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Mac & Bone Hour 1: Brandon Miller Gets Paid & Dave Canales Audio · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: You guys are the most entertaining sports program in the world. No, no,
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: stop twerking. You and I are a couple eating, like
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Lady and the Tramp. You're the lady on the tramp. Yeah,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: come on. Come on, baby. I wish I was Boopie.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Boopie McClain, man. That's a great name. All aboard! We'll
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: be right back. Good morning, Charlotte. Welcome aboard.
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  Speaker 2: It is Mac and Bone radio showtime on a Tuesday.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Panthers still with a game and a half lead in
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: the NFC South. And we got so much Panthers conversations
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  Speaker 2: to have. Dave Canales addresses the fact that he is
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  Speaker 2: pretty close to having to make a decision on who
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: the starting tackles are for this football team when Monroe
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: Freeling is healthy, whatever a Whatever I'm trying to say,
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: we will talk about that on the show. How damn
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  Speaker 2: good is Bryce Young playing compared to his peers? We
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  Speaker 2: will discuss that. I'm sure that will be a fun,
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: lively conversation. And we've got to salute the Ironman of
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  Speaker 2: long snappers. All time in the history of the sport, J.J. Jansen,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, America's long snapper at 8 o'clock today,
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  Speaker 2: two days after setting the long snapper games played record.
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  Speaker 2: He said he wants no praise, Bone.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to discuss the team, but we are not
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  Speaker 1: going to let him get off that easy. Good morning, Mac. Mac, you,
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  Speaker 1: as an Orioles fan, you lived and died Cal Ripken Jr.
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  Speaker 1: 's streak. Where does this compare? J.J. 's long snapping
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  Speaker 1: streak in games played versus Cal Ripken's?
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  Speaker 2: I believe he might have just passed Cal. I believe
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  Speaker 2: this Sunday might have done it for me.
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  Speaker 1: He should have done a lap around the field. A
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  Speaker 1: lap around the field. With Bill Clayton watching.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want the adulation bone, which means we're going
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  Speaker 2: to give him a lot of adulation, and I'm hoping
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  Speaker 2: the texters do as well.
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  Speaker 1: You got to play simply the best, Fitty, when he
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  Speaker 1: comes on. Yes, put that on the grid, Fitty. Make
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  Speaker 1: him feel as awkward as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Put that on the schedule, baby. Simply the best. Pull
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  Speaker 2: a little Tina Turner up for us.
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  Speaker 1: No disrespect to Trey Junkin, but you got passed, my man.
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  Speaker 1: Move over, Trey Junkin. You got passed. I can't believe.
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  Speaker 1: I have to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: If you were to ask me about that before last week,
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  Speaker 2: I would have said he already has that record.
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  Speaker 1: I was shocked that another long snapper did it that long. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was too.
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  Speaker 2: He is, Bone, he is very close to moving into
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  Speaker 2: the top 20 all-time in games played. Him and Calais
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  Speaker 2: Campbell both are very close to moving into the top 20.
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  Speaker 2: And if they both play through next season, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to Matt curse JJ here, but we're talking top
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  Speaker 2: 10 all-time in games played.
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  Speaker 1: Royalty, baby. Ironman royalty. And the fact that he did
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  Speaker 1: it in Philadelphia, JJ was playing there, Matt, before they
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  Speaker 1: put the Liberty Bell in. So that's how long he's
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  Speaker 1: been going up there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well played, Boney. Well played, sir. So anyway, that's coming
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  Speaker 1: up at 8 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Person is going to join us today on our
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  Speaker 2: weekly visit with Adam Gold as well. So we get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things happening. Brandon Miller gets paid. I
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  Speaker 2: guess that's where we should start. Brandon Miller, minutes before
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  Speaker 2: the deadline at 6 p.m. yesterday to get an extension done.
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  Speaker 2: If not, it's got to wait until the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: And he gets five years off.
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  Speaker 2: $ 209 million, $ 41. 8 million per year. It is not a
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  Speaker 2: coincidence that he ends up with a million dollars total
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  Speaker 2: more than Amen Thompson. That is definitely not a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: His camp, by all accounts, wanted him to be the
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  Speaker 2: second highest paid dude from his draft class of this
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  Speaker 2: extension group.
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  Speaker 1: There's seven of them.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, you can't get up to Wemby territory, but he
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  Speaker 2: ends up in that number two spot. And this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a big conversation today, Bone, how much
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  Speaker 2: people believe that he can stay healthy, make strides in
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  Speaker 2: his game, and become that sort of dude, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, that is worth this contract.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just scratching the surface for who and what
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  Speaker 1: he can be. Some guys' contracts can be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. Some guys get paid for what they've done,
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  Speaker 1: and some guys get paid for what they think they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be. And Brandon Miller, not that he's not
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  Speaker 1: done stuff, but there's still another level to get to.
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  Speaker 1: Without Melo, there's a leadership element there that's going to grow,
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  Speaker 1: and more on him. in terms of being the guy,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's well-earned. Mack, we could have, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think about it because we were in, we had
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  Speaker 1: a long station meeting yesterday at the arena where we
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  Speaker 1: were doing like a sponsor, like a lot of sponsors
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  Speaker 1: were out there, and it was like a season tip-off event,
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  Speaker 1: like FNZ, the Hornets, and the sponsors. And when we
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  Speaker 1: got there, I forget who pointed it out, you were
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  Speaker 1: in the area, but Brandon Miller walked by the room
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  Speaker 1: we were in with Jeff Peterson. And someone said, I
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  Speaker 1: wonder what they're talking about. And then Shams came on
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  Speaker 1: NBA Live an hour later and said they're in deep discussions. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: we could have beat Shams to the punch yesterday. If
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  Speaker 1: we were on our game yesterday, we could have reported
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  Speaker 1: to Shams. Shams, take this, buddy. Brandon Miller is talking
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  Speaker 1: to Jeff Peterson right now in the hallway. That's how
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  Speaker 1: deep they are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was P-Man texted us a video
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  Speaker 2: of them walking in that hallway where we were on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right on the other side of glass windows.
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  Speaker 2: there's probably a pretty good chance they were walking to
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  Speaker 2: sign that deal. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was happening right there.
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  Speaker 2: And like the great newsmen we are, we were completely
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  Speaker 2: oblivious to it. Bone was more curious with how he
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  Speaker 2: gets over to where the pretzel bites were than he
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  Speaker 2: was about whether or not the extension was being signed.
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  Speaker 1: Watching Willie work the room and the food area was
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  Speaker 1: like watching an all-time greatness element yesterday. And not shocking anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Came over with thoughts on Borson Cheese. He had a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on. He was the first one to the food. Twice.
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  Speaker 2: He got there twice before everybody else did. He was
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  Speaker 2: up 2-0 early on. Yeah, he was up 2-0. Put
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  Speaker 2: two runs up at the top of the first.
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  Speaker 1: How were the pretzel bites, Bone? Were they adequate? I
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  Speaker 1: never ate yesterday there. Bone never got over to them.
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  Speaker 2: Bone could not figure out how to not disrupt the
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  Speaker 2: meeting and get over to the pretzel bites.
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  Speaker 1: It was a two-fold problem, Fiddy. I couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 1: logistically how to get around over there. And also... If
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  Speaker 1: I did go the other way, I knew someone was
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  Speaker 1: going to call me out for being the guy that's
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  Speaker 1: going to. So I just decided it's not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Right in the middle of this presentation, Bone coming back. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: our boss Marsha said feel free to go over and
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  Speaker 2: get some snacks, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. She invited you over to get snacks. We were–
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  Speaker 1: Mac had his shirt and tie on yesterday. I had
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  Speaker 1: a blazer and a– I had a blazer and like a–
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a tie, but I had the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the ensemble on. People are so completely stunned. When
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  Speaker 1: you and I don't dress like homeless people. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say. When you get that reaction.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, some people didn't even recognize me without
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  Speaker 2: a hat and, you know, without the homeless attire.
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  Speaker 1: But nothing. Respectfully. Nothing lets you know.
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  Speaker 2: How poorly you dress on a day-to-day basis when people
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  Speaker 2: have utter shock that you have put on a dress
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  Speaker 2: shirt and tie. And that's what I felt yesterday, like
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  Speaker 2: utter shock at what I was wearing.
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  Speaker 1: Hornets PR maven Mike Gristaldi, longtime friend, he could not,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, forget the presentation, he could not believe what
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  Speaker 1: we were wearing. He would stop me and say, you
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  Speaker 1: got to wear this more. You got to wear this more.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Mike, let's settle down here, all right? Let's
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  Speaker 1: not get crazy. I told people, don't get used to
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  Speaker 1: this one. This is it for the year. Unless you're
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  Speaker 1: getting married or someone died, don't expect too much out
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  Speaker 1: of me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So while we were over there, I think it was happening.
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  Speaker 2: I think Brandon Miller was getting his extension. Deadline spurn action.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: Deadline spurn deals. You talk about that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: They make deals happen. And this was clearly the case.
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  Speaker 2: Miller wanted to get up over Amen Thompson. The Hornets
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get it done but certainly didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: just give it away and give in. I am curious
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  Speaker 2: to see if it's polarizing among fans because I have
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  Speaker 2: seen polarizing stuff on social media. But social media could
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  Speaker 2: be polarizing as to whether or not the sun is
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  Speaker 2: bright and the sky is blue.
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  Speaker 1: I think the polarizing part of it, I think those
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  Speaker 1: that are still not over– The Mellow deal, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to put a lot on Brandon Miller. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of those type of things. Like
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  Speaker 1: if Brandon Miller doesn't have a great game night one,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're going to see that portion of the
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  Speaker 1: fan base that's still angry at Jeff Peterson for trading Mellow.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be on Brandon Miller. I think that'll be what happens. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really see the link.
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  Speaker 2: I saw people saying, I guess because they both have
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  Speaker 2: had injuries, but I saw people saying, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: trade LaMelo, but you're going to give Brandon this deal.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the injuries are the link. You don't believe
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  Speaker 1: in him. Brandon's got a higher ceiling for what they
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  Speaker 1: want to do than LaMelo does. I think quite honestly.
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  Speaker 2: For this organization right now. I think they think he
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  Speaker 2: has Hornets DNA, and I don't think they think LaMelo
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  Speaker 2: had Hornets DNA.
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  Speaker 1: Great way to put it. I think they think LaMelo
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  Speaker 1: balls a knucklehead.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think they think he is a leader
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  Speaker 2: and a guy that they're that they would, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that would lead them to major success. I just going
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with it. And I can understand why
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  Speaker 2: they would think that. I also am curious.
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  Speaker 1: Con and Brandon have a dog mentality to their personalities.
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  Speaker 1: And there's something with them. You're right. DNA is the
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  Speaker 1: right word. There's something in there where there's a toughness.
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  Speaker 1: There's a. I'm not trying to just completely disparage LaMelo,
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  Speaker 1: but the two guys they're handing the franchise to in
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  Speaker 1: some ways are built differently than LaMelo is.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, this group did not bring LaMelo in. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? I think you can understand. His value
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  Speaker 2: got up to a certain point, and they said bye.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't think that's a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: I think they wanted his value at a certain point,
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  Speaker 2: and they wanted to say bye. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: discount LaMelo because I was just getting ready to say, Bone,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to learn tomorrow night, like post-LaMelo. There is
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  Speaker 2: a serious concern I have of a creation void and
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: a creativity void, because I think it's it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was taken for granted how much easier he made things
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  Speaker 2: for everybody else offensively. You know, those on off numbers
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  Speaker 2: offensively were not a coincidence. It happened over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: the dramatic drop off. It really did. Although Kobe white,
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  Speaker 2: his on off numbers, even with Lamello off the floor,
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  Speaker 2: we're pretty damn good to offensively. So anyway, we've got
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: the Hornets season start tomorrow. We got worried about health already.
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  Speaker 2: So the season's officially here. We got this Brandon Miller
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  Speaker 2: contract to talk about. And what is his ceiling? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: because clearly he is being paid, as you said, bone
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  Speaker 2: for what he, they think he's going to become. I
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: know Vladimir Guerrero, Bone, thinks he'll give you $ 500 million
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  Speaker 2: and you don't have to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: You earned it and you passed.
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  Speaker 2: But I think everybody understands, young player in the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: came out as a one-and-done, that this is, we believe
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: you're going to be one of the key cogs as
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: we build, how do they put it, Bone?
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  Speaker 1: The premier.
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  Speaker 2: Sports and entertainment franchise is what their thing is. Do
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: want to mention the games from last night, Bone. Washington
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  Speaker 2: gets an attaboy. Washington gets an attaboy for fighting in
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  Speaker 2: this game and keeping me awake later than I really
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: wanted to be. I really wanted Washington to get their
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: doors blown off.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest. And just call it a night. Our
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: schedule was different yesterday. I did fall asleep when the
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  Speaker 1: Niners got up big. So I missed, I saw it
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  Speaker 1: today on this morning, but I did not see it
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  Speaker 1: live of what was going on. It was 20 to
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  Speaker 1: three at the half.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, it just looks like, and Dan Quinn's
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  Speaker 2: talking about getting back into the game and the halftime interview.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking you, yeah, you got no chance to get
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  Speaker 1: back into this game. And they did.
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  Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels ended up doing a lot of good things,
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  Speaker 2: 300 yards passing, two touchdowns and no picks. But the
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  Speaker 2: game ended with, with two plays of him under pressure and,
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  Speaker 2: won him a grounding penalty as they tried to drive
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  Speaker 2: for a touchdown. And the other play, Boehm, was a sack.
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  Speaker 2: That was the final game, the final play. So the Niners'
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  Speaker 2: defense finished it off, even though they almost blew this lead.
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  Speaker 2: They held on. They're 6-0. And the Commanders dropped to 1-4-1.
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  Speaker 2: And with that loss for Washington, Boehm, And again, I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you, that NFC East is worse than the damn South.
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  Speaker 2: I firmly believe it deep inside my bones and my
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  Speaker 2: loins and wherever you can believe things.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway. I'll take your word for it. They bony.
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  Speaker 2: The NFC East has become the first division since the
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  Speaker 2: merger to lose all their games in back-to-back weeks. Think
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: about this, y'all. All the NFC South ineptitude and clowning
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  Speaker 2: we've done of our division.
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  Speaker 1: They never did that. Congrats to the NFC East. We
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: are now on, by the way, Terry McClure in significant
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: knee injury. Ah, they look terrible, man. Looks like he's probably,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, just a guess. He's not coming back. We're
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: now on Dan Quinn watch as well. Will he take
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: the fall for this? He had a viral moment last
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  Speaker 1: night where it looked like he was mouthing that he
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: was confused that it was four down. Thought they had
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: another play. Thought he had another play. Then they asked
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  Speaker 1: about it in the postgame, about his viral moment and
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  Speaker 1: what was going on. He denied it. It just feels like...
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  Speaker 1: Feels like the Dan Quinn time is coming to an
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  Speaker 1: end here. Well, I know this. It's amazing how quickly
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  Speaker 1: things turn. Two years ago, they had a phenomenal year
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  Speaker 1: with Jane Daniels as a rookie where it looked like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God, they are going to be the– the Kings
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  Speaker 1: of that division here for a while. And it just
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  Speaker 1: fell apart.
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  Speaker 2: Not for long league boning, not for long. Nothing's guaranteed
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  Speaker 2: man in this league at all.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: Um, uh, so again, that's why we enjoy being three
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  Speaker 2: and two.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing is guaranteed in this league. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, uh, Quinn may think maybe
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  Speaker 2: telling you he knew what down it was. Did Jane
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  Speaker 2: Daniels know what down it was? Cause dude threw the
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  Speaker 2: football away on fourth down. At about the 12-yard line.
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  Speaker 1: Most confused he's been since last week.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the tie-in. It's like, is this dude really?
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  Speaker 2: He did a lot of good things last night. But
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: does this dude just lack some serious freaking game awareness? Now,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. I watched Bryce do that. Was
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: it last year or the year before? I watched Bryce
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  Speaker 2: throw a ball.
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  Speaker 1: Away on fourth down. It's like, really? Really? Feel free
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  Speaker 1: to force it.
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  Speaker 2: But then this year we saw Bryce, one of his
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: two interceptions, was at the end of the half against
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  Speaker 2: the Bears. And he realized, I just got to force
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  Speaker 2: this down here. If I throw a pick, who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Time's about to run out in the half.
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  Speaker 1: To show you it was a tale of two halves, really,
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy had 214 yards in the first half passing.
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  Speaker 1: He had 264 for the game. Mike Evans had 90
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  Speaker 1: yards receiving at halftime. He had 90. He left. He
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  Speaker 1: left with that injury. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's why.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That Achilles injury, which is not something to be. I
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  Speaker 1: was wondering why he had 90 when I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 1: He had 94 for the game. All right. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: That's a concern for them. No doubt about it. And
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: he's basically questionable every week at this point. He's got
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: something going in every game. And it never matters. He
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: still balls the F out. It doesn't matter what his
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  Speaker 1: injuries are when he plays. He freaking plays, man.
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  Speaker 2: So, anyway, Tampa is in the World Series. Is America
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: excited about Milwaukee and Tampa Bay, baby? The Rays, 7-3
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  Speaker 2: winners over Cleveland last night to advance to the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: The number one viral thing from this moment will be
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: one of my what the bleeps, Boney.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. There's something that happened inside that stadium. I saw it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, last night that I believe is more interesting than I,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I just, I know I'm far
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: from captain baseball, Mr. Baseball, Johnny baseball. I'm none of
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: those things, right? Donnie baseball. I'm not that either. Maggie baseball.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I just, I really, if they told me. that the
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: World Series was not going to be televised, I would.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Say, all right. I get it, but I still think
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a lengthy– I think the games
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: itself will be good. I think it will be a
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: seven-game series. It's the two best teams all year. They
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: deserve to be there. I mean, yeah, I'm not saying I'm–
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go full Bob Uecker on every game here,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: but I think it will be a lengthy competitive series,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: and they are the two best teams all year. They're
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: just stylistically different than all the teams are these days.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They're built in a way.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: They're a baseball guy's baseball team. This is not the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: launching Yankees and the Dodgers and the way they play.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: They're just... Both these teams are old school. And listen,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest baseball fan in the world. I mean,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I would live and die with every pitch if my
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: team's in it. But otherwise, then I'll jump on the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Braves wagon and curse them, Boney.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And then at that point, I just... I'm not going
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: to be that day. Now, if they get to a
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: game seven, I can lock in. Oh, that's that's you're
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: not keeping Mackey out of a game seven until then.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking TV, too. And some of these
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: football days ain't making the TV.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. But I do think it will
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: be at least a series that goes. I can't see
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it going less than six. I think this thing's going
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Although if you're a baseball fan, watch it because you
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: had nothing's guaranteed for next year. When it comes to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the labor deal, we don't know if we're going to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: have a season next season. I do want to mention, Bone,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the AP college basketball poll is out. Number one, Florida,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: with all they have coming back, is not surprising. Bone's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Duke Blue Devils, number two. only three ACC schools unless
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I miss somebody I believe there was four was there
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: four I got Virginia at nine I got Miami at
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: 14 Louisville's in there Louisville okay Louisville that makes sense
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I missed them because yeah they
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: got it they they bought they bought that ranking you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: know I mean they they paid for that ranking they
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: would ask for a refund bone if they did not
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: get ranked yes in the preseason Duke two I just
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: want to double check Duke two Virginia nine Louisville 11
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: The look Miami 14, the look on 50s face gas again,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the look on 50s face.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: When I brought up the AP top 25 ball was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: one of like, do you want to be under the radar?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: He might be confused. It's out. Hey, my Tar Heel
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: fans might not know it's out, but you did that already. Yeah.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I thought they were going to back their way into
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: the top 25 because of their name. I watched that
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: team play on Sunday. They're not a top 25 team.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think the AP voters paid $ 9 to watch
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: them and then decided they're not worthy?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Is that what you think happened on Sunday night?
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think so, but it's a good thing for
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the league without Carolina. The four of the top 14?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: It tells you the league is poised to have a
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: bounce back, or I guess built off the last year,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: where in a 76-team tournament field, the league should put
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: at least eight teams into the tournament. No, you're right.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Also, congrats to Kansas on signing prize freshman recruit 42-year-old
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Trey Kaufman-Wren yesterday, Matt. That was a big deal for
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Kansas yesterday. And he plays college basketball. October 19th, they
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: get an All-American from the past on their roster. That's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the state of college basketball. Who was drafted. That's a
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: huge deal for them, man. That is massive. What are
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: we doing? And he's going to be eligible? Yeah. Or
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: for now? For now, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, stay tuned.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned to a local court near you. Triple got
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: into Louisville again. So that, that saga is still going on.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: For now, for now, these things are fluid, man. When
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: we come back on the Mac and bone show, a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: lot of Panther stuff, Dave Canales on Timo and taking
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: accountability for the end of the half situation on Sunday. Plus,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: we have more impressive Panther numbers in a segment we're
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: calling More Impressive Panther Numbers. Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. Great.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, coming into it, it wasn't a
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: matter of fitness. It's just like football fitness, right? And
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: when people are leaning on you, you get the power rushes,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: the run game, all those things, and it starts to accumulate.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: That's always the concern when guys come back when they
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: haven't played a lot of football. But the strength staff,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: the training staff, they had him really strong, really fit
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: coming into it, and I was happy he was able
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: to finish the whole game.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Coach Canales giving you the update on Timo coming out
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: real nice from his return to football action. Played 79 snaps,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: all the offensive snaps the other day. A couple of pressures, according.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to pff but seemed like a pretty damn solid game
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: bone it was nice to have the dude he's a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: stabilizer on the offensive line him and damian lewis even
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: though damian somehow gave up five pressures according to pff
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: not his.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Best game in robert hunt three wanderings down the field
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but um i think moten and lewis are the stabilizers
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: on that o-line It's amazing that Moten can go through
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what he went through and come back and just do
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: what he does and just be as solid as ever.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's like riding a bike, I guess. He
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: gets back out there, he knows what to do, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: time off didn't affect him. He's just so steady. It's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: not spectacular, but it's steady. And it's so good consistently
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: over and over again. And guys like that often get
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: underappreciated and underrated. And I say all the time, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: think he is way up there on the Panther all-time
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: list of underrated players. And he did it on his birthday?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: That's true. And we want to say today. That's true.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: We want to say two days later, happy birthday to Taylor.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. As another one, apparently, according to the Panthers
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: locker room. Oh, my gosh.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we're going to talk about it next hour. Canales,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: we'll let you know what Canales had to say. Canales
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: had some interesting comments to the question of, hey, if
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Monroe Freeling's healthy this week, who starts at the tackles?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that coming up at 745.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It is an interesting quandary. Canales pointed out in that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: discussion that Rasheed Walker had his best game as a Panther,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and I don't disagree. They ran the ball over and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: over again, seven-plus yards per carry off left tackle and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: left end. And he also, Bone, only allowed one pressure.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And it was a game where I did not even
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: notice him in pass pro.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. And unfortunately, I've noticed him a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: lot in pass pro this season for the wrong reasons. Yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: so Timo comes in. He's the guy on the right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Walker and Freeling now on the left side. I mean,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: if Walker's going to be like that, let Freeling be
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the swing guy, I guess, for now until he fully
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: takes it over down the line. But, I mean, if
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Walker's going to– that's what we said in the offseason.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: If Walker can just– Be good. That's what they need
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: over there. And that's really the first time you could
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: say for a full game, he's been good the whole
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: way through. We'll talk about it at 745.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It was interesting that Alex Zetlow from The Observer asked
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the question about right tackle. Who's going to play right
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: tackle when Freeling comes back? I thought that was kind
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of an interesting way of phrasing the question. You're going
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to hear what Dave had to say about it. But
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: it's a good problem to have, though. Good problem to have.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Dave dropped a quote, too, an all-time quote that his
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: father used to tell him all the time about having options.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And you're going to hear that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: It wasn't about beating Duke as a child, was it?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: No, that's little Billy, not little Davey. Little Billy wanted
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to beat Duke.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a little paranoid about what these guys have for
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: their dreams right now.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: God, the fact that he beat Duke. I know you
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: did not want him to have that honor. Anyway, I'm sorry, bud.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Stay focused here, man. They got an exhibition game tonight.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's hear some more Dave Canales. Let's appreciate
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Tommy Tremble. I know that yesterday I deemed Tommy Tremble
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: appreciation day bone, but I have since seen more viral
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: clips of his blocks the other day. What he did
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to Cooper Dejean is a felony in 48 states. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: they couldn't have... Knocked him out of his Dejeans. I mean, dude,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: he just... And they thought the point was offensive. I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: he just buried him into the ground. with his entire weight.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But anyway, this was Dave Canales talking, not just about
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy Tremble, but the growth of this tight end room
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in general.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, for Tommy, you know, it was like for
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: a year and a half was just kind of figuring
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: out these different things that were happening in his body. And,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: and they all, they all, you know, the whole training staff,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Tommy himself, you know, really, really dove into that. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: just so he could be out there and just playing,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: it was never about toughness. It was never about his preparation.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: There was also just chemistry, he and Bryce, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: finding ways to build that, build that me-to-you factor. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I'm happy for Tommy. I'm so happy that he was
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: able to come away with that and help his team
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: that way. But he's a consistent guy. He's shown up
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: that way. And I think this is just the growth
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: of a relationship with the quarterback who trusts him. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: all the other stuff has been there as far as
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: just the toughness and the versatility and as a staff
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: continuing to find ways to use him.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Bone, I'm sitting here laughing during the clip. It has
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the clip. I love it, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: we should all appreciate Tommy Trammell. I didn't know what
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was going on. Can I say something funny about it?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: He's a dog, man. He is a dog, and he'll
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: make plays in the receiving game. It was a quiet
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: game for Waller, but I would expect that's not going
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to last for long. I just like this group and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: how they compliment each other. As far as why I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: was laughing, sometimes, Bone, I will not. I'll be so
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: concerned with, okay, where am I taking the show? What
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: are we doing next? I won't catch your jokes. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I did not realize what you said about knocking him
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: out of his jeans until the cut started playing. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: then I really took a moment to appreciate the silliness
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I like that. I thought it was a terrible joke
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: because you didn't say anything. Then I laughed at myself
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to try to bring it back to try to. Emphasize
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the joke. I got nothing on that one. I gave
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it to you. I was on a delay. I got
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to be honest. I thought my microphone might be on
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: for a second. I may be on a delay today, Bo.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So just hang tight. Give it about 20 minutes and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you'll see if your joke was good. There you go. Oh, man.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, let's lock back in here, baby. I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: really funny about... 3% of the time. I should really
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: listen to you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I should really just make sure I listen to you
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: before I worry about what I'm going to say next.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: The role that you're in when you are the conductor,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: when you're driving the car, it is a different thing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: where you're trying to move things along. So it's no problem.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I get to sit here and just react a lot.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You know how many times that we'll get a text
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and someone's like, Bone, that joke about such and such
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was so funny.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And during the break, I have to ask you what
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you said. I'm like, oh, shoot. I was worried about
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: moving the show. We say so many things and have
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: said stuff for so long, though. People will say something
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that I said, and I don't remember ever saying those
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: things also. It's just there are so many words that
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: come out of our mouth and so many cheesy things.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I can't keep up with what I said. Y'all are
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: really listening to us. I forget what we did yesterday.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Not that I'm not paying attention. There are so many
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: things in the moment to think about. I forget stuff.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Y'all are really listening. Well, let's all listen to each
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: other now and Coach Canales. We should listen to each
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: other now and Coach Canales.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Let's have the conversation, Bone, about the way the end
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of the first half played out. Because we were able
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to get the win, so we don't have to do
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: it in really a salty fashion. But for Dave Bone
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to be able to, we thought, better manage game situations
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and timeouts and time management because he doesn't have to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: worry about what play I'm calling next. In that context,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: what do we think about the way the first half ended?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: This is what Coach Canales said about it yesterday.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I would love to have a touchdown or points out
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: of that drive. Our philosophy end of half is score
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: or end with the ball. The ball goes rolling out.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: We're in a fourth and one and a half. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: just wish I could have been clearer and it could
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: have been smoother for Bryce to understand what was happening
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: in that mode. We could have been more aggressive, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: coming off of that first, that earned first down. So
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: I take that on myself. Just you guys remember what happened?
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: All of a sudden we're like inside the five yard
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: line on a couple of things. We overcame that. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: then we got that first first down. We got to
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: be aggressive right there. Brad, Brad was ready to go.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Bryce was ready to go. And I was still sitting
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: here with all this time, and I slowed us down
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: in that process. We got to just go. And we're
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: comfortable with that. We're comfortable operating with time. I don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: take timeouts until under a minute before the half. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: there wasn't a thought to use any of those timeouts
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: earlier on. The speed of play could have been better.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: I could have helped that and gotten out of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: guy's way that way. And I hate to be in
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: the way of what I know we can be in
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: the aggressive mode. Once we got to that fourth and
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: one and a half situation right there, there's some things
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: you could do. But at the end of the day,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting there. I'm waiting for them to call. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: would have called a timeout if I was on the
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: other side. I would have forced us to have to
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: do something on fourth down so we can attack it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: We can go after it. it with the punt block
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: or if they're trying to go for it on offense,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: we can make an aggressive play and try to do something.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I was kind of looking, seeing. They didn't want to
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: do that. I knew we were going to come out
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: of the half with the ball, so we walked into
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: the half without them seeing it again, without them touching it,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: without our defense having to go out there. The end
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: result was a win. I can help being smoother.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: So, Bone, were you mad when it happened live? There
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: was a lot. And what do you think about his explanation?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: First of all, that was a very lengthy explanation where
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know something didn't go right at the end of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the half when it's that long. I was frustrated in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: general at that point, not just with the Panthers' execution.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: That was a part of the game where I thought
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the referees were heavily involved. That's why I said yesterday
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I couldn't wait for that half just to get over
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: with and everyone get to the locker room. That was a...
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That was a dreadful end of the half for all
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: those that were involved, the referees, the Panthers' execution. That
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: feels like the stuff there that we've avoided this year
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: so far, those end-of-the-half situations there, except for the— The
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Cleveland decision there at one point was weird, but it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: feels like Dave Canales has been more into the game
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: management stuff, and it hasn't been as big of an
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: issue as it was before. It felt like the other day,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that was old school chaos of why we wanted Dave
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Canales to get rid of the play calling to focus
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: on stuff like that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from that standpoint, that's why I said that context
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is important. You don't have to worry about the plays anymore.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I would not expect you to have regrets the day after.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: With that said, though, Bone, as weird as it was
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: where both teams just didn't call a timeout and said, yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we'll just catch you in the second half. And maybe
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: because of 17 combined penalties, Bone, maybe everybody had the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: half took like an hour and 45. Everybody had to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: go tinkle. And they just said, let's just go to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the bathroom, y'all. We've been out here for too long.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Definitely.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: But I don't have a huge problem with it because
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I think he was thinking of the Cleveland game. Like
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I said this yesterday, when they didn't go for it
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: on a couple of fourth downs and punted and played
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: field position, I think he was thinking of the Cleveland game.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: We're in this grinder defensive game. We've got them on
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a lock. Why do I need to risk giving them
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: this short field and giving them points? So I think
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that was part of it, where he's worried about if
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: we hurry up, try a fourth and one, fourth and
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: two play. We could turn the ball over to them
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: at the 50. Now, I will say this. That way
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of doing things is not going to work in other
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: type of games. I think you've got to be flexible.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he adjusted to the Cleveland-type game where
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: he should have played field position and not gone for
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: zone 40. But there are going to be games where
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: like you've got to be aggressive in situations like that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I don't expect that to be the norm. So I'm
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not like, oh, my God, what's going on there? They
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: feel like they've gotten better in those areas. It's things
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: will still happen within games. I don't I think that's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the exception to what it should be the norm going forward, though.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: But we do want to watch this because it is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: kind of like, bro, you're supposed to have this time
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: management on lock down.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You ain't calling plays anymore. He was thinking about his
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: post-game speech to get everybody involved.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Fitty, you were dancing around like you would in a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: victory dance, except you were fully clothed over there.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Did you agree with what we were saying? Is that
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: what you were doing over there? I thought your.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Point about the Cleveland game was really... was really spot
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: on because we both came away from that game thinking
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: if he doesn't go on those four downs, I think
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: they beat Cleveland, and now we're a 4-1 team. Also,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: the Eagles would have handled the end of half situation
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: a whole lot differently if they had trust and faith
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: in their quarterback. Like Smoke said it best, I thought.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: It was a game of chicken between which coach was
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: going to call a timeout first, and neither one did.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And it was just like, all right, we're just going
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: to go to the half.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: All right. You ain't calling what? Well, we ain't calling what.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: The good thing is that, Mac, that possession didn't come
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: back to be costly. Because had they managed that the
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: way that they did, and then they would have, let's
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: just say, got through, they would have lost the game.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: How different is the conversation around Dave Canals and his
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: game management situation? yesterday after big time after what happened
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: against cleveland so.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Big time and like bryce said they won the game
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: it worked out fine but bryce was pissed when it
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: happened he was like bro you ain't gonna put this
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: ball in my hands all the trust you've been showing
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: me you ain't gonna trust me here i do want
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to give you an update bone your defensive epa since
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: week one update we need a sponsor for this I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: going to keep doing this and keep triggering Averro, doubters
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and shouters, Bone. The last four games since the 59-point
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: full Luke Keekly on the board debacle against the Bears,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: they are third in total EPA and EPA per play, Bone.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: In the last four games.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I realize they have played a couple of backup quarterbacks
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: in there, and they played Deshaun Watson. They've definitely played
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff, too. I would also like to say the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: last two games have been played without our starting corners bone.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty damn good. I think they have
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: really turned things. I'm not saying they're the third-best defense
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, but I think that's a four-week sample
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: size of being pretty damn good on defense. I think
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: game one's an aberration. And I think it's going to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: prove to be at the end once it's all done.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It appears so. So I think back at some point
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: we're just going to have to remove. It still mattered.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: It still counted. But just remove that game and look
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: at what the defense has done since then. First of all,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: week one can be weird anyway. We've said that leading
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: up to week one. Not that the Bears offense isn't potent,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but I just wonder if we're going to have to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: almost like remove the worst– test score of the, uh,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of the semester at some point and just look at
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it from the other sample. That seems much more, uh, uh,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a sample of who they are than the first game.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to remove the worst and the best, right?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So it'll be like shutting down Atlanta's backup QBs and the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Game against the Bears. My poor teachers had a hell
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of a decision to make, by the way. Which worst
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: one did they take off the docket?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And they didn't have a best to take off. They
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: were really confused. Also, their EPA per rush bone, fifth
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: in that four-game span. But it's 25th for the season.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: because that's how horrible the run defense was in that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: first game. So things are looking up. Even without starting corners,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: knock on wood, things are looking up, man.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: When we come back here on the Mac Ambon Radio program,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: probably the college football stuff, Urban Meyer changes his tune
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: on NIL. Mike Norvell remains salty. Yes, the Gamecocks are
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: favored on Saturday, and we salute a Wolfpack legend. Sports
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Radio 92.7.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I misfired on the whole conversation about NIL and transfer portal.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I thought the rich would get richer. What it's done
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: is make parity in college football. I've talked to many
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: of my colleagues in the last couple of weeks and,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: you know, you flip on UCLA and then you flip
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: on Alabama. What's the difference? I don't know. I mean,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: one team runs a ball a little better and that's UCLA,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's amazing what has really happened to
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: the game of college football with the NIL and with
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: transfer portal.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: There you go. I agree 100%. I don't say that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: often when Urban Meyer gets to yapping bone, but that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer of Fox on with Colin Cowherd yesterday. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you watch, and we're probably going to have a conversation
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: about this in the next couple of days, the fact
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that they want to keep changing this sport so much.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and the sport is so awesome it produces days like Saturday. Like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: maybe a lot of this is right. Like, yeah, there
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: needs to be a little tighter regulation bone on the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: portal and the NIL and all that sort of stuff.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But the on-the-field product, I would argue, is the best
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it's ever been because of what Urban Meyer just said.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: The NIL money.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Has spread the talent out and it has created parody
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in a sport that I got to be honest with you, man,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: for basically my entire life has not really had parody
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and it has created it because.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Players don't stick around.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Five stars don't sit around and be backups. Five stars
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: go get that cheddar somewhere else and go start.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And it's just spread the talent around, man. Well, look
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State's situation, Mac, without Julian saying it. I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: know that the kid that is going to replace him
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: is a pretty prolific high school player, but there's not a...
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a veteran behind there that was going to be willing
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to sit behind a guy like Julian. Hardly anybody. That's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a good point. Hardly anybody has that stud back. It
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: was JT Barrett, Cardale. They had a pipeline. That's a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: good point. So now that's, that's one thing that has changed.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: The other thing is this. We are now on October 20th. Mac,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: for most of our life on October 20th, how many
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: teams would you say had legitimate chances in that format
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: in that day and age to win the national championship? Three,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: maybe four outside chances, probably two or three, maybe four.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: now we have no clue right now who is going
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to end up in the final four the championship game
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: we thought for sure georgia the other day and it
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: very well it might because this is the way it's
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: set up now you don't one loss doesn't kill you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: but right now we can sit here for hours and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: try to figure out who is our projections to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the final four teams in college football and it'll be
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: all different from all of us absolutely sky and i
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: love that it's creative much more of a march madness
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: guessing game to this than they had before oh no
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: doubt about it and it produces days like saturday like
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: as annoying as uh you know the chaos of nil
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and In Junction Junction and all this different stuff, it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: has to be acknowledged that the on-field freaking product is amazing.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And first-year coaches can come in. We saw Signetti do
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: what he did in Indiana and getting them. to the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: playoffs and then the championship in year two. But look
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: at UCLA, Mac, right now, number nine in the AP
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: poll with Bob Chesney, you're number one. It's no longer, oh,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you got to give a guy three, four, five years
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to build something up. You can do it relatively quickly
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: in this day and age.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, because guys are bringing a boatload of their
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: own players with them, and they know the system, right?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And they're good, and they know each other. Also, if
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you just hire JMU coaches, you're probably pretty good.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Billy Napier, unbeaten at JMU this year. taking on the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Happy Appies on Thursday night.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: That is juicy, man. We have two local teams in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: action on Thursday night, both right now, underdogs by 10.5. JMU,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: App State, Memphis, who just lost, taking on East Carolina.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So both Thursday night. Memphis got it handed to them
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: by Tulane, right, on Friday night. Yeah, they did. JMU
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: hasn't been touched, man. They're like Mike Tyson in his prime.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I was watching that in the sports book. My friends. Oh, yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you were locked in on that at Harrah's. Some guy
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: must have had a lot of money on Purdue Washington
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: because he was freaking out over there by himself.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Gotta love it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Hands on his head, surrender, Cobra.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Gotta love the sportsbook intensity.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I miss Marvin this morning. I'm not going to lie
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, can't he come in just here and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: just watch the show? Marvin from Harrah's, our guy. The laugh,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the smile, the stories. The meaty bowling hands. This guy
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: was everything. Oh, my Lord.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to college football, please. How
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: about Mike Norvell? Salty as hell, and he should be.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: He said he called the ACC officials and told them
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the holding call bone on the first of two Hail
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Marys that are controversial. as they were trying to tie
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Miami in the second overtime. He was mad at the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: holding call, which I thought the whole idea of who
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: caught the ball at the end to me is a
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: little more gray. To me, the holding call was garbage.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I don't blame Norvell, who has enough heat on his
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: fanny as it is bone, for being pissed off about that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the call was way late. It felt like the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: guy was falling down and he sort of got pushed
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: down to the ground. It wasn't really holding from what
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I saw. Did you hear, though, Mac, what Jim Phillips
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: told Mike Norvell when he called him on his phone?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: He said, sir, this is a Wendy's. Mike Norvell said, oh, man,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: not again. Every time I call there, they tell me
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: it's a Wendy's. Because if it involves Miami, the meal ticket,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the ACC is like, we cannot have them lose. I'm
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: telling you. Hell, two years ago, didn't they?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: They got Virginia Tech and Cal games within like a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: three-week span. They got the damn controversial calls at the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: end of those games to go in their way.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Cal Miami is why they now have the access to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: inside the replay rooms. Remember, they changed it after that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They allowed us to see how they're making the calls
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: after Cal Miami two years ago. At Virginia Tech, Miami
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: was a brutal one, too. It was one of those
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: two games, but I think it was both of them.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: That was the one where they ruled it interception on
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the field and then came back. I'm telling you, man. Listen,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the ACC is not alone. Big 12 officials and what
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: they did to Notre Dame. Big 10 officials and what
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: they did to Central Michigan. Big 10 officials and what
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: they did to Oregon. Unfortunately, Bone, I could rattle off
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: all kinds of examples of incompetence at the end of games.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: All right, so I do want to mention, Bone, first
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of all, Colin Simmons reportedly going to be out three
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: to four weeks for Texas with a high ankle sprain.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: He might be the best college football player in all
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of America. He is absolutely ridiculous coming off the edge.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: So that's going to hurt them, no doubt, because their
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: defense is their meal ticket with the offensive struggles. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: they got Ole Miss on Saturday. This one is interesting
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to a lot of people. We were talking to our friend,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Joey from Concord, diehard Tennessee fan.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: He's one of the sponsors of our radio station.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: So he was at that event yesterday, Bone, and he
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: was all proud of his Vols. He was shocked that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: they did that to Alabama, but he was proud of them.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And then we brought up the Gamecocks game. And Bone,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: he left the conversation not believing we were being serious
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that South Carolina is favored in Columbia on Saturday. He
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: thought we were joking. They are two and a half
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: point favorites to beat Tennessee. Vegas seems to know things, Boney.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Vegas knows things. It was also one and a half yesterday,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It's going up. It's going up there. I'm calling this
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: my Tennessee double. My Tennessee double week. Exhibition game tonight, Duke-Tennessee.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: South Carolina-Tennessee football on Saturday. Give me all that Tennessee.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: You ready, Rocky Top? More like Rocky.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Rocky flop, right?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Jeremy, is this thing on? Now that one, I don't
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm going to die laughing at later. Did
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I go too far? That one I heard.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: That's not going to hit you later? Yeah, that one
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I heard. No, but it is notable. And I think, Matt,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Vegas is realizing that in the SEC, it's not always
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: what you just did. It's what's up next. Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And it's just, yeah, it just feels like a spot,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and Vegas is noting that, where it's like, okay, you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: had this high last week.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: How are you going to play this week?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And South Carolina rested, got a bye, got a little
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: healthier and stuff like that. I do want to say...
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Sellers is playing well. I do want to say rest
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: in peace to the amazingly... entertaining Chuck Amato, former head
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: coach at NC State, head coach at NC State from
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: 2000 to 2006, Bone. And that 11-win team, we talk
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: about Dave Doran and the nine-win wall, you know what
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, that has appeared in his 14 years, not
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: being able to get the double-digit wins. Chuck Amato had
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: one of their very few double-digit wins. 11-win season bone
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: where they won the Gator Bowl. That offense with Philly
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Riv was fun to watch.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It was filthy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: And the thing with Chuck Amato is that he just...
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: The quotes he gave, the energy, the chest, the big
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: barrel chest, Chuck the Chest was his nickname. His voice
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: was funny to listen to. Yeah, it was a little
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: bit kind of John Fox-ish. Raspy and high-pitched was his.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Dreams, what is wrong with having dreams?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that clip that Gary and Jim in
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: this time slot way back in the day when we
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: were in middays would play all the time.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with having dreams? When you started here
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in 2004 and I came in 2005, he was one
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of the most talked-about characters ever. on the stage because
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of Gary and Jim. I remember dying laughing of them
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: talking one day about, because Yarborough is a diehard NC
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: State fan, was on the show. So they would mock him,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and then Yarborough would come on and say, this is ridiculous. Remember, Mac,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: when they got so many penalties in one half? Someone
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: from the crowd threw a penalty flag on Amato walking
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: off the field, and he caught it and threw it
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: back to him. Yeah, his team sometimes lacked a little discipline.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: They didn't lack fire. They lacked a little discipline sometimes.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: There was a little Eddie Orgeron to him, a little bit.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: A little bit. Kind of an eccentric character type guy.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I think there's something there. We lost him yesterday. He
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: was huge with Bobby Bowden for a long time, too. Yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: he was their D-line coach. He was a really good
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: recruiter for Bowden, too. but he was down there with
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: some great freaking defenses, man, at Florida State, no doubt.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: When we come back on the Mac and Bone Show,
• 47:24
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• 47:28
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