Latest / EHA Unplugged / Optimizing Global Care for Women with von Willebrand Disease (VWD) (EHA2024)
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- 0:06In this episode of EHA Unplugged, we will revisit a
- 0:10spotlight talk from EHA 2024. Doctor Michelle Lavin from Saint
- 0:15James's Hospital in Dublin discusses optimizing global care
- 0:18for women with von Willebrand disease.
- 0:20Good. Morning everybody, and I'm
- 0:24honored to be given the. Opportunity to speak today, but
- 0:28also for E had to actually prioritize this area.
- 0:31Of women with bleeding. Disorders, which has.
- 0:33Long been neglected, I think, by the community, not only in
- 0:36hemostasis and thrombosis. But.
- 0:38Of all of hematology, my name is Doctor Michelle Lavin.
- 0:42I'm a consultant hematologist treating adults.
- 0:44With bleeding disorders. In the National Coagulation
- 0:47Center in Saint James's in Dublin, and I'm also.
- 0:50A researcher in the Irish Center for Vascular Biology in the
- 0:53RCSI. And as you.
- 0:55Can hear very passionate about. The care for women and girls.
- 0:57With eating disorders, I'm. Going to start with a question,
- 1:00and that question is why is it? OK to trivialize.
- 1:03Bleeding in women because this happens on a.
- 1:05Daily basis. And it's, you know, overt and
- 1:09pernicious within our medical societies and this case.
- 1:13Is a a lady who. Was in with me recently.
- 1:15And it really exemplifies what we see on a very regular basis.
- 1:18In my clinic. So I was referred to an 18 year
- 1:21old. Woman who had you know the.
- 1:23Point of such heavy periods that.
- 1:26Finally, somebody thought could. This be a bleeding disorder, but
- 1:29she had suffered from long. Term iron.
- 1:31Deficiency throughout her. Teenage years.
- 1:33She'd had nosebleeds. As a child and was advised.
- 1:36That they she would grow. Out them despite needing
- 1:38cauterization in childhood. And she had easy bruising.
- 1:42But that was, you know, normal for her.
- 1:45And I think we forget to. Ask what?
- 1:47How has this impacted you the most?
- 1:49Or where has your bleeding caused?
- 1:50You the most trouble. And for her, it was that she
- 1:53loved to dance. And she used to.
- 1:55Do ballet and hip hop. But the classes were an hour
- 1:57long and she had soaked through on three occasions and after the
- 2:01third time of embarrassing. What she felt herself by,
- 2:04soaking through her clothes, she quit.
- 2:06Dancing so she had given up something that she loved because
- 2:09of the impact of bleeding and when we.
- 2:11Tested her she. Had type 1 Von Willebrand
- 2:13disease and was not only iron deficient but also anemic.
- 2:17And as I was asking her the questions, this often happens
- 2:19that the mum is there nodding to.
- 2:21All the responses. As well, so I took the mum aside
- 2:24and and did a consultation with her and she had heavy menstrual
- 2:28bleeding. She had never really gone to the
- 2:30GP. About it or when she.
- 2:32Had it had been, she was told this was normal.
- 2:34She'd had. Bruising all her.
- 2:36Life but had. Three children and had two
- 2:38postpartum hemorrhages. One was described to her.
- 2:41As mild, whatever that means when it comes to bleeding and.
- 2:44Excessively after childbirth. And one was actually quite
- 2:47significant and she needed a transfusion and she had been
- 2:50going to the GP recently. But more about.
- 2:52Perimenopausal bleeding, which is often when we'll see women
- 2:55encountering problems. And when we tested her, she had.
- 2:59Low von Wellebrand factor. She was also iron deficient and
- 3:02anemic. But she had had.
- 3:04GI endoscopies twice and had an ultrasound pelvis once but no
- 3:09one had. Thought about could this be a
- 3:11bleeding disorder? This is a very typical.
- 3:13Passion that people have to jump through so many hoops before.
- 3:16Anyone even considers? Could this merit a hemostatic?
- 3:19Referral, so we wrote. This article recently about the
- 3:23challenges facing women and. Girls with bleeding disorders.
- 3:27And they're really. Myriad they.
- 3:28Face it in terms of diagnostic inequalities, but also
- 3:31suboptimal treatments. And to focus first of.
- 3:34All on the diagnostic inequalities that face women and
- 3:37girls. Of bleeding disorders, you know
- 3:39they're both self. Imposed as well as system
- 3:42imposed. Because for women.
- 3:44Themselves, they may not recognize what heavy
- 3:46menstruation is. We don't openly.
- 3:48Discuss heavy menstrual bleeding.
- 3:51People don't understand. When their periods are heavy.
- 3:54And there's also a normalization, and this is heard
- 3:56time and time again within families.
- 3:59Where a woman doesn't appreciate her periods are heavy because
- 4:02they're similar to her sister and her mother, who may also
- 4:05experience. Heavy menstrual bleeding.
- 4:08Significant stigma exists regarding menstruation
- 4:11internationally, and it's easy to dismiss this as, oh, this is
- 4:15in some other country. Or some other place or we're
- 4:17we're open about periods. We provide care and support to
- 4:20women. But even in this Conference
- 4:22Center today, there isn't one female toilet that has menstrual
- 4:26products. Available or for sale?
- 4:28You know, it's as if periods don't exist.
- 4:32And there's poor awareness when people do go to general
- 4:35practitioners or primary. Care there's poor.
- 4:38Awareness about what constitutes abnormal bleeding they may not
- 4:42recognize heavy nosebleeds as being particularly heavy or
- 4:45problematic and when somebody attends a.
- 4:48An ear, nose and throat. Consultant and has cauterization
- 4:51everyone is looking at the individual bleeding symptom that
- 4:54relates to. Their speciality.
- 4:56Be it gynecological bleeding, no nasal bleeding, you know are.
- 5:01A. Leading complaints to the GP and
- 5:03they're not looking at the. Overall Global.
- 5:05Phenotype of that individual and putting it together saying this.
- 5:08Could be suggestive of a bleeding disorder.
- 5:11Cumulatively this. Leads to delays in referral and
- 5:14diagnosis, and there's good. Data to support that this.
- 5:17Particularly effects women in the Dutch.
- 5:20Study They looked at all patients diagnosed with a
- 5:22bleeding disorder. And found that there was a.
- 5:24Five year additional. Delay in referral and diagnosis
- 5:27in women versus men. And this was not just related to
- 5:31gynecological bleeding. Because even in childhood before
- 5:34the onset. Of monarch.
- 5:36Girls experienced longer. Times and longer.
- 5:39Persistent bleeding before consideration of referral.
- 5:43And that's probably. Related to the fact that people
- 5:45are aware. Of hemophilia and have bleeding
- 5:48disorders and men very. Tightly associated in their.
- 5:50Learning and don't. Appreciate there are other
- 5:53bleeding disorders and that. Women are more.
- 5:55Predominantly affected because. Of gynecological bleeding.
- 6:00Even if you are referred, or if you do have tests before them,
- 6:03there's. Inequalities in specialist
- 6:05testing. Because.
- 6:07There's von Willebrand factor antigens and.
- 6:09Activities are expensive tests to deliver.
- 6:11They're specialized. They require expert.
- 6:14Interpretation. And that's not universally.
- 6:16Available. Even within higher income
- 6:18settings and is very. Has a very.
- 6:21Low availability in lower and. Lower middle.
- 6:23Income countries So what are the impacts of these for von
- 6:27Willebrand disease diagnosis and registration you.
- 6:30Know is there. Actually an influence on these
- 6:31factors and I would. Argue there is because we have
- 6:35data from the world. Federation Annual Global.
- 6:37Survey and we looked at the registered individuals.
- 6:40With von Willebrand. Disease worldwide.
- 6:42Now to remind. You the expected.
- 6:44Prevalence of hemophilia is one in 10,000 and based on studies.
- 6:48By Rodrigo. ET al.
- 6:49And Bowman ET al. The expected prevalence.
- 6:52Of reduced von Willebrand factor levels and bleeding should be
- 6:55one in 1000 when we looked at the annual global.
- 6:59Survey Data. And looked at the number of
- 7:01patients. Registered per.
- 7:02Population For each individual country, we had to reduce the
- 7:06denominator from 1000 to 1,000,000 to actually get a
- 7:10sensible number that could. Be, you know, displayed.
- 7:12For some countries. So we should expect to see one.
- 7:151000 patients with von Willebrand disease per million
- 7:18population. What we found was a median.
- 7:21VWD registrations. In high income settings.
- 7:24Was 45. There was a significant range
- 7:27between 1 and 332, which I'm proud to say is Ireland and then
- 7:32that range between 45 per million in high income countries
- 7:36right down to point. 5. Per million in low income
- 7:39countries. So even the most severe.
- 7:41Phenotypes aren't being diagnosed in low income settings
- 7:45and what was interesting was the gender distribution and how this
- 7:49changed and was VE and varied based on income status in high
- 7:53income countries. You see 2/3 of the.
- 7:55Population are female that are registered with Fomwella brand
- 7:58disease. Now it's an autosomal.
- 8:00Disorder, so you would expect an.
- 8:01Equal male and female prevalence but because of gynecological
- 8:05bleeding and that burden, women are.
- 8:07Disproportionately represented in.
- 8:09VWD registration numbers, but in low income settings you can see
- 8:13this completely changes to where males exceed females.
- 8:17So income status. Is influencing not only the
- 8:20number of registrations, but the ability of a woman to get a
- 8:23diagnosis and registered with von Willebrand disease.
- 8:28So what about if you get through these myriad of.
- 8:30Challenges you finally make it to the hemophilia treatment
- 8:32center. What does that mean in terms of
- 8:34are you? Getting the best care is the
- 8:36care. Being delivered to you the.
- 8:37Same. As for men with your condition
- 8:39and I would say no, we're actually failing women even in
- 8:42our own centers and I work in AHTC.
- 8:44So I. I'm criticizing myself as well.
- 8:47Because our centers. Even the name hemophilia is
- 8:51very. Gendered.
- 8:51It's very male. Specific to a.
- 8:53Lot of people and our centers have grown up.
- 8:55Around the needs of men within severe hemophilia and we have
- 8:59transposed the outcomes that we use for men like annual bleed
- 9:03rates. Joint.
- 9:03Bleeding rates onto von Willebrand disease.
- 9:06Where they're. Suboptimal and.
- 9:08They don't consider the degree of.
- 9:09Bleeding that people can have. If you have 12 periods a year.
- 9:13And use an annual bleed rate. You will have a bleed rate of
- 9:1612. That doesn't tell you if they're
- 9:1820 days long or two days long. It doesn't tell you anything.
- 9:21About the severity of it. So we can't use these outcome
- 9:24measures. That we have traditionally.
- 9:26Built up around men and applied them to women and expect.
- 9:28To get good results. We lack female care pathways.
- 9:33If somebody comes in with. A.
- 9:34A hemarthrosis we would never. Dream of ringing the orthopedic
- 9:37team and asking them what to do. We manage hemarthrosis.
- 9:40Ourselves if somebody. Comes in with acute heavy
- 9:42menstrual bleeding. Is that the same?
- 9:44Are you ringing your gynecology? Colleagues saying how do I
- 9:46manage this, this strange hormonal bleeding?
- 9:49I don't know what to do, you know?
- 9:51We don't see it as actually part of our care to deliver.
- 9:54Management of gynecological bleeding and that's adding to
- 9:57the problems that women face. We have knowledge gaps on the
- 10:01optimal treatments because women do not tend to be represented in
- 10:04clinical trials. Of bleeding disorder products.
- 10:07And despite knowing that the significant differences between
- 10:10the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics for drugs.
- 10:14We. Take results in a male
- 10:15population and apply that in a female population, and I think
- 10:20we have a. Real lack of culture of
- 10:22prophylaxis, not only. For women, but for von
- 10:24Willebrand disease in general. From the World Bleeding Disorder
- 10:28Registry, they took data. From around the.
- 10:31World this year and for the. First time von Willebrand
- 10:34disease was included in the. Worldfed's registry.
- 10:36And when they looked at the data internationally from low middle
- 10:39income and high income countries, 28% of adults with
- 10:43hemophilia were on prophylaxis and 2% of people with von
- 10:47Willebrand disease were on prophylaxis.
- 10:49So everybody with von Willebrand disease is disadvantaged.
- 10:52But I think in. Particular women are because
- 10:55when we. Think about prophylaxis.
- 10:57We think about that hemophilia model of long term.
- 11:00Regular, you know. Continuous prophylaxis.
- 11:03Whereas women. Might only need.
- 11:05A short term prophylaxis as a bridge to a more definitive
- 11:08treatment. Like an IUD insertion for heavy
- 11:10menstrual bleeding, or whilst they're trying to get pregnant
- 11:13and have to come off hormonal contraception and there's no way
- 11:16to guide dosing. There's no dosing.
- 11:18Regimens for periodic. Prophylaxis for.
- 11:20Heavy menstrual bleeding because we don't.
- 11:22Even consider it. As an indication.
- 11:26So cumulatively you can see. The challenges that are imposed
- 11:29by society itself, by our healthcare.
- 11:33Systems, but. Also by our hemostasis.
- 11:36Community on women and girls accessing the care that they
- 11:39need for von Willebrand disease. Now it can't all be bad news.
- 11:44There are good things happening and I think it's fantastic even
- 11:47when to have this session at EHA, you know, to be talking
- 11:49about women with bleeding disorders and congresses.
- 11:52All have tracks. For women.
- 11:53And girls with bleeding disorders.
- 11:54Which is fantastic now and. There's been a.
- 11:56Number of changes that. Will hopefully help.
- 11:58Women and girls internationally, not only did we have the Ashe
- 12:012021 guidelines and that brought for the first time, a consensus
- 12:05definition of postpartum hemorrhage and heavy menstrual
- 12:07bleeding. Can you believe it?
- 12:08The hematology literature we didn't have a.
- 12:10Consensus amongst us? As to what?
- 12:12Heavy menstrual bleeding. Was or postpartum?
- 12:14Hemorrhage was before that point, but also in 2021.
- 12:17There was the first European principle.
- 12:19To care for women and girls. Of bleeding disorders, so these
- 12:22were the first. Principles to outline.
- 12:23How we should actually look after?
- 12:25Women and girls to attend our centres.
- 12:27And it wasn't just for Europe. These are the.
- 12:29First ones internationally. So the first time in the world
- 12:32we said these are the standards. We set for our women.
- 12:36This isn't hemostasis specific. But I.
- 12:38Think it's adjacent to the issues that women face and.
- 12:43The World Health. Organization last year released
- 12:46accelerating anemia reduction report and this looked at.
- 12:50Actually. Highlighting the importance and
- 12:53the prevalence of anemia amongst women and they focused.
- 12:57On a number of areas. Including iron malaria
- 13:00treatment, folic acid supplementation, prevention of.
- 13:02Postpartum hemorrhage, but a very.
- 13:04Useful. Point in this report to really.
- 13:06Bring it home to governments that don't think it's worth
- 13:08investing in. Women's Health is.
- 13:10That for every $1.00 invested. In interventions aimed at
- 13:14reducing anemia in women. Those 12.
- 13:16Dollars in economic. Returns could.
- 13:18Be realized and this. Is how we leverage care and.
- 13:21Improvements. So we need to.
- 13:23Actually identify anemia, identify our own deficiency and
- 13:26treat it and allied. With this I was very happy to
- 13:30work with. The International.
- 13:32Federation of Obstetrics and Gynecology, OR.
- 13:34Figo and. Last year, they released their
- 13:36first. Position statement on iron
- 13:38deficiency and anemia in women and girls and they are relating,
- 13:42as simple as that concept should be.
- 13:44Iron deficiency and. Heavy menstrual bleeding.
- 13:46Surely all of us should think about that, but actually, if you
- 13:49look at The Who iron deficiency sits within.
- 13:53Nutrition, not health. It's.
- 13:55Not considered a medical problem, it's considered a
- 13:57dietary issue. Now I have yet to come across a
- 14:00woman with a bleeding. Disorder.
- 14:01Who could eat her way? Out of iron deficiency.
- 14:04Because if you're bleeding. You will lose some.
- 14:06You know, if you have heavy bleeding, you cannot maintain
- 14:08your dietary intake. You will have.
- 14:10In there. Invariably iron deficiency and
- 14:12it's. Only the rate at which that
- 14:14develops that can vary, so the Figo.
- 14:17Statement has said. That iron deficiency is highly.
- 14:19Prevalent and the symptom of heavy menstrual bleeding is the
- 14:22most common cause, and it puts the onus on obst obstetricians
- 14:26and gynecologists internationally to.
- 14:28Test for to. Check and to treat iron
- 14:31deficiency as well as identification and treatment of
- 14:33the underlying 'cause this. Is a really big step.
- 14:35Forward, as simple as it sounds, and finally, within von
- 14:39Willebrand disease, we now. Have the core VWD data set, so
- 14:44the. Problem with von Willebrand
- 14:45disease studies. Is not only is there very few of
- 14:47them, but that everybody? Uses completely different
- 14:51outcome measures. So it's very difficult to
- 14:53compare. Products between trials and the
- 14:55core. VWD project seeks.
- 14:58To harmonize outcomes for all studies involving patients with
- 15:01von Willebrand disease and female.
- 15:04Health was felt to. Be such an.
- 15:05Important area within this that they have their own subset of
- 15:09core outcomes. There's a broader core outcome
- 15:11set, but here I have the women. Girls and persons with the
- 15:14potential to menstruate. Outcome sets that are
- 15:16recommended if women are included in studies.
- 15:19So hopefully this will. Actually get.
- 15:20Into some more. Granular detail on the impact of
- 15:23heavy menstrual bleeding of new products.
- 15:27So in conclusion today. You know, I think it's a.
- 15:30Time of exciting change. There's momentum behind Women's
- 15:33Health, and I would. Advocate for you all to go.
- 15:36Back to your centres and to look what you're doing critically and
- 15:39appraise. How we can improve our
- 15:41detection, our awareness? Within our local communities and
- 15:44our. Treatment for.
- 15:44Our women who attend us, you know, we can't just keep doing
- 15:47things. My least favorite thing in
- 15:49medicine. Is why do you do it?
- 15:50Because we always did. You know it's time to change
- 15:53things up. So we need to.
- 15:56Recognize we need to treat and we need to investigate heavy
- 15:59menstrual bleeding. Clearly, women with bleeding
- 16:01disorders have more. Than heavy menstrual bleeding.
- 16:04But this is a. This is a.
- 16:05Cardinal sign of a bleeding disorder.
- 16:08You know we. Can use this to identify women
- 16:11and not only reach that woman but her wider family who may
- 16:14also be affected. With a bleeding disorder, we
- 16:17need to improve. Awareness of von Willebrand
- 16:19disease internationally people don't know what it is, they
- 16:22don't know they. Should care about it.
- 16:23And the most frequent response I get from GPS is.
- 16:26I don't have anyone with that condition and I think.
- 16:29You probably do, you just don't realize it yet.
- 16:32So we need. People to care?
- 16:34About von Willebrand disease more and we should be informing
- 16:37that this is a mucotaneous bleeding disorder.
- 16:39Because that's. Telling you what's wrong and
- 16:41what symptoms people face. We need to develop cheaper
- 16:45easier. Hemostatic testing.
- 16:47It's very complex and expensive. To deliver VWD.
- 16:50Testing, and that's imposing a barrier on people who may have
- 16:53this condition. In order to access the care.
- 16:56And finally, for the women and girls who are diagnosed.
- 16:59We need to develop evidence based care to address.
- 17:02Their specific needs, not what we feel they need, but what?
- 17:05They actually desire for us to treat, to improve.
- 17:08Their outcomes? So they can be like that girl at
- 17:10the start. Continuing in their dance
- 17:12career. Continuing with their daily
- 17:14activities, participating. In working schools to the
- 17:17fullest and not being left behind.
- 17:19And with that, I'd like to thank you all for attending and
- 17:22showing enthusiasm for women and girls.
- 17:27Just because the community at EHA might not know, but could
- 17:31you give a bit more information on if there are new treatments
- 17:35coming for from Wilibrand? Because I think traditionally
- 17:38people know about the IV formulations, but do you have
- 17:42any insights in what is out there?
- 17:45Well, in terms of von Willebrand disease, I mean, I still think
- 17:48we're so far behind hemophilia and you have traditionally we've
- 17:52relied on plasma drive, von Wellebrand factor concentrates
- 17:55and in the setting of things like the.
- 17:57Infected blood inquiry. In the UK.
- 17:58That's obviously very. Challenging to recommend
- 18:00prophylaxis with plasma drive products of any variety, even
- 18:03when they're doubly virally inactivated.
- 18:05And considered safe. We have obviously a new
- 18:07recombinant von Wellebrand factor that's recently been
- 18:09licensed for. Prophylaxis in Europe.
- 18:11It's been more widely available in the US for longer.
- 18:14These are very expensive products.
- 18:15And then there's. Pipeline products that are
- 18:17coming through like BT200 that are still undergoing clinical
- 18:20trials and there's. Also VGA. 036 is on the line,
- 18:24but things are. Slower to progress.
- 18:26On the R for wrong for hemophilia.
- 18:29What I'm worried about is that. Expensive products coming out
- 18:32doesn't improve access to care and we need to be looking and
- 18:35taking a step back at what we already have in our
- 18:37armamentarium and offering that to people.
- 18:40So DDAV. P is a fantastic treatment
- 18:42desmopressin and that's broadly available.
- 18:45It's on The Who Essential Medicines list.
- 18:47So it should be in every. Country tranexamic acids that's
- 18:50also an essential part of most women I have and most patients I
- 18:54have von Willebrand disease will have tranexamic acid at home.
- 18:57That's cheap unless you live in America, but that's a cheap and
- 19:01cost effective. Option.
- 19:03Unfortunately, that's only. In an IV formulation on The Who
- 19:06Essentials Medicines list based on the woman's study for
- 19:08postpartum hemorrhage, oral tranexamic acid isn't an
- 19:11essential medicine. So that's something that we're
- 19:13campaigning for as a community to make, you know, if we can't
- 19:16have, if you're in a country and you can't get access to maybe
- 19:19plasma, Dr. VWF concentrator recombinant, the fact that you
- 19:22can't get even oral tranexamic acid is a massive barrier.
- 19:25So I think what we need to do is, and I worry in hemophilia
- 19:29treatment that we have such fantastic treatments, but we're
- 19:32increasing the disparities globally.
- 19:34I want everyone to come along together and bring people up
- 19:36together rather than I don't. I hope that drug companies won't
- 19:39just focus on very expensive treatments.
- 19:41They'll be available to few, but improve treatment for all.
- 19:43My question is on how do you think we can improve the access
- 19:48to the diagnosis and also, you know, one thing that I've seen
- 19:54in the testing of the von Willebrand disease is high false
- 19:59negativities. How can that be improved?
- 20:02Yeah, so. Two questions there.
- 20:05The first. One about false negatives.
- 20:07So there's so many factors that affect VWF levels.
- 20:11And most 16 year olds that come to my clinic for the first time
- 20:14will have. High levels of.
- 20:15Phobotomy. Related stress so.
- 20:18I will tell them I don't mind if your levels are normal now I
- 20:20know they're. Probably much lower, you know,
- 20:22we'll see how you are after. A couple of visits and you
- 20:24realize we're not terrifying. Umm, but.
- 20:26Certainly. Stress will temporarily.
- 20:28Put up VWF levels what we have looked.
- 20:30At in our center is we reviewed about two and a half thousand.
- 20:34VWF levels over A2 year. Period.
- 20:36And we found that if your initial.
- 20:37Level was above. 70. We had only one case where the
- 20:41plasm. VWF level on repeat at any point
- 20:44was less than. 50 so. Once you're over. 70 or 80?
- 20:47I think your levels are probably above 50 at.
- 20:49Baseline, even if even if you have things like for botting.
- 20:51Related Stress. So that would be.
- 20:53About, you know, having thresholds or understanding what
- 20:56how von Willebrand factor can be affected.
- 20:58People often. Worry about doing VWF testing on
- 21:00the pill. That's something I hear a lot.
- 21:02You would need to be on a a greater than 50 microgram or 50
- 21:06microgram, ethanol, oestrol pill and most.
- 21:08Pills are 30. Or 25, so that isn't as much of
- 21:12an issue now. Because there's lower.
- 21:13Eastern Formulations. The first part of your.
- 21:16Question was about how do you improve testing worldwide and
- 21:18that's a much trickier issue. It's very it's the world feds
- 21:23to. Be fair are trying to work on
- 21:25point care testing for like you know, blood drop from Wellebrand
- 21:28factor antigens. So at least you could get an
- 21:30antigen in a low resource setting.
- 21:32You know, on a on a. Card based test.
- 21:34It's very challenging to deliver that.
- 21:37And there's also, I think potential for paired schemes
- 21:40that you could have centers internationally that samples
- 21:44could be negotiated and funded to send to those centers to test
- 21:48and relay. The results back we live in a
- 21:50much more interconnected. World and there's opportunities
- 21:53to actually provide real time results through, you know,
- 21:56emailing information. Forward and back if we set up.
- 21:59Those networks properly because I think investing in labs in
- 22:02every country that can. Deliver VWD.
- 22:04Is probably unrealistic, but investing in partnerships.
- 22:07To help and support will help. People get diagnosis and build.
- 22:10Up capacity.