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2 Teen Girls Executed: HONOR KILLINGS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How do two teen girls
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Speaker 1: sisters end up dead north of Dallas and what exactly
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Speaker 1: is an honor killing? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series x M one eleven. First of all, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this harby no one. What's going on? Man?
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Speaker 1: I'm dying. Okay, let me transferak, I'm gonna get you on.
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Speaker 1: Get party one. Okay, hold on, won't say okay? Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, Irving Vertebarment, Irving Vard Barment. Still there, Amory,
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Speaker 1: still there? I'll get She saw me. She's dying. I'm
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Speaker 1: giving you. I'm gota. Why are you still here? Ma'am? Man?
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Speaker 1: What is your address? Madam then ensues the desperate search
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Speaker 1: for two young girls. You were just hearing the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call made by two sisters, Sarah and Amina
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Speaker 1: near Dallas, Texas. You can hear her say, I'm dying.
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Speaker 1: That's what's up. Crying, pleading, begging, but they couldn't be
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Speaker 1: located immediately. Listen to our friends at w f a A.
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Speaker 1: You hear her last breath. She was fighting till the
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Speaker 1: ferry d After that, calm there was a frantic search
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Speaker 1: for the girls, but technology was limited and the phone
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Speaker 1: couldn't be traced. Police drove up and down the streets,
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Speaker 1: searching for more than an hourgency, but then another nine
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Speaker 1: one one call. A cab driver at the Omni reported
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Speaker 1: seeing two girls in a taxi slumped over and possibly dead,
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Speaker 1: coming from her hair. To hear these nine one one
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Speaker 1: calls and connect them to two beautiful teen girls is overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: When I first listened to the nine one call, I
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Speaker 1: had to stop midway and gather myself and listen to
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Speaker 1: it again, knowing I was hearing that I was hearing
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Speaker 1: what we call in the law, a dying declaration, words
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Speaker 1: spoken as the life literally ebbs away the victim, their
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Speaker 1: last words. And this is from a teen girl, one
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Speaker 1: of them about the age of my little girl and
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Speaker 1: my son. It's hard to connect two beautiful teen girls dying,
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Speaker 1: shot dead in the back of a cab. Police tried
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Speaker 1: desperately to find them. When another nine one one call
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Speaker 1: comes in regarding two girls slumped over in a cab
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Speaker 1: at the Omni. Take a listen now to more of
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call, and our cab stands there,
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Speaker 1: who are as a driver that there are two people
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Speaker 1: inside the cab, one on the seat and one of
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Speaker 1: the real l one of the people on the and
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Speaker 1: those house. One looks as she's such to learned blood
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Speaker 1: coming from the I understand that we've got our officers
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Speaker 1: and now joining me as an off star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. Again, I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation in series X one eleven. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to high profile lawyer joining me
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Speaker 1: out of LA It's Troy Is Slayton with a Slayton
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Speaker 1: lawyer's group. You can find him at Troy Slaton. Troy.
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Speaker 1: I want to speak very quickly and narrowly to you
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Speaker 1: regarding nine one one calls. I would very often start
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Speaker 1: jury trials with nine one one calls because that takes
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Speaker 1: us in that moment to the time of the incident.
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Speaker 1: Unlike a witness, unlike a diagram or a crime scene photo.
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Speaker 1: We are in it at the moment of the incident.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree. I do agree, Nancy, and the defense
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Speaker 1: attorney will obviously object to it on the basis that
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Speaker 1: the statements are hearsay, they're out of court statements being
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Speaker 1: offered for their truth. But as you pointed out in
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Speaker 1: your opening, there are several exceptions to the hearsay rule
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Speaker 1: that would let this in. Number one, it's a dying declaration,
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Speaker 1: and number two, an excited utterance. Something that's being said
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Speaker 1: in the moment of a serious and alarming incident is
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Speaker 1: typically allowed in because it's reliable. Try Slatton is a
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer joining us out of LA at Slton
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Speaker 1: Lawyer's Group. Hearsay, what is it? I don't like throwing
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Speaker 1: around technical legal terms. Hearsay is one of those. It's
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Speaker 1: very simply saying in court what somebody else said, and
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Speaker 1: there are sometimes that's okay, But when that other person,
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Speaker 1: the third person that was speaking, cannot be cross examined,
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Speaker 1: then it can't come in except for certain except such
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Speaker 1: as dying declaration. Why can't it come in because it's
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Speaker 1: it's unreliable In a court of law. We need to
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Speaker 1: be able to test evidence through the cross examination process,
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Speaker 1: to allow a jury to hear from the witness and
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Speaker 1: have them be tested about their testimony. Were you able
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Speaker 1: to see it, were you was your eyesight good? Do
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Speaker 1: you have a good memory, do you remember other things
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Speaker 1: around the time. So that's what the whole point of
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Speaker 1: examining witnesses and cross examining witnesses. You're right, You're right.
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Speaker 1: Under our constitution, under the sixth Amendment, you have a
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Speaker 1: right to a lawyer, and a right to an appeal,
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Speaker 1: and the right to cross examine witnesses brought against you.
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Speaker 1: So heresay's unreliable, Nancy, Exactly, if you can't bring this
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Speaker 1: witness on that was speaking and that is the dead
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Speaker 1: team girl, then she can't be cross examined, and therefore
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Speaker 1: there is a leg to stand on that this should
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Speaker 1: not come into evidence at any given procedure. However, the
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Speaker 1: dying declaration and the excited utterance exceptions may very well
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Speaker 1: override that and it be allowed in Again, you're hearing
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Speaker 1: nine one calls made by two teen girls that are
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Speaker 1: literally bleeding out, dying in the back of a cab.
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Speaker 1: Why with me, as I said an All Star panel,
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Speaker 1: I want to go right now to renowned psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold, you
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Speaker 1: can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: and Jie, thank you for being with us. I find
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Speaker 1: it incredible amazing, miraculous that this teen girl had the
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Speaker 1: wherewithal to speak to nine one one in the way
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Speaker 1: that she did, and to even call one one one.
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Speaker 1: It is incredible, you know what, You know what it
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Speaker 1: shows me, Nancy. She did not want someone to get
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Speaker 1: away with us. She knew she was dying, which I
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Speaker 1: should have been a horrible feeling for her. But she
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Speaker 1: also did not want someone to get away with this,
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Speaker 1: did she. I think she was desperately hoping there was
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Speaker 1: a way she and her sister could be said. Let's
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Speaker 1: hear again our cut three. This is one of the
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Speaker 1: teen girl victims begging for help. Listen, harving that one
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Speaker 1: one of your what's going on, man, I'm dying. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me transpeak. I'm gonna get you only get hartif
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Speaker 1: I'm one. Okay, hold on, I want to say, okay,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, hervy Ver Devartment, Herby Fire Department. Amory's
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Speaker 1: still there, Lamory's still there at me, She's dying. I'm
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Speaker 1: getting I'm gotta why you're stilly'am man? What is your address?
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Speaker 1: I dam I hate hearing a nime on one call.
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Speaker 1: It's really hard playing them for juries, but it's the
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Speaker 1: truth and it's it's beyond a jury's right. They cannot
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Speaker 1: turn away from the evidence. They have to confront it.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, Who, what, where, why? And when? Who?
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Speaker 1: Want to kill these two young girls literally shooting them
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Speaker 1: dead multiple gunshot wounds in the back of a cab.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of honor killings? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at now this world. An honor killing
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Speaker 1: is the murder of one family member by another due
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Speaker 1: to a perceived shameful act by the victim upon their
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Speaker 1: family or community. They are predominantly carried out in honor
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Speaker 1: based societies, which define a person standing by their integrity
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the community. Those with honor are
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Speaker 1: generally viewed as good, while those without are shamed. In
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Speaker 1: these societies, women are believed to dishonor their families through immoral,
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Speaker 1: often sexual behavior. Because a woman is generally understood as
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Speaker 1: a man's property, their betrayal strips away their honor and
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Speaker 1: can be punishable by death. Honor killings can happen as
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Speaker 1: the result of a woman seeking to escape from an
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Speaker 1: arranged marriage or having an extramarital affair. They can also
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Speaker 1: stem from actions as basic as dating someone not accepted
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Speaker 1: by a family or wearing Western clothing. Getting someone not
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Speaker 1: accepted by the family or wearing Western clothing will get
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Speaker 1: you killed in an honor killing. And this occurs in
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Speaker 1: quote honor based societies. What's honorable about killing a woman
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Speaker 1: who doesn't do what you tell her to do? How
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Speaker 1: is that honorable? Take a listen to our Chenna hold on.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our Chenna. Payara was sanctuary for
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Speaker 1: families on forty eight hours. When a young woman strays
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Speaker 1: from what her family expects and she tries to stand
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Speaker 1: up for what might be her legal rights, her family
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Speaker 1: may react to retaliate by killing her or hurting her
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Speaker 1: in order to avenge her misbehavior and clean its own
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Speaker 1: honor redeem itself in the face of the community. Primarily
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Speaker 1: occurring in parts of the Middle East, South Asia, and
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Speaker 1: North Africa, cases of under violence are now being found
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Speaker 1: in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Experts have no
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Speaker 1: handle on the exact number of cases, but worldwide, the
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Speaker 1: UN estimates that at least five thousand women are murdered
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Speaker 1: each year in the name of honor. I've heard of
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Speaker 1: honor killings in third world countries, but not here. On
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Speaker 1: US soil, not a few miles shy of Dallas, Texas. No,
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Speaker 1: haven't heard of that happening until now. Joining me in
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Speaker 1: addition to high profile lawyer or Troy Sleyton psychiatrist, doctor ANGELA.
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Speaker 1: Arnold Is, John Guard, Chief Deputy Pitt County Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey M. Jimpson, Professor Forensic Pathology and Director of
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Speaker 1: Autopsy Forensic Services a University Michigan Medical School. But first
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Speaker 1: to Christy Missouri, Emmy Award winning investigative reporter. I want
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Speaker 1: to hear about the two girls, where they were found
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Speaker 1: dead and the nature of their injuries. Christie, So, the
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Speaker 1: girls were spotted by a cab driver inside a taxi cab,
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Speaker 1: shot multiple times. As any traveler might be aware or notice.
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Speaker 1: In front of a hotel, you'll have a line of
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Speaker 1: taxi cabs. This one didn't have a driver in it,
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Speaker 1: but it had two passengers slumped over, according to this
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Speaker 1: cab driver who made the second. Yeah, I know what
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Speaker 1: you're talking about, Christy Missouri. I mean I'm thinking specifically
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Speaker 1: about the cab line at LaGuardia. Have you ever seen that? Ye? Now,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's really long, but it's handled in a
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Speaker 1: very orderly manner. And if you're if the cab is
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Speaker 1: in front, the taxis in the front of the line
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Speaker 1: the other cabs and won't take a customer until that
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Speaker 1: cab leaves with a customer or just leaves. So I'm
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Speaker 1: imagining outside this omni hotel there's a line of cabs
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people waiting to get taxis, but
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Speaker 1: the front cab won't leave. Is it moving? The passengers
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Speaker 1: aren't moving, and there is no person behind the wheel.
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Speaker 1: And so the number two cab driver gets something, goes
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Speaker 1: to check on the cab, just find out what's happening.
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Speaker 1: Is that how it went down? That's right? And he
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Speaker 1: finds the two girls slumped lifeless. How many times were
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Speaker 1: they shot? Christie several in close range? Well, you're right, Christie, Missourich.
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Speaker 1: Sarah was shot nine times and Amina was shot twice.
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Speaker 1: An honor killing? What is that and what does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with these two young girls? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this This email Amina reportedly sent to her
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Speaker 1: Louisville teacher days before her death, confiding that her father
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Speaker 1: was arranging her marriage. So she and her sister we're
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Speaker 1: going to run away. I know you will search until
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Speaker 1: he finds us, and he will, without any drama, board doubt,
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Speaker 1: kill us. How many times? Oh, and by the way,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing our friends at five NBC, that was Maria Guerrero.
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Speaker 1: How many times to you, Troy Slayton, have you had
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Speaker 1: a case where the murder of victim says he she
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Speaker 1: is gonna kill me. Here's a great example, Troy, and
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Speaker 1: you and I've discussed this one a hundred times. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember Jody Arius and boyfriend Travis Alexander. How many
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Speaker 1: times did his friends say, get away from her. She's evil,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna end up dead. She's gonna stalk you and
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Speaker 1: stab you. One hundred times? And she did. That's exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened. I've had so many cases where typically a
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Speaker 1: woman will say, he's gonna kill me. Here's the key
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Speaker 1: to get into my house, here's a safe place, here's
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Speaker 1: the phone if anything happens to me. He did it.
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Speaker 1: And here you have this little teen girl telling a
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Speaker 1: teacher he will track us down no matter how long
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Speaker 1: it takes and kill us. It happens, Nancy. And also
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Speaker 1: in this case, Amina told her boyfriend that she knew
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Speaker 1: she was going to die at this young age, they're
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Speaker 1: already contemplating their death. I mean, John Garden is joining me,
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Speaker 1: Chief Deputy Pitt County Sheriff's Office in Greenville, who specializes
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Speaker 1: in domestic violence cases, John Garden, how many times have
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Speaker 1: you seen a murder victim, a homicide victim state like
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Speaker 1: a premonition X is going to kill me? You know,
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Speaker 1: we get that a lot in our post homicide investigations,
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Speaker 1: you know, after a homicide occurs and we're running down
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Speaker 1: the history, and of course that helps us, you know,
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Speaker 1: layout premeditation In some of the cases, we don't have
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Speaker 1: that all the time, obviously, but in this one you
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Speaker 1: have that and then to die in declaration that I
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Speaker 1: think is really really strong. It really is. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, let's take a listen to the beginning
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Speaker 1: again of that nimow and call the ten. Girl is
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Speaker 1: screaming and crying so badly it's really hard to make
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Speaker 1: out what she says. But listen carefully. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that she says? My dad? My dad is trying to
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Speaker 1: kill me. That is why defense attorneys would fight tooth
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Speaker 1: and claw to keep this out. If you listen carefully,
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Speaker 1: you hear it. You hear her pointing out who her
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Speaker 1: killer is, Troy Layton. Yes, Nancy, and that's why the
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Speaker 1: defense attorney in this case says that oftentimes when people
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Speaker 1: are in periods of trauma, that they hallucinate, and therefore
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Speaker 1: the statement is unreliable and shouldn't be admitted into having him. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you need to get that out of your mouth right now,
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Speaker 1: because nobody is believing that these girls hallucinated who shot
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Speaker 1: them dead in a cab? And Christie Missouri? Isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: The dad is a cab driver. He is a cab driver.
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Speaker 1: Can we connect him to this cab? Correct? He is
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Speaker 1: connected to that cab. He was driving them in his
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Speaker 1: cab and after the shooting went missing. It's amazing to
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Speaker 1: me that this is called an honor killing of all things.
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Speaker 1: But there were there were so many signs. There was
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Speaker 1: a trail a mile wide leading up to the murders.
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Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends at w FAA. There
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Speaker 1: videos that have rarely been seen. Well, this is the
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Speaker 1: auser said with his teenage daughters Amina and Sarah. He
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Speaker 1: followed them everywhere and he recorded their every move. Here
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Speaker 1: he's keeping an eerie watch on Sarah at work. The customer,
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Speaker 1: but she tried to part a job. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that she smiled at a customer? I guess she was
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Speaker 1: working fast food? What about it, Christie Missouri. He would
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Speaker 1: go watch the daughter and monitor her at work at
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Speaker 1: a fast food restaurant. He monitored every movement of every
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Speaker 1: female in his household, the two teenage girls, the girl's mother,
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Speaker 1: Everything was monitored. He'd shoot out the tires of his
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Speaker 1: wife's car so she couldn't leave to go grocery shopping.
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Speaker 1: It was a pattern dating back well over a decade
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Speaker 1: of just quick violence and controlling ways. To doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: my knee or reaction, which our knee j reactions are
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Speaker 1: normally wrong. But my immediate reaction is to blame the
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Speaker 1: mother because it's her duty to protect the children, to
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Speaker 1: keep them away from the father. Of course, I think
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Speaker 1: he's the killer. Their own father murdered them. Or what
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Speaker 1: smiling at a patron at a fast food restaurant? But
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Speaker 1: why didn't the mothers say get them out of there?
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Speaker 1: You see? That's I can completely understand why you would
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Speaker 1: feel that way and why your viewers would feel that way.
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Speaker 1: But this is such a this is such a strong
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Speaker 1: cultural I mean, you're going to have a butt in there.
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Speaker 1: So you think cultural indoctrination exonerates the mother from not
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Speaker 1: protecting her children. Okay, that's bs. Go ahead and try
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Speaker 1: to explain yourself. Think about think about all of the difference.
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Speaker 1: This is a type of intimate partner violence women, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Think about women that are that are involved in intimate
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Speaker 1: partner violence. Bcy. It is so hard to it out
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Speaker 1: of these kind of situations. Did she have any money? Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Ange. Yes. It's one thing if you keep yourself
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Speaker 1: in the relationship and you can't figure out a way out.
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Speaker 1: But it's another thing if you leave your children in
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Speaker 1: it and then they die. And I see it over
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Speaker 1: and over and over, mothers who will not act when
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Speaker 1: their children are in danger, and I say they should
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Speaker 1: be locked up. To call me harsh, call me wrong,
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Speaker 1: But if you want to stay in it and you
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Speaker 1: can't see your way out of it, that's one thing.
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Speaker 1: But to leave your children in mortal danger, in danger
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Speaker 1: of being murdered, rape, sex assaulted, that's on you, mom.
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Speaker 1: I completely disagree with you on that. What do we
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Speaker 1: know about this family's background? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at five NBC. They were all Americans. Sister's dreaming
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Speaker 1: of college and beyond, their lives cut short in a
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Speaker 1: taxicab on New Year's two thousand and eight. Prosecutors say,
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Speaker 1: at the hands of a father obsessed with possession and control,
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Speaker 1: you can hold him two balls, lady and serrifid you
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Speaker 1: can hold what they did? They talk to where they
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Speaker 1: need be friends with the dating outside their culture. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: will try to prove drove yonser said to murder, drive
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Speaker 1: him to murder. And I want to point something else
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Speaker 1: out to you, doctor Angela Arnold. You may be a
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Speaker 1: announce psychiatrist, but everything you just said about cultural indoctrination
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Speaker 1: is BS. They may not have that at medical school,
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Speaker 1: but I think you can smell it just as well
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Speaker 1: as I can. Because the mom was American born. She
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Speaker 1: is American born and raised in America. She knows that
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Speaker 1: this is wrong. She doesn't have to stay in a
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Speaker 1: relationship or that her children, her girls, don't have to
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Speaker 1: stay in a relationship because of honor. That is complete crap,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie well Rinpy, how do we know that she
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Speaker 1: wasn't a victim of this violence? Also, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that she wasn't just heard Christy Mazurk state that the
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Speaker 1: father or the husband which she retires, out just when
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Speaker 1: she's trying to go to the grocery store. So obviously
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Speaker 1: she is a victim of domestic violes, but that does
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Speaker 1: not excuse her for leaving her children in it. Hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what, she nearly escaped with the children. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Rebecca Lopez WFAA. In December,
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Speaker 1: their mother, Patricia, decided it was time to take her
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Speaker 1: daughters and leave. Said. The girls and their mother hid
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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma for a few days, but then on New
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Speaker 1: Year's Eve, Patricia went back to said. Amina begged not
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Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I said she was never going back,
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Speaker 1: but Patricia, this did. Amina said she was never going back,
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Speaker 1: but the mother, Patricia insisted that they return. Okay, Christie Missouri,
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Speaker 1: let me understand. They got away, they moved away, but
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Speaker 1: then went back. The mother goes back even though the children,
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Speaker 1: both now murdered, begged her not to go back. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct, Christie Missurik, That's correct. They fled the state
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Speaker 1: of Texas, rented an apartment under a fake name in Tulsa,
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Speaker 1: but returned back to the area where the father is,
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Speaker 1: where this domestic violence husband is around New Year's Eve,
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Speaker 1: and the mother's family is still baffled by it. You
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Speaker 1: can ask them today. They have no reason why they returned,
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Speaker 1: you know, to you doctor and Arnold again, I think
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Speaker 1: you're totally wrong. But she did escape and then she
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Speaker 1: went back. Does she need a man that badly that
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Speaker 1: she's willing to subject her children to this? Nancy, there
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Speaker 1: was in part of the violence that she has been
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Speaker 1: suffering all these years, which I'm sure she has, he
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Speaker 1: has worked on her brain and she was able to
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Speaker 1: escape for a minute, but she never really escaped psychologically
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Speaker 1: from his hold that he had over her. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's I don't believe it's as black and white, because Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I've taken care of these kind of women. Really. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is so hard to even convince them to leave.
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Speaker 1: I have tried to teach women always have a little
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Speaker 1: money stashed away, something in your car, so that if
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night you have to run,
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Speaker 1: you've got some money, you've got your key. It's all
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Speaker 1: well and good, And I agree with few our nine
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Speaker 1: years at the Battered Women's Center is a volunteer. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't even getting paid for it. Yes, I know that,
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Speaker 1: but when you leave your children in it, to hell
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Speaker 1: with you. They can both play jen Rummy with Satan
26:13
Speaker 1: for ally care well. I do believe Nancy. I feel
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Speaker 1: sorry for the mother, I really do. I feel sorry
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Speaker 1: for her too, but that does not remove the responsibility
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Speaker 1: from her. She put these children right back into the
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Speaker 1: frying pan. She gets them out of the fire and
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Speaker 1: throws them into the frying pan. I mean to you,
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Speaker 1: John Guard, Chief Deputy, pitt County Sheriff's Office. Your expertise
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Speaker 1: is domestic violence. I have no doubt in my mind
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Speaker 1: the mother was being abused. I have no doubt but
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Speaker 1: to bring the children back into this knowing what could happen,
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Speaker 1: it's a difficult to understand, but it's not uncommon. I
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Speaker 1: mean the when we talk about the level of control.
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Speaker 1: Once you're embedded into a relationship like that and you're isolated,
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Speaker 1: I know, it's tough to understand, and I would dare
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Speaker 1: say that we look at the thousands and thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of women that are the murdered over the years
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Speaker 1: in the context of intimate partner violence, I dare say
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Speaker 1: there's many of them that went back thinking they were
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Speaker 1: going to be killed. A lot of times there is
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Speaker 1: a ton of manipulation that never makes it out in
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Speaker 1: the press. Now we are able to see that in
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Speaker 1: a lot of the cases we investigate because a lot
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Speaker 1: of the things we monitor and have access to that
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Speaker 1: maybe the media may not. But this is absolutely not uncommon.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think she planned on this. No, I
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Speaker 1: don't think she planned it. But it's just like picking
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Speaker 1: up a loaded gun and pointing it and shooting it. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I didn't plan to kill Jackie. But oh, she's dead.
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Speaker 1: You bring the children back into a violent situation. What
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Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen? Even though again,
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Speaker 1: same story, second verse, same as the first. He promised
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Speaker 1: he'd quote change. So Mom drags the children were there, cheerful,
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Speaker 1: begging back to dad. Take a listen to Rebecca Lopez
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Speaker 1: WAA on January first, say he'd forced the girls to
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Speaker 1: go with him to dinner alone. Police say he drove
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Speaker 1: them in a taxi cab he was barring from a
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Speaker 1: friend to the Omni Hotel in Irby and shot his daughters.
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Speaker 1: Amina was shot twice in the chest. Sarah, the younger
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Speaker 1: daughter in the back seat, was shot nine times. Sarah
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Speaker 1: managed to call nine one one for help. She names
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Speaker 1: her father as her killer. Crime stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Angela Arnold, what does it tell you
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Speaker 1: that the girl were shot multiple times? He didn't kill them,
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Speaker 1: He killed them eleven times over. Oh, he was so angry.
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Speaker 1: It was all of his anger coming out. And I
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Speaker 1: can't even imagine the thoughts that this man must have
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Speaker 1: going through his head to be able to think the
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Speaker 1: way he does about these girls. These are his flesh
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Speaker 1: and blood and every ounce of his anger towards them.
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Speaker 1: And you know what else, Nancy, He was going to
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Speaker 1: make sure that they never got away again in his mind, Christian, Missurt,
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Speaker 1: what were they doing wrong? They were becoming quote too American?
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Speaker 1: His words? Well, why in the hay does he have
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Speaker 1: them live in America if he doesn't want them to
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Speaker 1: become Americans? They are Americans, correct, born and raised here,
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Speaker 1: daughters of an American born mother. But they were becoming
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Speaker 1: two Americanized dating outside of the Muslim culture. Talk about premonitions.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Marie Guerrero Coni Maggio
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Speaker 1: broke down on the stand identifying Ata. See photographs of
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Speaker 1: her nieces, saying a frantic Amina told her this the
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Speaker 1: day of the murders. Want to go back home. She
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Speaker 1: rather be to you, Christy, ain't Massurik they the two girls.
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Speaker 1: The two girls stated point blank, I'd rather be dead
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Speaker 1: than live with my father again. And it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: because he hated them becoming Americanized. There was more to
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Speaker 1: their hatred of their father. Isn't that true, Christie Assurik?
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Speaker 1: For sure? It dates back almost a decade before the killings.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, both girls accused their dad of
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Speaker 1: sexually abusing them, and their mother even swore in an
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Speaker 1: affidavit that the allegations were true. Oh there's the mom again,
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Speaker 1: the enabler. Take a listen to William Joy. W FAA
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Speaker 1: detectives say Sarah and Amina told police when they were
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Speaker 1: younger that Sayid had sexually abused him. Police believe he
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Speaker 1: was angry they were dating non Muslim boys. Cyril was
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Speaker 1: able to call nine one one and name her father
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Speaker 1: as her killer before she died. Let me understand the
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Speaker 1: sex abuse had been when Christy Mazuric. So that places
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Speaker 1: the girls at what age when they were being sex abused?
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Speaker 1: About seven and eight years old. Okay, the mother who
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Speaker 1: moves the girls back into this horrible and fatal situation,
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Speaker 1: says at the time, when they're seven and eight years old,
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Speaker 1: that the dad was sex abusing them. To TROYE. Layton,
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Speaker 1: joining us, high profile lawyer out of LA the father
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Speaker 1: should have been put in jail right then for sex
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Speaker 1: abusing the children. So often the mothers turned the other
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Speaker 1: way and they and I know this from experience, they
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Speaker 1: don't want to out the father as a child lester,
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Speaker 1: so they protect the dad and not their own children.
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Speaker 1: But here you have the mom corroborating the girl's story,
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Speaker 1: but nothing was done. I hear you, Nancy. But there
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Speaker 1: are reports that the daughters, who may very well have
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Speaker 1: been victims of sexual abuse, recanted their statements to investigators
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Speaker 1: that they were sexually abused. I've actually had that happen,
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Speaker 1: a recantation on the stand in front of the jury,
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Speaker 1: which is why I would have a problem in this
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Speaker 1: case to have a judge admit that evidence, because it's
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Speaker 1: again not reliable. I went forward in that case and
32:43
Speaker 1: the jury returned a guilty verdict, and I would do
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Speaker 1: it again because at this young age seven eight nine
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Speaker 1: years old, if the medical doctors states that the child
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Speaker 1: has been sex assaulted, which is easy to tell if
32:57
Speaker 1: an eight year old girl no longer has a hyman,
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Speaker 1: someone has assaulted her. And I would be very curious
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Speaker 1: as to the circumstances surrounding the recantation. Was it to
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Speaker 1: daddy's defense attorney? Why did the child recamp? Was she beaten?
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Speaker 1: Was she coached? Because you've got two children and a
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Speaker 1: mother saying they were sex abused. You got physical evidence
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Speaker 1: that would show sex abuse, and they named the father,
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Speaker 1: but nothing was done. The mom put the children back
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Speaker 1: in the home and now they're dead. So what can
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Speaker 1: an attorney, a defense attorney possibly say. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Sean Robert Fox. Fourteen defense attorneys counted no eye
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Speaker 1: witnessed our surveillance cameras captured the father at the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: and claimed the government focused on him because he was Muslim.
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Speaker 1: The state while Conde dausin for being a Muslim in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the evidence will Nazis work conditions
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Speaker 1: the capital murder's day who were not supported and you
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Speaker 1: not made him support in Okay, wait a minute, did
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Speaker 1: he actually just say that the state is prosecuting the
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Speaker 1: dad for being a Muslim in two thousand and eight. Oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, isn't it true, Christy Missourich
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Speaker 1: that simultaneous with the two girls homicides, the dad leaves
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Speaker 1: town and goes on the land for twelve years. Yes.
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Speaker 1: In fact, he was one of the FBI's most wanted
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Speaker 1: for over a decade before his arrest in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsies
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Speaker 1: and Forensics Services. Doctor Jensen multiple gunshot wounds at close
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Speaker 1: range on two unarmed teen girls. What does that tell
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Speaker 1: you about the mindset of the killer? Well, again, it
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Speaker 1: implies that there is a close connection with the individuals.
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Speaker 1: When we see extensive trauma, many times that is the
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Speaker 1: result of the individual, the assailant, knowing the victim and
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Speaker 1: attempting to basically destroy their image as well as their lives. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I've been aware of these honor crimes since two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two, when I was involved in an international conference
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Speaker 1: in Jordan, and it was it was sponsored by actually
35:30
Speaker 1: the Queen Labdullah and the medical Examiner in Jordan, and
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Speaker 1: they were first to start to actively publicize these deaths,
35:41
Speaker 1: which basically account for about sixty percent of all female
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Speaker 1: homicide cases in Jordan. I'm sorry, would you say that again,
35:48
Speaker 1: daughter Jason. Yes, honor crimes in two thousand and four
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Speaker 1: in Jordan accounted for sixty percent of all female homicides
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Speaker 1: in that country. Since then, because of the actions of
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner and the um, the Queen Um, these
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Speaker 1: have come to light and there is more scrutiny um
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Speaker 1: in Jordan. There was actually a law that allowed lenient
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Speaker 1: penal types of sentences for individuals who perpetrated on our crimes.
36:25
Speaker 1: And this is an interesting case because fathers are only
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Speaker 1: involved in about twelve percent of the honor crimes. Most
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Speaker 1: of these are committed by the brother of the individuals
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Speaker 1: who basically I would assumes assigned by the the the
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Speaker 1: parents to um to perform the honor killing UM. And
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Speaker 1: most of these these young women are between fifteen and
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Speaker 1: forty five. Wow, you know, doctor Jensen, you just laid
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Speaker 1: a lot of information on the Queen of Jordan and
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Speaker 1: the medical medical examiner there bring to light that then
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, sixty percent of all female homicides
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Speaker 1: were honor killings. That's amazing to me. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that we know of five thousand a year on our
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Speaker 1: killings is so distressing. I've been aware that they Recently,
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Speaker 1: there have been crimes or honor killings coming to light
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Speaker 1: across the United States. I know of one in New York,
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Speaker 1: New York State, one in Oklahoma, and I really wasn't
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Speaker 1: aware of this one in Texas until we started discussing
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Speaker 1: this case. That's right, So it's now a trend that
37:46
Speaker 1: has caught hold in the US. Speaking of the father's
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Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance simultaneous to his daughter's murderer, take a listen
37:54
Speaker 1: to our friends at w FAA. It's been nearly thirteen
37:58
Speaker 1: years since police say Yaser killed his seventeen and eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old daughters, Sarah and Amina on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 1: This man brutally murdered, shot to death his two daughters
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Speaker 1: in his taxicab. Wednesday, Irving Police joined the FBI to
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Speaker 1: announce that, after thousands of tips and six years on
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Speaker 1: the FBI's top ten most wanted list, said had been
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Speaker 1: captured in justin Texas in Denton County. We have tirelessly
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Speaker 1: followed every lead, never losing faith or hope that we
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Speaker 1: would one day locate and arrest. Yasser said, I pray
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Speaker 1: to God that justice prevails. The trial ongoing. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crumbstoy signing off goodbye friend,