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The Desperate Search for a Gorgeous Missing Princeton Co-ed, Tragic Twist · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. If you are like myself
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  Speaker 1: them to advance him one step four to a happy life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my daughter has been watching what is It? Jackie?
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  Speaker 1: What is It? She watches reruns up Gilmore Girls and
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  Speaker 1: right now. I didn't even know about Gilmore Girls. So
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  Speaker 1: go to an IVY League school, which I'm all happy
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  Speaker 1: about it if she makes it great. What I'm saying is,
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  Speaker 1: you think, wow, could my child get into an IVY well,
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  Speaker 1: then their life would be just set right. And i
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry anymore. Well, listen to this. I'm
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  Speaker 1: working up to something here. This little girl, Miss Rock,
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  Speaker 1: just turns twenty. She makes it, jes a valedictorian of
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  Speaker 1: her high school class. She gets a full scholarship to
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  Speaker 1: Princeton full scholarship. You know how happy her family is.
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  Speaker 1: They have worked their fingers to the bone to get
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  Speaker 1: their daughter. She made it. And now the little girl
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  Speaker 1: is missing. She's missing, She's gone. We've been on the
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  Speaker 1: investigation for days. Now where is miss Rock? I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Series six one eleven. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, taking listen to our friends at ABC seven.
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  Speaker 1: The search continues for a Princeton student who went missing yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement is stepping up patrols around the New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: Ivy League campus for Moose Rock Unati. Princeton says it's
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  Speaker 1: deploying a helicopter, drones, and watercraft to aid in the search.
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  Speaker 1: Unate is an undergraduate student part of the class of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. The school is asking anyone's information to
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  Speaker 1: contact Princeton's Department of Public Safety. All we know is
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  Speaker 1: that she essentially vanished in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: By all accounts, misratch Unite is an exceptional student earning
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  Speaker 1: a full ride to one of the nation's most prestigious universities.
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  Speaker 1: A campus disappearance. Obviously, it's heartbreaking students reacting after word
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  Speaker 1: got out that twenty year old Misratch Unite, a second
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  Speaker 1: year student at Princeton University, hasn't been seen since early
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  Speaker 1: Friday morning. Right now, I'm having just big red flags
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  Speaker 1: waving in my head. He just heard from my friends
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  Speaker 1: at ABC seven as well as Cleveland nineteen. Where is
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  Speaker 1: this girl? Miss Rock? Joining me an all star panel
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  Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now? And
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  Speaker 1: in the investigation of the disappearance of Miss Rock, Jason
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  Speaker 1: Oceans joining me, high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction
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  Speaker 1: he practices all over. Jason, the first thing is jumping
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  Speaker 1: out at me. I got a lot of questions. But
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  Speaker 1: the Princeton University Police, No, I don't know if how
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  Speaker 1: long they handled the disappearance, how many hours they were involved.
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  Speaker 1: But right there, you have to get the actual, the
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  Speaker 1: real police. No offense to them, no offense whatsoever. But
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  Speaker 1: you need the full on police. You remember Kristen Smart.
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  Speaker 1: How those campus security screwed that whole thing up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we lost days because of them in finding or discovering
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  Speaker 1: that Kristen Smart was missing. Her body has never been found,
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  Speaker 1: and they screwed it up. I'm just telling you like
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  Speaker 1: it is, Jason Otions. Now, I hear you, Nancy, and
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  Speaker 1: I think Princeton set out the alert on Monday, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some forty eight hours afterwards. Who you know, University police
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  Speaker 1: are uh, you know, limited in the type of scale
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  Speaker 1: that they have cases. And clearly, once she was missing
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  Speaker 1: beyond twenty four hours, they should have sounded the alarm.
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  Speaker 1: Well wait, why are you sounding like a cop? What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean what she's missing after twenty four hours?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was statutorily mandated that you
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  Speaker 1: have to wait twenty four hours. I mean, let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you this, Jason Otions. If my children are not
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  Speaker 1: there at pickup, yeah, I'm calling police right then. So
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  Speaker 1: why would I have to wait twenty four hours? You know,
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  Speaker 1: they investigate typically they think that you know, first reaction
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  Speaker 1: is that someone has left voluntarily. They're not scoped to
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  Speaker 1: think that first, and they wait to see uh and
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  Speaker 1: investigate that aspect first before you know, hitting the red alarms.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not used to these cases and you're
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  Speaker 1: not sensitive to them, then there is that waiting period.
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  Speaker 1: And you and I both know that that waiting period
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  Speaker 1: in that first twenty four to forty eight hours the
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  Speaker 1: most critical aspect the longer you wait. Those hours are
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  Speaker 1: our days and and and the opportunity to capture an eyewitness,
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  Speaker 1: someone who saw something in some way, or someone who
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  Speaker 1: noticed something off but didn't connect it to this situation.
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  Speaker 1: Those moments are are lost, and you know now we
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  Speaker 1: try to recapture that in some way, and sometimes often
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  Speaker 1: it's too late. You're so right, And Nancy, I hate
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  Speaker 1: to jump in and go to clarify something. He's jumping in.
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  Speaker 1: This is Dave Mac. Jump in. Dave Mac joining me
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  Speaker 1: from crime Online. Go all right, Nancy, here's the reality. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she was last seen at three am, outsider, don't yep.
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  Speaker 1: But she wasn't reported missing until Monday at nine twenty.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason is real simple. Nobody knew she was gone, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the police. It wasn't the police dropping the ball. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: reported her missing until nine o'clock on Monday, Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: when she was reported missing who took the report, who
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  Speaker 1: began investigating it began at Princeton with the Princeton University Police.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because I understand the campus police
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  Speaker 1: held onto it for twenty four hours or so, and
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  Speaker 1: those hours are critical. And again, Dave Mack, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to clarify any fate that you hear that could
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  Speaker 1: be wrong, because no fact is unimportant, no matter how
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  Speaker 1: small in this case, so what you just said it's
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  Speaker 1: actually really important, and what Jason Ocean said is also correct.
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  Speaker 1: We're all three right. The campus security got it held
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  Speaker 1: onto it, but she was missing from the early morning hours.
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  Speaker 1: It was Friday. Would that have been Saturday morning at
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  Speaker 1: three am? Or it would have been Friday morning at
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  Speaker 1: three am? Okay, So then we go the whole day
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  Speaker 1: Friday night, then the whole day Saturday and Saturday night,
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  Speaker 1: the whole day Sunday and Sunday night, and then she's
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  Speaker 1: reported missing on Monday. Do I have that right? Dave
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  Speaker 1: Max absolutely correct. And then at that point when everybody
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  Speaker 1: finally realizes where's miss Rock, it's handed over to campus security.
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  Speaker 1: And again, let me be clear, straight out to Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Bard joining me former Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class, also
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  Speaker 1: Computer Crime Investigations expert, US VET of Operation Desert Storm
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  Speaker 1: and runs. How do I say it, Glenn Bard? We
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  Speaker 1: call it patc tech. Of course you do, because nobody
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  Speaker 1: would think that patctech dot com. Glenn Bard. I am
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  Speaker 1: not attacking campus security because campus security typically is great
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  Speaker 1: for on campus activity, but they are not trained in
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  Speaker 1: kidnapping and first response and so many other things that
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  Speaker 1: you need in a disappearance of a young girl like this.
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  Speaker 1: Situations like this, obviously, the more agencies evolved, the better
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  Speaker 1: off there are, especially if you can start getting into
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  Speaker 1: the agencies that have just seriously more equipment, more technology,
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  Speaker 1: and more resources. I'm not familiar with what their training is,
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  Speaker 1: what they go through, but anytime I've worked in case
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  Speaker 1: as similar as this, we of course want to get
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  Speaker 1: any kind of agency involved. It does have specialized capabilities
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  Speaker 1: and specialized training, and of course in a situation like this,
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  Speaker 1: your agencies are going to want to be willing to
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  Speaker 1: help as much as possible to trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: young lady like this, This girl just twenty years old.
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  Speaker 1: Remember validictorian umber high school class, full scholarship at Princeton
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  Speaker 1: University Ivy League and she's doing great, great, great so far?
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  Speaker 1: What more do we learn? Take listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at pix eleven. Twenty year old Miss Ratchu went as
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  Speaker 1: He was first reported missing Monday night. She was last
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  Speaker 1: seen early Friday morning at the dorm where she lived
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  Speaker 1: on the south end of campus. Weighing on the minds
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  Speaker 1: of students at Princeton University the mysterious disappearance of miss Rattuanity,
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  Speaker 1: a student from Cleveland, Ohio. So far, no details of
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  Speaker 1: surface about why or how she's gone missing. The twenty
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  Speaker 1: year old is five foot four, one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: pounds and has brown eyes brown hair. On the last
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  Speaker 1: day she was seen was also the last day of
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  Speaker 1: classes before the university broke for fall recess. Classes are
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  Speaker 1: set to resume next Monday. She was last seen around
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  Speaker 1: Friday in the vicinity of Scully Hall. If you know
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  Speaker 1: where she is or where she could be, you're asked
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  Speaker 1: to call public Safety at six O nine two five
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  Speaker 1: eight one thousand Time Stories with Nancy Grace joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Executive
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  Speaker 1: director of Kelsey Smith Foundation Online at Kelsey's Army dot com. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: here's another layer that we're not taking into account. I
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  Speaker 1: just learned from Picks. Dave Max said Monday, it's Monday night,
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  Speaker 1: first reported missing Monday night, we think, but listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear this, Greg Smith? That that was the
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  Speaker 1: Friday morning that everybody was leaving. It was the last
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  Speaker 1: day of classes. That's the last day she's seen. Also
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  Speaker 1: the last day of classes before Princeton broke for fall break,
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  Speaker 1: which means, as Jason Notions was saying earlier, everybody and
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  Speaker 1: their recollections and what they saw that morning, it's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody left for fall break. They're just getting back on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: That's when they realize she's nowhere to be seen. That's
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  Speaker 1: another problem. Greg. Yeah, I mean that that's explained a
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  Speaker 1: lot about the delay in reporting, and that I mean
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  Speaker 1: people weren't there, they left, her roommates may have not
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  Speaker 1: been there, so they didn't know that she didn't come back.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, just like when my daughter Kelsey was
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  Speaker 1: a kidnapped, at the very beginning, there is nothing tangible,
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  Speaker 1: there's no tactile evidence anywhere to show that something happened,
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  Speaker 1: that there was a kidnapping, or that you know there
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  Speaker 1: was an accident that it was the same thing with Kelsey.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't know what had happened or where she went.
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  Speaker 1: She was just gone. And that presents a problem for
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  Speaker 1: the police because while they're interested in recovering a missing
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  Speaker 1: person and an answer to your earlier question, there is
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  Speaker 1: no statutory requirement to wait twenty four hours. There was
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing for them to act on. It's not
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  Speaker 1: against the law to be missing, you know, Dave mac
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things. We have been told she was
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  Speaker 1: last saying in the early morning hours on Friday. Where
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  Speaker 1: exactly was she seen. She was seen outside of her dorm.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Scully Hall. She was actually seen there. Now
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  Speaker 1: we know that she checked into Scully Hall. She went
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  Speaker 1: in to her dorm. Here's what we don't know, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: We know that she got into the dorm, but we
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  Speaker 1: know that her roommate, Okay, the person who actually shares
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  Speaker 1: a direct common area with her, arrived into the room
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  Speaker 1: about four thirty. She says, this role was not there
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  Speaker 1: at four thirty. Okay, let me understand she was last
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  Speaker 1: seen by other people outside the dorm. Right, did she
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  Speaker 1: go in and check in and then come back out.
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  Speaker 1: We know that she checked in. We know that she
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  Speaker 1: checked into the dorm. I guess they have one of
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  Speaker 1: those cards slide things that recognizes when you check in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he knows you went in. But no, we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We just know from that point that the roommate says
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  Speaker 1: she did not see her at four thirty. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything really other than that she's saying
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  Speaker 1: she didn't see her. She wasn't looking for her either.
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  Speaker 1: And also, Dave Mack, I don't know the layout of
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  Speaker 1: their rooms, but they may be you know, like my
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  Speaker 1: dorm room, my bed was about three feet four feet
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  Speaker 1: away from my dorm mate. We're right there in the
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  Speaker 1: same room to twin beds. Okay, how do I know
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  Speaker 1: their room isn't set up where they have a common
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  Speaker 1: study area in two rooms off to each side with doors.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the floor flat for her room.
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  Speaker 1: I have for the same reason, Nancy. But the other
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  Speaker 1: part of this is, as it's been mentioned, fall break
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  Speaker 1: kicked off. So you've got most of these college classes.
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  Speaker 1: Many were already done with their mid term testing by
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's why they were events taking place Thursday
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  Speaker 1: night by Friday morning, somebody not being there. Hey, it
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  Speaker 1: just assumed that she left to head home for the week. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: is Scully hall co ed? I don't I apologize. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll find out in just a minute, and I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you where I'm going with this. If people saw her
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  Speaker 1: outside the dorm and she checked into the dorm, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know she was going in and came back out,
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  Speaker 1: or if she went back in and never came out.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking specifically of this one too, Jackie. Remember
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  Speaker 1: annie Lee was Annie Lee, brilliant, brilliant researcher, and she
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  Speaker 1: went I think it was an Ivy League school too.
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  Speaker 1: She went into the research department and then there was
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  Speaker 1: a fire alarm. Everybody came running out, and she was
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  Speaker 1: never seen again. She was killed in the building and
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  Speaker 1: hidden in the wall. That's what I'm saying. How do
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  Speaker 1: I know, Dave Matt, Let's pretend that you're right. With
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  Speaker 1: a key card. She key cards in at three am.
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  Speaker 1: I guess she's been to some party or something. It's
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  Speaker 1: the night before everybody goes home for fall break. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have to be in school the next day, so
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  Speaker 1: she goes in. Did she ever come out or Dave
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  Speaker 1: Matt Did she check in, go in and get something
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  Speaker 1: and come back out. You see, that's really important. Do
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  Speaker 1: we have any idea? Well, we know is that her
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  Speaker 1: sweet mates saw her around three am. They saw her.
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  Speaker 1: They said that she brushed her teeth and then went
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  Speaker 1: to her room. That's what we know. We know that
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  Speaker 1: she they say she went to her room. Then the
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  Speaker 1: direct roommate came home around four to thirty but said
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  Speaker 1: she did not see her. He bes right in the
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  Speaker 1: room their shared room. Oh, I see, I see what
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  Speaker 1: you mean. It's okay, now I'm getting it. Sounds like
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  Speaker 1: two girls in one bedroom, two girls in another bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm an area because her roommates. That is
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  Speaker 1: the report. So there's more than just one roommate they
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  Speaker 1: saw her at three am, than another roommate who sleeps
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  Speaker 1: I think, in the room with her to not see
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  Speaker 1: her after four am. So she goes in, brushes her
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  Speaker 1: teeth like she's about to go to bed, and then
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  Speaker 1: she's never seen again. That's adding a whole another layer
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  Speaker 1: of mystery, and my mind. Guy's with me. Jason Oceans,
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  Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of New York and New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: including this jurisdiction, Doctor Charles Heller, clinical forensic psychologist, chief
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  Speaker 1: forensic consultant in Rockland County. That's in New York Forensic
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  Speaker 1: Mental Health Unit, Rutger's Biomedical and Health Sciences, Greg Smith,
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  Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson's County Sheriff, Glenn Bard, former trooper Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: And Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter. What more
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  Speaker 1: or do we know? Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at WP the I. Princeton University Police are expanding their
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  Speaker 1: search efforts as they look for missing university student, miss Roch. Unity.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the areas that they were searching
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  Speaker 1: by boat this morning. We are near the Shay Rowing
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  Speaker 1: Center where law enforcement have created a staging area and
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  Speaker 1: you can see some of the investigators and some of
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  Speaker 1: the crews there near the water's edge right now. Earlier
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  Speaker 1: we saw investigators walking along the banks of the lake
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  Speaker 1: farther down here in this area. Now, let's take you
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  Speaker 1: to some video. Miss Roch has been missing since three
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  Speaker 1: am Friday, according to campus police, and was last seen
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  Speaker 1: in the area of Scully Hall on campus, which is
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  Speaker 1: about a quarter mile from here. Interesting. Interesting they're making
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  Speaker 1: it sound like she was less seen outside. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what the roommates are saying, Dave Mack. They saw her
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  Speaker 1: insight at three am, brushing her teeth. Miss Row is
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  Speaker 1: five four, one hundred and thirty pounds, beautiful, brown eyes, long, shiny,
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  Speaker 1: dark care. She's a light complexion. Originally from northeast Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Full scholarship to prestigious Princeton and it covered her tuition,
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  Speaker 1: her fees, room and board, book supplies, and travel expenses
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  Speaker 1: for four years. She was interested in majoring in science
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  Speaker 1: Princeton her first choice. Now her disappearance comes as students
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  Speaker 1: are all taking off for fall break. In the hustle
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  Speaker 1: and bustle of everyone leaving the dorm, no one realizes
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  Speaker 1: that this twenty year old girl is missing until Monday evening.
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  Speaker 1: Listen again to our friends at WPVII. The university has
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  Speaker 1: said that as the search continues today, increased law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: will be on campus, including boats, drones, and helicopters. Chopper
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  Speaker 1: six was over the scene near Washington Road Bridge and
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  Speaker 1: the Shay Rowing Center around at nine o'clock this morning. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the campus has been pretty quiet because they're on a
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  Speaker 1: fall break right now. But again, this investigation has been ongoing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Princeton University has released photos of the student in an
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  Speaker 1: effort to spread the word. Miss Rach is around five
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  Speaker 1: foot four, around one hundred and thirty pounds. She has
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  Speaker 1: brown eyes and black hair. She is twenty years old,
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  Speaker 1: and she a member of Princeton University's class of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. Now, university officials have not said anything about
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  Speaker 1: the case or what led up to her disappearance. Anyone
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  Speaker 1: information on miss ratching Unity's whereabouts is asked to call
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  Speaker 1: six O nine two five eight, one thousand boats, droned helicopters.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Dave Mack again, I really
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  Speaker 1: need to clarify this. Was she last seen in her
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  Speaker 1: dorm or she last seen outside Scully Hall inside her dorm? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I got some knees for you. It's co ed. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it. I'm saying I don't like co ed dorms,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't. But as far as a crime goes,
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  Speaker 1: if she's last seen in her dorm and she's never
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  Speaker 1: seen again in did she ever leave the dormitory or
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  Speaker 1: is she in there somewhere, we've got another clue. Now
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends, at crime online dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Misron a unite was last senior Scully Home on the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Princeton campus, but her cell phone pinged off campus near
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a New Jersey housing complex, a unitase brother says that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: happened two days after she vanished. The information comes from
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that the twenty year old chaired her location
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: with a family member, but the phone appears to have
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: now been turned off. The brother says that turning off
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the phone would be very uncharacteristic for his sister. Police
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: have visited the undisclosed housing complex three times, searching the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: outdoor areas, including once with police dogs and speaking to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: some residents. Okay, that's not good. When was the last
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: time your team, your child, somebody you know turned off
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: their cell phone unless they're charging at charging it at night.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Did you hear what crime online dot com was just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: reporting again, Dave Mack. Everybody's saying she's seen near Scully Hall.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You are saying she was seen inside Scully Hall in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: her room, brushing her teeth at preston her cell phone.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Now ping's off campus New New Jersey housing complex. Her
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: brother said that ping happened two days after she vanished. Right, Okay,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: her brother Johnathan actually checked when they couldn't get up
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: with her and she wasn't responding to text messages, Nancy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: That's when her brother checked the Apple location sharing and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: he saw that her phone's last ping was at three
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: thirty am. Okay, that Sunday morning, and that was where
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it was near the off campus housing complex. Wait, did
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you say it's an off campus housing complex? Is that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: what you said? Yes, exactly, yes, ma'am. And it's about
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a thirty minute walk from her dorm. Okay, Jason Oceans,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with this location at all? I've been
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to Princeton University a number of times. I'm not familiar
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: with Scully Hall. I'm familiar with the off campus housing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You are familiar with the off campus housing. Are you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: sure Dave mckett was off campus housing or is it
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a housing project? No, it's actually this is it says
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: near an off campus housing complex. Well you're right, then,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you're right. That's not that it can't be that far
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: away from campus. What did you say twenty minutes thirty
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: minute walk or what they're saying thirty minute walk or
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like probably a what three minute four minute drive about
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a mile and a half Nancy. Yeah, Nancy, this is Greg.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Greg Smith, jump in man. Yeah. My understanding
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: is that this is a I don't believe it's associated
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: with the university. This is it just a housing complex
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: where people live, and that police in that area have
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: been out there several times. But obviously they can't go
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: into the houses without a warrant. Well why don't they
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: get a warrant go door to door? For Pete's say,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that's where a phone ping. Yeah, and a lot of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: places are off campus housing that are not affiliated, that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: are not built by or owned by the university, but
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they're still referred to as off campus. But what you're
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: saying is important. It was not campus housing. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I want to go to Glenbard. Former Prinsylvania State trooper
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and now computer crime expert at patctech dot com Glenbard.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: What does all that mean about the cell phone? Break
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it down for me? Well, a lot of things. The
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: first off date appus that they are using an app
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: either something like find my iPhone or Life three sixteen,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and those apps are very accurate. But unfortunately when the device,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: everybody keeps saying being turned off because I've also lost power?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Whoa man, you're too smart for us. You got to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: slow it down. Okay, what just start at the beginning. Okay,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So this thing they're talking about is what it sounds
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like being used with an app either iPhones, Find my iPhone,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or if it's a different device, something like Life three sixties.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: These are apps that allow for families sharing of locations
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for safety purposes, and they are honestly, very accurate and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: very reliable. The thing that it had had showed that
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: location early in the morning, showing us the last one
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and then no more. It could be because the device
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is turned off. It could also be because the device
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: simply lost power, and that's going to be one of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the things that law enforcement can do other things to determine. Okay,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: has the device been turned off, has it lost power?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Has it communicated at other times? Using things like this,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: other records they can get back from the provider ATMT
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Verizon or T Mobile, which I'm sure law enforcement has
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: gotten them and is looking at them to see was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: there the device moving over there was their communication around
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that time? Who was she communicating with winning up to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that point in time? Obviously, was she communicate with somebody
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: with somebody who lived in that housing project. So these
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: are all things that law enforcement will get those records
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and identify because I can really help with the investigation
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: aspect of it. Okay, I've got so many questions based
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: on what you just said. Number one, can you tell
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: do you get the same type of For instance, if
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: she had an Android some type and the brother has
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: an iPhone, can they track each other? I know with
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Life three sixty you can, doesn't matter if the phones
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: are the same type. But with an iPhone, I understand
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: how you can do find my iPhone? Can you find
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: my Android? Is there such a thing there's not to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: find my android? But there are applications very similar to it,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like the one you mentioned being in Life three sixty. Yes, okay,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Live three sixty is a great app I have it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I had to get it when my children went on
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a bus to Disney without parents for their band to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: play their school band to play at Disney. You think
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my children go alone that many miles
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: away without me knowing where they were. Good thing they
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: didn't look out at the back of the bus and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: see me behind them in the minivan. Nat said, I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: wanted the Life three sixty, but so you're saying find
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: my iPhone, and I'm just using that generically like we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: would say xerox for all copies. Find my iPhone can
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: be done on any kind of phone. Life three sixty
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: can be done on any kind of phone. Here's my
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: question to you. Can't police tell if the phone powered down,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: went dead, or if it was cut off? Can they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: tell that? Not completely? They can't come back and say, Okay,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: it was turned off here or it just went out
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of range. But they can start looking at the area
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: around it and seeing me if the device an office
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in a very isolated place, maybe it's out of range,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it's somewhere in that and know that they cannot tell
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: if it went dad or if it was cut off.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: They don't know. You can't tell that, no, just from
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the records themselves and know again, we can kind of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: make it a guess, but we cannot absolutely guarantee whether
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it's turned off, powered down, or put an airplane mode. No,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: we cannot, Sydney show me the kind of phone she
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: has one more time, guys, this is what we know.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You you just show me she has an iPhone Apple
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: location is sharing. Okay, so she does have iPhone, all right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Now that we know that, what more does that tell
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: me about the capabilities of finding it there? They're really
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: really good. Lucy has lost her phone on multiple vacations
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and we can immediately find it and someone picks it
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: up and tells us where it is, then we go
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: there to get the phone. It's happened a lot. But
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: when they get there and they have police have been
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to this student housing complex three times that I know of,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and they can what about it, Greg Smith? They can't
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: get a warrant and go door to door right, Well, yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they can get a warrant if they can establish a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: probable cause. And from everything that we've talked about, we
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: don't have that. We don't have anything that points to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: some crime that was committed. There's nothing there. I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: at the best, we've got a reasonable suspicion that she's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: missing and we believe her to be in danger of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: harm or death. New Jersey is a Kelsey Smithack state.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So they can get the location of a cell phone
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: under those circumstances that may lead them to be able
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to get probable cause. But in this case, she was
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: sharing her her location with minderstanding with her brother and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it stops and you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, that could mean the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: phone turned off, it went out of range, that it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: got damaged, she got thrown in water, who knows whatever?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that, Greg Smith? And you say,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and this is your doing, by the way, then it
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: is a Kelsey Smith state. It is a state that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: has the Kelsey Smith Act, which is a law that's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: been passed in thirty states that my wife and I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: have been working on ever since two thousand and nine.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And what that If you have that law in your state,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: law enforcement has the ability if they have a missing person,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a person where they do not know they're whereabouts. Doesn't
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have to be foul play or anything, they just don't
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: know where they are, and then they have a reasonable
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: belief that that person is in danger of physical harm
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: or death, they can compel the wireless provider to give
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the location of the boone, just the location. That's it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: They can't get anything else. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Now I want to bring in special guest doctor Charles
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Heller that I introduced earlier. Doctor Heller with Rutger's Biomedical
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and Health Sciences Clinical forensic psychologist doctor Heller, I want
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you to hear a little bit about who is this girl? Listen.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Miss Unite came to Princeton hoping to make friends. Her
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: brother says Unite earned a full scholarship to Princeton and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: has recently changed majors to sociology. According to the Catholic
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Diocese of Cleveland, a Unite was a twenty twenty graduate
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of Cleveland's Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School and class
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: valedictorian and a little bit more listen it did from
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Cleveland's Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School in twenty twenty,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: The class valedictorian earned a full right scholarship to a
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: college of her choice through a national programs Unite was
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: reported missing on Monday. Princeton has been tweeting about her
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance ever since, hoping they can reach anyone, hoping
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: some one knows something that will help find misratch. It hurts,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it really does, but hopefully she'll be In a statement,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Diocese said, in part quote, we are praying
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: for her swift and safe return. Okay, doctor Heller, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: wanted you to hear that and see if you agree
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: with me that this is not the kind of young
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: girl that's just gonna go off with a boyfriend, which
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is what cops always say at the beginning. Ah, she's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: just with her boyfriend, not this girl, Nancy. First of all,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the report said that she disclosed her location to her
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: brother to the family, but it doesn't say where she
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: said she was located. She had a location sharing on
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: her phone. I think it's what that meant, So she
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and her brother knew each other's location at all time
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: by shaking their phone, just like I can look at
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: my phone right now and I know where my twins are.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: They shared location. And her track record never missing class,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: being very studious, studying overtime in order to be valedictorian
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of a big high school like that and get a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: four year scholarship to any school she wanted to go
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that she could get into, and she chose Princeton. That
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: tells me a lot about her. She's not hanging out
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: on the corner trying to score a five A five
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: bag so drugs, that's what I'm talking about. That's not
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: who this girl is. That's true, but we don't know
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the full story about her life. We know the highlights.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: But I don't know what her mental health background is,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what the history is. I don't know if she has
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a history of depression. Well let's find out, Dave Mack,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: have you heard anything at all to suggest this girl
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: had any type of depression, chronic depression, or any type
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of mental instability? Not at all. And I looked, I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: looked everywhere I could. Guys, what do we know about
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the day she goes missing? Take a listen to our
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: friends at crime online Universe. A Unity, thirty years old
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: told the US son that his sister eight at Princeton's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Terrace Club on Thursday night. On Saturday, Miss a Unity
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: had an appointment about her application for American citizenship, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: she didn't show up. Since her disappearance, large scale searches
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have been mounted. A helicopter, drones, and watercraft have been used.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The Trenton Fire Department dive team and the Princeton University
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: rowing team has been part of the search of Carnegie Lake,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Okay to Jason Oceans, You and I both have worked
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: with a lot of people that were formerly getting their citizenship.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You know how long it takes to do that to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: get that appointment, how hard it is arduous process. Nancy.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It's difficult, very difficult. And here this girl misses her
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: appointment on Saturday. You know what that tells me. It's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a red flesh. She went missing w Yane Friday, three
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: am on Friday and the time of that appointment. There's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: nothing would have kept her from being at that appointment,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Jason Oss nothing. I agree with you, Nancy. That's the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: critical space right there. So now our timeline has greatly shrunk.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: It's titan, that's a better way to say it. So
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: now we're working in a timeline of three am to
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Saturday morning. We're almost at a twenty four hour timeline,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: which is a lot better than an eighty hour timeline.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: What more do we know? Take a listen to our
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: cut six our forens at Cleveland nineteen Again. Police have
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not said very much about misretch Unity's disappearance, other than
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to say she was last seen around three am and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that was on campus, Worth noting Friday was the last
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: day of classes before the fall recess. Students are on
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: break this week. They'll be back in the classroom next Monday.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And more from k from wk y C. I know
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: she's usually in touch with her family. They're very worried
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: about her. Sir Ra Ellicott was her teacher at Minds
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Matter Cleveland. I've been in touch with mainly her dad
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and her eldest brother. Ellicott says, the undergrad student is
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: smart right and would never just wander off. Three News
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: spoke to her mother over the phone, kon finehand school,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Who gone tondu? Dont no, It's it's just so we
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: still since Sunday it was was worth king. She graduated
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: from Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School at the top
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of her class, and she participated in Minds Matter Cleveland
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that helps low income kids reach their highest potential. Misrock
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and her family have been living the American dream through hard,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: hard work. She finally is making it. She's at Preston.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: She has her appointment for her citizen and ship after
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: all these years, and she misses it. And it's come
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to this. Take a listen to our friends at Wa Bhi.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: At first sight, it might look to be a normal
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: full day on Carnegie Lake as Princeton University's crew team
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: was taking part in their daily workout. However, they weren't
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the only ones out here on the water. They were
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: joined by police and fire search boats. We watched two
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: boats take off in the parking lot for the boathouse,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: which turned into a police and fire staging area. The
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: university has confirmed police are using boats and drones and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: helicopters to search for twenty year olds Iowan Ute. She
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was last seen on campus at Friday night at three
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in the morning. She was right outside of Scully Hall,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the dormitory where she lives. So water search is going
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: on right now. Doctor Charles heller Way in This whole
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: thing worries me obviously as a father, grandfather, a forensic psychologist,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: an expert. It looks grim. It looks very grim. I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: agree with you, Nancy. If I could jump in for
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: a moment. This is John Lemley in the Crime Online newsroom.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: We have some devastating news to pass along. Princeton student
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Miss rot Unite has been found dead. This update comes
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: nearly one week after she went missing. The twenty year
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: old's body was found Thursday, according to the Mercer County
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Prosecutor's Office. The body was found outside on the facilities
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: grounds behind the tennis courts. The discovery was made by
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a facilities employee. Prosecutors say there were no signs of injury.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors also state that an autopsy will be conducted. If
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything, please dial six
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: zero nine to five eight one thousand, repeat zero nine
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: two five eight one thousand fancy Grace climbs tooy, signing
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: off