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Gone Fishin': The Crimes of Albert Fish · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  Hey, Hi. Hello.
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  As you can probably tell, I'm not Justy and I'm definitely not
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  Danny. This is Alex the editor slash
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  producer slash. I don't know, I've got some
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  other roles, but yeah, I'm editor producer of Hocus Pocus.
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  And as you will hear in about 3 hours into this podcast, Danny
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  asked me to put a disclaimer at the start of this episode just
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  to warn you that this as it does contain descriptions of child
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  abuse, paedophilia, murder, cannibalism, sadism, self harm
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  and just a lot of generally horrible shit.
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  And that's because Albert Fish was an evil bastard.
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  That doesn't start till about 50 minutes in though, So you've got
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  like almost an hour of with event until then.
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  We've all this project, the Hopeless, Poeless Lack of focus,
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  the very uneducational podcast that touches on subjects like
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  Pedro Pascal doing a Bush Tucker trial.
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  Those subjects could be witchcraft, conspiracy theories,
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  true crime, fake news and everything creepy, kooky,
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  mysterious and spooky. I'm just the your resident goo
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  Brain Dobsheen, who has been too distracted by Jamie Lee Curtis
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  to research today's topic. I'm joined, as always, by your
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  Hostess with the most chest on the streets.
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  They call her a good gangster because she's not just AG, she's
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  a double G She's Danny Thomas. Always about my boobs.
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  Always. Yeah, I said I'm gonna stop the
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  boobs, but I told you I'm. I'm uninspired.
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  I'm also Amy Lee Curtis to see those.
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  Yeah, I've I have seen those. Sorry to date this to date this
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  episode for anybody. I just how, how did we not know
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  that they were there? I I never knew they were there.
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  Well, the thing about it is right, And I've been a fan of
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  Jamie Lee Curtis's breasts since the 80s.
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  Now, the first scene that I would have that that I would
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  have like Jamie Lee Curtis was in a movie great movie.
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  Everybody go out and watch this movie.
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  It's called Trading Places, starring Eddie Murphy and Dan
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  Aykroyd and Jamie Lee Curtis maybe 198889.
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  But I big fan of it growing up used to watch it.
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  It's it's more of a a New Year's movie like than it is a
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  Christmas movie. But you know, Jamie Lee Curtis
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  plays a a call girl, let's say a sex worker for want of other
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  terms, and you call them. Now, yeah.
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  Yes, she she whips off her top at one stage and her beautiful
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  little Jamie Lee's are just dangling there.
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  And I would. Yeah.
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  So I've been a fan of Jamie Lee Curtis's breasts for a long time
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  now. Did I know that now that Jamie
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  Lee is a GILF that she grew some fucking gummy Gilkers?
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  Because Oh my day, Oh my days. What a pair.
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  Not that I'm obsessed with breasts.
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  Not. That you are at all.
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  No. No.
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  Well. Jamie Lee Curtis motor defying.
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  Jesus, those fucking baparos. I I don't think and I love Jamie
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  Lee Curtis. Actually, no, I don't.
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  She's a Zionist. Is she?
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  Yeah, yeah. She's a Zionist.
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  She's a Zionist, yeah. It's a pair of baps there.
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  That's. I know and I always loved her,
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  but I was like, I did an episode, a podcast we're doing
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  about movies, and we did. Ingo Callard mentioned your old
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  podcast. Yeah.
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  I mean, so we were doing Halloween.
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  It is Halloween, isn't it, that she was in.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's in Halloween.
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  Yeah. I always mix them up.
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  It was a Halloween and Friday the 13th because they both wear
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  masks. But like she, we were watching
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  it and we were basically like, I was like, has she ever been an
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  attractive woman? I don't think she's.
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  She's. I don't think she's ever been
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  pretty. I've always like that.
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  Like. Watch Watch Trade in places.
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  Yeah, no, like the body is, is great like, but I just feel like
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  she's she's always. Looked old.
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  She's one of those actors that just has always to me looked
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  really old, like Tom Selleck. Now I fancy the arse off Tom
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  Selleck, but he always looked old.
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  Yeah, Tom Selleck looks like he was 43 since he was 20.
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  Yeah. And then and if you go back and
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  you like, like The Golden Girls, they're like in their 40s, like
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  Rue Mclannon, who plays Blanche, she was like 41.
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  And it's just like, Jesus, I'm not far off that that's.
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  Castle, I'm nearly that age. Yeah.
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  I just I. Couldn't have been in The Golden
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  Girls. That's a fucking shame.
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  I could have been fucking giving it to Blanche.
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  You're my golden girl. But and it's just like, it's,
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  it's so funny. I saw this thing on TikTok and
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  someone was talking about it and they were just saying how like
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  what? We don't know what happened
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  because like boomers and Gen. X age like milk.
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  Millennials are aging so well. And then Gen.
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  Z, because it's all the fads and trends and skin care and they're
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  putting everything into their face.
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  They're aging like milk. So it's like millennials are
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  just in the very solid middle where you're up washing your
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  face with like that simple fucking face wash and like
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  Neutrogena, all the cheap stuff. And yeah, we're Asian.
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  Better than. I shouldn't be because like I
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  don't look after my skin or fucking anything a lot like I
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  just throw whatever. Like, you know what I was like
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  the source source fucking shower gel and head and shoulders.
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  That's me. That is me.
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  But. But that is the thing they say
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  though, that you can like you can fuck up your skin barrier.
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  You can't see he's doing his, his little cherub face.
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  You can fuck up your skin barrier by like using too much
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  shit on it. So like me, like I've always had
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  bad skin. I break out at the minute and I
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  think it's a trade off because I've got acne in my 30s, I can't
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  have wrinkles in my 30s so it's like they've given me the right
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  struggle, do you know what I mean?
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  So like I have stopped using loads of expensive stuff.
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  I usually just have a face wash serum and a moisturizer now and
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  I'm fucking lucky if I even remember to do that.
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  But my skin has gotten better in that time than fucking.
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  Like at one point my skin care routine was like 300 fucking
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  pounds a month. This is back when I had money
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  and my skin was the worst it ever was.
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  Because you're just fuck up your skin barrier.
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  So I think the less you put on your skin like men.
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  That's why men never seem to have bad skin.
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  I do have that, that smile. What's the the Perry fucking
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  Simpsons? What is the dead guy, Luke?
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  Perry. Luke Perry Smile.
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  When I smile, you can definitely see all my wrinkles come in.
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  Yeah, I have Botox. I can't, I can't make that face.
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  So. Yeah, I can't.
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  I just. This is another thing as well
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  where like I just I couldn't be arsed for that stuff.
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  I know like people will say like oh, Botox for him.
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  That would be great. You look like this, but I think
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  like even if I had like horseshoe hair and like my skin
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  sat falling off, I'd probably still be too lazy to do out and
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  about it. I think I'm just like, blessed
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  that I have a good, good hairline and, you know, my skin
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  isn't that hair. This is just us complimenting
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  Justy if that's the first 10 minutes.
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  I don't like at no, At no juncture would I say that I am a
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  a good great looking man, but at least like like my face isn't
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  falling off. I think you're a good looking
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  man. Thank you.
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  I am yes, I'll take I'll take every compliment like because I
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  need it. You should.
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  But I I do need self esteem. So give me those compliments,
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  but I will take them like this. Your life gets boring when you
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  have self esteem though. Like I recently discovered self
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  respect. I am so bored.
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  Like honestly, like, like literally I'm just like.
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  Like. If I got like, I got like AI got
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  AU up text, right? When did I get one?
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  Saturday. I was just like, yeah, I am
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  because I don't sleep that night.
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  But I was just like not leaving my fucking house like at 2:00 in
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  the morning to go over and get some mediocre Dick, right?
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  And he was like, I'll come to you.
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  And I was like, no, because I just changed my sheets and I
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  don't want boy smell all over them.
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  So no. And I'm like, old me would have
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  been like, yeah, that's fine. I'm barefoot running across the
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  street right now. Like I've also baked you a cake.
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  I'm on your. Way.
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  Now you're kind of now you're what has given you this self
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  respect, Danny, You might be asking, which is a weird.
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  A. Weird sentence, I didn't think
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  I'd be asking today. I'm just old and tired, man.
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  I'm just like, like, I have had so much mediocre sex in my life,
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  right? That very rarely is putting
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  myself out there worth it. So I'm like, like, I could go
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  and do that and get a little like ego boost because someone
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  wants to have sex with me. Or I could just stay home and
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  masturbate and that would, I would be guaranteed a finish and
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  I'd be able to sleep. So I'll have my own snacks.
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  I've got my couch, I've got my, my TV.
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  Well, I've got everything I need here.
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  Like I'm just old enough now that I'm comfortable in my own
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  company and myself that I'm like, Nah, it's not worth it to
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  make it worth it if I'm going to leave my house.
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  Yeah. I pay rent to live here.
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  I'm enjoying my rent like. Like what you're saying is like
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  you like it would want to be some good Dick to make you want
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  to leave the comforts of home. Yeah, and that's the thing as
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  well. I fucking I, I've told you this,
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  I like, I'm a set. I say I'm celibate, right?
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  I'm celibate with an asterisk because I only have sex when I
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  really, really think that it's a good connection with somebody,
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  right? And even if it's not going to be
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  like a long term thing, there has to be like some kind of like
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  they have to make me laugh. There has to be like a clique
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  personality wise because it's just expending so much energy
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  and it's like not like physical, just fucking personal energy.
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  And it's like, it's just, it's not worth it.
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  I've like, I've had too much shit sex that I'm like, men are
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  just the worst. That yeah, that that that makes
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  me self-conscious hearing you because like I in my head now
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  I'm like how many girls are talking about me in the sit
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  where like that mediocre sex because you don't know like you
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  don't, you don't. Well, obviously, like there is
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  things that you know what's shite like, but do you?
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  But like, for the most part, girls aren't going to be like
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  that was the worst sex in my life.
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  Oh, I started doing that and I think that's I, I don't care
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  anymore because I'm just like, I spent so many years faking for
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  guys and I'm like, I'm not going to fucking do that anymore.
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  Like literally a guy went down on me.
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  This was, I was in my apartment downstairs.
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  This was aged ago, like over a year ago now, and he just was
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  licking so far left of where he was supposed to be and I'd had a
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  few drinks and I just went. Boring.
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  He sends Christ, that's that's what I'll give him some like
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  like positive criticism, like. There's.
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  Nothing to give. No, it's like, oh, hey, I really
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  dig what you're doing. It's.
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  Just spraying them with some water bottle.
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  Like it's nice, but that's the back of my knee.
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  Like I. Mean if.
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  I had a vagina on the back of my knee.
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  I'd be loving this. But no, I don't like but just
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  like get out sleep. I was like, oh, I can't get the
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  last train. I was like get an Uber so I
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  can't afford new birth. Like you're 20 fucking 5 and you
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  can't afford an Uber. It's like £60.
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  It's like you're 20 fucking 5 and you don't have £60.
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  I didn't have £60 but I was just like 30. 9 I don't have £60.
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  But yeah, and it's just, it's just, it's too many encounters
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  like that that I'm just like, And then back when I lived in
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  Dublin, fucking literally on the old fucking like Pokémon quests
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  to go and catch some Dick at like 2:00 and 3:00 in the
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  morning, wandering in a city. I lost my glasses climbing a
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  fence to get Dick before like. Thank you for using a metaphor
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  that I'd understand you're. Welcome.
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  You lost glasses. I lost my glasses.
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  So who has? To claim a.
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  Fence for him all. Right, so it's actually really
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  funny. He's he's married now this guy,
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  but he had text me to go over. So I was living in Wexford at
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  the time back home and I was up staying with my friend and we'd
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  all been drinking all night, went back to his and then this
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  guy text me. So I was like, right, I'll get
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  an Uber. The Uber like fucking well, no,
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  it wouldn't have been an Uber. What was it back then?
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  Might know what was the taxi thing called.
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  A free now, my whatever free now was beforehand, yeah.
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  Or my taxi or something. Or something like that.
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  My taxi. I think my taxi turned into free
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  now. And he was fucking shite, right?
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  Could not find where this place was.
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  And he was like, how do you not know where it is?
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  I was like, I don't like, I've never been there either.
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  You're supposed to have a fucking GPS to get me there.
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  Like it's not that hard. I mean, it was like 12 years
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  ago, now I don't. Know I was 100% thought you were
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  talking about the G spot there until you were like the.
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  GPS. How can you not find this place?
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  I mean, a lot of guys can. A lot of guys can.
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  So in this taxi and he was going mad at me and I was like, dude,
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  I don't fucking know. You're supposed to know where
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  this is. Like I put the address into the
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  thing, like, I've never been there.
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  You're the taxi driver, whatever.
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  So eventually we find the fucking place and it's taken so
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  long that this guy's gone to bed and I'm just like, like, fuck,
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  have I come all this way and I have to go back again?
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  And my phone was dying, right? And I was just like, Nah, fuck.
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  This went up to the house. He'd had the gate, The gate was
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  locked, right? And it was like a tall gate.
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  And I was just like, fuck it, bag on my back, right?
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  And I had like, my, my glasses were in a case.
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  No, I don't even think they were in a case.
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  I think I had just taken them off and put them in the bag.
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  And I was like, right, fuck it threw my bag over the gate,
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  climb the gate Because I wasn't, I'm from like, if you're from
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  any country part of Ireland, you, you have to be, you have to
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  climb a gate and fences. The rules are you need to know
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  how to to, you know, you know how to climb stuff.
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  You need to learn how to whistle and climb stuff.
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  You don't know how to whistle on that.
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  Yeah. I can kind of whistle.
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  No, I can't. I was thought, no, I won't be
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  able to do it. I'll send you a voice note and
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  be doing it later at fucking five in the morning while I'm
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  having lunch. But so I was like literally I
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  was like threw it over climb this gate.
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  Now this is a big fucking like Bono's house gate, like huge.
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  So I was proud of myself to do it when I'm full of fucking
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  drink after being in the Academy all night and got over on the
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  other side, scooped up my bag. He opens the fucking 7 doors it
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  takes. And then I gave him head and
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  then he was like, we have to have sex now because you're too
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  good at that. And I was just like, OK, two, I,
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  I shit you not, right? And like I was like on my dead
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  mother's life, right? And my dad's two pumps, actually
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  2 pumps. And you know, people say O2
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  pumps, 2 pumps and this guy finished. 2 pumps.
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  And. Yeah.
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  That's the thing. That's why I always saw people
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  were like exaggerating and joking.
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  But that's the thing that happens. 222 thrusts he got
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  right. And I was just like, what?
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  I was genuinely like, because I was so like, no way.
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  Like. And he was like, I fucking told
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  you to stop giving me head. And I was like, it's my fault.
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  And he was like, yeah. And I was like, and then he was
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  like, I'll make it up to you in the morning.
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  I was like, in the morning, I'm going home.
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  And he was just like, what do you mean?
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  And then he got really annoyed at me because I didn't stay
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  over. And I was like, why would I stay
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  over? Like I came here for one thing.
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  I didn't get it. I'm not going to just fucking
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  have a sleepover with you. I'm going back to take
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  mushrooms. And he was just like, why are
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  you serious? And then I went down and then he
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  wouldn't open the gate for me because he was like, I'm not
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  getting out of bed. I'm in bed now.
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  He's like, it's fucking whatever o'clock in the morning.
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  And it's like, just fucking stay here.
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  And I was like, no, like I'm leaving.
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  So I went and I let myself out, climbed the gate again, fell
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  over the gate that time and then just walked all the way back.
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  I think it was like an hour it took me to walk all the way back
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  to Gainers apartment. And then all the mushrooms were
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  gone and I was like, alright, well where's the fucking?
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  Where's the Molly? And then, yeah, then I was good
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  do. You know how hard it was for me
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  to not interject and be like, oh, here's why didn't you?
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  No, but not no, but like, you know, like when you're talking
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  about because I'll tell you why, because Alex has my fucking has
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  me done in with that bingo, because I talk too much about my
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  balls, my Dick and. What?
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  I am. So I'm like, well here's how
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  many pumps it takes me, which is Infinity, but anyways.
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  Yeah. My problem is it never.
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  Stopped pumping. My problem is I can't, I, I, I
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  find it very hard to climb because I have eroded all of the
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  nerve endings of my penis through my wanking.
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  Yeah. From my, my addiction to
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  masturbation, my ADHDI need dopamine, so let's just tug away
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  at my penis kind of an issue. So yeah, there I am.
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  So yeah, Alex, that's all that that my cock, cock that I want
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  to fucking pull out. Just these eroded genitals.
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  No, no, I looked on fucking Spotify and our new open coming
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  podcast has three stars on it, which means some fucker out
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  there, yeah, some fucker out there has given us zero stars.
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  So someone would have been better.
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  Some fucking 2 pump chump who was up on you or some fucking
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  scorned woman who I was up on is is after giving us fucking zero
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  stars. And in my head I was like, maybe
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  it's Alex. Maybe, maybe Alex has given us
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  zero stars because because the torment we have to fucking.
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  We've. Been giving him through this
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  fucking podcast. I was talking to him last night,
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  actually. And then I just clocked I was
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  like, fuck, I didn't send you this week's podcast, so I sent
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  it to you about like 5:00 AM. And I was like, there's nudes if
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  you get it up today or tomorrow. Lack of focus.
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  So you know which we're 20 minutes in and have not talked
• 20:31
  about anything witchy or kinda what's what's going on?
• 20:37
  What's going on? You you did say that you've got
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  some witchy news. I don't or did you?
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  I don't. Know.
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  Yeah, I do a. Little bit of witchy news.
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  So I think I mentioned this on the last episode that I started
• 20:51
  working with demons recently. You did, yeah.
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  You did. I did a money ritual on Thursday
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  with I don't know if you've heard of Boone BUNE.
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  No, I have not heard of Boone BUNE.
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  Sounds like a character from Lost.
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  I know 1 of the 72, like 72. So there's 72 in the Galatian
• 21:21
  realm of demons. I'll send you a thing.
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  It's actually really interesting to read all about them and what
• 21:27
  they do and stuff. So Boon is a fortune, success,
• 21:35
  wealth, prosperity, all that kind of stuff, right?
• 21:38
  The way demons work, I think I've explained it in the last
• 21:40
  episode, is that you have to give an offering.
• 21:42
  But unlike deities that you worship and you kind of just
• 21:46
  give offerings as and when, like to honor them, and then they
• 21:50
  work with you, they help you out.
• 21:52
  Demons are transactional. So it's like, I'll give you this
• 21:56
  if you give me this kind of thing.
• 21:58
  Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:59
  So I did the, I was researching Boone.
• 22:02
  I have this book, it's like Demonaltri, it's called, it's
• 22:05
  like by it's basically the most popular kind of book about
• 22:10
  demons like out there. And I did a lot of reading on
• 22:14
  Boone. So apparently, and this is the,
• 22:17
  you know, the way they all have their weird things that they
• 22:19
  like. It's like Dionysus is like, you
• 22:21
  can give them like grapes or red wine or anything like that.
• 22:23
  You know Boone really likes # cake. # cake.
• 22:30
  I don't know what # cake, right? This is, that's unbelievable
• 22:35
  bullshit. That's some dude being like,
• 22:38
  I've I've met an altar for Boone and what he really likes is #
• 22:42
  cake. And then he just sneaks in every
• 22:44
  night and eats the pound cake. Like a little nibble off it and
• 22:48
  it gets smaller as the days go by, right?
• 22:50
  But anyway, at least a pound cake, right?
• 22:52
  So a universal offering to gods is things like wine and honey,
• 22:58
  right? Demons don't play that way.
• 23:00
  They're very like, no, I want this fucking flavored beer and
• 23:05
  you better get it for me, like this kind of way, right?
• 23:08
  So boom, pancake. And I was just like, OK, like I
• 23:12
  did the ritual. I said pancake upon delivery of
• 23:16
  results. OK, and today I'm not going to
• 23:21
  say how I how I acquired the money 1600 lbs deposited into my
• 23:27
  bank account today, right? And I was like fuck.
• 23:32
  That here it's like the most suspect thing you've ever said
• 23:37
  and you've said some suspect things on this fucking podcast
• 23:40
  is I'm not going to tell you how I got this money and then
• 23:42
  proceed fucking say a large a large.
• 23:46
  Sum, I will tell you, but it's basically right.
• 23:50
  So I've been unemployed since February.
• 23:52
  I took redundancy and then just didn't get another job.
• 23:57
  Just took some time for me and you know, whatever.
• 24:01
  Then just got a new job recently that I start in September.
• 24:04
  So just kind of had a little sabbatical for myself basically,
• 24:08
  right? So the way it works, I don't
• 24:10
  know how it works. Universal Credit, well the dole
• 24:12
  basically over there is that they backdate you everything,
• 24:17
  don't they? Like if you've been employed for
• 24:19
  Yeah, they don't do that here. They do it for like a month
• 24:24
  maximum and it's only in certain circumstances.
• 24:27
  So I was told I would be getting £400 and I was like that's fine,
• 24:35
  that's still a huge help. Whatever.
• 24:37
  They knew I started work. I start work on the 1st
• 24:39
  September. All good, great, grand,
• 24:42
  wonderful. I was told I wasn't going to get
• 24:45
  any money until the 1st of September when I had to go in
• 24:49
  for like a fucking commitment meeting.
• 24:50
  And I was like, I've got a job, like I can't go to that.
• 24:53
  Like, you know, I'm working. Really unhelpful on the phone.
• 24:57
  Got a phone call this morning from one of the guys been like,
• 25:01
  oh, I've had a cancellation, we can do the appointment today.
• 25:05
  And I was like, I can't make it in today.
• 25:07
  It's too short notice. I was still in fucking bed.
• 25:09
  It was like 2:00 my my sleep schedule and he was just like,
• 25:16
  no, no, he's like, I could, I can do it over the phone right
• 25:18
  now. He's like, I just have to redo a
• 25:19
  lot of the commitments, blah, blah, blah.
• 25:21
  And he was like, I know that you've gotten a job.
• 25:23
  It's just, this is just something I have to take off the
• 25:26
  list and then we can do whatever.
• 25:28
  So it's like, OK. And then we were going through
• 25:30
  everything. And then he was like, oh, you've
• 25:33
  been unemployed since February. And I was like, yeah, I took
• 25:36
  redundancy. And I was like, I know that
• 25:38
  can't be like backdated or anything.
• 25:40
  And then he didn't say anything, just kept going through 1600 lbs
• 25:44
  released to my account as within 20 minutes of that dude hanging
• 25:49
  up the phone to me. And I.
• 25:50
  Thought I'd only get 400. So I was like that's £1200 that
• 25:54
  I owe this demon and now I have to, I don't know what the fuck #
• 25:57
  cake is. So I have to find pound cake.
• 26:01
  And I was like literally here's my friend like Mickey who gets
• 26:04
  mentioned every podcast. I love Michaela American and she
• 26:08
  was like, oh, the equivalent in the US pound cake is basically
• 26:12
  like, you know, like Madeira loaf, like a lemon drizzle kind
• 26:15
  of situation. Yeah, but yeah, it is from what
• 26:18
  I know about pound cake because I've I, I have seen it before.
• 26:22
  It's just this really fucking heavy fucking.
• 26:25
  Cake of. Like.
• 26:27
  It's like it looks like Madeira or Lemon drizzle like that.
• 26:30
  That kind of it's made in the same group of apparently it's
• 26:33
  like a brick, but it's just heavy as fuck.
• 26:36
  What kind of moist? If I remember moist what a weird
• 26:40
  word that's yeah, I I just remember being kind of a plain
• 26:46
  cake that is like sugary and fucking like Madea rice was
• 26:51
  would probably be the closest thing I.
• 26:52
  Could yeah. And I, I googled it and stuff
• 26:55
  and like, yeah, basically the British version of it is, is
• 27:01
  Madeira cake. So that's on my list of my
• 27:04
  groceries arriving tomorrow because I was like, I can't not
• 27:07
  fucking give it because I'm like, that was crazy.
• 27:10
  And that was within, that was when did I do that?
• 27:12
  Thursday. Yeah, no, yeah, this is the
• 27:15
  thing. I think it's, I think that it
• 27:17
  was Wednesday because I am awake at night.
• 27:22
  So I did the ritual on a Thursday which would have been
• 27:25
  very early Thursday morning, which would have been Wednesday
• 27:28
  night ish if you get me. Yes.
• 27:32
  That ritual at like fucking just after midnight on a Thursday and
• 27:36
  then by fucking today I had 1600 lbs.
• 27:41
  Fuck me maybe I need to start fucking talking to some demons
• 27:45
  like or just get my shit together.
• 27:48
  That would probably. Be really.
• 27:50
  Good. Get My Shit Together will
• 27:51
  probably be good as well, yeah. It's no, because it's, it's kind
• 27:55
  of like, and I know that's obviously not like so he is
• 28:00
  normally known for like sustainable long term thing.
• 28:05
  But in the petition that I wrote, I was like, dude, I need
• 28:07
  a lot of it and I need it now. Like I just, I need like just to
• 28:11
  get over till I get paid. And he delivered and I poured
• 28:16
  like so like I did give an initial offering, which is just
• 28:20
  some red wine and I was like, here's some red wine.
• 28:22
  You can have pound cake if I get if I see results.
• 28:26
  So you're kind of like Quinn, pro quo and demons.
• 28:31
  Yeah. Yeah, All right, if it's.
• 28:35
  Morgan Mental. It's but this is the thing and
• 28:39
  it's like it's not it's too or I'm all for again, mundane over
• 28:44
  magic, but that's too weird. Like that's that's too weird,
• 28:48
  that's too strange. It's too close together from
• 28:51
  when I did the ritual to the fact that they're very strict on
• 28:55
  and I was told this, very strict on back dating anything.
• 28:59
  It's a month Max and that's only if you couldn't claim it because
• 29:03
  you were ill or for whatever reason.
• 29:07
  No 1600 lbs. Yeah, take it, take that shit.
• 29:15
  But you know, can't. Do a spell and be like if you
• 29:19
  make me lose like 2 stone in the next two weeks, 7 LB cakes.
• 29:28
  Technically, technically be 14 LB cakes 'cause there's £14.00
• 29:31
  in a stone. Sure, actually.
• 29:33
  Wait. Yeah.
• 29:34
  Wait did you say how many songs did you say?
• 29:36
  2 Tucson 2828 LB Cake. Oh yeah, 14 lbs a stone.
• 29:40
  Yeah. Massage. 28 lbs and 2 stones.
• 29:43
  Yeah, don't say that. We can't do mathematics out
• 29:45
  there. And to anyone who is American
• 29:48
  listening to this being like, what the fuck are they talking
• 29:50
  about? Pounds and so on.
• 29:52
  Listen, fucking adopt the imperial system or adopt the
• 29:56
  fucking metric system. You can't sit in between the two
• 29:58
  of them and complain about thought.
• 30:00
  The Canadians are better. The Canadians, we'll just say
• 30:02
  that. Yeah, but I was like, I I have
• 30:06
  to fucking, I have to deliver now because it's too, it's too
• 30:09
  close to not like if it was weeks down the line, you know
• 30:13
  what I mean? And I, I, I saw the results
• 30:16
  weeks down the line, then I would have been like, but he's,
• 30:20
  he's done his job. Like.
• 30:22
  So you reckon that like because it was so fast that like it it's
• 30:29
  you can't doubt that it's I. Can't doubt that.
• 30:33
  I mean, that's just my because I have a belief anyway already.
• 30:37
  I I can't like that. That was fucking crazy And like
• 30:41
  which I still have the offering because I hadn't like you have
• 30:45
  to leave it up for a couple days like so it's all the tray with
• 30:47
  all the herbs and the petition and everything and the.
• 30:50
  You still do the same, you still do the same shake that you do to
• 30:54
  your goddesses and stuff. So you do put out, you put out
• 30:58
  like offerings as well. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:59
  But. They don't stay on the altar
• 31:01
  because demons are transactional on the actual altar.
• 31:06
  When I've got like Hecate, Persephone, Dionysus and
• 31:09
  Aphrodite, they're there all the time.
• 31:11
  And then I just, I'll freshen it up, I'll change it out.
• 31:15
  I'll get them new stuff and take off kind of old stuff and
• 31:19
  replace it and like tend to their altar demons.
• 31:23
  It's a one and done kind of thing, but you still do.
• 31:28
  You're offering your herbs, whatever, you place it all
• 31:30
  there, then you do your ritual and then when they deliver, you
• 31:34
  give them that and then the contract is done.
• 31:38
  And then if you want to call on them again for something, then
• 31:41
  you can. Yeah, so my, my belief system
• 31:46
  obviously is a lot less specific than certain gods or demons or
• 31:50
  whatever, because, you know, I'm more of a kind of a cosmic kind
• 31:56
  of a, a galactic hipster. Maybe you could call me where I,
• 32:01
  I do call upon the power of the universe and I'm thankful for
• 32:06
  the positive stuff in my life. And that's the way I've been
• 32:09
  kind of recently. I've been very, very thankful
• 32:12
  towards the, the universe, but I never think about like in the
• 32:17
  same kind of way where I Ioffer, I do like, I suppose I, I, my
• 32:23
  kind of philosophy is like, do good and good will happen.
• 32:26
  Like, you know, like to every action is a is an equal
• 32:31
  reaction. Like so like my whole thing is
• 32:33
  like, if you put positivity out into the universe, positivity,
• 32:36
  you'll come back to you. But I never really think about
• 32:39
  it in a kind of a how I don't want to say transactional way in
• 32:44
  that kind of regard, but you know what I mean?
• 32:46
  Like I never think of doing something specific for the
• 32:51
  return of anything specific. Yeah, no, I, I.
• 32:53
  Like it you're able to 0 into those kind of things because
• 32:56
  you've got specific gods, demons, that kind of stuff that
• 32:59
  you can kind of put your energy into.
• 33:03
  Yeah, like I kind of just. Sort of.
• 33:05
  Think about it in frequencies and radiation, like, you know
• 33:09
  what I mean? Like I once I radiate positivity
• 33:12
  into the universe, yeah, then I should be getting it.
• 33:15
  And that that is a huge, a huge part of it.
• 33:17
  Like it is just trust in the universe, the universe, whether
• 33:22
  you're putting good or bad in, it's going to take you where you
• 33:25
  need to be. But the road might be rougher if
• 33:28
  you're not putting good into it. Do you know what I mean?
• 33:32
  And it is, it's very much a thing Like what goes around,
• 33:35
  comes around, like it's all a wheel.
• 33:37
  It's all a karmic loop. It's true.
• 33:39
  As far you won't pass, yeah, as my sister always says there's
• 33:42
  one for the, the, the the bingo. I mentioned my sister as far you
• 33:46
  won't pass it. She always says she gets very
• 33:50
  fucking Irish by things. But I suppose like I do kind of
• 33:54
  hold on to that philosophy in in in that like, you know, it like
• 34:00
  it at some stage. Like I was like for a long time
• 34:04
  there. Like I kind of had a rough
• 34:05
  couple of years. So like I was like, fucking when
• 34:07
  is the good going to happen? Like, but I suppose you kind of
• 34:11
  just have to appreciate it when good is happening.
• 34:13
  Yeah. But also, if there's a demon out
• 34:17
  there listening to this podcast. There probably is.
• 34:19
  Oh suck your Dick are fucking 6000 British pounds.
• 34:26
  Like there's different demons that do different things.
• 34:28
  Like there's what? So Boone and like I've been
• 34:31
  working with Sea Tree and Arias are very, they're known as like
• 34:36
  just gentle, nice demons. They're easy to approach.
• 34:39
  They're not like whatever, but there's some of them like and
• 34:41
  you read up on them and they're like fucking scary.
• 34:44
  Like they're like, if they deliver and you don't have the
• 34:48
  offering ready, they're just like, well, now you've lost all
• 34:51
  your hair. We're just like.
• 34:56
  You're not all worried about like you that has the belief in
• 35:00
  this and believes that something like that disaster work and
• 35:04
  yeah, but are you not worried that like playing with this kind
• 35:08
  of stuff is like playing with fire almost literally if.
• 35:12
  You're respectful and you approach them respectfully,
• 35:17
  which I do like there's a whole ritual, there's a petition,
• 35:20
  there's whatever. It's fine.
• 35:22
  I mean like, and I get my friend re Rhiannon that I told you
• 35:26
  about the other witch. She doesn't even say the word
• 35:29
  demon in her house. She's that that she's very much
• 35:33
  a green witch. Doesn't believe in hexing,
• 35:35
  doesn't believe in anything. Just very like what goes around
• 35:39
  comes around, spiritual yada, yada, yada.
• 35:42
  Like I grow all my herbs in my garden and then I do love spells
• 35:46
  for whatever that's and that's great.
• 35:49
  Like that's awesome. I like to fuck around and find
• 35:51
  out. So like I, I, I do like there's,
• 35:55
  there's demons that I probably like.
• 35:57
  I don't feel confident enough to call on just yet, but the ones
• 36:02
  that I have have worked, they've done what I asked them to do.
• 36:08
  I've paid and they've they've done it.
• 36:12
  So it's like, all right. And there's like there's some
• 36:15
  demons that you see that I think I did, I say this to you.
• 36:18
  I had somebody I didn't that obviously the nobody really
• 36:24
  talks about them because they're like fucking Jeff Bezos type
• 36:27
  demons that you know what I mean?
• 36:29
  Like scary guys. Like we talked about me growth
• 36:33
  that was kind of demons that like I wouldn't even have the
• 36:36
  means to. Yeah.
• 36:39
  Care is the name of the owl. Oh yeah.
• 36:42
  Yeah, we had done a whole Bohemian Grove thing, but
• 36:47
  anyways, I still don't. Know if that got lead or not,
• 36:50
  but anyway, so yeah. And it's it's that kind of thing
• 36:52
  about like, that's why that's another bingo.
• 36:57
  And he's pissing and he's having a squash while she's chatting to
• 37:02
  me. One of the Neimans is asking for
• 37:05
  piss, so she's just. Well, yeah, and it's it's yeah,
• 37:10
  there's there's things that they like they don't you don't talk
• 37:13
  about you don't whenever. And that's literally high
• 37:15
  priority is that you like there you have they require offerings,
• 37:19
  like don't have the means to give.
• 37:21
  So like, I can't fucking kill anyone.
• 37:23
  I can't like sacrifice animals and fucking cut off body parts
• 37:28
  like like the cartel do. Like I can't do any of that
• 37:31
  shit. I could, but I won't.
• 37:36
  And it's like, you don't want to fuck with those kind of things,
• 37:39
  but it's with someone that's just like, here, listen, if you
• 37:41
  give me a cinnamon stick, I'll get that chapter, right?
• 37:44
  Yeah. Just like Deal.
• 37:52
  I made AI made cinnamon French toast.
• 37:55
  I didn't offer anything. Some fucking demons.
• 37:58
  I just had it myself. Just yeah, it was fucking
• 38:01
  delicious. That we're keeping it light
• 38:03
  because the story that we're going to cover today is going to
• 38:06
  make you want to kill yourself so.
• 38:09
  Fantastic segue. And I think we can call it, I
• 38:13
  want to call it either go fish or gone fishing.
• 38:20
  So. That's yeah, I get what you I
• 38:23
  get how you did that. So let.
• 38:26
  Me pull up my. One fish, 2 fish.
• 38:30
  Red fish. Grey fish.
• 38:33
  So I made the notes that like fucking I've I've had the notes
• 38:37
  before and I went in and I like fleshed them out this morning at
• 38:40
  like 5 AMI don't know what it is.
• 38:42
  The five me at 5:00 AM. Five AM is like my most
• 38:44
  productive hour. Gas because you contacted me at
• 38:50
  5:00 AM and we're like do you want to do do podcast tonight
• 38:54
  and I was because of the way my yes.
• 38:57
  Mom. My.
• 39:01
  My schedule works. I was getting up at 5:00 and the
• 39:04
  way your schedule works, you are well up at 5:00.
• 39:08
  And I was like, yeah, this woman has not gone to sleep or was
• 39:11
  probably not planning on going to sleep anytime soon.
• 39:14
  And he's asked me, are we going to do a podcast at 9:00 PM?
• 39:19
  At 5:00 AM. I like to be prepared.
• 39:23
  I like to be prepared. That's actually really annoying
• 39:25
  me now. So I have.
• 39:26
  That. Zero star review.
• 39:28
  What? That's that's still annoying me.
• 39:30
  Yeah, in the back of my head I'm like, fuck you, Who the fuck are
• 39:33
  you? That guy, yeah.
• 39:36
  Like. It's it's some bitch.
• 39:37
  Yeah, I know. It's probably a woman like it is
• 39:40
  probably like someone that I've pissed off or you've pissed off
• 39:45
  or we both probably both like. I think we're both like, let's
• 39:50
  face it, we're we're bored people who have probably pissed
• 39:53
  off somebody at some stage. And yeah.
• 39:56
  Although like. So.
• 39:57
  Fucking. I love.
• 39:58
  That that's our that's our go to.
• 40:00
  And it's not just like our podcast.
• 40:02
  It's genuinely bad. Vendetta against me.
• 40:15
  It's like, it's just like, well, like.
• 40:18
  Well. Here's my thing.
• 40:20
  Like who? Who?
• 40:21
  Who goes online? And then like, I suppose
• 40:25
  everybody does, but like, just like, but like, if you don't
• 40:30
  like some, just leave it alone. Just go away.
• 40:32
  It's not for you. Yeah, I mean.
• 40:35
  Like I'm. Like.
• 40:37
  That. Like is he even if it's like
• 40:41
  like you write my Uber, like my Uber, I always give 5 like no
• 40:44
  matter what happens, there's one guy that swore at me and made me
• 40:47
  cry a few weeks ago. Like he got 0.
• 40:49
  But like anyone else, I'm just like 5-5.
• 40:53
  It was like so. Chatty when I walk out of a
• 40:56
  little. When I walk out of a little.
• 40:59
  I hit the, I hit the green :), yeah, no matter what, I hit the
• 41:03
  green :) every time I walk out a little, some days it's fucking
• 41:07
  excellent service. There's fucking some lovely
• 41:09
  Eastern European woman says have a great day.
• 41:11
  And I say, yeah, I, yeah. Thanks.
• 41:18
  Thanks a lot. Have a good day.
• 41:20
  But you just said it so. Yeah.
• 41:24
  So I'll give it the green button, but even if someday
• 41:27
  Magda Makasha is fucking sitting there and she actually is
• 41:31
  looking like she's had a has a face on her like a slapped ass,
• 41:35
  I'll still walk out there and hit that green button because
• 41:37
  I'll give her the benefit that would be like that poor fucker
• 41:40
  is probably not having a great day, no?
• 41:43
  Just sit here and deal with all you cunts like yeah.
• 41:48
  Some. Fucker is after listening to us
• 41:50
  talking about the fucking Greenland shark, fucking Loch
• 41:53
  Ness fucking theory and it's like.
• 41:56
  Oh, do you know what I'm going to give?
• 41:57
  These zero stars because I don't believe.
• 41:59
  Fuck, fuck you it. Isn't a podcast, people are
• 42:02
  talking about their fucking their genitals and fucking 6
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  killed fucking sharks that live in 400 years.
• 42:07
  I'm sorry. That's not your cup of tea, but
• 42:09
  don't give us fucking. Zero stars you son of a bitch.
• 42:12
  Just Click to the next podcast. There's other fucking podcasts
• 42:14
  out there. You listen to fucking Real
• 42:16
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• 42:19
  bullshit, you fucking listener, you cunt.
• 42:25
  You horrible cunt. I mean, if you're out there and
• 42:29
  you're listening to this and you're thinking, oh, I enjoyed
• 42:34
  this for the two people, two people are actually probably
• 42:38
  still listening to this. Just.
• 42:42
  Just. Maybe give us a five star
• 42:43
  review, all right, just to boost up the numbers please, Because I
• 42:48
  need self esteem. All right, Danny.
• 42:51
  Danny doesn't need self esteem. I don't know what Danny's deal
• 42:54
  is, but I need the fucking self esteem.
• 42:58
  I love that for the first time in my life, what my deal is
• 43:01
  everyone's just, she's just, I don't know what that woman is
• 43:04
  doing. And that's like.
• 43:06
  What's the what? What?
• 43:08
  Is. I'm going to be that old lady.
• 43:11
  What is going on that? Lives in a house that everyone's
• 43:13
  like, Oh yeah, that witch lives there.
• 43:15
  We like not knowing I'm actually a witch or I just have
• 43:19
  agoraphobia. Nobody knows both.
• 43:23
  But anyway. I heard her house has chicken
• 43:25
  legs. Baba Donna.
• 43:29
  And she sleeps. And she sleeps with sharks.
• 43:34
  Right. So did you see that video I
• 43:36
  shared actually about the bull shark in Florida?
• 43:42
  Yeah, it it bit a guy on the leg.
• 43:44
  Good enough for stupid motherfucker.
• 43:47
  What a stupid fuck. Like by the fucking, like no,
• 43:50
  like what? What was your fucking?
• 43:52
  What was your goal there? And then to be like, we got to
• 43:55
  go, we got to go. He wanted to get, he wanted to
• 43:57
  get a good picture and show off. Like that.
• 43:59
  Like. So I guess for anyone who anyone
• 44:01
  who doesn't know what we're talking about is Danny shared a
• 44:04
  video. There was a couple of guys on
• 44:06
  the beach fucking around with a beach shark.
• 44:10
  One guy was kind of one guy holding him by the.
• 44:14
  He. The dorsal he.
• 44:15
  Wasn't even beach they pulled. Him out so he was in the.
• 44:18
  Shallows. He was a bull shark.
• 44:20
  Hold them out with the water. There was like fucking six of
• 44:23
  these stupid bastards. And one of them like so they
• 44:26
  both straddled the shark. One of them had him by the the
• 44:31
  the nose, I guess. And then the other guy had him
• 44:34
  by the dorsal. And they were like trying to get
• 44:37
  this picture. But yeah, go on.
• 44:39
  Sorry. Yeah, but the guy behind he made
• 44:42
  he made the stupid mistake of he hadn't grabbed by the dorsal and
• 44:45
  the tail and then he let go of the tail and the shark got like
• 44:50
  he was got he got mobile quick and he was able to like.
• 44:53
  These. Idiots don't know how fucking
• 44:55
  agile the shark is. Like the shark?
• 44:58
  Turned like he can. They can almost like slinky
• 45:02
  themselves into, yeah, into hat like they can.
• 45:05
  They can fold themselves in half.
• 45:06
  Yeah, Shaq turned around, got your man's leg and took a
• 45:10
  fucking bite out, dude like you. Can you?
• 45:12
  Literally. See the shape of the shark's
• 45:14
  mouth? Yeah, yeah.
• 45:15
  Within. Like it took a split second and
• 45:19
  he had him to the bone, took his whole like calf and back of the
• 45:22
  knee off. Yeah, and you can.
• 45:24
  And you can see it on the video as well.
• 45:25
  And then like one of the guys was still trying to film the
• 45:29
  shark and then everyone, no, we have to fucking go.
• 45:32
  We have to go. And like literally I think it
• 45:34
  was because it happened so fast, that guy, I don't think he
• 45:37
  clocked it. The guy who's filming, I don't
• 45:39
  think he immediately clocked what happened because literally
• 45:42
  it was just like. Because it was so fast that like
• 45:44
  he was just, yeah. Yeah.
• 45:45
  And he was like the next minute it's like he's down and he's on
• 45:49
  the sand in the in, like in the surf.
• 45:51
  And then he's got like a whole fucking chunk out of his leg
• 45:54
  gone and it's like, it's a bull shark, which bull sharks can
• 45:57
  fuck you up, but they're not. They don't go for humans.
• 46:01
  They don't, you know what I mean?
• 46:02
  They have like. Like if it was in, if they were
• 46:05
  in the water, that shark would like to probably come up to have
• 46:09
  a have a look at you to see what you are, but would fuck off,
• 46:11
  wouldn't fuck with you. Yeah, but like, you fuck with a
• 46:14
  shark. Yeah.
• 46:15
  So you got big. You.
• 46:16
  Are the predator in that in that instance, like and it's it's
• 46:20
  fucking ridiculous. I was like, you see, like I keep
• 46:22
  seeing these videos and stuff like people are going out and
• 46:24
  they're dying from a great whites and whatever.
• 46:26
  And there's a guy that I follow on TikTok, his name it's Scoopa
• 46:30
  Steve, which is really funny because he's like just dies or
• 46:36
  sharks all the time and he's just like, Oh, like obviously,
• 46:39
  like don't fucking do it. I'm not sure the experience, but
• 46:42
  and like he was out when you swimming and there was like a
• 46:44
  great white just swam right at him and he just like moved it
• 46:50
  because sharks are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:53
  And like he just kind of like, OK.
• 46:55
  And like, just like went about his business.
• 46:58
  Just like. They're that like they are easy
• 47:01
  when you are a fucking fully qualified trained expert on
• 47:05
  diving and sharks. They're fine.
• 47:08
  And like you see all these videos and like they're petting
• 47:10
  the sharks and they're doing whatever like because they're
• 47:13
  not going to go for it. Like it's a whole thing like
• 47:17
  orcas even. Who did you see the whole thing
• 47:19
  about? I'm sorry, this is AC podcast.
• 47:26
  The whole thing where there's humpback whales that are like.
• 47:30
  In Sperm whales are fucking killer whales.
• 47:32
  Yeah, yeah, they're they're interrupting the the hunt and
• 47:36
  it's like it's humpback whales. But they've been doing that for
• 47:39
  years. This is, this isn't a new thing
• 47:41
  like people have just obviously because it's, yeah, it's,
• 47:46
  there's more footage of it now, but like it's for years people
• 47:49
  have been talking about sperm whales for reasons no one can
• 47:53
  really kind of guess. They've just been fucking killer
• 47:55
  whales. But I think it's, yes, they
• 47:59
  it's, I think it's, it's mostly the humpbacks actually that are
• 48:02
  doing. It's not sperm whales.
• 48:03
  Sperm whales are the fucking deep dive.
• 48:05
  Yeah. So it's the sorry, it's the
• 48:06
  humpback whales that are. Fucking with them.
• 48:08
  Yeah, the veggie whales. Yeah, they're like, literally.
• 48:10
  Interjecting. But if you've ever seen them,
• 48:13
  there's videos out there of orcas they started hunting a
• 48:17
  fucking a blue whale baby that got separated from.
• 48:22
  Yeah. From it's mother and the fucking
• 48:26
  the what's it called the the humpbacks came along and rescued
• 48:29
  it and brought it back like they found the mother.
• 48:32
  And they? Were they were insane?
• 48:34
  They as they were, they formed like basically.
• 48:37
  So there was like 1 in front, 2 on either side and one at the
• 48:41
  back of this little baby calf. Just making sure nothing got to
• 48:44
  it. Like a proper barrier.
• 48:45
  And they? Were doing it and the orcas have
• 48:48
  no kind of answer for it. Yeah.
• 48:50
  Just doing it with seals, if they like catch it happening,
• 48:54
  they just fucking barge in and do it.
• 48:56
  I think there was like a. I've seen it like they've
• 48:59
  they've brought seals, they've brought like they've carried
• 49:02
  seals to, to like ice heads. Yeah.
• 49:05
  And like, yeah, it's crazy mental.
• 49:08
  And I think it's just like the whole the whole whale community,
• 49:11
  it's just like they don't speak for us.
• 49:15
  Like, well, technically, technically killer whales are
• 49:19
  just the largest dolphins. So like, whales are probably
• 49:22
  like, fuck these cessations. I think that's what they're
• 49:25
  called in dissertations. The ones that fucking eat fish.
• 49:27
  I think so. But anyways, yeah.
• 49:29
  But like he's I saw like this thing in.
• 49:32
  I've been to a whale museum in Iceland.
• 49:34
  I. Love whales so much, they're
• 49:35
  great. Where?
• 49:43
  Do you live? There zero stars.
• 49:46
  Fuck you, 0 stars. Life star word play, Suck my
• 49:50
  Dick, my Moby Dick. I think what are we doing?
• 50:14
  Right. So this is going to make you,
• 50:17
  oh, we're talking about whales fish.
• 50:19
  We're talking about Albert Fish. Albert.
• 50:23
  Fish. There we go, there's the link.
• 50:32
  This is a really sad story. This man is fucking horrendous
• 50:42
  human. Being right up on him.
• 50:46
  I've I've done some, I've done some last minute research.
• 50:49
  The thing about this fella is he's probably the worst cunt
• 50:55
  that's ever walked the Earth. But because it's in a time where
• 50:58
  there isn't a lot of like you, you, you don't know to the
• 51:04
  extent of everything that he's done.
• 51:06
  You just like you've got the stories that come from the
• 51:09
  victims that are known of and the stuff that he'd said
• 51:12
  himself. Yeah.
• 51:13
  So it's a which? Is kind of fucked.
• 51:15
  Yeah, early 1800s. No, sorry the late.
• 51:23
  Yeah. So Albert Fish is what we're
• 51:27
  talking about. You've probably heard of him
• 51:30
  indirectly because he's inspired a lot of Hollywood movies, TV
• 51:35
  shows, things like that. He is a disgusting, awful man.
• 51:41
  So I'm just going to get straight into it.
• 51:43
  I've made a bunch of notes, so if it sounds like I'm like
• 51:46
  reading aloud, I am because these are my notes.
• 51:50
  So he was born in 1870 in Washington, DC, and he was the
• 51:56
  youngest of five children born to Ellen and Randall Fish.
• 52:02
  He actually wasn't even born Albert Fish.
• 52:06
  His given name was Hamilton Howard Fish, but his brother was
• 52:11
  Albert. And his brother had died
• 52:13
  suddenly and he changed it because he was getting bullied
• 52:17
  because everyone would call him ham and eggs.
• 52:21
  Yeah, the. Worst.
• 52:23
  Possible thing you could call a kid at the fucking time.
• 52:27
  Yeah, I think a ham and eggs bag of being a ham and egger back in
• 52:30
  the in the day wasn't a great, wasn't a great insult.
• 52:33
  But it seems that this fella emotion emotional pain, he
• 52:40
  didn't like physical pain wasn't too bad, but like emotional pain
• 52:45
  was what fucked him up. Yeah.
• 52:47
  Basically, so Randall, Albert's father, he was 75 years old when
• 52:54
  Albert was born and his mom was 32, so they had a 43 year age
• 53:00
  gap. And so by the time Albert had
• 53:05
  turned 5, his dad died, which left Ellen kind of alone with
• 53:10
  the kids. With a bunch of kids, yeah.
• 53:15
  So he, she was already struggling with her mental
• 53:17
  health and then she reportedly kind of was suffering from like,
• 53:21
  hallucinations and paranoia. She'd just fucking, she'd hurt
• 53:27
  herself, she'd hurt the kids. So she just couldn't cope.
• 53:31
  There was a a bunch of a bunch of mental illness in the family.
• 53:36
  Really though, isn't it? Like I think.
• 53:38
  A lot of it. His so like I think he had an
• 53:41
  uncle that was he suffered from fucking the the same kind of so
• 53:46
  on his mother's side, on the on the mother's side, there was
• 53:49
  kind of a lot of shitty mental health issues.
• 53:53
  And then his I think one of his sisters was committed and his
• 53:57
  brother was committed later in life as well.
• 54:00
  Well, again, it comes down to what we're talking about with
• 54:02
  with Ricky, Ricky Ramirez. Is it like is this nature or
• 54:08
  nurture kind of a thing? Remember, we were kind of going
• 54:10
  through that kind of stuff because like he had he had like
• 54:13
  a bunch of fucked up circumstances that kind of led
• 54:15
  him down the fucking Rd. of what way he is the like to get into
• 54:21
  the mental health problems were kind of in the family.
• 54:25
  But also like, as you're probably going to explain now is
• 54:29
  like how the actual circle circumstances of how his life
• 54:35
  kind of unfolded in front of him as well were kind of fucked up.
• 54:38
  So again, it's the same. I just think it's there's
• 54:40
  parallels there between him and Ramirez.
• 54:43
  The light soccer when we were talking about him of is it, was
• 54:48
  it in him already or did the circumstances throughout life
• 54:51
  kind of fuck him up even more? So the the one.
• 54:54
  Thing that I will say is that it's always been reported that
• 54:58
  he was perfectly safe and happy and fine in his family life.
• 55:05
  Like there was no abuse as far as I could uncover from his dad
• 55:10
  or his mom. The abuse started when he went
• 55:13
  to the orphanage, so at OR. So, yeah, so when his when his
• 55:17
  dad died, he was about, he was only 5, Yeah.
• 55:21
  And his mother couldn't take care.
• 55:23
  So she committed the all the kids to to to the orphanage.
• 55:27
  Yeah, yeah. Right, let's.
• 55:29
  So let's. Let's jump back into it.
• 55:31
  This. Orphanage that was St.
• 55:34
  John's in Washington, DC was ran by nuns.
• 55:39
  He was beaten pretty much daily now.
• 55:41
  So this orphanage as well, it's been kind of a highlight for one
• 55:47
  of the most. It was, it was a really, really,
• 55:49
  it's a famous case that a kid was thrown out a window by a nun
• 55:56
  and was killed. And then there was another kid
• 55:59
  that just basically had succumbed to a beating from the
• 56:02
  nuns and died. So this orphanage is, it's not a
• 56:06
  good place like orphanages in the 1800s, like probably not a
• 56:11
  good place anyway, but this. Yeah, American orphanages in the
• 56:14
  1800s just sound like Irish schools in the 1950s.
• 56:19
  Oh yeah. Oh.
• 56:20
  One child got thrown out a window.
• 56:24
  You're you're just. Like you're ma, you can't take a
• 56:27
  punch. Always with the babies out the
• 56:33
  windows. So yeah, basically.
• 56:36
  So he was beaten almost daily by the nuns and by the other kids
• 56:42
  like he was. He was bullied but the nuns were
• 56:46
  bastards so they would often strip him naked and whip him and
• 56:55
  like in front of other kids. Like they did this not just to
• 56:57
  him but to to every other kid. It was it was humiliation
• 57:02
  rituals as well with the with the nuns.
• 57:04
  Wasn't it like that what they used to do to the kids is like?
• 57:07
  Yeah. Yeah, so they what what they
• 57:10
  were doing in this orphanage or like probably around the fucking
• 57:13
  world, as the the Catholics were, they would pick a child.
• 57:18
  I don't know whether it's the it's the same child all the
• 57:21
  time, but what they'll do is they'll have all the other kids
• 57:25
  mock the kid that is getting the shit kicked out of him as well.
• 57:28
  Like, so they'll, you know, it's not just enough to be physically
• 57:34
  abusive. You have to kind of really fuck
• 57:35
  with their brains as well, like. Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:37
  You have to destroy them, like fucking for life, basically.
• 57:42
  But here is where things kind of started to twist.
• 57:46
  So Albert said that lately, over like that later, over time.
• 57:52
  Sorry, he kind of started to enjoy the pain and the
• 57:58
  humiliation side of things to the point where when they were
• 58:03
  beating the shit out of him in front of everyone else, he would
• 58:06
  fully just come. Like he would just have an
• 58:09
  orgasm. Yeah, he was.
• 58:10
  He was getting, he was getting boners.
• 58:13
  And then they would they beat him harder because he was
• 58:17
  getting, he was getting erections.
• 58:20
  Yeah, Yeah. And turns out he finally got
• 58:22
  into. It they would beat him until
• 58:24
  like he like came. That would only get worse and
• 58:27
  worse as he got older. So by the time he left the
• 58:33
  orphanage, he was 10. So his mom basically like she,
• 58:38
  she got her shit together and she was like cool, like I'm
• 58:42
  fine, I've sought help. I want all my kids back.
• 58:44
  So she took them all back. He was 10 at the time and, and
• 58:50
  his behavior was already like really fucking weird.
• 58:52
  So like he'd burn himself with ropes, like just literally just
• 58:57
  chafe his arms and legs with ropes.
• 58:59
  And then he would swallow needles for whatever, just for
• 59:04
  the crap, like do you know what I mean?
• 59:06
  Whatever. Once he got home, then he like
• 59:11
  had a small friend group. He had one best friend.
• 59:13
  They would hang out together and they were both as fucked up as
• 59:17
  each other because they would, they would do this together.
• 59:24
  They would drink their own piss and each other's piss and then
• 59:29
  eat each other's shit and eat their own shit.
• 59:33
  This. Weirdly seems to be a common
• 59:37
  theme amongst serial killers, especially in younger life, that
• 59:44
  they eat their own shit. I don't know what the fuck it is
• 59:47
  about about that, but they do tend to do that.
• 59:52
  I've I've seen it crop up so many times over the years and
• 59:56
  I'm like researching for the other podcasts and stuff but
• 59:59
  apparently eating their own shit.
• 1:00:01
  Is a is a thing? I had a French bulldog that used
• 1:00:04
  to do that, but like I've. Never.
• 1:00:07
  Heard of a person that used to do it.
• 1:00:11
  Like my my dog used to eat the cats shit.
• 1:00:15
  I think, yeah. I don't know why that was.
• 1:00:17
  It's just, it's it's just, it's bad.
• 1:00:20
  But anyway. So as a teenager then I.
• 1:00:23
  Don't think, but I don't think. My dog is a serial killer by the
• 1:00:25
  way. I did that.
• 1:00:28
  I don't know. Hope those eyes, those those
• 1:00:30
  seem those dead she. Seems too sweet.
• 1:00:35
  So. She doesn't have dead shadows.
• 1:00:36
  In Spanish. Get that back.
• 1:00:38
  She's. Beautiful brown, she's golden
• 1:00:40
  brown she's. Beautiful.
• 1:00:42
  So as a teenager then he spent his time around public pools and
• 1:00:46
  bath houses, but not for swimming.
• 1:00:50
  Basically he went there to perv on people.
• 1:00:52
  He said that he went there because he loved the sound and
• 1:00:59
  smell of men bathing. Wasn't it that he he was saying
• 1:01:04
  as well that he liked to watch, just watch them undress?
• 1:01:08
  He liked to see people looking vulnerable.
• 1:01:11
  I think as well, the way he was kind of describing it was like
• 1:01:14
  when people were naked, they were at their most vulnerable.
• 1:01:17
  He he, that's, that's what kind of did it for him.
• 1:01:21
  So he obviously this basically this, this really did hint at
• 1:01:26
  the way his mind was developing because he was still only a kid
• 1:01:29
  at this point. So he then got a job in the
• 1:01:35
  bathhouse. I say got a job he hooked in in
• 1:01:39
  the bathhouse. So he was basically a sex worker
• 1:01:42
  from the age of 12, catering to. These have they?
• 1:01:49
  Have they moved to New York at this stage?
• 1:01:52
  No. Or is this still in DC?
• 1:01:54
  Oh, no, no, no, sorry. Yeah, they have.
• 1:01:56
  They're in New York. He's the White House in New
• 1:01:57
  York. OK, right.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah, yeah. So his, his mother ended up
• 1:02:01
  getting a job after a couple of years.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah. And got him back.
• 1:02:06
  So he was out of the. He was out of the orphanage.
• 1:02:09
  He came out of the orphanage and.
• 1:02:11
  He was back, yeah. OK, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:13
  So I was a few years, yeah. He came back out of the
• 1:02:15
  orphanage and then he went kind of straight into sex work from
• 1:02:19
  there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, 2 Within two years he was like hooking, basically.
• 1:02:27
  But it didn't seem like it didn't seem like it was kind of
• 1:02:31
  he was doing it out of necessity.
• 1:02:32
  I think like he, it was the perversions that have kind of
• 1:02:37
  that grew within him was kind of what forced him.
• 1:02:39
  He was, he was at the bath houses and stuff all the time.
• 1:02:42
  And I think it just got to a point where they just were like,
• 1:02:45
  do you want to work here kind of kind of situation.
• 1:02:52
  I think he. Was like essentially a towel boy
• 1:02:55
  but also a towel boy, if you know what I mean.
• 1:02:59
  Like. OK, Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, you know that kind of way. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  So during this time then he also discovered a new little fetish,
• 1:03:08
  which is. And I've told you this and this
• 1:03:11
  morning and then. He.
• 1:03:14
  Loved newspaper classified ads, right?
• 1:03:20
  So like basically it's like women would post looking for
• 1:03:24
  like marriage prospects and things like this because like at
• 1:03:28
  that time in the 1800s, So it would be like fucking shameful
• 1:03:33
  if you were not married past the age of 20 years, spinster.
• 1:03:37
  No one wants to look at you. It's your disappointment to your
• 1:03:39
  family, like all this kind of stuff.
• 1:03:42
  And so it will be women like posting on the in the newspaper
• 1:03:46
  to be like looking for a man to marry, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:03:49
  Or like it would even in some cases be the parents being like,
• 1:03:52
  we have a homely daughter that has a humpback, but she's got a
• 1:03:56
  great personality kind of thing. And he used to really like,
• 1:04:02
  like, I guess it was like the 1800s equivalent of prank
• 1:04:06
  calling because he would write these letters to these women and
• 1:04:09
  they wouldn't be like, you know, I would love to it.
• 1:04:12
  Would be like just graphic. Disgusting, filthy things that
• 1:04:16
  he was. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:17
  In these ladders, these women. So these, there's a few of them
• 1:04:20
  that had gone up on auction a couple of years ago and I had
• 1:04:25
  bid on a couple of them and got outbid, but I was like.
• 1:04:31
  Very on brand. To have like, just to see, I
• 1:04:34
  just love like, so it's not like I just love to see how these
• 1:04:37
  people's minds work. And like I have a couple of
• 1:04:40
  letters. To.
• 1:04:42
  Read out to you in the podcast and you'll see how this man
• 1:04:46
  writes. It's really interesting.
• 1:04:49
  But anyway, so newspaper classifieds, blah blah,
• 1:04:54
  whatever. He was doing that.
• 1:04:55
  So when he got to his 20s, he was deeply immersed in unhealthy
• 1:05:00
  behaviour. At the age of 24, he met a
• 1:05:05
  ship's captain named John Davis. So he met John at the docks.
• 1:05:10
  So he was working as a sex worker at the time and he went
• 1:05:14
  into the docks. Yeah, you're like, what?
• 1:05:15
  What's what's that guy doing down at the docks?
• 1:05:17
  Yeah, it's it's it's a good place to to meet a client or
• 1:05:21
  two. And this is where he met Captain
• 1:05:25
  John Davis. So John Davis had sales all over
• 1:05:30
  the world. And he had told Albert some like
• 1:05:35
  really disturbing, disgusting stories from his time in China
• 1:05:41
  during the famine. So now the famine in China.
• 1:05:45
  So there was an estimated 13 million people had died in the
• 1:05:49
  famine in China. And it got to a point where it
• 1:05:53
  was so desperate and awful that people were selling their
• 1:05:58
  children to be meat basically. And so Davis told Albert that he
• 1:06:07
  had tasted this human meat and that the best meat he's ever
• 1:06:12
  tasted, the most tasty meat he's ever tasted, is a child's arse.
• 1:06:18
  Human child, yeah. That is.
• 1:06:21
  Yeah, the arse of human child, which is like, that's fucked,
• 1:06:25
  it's so fucked up. But the guy was kind of bragging
• 1:06:28
  about it. But like, here's my here's my
• 1:06:32
  thing. Like what?
• 1:06:33
  What was the conversation that they must have had to get into
• 1:06:37
  that? You know, like when when you say
• 1:06:40
  like you're you're easing your way into like letting people
• 1:06:44
  know what you're into or letting people are like seeing what you
• 1:06:49
  know, that the kind of thing. But like Albert obviously was
• 1:06:55
  like he was fucked up. He he was obviously having some
• 1:06:57
  serious kind of issues with like his own weird kinks that seemed
• 1:07:04
  to like by the year kind of escalate, like when it came to a
• 1:07:09
  kind of self mutilation, then mutilation of others like that
• 1:07:12
  kind of like self flagellation, that kind of stuff.
• 1:07:15
  But then to get into like, you know, at what stage do you say
• 1:07:19
  like, and what's your fucked up thing to Captain Hooble like,
• 1:07:23
  like, and how you'd feel safe to be like?
• 1:07:25
  Do you know what my thing is? Actually?
• 1:07:27
  It's cannibalism. Like it's kind of where, how,
• 1:07:31
  what, how do these people meet and how do they spark up that
• 1:07:36
  conversation, you know? So just to pull it back to
• 1:07:41
  Robert Mosley, I think I've talked about him before on the
• 1:07:44
  podcast, the the Brain Eater who's like locked up in right
• 1:07:51
  now. So he was shagging this guy who
• 1:07:56
  was like a regular client of his and then he was like, oh, like,
• 1:08:00
  I wouldn't take you away from all of this.
• 1:08:02
  Like just like just shag me. And then like randomly presented
• 1:08:07
  him photos of him abusing little boys.
• 1:08:10
  And that's when like mausi like lost it and fucking freaked the
• 1:08:13
  fuck out and killed him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:15
  So. It's like this kind of thing,
• 1:08:17
  whereas I, I guess it might have been that kind of thing where,
• 1:08:20
  yeah, it probably was a little bit of a shock, but then he was
• 1:08:23
  like, I'm into it, you know, like he it it's it kind of went
• 1:08:29
  the opposite route of Maudsley where he was just, yes, let me
• 1:08:33
  know more about this. Let me dive so deep into this.
• 1:08:36
  Like, I want to eat kid arse. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:38
  Like. That kind of fucking.
• 1:08:40
  Horrible shit because he he's a disgusting fucking man and we'll
• 1:08:44
  get more into that, but anyway, so.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah, let's just say just to me, it's baffling to me.
• 1:08:50
  It like again, we'll get into what he gets into, but like,
• 1:08:56
  it's just baffling to me that like you'd be that open.
• 1:08:58
  Like I, I figured that I'm a fairly open person, but like,
• 1:09:03
  if, if you'd have like, if you would have something that would
• 1:09:07
  be so shameful or something that would like kind of get you in
• 1:09:11
  trouble as well, like, you know. Fucking even.
• 1:09:13
  Cannibalism or whatever fish was in there as well.
• 1:09:17
  Like the kind of stuff that he was into was very illegal.
• 1:09:19
  So like, how do you open up to someone about that?
• 1:09:22
  It's just, it's just interesting to me how these people find each
• 1:09:24
  other, I suppose. But.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah. Again, and I mean like, if
• 1:09:27
  you're so he must have been like, I know they called him
• 1:09:32
  like John's at that time. He must have been like a regular
• 1:09:37
  John, that they had a relationship, that they could
• 1:09:43
  start talking. About it.
• 1:09:44
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Actually, how do you say that If if, if Fish was a John No.
• 1:09:51
  And this captain? This is the hooker, the the the
• 1:09:54
  client would be the. Oh, sorry.
• 1:09:56
  Yeah, if if sorry if Fish was a hooker.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah. And sorry the captain was the
• 1:10:00
  John. Sorry.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah, my bad. You're deadly.
• 1:10:02
  And if that was the case, then what would would kind of would
• 1:10:08
  fish be like, OK, what kind of stuff are you into?
• 1:10:10
  Because here's what I can do for you.
• 1:10:13
  Because he was into the whole being abused thing.
• 1:10:17
  Like he got it. Like he got a boner from getting
• 1:10:20
  beaten up. And he was apparently he was, he
• 1:10:23
  was actually able to show off that he was able to take pins up
• 1:10:26
  his fucking. He used to shove pins into his
• 1:10:30
  fingernails to show off how much pain he could take.
• 1:10:33
  I wonder at that stage was he doing, was he was he kind of
• 1:10:37
  doing that for the good? Like, guess what I can do like,
• 1:10:39
  you know, you can fucking, you can beat the shit out of me, do
• 1:10:41
  whatever you want, choke me fucking, you know, whatever you
• 1:10:44
  want. It'll only actually make me
• 1:10:45
  fucking harder. You know, that that kind of
• 1:10:48
  thing. So maybe maybe, yeah.
• 1:10:51
  So maybe that's how it went. Maybe it's like a little bit of
• 1:10:53
  1 upsmanship. It was like, I'll tell you what
• 1:10:55
  I'm into and then fucking turns out, yeah, well, I've eaten some
• 1:10:59
  Chinese kids ass like that's that's.
• 1:11:01
  A good. Point then like.
• 1:11:02
  There are like a lot of a lot of people who think that that was
• 1:11:07
  just literary flex that it was like made-up because it does
• 1:11:11
  sound really made-up like, but yeah, I mean, but again, you
• 1:11:17
  don't like when people are that desperate and damn when they're
• 1:11:20
  fucking looking starving, like you don't know what people are
• 1:11:22
  going to do in a fucking, you know, in that in that time.
• 1:11:27
  But anyway, so yeah, like it's that's where he kind of became
• 1:11:32
  then fascinated with the idea of cannibalism, which is great.
• 1:11:38
  Thanks. Thanks to fucking.
• 1:11:42
  That's Captain Bastard. Yeah, Well, well done.
• 1:11:47
  So instead of being horrified, then he obviously became
• 1:11:50
  fascinated. He started reading everything
• 1:11:53
  that he could about violent crimes, cannibalism, murder,
• 1:11:58
  like, just just everything. Like he just just wanted to know
• 1:12:04
  every group. And except, like, I say this,
• 1:12:07
  right, You might call me insane because I love reading up on
• 1:12:10
  true crime. Fucking horrific, disgusting
• 1:12:13
  stuff. It's because I have a morbid
• 1:12:15
  fascination with it. As in, I don't understand how
• 1:12:20
  the human brain can work that way.
• 1:12:22
  But Albert was so interested in it to get ideas.
• 1:12:27
  It was basically like, this is how my brain works.
• 1:12:30
  There's things I've never even thought about.
• 1:12:32
  You know what I mean? Like there are so many people
• 1:12:34
  that are exclusive. Crime.
• 1:12:36
  He was looking, Yeah. He, he always seemed like he
• 1:12:39
  wanted the next kind of sick thing to like he could he.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah. He'd be like you're you're
• 1:12:48
  looking, you're looking at this stuff as because, like, you're
• 1:12:50
  fascinated by fucking serial killers and stuff like that.
• 1:12:52
  He was, he was inquisitive about what he can do to make himself
• 1:12:57
  more degraded. It actually did seem like it
• 1:13:00
  was. The further on life went, the
• 1:13:04
  more bored he got with the stuff that would sick.
• 1:13:07
  And also, yeah, so he kind of, he needed the next kind of
• 1:13:11
  fucked up thing to come into his life.
• 1:13:14
  Yeah. But it's a it's a thing as well.
• 1:13:16
  And I know it's especially, I think it's more common among
• 1:13:19
  women to like true crime and to to be into whatever and then to
• 1:13:25
  have absolutely No Fear watching these things.
• 1:13:28
  But then having a fear at like a horror movie where it's like a
• 1:13:31
  fucking ghost or whatever. It's genuinely and I, I think
• 1:13:36
  it's a good thing like that women especially like men
• 1:13:41
  obviously as well, but women especially educate themselves on
• 1:13:46
  these kind of things, these kind of murderers, these kind of
• 1:13:48
  horrible fucking people that are out there.
• 1:13:51
  Again, not just men like hard, there's horrible people.
• 1:13:56
  If you have to go out and you have to like be hyper vigilant
• 1:13:59
  if you have to fucking, that's a small price to pay if you know
• 1:14:04
  what to look out for. If there's something that say
• 1:14:06
  you've seen in like a documentary that's like this
• 1:14:10
  person like did this, this and this and they turned down this
• 1:14:12
  alleyway and they did this. And like, if you're, if you're
• 1:14:15
  scared in your brain, good, because that means your brain is
• 1:14:18
  doing the right thing. And if you're watching this kind
• 1:14:20
  of shit and you're like, fuck, like there's been so many cases
• 1:14:24
  that like, maybe, you know, I might be like overly paranoid
• 1:14:27
  sometimes when I'm walking alone at night, like there's probably
• 1:14:31
  a guy walking behind me with his fucking earphones in, isn't he
• 1:14:35
  doesn't even know I'm there. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:36
  Just fucking not paying attention to the world, just
• 1:14:39
  trying to get home. It's not a bad thing to still
• 1:14:43
  just be so hyper fucking like vigilant that you get home safe.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah, yeah. It's like safe than sorry kind
• 1:14:49
  of thing. Like, I see it all the time.
• 1:14:50
  Like if I'm, if I'm walking at night, I'm more an early bird
• 1:14:55
  these days. But like, you know, I know I've
• 1:14:57
  seen it when I'm walking at night.
• 1:14:58
  A woman would cross the street to avoid being on the same side
• 1:15:01
  of the road as me. Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  I don't take it personally. No, I take it.
• 1:15:04
  I take it as. She's.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah, I just take it as yeah, fucking yeah.
• 1:15:09
  She's she's keeping herself safe.
• 1:15:11
  And like I said, I'm not going to be like.
• 1:15:13
  There's probably like, you know, I mean people who don't even
• 1:15:15
  fucking know this shit that, you know, they're just walking,
• 1:15:19
  they're doing their everyday thing because like they're not
• 1:15:21
  fucking planning on attacking you.
• 1:15:22
  Like they're you're not even thinking.
• 1:15:24
  They're just like, oh, there's another person here.
• 1:15:27
  Like there's been so many times I'm walking home, I've got my
• 1:15:29
  earphones and I've got my music. I don't even look like I'm just,
• 1:15:33
  I'm walking home. I listen to my music.
• 1:15:35
  I'm in my own head and it's like, yeah, you, you should be
• 1:15:41
  fucking vigilant and whatever. I remember my mom always telling
• 1:15:43
  me like even when like she didn't have fucking an iPod and
• 1:15:48
  her day. But generally just like, oh, if
• 1:15:51
  you're walking home, like can you please not put your
• 1:15:53
  earphones in? And I'm like, yeah, you know
• 1:15:56
  what I mean? That kind of thing.
• 1:15:57
  Like, you know, if you're going out and it's somewhere, walk
• 1:16:00
  down the street wherever you can see everything.
• 1:16:02
  But when it's dark, can you please not have your phones in?
• 1:16:04
  And like, I get that. I understand that.
• 1:16:06
  And it's as time goes on now, I think women are getting more and
• 1:16:10
  more to the point where they're just, they're not going to do
• 1:16:13
  that. That's not a hurdle thing.
• 1:16:14
  Like even if I had to go to the Spire, which is like a 5 minute
• 1:16:18
  walk from here, no way am I putting my earphones in.
• 1:16:22
  I'm like hyper fucking like my keys in my hands.
• 1:16:27
  And you know what I mean? Back in those days, like it
• 1:16:31
  wasn't a thing. It was just you just went out
• 1:16:34
  wondering. You didn't fucking everyone just
• 1:16:37
  kind of trusted everyone thinking you hear like the
• 1:16:40
  Ramirez story that we covered, like the neighborhoods that he
• 1:16:43
  targeted were so trusting that they these people didn't even
• 1:16:46
  lock their doors half the time. So he wasn't even.
• 1:16:50
  Even when they were hearing that there was a serial killer out
• 1:16:53
  there, they were just like, yeah, but it's not going to,
• 1:16:55
  it's not going to happen to us. Wouldn't happen to us, exactly.
• 1:16:57
  And they're just like, that just happens, you know, in it's very
• 1:17:01
  fucking real. And this, this is the thing.
• 1:17:03
  Like it's someone like he didn't ever, it never entered into his
• 1:17:09
  mind to do these things until he came across this man who had
• 1:17:13
  allegedly done these things. Which anyway, so basically in
• 1:17:20
  1898, I can't even imagine this. This is so funny.
• 1:17:24
  He was 28 and his mother had arranged a marriage for him with
• 1:17:30
  a woman named Anna. To have like 6 kids right?
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, 6 kids. So he was, he was gay.
• 1:17:37
  Like he was fully gay. So.
• 1:17:39
  This is what this is what I'm thinking like is, is like he
• 1:17:43
  they used to talk about like how he had to ramp up his sexual
• 1:17:48
  kind of, you know, proclivities, his weird.
• 1:17:52
  Yeah. Sexual.
• 1:17:53
  Fucking yeah. But like, but but what I'm
• 1:17:56
  wondering there is like if he's gay and he is like fucking call
• 1:18:02
  boy who can't really fucking get it up unless he's got the shit
• 1:18:06
  kicked out of him. These six kids like fucking man
• 1:18:10
  like you know, so he had a kind of a normal enough sex life as
• 1:18:14
  well as it. Kind of.
• 1:18:15
  Reminds me of Right so Ian Watkins of Lost Prophets, who
• 1:18:21
  was sent to prison for tall corn, basically the lightest way
• 1:18:28
  I can put it, he had gone, he had undergone like a psychiatric
• 1:18:35
  test. And that test had showed that it
• 1:18:39
  wasn't exclusively just children, it was an overall sex
• 1:18:46
  addiction. So it was animals, old people,
• 1:18:50
  it was like dead people. It was just anything sexual.
• 1:18:54
  His brain was focused like hit. He would get hired from it, not
• 1:19:01
  exclusively like I mean they and they showed him anything from
• 1:19:05
  like newborns to corpses and he was getting hired for it.
• 1:19:09
  So I think he was that kind of deprived like that, that level
• 1:19:15
  of fucked up, right? Yes, Yeah, OK, right.
• 1:19:18
  So anything, anything sexual would just.
• 1:19:21
  Do anything that. He deems.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah. Yeah, OK.
• 1:19:25
  And and that's that's kind of where his brain was.
• 1:19:28
  So he married her at 28, got a steady job, then had the six
• 1:19:33
  kids. So from the outside, he did look
• 1:19:35
  like disrespectful husband and father.
• 1:19:39
  Now, like I, I will get into this at the end as well, but
• 1:19:45
  always apparently a great father, very supportive and
• 1:19:49
  respectful of his kids, like his kids had even come forward and
• 1:19:52
  been like the. Kids said yeah, the kids said
• 1:19:54
  he's never, never diddled them or hurt them or not.
• 1:19:57
  They said he'd always. Whatever he did to himself.
• 1:19:59
  Was different but like he they basically.
• 1:20:01
  Described him as kooky, but a great father and giving and
• 1:20:06
  loving and whatever. Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  So anyway, from the outside it looked like a great husband
• 1:20:15
  father, but behind the scenes his darker behaviours did
• 1:20:18
  continue. He was arrested for fraud and
• 1:20:21
  other petty crimes, so he hadn't done anything kind of like huge
• 1:20:25
  at this point and he did short stints in jail.
• 1:20:30
  But he wasn't. He wasn't caught for anything
• 1:20:32
  huge at that. Point at that point yeah but
• 1:20:34
  what he. Wanted.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, we, we kind of don't really know what he's been into.
• 1:20:37
  Exactly. At that point he was just kind
• 1:20:40
  of like he would like little robberies, frauds, things like
• 1:20:44
  that that would land him in for a couple of months at a time and
• 1:20:47
  then he'd be out, right. So during this period, after
• 1:20:52
  he'd kind of been caught for other things, he began sexually
• 1:20:59
  assaulting people. So he would target kind of
• 1:21:07
  vulnerable people. So he would choose victims that
• 1:21:11
  he believed either a would not be missed.
• 1:21:15
  It's like the poor people of colour.
• 1:21:19
  That's, yeah, mental health. Black kids, yeah.
• 1:21:26
  He can say he he said he, he said that the when it came to
• 1:21:31
  like who, who would be looked for, he kind of went for people
• 1:21:36
  with intellectual disabilities, poor people and black people.
• 1:21:39
  And it's like, you know, it's true.
• 1:21:42
  At the time, the cops wouldn't put any effort into.
• 1:21:44
  Looking for. Especially in New York.
• 1:21:47
  In New York City, they're just like, OK, yeah.
• 1:21:49
  They're not. They're not white American.
• 1:21:52
  Yeah. Yeah, even like.
• 1:21:54
  Physical disabilities, She's like this.
• 1:21:56
  Kids in a wheelchair want to wheel him right off.
• 1:21:58
  Like Jimmy, he was just. Literally.
• 1:22:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  I'm like, it got like at that time because people were so
• 1:22:04
  desperate and like fucking hard up for money.
• 1:22:07
  If your kid in a wheelchair went missing, you're probably going
• 1:22:10
  to be like, we don't have to pay for the fucking wheelchair
• 1:22:14
  anymore, you know what I mean? Like it's and it is like a
• 1:22:17
  desperate times. Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  It is fucked up. Well, it's kind of like his, his
• 1:22:23
  rationale was kind of on point at the time because there
• 1:22:28
  wouldn't, there wouldn't have been resources put into the
• 1:22:31
  people that he actually kind of targeted, which is again, as we
• 1:22:34
  say, people with disabilities and like people who weren't just
• 1:22:38
  white people from affluent families.
• 1:22:40
  That's kind of who he avoided, like, well, he'd go for black
• 1:22:44
  kids, intellectual disabilities, physical disabilities and the
• 1:22:47
  poor. At the time as well, he was
• 1:22:49
  working as a house painter, so it gave him access to a lot of
• 1:22:55
  people like Jimmy. And like if you have a disabled
• 1:22:57
  kid or whatever, you're going to leave them at home.
• 1:23:00
  You're going to be at work, the painter's going to be there and
• 1:23:02
  he would sadly like take advantage of the kids and stuff.
• 1:23:07
  Like there basically knew that the authorities, they wouldn't
• 1:23:12
  kind of investigate any of of these disappearances or
• 1:23:17
  whatever. They wouldn't do any of that
• 1:23:18
  like thoroughly so as it is. So by 1910, Albert claimed that
• 1:23:26
  he had escalated to extreme acts of violence, rape, torture and
• 1:23:31
  murder. Has has his wife left him at
• 1:23:33
  this stage? Not yet, Not yet.
• 1:23:36
  OK, Right, right. That's when it really ramps up.
• 1:23:39
  Earlier. So one case he described
• 1:23:46
  involved a young man of 19. I forget his name.
• 1:23:49
  Did you get his name? So, Danny, you're asking me a
• 1:23:54
  name and now that's a bingo card.
• 1:23:56
  I can't remember anybody's. Fucking I.
• 1:23:58
  Barely remember. Albert.
• 1:23:59
  So this 19 year old guy will say giant.
• 1:24:04
  Probably a common name. So.
• 1:24:07
  It was a 19 year old guy. He kept him isolated for like 2
• 1:24:13
  weeks, just over 2 weeks raping and he.
• 1:24:16
  He he had a relationship with this kid beforehand, though.
• 1:24:19
  Yeah. So like he he had struck up an
• 1:24:21
  actual kind of a a relationship where they were meeting up to
• 1:24:25
  have. I didn't know that.
• 1:24:28
  Yeah, no. So it before like it wasn't just
• 1:24:30
  this one off kind of an issue with, with this one kid that he
• 1:24:33
  met up with, but it kind of ramped the, the they were
• 1:24:41
  meeting up and they were doing this kind of stuff.
• 1:24:42
  And he, this was when he was after getting into, he met up
• 1:24:46
  with somebody else who kind of got him into mutilation And
• 1:24:52
  especially like some, someone brought him to a wax museum, one
• 1:24:59
  of these guys that he was on a date with wax.
• 1:25:01
  Museum like intricate detail. I love this.
• 1:25:04
  This is awesome. OK, yeah.
• 1:25:07
  So I don't know, like I looked up some stuff as well.
• 1:25:10
  So a guy brought him to a wax museum and they were having
• 1:25:13
  their, their, all their, their kisses and cutters.
• 1:25:15
  And my kisses and cutters. They were probably punching each
• 1:25:17
  other in the nuts. But they, they, he, he showed
• 1:25:22
  them the kind of, you know, like where in wax museums there'd be
• 1:25:26
  the House of horrors kind of a thing.
• 1:25:27
  And it showed this place where there was bodily mutilation,
• 1:25:34
  where, like, you know, they were cutting bodies up and stuff like
• 1:25:37
  that. And one part of it was penile
• 1:25:42
  mutilation where it showed a dissected penis who had for want
• 1:25:48
  of an erect penis that was dissected and and cut.
• 1:25:51
  And he kind of became. A little.
• 1:25:53
  Bit obsessed with this and this is.
• 1:25:55
  Yeah, I guess, I guess. This is so this is where he kind
• 1:25:59
  of he, he got this. So I think he lured this, this
• 1:26:03
  kid, this 19 year old kid who as we've said, like he has an
• 1:26:09
  intellectual disability. This, this one kid, he, he's the
• 1:26:12
  one that said this later in later years that the kid had
• 1:26:16
  intellectual disabilities. And that's when he he told the
• 1:26:20
  kid that they were going to go away for a couple of weeks, just
• 1:26:23
  just the two of them. And obviously he was sweet
• 1:26:28
  enough to the kid that they like.
• 1:26:30
  Again, we don't know how much of this particular story, how much
• 1:26:34
  of this is consensual, because the 19 year old kid kind of kept
• 1:26:40
  coming back. They apparently they did get
• 1:26:43
  into some stuff, some kind of graphic stuff.
• 1:26:46
  And Albert was into putting like pins into his own.
• 1:26:52
  Like you were talking about he was swallowing pins early in
• 1:26:54
  life. But like at this point he was at
• 1:26:56
  to get into a point where he actually liked putting pins into
• 1:26:58
  his yeah, into his balls. Like so he was, he was like his
• 1:27:03
  scrotum and his testicles were just like pins, pin cushions.
• 1:27:06
  But he was showing this 19 year old guy this apparently this is
• 1:27:10
  According to him before this kind of two week getaway that he
• 1:27:14
  he, he went on. So he was the two of them are
• 1:27:17
  into a little bit of like body kind of.
• 1:27:21
  Yeah. So like they were, they were
• 1:27:23
  already into that kind of thing beforehand.
• 1:27:25
  So the question is, did the guy know what he was getting himself
• 1:27:28
  into? Obviously not to the extent that
• 1:27:29
  you're obviously going to explain now, but like he, he, I
• 1:27:33
  think this kid was into a little bit of the same stuff, or at
• 1:27:37
  least he was getting the attention from Albert.
• 1:27:41
  So he was letting this stuff happen.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah. So basically.
• 1:27:45
  He. The way it's like written is
• 1:27:48
  that he kept him captive for two weeks, which again, as you've
• 1:27:52
  said, now, we don't know how willing that was or whatever,
• 1:27:56
  But at the end of it, he did cut off half of this guy's penis,
• 1:28:05
  poured peroxide onto the wound, and then, quote, kissed him
• 1:28:12
  goodbye. End Quote.
• 1:28:15
  So that was like his. Yeah, so did his His plan was to
• 1:28:19
  kill him. Yeah.
• 1:28:20
  But he, he was afraid that because it was in the summer and
• 1:28:25
  it was very hot, he actually got afraid that the smell would
• 1:28:29
  attract people. So he again, as you said, he
• 1:28:33
  just threw peroxide on the wound and kissed him.
• 1:28:37
  He kissed him goodbye. He gave him a tenor as well.
• 1:28:40
  He gave him $10 and then kissed him and left.
• 1:28:44
  And he describes the screams later in life that he said the
• 1:28:47
  best. Thing.
• 1:28:49
  He's. Ever heard?
• 1:28:51
  Yeah, one of the best, best things that ever enter his ears.
• 1:28:54
  But a scream of this kid. So 1912 then after nine years of
• 1:29:00
  marriage, Anna left Albert. Divorce at this time was really
• 1:29:05
  unusual. Like if you got married, you
• 1:29:07
  kind of just, you stuck with it until 1/1 of you died.
• 1:29:11
  But Anna was just like, no, like you're fucked up.
• 1:29:13
  Like there's something going on. So she was just like, I'm
• 1:29:15
  leaving. But the best thing about Anna
• 1:29:18
  and why I love her is that she just left the kids too.
• 1:29:22
  She's just like fuck all y'all, I'm going.
• 1:29:26
  She took she took all of his possessions as well, even the
• 1:29:29
  mattress that they all slept. On she left.
• 1:29:31
  The kids which? Is.
• 1:29:33
  Him and six. It's.
• 1:29:36
  Like. She left him with six kids and
• 1:29:38
  knocking. Diva boots house slay.
• 1:29:41
  Like literally he's a messer. Terrible.
• 1:29:47
  Yeah, the kids aren't. Well whatever is she's like, I'm
• 1:29:49
  going to go start in your life. Fuck all y'all bye so Albert.
• 1:29:54
  Then he spiralled spiralled tough walk after she left.
• 1:30:00
  By now his life was fully divided.
• 1:30:04
  To his children and his neighbors he was just an odd but
• 1:30:07
  quiet man. Now we say that but they he
• 1:30:10
  would eat raw meat. His kids had have to pull him
• 1:30:14
  down off like there was like a hill and he was naked yelling I
• 1:30:22
  am Christ. They'd have to like pull him
• 1:30:24
  back into the fucking house at this point.
• 1:30:26
  So like, you know, odd, but whatever still never was
• 1:30:30
  abusive. He.
• 1:30:30
  Used. To say that John, John the
• 1:30:32
  Apostle, used to visit him as well, so he said he was hearing
• 1:30:35
  voices. Yeah, and.
• 1:30:36
  He was hearing voices from the 12 apostles.
• 1:30:38
  I'll get into that. And that was like, basically he
• 1:30:40
  had taken up a job to paint in a local church.
• 1:30:45
  And then that's when he apparently quote UN quote got
• 1:30:49
  possessed by demons. But anyway, so he was basically
• 1:30:55
  seen as like quiet but odd. His obsession with violence and
• 1:31:00
  control was consuming him though.
• 1:31:03
  He developed new compulsions, sticking needles into his balls
• 1:31:07
  and self-destructive behaviour, and he began creating what he
• 1:31:13
  called instruments of hell, which were homemade tools
• 1:31:19
  designed to cause harm. So like paddles covered in
• 1:31:23
  nails, meat cleavers, different kind of knives.
• 1:31:26
  Like just he would get real creative with already dangerous
• 1:31:30
  apparatus. The, the paddle covered in nails
• 1:31:35
  was something that he would with this religious mania that they
• 1:31:40
  call it that, that he had, that he would self flagellate.
• 1:31:44
  And he was, he was doing it because he thought he was
• 1:31:47
  possessed by demons. And this was the thing.
• 1:31:49
  So he and boy, the worst of it was he actually got his kids
• 1:31:54
  involved in this stuff as well. So he used to play games with
• 1:31:57
  his kids where he'd say, guess how many fingers get some, or he
• 1:32:03
  gets kids to hold their hands behind their back with their
• 1:32:06
  fingers. And he had to guess how many
• 1:32:08
  fingers they were holding up. And sometimes he would say like
• 1:32:13
  he he never won because they he said, if I lose you, yeah, so if
• 1:32:19
  I lose, you get to stab me with pins or you get to hit me with
• 1:32:22
  this fucking this whip with the nail on it.
• 1:32:25
  So that the kids thought it was a fun game that they were
• 1:32:28
  playing. He never won.
• 1:32:30
  And sometimes the kids are describing, they said like
• 1:32:32
  they'd have one hand behind her back and he'd say it's seven,
• 1:32:34
  you're holding up 7 fingers. And obviously it's physically
• 1:32:38
  impossible, but he just wanted to lose.
• 1:32:40
  So he his kids who he was also, he was also feeding raw meat to
• 1:32:44
  his kids, but they they were now stabbing him with like
• 1:32:49
  instruments and whipping him with like the stuff like this.
• 1:32:53
  But again, he was making it like a fun game for them.
• 1:32:56
  So like, they were like, Dad's just a little bit weird.
• 1:32:58
  And it's a, it's a thing as well that like he, I want to like
• 1:33:02
  reiterate this, he was never once abusive to any of his
• 1:33:07
  children and like. That's a.
• 1:33:10
  A weird. Oh.
• 1:33:14
  I don't know how to word this like a red flag in itself when
• 1:33:18
  it comes to a serial killer because it just makes it so much
• 1:33:23
  harder for them to get caught. He was never abusive to his
• 1:33:27
  wife. He was never abusive to his
• 1:33:29
  children. He was always seen as like a
• 1:33:31
  good dad, protective, like, provided for everybody.
• 1:33:35
  And it's like, that is the fucking perfect fail.
• 1:33:38
  Like, if you look back on it and you can be like, oh, yeah, he
• 1:33:40
  was a Dick to his kids. He, you know, was abusive to his
• 1:33:43
  wife. Whatever you can't say.
• 1:33:45
  Like by all accounts, he was a family man, loved his family.
• 1:33:50
  He was quiet, but he was a bit fucking weird.
• 1:33:52
  He was never like overtly a fucking psychopath to anyone in
• 1:33:58
  the community. And it's just.
• 1:34:00
  That's that's where again, where people in in the in like later
• 1:34:05
  in his life where people are like, oh, he was insane, but was
• 1:34:09
  he insane? Because if he had enough, where
• 1:34:11
  would all to be a protective good, decent batter to his kids?
• 1:34:15
  Yeah. But it's like if you if.
• 1:34:16
  You then he obviously knows what he was doing.
• 1:34:19
  Yeah. And if you go back, like to
• 1:34:21
  Robert Maudley, there's just the kind of, there's a lot of
• 1:34:25
  similarities here. He only ever attacked abusers
• 1:34:31
  and like you know, he would be begged to be put in jail and
• 1:34:35
  solitary because he didn't. Want to kill anyone?
• 1:34:38
  But it was a whole conspiracy that he was put on a wing with
• 1:34:42
  pedophiles and rapists because they knew he would take them
• 1:34:46
  out, basically that kind of thing.
• 1:34:49
  And you look at that and his family have come forward and
• 1:34:52
  been like, well, no, there's been no other evidence of
• 1:34:55
  anything else. You don't know the childhood
• 1:34:58
  that we were brought up in. You don't know this.
• 1:35:01
  I don't want to say it's the same.
• 1:35:02
  It's not the same thing. Because he didn't kill anyone
• 1:35:05
  out of pleasure or malice or anything like that.
• 1:35:11
  He would basically be, it was hatred because it was like,
• 1:35:14
  you've done this to children and fuck you for doing this to
• 1:35:17
  children. And he was sent down
• 1:35:20
  immediately. But when it comes to, again,
• 1:35:25
  this guy, fucking fish, who is all right, fine, he's good to
• 1:35:29
  his family and his wife, but he's doing disgusting things to
• 1:35:33
  vulnerable people. Yeah.
• 1:35:35
  It's like the. For sexual gratification.
• 1:35:37
  Exactly. Yes.
• 1:35:39
  It's a completely fucking different thing.
• 1:35:41
  And it's like, well anyway, so he wasn't suspected.
• 1:35:46
  He was just a weird guy. So when he was building all
• 1:35:52
  these toys and stuff like that, in his head, it was like keeping
• 1:35:57
  him busy from killing. Like at this point, he was
• 1:36:01
  actively trying to not go out and do fucked up things.
• 1:36:04
  He was just like, oh, if I make all of these toys and like
• 1:36:07
  fucking flog myself, I'll be OK. And he had said that at that
• 1:36:14
  time, he'd been employed by a local church to paint murals.
• 1:36:19
  And that's when he said that he was being visited by Saints and
• 1:36:25
  specifically John the Apostle to go ahead and murder and and do
• 1:36:30
  whatever but whatever they were telling him to these, all of
• 1:36:36
  these acts were apparently in the name of religion.
• 1:36:38
  So they were like what God wanted him to do.
• 1:36:41
  So by 1924, when he was 54, Albert had like a grey mustache
• 1:36:48
  and what people would describe as a soft spoken manner.
• 1:36:52
  So he looked like a kindly old man basically.
• 1:36:55
  He looked absolutely harmless at this age and people described
• 1:36:59
  his blue eyes as have you seen? Did you see pictures of him?
• 1:37:04
  Terrifying. Yeah.
• 1:37:06
  So he has like these, we'll post a picture for the for the
• 1:37:12
  episode on Instagram. But he had these like glassy,
• 1:37:17
  like Husky blue. They're like, they're creepy
• 1:37:20
  blue eyes, basically. You're seeing like, yeah.
• 1:37:23
  And apparently they were seen as warm and welcoming.
• 1:37:26
  I'm sorry, if I'm walking to the street and I see someone with
• 1:37:29
  those eyes, I'm like, that's a White Walker.
• 1:37:32
  Fuck you. Like my Game of Thrones brain
• 1:37:34
  just kicks in. I'm like, no.
• 1:37:37
  Yeah, but if a Scars guy or two, then why he's actually, then
• 1:37:40
  you'll be up on them. You'd be claiming them.
• 1:37:42
  You're gonna. Kick my laptop off the table and
• 1:37:44
  I'm like. Fuck.
• 1:37:49
  Oh, I don't want to. Even do.
• 1:37:50
  This I hate this part. So he was seen as warm and
• 1:37:55
  welcoming but basically it was a disguise that made him
• 1:38:00
  trustworthy. So I want to read this.
• 1:38:06
  I forgot because I I made these notes a year and a half ago for
• 1:38:11
  the other podcasts and we never did it so just let me read it
• 1:38:15
  and I'll be fine. OK?
• 1:38:18
  The old podcaster. So that summer, an 8 year old
• 1:38:22
  boy named Francis McDonnell disappeared while playing near
• 1:38:26
  his home in Staten Island. Witnesses recalled seeing him
• 1:38:31
  with an elderly man who matched Albert's description.
• 1:38:34
  Later, Francis's body was discovered in the woods.
• 1:38:38
  He had been sexually assaulted and killed and parts of his body
• 1:38:42
  were missing. Albert had took and ate his
• 1:38:48
  hamstring. Just just just his hamstring.
• 1:38:54
  Though suspicions fell on the strange old man neighbors had
• 1:38:57
  seen, Albert was never caught at the time, and the press began
• 1:39:02
  calling the mysterious figure the Great Man.
• 1:39:07
  So this is this is one of the ones that kind of fucked him up.
• 1:39:10
  Because if if I'm not like this one that the Boy Scouts found
• 1:39:14
  out in the, the the Boy Scouts found hanging from a tree, he he
• 1:39:20
  was strangled with his own suspenders.
• 1:39:22
  Yeah. So the he strangled him so tight
• 1:39:24
  that they, they couldn't differentiate the suspenders
• 1:39:27
  from the skin. He was, he was that harshly
• 1:39:31
  strike. Yeah, embedded into his neck.
• 1:39:35
  What's fucked about or what's obviously everything's fucked up
• 1:39:38
  about this one because he obviously abused the child and
• 1:39:41
  then S lumps off him which is probably the first first known
• 1:39:48
  instance of him cannibalising someone.
• 1:39:51
  But sadly, not the worst, not the worst.
• 1:39:54
  Yeah, not the worst, but I I think that the the the thing
• 1:39:57
  about this one though, is that this is the son of a detective,
• 1:40:01
  which this is what kind of. Fucking cat, cat hair all over
• 1:40:06
  me now. And but because the he was the
• 1:40:10
  son of a detective now the detective was like, we're going
• 1:40:15
  to get this. And they like, again, like we
• 1:40:19
  were saying when he was looking for his victims earlier in life,
• 1:40:23
  he was kind of picking people who wouldn't be noticed,
• 1:40:26
  wouldn't be missed, that nobody would kick up too much of A
• 1:40:29
  force. You made a mistake here because
• 1:40:31
  this is the son of a cop. And now, again, we know how
• 1:40:35
  fucking New York cops are. You.
• 1:40:38
  Once you go for one of them, you go for everyone.
• 1:40:41
  And then this became something that, yeah, so this kind of
• 1:40:46
  became a manhunt where people weren't going to let this one
• 1:40:50
  go. So they really kind of put out
• 1:40:55
  like an APB to look for this guy.
• 1:40:57
  And when it became when the description came out that there
• 1:41:01
  was this old grey man that was hanging out with his droopy
• 1:41:03
  moustache and like dead blue eyes, then it kind of now put
• 1:41:10
  that image into people's minds. So Albert couldn't really be as
• 1:41:15
  prevalent with this kind of stuff anymore.
• 1:41:17
  And it took him three years before he would offend again.
• 1:41:24
  And this is is brutal. Trigger warning if.
• 1:41:28
  I mean, we should probably just start doing a trigger warning at
• 1:41:31
  the beginning of every episode, but whatever.
• 1:41:33
  This is pretty rough. Three years later, 19. 20 we've
• 1:41:37
  said. Some rough stuff, but it only
• 1:41:39
  gets rougher from here. Actually, yeah.
• 1:41:41
  And if you, I, I have to say this, honestly, if you're bad
• 1:41:47
  with this kind of thing, just just turn it off.
• 1:41:51
  We'll see you on the next one. But so 1927, another child
• 1:41:55
  vanished, 4 year old Billy Gaffney.
• 1:41:59
  He, I look like, see, I love this.
• 1:42:02
  This is the wrong fucking word. But because it was like this
• 1:42:05
  time in the century, in the 20s in New York, it's just so many
• 1:42:09
  Irish names because it's all like Irish immigrants.
• 1:42:16
  But yeah, 1927 four year old Billy Gaffney last seen playing
• 1:42:20
  near his Brooklyn apt, a trolley driver had reported seeing a boy
• 1:42:25
  who much Billy description walking with an older man who
• 1:42:30
  seemed to be comforting him and Billy was never seen again.
• 1:42:35
  So. For.
• 1:42:36
  Years his disappearance was unsolved, but later Albert
• 1:42:40
  himself confessed to being involved in this.
• 1:42:44
  He described luring the boy away, holding him captive at the
• 1:42:48
  local dump. He stripped Billy naked, burned
• 1:42:52
  his clothes and gagged him with a rock.
• 1:42:56
  And then he went home. He left him there overnight and
• 1:43:01
  didn't come back until 2:00 PM the next day.
• 1:43:05
  Albert had made a cat on 9 tails, which if you're not
• 1:43:11
  aware, it's a biblical fucking torture device basically
• 1:43:18
  designed to literally tear flesh off the bone.
• 1:43:23
  It's like a whip, but it's got 9 different like the cocktails and
• 1:43:34
  it's yeah, it's. It's letter, but knots at the
• 1:43:37
  end of it. It's like weighted knots at the
• 1:43:39
  end of it's all. I was designed to actually flay
• 1:43:42
  the skin. Yeah.
• 1:43:43
  So just. Fucked up.
• 1:43:44
  Fun fact on that, he was actually devastated that he only
• 1:43:48
  had the means to make it 6 lashes.
• 1:43:52
  But we know whatever he's he's a handyman, He'll he'll just
• 1:43:57
  fucking deal with the fact that he has 6 and not 9.
• 1:44:00
  So yeah, he. This this kid was like, it was
• 1:44:06
  kind of, I know that it was a bold abduction because the kid
• 1:44:12
  was playing in the hallway of the apartment where he was like,
• 1:44:16
  there was two kids there. So there was Billy and his best
• 1:44:20
  friend. The Billy's older brother was in
• 1:44:22
  the apartment and he was supposed to be looking out for
• 1:44:24
  the kids, but he was kind of like listening, but not really
• 1:44:27
  paying much attention. Well, he took the kid the the
• 1:44:30
  younger kid who was like only three years of age.
• 1:44:35
  He described that the boogeyman came.
• 1:44:37
  So this is what they said he was given.
• 1:44:41
  Yeah. So he was given the names.
• 1:44:42
  Like, again, like when you kind of hear of these things, like
• 1:44:45
  the Boogeyman and stuff like that, like, like, like killers
• 1:44:48
  being given this name or the Boogeyman.
• 1:44:49
  Like this was in fucking 1920s New York.
• 1:44:52
  And the kid is describing this old fucking man like he was.
• 1:44:57
  He had a bunch of a bunch of nicknames.
• 1:44:59
  I think it was like the New York fucking vampire or the
• 1:45:03
  mysterious maniac. The fucking.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah, yeah. It was like, yeah, there was a
• 1:45:10
  bunch of nicknames for like when they thought it was like a bunch
• 1:45:13
  of different killers as well, or a bunch of different, like,
• 1:45:15
  attackers. Happening.
• 1:45:16
  Like he was given all these different nicknames.
• 1:45:19
  This this is another thing where Billy was only 5, right?
• 1:45:22
  And it goes back to like, I mean, it doesn't go back to
• 1:45:26
  because this happened before that.
• 1:45:28
  But like, if you look at the Jamie Bulger case, that little
• 1:45:32
  boy who two other little boys took and basically just tortured
• 1:45:38
  him to death, you can't fucking turn your eye for a second.
• 1:45:42
  And it's like, it's always been that way.
• 1:45:45
  Everyone's like, Oh yeah, you can't fucking do anything now.
• 1:45:47
  You can't leave your kid in a fun house.
• 1:45:49
  And just what? No, you could never fucking do
• 1:45:51
  that because it's been happening for fucking years.
• 1:45:54
  Like literally this, this kindly old man and who was a partner.
• 1:46:02
  I will get into more descriptions about him but was
• 1:46:05
  overall seen as trustworthy, had a soft spoken voice.
• 1:46:10
  You're not going to be afraid of him Like and like there was a
• 1:46:12
  man right that lived near. So back in my hometown in
• 1:46:18
  Wexford there was like 3 housing estates very close together.
• 1:46:22
  My housing estate was in the middle.
• 1:46:24
  There was one guy in the left housing estate and his name was
• 1:46:30
  Ted. And they called him Ted because
• 1:46:32
  he would give, he had a room full of teddy bears and he would
• 1:46:37
  give teddy bears to kids. It was so weird, right?
• 1:46:42
  My mom had always, yeah, my mom was always like, don't go near
• 1:46:45
  him. And he would walk down to the
• 1:46:48
  shop, which was so like the shop was basically along this.
• 1:46:52
  It was like in between my estate that I was from, it is the state
• 1:46:58
  that he was from. And then there was like a
• 1:46:59
  further the other side, right? Has there been a death?
• 1:47:05
  I heard that crash. Fucking cat is going on ape
• 1:47:09
  shit. What's?
• 1:47:10
  Going on. Anyway, so this guy and I
• 1:47:15
  remember like I, it's a core memory of mine because I was
• 1:47:20
  friends with people who lived in the same estate as this teddy
• 1:47:23
  bear guy. And we, he was like, oh, we're
• 1:47:27
  going to go to Ted's house and you can pick out a toy.
• 1:47:29
  And I was like, what? I, I, I specifically remember
• 1:47:34
  going in and you go into this guy's house, right?
• 1:47:37
  And it was a bungalow. So you come in, you're shutting
• 1:47:42
  the doorway and then the hallway is like so straight away the
• 1:47:46
  hallway is to the kitchen, to the left is the living room and
• 1:47:49
  then to the right is like I guess 2 bedrooms and the
• 1:47:53
  bathroom. And he like directed us in to
• 1:48:01
  the right to one of the bedrooms.
• 1:48:05
  I know this bedroom was head to toe teddy bears and toys.
• 1:48:11
  Honey, if you're going to tell me about the time you were
• 1:48:13
  molested, I don't think no, no, no.
• 1:48:15
  No, no, no, no, honestly, like I'm literally.
• 1:48:18
  And I was just like, kind of like I remember thinking it was
• 1:48:21
  so fucking weird, right? And my friend apparently had
• 1:48:27
  been there a bunch of times. He's like, yeah, you like, you
• 1:48:29
  know, take what you want. What do you like?
• 1:48:31
  And then I was like, this one, I, it was like a pink Care Bear.
• 1:48:39
  And I took it, and he was fine. He was, like, realized he gave
• 1:48:43
  us chocolate. And then we left.
• 1:48:45
  And then I told my mom just being like, oh, guess what?
• 1:48:49
  And she was just like, I'll beat the fuck.
• 1:48:53
  Like my mom is so annoyed. And she was just like,
• 1:48:56
  absolutely fucking not. I'm taking that teddy bear,
• 1:48:59
  taking that job. Like you don't know this man.
• 1:49:02
  Like there could be a fucking camera in that bear.
• 1:49:04
  And like all this shit. And like, I don't even look back
• 1:49:06
  on it like now. And I'm like, fuck.
• 1:49:09
  And like the guy died and and there was nothing weird ever
• 1:49:14
  found out about it. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:49:17
  There was nothing. He'd never done anything to
• 1:49:19
  anyone. He'd never been.
• 1:49:20
  But it's still like a bit of a fucking Michael Jackson and
• 1:49:23
  never Neverland, you know, I mean your kind of a bit like.
• 1:49:27
  There was something. Weird he's just give and
• 1:49:30
  everyone called him Ted. I don't even know what his real
• 1:49:32
  name was but he's called Ted because he would give teddy
• 1:49:34
  bears. But you know what I mean.
• 1:49:37
  It's. It's.
• 1:49:40
  And I was like, I remember that so weird.
• 1:49:43
  Hey, let's go back to the story about someone even woke up.
• 1:49:46
  Let's get. Back to that story.
• 1:49:49
  So basically, literally. So Billy Gaffney we're talking
• 1:49:53
  about, he beat him with a cat and lion tails.
• 1:49:59
  Yeah, that's as far as we got. And then he caught, Oh no, I'm
• 1:50:05
  sad again. I was like happy talking about
• 1:50:07
  the man that had rooms full of teddy bears and now I have to
• 1:50:10
  talk about this. So he beat Billy to death with
• 1:50:19
  the cut of nine tails. He then cut off his ears, nose,
• 1:50:26
  slit Billy's mouth from ear to ear, which is I believe you call
• 1:50:30
  it. Is it a Glasgow smile?
• 1:50:34
  Yeah. Get out Billy's eyes out he
• 1:50:38
  takes the pieces that he cut off from Billy home, along with
• 1:50:44
  parts of Billy's belly, butt, penis and balls and he.
• 1:50:51
  Eats. Those.
• 1:50:53
  So he wrote this memoir. The front of his body I liked
• 1:51:03
  best, a nice little fat behind to roast in the oven and eat.
• 1:51:08
  I made a shoe out of his ears, nose, face and belly.
• 1:51:12
  I added onions, carrots, turnips, celery, salt and
• 1:51:17
  pepper. It was good.
• 1:51:19
  I haven't eaten a roast Turkey that tasted half as good as that
• 1:51:22
  sweet fat little behind. I ate every bit of the meat in
• 1:51:27
  four days. So it took him four days to to
• 1:51:32
  eat little Billy Gaffney. So at this point then his his
• 1:51:37
  world of violence had fully kind of merged with his public life.
• 1:51:40
  He did appear harmless to strangers and family both
• 1:51:46
  beneath the exterior. He was he was two different
• 1:51:50
  people, which is terrifying. There was a few close calls
• 1:51:57
  which should have had him like this is like what we were
• 1:52:01
  talking about with fucking the Night Stalker.
• 1:52:06
  Whereas like there's a couple of like, whereas he has tried to
• 1:52:11
  rape somebody and like if those people would have like just
• 1:52:15
  pressed charges, he would have been in jail and wouldn't have
• 1:52:18
  been able to like all these fucking murders.
• 1:52:20
  Same thing happened here with this guy in around the same time
• 1:52:23
  that he was found to be there was a instance on a farm where
• 1:52:29
  he was trying to entice a little girl to come with him and the
• 1:52:33
  little girl's mother found him and chased him off the farm and
• 1:52:36
  he came back the next day. This is the Gaul I just called.
• 1:52:38
  He came back the next day and then girls flatter chased him
• 1:52:43
  off and said don't come around here anymore.
• 1:52:45
  But instead of like, you know, in authorities innocent, this
• 1:52:50
  lads trying to abduct my kids. He.
• 1:52:52
  Just. Shoot him on to the next kid,
• 1:52:54
  you know what I mean? Yeah, and he.
• 1:52:55
  Did have like a little bit of a. Lock on on kids that he wanted.
• 1:53:01
  Yeah, he did. He did kind of obsess.
• 1:53:03
  He there was there was another kid as well.
• 1:53:06
  Cyril Quinn was a kid that he same thing.
• 1:53:11
  As yeah all. Irish fucking kids.
• 1:53:15
  Same thing as as your teddy bear fella.
• 1:53:19
  He kind of enticed Cyril and another friend of his to come
• 1:53:25
  into his apartment for sandwiches.
• 1:53:27
  Everyone was fucking hungry at the time.
• 1:53:29
  So he was after saying like oh I've got sandwiches in here.
• 1:53:32
  And he ended up playing on the bed with the the kids and the
• 1:53:38
  kids got a little bit rambunctious to a wrestling
• 1:53:41
  around on the bed. And he was kind of watching and
• 1:53:43
  delighted that these kids were having a bit of fun before he
• 1:53:46
  was going to have his fun. And the kids upturned his
• 1:53:50
  mattress and found this bag of tricks, this his implements of
• 1:53:55
  what was it? Instruments of hell.
• 1:53:59
  Yeah, instruments of hell. Sorry.
• 1:54:01
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 1:54:03
  And they leg that and ran. But again, never alerted anybody
• 1:54:08
  to this to this guy. I guess you wouldn't like I'd be
• 1:54:11
  fucking scared to do it like I do what I mean like it's fucking
• 1:54:15
  terrifying to the most I had to deal with was like, oh, there's
• 1:54:20
  a room full of fucking teddy bears.
• 1:54:23
  Like it's it's weird. So anyway.
• 1:54:26
  Yeah. He grew.
• 1:54:29
  His crimes grew even more disturbing towards the end of
• 1:54:34
  the 1920s. After the disappearance of Billy
• 1:54:37
  in 1927, newspapers began calling the mysterious predator
• 1:54:44
  the boogeyman, like you said. So 1928 Albert.
• 1:54:50
  Now he's nearly 60 at this point, he set his sights on a
• 1:54:54
  new victim, so he used the alias Frank Howard.
• 1:54:59
  He placed an. Did did he not get married
• 1:55:04
  again? Yeah, he.
• 1:55:04
  Did he did have another wife? Yeah, I, I just.
• 1:55:08
  Was this before? No.
• 1:55:09
  This is after I I glossed over that part He has he has a new
• 1:55:13
  wife right now. I just didn't think it was.
• 1:55:16
  But didn't didn't like this is where what you were talking
• 1:55:18
  about with the the letters. So he he married?
• 1:55:21
  Yeah, from married again, even though he was already married.
• 1:55:24
  He. Never got divorced from his
• 1:55:25
  business. Yeah, he's like, basically he
• 1:55:27
  joined like a desperate. And that was the word at the
• 1:55:31
  time because obviously, like back then you couldn't be
• 1:55:33
  unmarried if you were a woman. And it was like a yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:36
  Rich. Experts.
• 1:55:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically. So he did get married.
• 1:55:42
  Yeah, but his new his new wife left him after he she found that
• 1:55:48
  he was sending these disgusting letters.
• 1:55:53
  And this kind of is something that kind of crops up again.
• 1:55:55
  His letters are kind of something to give him a little.
• 1:55:57
  I told you this, I paid for one of his letters.
• 1:56:02
  It wasn't even one actually. It was like a bundle of like 3
• 1:56:06
  and you get them for like a price.
• 1:56:08
  So yeah, you know me, I'm like they.
• 1:56:12
  Were like correspondence to these lonely hearts, Yeah.
• 1:56:15
  That's what it was, yeah. So he would basically, and he'd
• 1:56:18
  been doing this for years and years and years.
• 1:56:20
  So there were hundreds, maybe like fucking thousands of
• 1:56:24
  letters that he'd written over the years since he was like a
• 1:56:27
  teenager. He started responding to these
• 1:56:29
  ads. So, right, OK, I didn't know it
• 1:56:32
  was that. Long, Yeah.
• 1:56:33
  Yeah, he did that pretty much. Like it was.
• 1:56:35
  All kind of disgusting stuff that he was sending, like just
• 1:56:37
  kind of. Yeah.
• 1:56:38
  And. Like as soon as like so.
• 1:56:39
  Do you remember when he got out of the orphanage and his mom
• 1:56:42
  took him back? And so he was replying to these
• 1:56:45
  letters from about 10 years old. He was like, constantly right?
• 1:56:49
  And it was just something that got him off.
• 1:56:51
  And so there was there was a bunch of these letters and these
• 1:56:56
  like were all kind of later submitted into evidence after
• 1:57:02
  the fact because they were just like, oh, I lived in this state.
• 1:57:05
  What, you know, I had submitted to this lonely horse club or
• 1:57:09
  like my mother had submitted, you know, they were all sent
• 1:57:12
  back in. And.
• 1:57:14
  I. Kind of letters.
• 1:57:15
  I fucked them up in the end anyway so.
• 1:57:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it would just be basically
• 1:57:19
  I. Suppose let's get on.
• 1:57:22
  Let's get in the greatest board now.
• 1:57:23
  I suppose that's. Kind of that's that's the kind
• 1:57:25
  of where I have that full letter as well.
• 1:57:29
  OK, right. But yeah, the other letters that
• 1:57:31
  he had written like he loved, he loved to write.
• 1:57:33
  He was creative little man. But yeah, I tried to buy some of
• 1:57:38
  those letters on the the dark web and stuff, but outbid and
• 1:57:43
  whatever, like just just to fucking like half of it is to
• 1:57:46
  just fucking see like, and this is my thing with serial killers
• 1:57:50
  and the occult and a lot of that kind of stuff is it is just
• 1:57:54
  morbid curiosity. It's not like I'm going to be
• 1:57:56
  taking notes. So, you know, so Billy Gaffney.
• 1:58:04
  So in 1928, Albert, now nearing 60, had set his sights on a new
• 1:58:10
  victim. So he was using the alias Frank
• 1:58:13
  Howard, and he placed an ad in the newspaper pretending to be a
• 1:58:18
  farmer offering work. A young man named Edward Budd
• 1:58:24
  responded to the ad and Albert visited the family in Manhattan
• 1:58:30
  under the pretence of hiring him, which I don't know if that
• 1:58:33
  was a normal thing back then that the employer would come.
• 1:58:37
  To you it. Was no, what had happened.
• 1:58:41
  It was actually, it was actually Edward Wood that put out the ad.
• 1:58:46
  He said he was a young, he was a he was a young person looking to
• 1:58:49
  move to the countryside for work and that he wanted to.
• 1:58:53
  I'll just go. Yeah.
• 1:58:54
  So he, he was the one that put out the ad.
• 1:58:56
  And yeah, it was Albert. Albert had actually responded to
• 1:59:02
  Edward's ad to say he sent up a telegram to say that I am a
• 1:59:08
  farmer I've got. And the way he spun the story
• 1:59:11
  about his farm, that his farm was this fucking incredible farm
• 1:59:15
  that had a bunch of hands working for it, that had a
• 1:59:19
  Swedish chef, not the one from The Muppets, but I'm sure.
• 1:59:26
  But so he came up with this kind of story where he was, he
• 1:59:29
  explained that he had like this fantastic farm that the guy and
• 1:59:36
  the guy ever was, I think 18 at the time.
• 1:59:38
  So like he, I'm sure he probably, and he grew up in New
• 1:59:41
  York. He was just looking for work
• 1:59:43
  outside of New York. So he was probably kind of a
• 1:59:46
  little bit naive to like what farm life would be.
• 1:59:50
  And Albert had kind of explained this kind of fantastical kind of
• 1:59:54
  a farm, this wonderful place that has like so much land and
• 1:59:58
  here are the all these animals you're going to be working with.
• 2:00:01
  And we have our own chef and this kind of stuff.
• 2:00:03
  And he was like, one of my hands is leaving.
• 2:00:05
  So I'm I'm going to be in need of another hand.
• 2:00:09
  And that's how he ended up responding to him and the the
• 2:00:13
  buds couldn't believe their luck that this guy was coming to take
• 2:00:18
  Edward as a fucking employee. So Albert arrived at the Bud
• 2:00:23
  home. He charmed the family, brought
• 2:00:26
  gifts of cheese and strawberries, but during his
• 2:00:31
  visit he met Edward's younger sister, which is 10 year old
• 2:00:36
  Grace Bud. So Grace.
• 2:00:38
  Yeah. Was so she suffered really badly
• 2:00:42
  from anemia. So she was quite frail.
• 2:00:46
  I'll all the time didn't get to get out of the house like
• 2:00:49
  because back then there's not a lot of treatment for anemia.
• 2:00:52
  You're just a sad, lonely little kid.
• 2:00:55
  You, you know, you don't have the energy to get it and do
• 2:00:58
  anything. So she was described as very
• 2:01:02
  shy, but apparently warmed to Albert immediately.
• 2:01:08
  And the family noticed this so automatically they they trusted
• 2:01:12
  him. So Albert had told Grace that he
• 2:01:18
  was actually on the way to his niece's birthday party after the
• 2:01:24
  interview with her brother and was like, do you, do you want to
• 2:01:30
  come? And like the family thinking,
• 2:01:32
  oh, it's a kindly old man and Grace seems to really like him.
• 2:01:37
  Like absolutely. Like let's let Grace go with
• 2:01:40
  this complete fucking stranger to his niece's.
• 2:01:44
  Birthday party, what he what he had done before, this kind of
• 2:01:47
  thing to like obviously like the cheese and strawberries were
• 2:01:49
  wanting to ingratiate himself to family.
• 2:01:51
  But apparently he, he had asked Grace, was she clever?
• 2:01:56
  He kind of he, he became kind of obsessed with with Grace.
• 2:02:01
  The idea was to come here for the kid Edward.
• 2:02:04
  But when he met Grace, he kind of he switched his story
• 2:02:06
  completely. And he asked Grace, was she
• 2:02:08
  clever? And she was like, kind of like,
• 2:02:12
  you know, again, like you were saying she was a shy girl.
• 2:02:14
  And he asked her could she count?
• 2:02:16
  And she said, yes, she could count.
• 2:02:18
  And he took a wad of cash and it was the most money this family
• 2:02:23
  has ever seen before. And I think it was $90.50.
• 2:02:27
  And she counted it all and she said there's 90 and 50 Cent
• 2:02:30
  there. And he gave her the $0.50.
• 2:02:32
  He said it was. Was it OK with the parents to
• 2:02:33
  give her $0.50 so that she can, you know, treat herself to some
• 2:02:37
  sweets and her sisters some sweets and stuff.
• 2:02:39
  And the family are like, yeah, cool.
• 2:02:41
  OK. And he then he said that, OK, I
• 2:02:44
  can't actually bring Edward to the farm today because I
• 2:02:48
  actually have an appointment with my sister, her his niece
• 2:02:53
  who was around the same. So he kind of came up with this
• 2:02:55
  story kind of on the fly. And he said that that his niece
• 2:03:00
  had the birthday party today and that's why he couldn't take
• 2:03:02
  Edward today, but he'd come back for Edward tomorrow.
• 2:03:05
  And he said, Oh, by the way, he just kind of as he was leaving,
• 2:03:08
  he kind of said it. This was the way it was
• 2:03:10
  described that he just kind of said it and pass him Grace.
• 2:03:14
  Grace would hardly want to come to this party, which he and the
• 2:03:16
  mother was very, like, apprehensive about letting the
• 2:03:19
  child laugh with a stranger. She's a Flanagan, by the way,
• 2:03:22
  and they're Irish. But.
• 2:03:25
  But the father, Albert, Albert Budd, he was like, the child
• 2:03:29
  doesn't get out enough. She needs to socialize.
• 2:03:32
  Yeah. Send.
• 2:03:34
  Send their office. And weak and sick all the time.
• 2:03:36
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, and then he was
• 2:03:39
  like, so send, send her off. It'd be good for her to go and
• 2:03:41
  meet some people. This guy seems like like he's on
• 2:03:45
  the open up. He has a good story.
• 2:03:46
  He's fucking, he's just all kindly looking gentleman again.
• 2:03:50
  And he's got a like a wad of cash.
• 2:03:52
  So he can't be a bad guy. He has to be like some affluent
• 2:03:55
  good guy, you know, No one speaks.
• 2:03:57
  German could be. Oh man.
• 2:04:00
  Exactly. Bingo.
• 2:04:05
  Jesus. Took a while for The Simpsons
• 2:04:06
  reference to get right, but yeah.
• 2:04:11
  So that's when he took Grace away.
• 2:04:13
  Sorry, I I kind of, that was a big elaboration.
• 2:04:17
  That was the also the last time that she was seen alive.
• 2:04:24
  So when Grace never returned, her family went to the police.
• 2:04:29
  Investigators quickly discovered that there was no record of a
• 2:04:34
  farmer named Frank Howard in Framingdale.
• 2:04:40
  The buds had been deceived. Grace's case became front page
• 2:04:45
  news and detectives worked tirelessly, but the trail grew
• 2:04:49
  cold for years. Detectives.
• 2:04:53
  The only evidence basically was a few fingerprints and a
• 2:04:56
  telegram signed by Frank Howard and witness descriptions.
• 2:05:02
  There was no real kind of proof as to where she went, what had
• 2:05:06
  happened at one point, a man named Charles Pope.
• 2:05:11
  I love this story because it's just like me.
• 2:05:16
  He'd pissed off his wife, and his wife was like, actually, my
• 2:05:21
  husband kind of fits that description.
• 2:05:23
  So you know. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:26
  And they were like, OK, so Charles Pope was like arrested.
• 2:05:30
  There was Ozzy, no evidence on him.
• 2:05:32
  And she was like, that's what you get.
• 2:05:34
  Like she was just like literally trying to get him sent down for
• 2:05:38
  just being a shithead. But obviously that didn't pan
• 2:05:42
  out. So the killer was still at
• 2:05:44
  large. So meanwhile, he wait, no, if I
• 2:05:50
  scroll backwards, I have. Oh, yeah, there we go.
• 2:05:56
  So in 1934, after six years after Grace had disappeared, her
• 2:06:02
  family received a letter. It was rumbling and disturbing,
• 2:06:06
  filled with strange stories. Like it went all the way back to
• 2:06:12
  like his childhood and stuff. Like he, he started like
• 2:06:16
  bringing that up and stuff and he, I hate this.
• 2:06:23
  OK, I'm going to read it word for word for you and I, I hate
• 2:06:27
  that I have to do this, but whatever.
• 2:06:29
  My dear Mr. Budd, on Sunday, June the 3rd, 1928, I called on
• 2:06:36
  you at 406 W 15th St. I brought you cheese and
• 2:06:42
  strawberries. We had lunch.
• 2:06:44
  Grace sat on my lap and she kissed me.
• 2:06:48
  I made-up my mind I would eat her on the praise of taking her
• 2:06:53
  to a party. You said yes, she could go.
• 2:06:56
  I took her to an empty house in Westchester I'd already picked
• 2:07:00
  out. When we got there, I told her to
• 2:07:02
  remain outside. She picked wildflowers.
• 2:07:05
  I went upstairs and stripped all of my clothes off.
• 2:07:08
  I knew if I did not, I would get her blood on them.
• 2:07:13
  When all was ready, I went to the window and I called her.
• 2:07:17
  I hid in the closet until she was in the room.
• 2:07:20
  When she saw me naked she began to cry and try to run
• 2:07:23
  downstairs. I grabbed her.
• 2:07:25
  She said she would tell her Mama first.
• 2:07:28
  I stripped her naked. How she did kick, bite and
• 2:07:32
  scratch. I tied her up and cut her into
• 2:07:35
  small pieces so that I could take my meal to my room and eat
• 2:07:39
  her. How sweet and tender her little
• 2:07:42
  ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her
• 2:07:47
  body. I did not fuck her, though I
• 2:07:51
  could have if I wanted. She died a virgin.
• 2:07:56
  Handwriting basically matched the other telegram that they
• 2:08:00
  got, and investigators traced the envelope back to a boarding
• 2:08:04
  house that Albert had recently stayed in.
• 2:08:09
  Detectives then set a trap and in December 1934, Albert Fish
• 2:08:13
  was finally arrested. It was actually fairly clever.
• 2:08:19
  Sorry to, to, to bring this back.
• 2:08:22
  I know we're fucking down to the fucking absolute ball.
• 2:08:26
  But like the way they discovered because like, you could imagine
• 2:08:30
  that like in the 1930s, it would be actually really hard.
• 2:08:33
  Like, like there's nothing forensic to to work with.
• 2:08:36
  There's kind of like all they were really working with here
• 2:08:39
  was kind of matching handwriting.
• 2:08:41
  And he kind of, he fucked himself over writing these
• 2:08:43
  because he couldn't help himself with these letters, by the looks
• 2:08:45
  of it. Like why six years after the
• 2:08:48
  fact was he sending that letter to, to, to the mother?
• 2:08:50
  Obviously he just needed to get his jollies from knowing that
• 2:08:55
  like he was upsetting the mother by sending this letter.
• 2:08:58
  But they, they looked at the envelopes.
• 2:09:01
  The envelopes were distinct envelopes that were custom made
• 2:09:06
  for a, a chauffeurs association in New York City.
• 2:09:13
  So they went to the Chauffeurs Association and they were like,
• 2:09:17
  do any of the people who work here fit this description of
• 2:09:20
  this kindly old man, the Juby mustache, whatever this, this
• 2:09:24
  the the guy that they've been looking for.
• 2:09:27
  And no, there was not in there. So there were kind of, they were
• 2:09:31
  going to give up on it. And then there was a janitor
• 2:09:33
  that was working in the place and he said, I actually had
• 2:09:38
  taken some of the paper and these envelopes from here.
• 2:09:44
  I'm not supposed to have taken them.
• 2:09:45
  I stole them. And he wasn't going to come
• 2:09:47
  forward because he was afraid he was going to get in trouble.
• 2:09:49
  But then when he heard like how like the actual fucking crimes
• 2:09:53
  and, and again, the cranes weren't actually put out.
• 2:09:58
  They couldn't put the cranes into the paper because it was so
• 2:10:00
  graphic. So he just heard that a little
• 2:10:02
  girl had been hurt and he obviously he came forward and
• 2:10:06
  said, even if I'm going to get in trouble, here's the deal.
• 2:10:08
  I, I'm after stealing these cars, but I was living in a, a
• 2:10:14
  boarding house and whoever was in after me in the boarding
• 2:10:19
  house probably would have used these.
• 2:10:21
  So they kind of, you know, had to piece all this together and
• 2:10:24
  be like, OK, where is this boarding house?
• 2:10:26
  They went to the boarding house. They asked this, the woman who
• 2:10:31
  worked in the boarding house, is there a man that fits this
• 2:10:34
  subscription? Was he in this room?
• 2:10:36
  Yes, but he left two days ago and that's it.
• 2:10:41
  He doesn't live here anymore. And they're like, oh, OK.
• 2:10:43
  But she said, but he was weird about cheques, so he always
• 2:10:48
  cashed his cheques with her. And he said he'd be back to cash
• 2:10:53
  a cheque for her. And that's how they set up this,
• 2:10:57
  this kind of meet cute with him and this fucking detective
• 2:11:01
  that's been this detective, by the way, I was looking for him
• 2:11:03
  for years. And so none, they actually were
• 2:11:08
  staking out this place for fucking ages and they gave up.
• 2:11:14
  He wasn't, he wasn't showing up. It was like 2 weeks and he
• 2:11:17
  didn't show up to collect his money for this cheque.
• 2:11:20
  But just as they had given up, he showed up like either the
• 2:11:24
  next day or two days after. And the woman, the board, the
• 2:11:30
  the one who was in charge of this boarding house, she called
• 2:11:34
  up with the cops and was like, you need to fucking get down
• 2:11:37
  here Now this guy is here, this guy that you've been staking out
• 2:11:40
  this place for. And they were like, keep them
• 2:11:43
  busy. So fucking keep them in there.
• 2:11:45
  And she did exactly that. She was like, oh, I'm having
• 2:11:49
  issues. Yeah.
• 2:11:50
  Getting as much money as you want.
• 2:11:52
  So just give me a minute. Can you come into this room and
• 2:11:55
  wait there? And she put me into the room,
• 2:11:56
  and she kind of fucking, you know, kept them there.
• 2:11:59
  This detective showed up and said, Albert Fish.
• 2:12:05
  And he sat up in the chair and was confused.
• 2:12:09
  He didn't know who he was talking to.
• 2:12:11
  And the detective said, we've got you at last.
• 2:12:16
  Fish pulls out a fucking blade and point to that.
• 2:12:22
  Yeah, pointed at the detective. Detective grabs him by the
• 2:12:25
  wrists and just twists it. And he's at this point, he's so
• 2:12:28
  old and frail, he's in the 60s and he's been seen as this old
• 2:12:33
  grey man that he easily just drops the knife and he has him.
• 2:12:38
  And he just looked like this kind of pathetic old man that
• 2:12:44
  they couldn't really believe that he was the one that was
• 2:12:47
  capable of all of these fucking heinous things because he,
• 2:12:49
  again, he just looked like some withered grey man.
• 2:12:52
  He's a fucking old dude, Like, yeah.
• 2:12:55
  And like that, that, that's the thing.
• 2:12:57
  And he used that for a lot of his time there.
• 2:13:02
  It was just like you, you're going to look at people and
• 2:13:05
  like, so I remember when I was like a kid, very, very young,
• 2:13:11
  when I was living in Wexford and I was walking home with my mum
• 2:13:14
  one night. And so we're coming up, it's,
• 2:13:18
  it's called like the Hospital Rd. because it was just the road
• 2:13:22
  that led to the hospital. And at the time it wasn't a main
• 2:13:25
  road. It was like a fucking country
• 2:13:27
  lane and there was like housing estates down the side of it and
• 2:13:32
  so. I.
• 2:13:33
  Is this the asylum that's on there?
• 2:13:35
  Or. No, that's further up.
• 2:13:36
  So that's in an escort the I like.
• 2:13:38
  There's a bunch of stories to tell about that, but basically
• 2:13:42
  we had been up in an escort D visiting my nanny, my mom's mom,
• 2:13:48
  and we were coming back and as you're walking over the whole
• 2:13:53
  hostel road and again it's dirt Rd. there was someone like
• 2:13:56
  walking in front of us, a guy, and my mom was a bit like, it's
• 2:14:02
  really fucking like late at night.
• 2:14:04
  This chap is kind of like whatever.
• 2:14:07
  So if you are walking over this road, there is a house in the
• 2:14:09
  state that that you can turn down into.
• 2:14:12
  So my mom was like, we'll turn down into the housing estate.
• 2:14:16
  And so this guy was walking ahead of us completely past the
• 2:14:19
  turn into the housing estate. And then when he saw us turn
• 2:14:24
  down into the housing estate, he then turned down like hopped a
• 2:14:29
  wall to go into the housing estate.
• 2:14:33
  So my mom luckily, like knew a woman, I think she barely knew
• 2:14:38
  her. I think it was just a very loose
• 2:14:39
  acquaintance, was able to like, knock on the door.
• 2:14:43
  And she opened the door, thankfully.
• 2:14:46
  And she was just like, OK. And she was just like, we need
• 2:14:49
  to come into your house right now.
• 2:14:50
  Like brought her in, whatever. And then the guards were called.
• 2:14:53
  That's all I remember from like, being very young.
• 2:14:59
  But yeah, it is just like, it's fucking mental that people like
• 2:15:04
  you could call the cops. They're just thinking it's so
• 2:15:07
  innocent and it's not a big deal.
• 2:15:09
  It's just someone kind of like passing you, but it could
• 2:15:11
  fucking be a serial killer and that's what you have to look out
• 2:15:14
  for. So anyway, this motherfucker.
• 2:15:19
  What? What was that?
• 2:15:21
  I don't know. I don't.
• 2:15:23
  I'm drunk. This is this is what we have
• 2:15:26
  three stars anyway, so Albert fish anyway.
• 2:15:35
  He. Handwriting matched the letter
• 2:15:42
  that he sent about Grace and about Billy Gaffney and Robert's
• 2:15:47
  trial began on March on March in March 1935, defence argued that
• 2:15:55
  he was insane, pointing to his long history of hallucinations,
• 2:16:01
  bizarre behaviour and violent compulsions.
• 2:16:04
  His kids, again, like we said earlier, testified describing
• 2:16:09
  their father as eccentric, but he'd always been kind to them.
• 2:16:14
  So the the weirdest thing, I guess, quote, UN quote that you
• 2:16:19
  could say that his kids had said is that yeah, he'd occasionally
• 2:16:24
  run around and wanted raw meat on a full moon.
• 2:16:31
  Then he would be up in the mirrors yelling I am Christ
• 2:16:36
  like. And these were all things that
• 2:16:37
  were like a little eccentric, not just like fucking full blown
• 2:16:40
  weird and but yeah, apparently in no way abusive, in no way
• 2:16:48
  like just always a kind to his kids.
• 2:16:52
  And so prosecution emphasized that Albert knew that what he
• 2:16:59
  was doing, he had covered his tracks, used false names and
• 2:17:03
  carefully planned his crimes. Jury agreed.
• 2:17:08
  After a brief deliberation, Albert was found guilty of first
• 2:17:12
  jury murder and he was sentenced to death.
• 2:17:15
  But here's the thing, He made it perfectly clear that he was like
• 2:17:23
  giddy at the thought of this. So obviously he loved pain when
• 2:17:29
  he was brought in to the the jail I guess, or the the
• 2:17:34
  penitentiary. I don't know how you say that,
• 2:17:37
  but you go through like a full body thing to make sure you have
• 2:17:40
  nothing on you. He was X-rayed.
• 2:17:42
  He had 33 O pins in his groin that were just left there.
• 2:17:51
  And they've been there for years, yeah.
• 2:17:53
  Yeah, he just, they were just in there and he, he just left.
• 2:17:55
  They were just in there and like, yeah, he had like all of
• 2:17:58
  that shit going on and like he was just stuffed with pins in
• 2:18:04
  his testicles and his Gooch and and whatever the fuck.
• 2:18:09
  And he had said that he welcomed the quote UN quote sweet release
• 2:18:16
  of death because obviously heeled pain and torment on
• 2:18:20
  himself and the only high that he hadn't tasted was his own
• 2:18:26
  death. So he was.
• 2:18:28
  Very, Yeah. That was it.
• 2:18:29
  That was what he was saying at the end.
• 2:18:31
  Like that the only the only thing left for him to experience
• 2:18:35
  now was death. So, yeah, like a bunch because
• 2:18:39
  he pleaded insanity, a bunch of psychiatrists were brought into
• 2:18:42
  kind of to come in. And most of the psychiatrists
• 2:18:46
  actually agreed that he was insane.
• 2:18:48
  And the jury had also said, yeah, he he's insane, but we
• 2:18:53
  still are going to give him the chair because he like, there's
• 2:19:00
  insanity and there's also just being a bad bastard.
• 2:19:03
  And he was a. Bad bastard, he was insane.
• 2:19:05
  But he was a bad bastard. But they.
• 2:19:08
  Kind of looked at what they looked at, it was like, I
• 2:19:12
  actually have a list of his sexual fetishes here in front of
• 2:19:14
  me. And some of them, I don't even
• 2:19:18
  know what they are. I'm a dirty whore.
• 2:19:20
  So yeah, right. Sexual features which included
• 2:19:24
  sadism and masochism, flagellation, exhibitionism,
• 2:19:27
  voyeurism, piquerism, cannibalism, coprophasia.
• 2:19:32
  Europaea. Again, I don't know.
• 2:19:35
  I don't know what piquerism is, but PIQUERIS.
• 2:19:40
  M I'm going to go hang on, I'm going to, I'm going to Google
• 2:19:44
  the weird ones, OK? No, I can.
• 2:19:45
  I can do it right now. I'll find out who it is right
• 2:19:47
  now, Fred. It's refers to a sexual interest
• 2:19:50
  in penetrating the skin of another person with sharp
• 2:19:52
  objects. So stabbing.
• 2:19:53
  What was the other one? Coprophasia.
• 2:19:59
  What's that? That is, I'll tell you now.
• 2:20:03
  Refers to many kinds of feces eating.
• 2:20:06
  Oh yeah, we do that. That's a weird.
• 2:20:08
  Yeah. Urophilia, which is the piece
• 2:20:12
  hema hema tolag. That's blood, right?
• 2:20:15
  Hematolagnia, which yeah, obviously has to be blood
• 2:20:19
  pedophilia, necrophilia and in fibrillation, which.
• 2:20:24
  It's just. That.
• 2:20:26
  I. Want to know about it, the term
• 2:20:27
  and also for what is that placing A clasp through the
• 2:20:33
  foreskin in men. For more information, see this
• 2:20:35
  article Fibula. No, I don't want that.
• 2:20:40
  Oh, it's the removal of the, it's, it's the removal of the
• 2:20:44
  vulva. And it's suturing, a practice
• 2:20:47
  found mainly in northeastern Africa.
• 2:20:50
  It's the female. That's.
• 2:20:53
  The right thing, like female circumcision.
• 2:20:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Essentially, Yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:58
  Because they don't believe that you can.
• 2:21:00
  Pretty much and. It is religious thing, it is
• 2:21:02
  barbaric, but it's it's a whole thing where they remove the
• 2:21:08
  pleasure points of the female genitals because they don't
• 2:21:13
  believe that sex should be a pleasurable thing.
• 2:21:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get that.
• 2:21:18
  What this doctor, Doctor James Dempsey, not an Irishman, and
• 2:21:23
  his his summation noted that fish was a psychiatric
• 2:21:27
  phenomenon and that nowhere in legal or medical records was
• 2:21:33
  another individual who possessed so many sexual abnormalities.
• 2:21:37
  So he even when. He was being like marched to the
• 2:21:40
  chair, so he got the chair. He apparently he'd been
• 2:21:47
  described as being giddy about it, and he walked in with his
• 2:21:53
  hands clasped as if they were in prayer and was just excited to
• 2:22:00
  see what happens. And like this, this is the
• 2:22:03
  fucking thing, right? And a lot of the time I'm kind
• 2:22:05
  of like, right, electric chair, death, death, whatever.
• 2:22:11
  But someone like him, I would love to just see him locked up
• 2:22:16
  and tortured for the rest of his life because again, someone who
• 2:22:21
  would revel in death and the experience of like feeling
• 2:22:27
  death, he doesn't deserve that, you know?
• 2:22:30
  I mean, he deserves it to be as drawn out and long winded as
• 2:22:34
  possible and like well. He probably would have enjoyed
• 2:22:38
  that more. I don't know though, like didn't
• 2:22:40
  I mean if you're just left in solitary with absolutely nothing
• 2:22:44
  to even harm yourself? Yeah, sorry.
• 2:22:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, sorry.
• 2:22:48
  I thought you meant like a drawn out worst death.
• 2:22:50
  Like, yeah, I. Just mean like.
• 2:22:52
  Thrown in the hole. You've, no, you're completely
• 2:22:55
  naked. There's nothing in that fucking
• 2:22:57
  brick building that you can hurt yourself with, that you can, you
• 2:23:01
  know, you can probably fucking throw yourself into the walls,
• 2:23:04
  whatever. I think that is a fitting death
• 2:23:08
  for someone who my last pleasure, my greatest fantasy.
• 2:23:13
  Is I agree? Yeah, I get you.
• 2:23:15
  It's like, OK, whatever. And it's like you, you've seen
• 2:23:20
  so many like cases over history and stuff like that.
• 2:23:22
  They've been like, just give me death.
• 2:23:24
  I like, I deserve nothing else. And it's like, no, if you're
• 2:23:29
  asking for death, that's the easy way out.
• 2:23:32
  Like, you know what I mean? It's just a fucking weird thing.
• 2:23:37
  But like monsters like. For someone like him, like I
• 2:23:40
  think he is kind of an exception that like he he was probably
• 2:23:43
  going to enjoy this. There's probably just a few
• 2:23:45
  people in life that that would genuinely enjoy it.
• 2:23:50
  Like I think a lot of people who would be Billy big balls go into
• 2:23:53
  the electric chair would shit themselves by the end.
• 2:23:56
  But I do believe that this guy here was probably fucked up
• 2:24:01
  enough to actually enjoy and want this fucking experience of
• 2:24:06
  the electric chair. Yeah, and he had said that like
• 2:24:09
  literally from day one he'd been like, OK, great.
• 2:24:12
  Like that's that's the one thing I haven't tasted.
• 2:24:14
  I love that. I want to.
• 2:24:16
  Fucking I'm excited. For that and it's like, no, they
• 2:24:19
  should have just like literally just buried him alive.
• 2:24:22
  Just buried him alive just. But then again, there's the
• 2:24:25
  whole like, exit, there's the sophistication thing.
• 2:24:29
  So you have to probably like do something that yeah, no, I don't
• 2:24:33
  know. There's no way that you can
• 2:24:35
  actually, like kill this man that he wouldn't get off on.
• 2:24:38
  But. As you say, maybe just leaving
• 2:24:40
  him, leaving him in a straight jacket in a pad itself for the
• 2:24:42
  rest of his fucking life probably would have been most
• 2:24:44
  torturous thing for him because he wouldn't be able to like.
• 2:24:47
  Yeah, just literally like. Maybe he.
• 2:24:50
  Was. Given the electric chair, he
• 2:24:53
  was, he was given the electric chair anyways and and there was
• 2:24:57
  reports that he did short circuit the chair because of
• 2:25:01
  these pins in his crotch, but then that was kind of dismissed
• 2:25:04
  later on. That's just kind of.
• 2:25:05
  No, but he. Had that.
• 2:25:06
  Story that somebody met up. He had 30 upon X-ray.
• 2:25:11
  Yeah, he had them. They were in his body.
• 2:25:13
  But like, yeah, I don't think the effect that it was just a
• 2:25:15
  kind of a tall tale with someone.
• 2:25:17
  Yeah, someone that was there kind of met up the story.
• 2:25:20
  What do you? You push, Yeah. 1st just for a
• 2:25:23
  second to bring it back, you have someone like him who
• 2:25:26
  obviously tends to whatever and then you got Robert Mosley who
• 2:25:30
  has only killed people like Albert Fish.
• 2:25:34
  You should marry this Robert Mosley.
• 2:25:36
  I've never heard someone I. Love him Jesus.
• 2:25:40
  I'm going to find out how to write to him honestly, because
• 2:25:43
  I'm just like, I'm obsessed with him.
• 2:25:47
  Where was they going? I love Robert Mosley.
• 2:25:49
  This is This is no. I don't know what you were going
• 2:25:51
  with this, Danny. No, I I just wanted.
• 2:25:53
  To say 2. And a half hours in and fucking
• 2:25:56
  we're we're almost at the end of this and you've just.
• 2:25:59
  Shut up, went again. I just wanted.
• 2:26:01
  To say that it comes down to someone who has been so brutal
• 2:26:07
  and disgusting and whatever and he just gets the death penalty,
• 2:26:12
  where you have Robert Mosley, who yes, he's killed a couple of
• 2:26:16
  people, but they're fucking pedophiles and he's in a glass
• 2:26:19
  box locked away underground. Like it doesn't make sense to
• 2:26:24
  me. That's it.
• 2:26:25
  That's all I wanted to say. OK, so we'll we'll catch up on
• 2:26:31
  the love story between Danny and Robert and he likes and.
• 2:26:38
  He. Who does that?
• 2:26:40
  Like Dave and Brian? Yes.
• 2:26:42
  So I'm meeting with reporters as a meeting with reporters after
• 2:26:48
  execution. Fisher Fisher's lawyer, James
• 2:26:51
  James Dempsey. Where his lawyer was James
• 2:26:57
  Dempsey. Sorry for slurring my words.
• 2:27:00
  Daddy. Dempsey name's Dempsey James.
• 2:27:10
  Dempsey. I'm here to.
• 2:27:13
  Represent. What a woman.
• 2:27:16
  You just give her a little slap. Anyways, name's Dempsey.
• 2:27:23
  So I thought he was a doctor maybe.
• 2:27:25
  Never mind. So Dempsey said that his
• 2:27:28
  client's final statement, so right.
• 2:27:32
  This amounted to several pages of handwritten notes that Fish
• 2:27:35
  apparently penned in the hours just prior to his death.
• 2:27:38
  When pressed by the assembled journalists to reveal the
• 2:27:41
  document's contents, Dempsey refused, stating I will never
• 2:27:45
  show it to anyone. It was the most filthy string of
• 2:27:48
  obscenities I have ever read. So even down to like the his
• 2:27:52
  last few hours, he enjoyed writing these kind of fucked up
• 2:27:57
  things. Obviously he was.
• 2:27:58
  Like. Infesting his Yeah, so not cool.
• 2:28:04
  It's just the way he described anything.
• 2:28:07
  I'm like, all right, OK, there's not really a positive way to
• 2:28:11
  receive a letter describing how your loved one has been
• 2:28:15
  murdered. Like there isn't, but it's like
• 2:28:19
  he. Just.
• 2:28:20
  Had. To.
• 2:28:23
  As vulgar and disgusting as he could make it is how it had to
• 2:28:27
  be. Like he, I don't know.
• 2:28:32
  I just, I don't know. I like, it's like, it's not like
• 2:28:36
  I'm kind of looking at it like I'm not, but like I'm also kind
• 2:28:42
  of AM. Is that it's just that you have
• 2:28:43
  murders like say, Ramirez, whoever the fuck we've dealt
• 2:28:47
  with, they murder, they move on. It's something to me that a
• 2:28:52
  letter and the fucking description and whatever, it's
• 2:28:57
  just me. It's so much more evil and just
• 2:29:02
  brutal than someone who's just like, yeah, they were home.
• 2:29:06
  You know what I mean? It's like that, that that line
• 2:29:09
  in the Strangers where they, they break in and they have the
• 2:29:12
  mask and like why you're doing this?
• 2:29:13
  They go because you're home. It's not, it's not like an
• 2:29:18
  active, like they're picking that person.
• 2:29:21
  They're just like, oh, here's a fucking house in the middle of
• 2:29:23
  nowhere. Their home.
• 2:29:24
  There's no security around the house.
• 2:29:26
  It's obviously just a couple. Let's fuck.
• 2:29:28
  That up. Hold on, how are you linking
• 2:29:30
  that to these layers? It's the no, I'm not linking it.
• 2:29:34
  I'm just saying it's the fact that it's so planned and
• 2:29:37
  calculated and just poetic in their head that it's like, it's
• 2:29:42
  not like, yeah, yeah, it's just like.
• 2:29:44
  It's it's kind of more after a fact with this Albert Fish lads.
• 2:29:47
  Yeah, exactly. He kind of romanticizes what he
• 2:29:50
  done with these letters, I suppose.
• 2:29:51
  That's yeah. And that's a huge thing with
• 2:29:54
  like the Strangers movies, and I fucking love them.
• 2:29:57
  But the whole tagline is why you're doing this, because you
• 2:30:01
  were home. It was a mindless killing.
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  It was just like, they didn't fucking stalk this person.
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  They didn't have like, any care or interest.
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  That was it. And then you just have Albert
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  Fish who picked his victims, do you know what I mean?
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  And like went to visit their family home.
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  And like took. Them away from their front like
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  it's just, yeah, I thought it's like a better thing to just.
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  I don't. Know if he was as calculated as
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  as you're giving him credit to be because like, I think he was
• 2:30:32
  kind of playing it by ear a lot like a lot of these times when
• 2:30:35
  he actually got chased away by victims or he was picking kids
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  off the show. They kind of.
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  Hit their own. I think with grace Bud, he he, I
• 2:30:44
  think he picked her out already and that's when he.
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  Like no, he didn't he say because he even he said it
• 2:30:50
  himself, like with with he was he was responding to Edward's
• 2:30:54
  letter and he was going to take Edward away and chop.
• 2:30:55
  He he had a house in wisteria that he was planning on bringing
• 2:30:59
  Edward to. And then it was only when he met
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  Grace on the day that he was like, I'm that's I'm changing my
• 2:31:04
  mind and that's who I'm going to get now.
• 2:31:05
  I'm going to get Grace Bud inside of.
• 2:31:07
  This Edward. But yeah, let's end it here.
• 2:31:12
  I'm going to cry. So attended here.
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  Well, that's. That's the end of it.
• 2:31:18
  There's, I'm fucking, I'm upset, No.
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  No, no, I mean like honestly. Like.
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  This is. You are you're, you're bad at
• 2:31:28
  the the graphic details, aren't you?
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  You don't. You don't do well with it.
• 2:31:35
  Well, like again, I'm, I kind of can distance myself a little bit
• 2:31:41
  when it's kind of like a when when it's kind of laid out in
• 2:31:48
  front of you. But the problem with the likes
• 2:31:50
  of of Albert Fish and Ramirez is that they're kind of made things
• 2:31:56
  so kind of graphically personal as well.
• 2:31:59
  You know what I mean? Like when when it came to when
• 2:32:02
  it came to Ramirez, the kind of the stuff that he did to like
• 2:32:09
  elderly victims and stuff like that, you know, like if I heard
• 2:32:11
  in the street that like, you know, another CEO got fucking
• 2:32:15
  butchered up or whatever like that, probably like, yeah, OK,
• 2:32:18
  another one bites the dust. But it's the fact that like it's
• 2:32:21
  the victims itself. And the same with his Albert
• 2:32:23
  Fish lab when he picked on like the kind of physically impaired,
• 2:32:27
  mentally impaired, you know, fucking young kids, like and
• 2:32:32
  then talked about is in such graphic delight with himself,
• 2:32:37
  you know, like talking about like the kids and stuff like
• 2:32:39
  that. He can't really deal with that
• 2:32:41
  as well as, you know, like fucking to be honest with you,
• 2:32:44
  I'd much rather be doing fucking podcast this week on like the
• 2:32:49
  fucking Evansville's hot for the fucking gun you.
• 2:32:55
  Know what I mean Like. Like give me give me.
• 2:33:01
  Some contact contact Oshi next week so we can do some fucking
• 2:33:05
  aliens but like this? He wants to do.
• 2:33:09
  I I the. What were?
• 2:33:11
  We going to do that last time? There's something to do with
• 2:33:15
  aliens? Oh what the fuck?
• 2:33:19
  Up to remove you. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:22
  And I was going to be. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:23
  Hey. And he was like, no, I haven't
• 2:33:25
  had enough time to prepare. I was like, you don't have to.
• 2:33:27
  Fucking prepare. Like, what the fuck did you
• 2:33:30
  think this is like a professional podcast?
• 2:33:32
  But yeah, I will get him on. I will.
• 2:33:34
  Get. Him I will.
• 2:33:37
  Ask him. But yes, so I've given, I've
• 2:33:40
  given you a true crime this week.
• 2:33:42
  So next week we're going to do something silly.
• 2:33:44
  We have to. We have to and we will, and like
• 2:33:47
  this. This is what worries me about
• 2:33:49
  myself is that I don't, I'm reading this out and I'm like,
• 2:33:55
  like, I'm like if your teacher calls on you to read a chapter
• 2:33:59
  in Macbeth, that's how I feel about your crime these days.
• 2:34:02
  I just might. My horror bone is dead
• 2:34:06
  basically, and none of it kind of gets to me anymore.
• 2:34:12
  So I do understand that it can get to a normal person.
• 2:34:16
  So we will do fun stuff next time, I promise.
• 2:34:21
  But again, we said this in the start of the episode.
• 2:34:25
  You can leave it actually, Alex calling on you and your your
• 2:34:29
  gorgeous Greek Scouse God accent.
• 2:34:33
  Can you please leave a disclaimer at the start to be
• 2:34:38
  like, if you don't like hearing about child murder, that would
• 2:34:43
  be great. Thank you, love you.
• 2:34:44
  Bye. The preceding episode was filled
• 2:34:50
  with murder and death and cannibalism.
• 2:34:53
  Please don't have listened to it.
• 2:34:55
  No kids involved, it's fine. People get weird with kids.
• 2:35:00
  I'm. Like.
• 2:35:02
  They're just shorter victims. It's fine, whatever.
• 2:35:07
  Fucking hell. That being said, ladies and
• 2:35:10
  gentlemen, this has been hocus pocus lack of focus.
• 2:35:17
  I've been just the She's been fucking horrible.
• 2:35:25
  I've been just the. She's been Danny, thanks for
• 2:35:31
  hanging out with us for a. Story Sign off If you rate US
• 2:35:34
  lower than five stars, I'm going to come to your fucking house
• 2:35:39
  and I'm going to beat this shit out of your grandmother.
• 2:35:41
  How is that? How is that?
• 2:35:44
  That's probably not helping our stars.
• 2:35:45
  Five stars or nothing. Your grandma can't even walk.
• 2:35:49
  She's got fluid around her knee. Let's see what happens, Danny.
• 2:35:52
  For two hours, 40 minutes in, you're treating.
• 2:35:55
  You're treating. I have four people who aren't
• 2:35:58
  actually. Let's see what happens.
• 2:36:00
  Let's see what happens. Hey everybody, goodbye.
• 2:36:02
  Goodbye.