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He gave his lawyer $10K to solve his own murder - MrBallen · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: One day in the spring of two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: a detective stood next to a refrigerator in her police
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  Speaker 1: station holding a container of evidence. She knew that what
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  Speaker 1: she was about to do with this evidence was a
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  Speaker 1: breach of protocol and could definitely get her in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trouble, but that was not going to stop her.
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  Speaker 1: let's get into today's story. On the afternoon of Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: April twelfth, two thousand and six, doctor John Yelnick finished
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  Speaker 1: up his final exam of the day at his dental
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  Speaker 1: practice in the rural community of Blairsville, Pennsylvania. He handed
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  Speaker 1: his patient to toothbrush and told her to come back
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  Speaker 1: in six months. Then he headed into his back office
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  Speaker 1: to pack up. Once he gathered up all his things,
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  Speaker 1: he walked out through the reception area and told the
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  Speaker 1: receptionist to have a great night. She waved and gave
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  Speaker 1: John a big smile. However, as soon as John actually
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  Speaker 1: left the building, the smile faded from his face because
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  Speaker 1: in reality, he had a lot of problems right now
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  Speaker 1: and pretending to be happy all day was actually really exhausting,
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  Speaker 1: and so John walked across the lot, climbed into his car,
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  Speaker 1: and then began the half mile drive from his dental
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  Speaker 1: practice to his house. So John had actually grown up
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  Speaker 1: in Blairsville and it had been his lifelong dream to
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  Speaker 1: raise a family here. So when he graduated from dental
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  Speaker 1: school thirteen years earlier, he could have set up shop
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  Speaker 1: at a big city and very likely made a higher
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  Speaker 1: salary right off the bat, But instead he joined the
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  Speaker 1: practice of his own childhood dentist right in downtown Blairsville,
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  Speaker 1: and it would actually turn out that John was able
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  Speaker 1: to make a lot of money right here in his hometown.
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  Speaker 1: This dental practice really took off in part because John
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  Speaker 1: himself was really charming and great with kids, and so
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  Speaker 1: lots of families wanted to come here. And so what
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  Speaker 1: John had done is with the extra money he was
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  Speaker 1: making basically above and beyond what he expected, he took
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  Speaker 1: that extra money and invested it into real estate and
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  Speaker 1: became a millionaire by the time he was in his thirties. However,
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  Speaker 1: it was not until John met his wife, Michelle that
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  Speaker 1: he really felt like he had made it in life.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle was a single mother with two children, and to
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  Speaker 1: John this was actually perfect because it meant that she
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  Speaker 1: came with a ready made family. Now, John's friends were
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  Speaker 1: sort of worried that Michelle only wanted John for his money,
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  Speaker 1: but when John's mom got sick with cancer, Michelle took
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  Speaker 1: on the responsibility of being her full time caregiver, and
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  Speaker 1: for John that was all the proof that he ever
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  Speaker 1: needed that Michelle truly cared for him. And so the
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  Speaker 1: pair got married in nineteen ninety seven, and they actually
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  Speaker 1: adopted a little boy named JJ shortly after their marriage,
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  Speaker 1: and so all together they had three children, and together
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  Speaker 1: this new big family moved into this big house with
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  Speaker 1: a pool and a hot tub. It was like everything
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  Speaker 1: was perfect. However, now, as John arrived back home and
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  Speaker 1: pulled into the driveway of his very modest home, and
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  Speaker 1: he sat there just staring at this new place he
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  Speaker 1: was currently living. He just thought to himself, like, how
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  Speaker 1: had everything fallen apart so completely? These days? John was
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  Speaker 1: very tight on money. He'd lent tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: dollars to a bunch of people because he was quite generous,
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  Speaker 1: but now he was having to ask for it back
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  Speaker 1: because he literally needed the money. And then on the
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  Speaker 1: marriage side, he and Michelle had hit this horrible rough
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  Speaker 1: patch that just didn't end, and they both admitted they
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  Speaker 1: had had affairs, and so now they were living separately,
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  Speaker 1: which was why John was here at this little house
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  Speaker 1: instead of coming home to the big family house with
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  Speaker 1: the pool and the haunt tub. However, the financial stress
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  Speaker 1: and the marital stress, as bad as they were, they
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  Speaker 1: were not nearly as bad as a third stressor in
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  Speaker 1: John's life, and that was that John was absolutely convinced
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  Speaker 1: that somebody was going to murder him. Now, this all
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  Speaker 1: started two weeks earlier when somebody vandalized John's car with
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  Speaker 1: spray paint and the police looked into it, but they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out who had done it. And you know, objectively,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having your car spray painted vandalized in some way,
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  Speaker 1: does not, you know, therefore mean someone's trying to kill you.
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  Speaker 1: But he just had this feeling that this felt really personal,
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  Speaker 1: like somebody was targeting him. And so eventually, over several days,
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  Speaker 1: John went from my car got vandalized to my car
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  Speaker 1: got vandalized, and it makes me feel like someone's trying
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  Speaker 1: to kill me. And John believed this so completely that
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  Speaker 1: he actually went to his attorney and gave her ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars just in in case he wound up dead
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  Speaker 1: she could use that to investigate his murder. Now, John
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  Speaker 1: got out of his car and he walked up his
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  Speaker 1: porch steps and into his home, and he closed the
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  Speaker 1: door and locked it behind him, and right away John
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  Speaker 1: just felt like this house, you know, it's already so depressing,
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  Speaker 1: but it was so quiet because nobody was here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he wished his adopted son JJ was here because he
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  Speaker 1: would have made the whole house just feel alive. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, these days John didn't see JJ very much.
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  Speaker 1: He would go long stretches between visits. John took off
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  Speaker 1: his shoes and walked into the living room, and there
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  Speaker 1: on the coffee table, he saw a legal document that
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  Speaker 1: he had been avoiding. That document was a stack of
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  Speaker 1: divorce papers. Michelle had actually filed for divorce three years earlier,
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, but she and John had
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  Speaker 1: not been able to actually come to an agreement. Now,
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  Speaker 1: to be clear, they were not fighting to save the marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Like the marriage was done. Michelle was actually already living
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  Speaker 1: with a new boyfriend, a Pennsylvania state trooper named Kevin Foley. However,
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  Speaker 1: what John and Michelle had been fighting which had caused
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  Speaker 1: this divorce to drag on, was Jj, their adopted son.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle wanted full custody, but John didn't want to give
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  Speaker 1: up his son. However, John knew in less than twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours this would all finally be over. Their lawyers
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  Speaker 1: had finally settled on a shared custody agreement, and Michelle
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  Speaker 1: had already signed the paperwork, and tomorrow it would be
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  Speaker 1: John's turn to sign. And so John took a seat
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  Speaker 1: on the couch and turned on the TV, but he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't even focus. He was just too restless. So instead
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  Speaker 1: he called his aunt, who he was very close to,
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  Speaker 1: and he talked with her for a while about the
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  Speaker 1: divorce and about the custody agreement, and then eventually When
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  Speaker 1: they said their goodbyes, John hung up, He stretched out
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  Speaker 1: on the couch, and he fell asleep right there. The
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  Speaker 1: next day, around three thirty pm, a nine year old
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  Speaker 1: boy named Zach Huss who lived next door to John,
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  Speaker 1: walked out the front door of his parents' house and
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  Speaker 1: across the lawn towards John's house. Zach wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: if John's son JJ could come out and play. He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't sure or if JJ would actually be around, since
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  Speaker 1: JJ did split time between his mother and his father's place,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, he figured it was worth a shot.
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  Speaker 1: But when Zack reached the front steps to John and
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  Speaker 1: JJ's house, he stopped because he saw there was this
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  Speaker 1: little glass panel to the left of the front door
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  Speaker 1: that had been broken shattered, there was glass on the porch,
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  Speaker 1: and also Zach could see streaks of what looked like
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  Speaker 1: red liquid that had dried underneath the broken panel. Immediately,
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  Speaker 1: Zach got scared. I mean, he sees this and thinks
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  Speaker 1: it's blood. He wants to turn and run away, but
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  Speaker 1: he thought about his friend JJ, and he was worried
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  Speaker 1: that maybe he was in some kind of trouble, so
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't just abandon him and so sort of mustering
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  Speaker 1: all the courage he could, Zack slowly and very nervously
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  Speaker 1: climbed the rest of the steps to the front door,
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  Speaker 1: and he tried the door knob, but he found the
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  Speaker 1: door was locked, and so as carefully as he could,
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  Speaker 1: Zack actually reached his hand through that broken panel to
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  Speaker 1: the left of the door, you know, being careful not
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  Speaker 1: to cut himself, and he reached inside the house and
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  Speaker 1: unlocked the door from the inside, and then he opened
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  Speaker 1: it up. And as soon as he stepped into the house,
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  Speaker 1: he saw there were papers strewn everywhere and there was
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  Speaker 1: a body laying motionless on the floor, covered in blood.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, Zach turned around and he ran. About
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, Corporal Janelle Lydick of the Blairsville Borough
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  Speaker 1: Police Department was driving with her husband and four children
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  Speaker 1: when she got a call from dispatch. A nine to
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  Speaker 1: one to one call had come in from a normally
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  Speaker 1: very quiet residential street, but the details were still a
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  Speaker 1: bit confusing. Despatch just said there had been a cardiac
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  Speaker 1: arrest and that Corporal Lightick was needed at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: There was no other information available, so thinking the call
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  Speaker 1: was sort of a run of the mill, heart attack,
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  Speaker 1: Lydick with her family just drove straight over there. However,
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  Speaker 1: when she actually pulled up to the home and got
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  Speaker 1: out of her vehicle, she could tell that this was
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  Speaker 1: not a heart attack. She saw the was a patrol
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  Speaker 1: officer waiting for her on the porch, and his face
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  Speaker 1: looked grim. Lydac walked over to him, and he immediately
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  Speaker 1: pointed out that broken glass and the blood that appeared
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  Speaker 1: to be stained to the ground, and so she asked him, like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? I was told this was a
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  Speaker 1: cardiac arrest, and all he said was, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably best if you just go in and look
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  Speaker 1: for yourself. So Lydik she turned and waved to her
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  Speaker 1: husband and kids, sort of signaling like everything's fine, just
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  Speaker 1: give me a minute, And then she stepped inside the house,
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  Speaker 1: and right away she was sort of struck by what
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  Speaker 1: she saw. I mean, the whole floyer was splashed with
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  Speaker 1: blood all over the floor and the walls, and there
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  Speaker 1: in the center of it, amongst you all these papers
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  Speaker 1: strewn about, was the most mutilated body she had ever seen. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Lydac had never actually worked a homicide before, but she
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  Speaker 1: knew as she tried and failed to count the number
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  Speaker 1: of stab wounds on this man's body that what she
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  Speaker 1: was looking at here was definitely not a cardiac arrest.
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  Speaker 1: This was her very first murder case. She also knew
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  Speaker 1: she needed backup because this call had been recorded erroneously
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  Speaker 1: as a cardiac arrest. But what that meant is the
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  Speaker 1: police had not sent a full emergency response, and so
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  Speaker 1: Lydac and this other patrol officer were the only people onseen.
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  Speaker 1: Lydac was afraid the killer or killers could still be
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  Speaker 1: in the area, or maybe even in this house. They
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  Speaker 1: hadn't even secured the house yet, and she's thinking. She
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  Speaker 1: brought her kids and her husband with her, So she
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  Speaker 1: immediately instructed the patrol officer to search the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the house, and then she went back out into the
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  Speaker 1: front yard to basically stand guard between the murder scene
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  Speaker 1: and her family, with her hand on the gun in
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  Speaker 1: her holster. Luckily, though, it wasn't long before Lydac heard
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of emergency sirens approaching in the distance. Also,
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, that patrol officer came out of
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  Speaker 1: the house to tell Lydic that it was empty, so
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  Speaker 1: the killer or killers were gone. The only new discovery
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  Speaker 1: this officer had made was he had found a huge
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  Speaker 1: puddle of blood in the basement where the victim had
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  Speaker 1: bled through from the floor above. And so at this
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  Speaker 1: point Lydac sent by to her husband and her kids,
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  Speaker 1: and she sent them home, and then she went back
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  Speaker 1: into detective mode and went back inside the house. It
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  Speaker 1: was around this point that somebody on scene told Lydac
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  Speaker 1: what the victim's name was. They said his name was
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  Speaker 1: John Yelnick. And so as the crime scene technicians began
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  Speaker 1: their work processing the physical evidence inside the house, Lydac
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  Speaker 1: began a slow walk through each of the rooms inside
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  Speaker 1: the home, trying to get a sense of who John
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  Speaker 1: was and also how he died. John's body was close
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  Speaker 1: to the front door, but it was clear that the
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  Speaker 1: attack that preceded his death had been very long and chaotic.
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  Speaker 1: There was blood all over the living room floor, which
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  Speaker 1: was also strewn with divorce papers. John's body was also
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  Speaker 1: found barefoot. However, there were bloody shoeprints in the house,
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  Speaker 1: and these prints were far too big to belong to
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  Speaker 1: that little boy who found the body. Zach so Lyda
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  Speaker 1: figured they must belong to the killer or killers, and
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  Speaker 1: so the crime scene texts were already measuring the prince
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  Speaker 1: to try to determine the killer's shoe size. As Lydac
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  Speaker 1: continued walking through the house, she didn't see anything that
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  Speaker 1: at least overtly looked like it could have been used
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  Speaker 1: as a murder weapon. She also didn't see any evidence
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  Speaker 1: of a robbery. The TV hadn't been taken, no drawers
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  Speaker 1: or cabinets appeared to have been opened, and so on,
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  Speaker 1: and to Lydik this actually made sense. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: murder appeared to be extremely violent and so very likely
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  Speaker 1: quite personal, which suggested that whoever the killer was or killers,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing they'd really wanted when they entered this
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  Speaker 1: home was apparently for John to die horribly. She finished
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  Speaker 1: her sweep of the scene, ending up in the living room,
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  Speaker 1: where it looked to her like the attack had begun,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when she noticed a check on the coffee table,
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  Speaker 1: right next to some of the divorce papers. The check
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  Speaker 1: was made out to the victim, John Yelnick, for fifteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and attached to the check was a note
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  Speaker 1: asking John to hold off for a few days before
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  Speaker 1: he deposited it. The check and note were from somebody
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  Speaker 1: named Melissa Use, and when Lydac saw that, she did
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  Speaker 1: a double take. Use was the last name of the
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood boy, Zach, who had discovered John's body, and so
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  Speaker 1: Lydac wondered if Melissa Use was related to Zach Use,
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  Speaker 1: the boy, And so now Corporal Lydak realized that here
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  Speaker 1: on the coffee table she had her first two legitimate leads.
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  Speaker 1: One her victim was in the middle of a divorce,
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  Speaker 1: and someone, maybe his next door neighbor, if Melissa was
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  Speaker 1: connected to Zach, owed him a lot of money that
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  Speaker 1: apparently she couldn't quite afford to pay back in one
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  Speaker 1: go that she had to tell John to don't cash
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  Speaker 1: this right away. It was evening by the time Lydac
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  Speaker 1: finally stepped back outside the house, and when she did,
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  Speaker 1: she saw there was a group of neighbors and reporters
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  Speaker 1: jostling around each other out on the street. So Blairsville
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  Speaker 1: almost never had murders, and so Lydoc knew this was
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  Speaker 1: obviously going to be a huge story. But for now,
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  Speaker 1: as much as she knew she was going to get
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  Speaker 1: hounded by reporter as she passed by them, she just
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  Speaker 1: needed to keep on walking because she had to get
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  Speaker 1: back to the station to get organized for interviews tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: like with suspects. However, before she could even walk down
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  Speaker 1: the front steps, one of the other officers on scene
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  Speaker 1: came over to her with an update. Over the last
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  Speaker 1: few hours, the police had fanned out across the neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: to speak to people to see if anybody had seen
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  Speaker 1: or heard anything unusual, and the police had come back
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  Speaker 1: with two very interesting accounts. The first came from a
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  Speaker 1: woman who said that the previous night, around one thirty
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, so technically early that same morning, she
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  Speaker 1: had woken up to the sound of a scream, and
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  Speaker 1: so she sat up she heard the scream, but she
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  Speaker 1: said the screaming didn't continue, and so she had ultimately
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  Speaker 1: just gone back to bed. The second account came from
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  Speaker 1: another neighbor who had also heard something around that same
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  Speaker 1: time the previous night. This neighbor said they heard a
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  Speaker 1: man yelling in what sounded like a very heated argument. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the neighbor couldn't make out everything the man was saying,
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  Speaker 1: but there was one sentence that was yelled very clearly,
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  Speaker 1: and that was I'll never loan you money again. And
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  Speaker 1: so instantly when Lydac heard that she thought of the
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  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars check on the coffee table like this
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  Speaker 1: seems to add more credibility to the idea that maybe
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  Speaker 1: money was behind this. However, the officer said he wasn't done.
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  Speaker 1: He said he had one more important piece of information
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  Speaker 1: for Lydick. In addition to the witness statements, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of John's neighbors had told the police that there was
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  Speaker 1: one family in particular on the block that detectives really
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  Speaker 1: ought to look into, and that was the Use family,
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  Speaker 1: because word around the neighborhood was that Melissa Use and
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  Speaker 1: John Yelnick had been having an affair. The following day,
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  Speaker 1: April fourteenth, Lydac was at the police station, sitting at
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  Speaker 1: a table inside of an interrogation room, across from Melissa
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  Speaker 1: Use and her husband Tom. Now again, Lydac had never
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  Speaker 1: done a murder case before, but she was a very
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  Speaker 1: methodical investigator, and she had a plan for interrogating her
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  Speaker 1: persons of interest. First, she was going to go very
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  Speaker 1: hard at Melissa and Tom Yuse, even though they were
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  Speaker 1: not her top suspects at this point. Her top suspects
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  Speaker 1: were John's soon to be ex wife Michelle and her
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  Speaker 1: new boyfriend Kevin, for the simple reason that in a
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  Speaker 1: murder case, from what she had been told, the divorcing
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  Speaker 1: spouse and their new partner are always suspects number one
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  Speaker 1: and two. The night before, Lydac had sent an officer
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  Speaker 1: to tell Michelle that her soon to be ex husband
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  Speaker 1: was dead, but when the officer got to Michelle's house,
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  Speaker 1: she already knew, although she said that she had heard
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  Speaker 1: that John had died of a heart attack. So this
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  Speaker 1: officer had to break the news to Michelle and also
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  Speaker 1: her new boyfriend Kevin, that this was actually a murder,
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  Speaker 1: and they both seemed genuinely shocked. Corporal Lydik actually knew
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  Speaker 1: Michelle's boyfriend Kevin personally because he was a state police trooper.
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  Speaker 1: They had actually worked together. But now, you know, Lydoc
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  Speaker 1: was going to have to investigate her colleague Kevin, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he's one of the suspects, which was obviously very touchy,
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  Speaker 1: especially amongst cops. And so what Lydac wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: was gat there more information before she spoke to Michelle
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin. First, what she wanted to do was rule
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  Speaker 1: the uses out as suspects, and she wanted to also
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  Speaker 1: get the results of the autopsy, which was scheduled to
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: take place later that day. So now Lydac looked across
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the interrogation table at John's neighbors, Melissa and Tom Use,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and Lydoc began by asking them what the deal was
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: with that fifteen thousand dollars check Melissa had written to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: John that was found near his body. Melissa answered in
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a very shaky voice. She explained that she and John
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: had been friends since about ninth grade and she was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: planning to open a new bakery in town and John
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: had just loaned her fifteen thousand dollars to help her
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: out with that, but then, sort of out of nowhere,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he'd asked for the money back. Melissa said she'd been
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: really disappointed when he did this, but she also knew
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: John was in the middle of a very expensive divorce,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: so she understood. She said that she had only had
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars in her account when she wrote the check,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and so that's why she had also left that note
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: for John along with the check, asking him not to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: cash it for a few days until she got that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: last thousand together. Lydoc watched Melissa closely as she said
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: all this, she did seem truly distraught over John's death
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and that the money really didn't seem like a big
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: issue to her at all relative to John's death. But
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: for Lydick, the obvious warmth that Melissa clearly felt for
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: John raised another more sensitive question here, and she decided
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that she really just couldn't dance around it. Even though
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Melissa was literally sitting next to her husband, Tom, Lydac
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: looked right at Melissa and asked her straight out, was
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: she having an affair with John? Melissa immediately flushed and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: said no, and she said they'd been close friends, but
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: really nothing more. At this point, Lydac turned to Melissa's husband,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Tom and just asked him the same thing, was his
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: wife having an affair with John? And for a second
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Tom just went quiet, But then when he finally spoke,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: he didn't sound angry or upset. He just seemed really
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: nervous and he basically refused to answer the question and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: instead he just kept repeating that he really had to
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: go take care of his kids. Now. Now, Lydoc knew
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: this had been a very blunt thing to ask, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Tom's reaction to this question was really suspicious, and so
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: by the time Lydoc told Melissa and Tom that they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: could go. Tom had firmly established himself in Lydoc's mind
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: as a clear person of interest. Before Lydac left the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: station for the day, she checked in with one of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: her officers who she had sent to go observe John's autopsy.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: The officer told her that the forensic pathologist had determined
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that the killer used a one sided blade to repeatedly
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: slash John during the fight. In addition to the knife wounds,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: John's jugular had been cut by glass, and John also
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: had defensive wounds on his hands, as well as cuts
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: on his back, which suggested he had at one point
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: tried to run away. I mean, Lydoc already knew this,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: but to hear the details from the autopsy reinforced how
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: truly brutal this murder was. And so what Lydoc thought
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: after hearing these details was Wow, whoever did this must
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: have truly hated John, and Lydox already thinking, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I already have one suspect in Tom Use whose wife
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: might have been having an affair with John. Certainly that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: would be enough to inspire Tom to hate John. Despite
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Lydoc's you know, obvious inexperience with murder cases. She felt
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: really confident at this point that she'd be able to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: solve this as long as she was allowed to work
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: slowly and methodically, like she always had on every case
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: she had worked in. However, the case was already getting
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of attention in the news, and so Lydoc
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: knew there would be pressure to show results fast. If
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: she moved too slowly, this case might either get taken
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: away from her or another police agency might get called
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in to help to speed it up. Now, Lydoc didn't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: want that to happen, but she also really didn't want
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to compromise her methodical investigative process either, and so she
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: figured she would have to strike a balance. That officer
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: who had gone to the autopsy had come back with
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: John Yellnick's fingernail clippings, blood samples, and tissue samples, which
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Lydic was supposed to send off to a state police
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: lab for DNA testing, but Lydac decided, now that she
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: had these samples that she was not going to do that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Lydoc really wanted to keep her investigatory options open and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to guarantee that she knew every single thing going on
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: with her evidence. In this case. And so after Lydac
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: got these samples, and after this officer had left, she
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: went to the department refrigerator and put them in there,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and then she went home. The next day was April fifteenth,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: so two days after John Yellnick was murdered. By this point,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Corporal Lydac had spoken to a number of John's friends
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and family members, and they'd painted John generally as as
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a great guy and a very dedicated father. Today, Lydoc
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was going to John's dental practice to talk to his
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: colleagues to see if they had anything different to say.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Soon as lyc arrived at John's office, she was glad
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: she had decided to go there because the dental hygienis
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and the receptionist had a lot to say about John's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: soon to be ex wife, Michelle Yelnick. And this was
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: because during that long, multi year fight John and Melissa
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: had over their divorce, Michelle had at one point lodged
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: allegations against John that he abused their adopted son JJ.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Even Michelle's own family had not believed her, and officials
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: had declined to press charges. But at one point during
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the back and forth, Michelle had accused John of violating
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a stay away order, and police had come and arrested
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: him at work, and so John's colleagues thought Michelle was
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a total nightmare. She also called the office regularly to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: demand money, and John often caved and gave it to her.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But actually, according to one of the hygienis, Michelle had
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: called just a few days before the murder, and that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: time John had actually refused to speak to her. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: this detail definitely caught lydox year. It was not just
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the you know, colleagues at the dental practice that said
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Michelle was money hungry. A lot of John's friends said that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: They said it was Michelle who wanted the big house
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: with the pool and the hot tub. But John, it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: really had never felt comfortable with that you know, flashy lifestyle.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And to many of John's friends and colleagues, it was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that contrast between he and Michelle that ultimately sort of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: drove them apart. And so Lydoc began to wonder, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: maybe John and Michelle had a fight about money a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: few days before his murder. You know, where Michelle's calling
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: trying to demand money, John's not taken her call. Could
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that have been enough to inspire Michelle to murder John maybe.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: But also what Lidick discovered is that Michelle was actually
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: listed as a beneficiary of John's life insurance plan, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: so if John died, she stood to inherit literally millions
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of dollars. And so now there's like a twofold financial
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: reason for Michelle to want to bring harm to John,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: basically all because of money. But it didn't seem possible
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that Michelle would be capable of overpowering John and delivering
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: all those stab wounds and killing him. It just seemed
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like John would be able to fight her off if
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: she was the killer. But Lydoc thought, you know, maybe
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Michelle hired somebody else to do it, somebody else that
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: was much larger and more physical. She certainly had the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: money to do that. And so as Lyadick left the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: dental office, she began to think about how she was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: actually going to approach Michelle. Given the sensitivity of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: fact that Michelle was dating a cop, Ladak did not
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: want to make her move too soon without enough ammunition. First,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, this was not just the first murder case
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: she had worked. I mean this was, you know, the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: first murder case and the biggest case period that she
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: had ever worked. Reporters were calling her constantly. This was
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a really big deal, and she didn't want to screw
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: anything up. John Yelnick's funeral was held on stay April nineteenth,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: so six days after the murder and corporal Lydoc knew
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that his friends and family were already beginning to get
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: pretty antsy about why the investigation seemed to be moving
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: so slowly. But I mean, Ladik did understand where they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: were coming from. I mean, from day one, there was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: an enormous amount of media pressure, just very public pressure
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to solve this thing right away, and so that was
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: weighing on friends and family, and also John himself, before
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: he was killed, had this paranoia that he was going
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to be murdered, and now he's turned up dead. It
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: just seemed like a crazy coincidence, or that John knew something,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that this really was a prediction that came true. But
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Lydoc also felt like John's friends and family just didn't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: understand why this was taking the time it was taking.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: She wasn't just being slow, she was being careful. That
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: was her way. Without any real departmental guidance on how
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to actually work a homicide, Lydac had developed a very
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, care full method of her own. And for
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the next several months, Lydac continued to follow her protocol
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and she did take her time, but again with intention.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: The crime scene unit had not turned up any matchable
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: DNA or fingerprints at the crime scene, and the bloody
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: footprints they found didn't belong to any of Ladoc suspects,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and so for now Lydac was really relying heavily on
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: interviews and lydic I mean she would run down every
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: single tip and rumor that she could find, systematically ruling
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: things out one by one. And as she did this,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: she always kept tabs on her three best suspects, Tom Use,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Kevin Foley, and Michelle Yelnick, but she made no move
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to arrest any of them. Sometimes, the complaints from the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: public and from John Yelnick's own family about her failure
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to solve this case more quickly did get to her,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: but she was determined to manage the case her way.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: She felt like she was on the right path. That
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was until Melissa Use, so John's alleged fair partner and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: next door neighbor, hired a pair of psychics. It was
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand and six so about three
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: months after the murder, when Lydik got a call from Melissa,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Lydak had actually been pretty surprised to hear from her,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and then even more surprised when Melissa told her she
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: wanted to meet at John's house. And then when Lydoc
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: showed up, Melissa was there, but she wasn't alone. She
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: was standing on the sidewalk with these two older women
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: who she introduced as psychic's sisters. She said that she
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: had met them at a psychic tea party and they
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: had visions about the case. And Lydoc was really not
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: happy about this, and she was even less happy to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: learn that John's own family had given permission for the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: psychics to enter John's house. But Lydoc also knew that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: John's family was getting really edgy and if she wanted
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: more time to work on her case, she needed to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: placate them. If that meant working with these psychics contacted
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: by one of the suspects wives, then that was what
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Lydoc was going to do. And so Lydac followed Melissa
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and the psychic sisters as they walked into John's front
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: yard and began saying they felt hot and cold patches
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and lydac is doing her best not to roll her eyes.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And then when they went into the house, which had
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: not been cleaned out after the murder and so was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: still splattered with blood, the psychic sisters had a premonition
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that told them the killing had happened in the dining
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: room area. And then the psychic said they saw a knife,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and they saw stab wounds and a bloody footprint, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they said the the killer drove a black or red car,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and that the killer was not Melissa used his husband
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Tom now Melissa, as she listened to the psychic speak,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: she seemed really excited by this, but Lydoc thought it
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was all ridiculous. The blood that they were literally looking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at inside the home made it pretty obvious where the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: killing had happened, and the details of John's death and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the huge police investigation that followed had been all over
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the news, and so the thing the psychics were saying
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: were easy to learn before showing up here. These are
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: not revelations, and the fact that these psychics, who Melissa
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: herself had brought here and hired, were now exonerating Melissa's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: husband was not very convincing, and so as the group
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: finally left, the house. The only thing Lydoc thought these
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: psychics had been good for was taking some of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: pressure off her slow but steady investigation. She knew that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: at this point John Yellnick's family had lost faith in her,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: but what they didn't know is she still had one
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: more thing she wanted to try. She just had to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: wait for the right time to use it. Fast forward
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to February of two thousand and seven, so ten months
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: after the murder, and at this point, poor por Lydack
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: finally got her chance. John's cousins made an impassioned plead
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office to take over the investigation.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Lydick's cooperation with those psychics had bought her a little time,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but ultimately both John's family and Melissa Huse had got
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: more and more agitated by Lydoc's very slow pace. They
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: felt like the psychics had basically given them as much
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: information as the police had, and the Attorney General ultimately agreed,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: which meant Lydoc was losing her case. And on the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: one hand, this was quite literally the exact thing that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Lydac had been most worried about, that some bigger agency
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: would come in and take over her investigation. But on
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the other hand, the Attorney General's office was not the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: agency that Lydac had expected. And so now, even though
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this definitely stung, Lydoc realized that she could actually finally
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: make that play she'd been sitting on for almost a year.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And so Lydac went to that refrigerator in the Blairsville
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Police station and took out that little container of fingernail
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: clippings and other tissue samples from John Yelnick that her
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: officer had brought to her after John's autopsy. She had
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: been told she needed to send these samples off to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the State Police crime lab pretty much right away, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: she hadn't. In a total reach of protocol, Lydac had
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: decided to not do that and instead put these samples
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in the fridge and wait. But now with the Attorney
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: General very publicly stepping in and getting involved in this case,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it sort of made the case way more high profile,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: which in turn allowed lydec to send these samples not
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to the state Police crime lab but to the FBI
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: crime Lab, a higher wrung on the hierarchy. Now, normally
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the FBI would never take samples from sort of a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: small town murder case, but now that it was this
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: huge public case, national news. Lydoc knew she could take advantage,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: so she repackaged those fingernail clippings in the other samples,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and she sent them off to the FBI, and she waited.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: The day the results came back in. Lydoc was very nervous.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: There was a chance that she was about to look
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: very stupid for sitting on this evidence for as long
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: as she had. But as she sat at her computer
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and opened the email with the DNA results, her eyes
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: went wide. She almost couldn't believe what she was reading.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Because her strategy of intentionally slow playing this investigation and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: sitting on this evidence until right now had totally paid off. Finally,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: lydec on her computer was looking at the name of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: John's killer based on evidence collected at the crime scene
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and tested by the FBI. This is a reconstruction of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: what authorities believe happened to John Yelnick in the early
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: morning hours of April thirteenth, two thousand and six. Around
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: twelve thirty am, the killer drove their red car onto
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a quiet residential street in Blairsville. They eventually came to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a stop in front of a modest brick home. There
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: they cut their lights. The killer climbed out and looked
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: around the neighborhood to make sure no one was watching,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but it was dark, and so the killer left the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: street and walked around to the back of this home
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and then slipped inside of it through an unlocked back door.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Once inside, the killer walked through the dining room and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: then into the living room, where they found John Yelnick
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: sleeping on the couch. The killer gripped a single edged
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: knife in their fist and they walked right up to John,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and they raised the blade up and then brought it
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: down directly onto John. Instantly, John woke up and began screaming,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and he put his hands up to try to protect himself,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and he even tried clawing at the killer, getting the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: killer's skin under his fingernails, and so John eventually rolled
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: off the couch, desperate to get away. John eventually got
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: up and sort of began to stumble away, but the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: killer chased him down and the two began to wrestle.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And as they're struggling and the killer is stabbing John,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: John's flailing his arms around and he eventually hit the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: divorce papers on the coffee table, throwing them everywhere, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: then eventually, somehow, just on pure adrenaline, John broke away
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: from the killer and tried to for the front door.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: John eventually did make it to the front foyer, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: he actually reached for the front door, but the killer
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: actually shoved John as he did that, and John went
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: flying towards that pane of glass to the side of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the door, and his head went through the glass. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: when his head went through, some of the glass severed
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: his jugular and then John bled to death right there.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: The killer watched until John was totally still. At that point,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: they walked back out of the home, tracking John's blood
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: right back out the door. The killer was very confident
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they would never be caught, primarily because the killer knew
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: people trusted them with their lives. The killer was Michelle's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Kevin Fully and the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: fact that he was a cop was the very reason
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Corporal Lydac had decided not to send all of that
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: evidence to the state Police crime lab. Lydoc knew Kevin,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and she liked him, and she basically trusted him. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: as soon as her investigation began and she began to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: hear about how much Kevin seemed to hate John, in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: part because of the allegations that Michelle had made that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: John had abused JJ. Even though those allegations were ruled
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: totally unfounded, it seemed that Kevin ultimately believed them, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: so Lydac had become increasingly paranoid that Kevin was the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: killer and that her case would be taken over not
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: by the Attorney General's office but by the state police.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And she was afraid that if Kevin was guilty here, well,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: she couldn't really trust the state police crime lab to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: not potentially cover up evidence, or maybe Kevin would get involved,
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  Speaker 1: find out and he would cover it up. It just
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  Speaker 1: was too risky, and so she didn't want to send
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  Speaker 1: the evidence to the state crime lab. So Lydac had
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  Speaker 1: done something really risky to keep complete control over her investigation.
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  Speaker 1: She'd kept the fingernails and all the tissue samples that
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  Speaker 1: were collected at the autopsy, even though she knew they
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  Speaker 1: very likely contained the DNA of John's killer. Then she
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  Speaker 1: slow played her investigation, biding her time until she could
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  Speaker 1: figure out what to do with those samples, and luckily
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  Speaker 1: General took over the case and Lydok then got access
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