speaker 2: All Star Game in twenty twenty one when they moved
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Speaker 2: it from Atlanta, and he was part of that. You know,
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Speaker 2: he had played well for the Giants the second half
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Speaker 2: of that season when they had traded for him, and
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Speaker 2: you know, we also organizationally had gone through Nolan just
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Speaker 2: having left, and so it was really important to our
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Speaker 2: ownership to make us flash and to show our fans
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Speaker 2: that they were willing to spend money and to to
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Speaker 2: try and compete and put, you know, the right team
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Speaker 2: on the field. I can tell you, guys, Chris Bryant
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Speaker 2: is one of the nicest human beings I've ever met
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Speaker 2: in my life. He cares a great deal. He feels
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Speaker 2: extremely responsible for you know the fact that he hasn't
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Speaker 2: been on the field much for the Rockies in this
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Speaker 2: first part of his tenure. And and I know it's it.
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Speaker 2: It bothers him. I've seen it, I've heard it from him.
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Speaker 2: It I think, I don't want to say embarrassed, because
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Speaker 2: they're they're real injuries. It's not been performance related. But
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Speaker 2: I do think, you know, he knows the impact that
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Speaker 2: he has on that payroll, and you know, he wanted
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Speaker 2: to be a part of this and he wanted to
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Speaker 2: help the team win. And you know, he hasn't played
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Speaker 2: a lot for the Rockies, but when he's been in
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Speaker 2: the lineup, it changes everything. Even though he's not like,
18:52
Speaker 2: you know, the Chris Bryan of of of old, the
18:56
Speaker 2: professionalism of his bats, you know, you kind of see
19:00
Speaker 2: that trickle down through the lineup, you know, and the
19:02
Speaker 2: younger guys get to see it, and you know, I
19:05
Speaker 2: just I think a great deal of Chris as a
19:08
Speaker 2: human being. I think the one thing that that I
19:11
Speaker 2: had somebody say to me once is that Chris Brand's
19:14
Speaker 2: biggest problem is probably that he's the guy you want
19:17
Speaker 2: your daughter to bring home to meet the parents, and
19:21
Speaker 2: you don't usually want that to be your best player.
19:24
Speaker 3: That's true, But.
19:27
Speaker 1: I got what you're saying though. Yeah, it's there's a
19:31
Speaker 1: certain mindset, mentality, all of that, you know that just
19:34
Speaker 1: makes him a super wonderful guy to be around. But
19:37
Speaker 1: that's also a difference in you know, how you want
19:41
Speaker 1: your general to be in war or something like that, right,
19:44
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, yep, yeah, but it.
19:47
Speaker 2: Can be true, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:50
Speaker 1: Right, And you can have different blends of people on organizations.
19:54
Speaker 1: But if you know it's a rocky team that's young
19:56
Speaker 1: and need someone like that, it's just different. Yep, right, okay,
20:02
Speaker 1: so let's finish with this. You've got guitars behind you?
20:05
Speaker 1: I mean, is that you? Is that somebody else in
20:07
Speaker 1: the household? People are asking NonStop because I do think
20:10
Speaker 1: that gms are often or front office members are often
20:14
Speaker 1: looked at as quarters of squares. I'm just being super
20:17
Speaker 1: straightforward about it. So there you go. But hey, I
20:21
Speaker 1: know it's a GM fact that are a great time, right,
20:24
Speaker 1: whether it's a great guy to get a drink with
20:26
Speaker 1: or somebody who really is musically talented, et cetera. So
20:31
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know, is that you? If not,
20:33
Speaker 1: what do you do for fun?
20:35
Speaker 2: No?
20:36
Speaker 3: That is me.
20:36
Speaker 2: I'm not good though, Just for the record, it's not good.
20:41
Speaker 2: So what But I grew up playing piano. I played
20:46
Speaker 2: the saxophone in college and was in an all state
20:51
Speaker 2: jazz band in California that we got to tour Europe
20:54
Speaker 2: a couple of times in high school. And music has
20:57
Speaker 2: always It's been music in baseball my whole life. And
21:00
Speaker 2: the guitar thing is a relatively new experiment.
21:05
Speaker 3: I really enjoy it.
21:06
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's a really nice way to get your
21:10
Speaker 2: brain off of the baseball stuff when you need to
21:13
Speaker 2: do that. And so it's like I said, I'm not good,
21:17
Speaker 2: but I really like it. You don't have to be
21:20
Speaker 2: good that on his wall behind him.
21:24
Speaker 3: I wasn't good.
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Speaker 4: I wasn't good with those either. They're exactly right, Jip. No,
21:29
Speaker 4: music is aura, bro. If you can, if you can
21:32
Speaker 4: play a guitar, just the fact that you put it
21:34
Speaker 4: on your lap and you play guitar like you've already upped.
21:37
Speaker 4: Because if you come in with a quarter zip to
21:39
Speaker 4: a party and you say you're a GM of a team,
21:42
Speaker 4: people are gonna be like and then you pull the
21:45
Speaker 4: guitar off the shelf, they probably won't even hear you
21:48
Speaker 4: play it, but they'll be like, okay, like I kind
21:51
Speaker 4: of want to see this guy a little bit more so.
21:54
Speaker 4: The music is aura. We can't all have black diamonds
21:57
Speaker 4: like Kip Okay.
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Speaker 2: No, I could not pull that off, no doubt, it's fake.
22:03
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter, but it's just.
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Speaker 1: It's a flex alone to be doing this conversation. There's
22:09
Speaker 1: guitars behind you, and you know, you know what you're
22:12
Speaker 1: doing there, right. You may not be coming up with
22:15
Speaker 1: the next great hit, but if you can play a
22:17
Speaker 1: few things, maybe next time you come back on, we
22:19
Speaker 1: can show the world that gms are humans too. They're
22:22
Speaker 1: not just hanging out in the front office all day
22:25
Speaker 1: and on their computer. They do get a little bit
22:28
Speaker 1: of time off, not a lot, I know, the job's crazy,
22:30
Speaker 1: but a little bit of time off to do what
22:32
Speaker 1: they want. So, Zach Greig, getting to know you, Thanks
22:34
Speaker 1: for joining us. Yeah, what do you got final work?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
22:38
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I think that's That's
22:40
Speaker 2: one of the most important things too, is whether it's
22:42
Speaker 2: the players, the front office. Having having an outlet that's
22:46
Speaker 2: not baseball is actually I think crucial to your success
22:48
Speaker 2: in baseball. And it's you know, something I encourage everybody to,
22:54
Speaker 2: you know, in our office to I mean, take some time,
22:57
Speaker 2: have a hobby, spend time with your family, do something
22:59
Speaker 2: that gets a brain off of the baseball stuff, because otherwise,
23:02
Speaker 2: I mean, you can think about it twenty four to
23:03
Speaker 2: seven if you want to, and you got to force
23:06
Speaker 2: it a little bit sometimes, I think.
23:08
Speaker 4: So I appreciate you guys having me on though you're
23:11
Speaker 4: the second best Rosenthal, but the first one we have
23:14
Speaker 4: on today. So we have to we have to always
23:17
Speaker 4: make sure because if Ken, if we would tell, if
23:19
Speaker 4: we would say you're the best Rosenthal, then Ken would
23:22
Speaker 4: be Ken would be super jealous and we'd have to
23:25
Speaker 4: deal with that. I don't want that, So we appreciate
23:28
Speaker 4: you coming on happy holidays.
23:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for.
23:31
Speaker 2: The record, we're not related me and Ken, we're not related.
23:34
Speaker 2: We're only related because we're in baseball.
23:36
Speaker 3: That's it. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah.
23:39
Speaker 4: And he would eat and he would eat all the
23:41
Speaker 4: turkey at Christmas dinner, so you don't you don't want
23:43
Speaker 4: to be related to him.
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Speaker 3: Perfect good to know. Appreciate that.