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Wired To Hunt Podcast #109: Technology, Trail Cameras and Montana · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one nine,
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  Speaker 1: tennis show is just me and Dan and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to catch up a bit on our current white tailed
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  Speaker 1: projects and discuss the tricky topic of technology and hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today it's just me and my
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  Speaker 1: co host Dan Johnson, and we're gonna be catching up
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  Speaker 1: on some of our current white tail related projects and
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  Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other interesting rabbit holes if we
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  Speaker 1: have time. I don't know. We'll see where things take us.
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  Speaker 1: But it's gonna be casual. It's gonna be fun. So
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  Speaker 1: how you been Dan, It's been a while since we've
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  Speaker 1: been able to just the two of us get on talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Like how casual are we going today? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Would you feel comfortable if I took my shorts off? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Not that casual? I guess you can. You can't really
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  Speaker 1: see me, No, I can't see you. But now that
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  Speaker 1: you're starting to describe it, now, I'm it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: forcing like a horrible image on me. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: part that I'm not so comfortable with to keep them on.
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  Speaker 1: This is you know, we gotta be professional. You know
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  Speaker 1: you don't need you don't need to wear them. Just
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  Speaker 1: don't tell me about it, how about that? Okay? Okay, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'll know that for next time. To be honest, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure I've always worn shorts wh we've recorded in
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  Speaker 1: the past, So think about that next time you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to an archived episode. So so we are. We are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about deer hunting today, folks, So don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: We're not just talking about weird stuff. But yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: but real quickly, then, what's new? I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: been some some exciting new things happening with you since
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  Speaker 1: we've chatted last right, but actually before Dan answers that,
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  Speaker 1: let's take a quick break now before we dive too
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  Speaker 1: deep into this conversation for our sickst story of the day,
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  Speaker 1: and today, we've had a quick anecdote from Ben Harshein,
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  Speaker 1: the founder of hunter Maps and also an avid user
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  Speaker 1: of Sick of Gear products, and a while back, while
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  Speaker 1: hunting Kansas, Ben had a close encounter with a legendary buck,
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  Speaker 1: and that encounter and animal was so impressive that Ben
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  Speaker 1: actually decided to let him pass. I'll let Ben explain
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  Speaker 1: exactly why he did that. Yeah, so I kind of
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  Speaker 1: went through some changes pretty quick. Um when I first
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  Speaker 1: caught a glimpse of of my news to shoot right away,
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  Speaker 1: and then as he came in and started realizing, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is Tank and and I'm well aware of Tank.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've seen all the sheds of maps gotten
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  Speaker 1: from him over the years, um seen hundreds of trail
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  Speaker 1: camp pictures of this dude. And and uh, but as
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  Speaker 1: he got closer, um man, he just really took over
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  Speaker 1: the wheel. To be honest with you, it was like
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  Speaker 1: he was changed, you know, my mindset um with with
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  Speaker 1: really what was going to happen. And uh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: he just kind of dominated the scene and we just
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  Speaker 1: literally sat there for twenty minutes with the camera rolling
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  Speaker 1: and our our jaws basically hitting the platform, our tree stands,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just awesome white tail footage and him snort
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  Speaker 1: Weason and he was just so worked up with throwing
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  Speaker 1: you know, his pawn at the at the ground. It
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  Speaker 1: was like he had a spade on the end of
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  Speaker 1: his foot. He was thrown so much dirt. So it
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  Speaker 1: was just I was just in awe of this amazing
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  Speaker 1: white tail, And you know, I decided right there, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna kill this year. I'm gonna I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 1: him go and and uh uh, let the quest continue.
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  Speaker 1: And I really feel like Matt should be the one
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  Speaker 1: that takes him, and he definitely gave me the green
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  Speaker 1: light too. But you know, I don't know. I I
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  Speaker 1: hunt for reasons, um um, for a lot of reasons
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  Speaker 1: that uh, you know, Facebook likes and and and just
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  Speaker 1: putting big Gear on the wall is not necessarily a
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  Speaker 1: measurement of success to me, and I really go out
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  Speaker 1: there and try to hunt for um these experiences as well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no doubt I'd like to kill big Gear,
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's um the memories you
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  Speaker 1: can make with with people in the field, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: lifelong brotherhoods, with situations like that Matt and I had
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  Speaker 1: in the tree, so um you know, those types of
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  Speaker 1: encounters with the white tail is really what what drives me.
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  Speaker 1: And I I think that I've got a trail camp
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  Speaker 1: photo of Tank hanging on my wall, um in the office,
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  Speaker 1: and that's that's a pretty awesome trophy to me. That
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  Speaker 1: right there, to me, that's what it's all about. So
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  Speaker 1: on this hunt, Ben was wearing a fanatic hoodie and
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  Speaker 1: the Celsius shack it. If you'd like to learn more
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  Speaker 1: about Sick of Gear, you can visit sick of gear
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  Speaker 1: dot com. And now let's get back to the show
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  Speaker 1: and Dan tell us what is new, dude, not really. Um,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I went out the only
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  Speaker 1: thing I've really done. Oh wait, maybe some stuff has
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  Speaker 1: gone down. I had. I had a trail camera day
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  Speaker 1: where I went out and I set up like seven
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  Speaker 1: trail cameras in mineral Um. This past Friday or Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Friday. I had another trail camera day
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  Speaker 1: where I went out to a different piece of property
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  Speaker 1: and hung my final three trail cameras up and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I only have one more trail camera to hang up,
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  Speaker 1: and um and then it. You know, then you've got
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  Speaker 1: a couple more weeks until I gotta check them and
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  Speaker 1: uh see what's uh see what's out there? So talking,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about trail cameras really quick. UM, I know
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  Speaker 1: you've been testing out some new cameras from Exodus, which
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  Speaker 1: is a relatively new company. I have one. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: I stually do put it out yet. That's horrible to say,
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  Speaker 1: but I've had it sitting and I just haven't put
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  Speaker 1: out yet. What What are your thoughts on that camera
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  Speaker 1: so far? Yeah, Uh, it's a very good camera. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um like maybn Optics and like qu and
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  Speaker 1: some other direct to consumer companies. You know this. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want this to sound like commercial or anything, but
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty cool because you're getting kind of a higher
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  Speaker 1: end trail camera for a lower price because they don't
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  Speaker 1: sell their's at like Cabela's or Bass Pro Shopper in
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  Speaker 1: stores or anything like that. So you're actually getting, uh
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  Speaker 1: you're getting a better camera for a lower dollar amount,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right. Yeah, No, I love that
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  Speaker 1: about with you know, for example, like you mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: optics with Mayven, they can put out a set of
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  Speaker 1: binoculars or spotting scope, their new spinting scope they launched
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  Speaker 1: for you know, like significantly less money than some of
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  Speaker 1: the other top line optics companies, but same quality, just
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  Speaker 1: because like you said, they don't have to have that
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  Speaker 1: up charge that a retailer put on there. So from
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  Speaker 1: a business standpoint, especially now with the way that things
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  Speaker 1: are going with internet shopping, that's that's a very viable
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  Speaker 1: business model that is good for the consumer, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: good for us to people trying to buy them. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're saying when you're saving fifth up to
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  Speaker 1: on some items. Yeah, I think we're gonna see more
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  Speaker 1: and more companies go that route. As you know, more
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  Speaker 1: and more shopping is done directly. Yeah. There's a brand
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  Speaker 1: of store in Iowa called hi V and you can
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  Speaker 1: go online, select your groceries and they will deliver it
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  Speaker 1: to your house. You don't even know you need to
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  Speaker 1: go to the grocery store anymore. And they're crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know. There's some other places by us that do
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  Speaker 1: that too. It's changing times, man, new world times. They
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  Speaker 1: are changing. You know what about here? Speaking of changes,
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  Speaker 1: isn't there some news in your personal life? Like we
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  Speaker 1: haven't even talked about this in a while. House? Oh house,
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  Speaker 1: yeah fell through? It did. Oh no, see, we really
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked about this because I don't know that. So,
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  Speaker 1: so what happened was, you know, this acreage came up
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  Speaker 1: for sale, and uh, it wasn't a very big acreage,
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  Speaker 1: but it was out in the country. It was an
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  Speaker 1: old barn that was converted into a house. Just like
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  Speaker 1: kind of a perfect country setting, you know, you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see it from the road, nice trees, just kind of
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  Speaker 1: an awesome place. I just imagined me raising my kids there.
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  Speaker 1: And we put an offer in on it. They were uh,
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  Speaker 1: they accepted it, and uh, we were putting our house
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  Speaker 1: on the market. And the day that we were bait,
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  Speaker 1: I had a feeling we were going to get an
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  Speaker 1: accepted offer on our house. They said that they accepted
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  Speaker 1: another offer because the sale of our that sale was
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  Speaker 1: contingent on the sale of our house. So because of that,
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  Speaker 1: then they were still able to accept other offers, and
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  Speaker 1: they accepted another offer. And uh, yeah, it wasn't I
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  Speaker 1: didn't go through at all. That's all right, that's all right.
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  Speaker 1: Now I can look at this a couple of different ways.
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  Speaker 1: I can say I didn't get that the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the acreage that I wanted, But now I might be
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  Speaker 1: able to weasele in, uh you know, maybe a western hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So this this this money saving, right, it's all about
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's all about that zero you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like if you're if you're above the zero, you can
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  Speaker 1: do good things, you know, extra things. If you're below
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  Speaker 1: the zero, you can't do you know, you can't do
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  Speaker 1: so many fun things because that that house would have
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  Speaker 1: been you know, a higher monthly mortgage and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the boring talk and you can't spend as much
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  Speaker 1: money on you know, the fun stuff. Yeah, there is
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  Speaker 1: something to be said about avoiding being like house poor.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we put a bunch of money in the
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  Speaker 1: house and you have less disposed, disposable you know, income
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  Speaker 1: to to play with. It's kind of nice to you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: it may not be the responsible thing, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: nice to have money to do fun things with, right
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  Speaker 1: I think. But I think those people who are living
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  Speaker 1: in the tiny houses they really know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: I want I want to live in a tiny house. Mark, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. There is a tiny house on
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  Speaker 1: a trailer sitting on a National Forest road that's been
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  Speaker 1: there since last summer. We were back there were drove
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  Speaker 1: past us saw this really cool little tiny house sitting
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  Speaker 1: on trailer. Like not being it's not like on a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally just kind of like someone pulled off the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road because they got a flat tire.
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  Speaker 1: They took the trailer off and they kept driving. And
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  Speaker 1: it was there last year, and we came back this summer,
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  Speaker 1: drove past it again. It's there. We stopped. We looked
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  Speaker 1: at it and looked in the place. It's super cool.
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  Speaker 1: Really think it's brand new, like it's not completely finished,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: but it's like finished, I say, And it's just sitting
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  Speaker 1: there like anyone could just pull up to it, pop
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  Speaker 1: it on their trailer, and obviously that's probably not the
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  Speaker 1: right thing to do, but it's been there for a
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  Speaker 1: year and a half. Maybe their squatters rights or something,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to know, I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: what the rule would because it's technically not a house.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to be erg This is
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  Speaker 1: not not a podcast about you know, tiny houses, but
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  Speaker 1: I want to know a whole bunch more things about him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we should think about getting expanding and start talking
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  Speaker 1: about you know, uh, you know, squatter's rights and tiny
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  Speaker 1: houses and where we can put them. Can we put
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  Speaker 1: them on a National forest road? Can you know? It's funny,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that because I was actually going
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  Speaker 1: to announce this next week, but I'll share today the
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Tiny House podcast will be coming to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is the pivot. The big move in
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  Speaker 1: my business career is going to be focusing on tiny homes.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, but any more trail camera news for you
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  Speaker 1: to have you gotten any good bucks on camera yet?
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  Speaker 1: Any knew dear that you've identified? Well, I think we
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  Speaker 1: talked about the one I called dork, the buck I
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  Speaker 1: called dork. We talked about him. Uh, And since then,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that I there's one trail camera, it's
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  Speaker 1: close to home, I'm able to check it on a
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  Speaker 1: regular basis. Us. Uh, that buck is you know the
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  Speaker 1: buck where I missed the booner. And then I had
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  Speaker 1: another big mature buck that was um that I've seen
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  Speaker 1: from the stand. Uh. It must not be a property
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  Speaker 1: what that holds their summer pattern because only does on
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  Speaker 1: this one trail camera that I've been checking. And other
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  Speaker 1: than that, I haven't had an opportunity to check any
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  Speaker 1: more trail cameras, which is kind of a good and
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing, you know. Yeah, And it is nice
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  Speaker 1: to have an excuse for not overly pressuring your trailcare locations,
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  Speaker 1: because if it's right close to your home, it's very
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  Speaker 1: tempting to go do it all the time, right, That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one silver line of me being like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand miles away from my trail cameras is that I
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  Speaker 1: definitely know I'm not checking them too much, which which sucks, man,
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  Speaker 1: because I always want to do I always want to
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  Speaker 1: do a one week after I set them up initially
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  Speaker 1: to make sure they're working properly, and then come back
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  Speaker 1: because and then you know, so then I know they're working,
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  Speaker 1: and then I can have a little bit more confidence.
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  Speaker 1: But if I come back and I have some kind
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  Speaker 1: of user air on some of my trail cameras or
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  Speaker 1: some of my older trail cameras that I have, uh
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're getting older, they're you know, five six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years old, um, that they don't work as well
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  Speaker 1: as my new ones do. So if I come back
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  Speaker 1: and there's zero pictures after two or after a month
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  Speaker 1: and a half, that's when I like look like a
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  Speaker 1: crazy person in the woods, like punching air and kicking
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  Speaker 1: trees and ship like that, because I get so piste off.
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  Speaker 1: That's like my number one thing about deer hunting. That
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  Speaker 1: gets me piste, oh man. I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to see a grown man cry right there, that'll just
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  Speaker 1: about do it. I mean I've had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times were like either you know, sometimes malfunction or once
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  Speaker 1: my buddy forgot to turn the camera on and then
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  Speaker 1: we left for a month. I mean, stuff like that
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  Speaker 1: will just break your heart because you look forward to
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  Speaker 1: those pictures so much. Like right now, I know, I've
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  Speaker 1: got two or three cameras soaking in Ohio that have
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  Speaker 1: been there since May, and when I go check them
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  Speaker 1: in August, you know, I'm gonna be sitting there hoping
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  Speaker 1: for four months of pictures, and if something happened, I
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  Speaker 1: will just blow a gasket. I mean that's so so depressing.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the one nice thing about the cellular cameras,
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  Speaker 1: the ones that can send you pictures as you go,
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  Speaker 1: because you can, you know, keep tabs on and know
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it's working, which is I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta buy one of those just to try it out,
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  Speaker 1: because for this long distance stuff, that would just help
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  Speaker 1: so much, right and I have one of those, uh
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately the farms that I want to have it on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you think about it. You want a
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  Speaker 1: trail camera that has that capability to be further away,
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  Speaker 1: so you can't so you don't have to go and
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  Speaker 1: check it. Now, the crappy thing about it is that
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  Speaker 1: farm doesn't have good wireless connection, So now all it
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  Speaker 1: is is just another regular trail camera. Right yeah. It
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  Speaker 1: defeats the whole purpose of the extra couple hundred bucks
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  Speaker 1: you spent on the camera. Right yeah. You know, these
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  Speaker 1: these wireless trail cameras, they kind of pose a conundrum.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about your thoughts on the stand um,
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  Speaker 1: because we did this, We did a survey with the
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  Speaker 1: National Deer Lines about it, and there are some potential
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  Speaker 1: moral or ethical I guess ethical questions about using those.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think about a situation where someone
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  Speaker 1: has one of these wireless cellular trail camera set up
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  Speaker 1: and they see a picture pop up on their phone
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  Speaker 1: of a big buck that just passed their tree stand
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  Speaker 1: and they happened to live by their property or something
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  Speaker 1: like that, and they know that deer literally just passed
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  Speaker 1: passed by their stand, and so they grab their bow
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  Speaker 1: and run back to the tree stand because they know
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  Speaker 1: that deer was there. Do you have any concerns about
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  Speaker 1: that type of use of technology. So the only issue
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  Speaker 1: with it is the time, right, because if you're you
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  Speaker 1: have another trail camera that you check let's say once
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  Speaker 1: a day or once a week or once a month,
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  Speaker 1: and it shows it's giving you, it's giving you the
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  Speaker 1: same information, it's just that it's cutting down on the
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  Speaker 1: time frame from one day or two days to instantly, right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's a matter of time. Now you're able
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  Speaker 1: to make decisions based off that time frame on whether
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  Speaker 1: or not that dear is will be in the area.
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  Speaker 1: On Let's say, for me, if if I if I
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  Speaker 1: get a if I get a picture two or three
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  Speaker 1: days out and there's a buck on it, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to look back and do all these things where Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the wind is out of here, I need to access
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  Speaker 1: the stand from here, you know, do all those things.
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  Speaker 1: So the next time that that scenario lines up, I
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  Speaker 1: know I need to be in that tree stand. Now
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  Speaker 1: with with with instantly, not only are you able to
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  Speaker 1: potentially go to that tree stand, but you're also able
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  Speaker 1: to uh go to a different tree stand, maybe further
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  Speaker 1: down the trail or in a you know, a direction
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  Speaker 1: where you may have got another trail camera that gets him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at a food source, so you know he's
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  Speaker 1: going in a certain direction. The bad part about it
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  Speaker 1: is too you could it could it could ruin your
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  Speaker 1: hunt too because you see him in the area. Oh God,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I gotta get in there, and then you you push
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: him out, you bump him right. Yeah, I mean there's
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: definitely it's not a sure thing, that's for sure. I mean,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: but do you think that's is that? Is that too far?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do that? Would you would
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you be okay in that situation? Would you feel okay
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: about you know, the ethics of that type of hunting
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: if you got a picture and went right there ten
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: minutes later because you knew that deer was in there?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Is that within what you feel is acceptable use of
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: technology as a deer hunt man? That's tough because there's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: guys out there and I can't help but agree with
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: them in a way. Whatever happened to woodsmanship? You know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: guys were killing big bucks way before all this technology
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and all this, And we all know that technology makes
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: hunting easier. So it's like, what are we do we
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: really need it? Do we want it? I mean, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: think it's it's cool technology. The thing about it is
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I would have it on a property where I I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't instantly access that property anyway. I would have to
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: wait a day or two or wait till my vacation,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: or you know, there would be very limited times where
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I could use it like use it like that. But
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it does like the whole thing with drones and is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: drones an acceptable form using drones to find game? Is
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that acceptable or is that ethical? It's it's tough man,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: because everybody has their different opinions. Yeah, that that's the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: thing is I feel like with all these different forms
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of technology, you have different Everyone draws their line the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sand somewhere different. And the tricky thing is what's the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: difference between an ethical question where we each draw our
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: own line versus when the government or the Game and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Fish agency has to draw that line, you know, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: who's right and who's wrong? Or is this just a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: different opinion or is it more of just a style
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of hunting or you know what I mean? These gets
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: really tricky and you get people that you really really
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: fired up about it, whether it be wireless trail cameras
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: or drones, or crossbows versus longbows versus compoumbos or you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: using scent controls such and such, or ozonics or using
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, there's all sorts of different types of technology
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: out there, and there's all sorts of different opinions on
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: what's right and what's not. And it's a tricky one.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really hard to say. You can't say
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: who's right or a on a lot of these things,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I think, because it it just does come down to,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you know, how you use it, what you're trying to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: get out of the you know, circumstances. Uh, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: if it is legal, of course, if it follows the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: basic guidelines of of legal taking of game. But man,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like this wireless troud camera one is one
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that you know, because trial cameras are so entrenched in
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like the hunting culture now over the past fifteen years,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: there's you know, it's just not too many questions about it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And I would love to use a wireless troal camera
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and try it out. I think it's it's a great tool,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: especially like in the cases that we were talking about
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: where you're far away from your property and you can't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: check those often, but that specific situation, you know, using
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: real time surveillance that raises some questions a little bit
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: from me, just for me personally, nothing against anyone else
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: who wants to do it again. I think this is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: one of those personal lines in the sand. But I mean,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: how far until well already? I mean, there are real
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: time cameras out there, you know, like Lee and Tiffany
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: have got a real time camera on one of their
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: feeders out on some property. You can just sit online
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and watch it here on there all day. What's keeping
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: them or anyone from keeping a live streaming camera from
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: behind their house and whenever the big buck is out there,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they walk out behind the house of their gun and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: shoot him. Is that hunting? That's and that's the question.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That's the question that I've asked myself on because I've
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: heard rumblings with um at a A T A show.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You know, you're at the bars and and everybody's chit
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: chatting and you know, gossiping and all all this crap
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that goes on. You hear about a guy who has uh,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: basically security cameras in his timber and on his food
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: plots that relay back to a central hub that he
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is able to And now it's not technically it's not
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a high offenced area, but it shows, uh, the real
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: time images of the of their food plots, and they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: know that when a buck decides to come out, they
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: have to go they they can go out there and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: potentially harvest this animal. And granted you still got to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: shoot it. But at what point is that different than
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: high fence hunting? You know what I mean? You're still
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a dear is there it? I don't know
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it just there are things out there that just like
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans Chevy verse four, there's there's so many
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: different things and you gotta gotta watch where you step
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: because as hunters were supposed, you know, we have to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: unite as opposed to being I don't know, you know
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I do know what you mean, um,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And I want to add to that, but I want
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to take a quick step back and make sure that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I wasn't saying that I think Lee and Tiffany are
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: using their live streaming cameras to hunt. Just to clarify
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: anyone who thought I was like accusing that, I'm not
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: accusing them of that at all. Um. That said, to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: your point about all this stuff, UM, like you said,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it's it can be tricky, and there is no right
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: or wrong answer in a lot of these cases. But
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I think that it's important for us to be thinking
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: about these things and to talk about these things. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: here I can't remember if we've talked about this on
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: this show or not. Um, we probably have, But I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: think to your point, right, there's this belief that we
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: need to unite its hunters, which I agree. There's a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: lot of outside factors and people and groups that want
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to tear hunters apart and tear away our rights and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I really think that we shouldn't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: be bickering over petty things, and we shouldn't be attacking
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: each other about different things, etcetera, etcetera. At the same time, though,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and you tell me if you disagree with us, Dan,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, I think it is also
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: important for us to still have internal dialogue within our
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: hunting community about where do we draw these lines about
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: what is acceptable, and to some degree, um, in a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: positive manner, police our own selves, because if the hunting
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: community starts just being okay with unethical behavior that from
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the outside is very obviously unethical, we're gonna start getting
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: our rights taken away. Or whether we want them or not,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: because as soon as we start doing some bad ship,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: we're gonna start losing the privilege as hunting. So I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: think it's better for us to internally police ourselves and say, hey,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know what, maybe we really should be careful about
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: not doing X, or being careful not to portray ourselves
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: as you know, whatever this thing is, because that, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is going to hurt the larger thing we're doing here.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You know, if you've got someone who's poking holes in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the boat, are you gonna say, well, no, you're on
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the boat with me, so we're just gonna let you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: float along until we all sink. Or are you going
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to tell the person poking holes to stop doing that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: dumb stuff so we'll keep on floating. I think there's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: there's a happy medium between the two where we stay
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: together as as a core group of hunters, but we
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: also are okay with the fact that, yeah, we need
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to police ourselves. We need to talk about some of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: these things, and we need to figure out what is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the right direction moving forward collectively so that we can
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: all still continue to do this and you know, enjoy
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this hunting heritage that we have. Um, does that make sense.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It make it definitely makes sense. And we you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: when when we have that conversation too, Uh, when that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: conversation happens, we have to know that people don't agree
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: with us. So a lot of times what happens is
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: people instantly go into a defense mode and then they
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. All they want to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: do is start blaming and blaming other groups and defending
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: themselves instead of realizing that, hey, a conversation, some kind
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: of conversation has to be had. We have to have
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: open minds and we have to you know, in regards
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'll just say that, you know, the high fence hunting,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you know, with the potential for disease outbreak or the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you know, is high fence hunting you know, considered ethical
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And you know, Hi, I know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I know guys who are high fence hunter outfitters. They're
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they're genuinely good people who you know, raise their families
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: just like we raise our families, you know, So not
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: necessarily here to defend that, but they have a right
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to do that because it's legal, you know what I mean.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And I think to that point or any point, I think, um,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it's like how you approach a situation like that. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: let's say in the case of high fence hunting, like
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, I personally have some very
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: serious concerns about a the disease issues that a lot
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of you know, there's a lot of evidence pointing to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the fact that some of these facilities are facilitating the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: transfer of diseases like c w D at a greater
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: rate than would be happening otherwise. So that's a big concern.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And then be the ethics, the ethical standpoint or questions
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: about how some of these places are operated in what
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they're considering hunting, and then the impact that has on
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the outside community, the non hunting public who sees that,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: sees people calling that hunting, and then attributes that behavior
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to all of us, which then could potentially hurt the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: future of all hunters, whether it be high fence, no fence,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: public land, private land, etcetera. So so those are my
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: concerns about it. And so because I have concerns and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I have an opinion, right, I'm going to engage in
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: discussions with people and you know, maybe lobby for certain
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: types of things to address those concerns. But to your point, right,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to demonize the actual person, right. I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: they have a right to do something. They have a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: right to, you know, participate in something differently than the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: way I want to do it. And that's okay. You know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we're all entitled to our own way of enjoying nature
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: or our own means of making a living, whatever it
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: might be. I might not necessarily care for. But that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that, you know, we have to call him
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a son of a bitch, and you know whatever, be
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: nasty about it. So I think there's with all these things,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: whether it be politics, which is very you know, timely
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the these days, with the stuff going on, or technology
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and hunting or different modes of hunting or different ways
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of going about it, we're gonna have our differences. We
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: can share our opinions on those differences, we can disagree,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we can suggest different things, but let's not attack each other,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you know, right right. I had I had a conversation
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: with a guy a while back about bear hunting and baiting,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and I was under, you know, unless you're actually doing it,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you don't know. I've never I've never bear hunted. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy who lives up
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: in Canada, and he was talking about um baiting bear
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and I just when I I wanted to get him
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on my podcast because I wanted to know what it
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was like without having to do it. So what better
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: way to talk, you know, find out than actually having
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: someone that's actually does it. So anyway, he's he's telling
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: me that the baiting process isn't just going out the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: couple of days before the hunt and throwing out a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of you know, fish or or um beaver
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: carcasses or bread or gravy or whatever. It takes hundreds
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of pounds of food every week for several weeks to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: establish a site that the bears are going to come
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to too. So it actually takes a lot of time, energy, money,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: effort to to do that, to get to the point
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: where these bears are coming to that. And it kind
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of opened my eyes a little bit that hey, this
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: is in a way, it's kind of hard work, right right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I mean there's so many examples of that too, right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like people talking about baiting versus food, plotting versus you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: not using anyone or the above. And you know, we
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: each have our own opinions on that kind of stuff,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: And I guess there's a lot of instances where it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like you can't judge until you've done it. And also,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we have different goals in what we're trying
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to do in different parts of the experience that we
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: value you. Um, so yeah, I mean kind of, you know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I I never have been too intrigued with the idea
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of bow hunting or hunting bears over bait, because that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just didn't seem like the experience I would want on
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a bear hunt. But at the same time, who am
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I to judge someone else or doing that nothing all
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that you know? And um, I think you make a
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: great point. Until you actually learn more about it or
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: do it, you probably shouldn't pass too much judgment. Um.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: There's a story that Steve Ronnell always talks. He's mentioned
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a number of different times. I don't know if we've
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: ever heard him share the story, but he talks some
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal this story right now. He talks about
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: this conversation he had with a friend. I guess he
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was he was deer hunting down in some southeastern state,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Georgia or something, and he was telling his buddy while
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they're sitting in this big, like elevated box blind. It
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was like a condo blind with recliners and windows and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: all sorts of fancy stuff. And then they're sitting in
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: this big thing looking down like big spoked lines of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: food plot coming out from the blind they're sitting, they're
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: sitting up in you know, they've got heater and they're off.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And while they're sitting in there, Steve is telling his
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: friend about how he's going on a mountain lion hunt
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: with dogs and all the intricacy and the work that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: goes into training dogs to track you know, dry land
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: mountain lions and all this stuff. And his friend is like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but that doesn't really sound
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: like hunting to me. Like he's like, I just as
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it sounds very like you're really hunting, just just running dogs,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And um. You know, that's the irony of situations like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: that is he can be sitting in a condo looking
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: over you know, this perfectly manicured deer killing machine little plot,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and then he's criticizing someone else for not really being
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a hunter. And I think that that's that's a good
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: example of something that probably happens a lot every day.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We all kind of get into our own little world
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and and it's easy right to to judge the way
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: someone else does something. And I'm definitely guilty of it
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: as as much as anyone probably, So it's a good
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: little reminder to to kind of try to look at
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: these types of things throughout, you know, with other perspectives,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and be open to other perspectives. Nothing against
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with having that debate and conversation,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: but to also be open to other DEAs. Yeah, what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: other technology issues? And now we're on this topic of technology,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what about with drones? You brought that up. Do you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: think there's any way that drones should be allowed within
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the hunting world? My personal opinion is no. I mean,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you open the door to some of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: this stuff, it's just a Pandora's box of what could
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: happen next? Like what's stopping somebody from mounting a gun
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: on a drone and shooting a deer from their laptop
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: or from their basement, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I know exactly. I thought about that too. Or what
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: about you know, um, a slightly more sporting version, what
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: if they shot a little dart with a GPS transponder
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: onto the deer and then you could just track it
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on your phone and then shoot him the next day
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: when it's convenient for you. I mean, there's a lot
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of scary hypotheticals out there, and already I don't know
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: if I'm pretty sure this is a real thing. I'm
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sure I read this some number of years ago. There
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: was like a high fence operation where you could buy
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a hunt, a virtual hunt where there was a firearm
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: attached to a computer and a webcam and wherever you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: were at let's say you lived in Michigan, you could
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: go online. You bought your hunt. You go online, look
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: at the deer that's in this cage or whatever on
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: video camera, and use your cursor to aim the gun
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and shoot it from your computer. So then d is
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the meat shipped to you or do you get the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: rack sent to you afterwards? Or I mean there's no
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: difference between that in a video game. Then well that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: exactly what it was basically. I mean, I don't remember
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: all the details. I'm like, yeah, again, I'm sure I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: remember seeing this handful of years ago. I'm pretty sure
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it was made illegal right after that. Um, like they're
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: trying to do that or they did do that, um,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad it was outlawed um. But yeah, I mean,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: how how is that hunting? How is that? I mean
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that very clearly isn't as far as I'm concerned, But
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it raises that question. You know, we could keep going
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: back to us where's the line in the sands? So
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: if you pull the trigger from behind a camera, that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: worse than if you pull the trigger, you know, in person.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Or was it because of the distance or is it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't a high fence? Or what makes it unethical?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What makes it ethical? What? You know? There's just so
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: many questions like that. In this case, I think it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: very clearly something that's not okay. But you could see
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: how other issues you could start figuring, you know, like
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: with drones, what about could you use a drone the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: day before? Or what if I was using a drone
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: just to film me walk to my tree stand but
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: not actually for deer? Uh, not actually looking for deer.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're they're all these different things.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to use it, I don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: see an issue with drones if you're going to use
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it for some kind of filming as far as you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: b roll type of stuff. But if if you're using
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a drone to push dear your direction, I don't know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that. Yeah, I I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: personally do not. And most in many states now are
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: outlawing are outlawing drones um at least the use of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: them in relation to hunting um, which which personally I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: think is a good thing. But uh, you know, I'll
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: tell you what I what I will do is if
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I am hunting and all of a sudden, like sending
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in my tree stand or whatnot, and all of a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: sudden I see a drone creeping through the woods or
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd probably shoot an arrow at it. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: think that has happened with a gun, and that guy
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: got in big trouble. Now. I think what happened was
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: there was a guy with a drone. I don't know
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: if this is hunting related, but this drone drone operator
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was going over their fence and taking pictures of this
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: dude's daughter son bathing. And then the guy got out
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and he shot the the drone over because the drone
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't technically on the other guy's property taking pictures of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: his daughter, but uh, it was up above the neighbor's property.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So the guy got a shotgun and blew it away,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and then the guy called the cops on him. So
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's been a number of circumstances like that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I think some anti hunters were trying to harass hunters
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: with drones too. I think duck hunters, and I think
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of someone shot the drone out of the year too. Ever,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you know who. I don't know why I brought this up,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: but do you ever hear of a guy named Dan Blazzarian? Yes?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I think that is that his name. I follow him
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Yeah, I mean any man probably should. He's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a wild man. He is an absolute wild man. So
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm watching a YouTube video of about you know, twenty
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: drones in the air and he whips out like this
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: giant machine gun and just blasts him all all out
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of him about twenty obviously models blast him all out
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of the air. It's it's pretty cool to watch likes
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: just going up exactly smoke gone. Yeah, he does some
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff, that's for sure. Uh. I don't know how
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the guy made all his money, but he's got a
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: lot of money to spend. That's for sure, it's right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So drones, we agree, there's some issues with drones. There's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: some questions about how we're using wireless trail cameras. Uh,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: what's some other controversial stuff we can talk about, Danus,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's not you know, there's not
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: too much stuff that's controversial that you know. Obviously we've
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: covered high fence, We've covered you know, we talked about
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: baiting drones. Um. You know, the whole issue with dogs,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge traditional thing down in the South.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Um party hunting. That's the thing here in Iowa where
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you can drive dear into you know, pinch points and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: blast them and that well that well, well, crimin if
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But so you're talking about just like a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: deer drive. But isn't there also a thing in Iowa
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that is called party hunting where someone can shoot a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: deer and use somebody else's license for it. Well basically
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: what it is, you know, and I'm not a accurate
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: on this, but as long as there are certain number
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of as long as there is a tag for every
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: deer that gets shot, it doesn't matter if it's your
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: tag or the other guy's tag. That's an interesting one, Yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: because I I know I've read some things about like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: what about with like a nonresident? What if there's a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: non I wonder if that applies to non residence. So
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: can I go out on a deer drive with you
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of other gun hunters and I shoot
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a big buck even though I didn't draw a nonresident
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: tag and you can put yours on it. Well, you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: would still have to have you would still have to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: have a hunting license. And I'm not a hundred percent
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: sure as far as shotgun hunting is concerned, there are
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It's very It's easier to put it this way. It's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: easier to get a shotgun tag in Iowa obviously than
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: it is an archery tag. Yeah, that is true. I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: think you can get it almost every other every year
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: or other every other year in a lot of places, right,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: because I've I've looked into that a bit. Speaking of
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: next year, I'm coming back to Iowa al right, So
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: are you going back to that same area? I think so.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I like the area. It's got a lot of good deer,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and I can get a tag there more often. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: just have a hard time waiting four years to go once,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and you won't let me hunt any of your spots.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: So where am I gonna go? Dan? That's right, that's right,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: not a damn chance. I already share it with too
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: many people. I know you do if I had, if
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I had a private, you know, private farm, you'd be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: more than welcome to shoot dose. But I would I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. Oh man, Well, you know what, I want
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to talk about, something totally different than what we've talked about,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: because I want to share some exciting updates for me.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I finally, I have some white Tail updates because I'm
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: out here in Montana finally, and I'm going on in
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Montana white Tail. And so I started scouting, which has
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: been fun. So I've done well two types of scouting
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: stuff far. First, I've done a lot of map scouting,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: so doing a bunch of work online trying to find
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: spots that I can hunt. And then secondly, I've now
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: done two velvet drives essentially at night or in the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: evening hours to go scout fields. So I thought i'd
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: kind of walked through what I've done so far to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: start this process, and I think it's gonna be kind
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of an interesting story here as I I've never hunted
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: out west before. I've never hunted an area like this.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It's totally different, is you know, as you know might
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: imagine from where I've hunted in the past, So this
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: is all new. Um. So, you know, like we've talked about,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I kind of decided I wanted to hunt Montana on
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a whim because A I knew I was potentially going
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to be spending some time out here in the summer.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: B you know, I've heard a lot of good things
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: about Montana in general for their white tail population. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: then see, it's just like beautiful countries, so seem like
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it would be a very different, cool place to hunt. Um.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: So you know, this whole process started by first, excuse me, Um, First,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I want to try to figure out, you know, some
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: different you know, where white tails might be in this
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: kind of country. You know, there's lots of mountains around
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: me and stuff. But what I found from talking to people,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, just from what I've heard in the past,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is that these white tails congregate down in like the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: river bottoms, so they're not necessarily up in the mountains.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You know, where a lot of people think of when
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you're hunting in Montana or something, but they're down low
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: in the valleys wherever big rivers come through, there's lots
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of trees and cover versus all the grasses and sagebrush
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff that's everything everywhere else. So I first started
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: like trying to locate on maps, Okay, where are the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: different big river valleys that run through this general region
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be in. And then I started looking
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: at those maps and finding, Okay, here's these corridors of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of river bottom and cover and trees and stuff. Now
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: where are the where's the public land nearby? Because I'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try to hunt public land. I'm not
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: sure if I'm gonna be able to do it because
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'm also wanting to try to find some older bucks. Um,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to find public lands where I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: can kill a nice buck out here. So I started looking.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Montana's got a lot of nice resources online that outline
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like where all the different public lands are, whether it
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: be like state forest or National forest or uh private
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: properties opened up to hunting through their block management program.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So pull up maps that showed all that stuff, compared
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it to the aerial maps you know online, and I
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: found a couple of different spots that are open to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the public that are in this river bottom ground that
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: looked pretty good. So last night and then like four
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: or five minutes ago, I went into a drive by
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: along this river in this area, and UM, I can
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: report that I've had moderately good news. UM seen a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: lot of deer, tons of white tails, like lots. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: feel good about that. Saw a lot of white tails.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I just haven't seen a ton of like good bucks.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple that I think would be could
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: be shooters, but not a ton. Not so much. I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: definitely this is the spot. Um, So I don't know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm feeling okay about it. I've seen a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lot of DearS. That's a good thing. I the two
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: properties that are open to the public, and they're big sections. Um,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of deer on them, so that's
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a good thing. I just you know, I don't I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: haven't seen anything that makes me oncent confidence that that's
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the spot I'm gonna be able to kill, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: a three year old or four year old. So kind
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of where I'm going to go from here now is
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna take a couple of nights and do
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: some more drive bys to that area just to try
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to get a better idea, you know, kind of right now,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I just want to figure out are there some three
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: or four year old bucks possibly in that area? If so,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: then I'm willing to commit probably and start scouting individual
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: properties to try to learn. But I want to make
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: sure that there's at least some deer in that general
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: quality level before I invest a whole bunch of time there.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm at now. UM, I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: gonna do some more drives, hopefully see some good bucks.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I said, I saw one really pretty nice one last night,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: but I did see in addition to that, I saw
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of elk, I saw pronghorn, I saw mule there,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and I saw two moose. So oh it's fun driving nice.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: So my question to you, as as far as white
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: tails are concerned, what happens if you don't find that? Um,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you've already made the commitment to going out there to hunt.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: What if you don't find that? UM? I guess magical too.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You know three year old four year old that you're
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: looking for. Are you still going to go in with?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: You know the most mature possible. Are you gonna shoot
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: from the hip? Are you going to be running trail
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: cameras at all? So trail cameras are speaking of technology issues.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Trail cameras are not legal during the season in Montana,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: um at all, and I I'm not sure. I think
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: that they're legal in the off season, but I'm not
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: a hundred percent sure. So I brought a camera out
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just in case. But I have not gone to check
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the regulations to double check whether or not I can
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: put it out or not. So if I get to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the point that I, UM pick a spot, I think
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: there are some decent bucks, and when I double checked
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the regulations, if it is legal during the off season,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I was going to put one out just to try
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to see what's in the area. Still. Um, But you
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: know my game plans two things. Number One, throughout the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: next you know, three weeks that I'm out here, I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: gonna keep scoping out this area trying to find like
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a decent number of mature bucks to make me feel
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: good about hunting there. But if I don't find that,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks, I'm probably gonna go
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: check out some different valleys, some different areas around here
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and scope those out and see if there's another section
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that maybe just has a better quality of deer, better
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: age structure. Um. But let's hypothetically say, maybe I see
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: a couple of nice bucks over in this one spot
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I've been scouting. So I decided, Okay, I'm gonna hunt
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: there and I come back in September. Um, I am
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: probably going to go into this with relatively low expectations
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: but still seting with standards. So my goal is going
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to be a three year old. Um. And can you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: hear that train? By the way, I can hear that train.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I'm recording. I can't remember if we talk about this
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in this episode of last but I'm recording in Sick
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of Gears basement right now, so you know it's a
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: little different audio quality down here. But UM, I'm gonna
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: try to shoot for a three year old. So I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: don't need like a giant deer. I just want like
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a representative of the area that's a decent nice buck.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So I mean, if there's like a hundred ten or
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: hundred fifteen inches that looks like it's probably a three
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: year old that comes by my stand I'm going to
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: shoot it because I think this is a pretty tough situation,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you know, completely d I y public Land never hunted
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: this area. Um, if I could get a buck like that,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I would be tickled. So um. You know, on the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: other hand, if I get out here, or if I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: start scouting the summer and I just find like a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: bunch of big old deer and I'm out here when
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I start hunting and I'm seeing a lot of like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: nice bucks, I'm not going to be afraid to you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to be patient too. Um. I've got I think seven days,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to you know, judge it based on
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: what we see. So you know, if I'm seeing a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: lot of nice deer and a small, three old comes
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: by on day one, then I probably would pass on
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it and wait because you know why, and the hunt
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: too early. So we're to kind of play by air,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be you know, it's gonna be very different.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. Um. You know, I sure hope
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I can fill a tag and close the deal. But
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be too surprised if I don't either,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: because it's it's definitely not a gimme. So so you
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: said the numbers were good. I mean, you saw a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: lot of white tails in these in these valleys that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you're driving through. Yeah, I'd say I saw pretty I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: mean it wasn't like it's not like Iowa where you
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: come across the field and you'd see like thirty deer
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in it. I at least I haven't not have not
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: found that yet here. Um. But you know, I would
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: say like consistently every field you pass by or every
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: grassy section, there'd be a handful of white tails there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: There'd be a two doughs there, and then you go
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards up and there's five doughs. And you go,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: you know, another yards and there's another dough and then
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: there's three bucks. And I mean that there's a good
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: number of deer. Um. But you know, I haven't seen
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Um, I don't know if you've ever seen
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: some like the Real Tree Monster Buck TV shows or
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: DVDs where like Bill Jern or someone is hunting and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like the Milk River at some outfitter and there's like
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a hundred deer in the field or something. I've not
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: seen that yet, um, So I don't know if that's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just in a different region. But I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: do know you're not at an outfitter exactly. I'm not
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: an outfitter. This is this is a public land and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: this is not the Milk River area, but I do
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: know that there are One of the other things I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: did is I have been doing some research about these
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: different areas, and I did find some stuff online from
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: people who have killed deer in this general area. There
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: are some outfitters um in the general area that I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: kind of from doing some snooping around, figured out that okay,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: there in this river valley or this bottom this section,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: they're they're probably leasing some ground around here. So I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: was kind of snooping and checking out some of the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: deer that their clients have been killing, and that kind
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of gave me some confidence that this general area does
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: have some quality deer. So um So based on all that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good general general region. UM. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: just need to keep on checking it out. And you know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: one night might be totally different than another. So maybe
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: last night, you know, not all the not as many
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: deer around the fields. I might come back out tomorrow
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and there could be five really nice four year olds,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you know, spread out, so we'll see. I don't know,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: um lots of work to do over the next three weeks,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: so that's for sure. Well, I'll be completely honest with you,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I am extremely jealous. It's not every day you can
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: go on a uh, you know, on a drive and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: see white til mule, deer, elk, antelope, and moose. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: f you, Mark, it was pretty sweet. I I put
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: together a little video from the drive last night that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna post online tomorrow, I think, um, And at
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the end of it, I was talking about the night
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and I was, you know, kind of talking about, oh,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a bummer. I didn't see as many
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: good box as I was thinking. But then as I
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was right as I was saying that, I'm like, you're
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: an idiot, dude. Listen, Like literally just saw two different moves.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: You saw all these other animals. Is like the sun
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: setting over the mountains. It was just like stupid, gorgeous,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I can't complain one bit. So even if
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I don't kill anything, even if I don't see one
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: shooter buck on this trip, like, it's just gonna be
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: awesome to be out enjoying that country and experiencing something new.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: So I cannot complain one single bit. About that, right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a little different on this,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if if I do or we do decide
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to go to um Nebraska, I'm I'm thinking I'm gonna
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: be okay with shooting even a dough on one of
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the last days. I don't know if I'm gonna because
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I had opportunities last time to take not only a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: mule deer dough, but a white tail dough as well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and I just, I don't know, I feel like I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: want to take away something from I've never shot a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: mule dey before, So what's wrong with shooting a mule
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: deer day? You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with it. I think, especially you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: as a you know, a new hunter to that area,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: having that first experience with a mule deer or the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: first time experience with an antelope or something like that,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: that's super reasonable. And I kind of feel the same
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: way I've I've thought at times, you know, on my
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: elk hunts, I just want to shoot a cow just
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: so I can bring home some elk meat and to
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: have experienced killing an elk and packing an elk out
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm right
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: there with you. Heck, even now on future elk counts,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I might shoot a cow even though I
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: have shot a bull. You know, you don't get that
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: many opportunities to do that kind of thing. And you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that whole experience of getting one of those animals, bringing home,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: eating that different type of meat, different animal, you know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: it kind of adds new life to that experience and memory.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You know, every I don't know about you, but like
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: every time I eat a meal of a deer I killed.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: While I'm eating it, I'm thinking back and looking back
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: at that hunt and that experience and stuff. So it's
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: pretty cool to be able to bring that back from
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a hunt like a Nebraska or something that and have
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: that kind of physical attachment back to that set of experiences,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: right right, So you're you're saying you'd wait till the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: last day though, or one of the last couple of days,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: one of the last It just depends a four day hunt,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, I don't see, we don't get an up.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: It just depends on what I'm seeing too. You know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: if we got something uh that we've seen, Okay, there's
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: a buck that I would shoot and it would be
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: just about any buck, um I would shoot. I would uh,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we would have it located at least then
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that might be different. But you know, similar to our
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: l count that we went on last year, we didn't
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: see a lot. So there, you know that when that opportunity,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that kind of an opportunity, when that the closest elk
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that we had at the time was that spike, I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: would have shot it in the heartbeat. Yeah, And I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't blame you one bit. Would you shoot a young
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: buck in Nebraska? Like if there's like a little six
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: pointer or something, some little year and a half old
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you've never shot a meal there before. Would you shoot
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a young buck in that situation? I probably would, to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: be honest with you, I mean, I got the good
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: thing about hunting is and I'm starting to learn this
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: uh kind of you know, especially when you're taking Western trips,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: You've got to start somewhere, and I don't have a
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: starting point yet for Western trips. So why not start
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: with a dough or a young buck, and then the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: next year you go out there, you aim for something
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: a little older or another dough, you know, because there
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: is really there's no problem with taking a dough out
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: of the herd. If you know, it's not all about antlers.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So if you're you know, you want to go out
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: there and you want to try to shoot a buck
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: and then for some reason that buck doesn't show up
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: last couple of days, if something standing on broadside within
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: your shooting range, it's almost like I would feel guilty
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: for not for for spending that money on nothing, although
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: there is an experience that goes along with that. I so,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like our like our cunt. Again, we spent
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of time in the tent, but it was
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: an experience that I will never forget. There's there's some
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: great stories that we still have from that trip. Was funny.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I was in you know, I was in Jackson Hole
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this past month, and there was a number of different
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: times where I was like, Kylie, me and Dan came
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: here after a tent collapsed, or Kylie, you should have
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: been there for this thing that went happen. We spent
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: an hour and a half in a laundry matt drying
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: out clothes that were that were wet. Yep, I pointed it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: We drove by that, we stopped at that grocery store
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: six on a tent. That's what I was gonna bring
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: up next. We went to that store and I was like, oh,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: this is where Dan got swindled into buying a super
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: expensive tent. Oh man, Yes, there's definitely something to be
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: said for hunt, even if you don't bring anything home. Right. Ah, well,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: my friend, we are. We're kind of time constrained this
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: week because of my recording set up here, so we're
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: gonna have a shorter episode. But um, it's kind of funny.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: We kind of ended up on a topic that I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: actually was considering having us talk about the whole episode today,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: but maybe we can try to do another one. It
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: was this whole this idea of like our evolution as
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: a hunter, you know, how like we all have to
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: start somewhere and then you slowly progress. At least I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: think that that is something that I think that's a
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: good way for hunters to go through their hunting progression.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: And I worry that, you know, when we've talked about
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: this number of times before, but you know, with the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: way that things are on the media and stuff, I
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: think a lot of new hunters come into it thinking
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: they have to be shooting a big, old, six year
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: old hundred seven buck or whatever because they see it
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: on TV, and um, I think some people are getting
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: these false expectations. So I thought one of these weeks
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: we could just go through in depth yours and my
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: evolution as a hunter and kind of talk about how
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: we got started and the struggles we had as we
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: slowly took these steps along the way to get to
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the point that we are. Now. That's right. Do you
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: think that's a good one for a future episode? I
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: think that's a great episode. It's something that people struggle
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: with all the time. You know. It's one of those
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to shoot or not to shoot? That is the question. Yeah,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and I want you to I want you to do
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: some more thinking about your own to shoot or not
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to shoot. We talked about like a month ago. People.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I've had some people, you know, commenting on that and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: stuff on that blog post that we did um or
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the Facebook post of that episode. There's a lot of comments.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And I think people are gonna be very interested to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: hear what you what you finally decide for this year,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: what you're going to be targeting an island stuff. So
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear where you're gonna end up with
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. Uh, don't you don't need you don't
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: need to tell us now, but we'll wait for the way,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: We'll wait for the next episode of Why are Hunt?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And heck, I mean, how do you decide what you're
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: gonna do? Or are you still in the process of
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: figuring these things out? It's always it's always thinking. I mean,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you're always thinking about it because you know, obviously right
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: now I'm gonna I'm gonna go check my trail cameras,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm fairly confident that I'm going to have uh,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: you know, three dear at least three dear over on
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: some of my farms over four years old, probably even
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: more in the five six seven year olds that are
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be you know, over one fifty, one sixty, there's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: gonna be one obviously already that's gonna probably be close
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: to one seventy. And I haven't even checked my trail
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: cameras this year, so I'm just going off historic data,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to And then the season
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: gets here, and you always got that in the back
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: of your head. You know, they don't get that big
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: from they don't get that big from shooting, you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: shooting them two or three years earlier, you know what
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I mean. Rue, Well, at the same time, if you
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: pass them every three or four year old, you don't
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: shoot a whole lot. So there's that constant what's the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: right what's the right move? I don't know, there's no
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: there's no clear answer. And then you slam a couple
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of does and that fills the blood lust for a while.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: If you you know, that fills the freezer. You get
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to kill something, and then in a way, that's what
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: hunting is. You kill something and it's it's satisfying. Not
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: only you get to kill some then your you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: your archery is on point. I killed something with a
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: bow and arrow, and uh, you get food out of it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's that's that's it right there
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: phil the freezer get some great meals. It's a it's
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: an interesting experience every time you do it. It's a
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: it's a it's I don't know about you or anyone
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: else out there, but I feel like every time I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: hunt and kill an animal or a deer, it it
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: kind of changes you and something it impacts you. I
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: think every time you do it, it impacts you. And
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I think if it's gone about the right way, so
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: if it's a positive change, and it's a positive difference
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: in growth. But it's one of those things, you know
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: what it's it's a it's quite an experience, and there's
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: every time it happens, there's something new to be learned.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I suppose amen, Amen, We well that we've got to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: wrap this episode up, my friend, So thanks, uh, thanks
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: for chit chatting with you, buddy. Yeah, I can't wait
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to hear more about your scouting adventures in Big Sky
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Country for next week, for until until next week then,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: So with that said, we're going to wrap up this episode,
• 59:15
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