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Soto Sweepstakes · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Tape, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three I Take
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presented by Sea Kick this episode 486.
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I'll be your host Kyle Corwin. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes and Nate. What a part of people 46, man,
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we're getting up there. Yeah, I hesitated there because
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we, I feel like we've been cranking out episodes and I was
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like, did we already do 46? Noticed a little hesitation?
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That's cool though. You know, in the 486 episodes
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we've done, I think I've maybe messed that up once.
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You're an impressive specimen. I know that, I know that.
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Very methodical with my notes and I had, I have a system to
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ensure that that never happens again because that was rough
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when that happened. The one time I'm like, well,
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that's nobody really notices, nobody really cares.
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But that's embarrassing, you know?
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Yeah, it's not a good look. What are we going to do for 500,
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man, 500? We got to go all out.
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We have to, we have, we have to open it up to some people, get
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some, get some people on here. I like that.
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I'd like that. Get some guests on here because
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you know that's what it's all about it's about it's about
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everybody else. We're just here talking ball.
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It's, it's the people that we bring on, the people that listen
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that makes true all of this worth it.
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Speaking of it being worth it, is it going to be worth it for
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me at this trivia night that I'm about to go to?
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If I go and there's a baseball question that I botch, like how?
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How humiliating would that be if I botched a baseball trivia
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question? I mean, it's, it's tough to
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recover. You can't really come back from
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that. Is there like is there if I
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can't trust you as a source on my team, if you have an opinion
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on an another answer in a different subject afterwards,
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I'm going to hesitate there. So I'm going to be like, how
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credible of a source is this? If the baseball guy doesn't.
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Even know baseball, you know what I'm saying?
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He can't get that way up. OK, baseball guy to baseball
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guy. Is there a, is there like a year
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going back where there's like a cut off where it's like sort of
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understandable maybe if I don't get it, Like I mean if it's like
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post 2000, it's like OK. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, post
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2000 we should have covered. I struggle with the 80s.
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I'll be honest, I struggle with 70s and 80s, even 60s.
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I think there's like a big gap there.
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We, I think we do well with like the oldies, the older guys when
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you go 40s, fifties, but like there's like a 20-30 year period
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where I don't do so well, you know what I mean?
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Even like the early 90s, I don't think like 9090 to 93.
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I'm just like. I'm nervous that.
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Strike that was in there. It's like I kind of struggle in
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that area as far as like trivia type questions, but I don't
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know, man. T minus like 2 hours and some
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change until this this trivia night, you've been running any
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trivia apps you've been running any quizzes?
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No, I'm just trying to stay sharp.
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Just going to go in cold and just hope I don't embarrass
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myself. I'll have to report back.
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Regret that. I'll have to report back.
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If if that ends up being the case, I'd like to know.
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I'll report back. Yeah, a little bit to report
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back on this Juan Soto situation.
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Now how how much you want to look into it, that's up to you,
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Nate and and the listeners slash viewers take it, take it as you
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will. But the little that we we do
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know, according to John Heyman, shout out for the block on
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Twitter. John, the known teams that have
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called about Juan Soto. According to John Heyman, the
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Yankees crazy. The Mets never thought that.
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The Dodgers wow the Blue Jays. The Red Sox?
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Dagger. That would really that would
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really hurt the Giants. Duh, they call every year.
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So the top. Guy, do I have a drum roll on
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here? I don't have a drum roll on
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here. That's a shame.
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In lieu of a drum roll, how about John Kenzie Noel's Home
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Run? No.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You really need to replace that.
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I got to get a drunk. I mean, that's the best I have
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in in lieu of a drum roll. Finally, on the list here for
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teams to call about Juan Soto, the Tampa Bay Rays he was
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waiting to use that he's been waiting to use.
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That that's a good one. I like that one.
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I'm going to keep that stored. Oh yeah, that's a fake call, I
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think. Yeah, let's, let's go ahead and
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look at this list. Let's break this list down,
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shall we? Let's just go ahead and rule the
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Rays out. Fair.
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Done. Is that fair?
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I already did it mentally, I was already there, already moved on.
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Let's go ahead and rule out the giants.
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Can we go ahead and rule out the Giants?
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I don't, I don't know if we can. I want to, I just think that
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they're they're going to offer the exact dollar amount.
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I I could see the reports now. I could see the notifications
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now, like a few weeks after he signs wherever he is and there's
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a little report that comes out where like the San Francisco
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Giants offered the same dollar amount, the same structure, like
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the same that what he accepted. But I do get the vibe that he
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may be done with the West Coast, like that short little stint in
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San Diego, just out of he seems like an East Coast, an East
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Coast guy, you know, closer to the Dr. everyone at home can
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watch at the same time like that just kind of gives me at least
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some comfort thinking he'll stay on that side.
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But I don't know. It's, you know, similar to the
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similar to the way that I really up until this post season felt
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about the Mets. It's a, it's the same kind of
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thing for me where it's like the track record.
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Look at the track record. They don't get, they don't
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excite me at all. Mets fans were like, why?
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Why don't you believe in us? It's like you've given us no
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reason to believe in you. And then what did they do this
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post season? I went out and did something for
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once. It's the same thing with the
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Giants. Offseason after offseason, Free
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agent market after free agent market.
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Swing and a miss. Swing and a miss Offered.
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Offered more then the leading bidder or or the the ultimate
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suitor. Offered the same amount offered.
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Offered opt out like. Desperate at this point.
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It's they. I just don't until the Giants
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can land. What's an example like, I don't
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want to say like an Aaron Judge, but like it may be a tier below
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Aaron Judge until they can land or or maybe like just below
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Aaron Judge until they can land a player of that status.
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I, I in no situation, in no scenario do I feel that a team
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such as the Giants are going to be capable of landing a guy like
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Aaron Judge, as we already saw a swing and a miss.
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Even more so a guy like Juan Soto who's going to probably,
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probably pull in twice, twice the amount on his contract.
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Yeah, I just, I don't know, I think the Blake Snell thing was
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even more embarrassing cause of like that.
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He literally just used you and you, you accepted it, You agreed
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to that. And that's not being used and
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thrown away, right? And that's you don't even value
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yourself. You know what I mean?
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There's a lesson to be learned there.
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I think there is. There's a relational.
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Lesson to be learned there self. Value know your worth.
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Giants be be proud of who you are, look in the mirror and
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recognize that you don't have to stoop to such a level as to
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where you get used around you get tossed around like a rag
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doll. It's embarrassing.
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Pick yourself up. You're better than that.
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But even in even in that situation, Blake Snow, it's not
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even a good comparison because of the the way that the contract
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it was crafted, the length of the contract there.
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I I'm talking like a a long term star player until they can do
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something like that. Who's next to like that's like
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under control but hasn't signed like an extension early, young,
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promising. Who can we say?
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What's What's the? Who can we say say like?
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Would that? No, I'm not.
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I'm thinking hitter. Are you thinking hitter?
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Yeah, I typed in 2025 free agents, but I guess I would have
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to type in 26. That doesn't make any sense.
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You're a free agent in 2024, are you not like a Vladdy, maybe
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Vladdy like a Vladdy signing would get you.
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Yeah, perfect kind of go. And and that and that argument.
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There you go. If the Giants could get a guy
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like Vladdy Junior, like a bullshit one of the two, yeah.
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You, you then put to put to bed, put to rest that argument of
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like you, you swing and miss on every top tier name or upper
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echelon type name. If they could do something like
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that, OK, then I believe they'd be capable of getting a guy like
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Juan Soto. Unfortunately, Juan Soto is a
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free agent right now. So we have zero, we we don't
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have any situations or or examples like that to go off of
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for the giants. So.
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I just, I, I don't want to go there as a hitter.
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I there's no appeal. I don't there's no appeal.
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You get like one month of of good weather.
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I mean, I'm an East Coast guy and I'm not the free agent here,
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but like, personally, I wouldn't want to go to the West Coast.
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The only team I would want to go play for in the West Coast would
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be the Padres. He's already been there.
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I don't, I don't see that. I don't.
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See that coming back around it would be crazy though.
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So like, get the Hall from the Yankees and then swooping back.
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It doesn't. That doesn't.
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Feel right? It doesn't.
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I concur. Doesn't feel like a fit one of
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these other teams minus the race I I could see any any of these
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other teams happening before. Hear me out here.
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Can we take the Rays out and put the Mariners in?
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Why not? Now, let what we're what we're
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forgetting to address here is the the Boris effect the the
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game that reservices every offseason that Scott Boris plays
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of using these other teams as pawns.
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I don't know why we fall for this every offseason like the
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Red Sox are not a serious suitor.
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They're not. Do you think the Dodgers are I I
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put nothing past the dodgers. So I'm I can't I can sit here.
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I, I can't sit here and say that they are.
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They're not. I, the Dodgers have blown me
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away with what they've shown that they're willing and capable
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of doing. Because if you remember what
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was. That week that feels like Kevin
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Durant going to the Warriors that that it just feels soft.
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Yeah, I yeah, I think where the Dodgers are at now, I'm like,
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OK, you got you guys did you guys went out and balled out,
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You got these big names. But like I save some for the
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rest of the. League, that's where I get lost
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a little bit because like, I understand the desire to build
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some kind of dynasty, but I think the way owners at least
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mentally operate is that like it's almost a relief to go get
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that trophy so that you can like save money for the next few
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years and not hear everyone complaining, You know what I
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mean? Like it's almost like, OK, now
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we can back off now we don't have to be so aggressive
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financially and we can see what this core does if they run into
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stuff, we can continue to try and trade and fill in gaps at
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the deadline and, you know, sneak out a couple more trophies
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during this window. But like, we don't have to go
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drop another. I mean, he's going to get at
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least 40 a year at least. I mean that, well, that's
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another question. Can we, can we draw the line at
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like 650? Do we think?
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I mean, there's just, there's no way he's getting Otani money
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because you also have to keep in mind that I mean, who is not
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going to defer this money, this contract?
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Is if you do 650 and you go 12 years, that's 54 a year.
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Well, every all the estimates that I've seen are north of 12
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years, which I think it's a what I mean that's just insane.
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Like I've seen 13. I've even seen 14 which I get
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it, he's young but like what are we?
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I mean, that's still 46 a year, 14 years. 14 for 6:50.
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If you did 650, so even even if you brought it down to 600 / 14
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years, it's 42. Yeah, which for Juan Soto A.
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Nice round Number is 612 would get you 50 a year.
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There's just I like round even numbers that gets you there.
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You're saying 600 / 12 is 50? Yeah.
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Which is nuts. That's nuts.
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Dude, like with Otani, not to keep going back to Otani, but
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like with Otani, you, you have the, you have the pitching
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element, you have the international market
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marketability. And sure, you have that with
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Soto to a degree, but not nearly to the same level like that's
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that should be well understood at this point.
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My fear of the Mets getting him is because it's East Coast,
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right? We just talked about how we
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think he prefers the East Coast and you're getting out of
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shadows. That's the biggest thing you're.
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Bigger than every, everyone there, even if they bring back
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Pete, you're bigger, of course. So when you go to LA, you're
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back on the West Coast and are you, you're not bigger than
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Otani as far as shadow goes. If you're not bigger than Judge
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shadow, you're not bigger than Otani shadow on a, on a
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marketability, marketability type, you know, branding,
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personal type thing. Like you're not, you're not
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going to over shadow that. It just feels, I hate it.
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But the Mets do feel right. The Mets do feel right because
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they're going to be able to afford every dollar.
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They're on the East Coast. There's no shadow.
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It's his team. He immediately shows up and it's
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his team. As as great as he looked, as the
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Yankee, as great of a year as he had, as as beloved as he was, as
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as much as he loved it, maybe it wasn't his team.
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And that's why I, I think that's why the Mets just, they check
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every box. They check every box and I'd
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hate it. I really would.
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Then sure, baseball would love it because that, like, really
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just dumps fuel right on the the fire of what's been a pretty
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dull rivalry between the Yankees and the Mets that really just
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ignites it up again. Checks a lot of boxes.
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Well, Steve Cohen sure thinks so.
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A report came out today that said that he is going out to
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California to meet with Soto and Boris next week.
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And call me crazy, this a a deal of this size, a deal of this
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magnitude, probably 9 times out of 10 is probably running its
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course up until the beginning of March.
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I don't know I'm. I'm I think it's done quick.
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I'm made, I'm like sort of optimistic here that that we
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know who Juan Soto's going to be planned for by.
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Yeah, I think. The end of the year, yeah.
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I agree. I think Scott Boris is is trying
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to put all that stuff to bed of last year of waiting too long.
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I was. Big guys.
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And I think something quick, I think it taught him a lesson.
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If there if there's such a thing, then it kind of puts the
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bed any other, you know, conversation of players not
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wanting to be there or going to other agencies.
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I think that ends that. Yeah, I mean, even a, a guy of
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Scott Boris's stature, like he, he he took a hit.
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He took a hit last offseason. And you saw with the sound
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bites, the quotes from current clients, clients that cut ties
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with them once the season got going.
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They they made it known that they were not happy with him.
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And even with his resume, like it's similar to it's similar to
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baseball, man. It's like you're only as good as
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as like what you're able to do for me next.
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And and if if Scott Boris has any, any additional fall off
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like he he already is in the process of trying to maintain
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slash repair his image, I would I would think because you you
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got to look around the league. These teams are are calling as
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bluff, man. They're they're a little bit,
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they're not putting up with the with the nonsense.
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Anymore and there's and I think this is almost one at least for
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a little while probably his last massive client sure you know
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like you're not going to see another Soto anytime soon it's
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going to be a little bit. So he's really got to, he's
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really got to do well here. I'm talking with Boris like he's
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he's got to do well. He can't mess up because we saw
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how he managed that next tier, even the tier below that, you
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know, with Snell on Montgomery and Bellinger.
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Talk Toronto to me. What do you think what a slap in
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the face that would be to to your young core, huh?
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Yeah, selfishly, the Toronto just doesn't move the needle for
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me. And like I you want to talk like
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Soto looking for a team where it could be his.
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Not only is he getting the team, he's getting the country.
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And I know that that's the the consistent talking point when it
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comes to the Blue Jays, but that's the reality of it.
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And rarely are the are the Jays in the mix for a name of this
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kind, whether or not again, whether or not you want to
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believe Heyman, whether or not you want to think that, you
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know, maybe Boris is at work here trying to get as many quote
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UN quote bidders at the table that that's that's a personal
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choice. But I just for from a baseball
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to go back to the marketability. It just, I don't, I don't know
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if Soto being kind of, I hate to say it, but sort of like stuffed
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up in in in Canada, there's just something that doesn't really do
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it for me. And there's few, I mean, outside
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of like Ohtani and and Judge and and guys of that tier, there
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aren't really any guys that are are like you said, that are
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coming down the pipe that are going to demand such a contract.
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And I think this is an opportunity for Soto, for Boris
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and really for baseball sort of as a bystander, like the
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baseball world, to maybe see a guy of this status end up
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somewhere that could really move the needle for the sport.
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Yeah. And I just don't think Toronto
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is that is that place. What a way to what a way to
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argue to bring back your, you know, your boba shots and your
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and your vladdies. You know what I mean?
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Like, hey, I'm going to sandwich Juan soda in between you 2 and
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let you hit every day in a better position than you ever
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have. But the problem is that like
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even if they go budget with them, both of them, you got to
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think at least 25 mil a year for each of them.
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So now you're talking 100 mil between three guys.
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Is that team and roster configured well enough to
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sustain that financially and build around that?
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Like that's what I'm saying about the Mets, is that like
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they that's not the only move they're going to do.
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They're they've already said they're getting started pitching
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and we all know that they're in the Soto sweepstakes.
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So it's like they're planning on going at it.
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They just watched what the what the Dodgers did and they're
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saying we can do that too. We were almost there, you know
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what I mean? So, and especially when you
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have, you know, some young guys in control that are
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contributing, it's it's just hard to see any other fit being
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the same outside of the argument that, you know, he had his
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career year as a Yankee. That's the only Yankee argument.
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Yeah, and like staying in the AL ES the Jet to answer your
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question, like the Jays, the Red Sox, I I feel like if those are
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legitimate contenders here in the Soto sweepstakes, I think
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that they would just be better suited given the state of those
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organizations to take kind of like what you you and I were
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talking about with that, that video that came across our feeds
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recently where he's talking about, forgive me, I don't
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remember who posted it, but the the guy was talking about
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specifically for the Yankees, but it to me it applies for the
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Blue Jays and Red Sox in this conversation for the based on
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the list of teams that Haman put out.
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Those two teams in my mind would be much better suited to take
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the money if it's legitimate and distribute that amongst just a
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laundry list of names that could better improve your chances of
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of making a run. Like don't you're not in, you're
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not necessarily in a position to just go out and get Soto and
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call it call it an offseason. Like you need the Red Sox well
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documented. We're going to touch on it here
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in just a SEC. You need starting pitching.
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You absolutely need starting pitching.
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Last I checked, Juan Soda doesn't pitch.
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That doesn't help you. So just again, I don't think
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it's a a a they're a legitimate contender here.
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I think this is just Heyman or Boris using Heyman as a
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mouthpiece yet again. But if it is, I think the Reds,
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both Jays and the Red Sox are much better suited to look
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elsewhere. Utilize that money.
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I genuinely think let let's, I'm not even going to pick a team or
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needs, but I'm going to say add $20 million to your yearly
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budget of what you would spend on a soda.
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So let's just ramp it up to 60 mil.
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I think depending on how you structure those years, that
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could get you a Snell Bregman and an Adamus.
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I think you could get all three. And if you get a front end
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rotation, then your left side infield taken care of.
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And again, like I'm not choosing a specific team and saying these
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are their needs. I doubt all three of these guys
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would go to the same team, but that's the same dollar amount.
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And so at a certain point, like you have to weigh the what a
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generational talent is going to provide on his own versus these
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other holes that need to be plugged.
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And every team has holes, every team.
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So it's really hard to imagine saying that the Soto signing is
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worth it. As a Yankee fan, I've said this
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before. That's kind of how I feel.
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As much as I loved it as as well as he did, I'm actually OK if we
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miss out on it and the Mets go do what you've been so dying to
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do lately. And Pete Alonzo will be a will
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be a Red Sox after that. Speaking.
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Don't you put that evil on me, the Mets.
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Speaking of the Mets, not only are they interested in Juan
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Soto, they've checked in on Garrett Crochet, as have the Red
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Sox. As I have half the league I'd
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say. You know, I don't, I, I mean,
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obviously we have no way of knowing this for sure, but if I
27:22
had to guess, I think more teams were turned off by the whole
27:30
extension demand. I think so then we might give
27:35
credit to because I, I don't know, man.
27:39
There's just, and I I've said this before, this may come back.
27:42
Stupid ask. I can't.
27:43
I know I've said it before. It's so dumb.
27:45
I know, I know in this, this very well could come back to
27:48
bite me for sure and make me look like an idiot, But there's
27:51
just something about this crochet situation that just does
27:55
not sit right with me. And I don't know if it's
27:58
underlying potential risk for injury.
28:02
Like I, I just, I, I don't know if it's, if it's an ego thing.
28:06
Again, going back to this whole extension demand thing.
28:09
Like, I get it, it's a business. Do like look out for you, look
28:12
out for what's best for your future.
28:13
I understand all that, but it just seems awfully early in your
28:19
career to be making these sort of demands.
28:23
And I I just I just. Don't know?
28:25
What if you don't like it there? That's what, Yeah.
28:29
What if you hate it there And you know, God forbid for
28:34
Crochet's sake, what if you what if you try stretching this
28:38
starter thing out long term and it just doesn't pan out and it
28:43
it ends up. I think it ultimately shows like
28:47
his lack of faith in his own if the if this is his request or
28:52
his agency's request, I think it shows a lack of faith in his own
28:55
health. That's what I'm that's what this
28:57
all goes back to. It's like if you're trying to
28:59
buy a house and the person that's trying to sell you the
29:02
house is like, hey, you know, everything's great.
29:05
Don't worry, it looks great. Just go come on, sign in the
29:07
papers and we'll we'll be on our way getting getting you set up
29:10
in this brand new wonderful house.
29:12
So you'll be out of here by Friday.
29:13
Yeah, yeah. It's like hold on, pump the
29:15
brakes, can I look around? Can I like, you know, just check
29:19
out the rooms, just see how things are first before we rush
29:22
into something like this. And I just feel like Crochet and
29:25
his camp are just sort of navigating this a little too
29:29
aggressively, especially given the lack of of body of work.
29:35
I mean, you can look back to last year, sure, but I'm just
29:37
saying like it it it it still just seems too early.
29:40
And you know, like I said, it could come back to bite me, but.
29:44
Are the Red Sox like? Is this just not deja vu?
29:50
I'm in regards to stale, Yeah, well, I mean that we got a ring
29:58
out of that so. I think I think Chris Sale had
30:01
less question marks at the time. I think there was less worry
30:05
around Chris Sale than there is with crochet right now.
30:09
Yeah, it was post post World Series where it was like, OK,
30:13
this just isn't the answer clearly, but you know, thanks
30:16
for the ring. And that's I I still stand by
30:18
that like was I absolute was I frustrated beyond belief with
30:21
the way that that shook out? Absolutely.
30:23
I was like, yeah, I'm done with the sale experiment.
30:25
Stop trotting him out there every year saying like this is
30:28
finally going to be a clean slate of health form it.
30:31
It never was whether it was his fault or not, you know whatever.
30:35
But. Yeah, show me, Show me who's
30:40
your, who's your big first base prospect?
30:44
Prospect. You're talking about Casas?
30:46
No. So you had another one.
30:51
Was he a first base base? No, we got, I mean, we got
30:54
Marcella Meyer, we got Roman Anthony, Kyle Teal.
30:57
He's buying a dish. I don't.
31:00
All right, we'll throw in Bobby Dahlbeck.
31:03
Oh, Bobby Dahlbeck's gone. And you probably you need more
31:07
big leaguers tossed into that deal.
31:09
I'm assuming the White Sox are going to want some more big, big
31:12
leaguer. Dalbeck's not part of the
31:13
organization anymore. Oh, he is.
31:16
Yeah, he's he's Arb's already up.
31:18
No, he, well, they DFA Ed him and then I, I don't remember how
31:22
it shook out, but he's no longer with the team.
31:24
Oh, just continue to clear space for Pete Alonzo.
31:30
I think that's that's the way it is.
31:32
Trade for crochet. No, you know what I want, You
31:37
know that I got a guy that I want and I know he's he's had
31:39
his, his question marks with with health and all that.
31:43
But Max Freed, Red Sox are very much in on Max Freed.
31:47
So I'm so I'm reading and I, I legitimately believe that I'm
31:50
like, OK. I like Max Freed.
31:52
Yeah, it's we're not talking, we're not talking Soto money,
31:57
obviously, but you do need starting pitching.
31:59
And it's it's, it's more than time to make a splash and.
32:06
And it's perfect because it comes at probably a lower
32:09
budget, I think a high ceiling, lower budget, you know what I
32:14
mean? Like it's, it's a he's, he's
32:15
going to have a smaller dollar amount than what we thought a
32:18
few years ago. I think it's going to be, I
32:21
think he's cheaper, but you've seen what he's capable of.
32:26
So there's, there's a higher reward there.
32:28
It seems like a perfect fit. Speaking of fits, where do you
32:32
like? Where do you like Corbin Burns
32:35
at? I've I've, I've kind of gone all
32:40
over the place with this, honestly.
32:42
Is it is it me or do I feel like Orioles fans have pretty much
32:46
ruled out a reunion? Because I'm reading, I'm reading
32:50
reports today that says that that speculate that the Orioles
32:55
would be the the top fit right now.
32:57
It's a. Little strange, huh?
33:00
I don't know why if you're the Orioles and and bringing
33:02
Rubenstein in to, you know, take over, take over business, why
33:06
all of a sudden you would have no faith and Burns returning
33:10
doesn't make any sense. I agree, I really don't know.
33:15
He's looking at a a 200 million is is what's been reported.
33:19
He's he's whether it's seeking or expected to get, it's around
33:25
that 200 plus mil million mark. I don't know if I have a spot.
33:30
I mean, what do you think? This is one that seems less
33:35
obvious for me, like crochet for some reason, even though we said
33:41
what we said about, you know, like the question marks around
33:43
him, he just seems the the the shortlist seems much shorter
33:48
than than what Burns is working with.
33:52
Yeah, I really don't know. I don't know if I even have like
33:57
a good guess. I mean, if if you're the Mets
34:04
and if you're Steve Cohen and you just want to, you know, lay
34:07
the law down and put everyone on notice.
34:11
You try to knock both of those out in a week, get both of them
34:17
the press conference together. I remember when the Yankees did
34:20
that with in 2009, when it was when it was to share ACC and AJ
34:28
Burnett. Boom, here you go.
34:30
Here's where we're going. And it's a big power move, dude.
34:37
I would do it. I like.
34:40
That they need that. I, you know, I, I'm kind of with
34:43
you. I don't know if I have like a, a
34:44
number one destination for Burns, but I would probably
34:48
think he stays on the East Coast because the thing that we're
34:53
we're talking about here, it it's sort of, I mean, I know all
34:56
these guys aren't identical in terms of production value,
35:01
contract, all that. But a lot of these names are
35:04
sort of plug and play. Like if you and we've seen the
35:07
we've seen the way it pans out with teams and or we've seen the
35:10
way that that it has panned out for teams in previous off
35:13
seasons where, you know, swinging a miss on this guy.
35:15
But let's go get this guy right away.
35:17
If, if a, if a, you know, if the Mets want, I don't know if they
35:26
want Corbin Burns, they don't get Corbin Burns, so they go get
35:29
Max Freed or vice versa. Or, you know, the Red Sox, like
35:32
we said, need starting pitching. Could that be a situation where
35:35
you want this guy, but you got to go get this guy or I don't
35:38
know. I mean, even the Yankees throw
35:39
the Yankees into the mix. There's there's like this
35:42
conglomerate up here on the, the northeastern side of things
35:49
where it's like I sort of a plug and play grab who you can with
35:54
the money that you got and, and let's move on to the off seat or
35:57
to the to spring training. Yeah, yeah.
36:02
I don't know if there's like a specific spot that just jumps
36:05
out to me. I'm I'm a little weirded out by
36:10
by the Orioles mentality. It's very odd to me.
36:16
Why not? Yeah, like and throw them in the
36:19
mix. I mean, right there, you got
36:20
five teams for Burns. You got the Mets.
36:24
You got the Yankees, Orioles, Red Sox.
36:27
Unless the Orioles just go really heavy at Blake Snell.
36:30
And if you're, if you're thinking, you know, if if you're
36:35
going to have to start like scouting and and organizing
36:41
based on, you know, Mount Baltimore over in left field,
36:44
like Blake Snell was probably the better fit.
36:52
I don't know. This is killing me.
36:58
Who am I missing where I said you've got five teams for Burns?
37:02
Red Sox. Just in this hypothetical, like
37:06
Eastern, easternly quadrant conglomerate, you got the, you
37:09
got the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Orioles, wasn't there.
37:18
I don't think we're going to include the Phillies or Blue
37:20
Jays. Maybe it was just four, I said
37:22
5I, I guess 4, but yeah, I mean right there.
37:26
And yeah, based on like payroll and all that, it's it's sort of
37:30
assumed that those teams are going to be in the mix anyway.
37:31
But again, it's going to be I I really do think it's going to be
37:36
just another offseason of like, oh, this team is set on such and
37:40
such. They're going to scoop this guy
37:42
up right away. And there's some there's some
37:45
good options. I could see a surprise team
37:51
coming in for one big splash and just stealing because, you know,
37:57
there's always one team that kind of just like it.
37:59
It disappoints us a little bit. I could see like a Twins or a
38:05
Tigers coming in feeling like I'll take that, you know what I
38:11
mean? And I do think the Tigers are
38:14
going to surprise you this offseason.
38:17
I think they have a good core to start, you know, pushing the
38:19
chips in a little bit more. Feel like AJ Hinch really has a
38:23
good heartbeat, you know, good pulse.
38:25
Figure on the pulse for that. So I could see them starting to
38:34
poke around a little bit. Yeah, I could see, I could see
38:37
AJ Hinch having a have a nice little lunch on a cool Christmas
38:42
Day at the local, local pizza shop.
38:45
I don't know. I don't know where they go in
38:46
Detroit. Isn't Detroit big in a pizza I.
38:49
Don't think so? Well, Chicago, no.
38:52
No, no. Detroit.
38:54
Well, it's not really pizza, but Detroit.
38:56
Isn't that where Little Caesars is HQ is at?
39:01
It's not pizza. I know, I know.
39:04
Tough. Right am I Tell me am I right?
39:07
Is HQ in Detroit. Why would I know that?
39:10
I don't know. Anyway, all right.
39:13
Closing the book, Mike Schilt, do you like this move?
39:18
Two year contract extension. Yes, I love it.
39:22
I'm a Mike Shield Kai. I really like I I didn't like
39:26
the treatment he got in Saint Louis.
39:28
I thought it was silly. I thought it was weird.
39:31
And I like what he did with the club.
39:34
I like the fit. I I think if you're the Padres,
39:37
you're like, you know, we had a good thing going.
39:40
Let's just kind of build off of that.
39:42
Keep it going. You had the World Series champs
39:45
coming out and saying you were the best team that they faced in
39:48
all the postseason. I concur.
39:51
I think the Padres are right there.
39:55
They're right there in a good spot to run it back.
39:58
Good little show of force. Build something, create
40:02
something. Stop with this one year
40:04
narrative, take two steps back kind of thing.
40:09
Keep it rolling. Mookie Betts to the infield is
40:15
reported that Dodgers are bringing them back.
40:22
Shout out Murray in the chat confirmed on Wikipedia.
40:24
Little Caesars pizza HQ is in Detroit.
40:25
I thought so. Now, whether or not we want to
40:28
clash trustworthy source leather, whether like like
40:32
Michael Scott says it's the greatest source of information
40:34
because you can literally find anything about everything.
40:39
Whether or not you want to classify Little Caesars pizza,
40:41
that's not up to me. But you know, if that's, if
40:43
that's. That was Paige's first job.
40:46
She worked all, she worked like different locations all the way
40:48
through college. I had it like one time in the
40:54
last five years and I didn't hate it.
40:55
That's all I'll say. You know what I think?
40:59
I think Little Caesars, Little Caesars gets the job done in a
41:02
pinch, on a budget, helps out a lot of families.
41:06
You got to, you got to appreciate that they're doing,
41:09
they're doing good work out there for the communities.
41:12
So book it. You're going to see elite photo
41:16
this offseason. AJ Hinch with Corbin Burns at
41:19
The Local. Little Caesars.
41:22
There you go. Just wanted to show off our city
41:26
a little bit. Show you the culture,
41:29
everything. All this could be yours, Corbin.
41:32
In fact, you could own one of these franchises.
41:35
If after this, we're going to go take a walk through the Ford
41:38
assembly line and show you what we what we do here.
41:43
Mookie Betts, the infield Dodgers said.
41:47
Yeah, we're that's great that you're an outfitter now, but
41:50
we're bringing you back in 2025. Apparently Mookie's the guy
41:55
that's behind it. Apparently.
41:57
I read that he said he wants like he's the, the leading force
42:01
behind this decision. So you know, good for him.
42:03
I, it was interesting, he said. He said the toll that it he
42:06
felt, the toll that it took on his body, was greater in the
42:09
outfield than in the infield. I could see that.
42:14
Yeah, I could see both sides. I could see both sides.
42:17
I think this is a little smoke and mirrors.
42:20
I think I'm not fully certain that Juan Soto wants to play
42:27
left field. And I think it creates a little
42:30
bit of a conversation opening at least saying Mookie's willing to
42:34
move into the infield and it's not, hey, we're willing to do
42:38
this for Soto. It's a preemptive, hey, he's
42:41
done this before, we're going to bring him back.
42:44
I think it also maybe lowers the price a little bit on Willie
42:46
Adamus. You know, if the rest of the
42:48
league is saying, well, you know, this price tag is going to
42:54
have to be met for Willie Adamus because, you know, the Dodgers
42:57
obviously need a short stop, they're going to go well, now
43:00
that lessens that a little bit. So there's a little like there's
43:04
some showmanship going on. I don't see it shows.
43:08
Gavin Lux to the door. Definitely shows Gavin Lux to
43:12
the door I think. Put an end to that chapter.
43:14
Yeah, I think it's time to, you know, move him, move him with a,
43:19
with a piece somewhere, you know it.
43:23
It does a little bit. I just, I don't see it.
43:27
I don't think it makes sense. I I think he should stay and
43:30
write. AJ says not good pizza, but
43:34
pizza agreed. Kyle Hendricks Just super quick
43:43
here, run through these last few items.
43:45
Kyle Hendricks has agreed to a one year, two and a half,
43:47
$1,000,000 deal with the Angels. There's going to be a bunch of
43:51
these like super small, rather insignificant deals popping up,
43:54
but this was just one that I, I saw pulling my nose together so
43:59
I wanted to make sure we include it.
44:01
The The Chicago Cub era has come to a close for Kyle Hendricks.
44:06
Last remaining World Series, last remaining guy on that team.
44:17
Yes, yes. Ian Hap wasn't there yet, right?
44:23
No, Nope, I think it is. I'm going to say yes.
44:34
Hap was 17. I'm.
44:36
Going to say yes. 2017. 17 years old.
44:42
Maybe he was a dude. I don't know how old Ian Hap is.
44:46
Cool, cool. Got to do what you got to do.
44:51
You know, Angel, you got to get innings from someone, Someone
44:55
you know. Shohei Otani undergoes or under
45:00
when I should say shoulder surgery on Tuesday to repair the
45:04
labrum tear from game two of the World Series says he is expected
45:11
to be ready for spring training. So not really anything news
45:14
related, but it just goes to show you the, the, the severity,
45:19
I guess you could say of, of that little incident, because we
45:22
were there for a while, we were sort of unsure, like, oh, it's
45:24
just a dislocation, blah, blah, blah.
45:26
Turns out it was a labrum tear and.
45:29
Impressive. Impressive.
45:31
They stuck out and still took some daddy hacks.
45:34
Oh yeah, he. Didn't even come up with
45:35
anything but. No, I mean not, not really
45:38
controlled, yeah, not controlled swings.
45:40
He wasn't trying to poke at the left to left field.
45:43
But. See, see, and that's my thing
45:46
too, is that it was like, you know, it's torn, let it eat.
45:49
You're not going to make it worse.
45:51
You're still going to have this surgery, you know.
45:53
That's fair. I like it.
45:56
Lastly here, Skip Schumacher as expected, obviously no longer
46:00
with the Marlins we've we've known that, but a little bit of
46:03
a surprise heading to the front office in Texas.
46:10
I think this is weird. I think it's not as I.
46:15
I love it for the Rangers, I love it for baseball.
46:19
I love former players getting into the front office.
46:21
We saw what Chris Young has been able to do there.
46:25
I just, I'm curious on like you made such a impressive impact on
46:34
managing a team and then didn't really.
46:41
Set now setting himself up for when Bocchi gets out of town.
46:46
You think? Bocchi, You got to imagine
46:49
Bocchi doesn't have many more years left in the in the.
46:51
True, he moves awfully, awfully slow on visits.
46:54
The only reason I thought it was like sort of surprised though,
46:57
is because I just feel like you maybe could have just jumped.
47:00
I'm like, I would imagine that somebody would have wanted your
47:02
services right away. It must just be maybe he wants
47:05
to be in that organization. I don't like that's the only
47:07
explanation if if that's ultimately the end goal is to
47:11
manage again, could. Be a family conversation, you
47:13
know what I mean? Like, you know, it's you
47:16
travelled so much as a player, now you're travelling just as
47:18
much as a manager. Maybe you get a front office
47:21
roll and stay home for a year or two if you're right.
47:24
That's fair. Clearing the way.
47:26
But I just thought it was interesting.
47:30
I thought he did well. I thought he was mistreated
47:32
there. I think everyone sees the Miami
47:35
BS written all over it. I just would have liked to seen
47:38
him go somewhere, but it is what it is.
47:44
He'll be back. I think he'll be back in the
47:46
dugout at some point. He'll be back and we'll be back
47:51
next Wednesday, today's Thursday.
47:54
We'll be back Monday. I think for now at least that's
47:58
that's the plan this offseason, Monday, Thursdays.
48:02
So we will hopefully have some more headlines, some more player
48:06
news to discuss and or we'll have I think maybe an award or
48:11
two, possibly discuss. I think the I mean, not that it
48:14
really matters, but the platinum award I think is tomorrow
48:16
actually, which great, great for Major League Baseball.
48:19
Dropping a platinum award on a Friday night.
48:21
Love that. Such a botched.
48:24
Doesn't make any sense. Anyway, hopefully we'll have
48:27
some more things to discuss with you guys Monday, but if not,
48:30
we're going to, we'll bring something to talk about.
48:32
Send us ideas. Send it if they're, if you want
48:34
us to talk more about if you want us to do a little bit of a
48:36
deep dive and a Little Caesar's pizza.
48:38
Is it? Is it actual real pizza?
48:40
Let us know. Hit us up in the Com, in the
48:42
comments, in the DMS. I'll buy one and we'll do
48:46
research right here live. It I would love that.
48:49
It's good if if, if you're new to the show, it gets weird.
48:53
The the more the offseason progresses, the weirder it gets.
48:56
So just just buckle up. Just prepare yourselves.
49:00
But that's all I got. Don't go chasing curveballs,
49:02
folks. We love you all and as always,
49:03
looking forward to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
49:06
Until next time, stay filthy.