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Episode 24 | Monday Night Rewind | Bennie Miller | Dalton Irish · Top Row Racing Media Monday Night Rewind

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  It's a stormy Monday in southwest Michigan, Northwest
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  Indiana and around the region. But that must also mean that
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  it's the Monday Night Rewind because it is also storming.
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  So that tells us that it's time Buju to get the show rolling.
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  And so again, presented by national compact touring series
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  Federated Auto Parts Elh detailing this is the Monday
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  night rewind and we're ready to go on.
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  That was another thing nothing wanted to download, but we're we
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  made it through. So again, I'm excited to have
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  Motörhead Miller mafia on Benny Miller.
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  I call him the Mafia boss, but they do such an incredible job.
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  If you know the car that might look like Todd Miller's car, but
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  Benny has been racing that throughout the season over at
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  Corrigan. So again, that's fun to watch
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  him race yesterday and miss all my Springport people.
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  So it's always great to connect with them.
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  And then we have Dalton Irish who just came off of a great
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  finish at Slinger Speedway last Sunday.
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  So not yesterday, Sunday, but the Sunday before that.
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  And so we are talking front wheel drive racing tonight.
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  And so since we're live on national compact touring series
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  that, you know, we can have all the front wheel discussion we
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  want, right? That's right, I'm probably the
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  guy for it too I guess. But I don't know, maybe.
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  Depends who you ask I guess. But like you said, another
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  stormy Monday here, as it always seems to be when we do the
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  Monday Night Rewind. That's how we know that it's
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  Monday, right, is that it's storming, you know, and so
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  again, I encourage everyone to give the especially, you know,
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  storms are moving still down by you.
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  You know, we're done here up in in my part of Michigan.
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  It's sunny now. You can't even tell that it's
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  stormed other than the rain droplets and all that, But I
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  know that part of Indiana still getting hit.
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  So definitely, you know, share this out, give it a like let
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  people know that we're on we again.
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  Benny Miller will join us at seven O 5 and then at 740 Dalton
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  will be coming on. So again, I'm this weekend.
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  It was another 3 three day weekend for me.
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  So I'm like starting to wear down a little bit, but I have
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  another three day weekend this coming weekend and a three day
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  weekend next the next weekend after that.
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  So this is the kind this is the type of year that it just or not
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  time of year that it just starts to kind of go crazy.
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  We have all these big shows this week of summer, Sizzler,
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  obviously at New Paris. We have the Adam Vain Avery
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  Memorial over at Galesburg, you know, for the street stocks
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  there. They'll have a big race up
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  there. So again, it's just.
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  Yeah, and then it doesn't slow down the week after with hot
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  shoe and flagger boy either. So, yeah, and I know, well, and
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  I know you were there on Friday at Kalamazoo when Jeff Gannis,
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  you know, after he won the modified, you know, he announced
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  he's going to be down at Flagger Boy so.
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  Yeah, I did. I forgot about that.
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  But you're right. Yeah, he announced on the and
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  during the Victory Lane interview when Justin asked him,
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  are you going to be back in a couple weeks to defend that?
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  And and so, you know, I'm excited for that because it's
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  one of those things that when you have drivers who race
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  modifieds and they race St. stocks or late models or
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  whatever, maybe, you know, where they split themselves, it's
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  like, OK, where are they going? You know, cuz that's a lot of,
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  you know, it's not like NASCAR and you know, this race over
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  here, that race over there where maybe you could try to do 3 in
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  one day, right? You know, those programs start
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  at the same time. So there's no, probably no way
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  to do that. I mean, maybe there's a way to
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  do that with a private plane. I mean, you could fly Kalamazoo,
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  the Goshen maybe, you know, you could get on an airplane in
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  Kalamazoo and land at the Goshen airport and go around the
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  corner. I think.
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  I think he used to have a helicopter sponsor if I if I
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  remember correctly. That would be convenient to have
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  for him right now, wouldn't it? They didn't know that so, but
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  yeah, you know, I. Could be remembering that wrong
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  but in my brain for some reason. So maybe there's a way that he
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  could fly down and do both shows in the same day, but obviously
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  everything would have to time up just right too.
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  So so I was excited for that because, you know, flagger boy,
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  I know you and I've talked about this.
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  That's our favorite, you know, race of the season pretty much.
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  And so I'm excited to this is my first Sizzler since 2023.
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  In fact, I was playing up until our show.
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  The 2023 Sizzler didn't quite get all the way through the late
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  model because again, Wi-Fi was in and out.
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  Nothing wanted to start on time or do anything on time and like,
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  well, we got almost all the way through, but definitely they
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  didn't get to Mark Shook working that top line yet.
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  So I thought, well, I'll pause it for now and we can come back
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  to it as the week goes on. So, but I know you announced
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  that new Paris on Saturday and got to do that again.
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  So Charlie Han and I know that was one of your highlights, but
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  he had an onboard camera so everyone will get to it's down.
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  They're all downloading now. There's done by now, but but
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  you'll get to ride along with him and watch how he did all
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  that from the top of the line. So I every time it looked like
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  he was almost going to get it right, you know, just it didn't,
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  it didn't seem to to stick as much on the top.
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  I mean, he had the most luck of the day, but I noticed had a
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  Corgan yesterday too, but a lot of single file the last two
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  days. I guess Monday is 3 days, so
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  Sunday, Saturday, there's a lot of single files.
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  So and, and probably more than ever.
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  I saw lots of people when you know, drivers when they go into
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  a corner, the smoke from the tires, I mean that happened
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  yesterday at Corrigan quite a bit too.
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  And I'm like, yeah, I haven't noticed that as much in the last
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  couple weeks prior to that, so. Yeah, but as far as far as
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  Saturday, a new Paris goes in the Street Stock feature.
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  Before we bring Benny on here, real quick shout out to Mike
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  Garver too. I mean, he was out in front of
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  that one and had to hold the chaos behind him.
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  So I mean, I'm I've hyped up Charlie quite a bit and he
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  deserves it. But Mike Garver did end up
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  winning that feature. I don't I don't feel like he's
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  gotten the shine for it as much as I gave to Charlie for putting
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  on a show. So shout out Mike Garver also
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  and the and the rest of the field.
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  I know Haley had problems. Unfortunately, that probably
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  kept her out of the race for the lead and I told Sage after the
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  race as well, I genuinely think that's her best race that she's
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  ran at New Paris. So yeah, just a great St.
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  Stock race. Like I said, I know the the
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  Street Stock world wasn't focused on New Paris necessarily
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  on Saturday and I was questioned how many cars we'd end up with,
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  but we had a full field and a fantastic race so.
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  And that's two. And I was talking with this,
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  with Andy, it might have been Andy Lynn.
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  I said two weeks in a two regular nights in a row.
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  You know, we've had strong car counts.
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  You know, we had VRA a few weeks ago.
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  So you could be like, OK, well, yeah, you know, you had VRA.
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  But even still, you know, with that, even if you took them out,
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  it was still strong counts. You know, streets tech numbers I
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  know have struggled this year, but they've been up the last two
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  shows. And I was, I was thinking about
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  that in the tower on Saturday. And I was thinking back to our
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  episode on of the podcast earlier in the year when Evan
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  Verdine was on and he mentioned how times are different.
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  Guys are slower to get their cars together.
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  Now here it is end of July and car counts seemingly are going
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  up pretty much everywhere. It seems so.
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  Yeah, I know engines have held people back.
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  And that we've had that problem, yeah.
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  Getting that done. So So, yeah, I mean, it's just
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  you're also going to have the time of year where, you know,
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  equipment starts to go right, Because I mean, we've just, you
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  know, grind every every almost every week.
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  I mean, most Saturday tracks haven't really had to cancel too
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  many shows where Fridays obviously have just been
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  obliterated. But but that's why I'm excited
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  to bring on Benny. I know he's talked about a
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  couple weeks in a row and and if new parents is watching, they
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  get to see Benny because I know he's been talking about, you
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  know, expanding what he's doing. So if you're ready to go front
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  wheel, I saw Tom Metz junior yesterday.
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  So that's why I did the little front wheel discussion, you
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  know, thing at the front because I hadn't seen him in a while.
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  I'm like, I don't see him race tracks anymore.
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  But. He appears sparingly anymore.
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  You know, busy lives busy. Time.
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  Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, he's got small stuff going on, so.
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  Oh yeah, but again, tonight's all front wheel drives.
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  Not only is a Co host a front wheel drive racer, but then our
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  two guests are front wheel drive racer.
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  So why don't we go ahead and let's welcome in Benny Miller
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  again from Motörhead Miller Mafia Racing.
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  So, Benny, how are you doing tonight?
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  I'm doing good good. Thanks for having me on.
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  Oh, I'm going to change the late.
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  I'm going to go to this layout. I like that one better, but you
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  know, I'm excited to have you on it.
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  I know we've talked about it for the last couple weeks and and,
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  you know, getting you on because you're getting to that time of
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  year where you have usually your big race, you know, with the
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  Motörhead Miller Mafia racing, you know.
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  But. You yourself are also doing
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  point racing and other things that are going on.
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  So if you I always call up the softball question, if you, you
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  know, just kind of start us with like who you are.
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  So those who are watching, especially if Chris and Tracy
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  pop on from new pairs, they can see the face behind Benny
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  Miller, right? The person who comments, but but
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  you know, you know just who you are, how you got into racing.
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  And then, as I always say, every week then.
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  Well. Short version then.
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  All right, all right. But no, take your time.
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  It's just like I always say, it's shoot first, same second.
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  So we will just go where the conversation goes.
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  All right, all right, back in, back in 2004, I actually
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  actually got, you know, the interview man, man, racing,
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  racing, racing. Well, I, I, I did my game game,
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  got friends, helped him build the building car started racing
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  racing with him and and he's had a lot of a lot of.
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  So I, I sold my own car and then in the process I I hooked up
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  with a with a couple other other operators, drive drivers,
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  whatnot, ran Speedway, Speedway. That's where I went where and
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  there I ended up helping them out, open them out green card
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  cards, miles St. stocks. Of course I worked on these
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  contractors and just had a you know, every time I jump in a car
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  and have a great I got out of race season back in 2007 I
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  think, I think and got in the motor and I started racing,
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  racing motocross. Took it, took it.
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  I get my kids to the state for my first career motocross.
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  So kind of start back with not just too old anymore anymore and
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  just just concentration on my family, family and life.
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  Well then, then a couple of people that I work, I work with
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  actually. Found.
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  Out who I was, I died. That's another another and asked
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  people to build cars. 1st, 1st jump, jump back.
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  And the one gentleman, actually, he was, he was background.
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  He was, he was, he was, he asked me to build, build his
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  daughter's daughter car. And yeah, yeah, no problem.
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  I'll do that. So I built his daughter's
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  daughter car and well, you know, you know, it should be a safety
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  issue. So let me go first.
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  First race of Springport opening 19/19/21, 2121 or 2222 and
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  you're out there in one race. Race first time back, back in 15
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  or 16 years and right, right. And it's all.
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  It's all I'm trying. To figure out.
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  So I know Boosie, you said echo. Yeah, wake up is saying echo,
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  but I'm not hearing an echo. I wonder if it's just the stream
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  in general. I mean, I don't know.
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  Sorry, Benny, that yeah, a couple say Echo and I.
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  Have yeah, I I have it intermittently when just when
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  Benny's talking, but. Yeah, I have all the mic
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  settings. I have echo cancellation, reduce
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  mic background noise. I automatically adjust.
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  So I don't, I don't know, I guess we'll figure it out.
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  Well, but again, that's where, you know, I think, you know,
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  when you can reflect on your career, Benny, and you look at
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  everything that you've done and every, you know, I mean, even
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  motocross, I knew that a little bit, right.
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  And but then it made me think of Scott Gates, you know, when you
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  mentioned that too, because you know, he did that and was, you
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  know, very much into that as well that, you know, and all
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  those things that you've done. You know, how do you find
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  yourself again loving front wheel drive racing, you know,
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  after doing St. Stocks and other things like how
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  do you find yourself loving that when a lot of times, you know,
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  especially as you move up and you do different things that
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  sometimes people kind of look down on that front wheel drive
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  racing? To be honest with you, we have
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  more fun in the front wheel drive more competitively.
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  I believe it's a lot easier if you're on a topic for sure,
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  sure. But it's I think it's.
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  A lot. More that's a lot more door to
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  door and I don't I don't care what you're asking those weather
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  dirt, asphalt way up north or down South.
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  It's door to door action. That's what I what I would.
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  Thought about it. Well, I think, you know, we're
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  looking at Corrigan yesterday, right?
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  They had a healthy account, you know, of cars and both, I mean
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  both. Well, I guess you would count it
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  all four, all four features, you know, produce really great
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  action. You know, it's too bad.
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  I was telling Jude Jack on the way home, you know, because I
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  called and let him know since he didn't make it yesterday.
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  I said, you know, the racing was great.
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  You know, Corrigan, I, it just, it's a shame that so many people
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  didn't go right and, and watch it.
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  And that was, I think that was what was frustrating with me.
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  You know where from my perspective, right where, you
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  know, there's only so many ways that I can do like tight shots
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  and all these different things and, and the bleachers where I
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  am, you know, when to zoom out. It's like I got to get the
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  grants. I got to get the flag standing
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  there and all that. It's sometimes it's tough, but
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  of course got people online of who also have to point out, you
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  know, the crowd size because that's a thing for a lot of
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  people. But but it's one of those that
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  both or you know, all four features produce really great
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  racing. You know, green flag to white
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  flag, the checkered flag and there was not a repeat winner
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  yesterday. You had four different feature
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  winners across the the 2A's and the 2B's.
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  I it made me wish that more tracks did the twin feature
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  thing instead of. That's something new, Jim Lee.
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  And to be honest, we're kind of. Like like.
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  It. He's trying a lot, a lot for
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  different new things this year. It's Kindle both way, but but I
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  think, excuse me, excuse me, the rather rather help help.
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  It was pretty pretty warm and warm and humid yesterday.
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  I know, I know a few of us in the infrastructure, but but I
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  mean, it's it's good race. Jim does try to put a good show
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  on. Well, and I think again, that's
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  where, you know, I don't think that, you know, he gets the
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  credit for that, you know, for trying things in the Sunday
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  slugfest, you know, or a throwback, you know, to
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  something that they used to do from what people said, you know,
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  back in the day. But you know, those twin
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  features are really, again, I just I know Granny County does
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  them in Illinois. I know Berlin does them over at
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  Berlin Raceway. They'll do twin features, but a
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  lot of times others, hey, we've been doing it this way since the
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  70s or the, you know, heats and features.
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  That's what we do and that's the way we've done it and that's the
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  way it'll always be. And I think, you know, there's
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  a, you know, it's kind of like, well, you know, I don't want to
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  watch the same movie all the time, right?
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  So, you know, when you get twin features, it's a little
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  different. And so and it and each race
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  produce different results. I mean, like I said, four
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  different feature winners. And so again, kudos to
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  everybody. The races were pretty clean too.
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  I mean, you know, I know sometimes that was that.
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  If you look back at the beginning of year, that was the
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  hesitancy when Corrigan announced that they're doing 20
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  features is almost universally people were kind of against it
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  and and all this will be done. This will ruin things, you know,
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  pay out this breakdown, that sandbagging this, you know, all
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  that kind of deal that it's like, I don't know, yesterday,
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  you know what, 20, what what was the final count?
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  It was full A and full B. So what like 28 front wheel
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  drives or something like that? It was 28.9.
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  You know, they split it down the middle and great racing in both.
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  So. Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah. You know, I believe last year I
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  had my my personal best finish. Any A's up there up there
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  yesterday? Yeah, so, Buchi, have you seen
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  twin features before? Up there, I'm not not quite sure
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  which definition of twin features you mean so.
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  Like, you know, instead, I mean, you have the twin 50s like a new
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  Paris, but that's. Like where they split the field
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  and they. So you get your A and your B,
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  you know, like let's say new, Paris said we're going to do
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  twin features, that we're going to do something different and
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  change things up. You know, we're going to do twin
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  features. On Championship 9 they take
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  their 40 laps St. Stock race and do 20 122nd time.
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  Or you could do like Corgan had a race where it's like 5 laps
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  less than the other, where like one race was 15 laps and the
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  other one was 25 laps, you know? So then it was 35 laps total.
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  What you would have ran green on checkered but we just split it
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  so. I got, I got it.
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  That's basically what M40 did a couple weeks ago with the Crown
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  Victoria class. It's the first time I've seen it
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  in person. So, so, Benny, just so you know,
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  and I know we've seen lots of the, I've done every setting I
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  can on the Echo, so we're just trying to make it work.
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  But April's taken the blame for the laptop, she said my old
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  laptop. So, I mean, we're trying, yeah.
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  Well, so I. Should put mafia sometimes boss,
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  but yeah. So bear with us on the echo.
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  I I have every possible setting that I can click on these
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  microphones short of muting us all so.
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  I think it's a stream issue just so it's a weird thing because
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  he's in, he's only in and out for me and I don't know if it's
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  the same for them and he's fine for you.
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  So yeah, just have to roll with it I guess.
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  Yeah, we, Yeah, well, I know Storm still going.
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  I mean, I just like I said, my Wi-Fi has been acting up all day
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  anyways. They're all afternoon, I should
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  say. So if I see cameras reset when I
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  go upstairs one more time, I may just unplug them all and go 1 by
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  1 and download all the footage personally, and that will take
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  way more time and I'll be way more frustrated with it rather
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  than all uploading at the same time.
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  But every time I check on them after another lightning bolt or
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  whatever, I'm like, reset again. This is all you know.
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  Of course it's when I have 4:00 features on there, not one
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  feature, but 4 features. So it's fine.
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  You know, these cameras are pushing my buttons, but it's not
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  their fault. You know, it's just storms, you
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  know, can't control the storms, unfortunately.
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  But but Benny, if you want to talk a little bit about and and
• 21:34
  maybe I help summarize. So if I mean is there echo Buju
• 21:37
  when I'm talking? Nope.
• 21:39
  OK. So.
• 21:40
  So OK, yeah, we'll so we'll blame April since she's not on
• 21:43
  the stream. It's all April's fault.
• 21:45
  So April showers bring Benny sound problems, you know, but.
• 21:50
  I I haven't met you, April, But they said that, not me.
• 21:55
  Also, it was super fun. I got a chance to see her
• 21:57
  yesterday when I was going and leaving in the parking lot.
• 22:00
  So it's always great to see everyone.
• 22:01
  Like I said, you know, I get this is the thing, Boosie, when
• 22:04
  you get up to Corrigan and you get to connect with a lot of the
• 22:08
  Springport drivers, I mean, there's drivers there who some
• 22:11
  don't race at Springport, they'll get Bertron and that
• 22:14
  kind of deal. But so many of them are
• 22:17
  Springport and it's just the feel everything just feel like
• 22:20
  you're back at Springport. You feel at home, you know, it's
• 22:24
  kind of like, I don't know, in some ways I almost feel like
• 22:27
  it's top row country up there, you know, because not.
• 22:29
  A lot. You know, not a lot of people
• 22:31
  have covered that area. No, you're right.
• 22:33
  Absolutely. I I don't know about a lot about
• 22:35
  that area outside of what you've told me basically or what I've
• 22:38
  seen on your channel. So yeah, and you know, you got
• 22:40
  Connor bass up there and he's you know, he helps that Corrigan
• 22:43
  and does that and you know, he'll be in Michigan cop and
• 22:46
  different things with bass product, bass racing
• 22:49
  productions. But, you know, but it's one of
• 22:52
  those things that I kind of get up there and it feels like, OK,
• 22:55
  now we're definitely in tack row country, you know, down here,
• 22:57
  it's a little saturated. We got a lot of people doing it,
• 23:00
  but you kind of go up in that circle.
• 23:02
  There's just not a lot, right? And so so walking through the
• 23:06
  pits, getting to see everybody, it's just it's always so nice,
• 23:09
  you know, just to see and get hogs.
• 23:10
  Because that's the thing, Benny, with Springport, right, like not
• 23:14
  being open is that a lot of people kind of split and went
• 23:16
  different directions for now. Obviously next year when Spring
• 23:19
  Port's back open, you know, I think the floodgates will go in
• 23:22
  the opposite direction. But that's kind of so let's kind
• 23:26
  of get into then this Motörhead Miller Mafia 1000, right?
• 23:31
  You know that we can kind of talk about that and and kind of
• 23:34
  doubt, you know, since we're there and you had that idea to
• 23:37
  do it at Springport, but if I remember, it didn't quite work
• 23:41
  at Springport. So you ended up doing at a core
• 23:43
  again or did you do it? Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 23:45
  But you that's where the idea was kind of started was at
• 23:48
  Springport. So if you want to talk a little
• 23:50
  bit about, you know, you talked about your background, you're
• 23:52
  racing, you know why you like front wheel drive racing.
• 23:56
  Now let's talk about your focus on the little guys.
• 23:59
  You know, cuz the A's are the A's.
• 24:00
  They're the big guys. They're the big dogs of front
• 24:03
  wheel drive racing, right? They're the fastest.
• 24:05
  A lot of them are national compact racers and you know,
• 24:08
  whatever. But you get the B guys who are
• 24:12
  just fast enough to be fast, but maybe, you know, on most nights
• 24:16
  not fast enough to be in that A. And then obviously your C
• 24:19
  feature guys who are definitely not, you know, they're not going
• 24:23
  to go one-on-one with like Matthew LC Junior.
• 24:26
  So you know, just because it's not going to it's not going to
• 24:29
  be a contest, right. And so, you know, it's always
• 24:32
  like that a feature though, that gets that higher payout.
• 24:35
  So you've come in out of your own funding with your own
• 24:39
  sponsors and everything. You go to these tracks and you
• 24:42
  set up, Hey, we want to do the Motörhead Miller 1000 to win B
• 24:47
  feature. Sometimes you've done it for AC
• 24:49
  feature. So if you want to talk about
• 24:50
  like the seed of that, why you chose to do that for like the B
• 24:55
  guys and the C guys and and what you've learned in doing all
• 24:59
  that. OK, so so when I got back in the
• 25:02
  18, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make shows.
• 25:07
  I'd never remember the show and. There's always.
• 25:11
  The big, big shows for like you said, the eight teachers here
• 25:15
  and there, whatever, whatever, but but where was the little
• 25:18
  guy? He's back there helping, helping
• 25:21
  the show, but but they're not not in the mail.
• 25:25
  They're not in the regular regulation.
• 25:27
  And and so I'd I'd thought about it long hard, and my partner is
• 25:35
  trying Kevin Mcchain. And I was talking about it,
• 25:39
  right. He's like, yeah, yeah, I'll go
• 25:41
  in. I went on there with you.
• 25:43
  So we, we, we, we presented, presented in Shine the
• 25:50
  announcement of Springport and told him about it.
• 25:56
  He's like, hell yeah, hell yeah. We need to do this.
• 26:00
  So I I post Donnie. And there was there was I guess
• 26:06
  there was some, some, some whatever, and it just didn't
• 26:12
  work out. So I hope Jim Leisure and Jim
• 26:15
  Leisure went yeah, yeah, let's do that.
• 26:19
  He said pick the time. What you, what you're?
• 26:23
  Saying. And I put everything together
• 26:25
  together, presented leisure agent.
• 26:28
  Well, well, that first year we pulled, I don't remember the
• 26:32
  other number, but I think we pulled.
• 26:35
  Like like. 53 cards which which was a longer number or accordion
• 26:40
  The trump will drive right. Last year was a year was a
• 26:44
  second year. We.
• 26:48
  Pulled in then. I just seen seen it.
• 26:51
  First day today, I think it was 88 cards.
• 26:54
  This year? Last year.
• 26:58
  And once again, again it was hit.
• 27:01
  We ended up doing 1000 thousand for the BS and a 500 CCS.
• 27:10
  The reason the reason I mean like that is 1000 bucks for the
• 27:13
  car cars or the car car. That's that's.
• 27:16
  That's that's that's that's, that's.
• 27:24
  You know, you know. That's, that's what we want to
• 27:28
  do because it's a beginner class and we want that little guy move
• 27:32
  forward. We want to see him have an
• 27:34
  achievement and, and just just be excited about, you know.
• 27:39
  Go, go for it. Well, and that's.
• 27:42
  Again, that's where. That when you get.
• 27:46
  Like 1000 to win like that for that little guy, you know,
• 27:49
  that's something to chase. And I know there's probably
• 27:51
  somebody watching who goes, Oh yeah, then you get all those
• 27:54
  sandbaggers who are going to, you know, and I get it, like.
• 27:59
  Right you. Know but there, but there's a
• 28:02
  time that it catches up to them, right?
• 28:04
  I mean, almost always anytime, almost anytime someone's been
• 28:07
  accused of sandbagging, and I'm not going to obviously say
• 28:10
  names, but anytime people have accused them of sandbagging,
• 28:13
  almost always the clock catches up to them on the track at some
• 28:16
  point, you know, and or the official see, you know, hand
• 28:21
  signals like slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow
• 28:24
  down, you know, and, and I know Donnie called out people in the
• 28:28
  past for things like that, Like you don't think we're dumb, you
• 28:31
  know, like we know what you're doing, right.
• 28:33
  But again, a vast majority and I think this is what we need to
• 28:37
  remember because I can always, I can hear racetrack owners and
• 28:40
  promoters saying I don't know about that because, you know,
• 28:43
  and it's like, OK, But you know, again, if we went back to the
• 28:48
  season at the start where Corgan oil said we're doing twin
• 28:51
  features, no heats, just twin features for our weekly program
• 28:54
  and everybody online was annihilating it.
• 28:57
  It seems like most people know they were begging for twin
• 29:00
  features at these, you know, slug pass everything.
• 29:02
  They wanted the twin features, you know, no one.
• 29:05
  I didn't hear anyone yesterday complain about no heat races
• 29:07
  because they got 2 features, you know, and, and it's OK to do, to
• 29:11
  do things different. We don't have to do it like it's
• 29:13
  1960 all the time. You know, we can actually
• 29:15
  venture out into 2026 and try new things and it may not work
• 29:19
  the first time and that's OK. Rough drafts.
• 29:22
  Are supposed to. Be crappy.
• 29:23
  You make them better as you go and you know, like, so you guys
• 29:26
  have tweaked this over and over. You know, you tried something,
• 29:30
  you saw what worked, you saw what didn't work.
• 29:33
  But again, you're recognizing those those.
• 29:36
  Classes within the. Class, you know, because the the
• 29:39
  A's are going to get the nice payout usually if they race with
• 29:42
  Drew Jack in the national compacts, they're getting 1000
• 29:45
  to win, right. They're getting those big
• 29:46
  things. But as you said that you know
• 29:49
  the the B guys and the C guys are sometimes the ones that
• 29:51
  here's 60 bucks. Thanks for coming They and and
• 29:54
  again, and I know you know tracks might be going well.
• 29:57
  How does this get funded? You're funding it right.
• 30:00
  You're bringing the money you're bringing.
• 30:04
  Yep. You know, so you're bringing
• 30:06
  this, you know, to your this opportunity and possibilities to
• 30:11
  that. And and I know this year, you
• 30:13
  know, you've worked with tri-state sprints a little bit.
• 30:15
  So you went, you know, you got insurance things handled, you
• 30:18
  got all these things handled that you PRI.
• 30:22
  We kind of talked to you like man, I'm learning a lot, you
• 30:24
  know, because you. Know you're having to dive?
• 30:26
  Into some things that you quite hadn't had to dive into, you
• 30:30
  know when you're you know doing at other times.
• 30:33
  And so I think that's the thing that what I really appreciate
• 30:36
  about what you guys have done in the support that you guys have
• 30:39
  been able to do with that, you know with that race and and
• 30:42
  those drivers is it gives the vast majority of those drivers
• 30:45
  in the B who were going to be in the B anyways.
• 30:47
  You know, we're not talking about the one or two out of the
• 30:51
  16, you know, the one or two who are going to try to play the
• 30:54
  rules. You know, we're talking about
• 30:57
  the 14 who are probably going to be in the B.
• 31:00
  That's their feature. That's what they do.
• 31:02
  They're in it every week. They know what to do.
• 31:04
  They race with the same people and then they'll see you guys,
• 31:06
  you know, instead of 60 bucks or whatever, you know, 500 to win
• 31:11
  and and we're not wrecking each other at the start finish line
• 31:14
  to get it. You know that it's been, again,
• 31:17
  just each time you've had it, you've had great racing, you
• 31:20
  know when you've showcased that. And so, yeah, yeah, it was.
• 31:23
  It was. Pretty good.
• 31:25
  Or to door race racing ASP James B James B Yeah, yeah, it's
• 31:31
  morning my everybody. Well, and I think.
• 31:34
  Again, that's where you know it's at.
• 31:36
  Kudos to gym leisure. Again, I know like.
• 31:39
  There are different reasons. And different things that people
• 31:41
  kind of, you know, say whatever, right?
• 31:43
  But you know that track, everybody knows that track could
• 31:46
  be closed. He doesn't have to run it.
• 31:48
  He doesn't have to keep it open. And he's keeping it open for the
• 31:51
  racers. He's offering the racers
• 31:52
  opportunities. He'll even say that himself.
• 31:55
  You know that he doesn't, you know, he could take a bloodbath
• 31:59
  doing different things in life and not, you know, not running a
• 32:01
  racetrack. And that's prime real estate.
• 32:04
  You know where that racetrack is too, right at the corner where
• 32:07
  that is, you know, people delivers, developers have one
• 32:10
  that and if thrown numbers, you know, that would make eyes pop.
• 32:14
  And so I think that's something that I, I hope, you know, for
• 32:18
  the rest of the season, you know, with Corrigan racing, I
• 32:20
  know they race on Fridays and then Fridays are tough for
• 32:23
  people. But you know what, Harvest is
• 32:25
  coming up in a few weeks. Other, you know, other shows are
• 32:27
  coming up to get out there and support.
• 32:29
  And so where is your Motörhead Miller Mafia race going to be
• 32:33
  this year? And on what date this?
• 32:36
  Year we're going to be at, we're going to ask you right for
• 32:40
  harvest, which was August, August 28th or I think.
• 32:45
  August 30th let me OK, OK, 'cause there's a there's a big
• 32:49
  mini wedge race that's going to be announced for the same day
• 32:52
  at, I believe at Kalamazoo because I, I may be trying to
• 32:57
  pull double duty. So yeah, the harvest.
• 32:59
  So it's August 30th, August, August.
• 33:03
  So that's, is that a Sunday? I don't, I don't.
• 33:07
  Oh yeah, Sunday slug test #4 Figure 8 championship.
• 33:10
  Also I'm reading it on my race pass.
• 33:13
  Figure 8. Championship.
• 33:14
  The Motörhead 1000 front wheel drive and it's also the 70th
• 33:18
  anniversary. So so you have a feature to win
• 33:23
  1025 laps, 25 laps twin features B feature to win 1020 and 25
• 33:29
  laps. So they'll be the B features
• 33:31
  will be doing 45 laps that day and then C feature 500 win 1515.
• 33:38
  So they'll be racing a total of 30 laps that day.
• 33:40
  And then of course they'll have a mod, a special modified twin
• 33:44
  feature event pick gates open at 12 racing start as their Sunday
• 33:50
  programs have been the racing starts at 5:00.
• 33:52
  So again, that's something that you know, plenty of opportunity,
• 33:57
  plenty of chance for people to get there.
• 33:59
  And so you know, when you're when you're looking at we're
• 34:04
  almost a month away from that. We're a couple days north of
• 34:06
  1000 thousand. Oh my God.
• 34:09
  A month. For that thousand win B feature,
• 34:13
  you know what kind of rules? And like I said, I I've had a
• 34:17
  couple commenters comment on the mic situation.
• 34:20
  We know it. I've every setting like I said,
• 34:23
  short of kicking Benny off and muting him and saying come back.
• 34:28
  That. We're we're we're working
• 34:30
  through it. So I will repeat if something
• 34:32
  doesn't come across clearly, but just bear with us.
• 34:35
  It, you know, it happens. I mean technology is not perfect
• 34:38
  but or to be a lot more expensive than what it already
• 34:41
  is. But what should people racers or
• 34:45
  fans? But let's start with the racers
• 34:47
  aspect. What should racers know about
• 34:50
  rules? Set up anything like that for
• 34:53
  Corgan oil if they were to come to the slugfest?
• 34:56
  Safe safety. Safe safety.
• 34:59
  I'm. Big on safe because you guys
• 35:01
  will be tacking right you. Will I?
• 35:04
  Always see it. I don't actually do it.
• 35:06
  I just, I just see it. I will be able to be able to
• 35:10
  power watch and watch times and whatnot.
• 35:13
  Not we. We probably will not announce
• 35:16
  qualifying times again, again like we have had last year last.
• 35:20
  Couple of years we've done that. Yep, we've blocked blocked the
• 35:23
  whole and and hopefully in bag bag what not what not.
• 35:27
  Other than that, General Corgan Oregon oil Speedway rules so as.
• 35:34
  Long as they fit the ABC rule format, which I think are pretty
• 35:40
  close to national compact rules, are pretty close to Galesburg
• 35:44
  rules, pretty close to Springport rules.
• 35:46
  I mean, there may be some differences in there, but.
• 35:51
  You know, but. For the most part.
• 35:55
  That. If you probably race at
• 35:57
  Galesburg, if you race at, you know, Springport, you're
• 36:02
  probably good to go. So so again with that, you know,
• 36:07
  check the rules, but again that B features 1000 to win and that
• 36:11
  thousand split between the the like is it I have to be able?
• 36:16
  To give change and Jim, Jim, as of right now, I don't believe
• 36:19
  that's not set up. It's 1000 split.
• 36:22
  Well, we might, might be able to see something.
• 36:25
  Not quite sure yet. Yeah, 'cause that's what.
• 36:27
  They do with the twin features is they they split that pay.
• 36:30
  So if it's $500.00 for the day, you know, I, you know, to win
• 36:34
  it's what, 252? No, that's not right.
• 36:39
  Yeah, no, that's 500 two 5250, you know, to the winner.
• 36:43
  So 1, you know, if you swept then you get 500, right?
• 36:47
  But if you split and let's say Buju wins feature #1 you'd,
• 36:52
  they'd hear it all the way back in Northwest Indiana if he won
• 36:54
  the feature. But you know, he, he wins
• 36:57
  feature number one. And Benny Miller wins feature #2
• 37:00
  Buju takes 250. Benny takes 250.
• 37:02
  But if Buju, you know, wins feature one and crashes somebody
• 37:06
  for the win and feature #2 and takes him out at the line and
• 37:10
  says that's how we do it in South Bend.
• 37:14
  Then you. Got 500 to win so you know.
• 37:19
  Oh wait, fighting happens elsewhere, not at South Bend.
• 37:21
  My bad. But anyways.
• 37:23
  But. You know that's not the.
• 37:25
  Buju just caught up. But but anyways, that's where
• 37:29
  right, you know, so everyone understands that it's not $2000
• 37:33
  total, it's 1000 split between the two features, 2nd place.
• 37:38
  If it's 500, that's split between 2nd and 2nd, right?
• 37:41
  Like it just goes through there. That's how the twin features
• 37:43
  work. But again, that's pretty
• 37:45
  exciting though for them to have that opportunity and I'll be.
• 37:50
  Honest, I have. I have a watch on myself, you
• 37:53
  know, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, the last two
• 37:59
  years. My, my, I've had a had a driver.
• 38:03
  I went to it because the first year she was Billy Elliot.
• 38:08
  Billy Elliot. And.
• 38:12
  Yeah, yeah, it was true, true. Finish, finish.
• 38:15
  And we had we had my car because her car literally as you were
• 38:20
  back, back in. So I I just had my car there.
• 38:26
  It, it just just, I'm not even right.
• 38:30
  But anyway, he came up. He came up and jumped in the
• 38:32
  car. Please.
• 38:34
  Yeah, All right. And Connor had a perfect finish.
• 38:39
  Finish. Yeah, it was great.
• 38:42
  And then then last year I had Brandy Adams.
• 38:48
  He he jumped in my car. I had him in the.
• 38:50
  Car from here. And you went out there and you
• 38:55
  won it. My car, my car was there this
• 38:58
  year. This year.
• 39:00
  So so. It's it's.
• 39:03
  Well, and so. Bryson Beebe asked.
• 39:06
  And Tina Lewis just for you. Buju, did you see the comments?
• 39:11
  I. Saw it, I might put it on the
• 39:12
  screen. Just to see you spaz out again
• 39:14
  because I was maybe 1. By the way, I know this is a
• 39:17
  side thing, Benny, but if you get a chance to watch the new
• 39:23
  Paris Bowl program once that's up, it'll be tomorrow because I
• 39:25
  didn't have time. I Andy Lynn, you haven't met her
• 39:29
  yet. Hope you meet her soon.
• 39:30
  But she was on the roof with me during the street stock race and
• 39:32
  I looked at her and I because all of a sudden the PA mic just
• 39:35
  went dead and I looked at her and I said I think Buju just
• 39:39
  crashed out during that. He.
• 39:40
  Was so excited. Announcing it, I thought he died
• 39:43
  or he fell over, he fell out of the chair, he unplugged the
• 39:47
  whole system or something happened and then afterwards I'm
• 39:49
  like, I'm pretty sure that he needs to go have a smoke right
• 39:52
  now because. For that.
• 39:54
  Feature and then he made a Hornet B feature sound as
• 39:58
  exciting too. I mean he does an incredible job
• 40:00
  on the mic, but there are a couple of times and like someone
• 40:02
  needs to go down and do a pulse check on him.
• 40:04
  So but then hearing so he didn't spaz out on Saturday.
• 40:08
  But if you talk about South Bend speed, you know Motor Speedway
• 40:11
  turning into a dirt track, you will see Boujou turn bright red
• 40:16
  on the whole red. I'll start bouncing.
• 40:20
  I know, I know. That.
• 40:23
  It. Just it it's.
• 40:25
  It would almost be fun but but but.
• 40:32
  But but. Going back to Bryson, I mean
• 40:35
  they're all related, Tina and Bryson and all them.
• 40:36
  So it's all in the family right now, but Bryson had so if he's
• 40:40
  raced at Spartan Corrigan, you know in a points for most of the
• 40:44
  season, you're pretty much locked in today.
• 40:46
  You're not going to be in this B or C feature race, so the.
• 40:51
  Hardest, Hardest points race. It's they're they're they're
• 40:56
  missing per SE. OK.
• 40:59
  But. If I remember correctly also
• 41:01
  also if the win the win the a a side too.
• 41:04
  Yes, yeah. So I mean it doesn't really, you
• 41:06
  know, like in yeah, it was 1000 win, 1000 win B.
• 41:10
  So in the grand scheme, you know.
• 41:15
  The money. Is the same, right, But
• 41:17
  obviously the competition will be, you know, different because
• 41:20
  on a harvest like that, yeah, you might get, you know, some of
• 41:23
  those national compacts to come out or whatever.
• 41:25
  And they're right. Some cars may not just be able
• 41:28
  to go run with those kind of guys.
• 41:29
  So they might be thinking like cut line, you know, but usually
• 41:32
  Corrigan has been taking what, like 14 to the A or something
• 41:36
  like that. Fourteen.
• 41:37
  Yeah. Count.
• 41:39
  I mean they try to. Split it down the middle for the
• 41:41
  most part, but and congratulations, Keith on your
• 41:44
  win yesterday. But you know, that's something
• 41:47
  that you know, you just. You know, depending on account.
• 41:51
  Right. You know, if, if, if 16 cars
• 41:54
  show up, you're probably on an A.
• 41:56
  So congratulations, you know, but that's probably not going to
• 41:59
  happen because you can almost almost bet that there's going to
• 42:02
  be close to at least 30 front wheel drives.
• 42:04
  I mean that even on the Sunday shows, Corgan has had a super
• 42:08
  healthy dose of front wheel drive racers.
• 42:10
  They no short supply, you know, but yesterday the modifieds had
• 42:15
  a great count. I mean, they had a great count.
• 42:17
  So you know, that was probably their better count of the year.
• 42:20
  And you know, but it also helps that they weren't really coming
• 42:23
  off the Super big shows. But but again, you know, it's
• 42:27
  you just said harvest is not a point sign.
• 42:29
  So if it's like in years past, you're probably you're just
• 42:32
  going to qualify where you qualify.
• 42:33
  And just to be clear, because again, I know with your mic, no
• 42:36
  one has said it's my mic. I think it's on your side.
• 42:39
  But just so everyone knows too that in the past when you've
• 42:44
  done this Motörhead Miller race, you just like Springport did a
• 42:48
  few years ago and Kalamazoo has done a couple times, you turn
• 42:51
  off my race pass so that nobody can see their times.
• 42:54
  Absolutely. It's not because you're.
• 42:56
  Hiding things. It's because Because.
• 43:00
  This yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen success with?
• 43:03
  That I'm, I'm curious about that because I've it's not a concept
• 43:06
  that I've heard of before. So do you think it's worked out
• 43:08
  for you so far? Actually, I do I.
• 43:10
  Do we we've caught caught a few drivers that I that I normally
• 43:16
  know no one pipe homes. It was on.
• 43:20
  Not that I'm right, right with them, with that.
• 43:23
  No, no. And I can see them, but nobody,
• 43:28
  nobody else can. Yeah.
• 43:30
  And you can tell back out a little sooner.
• 43:35
  Sooner. Yeah, Callum was.
• 43:38
  You pretty consistently sometimes that's you'll hear the
• 43:42
  front wheel drive racers going well they turned off times again
• 43:45
  and that's because sometimes what happens especially with
• 43:48
  this ABC format, this is where you got people go ahead they
• 43:51
  would do it to. The Hornet, sometimes the South
• 43:53
  end too, but that was because of the breakout time or so than
• 43:56
  sandbagging. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:57
  But yeah, with the ABC format, the proponents of ABC format are
• 44:02
  they talk about how for the most part you're with your qualifying
• 44:05
  group, you're with people who you're timed with.
• 44:08
  You know, you're not kind of you don't have a fast car that's
• 44:11
  stuck in the slow heat or all these other things like, you
• 44:14
  know, you're a or usually your fast cars and then tracks will
• 44:17
  also look at time and and so you're pretty much racing with
• 44:20
  what you can run. So if you can only run AC car
• 44:22
  because hey, you're just trying to get to the track.
• 44:24
  You spent $200 on the car, you put a couple thousand and then
• 44:27
  just make it safe and legal. You're just damn happy to be at
• 44:31
  the racetrack and you're in the C future putting around doing
• 44:35
  your thing. Then, you know, you don't have
• 44:37
  to worry about all of a sudden Matthew LC junior or gourd or
• 44:42
  Benny Miller, you know, zooming by you, you know, on the top
• 44:45
  side where you're like, oh, what it's like a bumble me coming
• 44:48
  around ready to sting or whatever.
• 44:50
  Right. Then that's but that's where you
• 44:52
  get the people who are against ABC and have all the reasons
• 44:55
  against ABC other than why I don't want to compete with those
• 44:57
  fast cars. You don't have to compete with
• 44:59
  the fast cars. You know, like you just got to
• 45:01
  look at the concept and and see that it's worked at like
• 45:04
  literally every track that's doing and that's why they're
• 45:06
  doing it. And but again, we got to do
• 45:08
  things like it's the 60s, but you know that that time, you
• 45:14
  know, you don't lose the championship because you went
• 45:16
  too fast. You know, you don't, you don't
• 45:18
  have these things that go against you.
• 45:19
  But those who are against it, that's what they say.
• 45:21
  Well, I don't have the money to race with those fast cars.
• 45:24
  You don't have to race with those fast cars.
• 45:26
  I'm like, that's the bestest. For the motor head, Yep.
• 45:30
  But. That's where like at New Paris,
• 45:31
  I've had the conversation with drivers.
• 45:33
  I'm like, you already run ABC, you just don't call it that,
• 45:36
  right? Right.
• 45:37
  Your 4 cylinders. Are your A, your Hornet A is
• 45:39
  your B, and your Hornet B is your C?
• 45:41
  It's already ABC. You just don't call it that.
• 45:43
  It's the same concept, you. But everybody worries about the
• 45:46
  letter next to the feature name. All right, I don't.
• 45:49
  I'm not AB feature car. Well, yeah, you actually are,
• 45:52
  you know, like, honestly, you are.
• 45:54
  Just accept it. It's OK.
• 45:56
  It we'll move on. Yeah, I don't.
• 45:58
  Understand. I don't understand the issue
• 45:59
  with it. It's like you, you qualifying to
• 46:01
  the race you're in. I don't like your racing cars.
• 46:03
  That I don't, yeah, it blows my mind.
• 46:06
  I can't even grab my brain around.
• 46:09
  It and. That is a concern.
• 46:10
  Right. And that's why they turn the
• 46:12
  time off. You know, that's, that's the
• 46:13
  other thing against it. While you'll get those
• 46:16
  sandbaggers. And again, out of 16 cars in
• 46:19
  that group, maybe two of them tried to purposely race into the
• 46:24
  B, right? And then they've also got A.
• 46:26
  Game to play then if they were, if they do that, you know what I
• 46:29
  mean, they were they were racing 2 races at the same time.
• 46:31
  Then I had to play that game with the breakout in Hornets.
• 46:33
  It's like it's you're running a whole different race at that
• 46:36
  point. So yeah.
• 46:37
  And that's, you know, and that's.
• 46:39
  Where again, that ABC allows you to travel around a little bit
• 46:42
  too, you know, like instead of worrying about breaking out and
• 46:45
  having to move up a class or whatever, which is like what
• 46:48
  you've had to deal with Buju, right?
• 46:49
  Where like, OK, I can't go faster than this.
• 46:51
  And Oh yeah, I've I hit the blockade moving.
• 46:54
  Up, but I want to break up this track.
• 46:56
  So I got to be faster, right? Like it's one of those things.
• 46:58
  And again, I get why I get why everyone does what they do.
• 47:01
  I'm, I'm just saying that there's more positives than
• 47:04
  negatives. You know, at the end of the day,
• 47:07
  car counts with ABC are higher than those that separate their
• 47:10
  classes. I mean, that's just my race pass
• 47:13
  shows that, you know, that I don't need numbers anywhere
• 47:17
  else. My imaginary numbers, I can just
• 47:18
  open my race pass go ABC, ABC, ABC, ABC, 20 more cars, 30 more
• 47:22
  cars, 20 more cars, 20 more cars, 40 more cars.
• 47:25
  If you're Galesburg, you know, like because they get like 70 of
• 47:28
  them, it seems, but but you know, it's one of those things
• 47:31
  that it just it really helps for those drivers like, hey, you
• 47:35
  know, I don't, I don't have to try to computer.
• 47:37
  And if you want to go faster, you don't have to try to go
• 47:40
  slower because your home track says, well, if you go too fast,
• 47:43
  you can't race here anymore, you know, so, but again, that's
• 47:46
  where that 1000 comes in. That's exciting that you do
• 47:49
  that. And you know, and so again,
• 47:54
  Harvest, I just want to repeat just because I know with the mic
• 47:57
  thing. August 30th.
• 48:00
  Oh no, we've had it other times too.
• 48:03
  Like when we had Melinda Russell on, there was like an echo.
• 48:06
  We've had, you know, it's technology is technology.
• 48:09
  I mean, we just got to work through it.
• 48:10
  It's not. Again, it's not perfect, but
• 48:12
  again, August 30th, Sunday slugfest #4 that's also the
• 48:16
  Figure 8 championships. And if you've not seen Figure 8
• 48:18
  races at Corrigan Oil Speedway, do that.
• 48:22
  But they will have the Motörhead Miller 1000 to win B feature 2.
• 48:26
  It's twin feature day, so they'll raise 20 and 25 laps.
• 48:30
  And then the C feature will also be part of the Motörhead Miller.
• 48:34
  That's 1515. And then the A is 1000 to win.
• 48:37
  And just again with the twin features, that 1000 to win is
• 48:41
  split between the two features. So take the payouts all the way
• 48:44
  down and split them between the two.
• 48:48
  And of course, rules are online to do that.
• 48:51
  But other than that, Benny, I know Dalton just joined on, so I
• 48:54
  know we're getting close to time here, but but other than that,
• 48:58
  is there anything else that that I'm missing, you know, with did
• 49:02
  you happen? To notice, yeah, I saw the.
• 49:07
  I saw the. Danger Ranger but Derrick Davis
• 49:11
  raised not Derrick Davis because Buju is his brother is Derrick
• 49:17
  Davis but spelled differently. OK, so when they talk about.
• 49:20
  Davis Family. Racing in South Bend, he's part
• 49:23
  of Davis Family Racing at the same Davis Family Racing.
• 49:26
  At Springport. So because there's a.
• 49:28
  Davis of the. North and A Davis of the South.
• 49:30
  Yeah, I thought you were breaking news with me.
• 49:31
  I. Thought I thought, he said.
• 49:33
  I'm 40 this week all. Differently.
• 49:36
  He is DERIC if I remember correctly.
• 49:39
  Yes. Yep, so.
• 49:41
  Not DER. EEK, but but Davis is spelled
• 49:44
  like Davis. No spoiler but but.
• 49:49
  Yeah, I saw the danger Ranger even.
• 49:50
  To I even zoomed in on that because I tried to figure out
• 49:53
  I'm like, I don't remember seeing it parked in the pit
• 49:55
  area. And of course I got there late.
• 49:58
  So I didn't walk all over the pit area to see everything, but
• 50:01
  I was focused on camera, camera, camera, camera, camera, camera.
• 50:04
  He got he got really late. OK, when he was losing love, it
• 50:07
  actually actually awful lot really.
• 50:10
  So he had a manhandle it and and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's oh,
• 50:16
  that's not. Good, but that's racing, baby.
• 50:22
  But if you haven't had at least one car.
• 50:24
  Powerball, you're not a racer. Amen.
• 50:28
  Yeah. I well, and I was there long
• 50:31
  enough. I must have just missed.
• 50:33
  I must have been just busy somewhere else missing it
• 50:34
  because I, I didn't see that happen.
• 50:36
  But yeah, I saw the Danger Ranger and I'm like, well, it
• 50:39
  looked like the Danger Ranger. But then when they Chris Foby,
• 50:43
  when he said Derrick Davis, I meant.
• 50:47
  OK. And I kind of.
• 50:48
  Moved on. I'm like, well, it's not any of
• 50:51
  it's not any like I know Derrick Davis, right, but it's like it's
• 50:54
  not who I thought it was. And so right, I went Oh, OK, but
• 50:58
  it you know, it was fun to see that still going.
• 51:00
  I know I thought Scott still had his.
• 51:02
  It's been in the enduros and all that.
• 51:04
  So I know it's been beat up a little bit and he did the send
• 51:06
  it jump with it. So it might actually be done.
• 51:09
  But Nope, that's actually older. Not, not.
• 51:16
  Oh wow, that'll be. Somebody down here down.
• 51:20
  There. All right, well.
• 51:23
  Again, I know Benny, we went just a little bit over, but I
• 51:25
  know with Mike issues, right, like some of it was just me
• 51:28
  repeating what you're saying in case and and no one, like I
• 51:30
  said, we work through the technology stuff.
• 51:33
  It's not perfect. It is what it is.
• 51:35
  You know it 24 episodes. We've had more good luck then,
• 51:38
  but then you know, not good luck.
• 51:39
  So at the end of the day, I kind of remember in the grand scheme,
• 51:43
  in the grand picture of things, like it's not every time that we
• 51:47
  have something like that. So it's usually me messing up
• 51:49
  the graphics, if anything. But there's a lot to change on
• 51:54
  these graphics. But.
• 51:55
  But again, thank you so much for joining us tonight and talking
• 51:58
  about the Motörhead. Yeah.
• 52:00
  Not only you, but the Motörhead. Miller Mafia 1000 to win B
• 52:03
  feature and then 500 win C feature again twin features.
• 52:07
  So that will be a split, split cost, but you might enhance that
• 52:11
  a little bit. You know, you said that.
• 52:12
  So again, all funded by you. So if other tracks listening are
• 52:17
  interested in something like that, I know you've reached out
• 52:20
  to New Paris and I think that would be fun to bring it down
• 52:23
  South of the border. You know, I've talked with with
• 52:26
  you guys about getting down there just to try out the track
• 52:28
  if we have car to. Where we haven't had any, it
• 52:33
  will be wow. That would.
• 52:38
  Again, that's. I mean big payout, right?
• 52:41
  And so and I know I mean new pairs, they've been getting what
• 52:44
  Buju about 10 to 14 four cylinders depending on the night
• 52:48
  give or two and get about 26 Hornets on average.
• 52:53
  So that I mean right there, you know those 4 cylinders just like
• 52:57
  national compacts would be racing, you know with the a
• 52:59
  group, you know any outlaw Cromwell drives that come down.
• 53:02
  But just like almost everywhere in.
• 53:05
  Michigan, except. M40 so but it.
• 53:09
  Is what it is, everybody. Has their own sandbox, right?
• 53:11
  But again, thank you so much for joining us tonight, Benny.
• 53:15
  Thank you for having me. Oh no.
• 53:17
  Again, you're very welcome. And so again, we've been talking
• 53:19
  with Benny Miller from Motörhead Miller Mafia Racing.
• 53:22
  Again, if you're looking for something to do August 30th, put
• 53:26
  that on your timeline. Or not timeline.
• 53:30
  Oh my gosh, Buju words. Put that in your calendar for
• 53:34
  slugfest #4 and if you've not been to those Sunday Slugfest,
• 53:38
  you're missing out. The racing has been absolutely
• 53:40
  incredible, and since we're almost at the top of the hour,
• 53:43
  do it now so we don't have to interrupt Dalton's interview.
• 53:46
  But we have the Monday Night Rewind again that presented by
• 53:49
  national compact touring series Federated Auto Parts.
• 53:51
  ELH Detailing and don't forget this Thursday, I don't think I'm
• 53:56
  going to be anywhere where I'm late this week.
• 53:58
  So last week I was late getting back and so definitely wouldn't
• 54:01
  have had time. But we will be back on the
• 54:02
  throttle talking about the upcoming weekend again.
• 54:05
  We have Summer Super at New Paris, that is one of the big
• 54:08
  shows in the area. Then Adam and Avery Memorial
• 54:11
  over at Galesburg Speedway for the Street Sox.
• 54:14
  That is the other big race in the area going on.
• 54:17
  So someone with the National Compact Touring Series who just
• 54:21
  raced over at Slinger, not yesterday, Sunday, but the
• 54:25
  previous Sunday, made the trip from one side of the state of
• 54:28
  Michigan all the way down and around and over to Slinger was
• 54:32
  Dalton Irish. And so I talked with him about
• 54:34
  coming on and so excited to have Dalton on.
• 54:37
  So let me pop him on to the staging area.
• 54:40
  Dalton, welcome to the Monday Night Rewind.
• 54:44
  I'm having issues now, Louis. I can't hear anything.
• 54:46
  Can you hear me? Oh yeah, we can hear you.
• 54:48
  Can you? Can you hear us?
• 54:52
  Hello. Hold on, let me leave and come
• 54:57
  back. Let.
• 54:57
  Me see if that might do it. Yep, again, it's a storm.
• 55:02
  Scenario too, I mean my wife has been just, I mean I'm on 2 bars
• 55:07
  in and out. So.
• 55:09
  So we'll let Dalton come back in and out, and here's Dalton.
• 55:15
  Nope, because he was. On.
• 55:19
  So. Well, here we'll.
• 55:25
  Work through it again, We're we're flexible.
• 55:29
  So let's. Talk a little bit about.
• 55:31
  Are you going to the Sizzler? I don't know yet.
• 55:33
  It's going to. It depends.
• 55:34
  On my Derek Davis, it depends on what he's got going on Saturday.
• 55:37
  We're we're having some issues with the car where the right
• 55:39
  front is breaking traction, spinning.
• 55:42
  So we're trying to figure that out.
• 55:43
  If we can figure that out, he'll probably race on 40 and I'll be
• 55:46
  with him. But if not, probably Sizzler.
• 55:49
  Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping for. A huge crowd.
• 55:52
  Can you hear us now, Dalton? I got you now.
• 55:54
  We're good there. We go.
• 55:55
  Yeah, we can hear you. Sometimes.
• 55:57
  So here's what happened. Because you're I've noticed
• 55:59
  you're on your cell phone only because of how the picture came
• 56:01
  in. That's why I went with this.
• 56:04
  If you got a notification at any point during this happened to
• 56:08
  the World of Outlaw guy, it happened.
• 56:09
  Who else have we had on when they've been on their cell phone
• 56:12
  and it just it, it seems to just impact, you know it.
• 56:15
  Ron Rash. Ron Rash.
• 56:17
  Yeah. Numerous times, which is weird
• 56:20
  have. Anything come through on it so.
• 56:21
  I don't know that would be the only.
• 56:24
  Thing I can think. Of.
• 56:25
  Then he got kicked off and. Then it just went silent.
• 56:28
  So that's what it is. Well, again, Dalton, thank you
• 56:33
  for. Coming on and joining us tonight
• 56:34
  I I I I know we talked a little bit about Slinger about coming
• 56:39
  having you come on and and Dalton is the reason why I
• 56:41
  realized that I need to upload even the Thursday night episodes
• 56:45
  to Spotify because he's mentioning like, hey, I listen
• 56:47
  to this when I'm at work or doing these things and and it
• 56:50
  also and then when we were talking like, oh, I didn't
• 56:52
  upload that episode. You know, just these three day
• 56:55
  weekends are catching up to me a little bit where I feel like I'm
• 56:58
  just constantly turning the wheels to get to the next
• 57:00
  project. But but it is what it is.
• 57:03
  But Dalton, you kind of know because we talked about it and
• 57:05
  obviously you listen to the show all the time you know that this
• 57:08
  is a shoot first same second. So I always start off with my
• 57:12
  favorite question just so those who are listening, you know, who
• 57:16
  may not know you, you know from the east side of the state that
• 57:19
  we don't get to see you too often on this side or definitely
• 57:21
  probably not often in Northwest Indiana.
• 57:24
  You know, who's Dalton Irish? So I started.
• 57:27
  Racing back in 2008 at Auto City Speedway in a Hornet, which that
• 57:34
  car ended up kind of morphing into a Mini Stock, but it just
• 57:37
  wasn't able to compete. We went to M40 in 2016 to run
• 57:43
  with the Southwest Michigan Mini Stock series and I knew right
• 57:48
  off the trailer we didn't have the car for it.
• 57:50
  So started clocking around around the pits and got hooked
• 57:54
  up with Jeremy Dameron to get a new chassis built and that was
• 57:57
  2016. Finally got the car out.
• 58:00
  About 2018, the series died sadly.
• 58:03
  And then we were kind of stuck, you know, no places around our
• 58:07
  area. We're really allowing rear wheel
• 58:09
  drive, 4 cylinders. So we were driving to Angola,
• 58:13
  South Bend, New Paris every once in a while.
• 58:15
  So it was a lot of miles. And that was kind of where I saw
• 58:19
  you and you know, I liked what you were doing.
• 58:22
  So I was like, I got to follow this guy and see see what's
• 58:25
  going on here. So it was always nice to have
• 58:27
  that between you and Dimmet from South Bend and it's kind of led
• 58:31
  me here. You know, many stocks weren't
• 58:33
  really allowed with the National Compact Tour.
• 58:36
  And for me it just made sense with the tracks around me
• 58:40
  allowing more front wheel drives and not the rear wheel drives to
• 58:45
  sell that car and build the front wheel drive that I have
• 58:47
  now. Well, and that's where I
• 58:50
  remember Chris. Highball used to talk about it
• 58:52
  all the time. You know, the, the IT was like
• 58:54
  what, a four hour drive or something like that, A three
• 58:57
  hour drive, something like that at that point.
• 58:59
  South Bend. Polling, and this was about 7580
• 59:03
  mile an hour the whole way it was about 3 1/2 hours.
• 59:06
  Yeah, yeah. And so.
• 59:07
  As I remember that, I remember, you know, him talking all the
• 59:10
  time about you coming down and racing and and doing that.
• 59:14
  And so I know that's like you said, that's where our paths
• 59:17
  started to cross a little bit and then they've crossed, you
• 59:19
  know, a lot more over the last couple years.
• 59:21
  But and obviously you have your victory by design chassis built
• 59:24
  car right behind you. And So what has it been like for
• 59:28
  you running then with the national compact touring series
• 59:31
  after trap? You know how I mean now you're
• 59:33
  you are traveling again in a way, but you know, not weekly
• 59:37
  perhaps to go all the time. So what has it been like?
• 59:42
  And we're on the national compact page right.
• 59:44
  So we get to do some promoting there for Drew.
• 59:47
  See, I got my mankind cheap pop in there, but so if.
• 59:52
  You wanna talk? About it's a little bit of a.
• 59:54
  Different travel. This is more of the series
• 59:58
  really works with me. So you know, a couple weeks ago
• 1:00:00
  we were up at Whittemore. Well, Whittemore's a little over
• 1:00:03
  an hour one way from me. I was probably the closest guy
• 1:00:05
  that ran there other than the locals that were there.
• 1:00:09
  You know, we've hit Owosso Birch runs 3 miles from my house, you
• 1:00:12
  know, so it was really hard to pass all these other race
• 1:00:14
  tracks, which the travel's different now because you're not
• 1:00:18
  driving 7 hours in one day just to go round trip.
• 1:00:22
  A lot of it's actually closer, so the travel's easier and the
• 1:00:25
  pay's good. So it kind of makes sense no
• 1:00:28
  matter what. So what's your favorite track?
• 1:00:32
  Then that you've gotten a chance to race and are you, since
• 1:00:34
  you're on that side of Michigan, are you planning to make the
• 1:00:37
  down and around and over the corner into Canada for the race
• 1:00:41
  this Saturday or what? What are your plans?
• 1:00:44
  But so favorite track, I guess to start there.
• 1:00:47
  And then if you're planning to go over to Canada, since
• 1:00:50
  literally Canada's like a neighbor to you.
• 1:00:52
  So bougie's going to love this. Because South Bend's my favorite
• 1:00:55
  track, 100%. I got my first feature win there
• 1:00:59
  in 2019. It took eleven years to do it,
• 1:01:02
  but it finally happened that that is 100% my favorite track.
• 1:01:06
  I wish I could run there every week, and I wish it wasn't a 3
• 1:01:09
  1/2 hour toll. But no, I do plan on going to
• 1:01:12
  Canada. Actually, I'm undefeated in
• 1:01:14
  Canada. Oh yeah.
• 1:01:17
  So back in. 2019, they had a Invitational up at Solvable
• 1:01:23
  Speedway and it was on a Sunday and I'm like well let's take the
• 1:01:26
  day off Monday and just see what happens.
• 1:01:28
  You know, the rules are kind of close.
• 1:01:29
  There's a couple things I had to add, wait for and ended up going
• 1:01:33
  over there. They didn't qualify.
• 1:01:35
  You're in two heat races. Your average finishing position
• 1:01:38
  from the heat races was like you're qualifying spot.
• 1:01:41
  So it was kind of dirt style which it made the show a lot
• 1:01:44
  more interesting and the heat races mattered.
• 1:01:47
  So ended up qualifying after that like 8th ish somewhere.
• 1:01:52
  Got to the lead in about 10 to 15 laps and went home with the
• 1:01:56
  check and all the money. So it was pretty fun.
• 1:01:59
  So hopefully can do that again this Saturday.
• 1:02:02
  Did you like you said? That you like that kind of like
• 1:02:04
  that dirt style, right, because it made the heat races matter in
• 1:02:07
  Abuja night. We've had this conversation
• 1:02:08
  before, but sometimes like again, this is you know,
• 1:02:12
  sometimes people might think like, oh, you're negative
• 1:02:14
  towards it's like no, I just I've seen so much junk happen in
• 1:02:18
  heat races that you know, for 20 bucks.
• 1:02:20
  I mean, I was listening to drew Jack at Slinger and he said
• 1:02:25
  you're getting no money for this heat race basically, you know,
• 1:02:28
  don't crash and the one the one heat was a little little rowdy.
• 1:02:34
  They might have had some extra cheese in that, in that heat
• 1:02:37
  race, but I mean, we were in Wisconsin.
• 1:02:40
  It made sense, right? But but it's like you're, you
• 1:02:42
  know, the feature is what matters, right?
• 1:02:45
  So you know, running that kind of dirt style, you know, where
• 1:02:48
  the, you ran 2 heats and hey, average of that.
• 1:02:51
  Like if that was a like, let's say Drew Jack went to that kind
• 1:02:55
  of concept, is that something you think would be cool or do
• 1:02:58
  you like what you do now? I would like that.
• 1:03:02
  I think the issue comes in with the time restraints, you know, a
• 1:03:04
  lot of places that we're racing or, you know, under curfews or
• 1:03:08
  what have you. So it's it's kind of tough,
• 1:03:10
  honestly. I would love to scrap the heat
• 1:03:12
  races and go to like an Australian pursuit.
• 1:03:15
  Yo, Yeah, yeah and just. Make.
• 1:03:17
  Something more. Entertaining because, you know,
• 1:03:19
  if guys know that the heat races don't pay, they're not really
• 1:03:22
  apartment to race in them. They'll single file and just
• 1:03:25
  run, run the laps. At least in an Australian
• 1:03:27
  pursuit there's some pass and some action.
• 1:03:29
  Just more for bragging rights than hey, I just want a heat
• 1:03:32
  race, you know, well, in in. 40 a few weeks.
• 1:03:35
  Ago they did us at the Merle Classic, they did Australian
• 1:03:39
  pursuits and you can tell there were a lot of people who didn't
• 1:03:42
  know what was going on, especially the drivers.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah, like it. It definitely.
• 1:03:47
  Takes you a couple times running 1 to get used to it and know how
• 1:03:51
  they work and how the rules are, but if you get a a group of guys
• 1:03:55
  that really know what they're doing in one of those races,
• 1:03:58
  that might be the best race of the night honestly.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, I mean, I was entertained by the Australian.
• 1:04:04
  Pursuits because I had never watched one before or if I did,
• 1:04:07
  I don't, I don't know that it was called that.
• 1:04:09
  You know, if it was, you know, when I was at a younger kid at
• 1:04:12
  Grundy or Illiana, I I mean, usually heat races or heat
• 1:04:15
  races, features or features. But that's where I'm for as far
• 1:04:20
  as I know, that was the first time that I really watched
• 1:04:22
  Australian pursuits and I was entertained by them.
• 1:04:25
  I mean, they were a little different.
• 1:04:26
  You could tell, like Buju said, that some drivers weren't sure
• 1:04:30
  either what to do with that. And, and I know Frank Gasco had
• 1:04:33
  to explain it a little bit on how it works and what what it
• 1:04:37
  is. And so it's just, it's not
• 1:04:40
  something that's done too often, right?
• 1:04:41
  Like I said, we just kind of have this.
• 1:04:43
  We basically take the same tape and put it in, you know, week to
• 1:04:47
  week. Here's your heat, here's your
• 1:04:48
  feature. Go home.
• 1:04:50
  You know, right? Like Whittemore.
• 1:04:52
  Whittemore. Over on this side of the state,
• 1:04:54
  they've always had that home track feel.
• 1:04:56
  Every class, every night runs an Australian Pursuit.
• 1:04:59
  So it doesn't matter if it's the limited late Models, if it's the
• 1:05:02
  modified St. Stocks, everybody's running the
• 1:05:04
  Australian Pursuit along with their heat race.
• 1:05:07
  So it really gives a little extra and it turns the heat race
• 1:05:10
  almost into like an extra practice session.
• 1:05:12
  And then the guys really go all out for the Australian Pursuit
• 1:05:15
  because it's fun to win. Yeah, no, see.
• 1:05:19
  Maybe something boos you to, you know, trying, you know,
• 1:05:23
  advocating. For.
• 1:05:24
  But so you talked about your first win at South Bend.
• 1:05:28
  Yep. So other than.
• 1:05:30
  Like South Bend? Where else have you parked in
• 1:05:32
  Victory Lane? Couple heat.
• 1:05:35
  Races. Over at Galesburg, a couple at
• 1:05:38
  Owosso and then Canada as well. So actually most of it's
• 1:05:44
  actually at South Bend. That might be a factor into why
• 1:05:47
  it's my favorite. So what would you do you want to
• 1:05:51
  see? Buju's face turn super red right
• 1:05:53
  now. There you go, here we go, Flare.
• 1:05:55
  And is this going to be the time where he had?
• 1:05:58
  The cheering section or the booing section at South Bend one
• 1:06:01
  night? Oh, I missed that.
• 1:06:03
  No, I, I'll. Pause that conversation.
• 1:06:05
  That's the department right there.
• 1:06:08
  I want to know what this is so. We'll come back to that part.
• 1:06:12
  So we'll make Buju sweat a little bit because Buju knows
• 1:06:14
  where I'm going. Oh, in this garage, I'm sweat.
• 1:06:16
  Anyway, go ahead. Tell me this.
• 1:06:19
  Section because I feel like I missed out on it.
• 1:06:22
  What's so it was. Back in 2021, I didn't have time
• 1:06:28
  for stickers, really just painted the car, rattle can blew
• 1:06:32
  and just I had my mother-in-law print out some stickers on her
• 1:06:35
  cricket just so I had a number and I think I stretched it out
• 1:06:39
  to a little over a half a track lead.
• 1:06:43
  And I guess somebody in Turn 4 had like a big booing section
• 1:06:49
  that would be like, I don't remember who.
• 1:06:52
  It was. What it was but I I know there
• 1:06:54
  was some booing section and I think it was either Derek or
• 1:06:57
  Buju that said something about it on a Facebook post because I
• 1:07:00
  had no idea that night. I saw it like 2 days later.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah, yeah, I think I might have an idea.
• 1:07:09
  I'd have to go back and look at it, but I think I have an idea.
• 1:07:12
  I'll tell you after Louis. OK, well.
• 1:07:16
  Everybody. Everybody else.
• 1:07:17
  Watching might want to know I mean, or is it like did you I
• 1:07:21
  know these people? Well.
• 1:07:26
  I mean, but. I well, I'm out of turn 4, so
• 1:07:28
  I'm I must have just been my own world.
• 1:07:30
  I think it was turn 2. If I'm thinking of what I missed
• 1:07:33
  all that in turn 2, but I could be.
• 1:07:35
  Wrong. I don't know.
• 1:07:36
  We might be. On different pages here too, but
• 1:07:39
  we. We did have some booing.
• 1:07:40
  Sections. At South Bend, so maybe I'm
• 1:07:42
  thinking. So I left.
• 1:07:45
  A few minutes to post that pretty much the whole track.
• 1:07:49
  It sounds like he had like maybe a small section in the front
• 1:07:52
  stretch that cheered him on, but everyone else took their turns
• 1:07:55
  booming right. But except Buju.
• 1:07:58
  He had the bumblebee. So he just stung along.
• 1:08:00
  But you know, but but where I was going to go with this is so
• 1:08:04
  last week we had a there's an interesting post that someone
• 1:08:07
  made. Tina Lewis knows Buju is about
• 1:08:11
  to get fired up and it's going to be amazing.
• 1:08:12
  But so obviously, you know, South Bend's for sale.
• 1:08:17
  If and I asked Buju at the end of our podcast last week, I said
• 1:08:21
  if it meant staying alive because someone do you know what
• 1:08:23
  what page it was? You remember the page, Nick?
• 1:08:27
  'S Tremie shared the post. He's super popular by the way
• 1:08:30
  too, but he shared the post. Oh yeah.
• 1:08:33
  I am a big fan of. Extremities.
• 1:08:35
  So that's where, you know, he's a popular guy.
• 1:08:37
  Extremities obviously have a legacy at South Bend, you know,
• 1:08:40
  but he posted a picture where it was a dirt track.
• 1:08:43
  South Bend was a dirt track. So how would you feel if they
• 1:08:46
  put dirt on your favorite track? If they put dirt on it?
• 1:08:52
  I guess I'm building the dirt car.
• 1:08:55
  Honestly, that's what would end up happening with me too,
• 1:08:58
  Dalton. But I would still throw a fit
• 1:09:00
  about it. I think one of the things that
• 1:09:02
  I. Like the most about South.
• 1:09:03
  Bend it is it's it has the most character out of any track I've
• 1:09:07
  ever been on. You really have to know how to
• 1:09:09
  work the patches everywhere from concrete to asphalt.
• 1:09:12
  And I think that's what makes it so much fun, because you get too
• 1:09:16
  low out of four, you're getting shut up to the.
• 1:09:17
  Wall exactly like you go to a lot.
• 1:09:20
  Of places like. Perch run here or even Owosso,
• 1:09:23
  you know, they're really, really smooth.
• 1:09:25
  So when you go to somewhere with a lot of character like that,
• 1:09:27
  it's hard your first time, but once you've configured it out,
• 1:09:30
  it's a lot of fun. Same thing like with M40 with
• 1:09:33
  the dip going into three, you know, if, if it's your first
• 1:09:36
  laps there and nobody tells you about it, you're going for a
• 1:09:39
  ride, you know, don't hit the brakes, don't hit the brakes
• 1:09:41
  over that. Bump.
• 1:09:42
  No, as soon as you get that blade.
• 1:09:44
  Back in the throttle, well, that's where we had.
• 1:09:47
  Obviously Benny was just on him and Todd.
• 1:09:49
  So Todd race at M40 a few weeks ago and he was talking about
• 1:09:52
  that cuz I warned him he had he had been talked about in 40.
• 1:09:55
  I said turn 3 when Ohio women were there.
• 1:09:58
  Turn three. If you can figure out turn 3,
• 1:10:01
  you'll be OK. I mean, for the most part, don't
• 1:10:04
  get to, you know, watch how you come out of four because the
• 1:10:06
  wall comes out of nowhere if you come off wrong.
• 1:10:10
  But I'm like turn three, if you can do that, you'll be fine.
• 1:10:14
  And it's kind of like New Paris. I tell everybody like we had
• 1:10:18
  race and Mason down there. Bryce has had a chance to race
• 1:10:22
  New Paris, so he knew what he was getting into.
• 1:10:25
  Mason had not yet. And I said turn 1 and 2 and I
• 1:10:28
  said if anyone's going to razzle dazzle you, it's going to be on
• 1:10:31
  it's on the backstretch. They're not going to do it on
• 1:10:33
  the front stretch, although they might get creative going into
• 1:10:35
  turn one. But almost always it's you know,
• 1:10:37
  they're going to razzle dazzle on the backstretch because it
• 1:10:40
  kind of does one of these things there and that's where someone
• 1:10:43
  will drive in the grass to razzle dazzle.
• 1:10:45
  But but one and two is if anyone.
• 1:10:49
  'S going to get hit and. One and two, it's going to be
• 1:10:51
  going into Turn 1. You know, it's not usually come
• 1:10:54
  out of turn 2 unless someone got bumper tagged on the back, but
• 1:10:57
  it's almost always going to turn 1 is where the pile UPS happen
• 1:11:00
  and then over into turn 3 that I mean, that's just kind of where
• 1:11:04
  it happens, right. And so and and Mason did really
• 1:11:07
  well with there. He figured that out.
• 1:11:09
  But but that's where, you know, you think about M40, but then
• 1:11:11
  even South Bend, I mean, that's one thing that a lot of people
• 1:11:14
  talked about and even Kenny Wallace, you know, we talked
• 1:11:16
  about like the G Force is that you just experienced.
• 1:11:19
  Yeah, you know, if you want. To talk about a little.
• 1:11:21
  Bit and even Buju you can too again, I'm just the video guy,
• 1:11:24
  so I I don't get to walk the surface too often out, you know
• 1:11:28
  but if you Dalton want to talk about how does a car react, you
• 1:11:32
  know for those who may not even you know, they may not even know
• 1:11:34
  because they race at like Kalamazoo, which is pretty much
• 1:11:37
  one surface right they race at maybe Springport, pretty much
• 1:11:40
  one surface Owasso, certainly you know the money they've put
• 1:11:44
  it in there one surface right. There's probably not too many
• 1:11:46
  patches in that track yet, but what's it like when you when you
• 1:11:50
  race at South Bend and you had all these different Shades of
• 1:11:54
  Grey, not the movie, but the you know, but maybe people fell that
• 1:11:58
  way towards the track, but you know that's depending on how it
• 1:12:01
  reacted to them that night. But you know how does a car
• 1:12:04
  react to all those different surfaces that it's experiencing
• 1:12:07
  in one race? Really, you just have to.
• 1:12:10
  Be up on the wheel. The whole time, because if you
• 1:12:13
  hit one patch wrong and catch a right rear or anything on a
• 1:12:17
  concrete and it slips or what have you, you're going for a
• 1:12:20
  ride. And at South Bend, things happen
• 1:12:23
  really fast. So you could really wad your
• 1:12:25
  stuff up in a hurry. So it's it's knowing where to be
• 1:12:29
  on the track at all times and just kind of paying attention
• 1:12:33
  and really hitting your marks there.
• 1:12:35
  Because as soon as you as soon as you mess up exiting a corner
• 1:12:39
  or entering a corner, it's, it's going to be a problem.
• 1:12:43
  So here's a question I saw. Someone did this the other like
• 1:12:47
  a few podcasts ago. And I thought since you just
• 1:12:49
  said it to, it's a phrase that a lot of drivers use, hit your
• 1:12:52
  marks. And there was a race fan who
• 1:12:55
  watched one. I forget which podcast was, but
• 1:12:58
  it was a few weeks ago. They literally said, what does
• 1:13:00
  that mean? And someone got on there,
• 1:13:01
  explained it. But maybe for those who are
• 1:13:03
  watching who maybe doesn't know exactly what that means for you
• 1:13:06
  and you don't have to give your remarks, right?
• 1:13:08
  But you know, as a driver, how do you figure out your marks?
• 1:13:13
  How do you figure out what you need to do?
• 1:13:15
  Because your marks may be different from Buju's marks, so
• 1:13:20
  it. Really depends.
• 1:13:22
  Track to track, obviously No 2 tracks really are ever gonna
• 1:13:26
  drive the same. And then it comes down to cars.
• 1:13:29
  So like with the National Compact Touring series, there's
• 1:13:32
  so many different types of cars that really none of them are the
• 1:13:35
  same even setup wise from a Civic to a Civic or what have
• 1:13:39
  you, they're completely different.
• 1:13:41
  So you almost go out the first Test session and just guess.
• 1:13:46
  That's the easiest thing to do. You guess and try to get behind
• 1:13:50
  somebody that's either been there before or that you trust
• 1:13:53
  to run a good line. And, and after that it's just
• 1:13:57
  kind of searching. So like Slinger, it's a lot of
• 1:14:01
  searching around there just because it's so much different
• 1:14:03
  than whatever we run. Berlin's really goofy as well.
• 1:14:07
  So it's really just finding out where you're comfortable and
• 1:14:10
  then checking the stopwatch against it.
• 1:14:12
  Because if you're comfortable but the stopwatch is saying it
• 1:14:15
  ain't good enough, you might have to get uncomfortable and
• 1:14:18
  just deal with it, you know? Yeah, because that's where I
• 1:14:22
  thought, well. We really haven't talked about
• 1:14:24
  like Marks and what that means. And and so I thought that would
• 1:14:28
  be since you had said it, like, Hey, this, that's the perfect
• 1:14:31
  time. I remember someone saying that
• 1:14:32
  that like, what does that mean? You know, for those who may not
• 1:14:35
  know and you know, you mentioned Slinger as part of your
• 1:14:38
  explanation. What I did a live there for
• 1:14:41
  national compacts. I went around and I said, you
• 1:14:43
  know, a lot of times, like when you watch it on TV, you know,
• 1:14:48
  it's banked, but it just doesn't do the TV, the pictures, all
• 1:14:52
  that. They just do not do it justice,
• 1:14:54
  right? And So what was it like for?
• 1:14:56
  I mean, even if you watched onboard cameras, the onboard
• 1:14:59
  cameras don't do it justice. So what is it like racing at?
• 1:15:03
  I mean, obviously South Bend, probably one of the higher bank
• 1:15:06
  tracks in the area other than maybe Kalamazoo M 40s there too.
• 1:15:10
  I mean M 40s bank. But I get winded walking up in
• 1:15:12
  at Kalamazoo at times. So I think Kalamazoo has just a
• 1:15:15
  look because it's progressive. So it gets progressively bank,
• 1:15:20
  you know, bank gear as you go Where I'm like, OK, I'm at the
• 1:15:22
  top and I'm exhausted now, but that's usually when I'm carrying
• 1:15:25
  all my camera bags and everything.
• 1:15:26
  If I'm just walking by myself, I'm fine.
• 1:15:28
  But you know, when I'm carrying all my stuff up, it gets
• 1:15:31
  exhausting there for a moment. But what was it like racing at
• 1:15:34
  Slinger? Because there's just really,
• 1:15:37
  unless you've gone down to bristle or something, there's
• 1:15:39
  just really nothing in this area that comes as close to Slinger.
• 1:15:43
  So what was that like? I don't really think there's
• 1:15:46
  anything. Close I mean I've seen videos of
• 1:15:48
  it now I've been there two years in a row and the way the car the
• 1:15:53
  way you have to drive the car into the corner and just trust
• 1:15:56
  that it's going to hold and stay there because there's so much
• 1:15:59
  banking that if you ease it into the corner like you would have
• 1:16:02
  turned one at new Paris or anything like that it you're not
• 1:16:06
  going to be where you need to be.
• 1:16:07
  You really have to trust that the car is going to hold the
• 1:16:10
  right sides are going to stick and you can just keep driving
• 1:16:12
  out of it you're sitting there you're flat and you really feel
• 1:16:16
  that 35° of banking or whatever it is I mean it just it throws
• 1:16:20
  you because it's such a violent transition from the front
• 1:16:23
  stretch the back stretch honestly might be scarier
• 1:16:27
  because you're going up a hill out of turn 2 and then down into
• 1:16:31
  turn 3. So you're really, you're really
• 1:16:34
  on edge and you want to drag the brake and just back the corner
• 1:16:37
  up as much as you can, but you really have to attack it again.
• 1:16:41
  Just watching. It.
• 1:16:43
  You know, it's and I walked it right.
• 1:16:45
  I hadn't walked it before and even doing the live, I stood on
• 1:16:49
  the bottom of the apron. I'm like and I'm like my phone
• 1:16:51
  is straight and I'm looking straight in the concrete, you
• 1:16:54
  know, like and I had to do this to look up like I tried to show
• 1:16:58
  it as best as possible. But again, you know, Slinger,
• 1:17:02
  you just have to go, yeah, you just have to go and experience
• 1:17:05
  it and see it and, you know, So what kind of notes, again, you
• 1:17:10
  know, someone like. You who's had to travel a lot?
• 1:17:14
  Who maybe doesn't have like a home track at one point, right?
• 1:17:18
  You don't have a home track all, you know, all the time where
• 1:17:20
  you're like, hey, I'm going to Bertron every single Friday
• 1:17:23
  night. I know what I need to do.
• 1:17:24
  I know what this needs to look like, so for your.
• 1:17:27
  Program, you know. How is it best that you keep
• 1:17:30
  your notes on all these tracks? How do you adjust your notes
• 1:17:33
  from, you know, year to year or time to time?
• 1:17:35
  Or are there times that you, you know, you went from a mini stock
• 1:17:38
  to now the Outlaw front wheel drive?
• 1:17:40
  Were there notes that you basically ripped up and said,
• 1:17:42
  well, these are now garbage? So like, how do you, as a
• 1:17:46
  traveling driver manage that? So notes.
• 1:17:50
  Wise. From the mini stock of the front
• 1:17:52
  wheel drive, they're completely different.
• 1:17:54
  Threw everything in the trash, they're gone.
• 1:17:55
  The cars drive completely different and they don't respond
• 1:18:00
  to the same changes necessarily. And the setups are 180 from each
• 1:18:05
  other going track to track. It's really good to have a good
• 1:18:09
  baseline and know kind of how much to adjust at a certain
• 1:18:14
  point in time. I mean like Slinger, you know,
• 1:18:17
  there's going to be a lot of corner loads and you know, it's
• 1:18:19
  a very high speed place with all the banking and everything.
• 1:18:22
  So you'll want to raise the car up because as soon as you start
• 1:18:25
  bottoming out the car, it turns into a bad day.
• 1:18:28
  So you kind of go up from your baseline there and you guess and
• 1:18:31
  throw something at it and go out for first practice and just see
• 1:18:34
  what it does most of the time. You know, a lot of the tracks
• 1:18:38
  gearing is honestly the biggest thing set up wise you're if you
• 1:18:42
  have a good baseline you can be pretty close everywhere between
• 1:18:45
  you know Bircher and Owasso. I don't really have to change
• 1:18:47
  much except for gear and that's just.
• 1:18:52
  Trial and error. And hopefully, you know,
• 1:18:54
  someone's been to one of these places before, like Canada, it's
• 1:18:58
  a third mile, which is kind of a weird size.
• 1:19:00
  So I'm going to guess and throw something at it and see what
• 1:19:03
  happens. Wow.
• 1:19:08
  Crossing borders on a prayer. Basically.
• 1:19:12
  That sense of like, man, it can you even fit a lawn?
• 1:19:14
  Mower on that, but you know, but yeah, I mean though that that
• 1:19:20
  I've not seen a third track before.
• 1:19:21
  I'm gonna have to look that up. Well, the closest.
• 1:19:25
  Thing. Is probably the small track at
• 1:19:28
  Birch Run because they have two tracks there.
• 1:19:30
  Same with part of city. So their third mile is it's as
• 1:19:35
  flat as Mottville was. You know, it's it's about
• 1:19:38
  parking lot flat. So it might drive a little bit
• 1:19:41
  different than Flambro. See kind of how much banking
• 1:19:45
  there is when we get there. So I'm kind of going judging off
• 1:19:49
  of that and what gear I would run there and hopefully it's
• 1:19:52
  enough or not too much. Well, that's for.
• 1:19:55
  Someone yesterday. Who won at Corgan?
• 1:19:57
  They Was it at Corgan or was it New Paris?
• 1:20:02
  I can't remember what one of the tracks this week in a driver was
• 1:20:05
  talk about how they just had a little too much.
• 1:20:08
  It was Mike. Garver and St. stock feature.
• 1:20:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, just a little too much.
• 1:20:12
  Yep, and I'm like, I know I heard somebody say it and you
• 1:20:17
  know, just a little too much and they even changed stuff and it
• 1:20:20
  was still too much. But so now with that, right, And
• 1:20:25
  then I'm going to toss over to Buju after this next one because
• 1:20:28
  again, I figure, you know, for those who may not get to travel
• 1:20:31
  around a lot, you know, what are the what are the big things that
• 1:20:35
  sometimes like you get to travel, you get to do these
• 1:20:37
  things, you get to have different challenges all the
• 1:20:39
  time. But are there times that it just
• 1:20:41
  wears down where you're like, man, I just kind of do I want to
• 1:20:45
  travel all the time next year? Like do you ever get to a point
• 1:20:47
  where you go, do I want to do it as much next year and then you
• 1:20:50
  do it anyways or right? Like how does that wear down or,
• 1:20:54
  or is it the experience of racing other places?
• 1:20:56
  Like what a lot of people look for when they say I want to
• 1:20:59
  travel more because what outweighs the other as you
• 1:21:02
  continue to travel around and log all these miles.
• 1:21:06
  So the way I. Look at it is with Drew's
• 1:21:09
  schedule, he does a good job putting it together and keeping
• 1:21:12
  it to where it's not, you know, like a big late model series
• 1:21:16
  where we're going somewhere different every single week.
• 1:21:18
  I think that would be a bigger drag.
• 1:21:20
  I think racing the 11:50 times, you know, obviously you're going
• 1:21:24
  to get a couple rain outs or what have you, but racing that
• 1:21:26
  10 to 12 times really makes it palatable.
• 1:21:29
  And like I tell guys, I say, you know, depending on the distance,
• 1:21:33
  you're going to go spend money in tires, you're going to spend
• 1:21:35
  money in fuel, you're going to spend the same money in pit
• 1:21:37
  passes. What's driving, You know, what's
• 1:21:40
  an extra 50 bucks in your tank? If the start money is gonna
• 1:21:43
  offset that cost, you know, why not go try somewhere new when
• 1:21:47
  you know, if you're gonna run wherever for 100 to start, but
• 1:21:50
  you can run the tour for 150, Well, you got your 50 bucks and
• 1:21:54
  gas money back. So what, what's the difference?
• 1:21:57
  You know, that's just, that's the way I look at it and that's
• 1:22:00
  the way I can pallet it. It also helps that a lot of the
• 1:22:02
  tracks are relatively close to me.
• 1:22:04
  I mean, I think Slinger would be the furthest so far and then
• 1:22:08
  Plymouth right behind it. Canada's just 240 miles, which
• 1:22:13
  not just, but you know, it's still not terrible.
• 1:22:16
  You know, it's not 500 to Slinger, right?
• 1:22:19
  So right, I know. Slinger for me was.
• 1:22:22
  I'm closer to I was telling because Sabrina Beebe went with
• 1:22:26
  me and, you know, we were talking in their moments and
• 1:22:29
  times that we were still in Wisconsin.
• 1:22:31
  I said this is like me driving from Springport.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah. Or this is like me driving from
• 1:22:35
  Battle Creek. Like as we're going, I'm like
• 1:22:37
  I'm closer to Chicago than I am Corgan Oil Speedway, right?
• 1:22:42
  I'm closer to Slinger than I am Auto City and Birch Run, you
• 1:22:47
  know, Speedway, like I can go to Wisconsin a lot faster and
• 1:22:50
  quicker than I can get across the state where I am.
• 1:22:53
  You're right. That's where, you know, it's a
• 1:22:55
  little a little different for everybody, right?
• 1:22:57
  It depends on where you are. But I know Bhuj has kind of been
• 1:22:59
  quiet. So I oh, I, you know, I did ask
• 1:23:03
  the dirt question, so I already did.
• 1:23:06
  You already opened. That can of worms.
• 1:23:08
  Yeah, yeah, you shot it. Just for the fun.
• 1:23:11
  Of it for me so I'm like now it's not as fun anymore I won't
• 1:23:14
  I'm going to have to wait a few weeks on it for it should be fun
• 1:23:16
  again but but anyways so Buju I know you have questions so and
• 1:23:20
  especially being a front wheel drive racer you know who has a
• 1:23:24
  chance to race in the class what kind of questions do you have so
• 1:23:28
  Dalton you. Were a mini stock racer and I
• 1:23:31
  never realized that you were hauling that far to South Bend.
• 1:23:33
  That's insane. Our shop is literally 7 minutes
• 1:23:35
  from South Bend and you were hauling 7 hours in a day.
• 1:23:39
  That's crazy. But so you're a mini stock
• 1:23:41
  racer. And now as the classes have kind
• 1:23:43
  of combined more if so in my area I guess than yours.
• 1:23:47
  But as the classes have combined down here, you went the front
• 1:23:50
  wheel drive route from the mini stock route.
• 1:23:52
  So now that the classes are combined, what are your thoughts
• 1:23:55
  on the the two racing together? Because I feel like we're
• 1:23:57
  running two different races out there as front wheel drives
• 1:23:59
  versus rear wheel drives. But I'm in a bit different of a
• 1:24:02
  front wheel drive situation than you are at the same time.
• 1:24:05
  So I'm curious your thoughts on. I have a completely different.
• 1:24:08
  Opinion than you. I wish they would have come back
• 1:24:10
  in a long time ago. I think the race that puts on it
• 1:24:14
  really opened my eyes back in 2019 when I went to Canada
• 1:24:17
  because there is a crazy mix over there.
• 1:24:20
  I mean, you have many stocks, you have Cavaliers, Hondas.
• 1:24:23
  I mean, it's everything. And the way we raced and we
• 1:24:26
  raced clean, I think in our area between here and Northwest
• 1:24:31
  Indiana and everything, I think it's more or less a stigma just
• 1:24:35
  because it took so much longer for the front wheel drives to
• 1:24:37
  catch up to where the Minis were.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah, and I'm not even necessarily.
• 1:24:40
  Talking about the the time split or anything, I just think with a
• 1:24:44
  front wheel drive versus a rear wheel drive, I feel like we're
• 1:24:46
  driving different. That's what I was saying, but I
• 1:24:48
  didn't mean to cut you off there.
• 1:24:49
  No, no, you're good. They do.
• 1:24:51
  Drive differently. But yeah, I think it's just it
• 1:24:55
  adds an extra element, you know, it makes it, it makes it a good
• 1:24:58
  race. I feel like.
• 1:24:59
  I mean, we all saw that Plymouth show.
• 1:25:01
  That was a fantastic race. It was absolutely, yeah.
• 1:25:04
  So I mean, I think they. Can run together pretty well.
• 1:25:07
  Obviously it's respect no matter where you go.
• 1:25:10
  Plays a big part into it and I think if everybody races
• 1:25:12
  respectfully, it can be a good clean race.
• 1:25:16
  Fair enough. So you've raced a lot of tracks
• 1:25:18
  so far. Mid South Bend is your favorite,
• 1:25:20
  which I appreciate quite a bit. But what?
• 1:25:22
  What are some still left on the list?
• 1:25:24
  What are some you still have circled that you haven't got to
• 1:25:25
  yet? I want to go to Winchester.
• 1:25:28
  And then Newport Speedway down in Tennessee, yeah, that just
• 1:25:32
  looks like a riot. I really want to go there.
• 1:25:35
  I I've hit almost every track in the northern or the lower
• 1:25:40
  peninsula of Michigan. After the race of Flat Rock,
• 1:25:43
  I'll have hit all of them that are still functional.
• 1:25:46
  So that's pretty impressed to me.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah. That's it's pretty cool to say.
• 1:25:52
  So really. I mean, there's.
• 1:25:54
  Not a whole lot of places that I would want to check off.
• 1:25:57
  I guess. Mahoning Valley looks pretty
• 1:26:00
  cool as well. That'd be a tough pull over
• 1:26:03
  there. I mean, yeah, 10 of
• 1:26:04
  Pennsylvania, so. It kind of.
• 1:26:06
  Things turn into more of a pipe dream just because of distance
• 1:26:09
  than anything. So just locally I've kind of hit
• 1:26:12
  what I wanted to hit. Did you ever did you ever run
• 1:26:15
  Rockford? While it was still open.
• 1:26:17
  No, I didn't. I didn't get the chance that.
• 1:26:18
  Seems like it would have been your kind of track.
• 1:26:20
  You missed out, Yeah, but I had another question, the brackets.
• 1:26:26
  Though maybe yeah for Grundy. Yeah, yeah, October 16th. 17th
• 1:26:30
  and 18th You're gonna have to slow down though Dalton, cuz
• 1:26:33
  I'm. Kicking that breakout's ass, so
• 1:26:34
  you're gonna have to put. A pedal stop or something?
• 1:26:37
  On that thing, well, that one might.
• 1:26:40
  Be tough. I'm gonna try for the Michigan
• 1:26:42
  Cup at Springport. I've got a new child on the way.
• 1:26:47
  My wife, she's doing a great job with my daughter.
• 1:26:50
  That's what makes traveling nice too, is not running weekly.
• 1:26:54
  You know, she's chasing her around the pits and she's seven
• 1:26:56
  months pregnant right now, so she's doing a great job.
• 1:27:00
  You know, it's it's nice having her around to have my daughter
• 1:27:04
  there and she can share the memories with everybody.
• 1:27:07
  But then she needs a Wrangler too.
• 1:27:09
  So, so Grundy might be a little tough just cuz it's a long trip
• 1:27:14
  and having a month old baby might be tough, but I definitely
• 1:27:18
  maybe next year it'll definitely be in the thoughts.
• 1:27:22
  Well, I'm excited. I got.
• 1:27:23
  I got. The same flyer that like a lot
• 1:27:25
  of like Bougie and others, Brian sent that to me and I went, oh,
• 1:27:28
  that's my birthday week. I, you know, I love Grundy.
• 1:27:32
  I grew up as a kid going there once we moved away from Chicago
• 1:27:35
  and everything that that was our track every Friday night.
• 1:27:37
  So I'm like, it's time to go back.
• 1:27:39
  You know, I don't know what my role would look like.
• 1:27:40
  I, you know, and that kind of deal, but just to go and be
• 1:27:44
  there. That's if have you ever been to
• 1:27:46
  Grundy at all? Never.
• 1:27:49
  It's. It's well worth the trip when
• 1:27:51
  you get a chance to go do it. It's it's a really fun race
• 1:27:54
  track, yeah. And they've and it's.
• 1:27:56
  Changed so much since the 90s when I was there.
• 1:27:58
  That's why I'm excited for us to see how much the area has
• 1:28:01
  changed because I mean, I just living where I live, you know,
• 1:28:04
  five years, how much change has happened.
• 1:28:06
  It's like an early 90s. To get down that way.
• 1:28:09
  But but other than that's right Boozer, that's where I was just
• 1:28:12
  thinking, no, you're good cheap plug.
• 1:28:14
  Mankind, you know. Our Mick Foley moment of the
• 1:28:17
  Monday Cheap plug kind. You know Bahama brackets, but go
• 1:28:19
  ahead so that. Race at Plymouth.
• 1:28:24
  It was a packed house and we don't always get packed houses
• 1:28:28
  at short tracks anymore. As someone who is travelling
• 1:28:31
  around and is experiencing these different tracks and seeing
• 1:28:33
  these different shows, and you mentioned Australian pursuits
• 1:28:35
  and trying different stuff earlier, from your perspective,
• 1:28:38
  what do we need to do to start getting fans back in the stands
• 1:28:41
  again? I mean, you're, you seem like an
• 1:28:43
  an affable guy. You can have a conversation that
• 1:28:46
  it's I lost my train of thought here and I just lost my
• 1:28:51
  headphones. Hold on.
• 1:28:53
  No, I'm struggling. But I mean, yeah, in your
• 1:28:58
  opinion, something has to change.
• 1:29:01
  And. What if if something were to
• 1:29:04
  change, and you were to be the one to make that change, what
• 1:29:06
  might that be? Or what might those be the easy
• 1:29:10
  answer? That a lot of people.
• 1:29:11
  Give I feel like is throw money. I really I really stumbled.
• 1:29:15
  To that one, my policies, No, sorry.
• 1:29:19
  A lot of people, I feel like, you know, hey, we need more
• 1:29:22
  cars. We need to pay more money and
• 1:29:23
  just get more cars. That's not necessarily the
• 1:29:26
  answer. You know, I feel like a lot of
• 1:29:30
  downtime is what kills, you know, when you have a family of
• 1:29:33
  four and you know, a couple guy, you know, a family, you know, 35
• 1:29:38
  years old with two kids that are under under 10, it's tough to
• 1:29:42
  keep them awake. And you got to have those people
• 1:29:45
  there to pay the bills. You know, those are the people,
• 1:29:49
  you know, Springport long time ago they were doing 21 and under
• 1:29:51
  were free cuz they know they're gonna eat their admission price.
• 1:29:55
  You know what I mean? They're gonna do that.
• 1:29:57
  So I think it's a lot of that and anymore like you were saying
• 1:30:01
  on bleachers and features this week, you know, you who's gonna
• 1:30:05
  charge you for that? Who's?
• 1:30:06
  Gonna charge me for that actually.
• 1:30:09
  Well, no, you were saying. That hey, they just throw up a
• 1:30:12
  post on Facebook and that's it yes you know, like and now here.
• 1:30:18
  At Birch Run you. Know the local car dealer he
• 1:30:20
  owns the track and I mean why aren't we having local car
• 1:30:24
  dealers sponsor a pace car no disrespect to Lewis or anything
• 1:30:27
  but have them come in you know have them you know hey get an
• 1:30:31
  oil change Well, you're getting a family 4 pack of tickets, you
• 1:30:34
  know and have kind of deals worked out to where when you're
• 1:30:38
  blasting stuff on Facebook, you're only getting the racing
• 1:30:41
  people that see your stuff all the time.
• 1:30:43
  You need to branch out and really show effort to the people
• 1:30:47
  that you're not getting on a weekly basis that they might
• 1:30:50
  come for your nods or whatever else.
• 1:30:53
  But like Flat Rock down here in by South of Detroit, they'd put
• 1:30:58
  their school bus figure eights with their Outlaw Super Late
• 1:31:01
  Models every week. No, not every week.
• 1:31:03
  But whenever they run their school bus figure eights, they
• 1:31:05
  have a racing show to go with it to show the people, you know,
• 1:31:09
  hey, this is what we're doing every week.
• 1:31:11
  You know, maybe you should stop back by and see what happens.
• 1:31:13
  And they say they normally pick up, you know, 15 to 20 guests,
• 1:31:18
  which over the course of a year, if you have five of those shows,
• 1:31:20
  that's an extra 100 people in the stands just from that.
• 1:31:23
  And they tell their friends and, you know, they bring their
• 1:31:26
  families or whatever it might be.
• 1:31:28
  You know, they're, they're getting a few more people in
• 1:31:31
  there and maybe it's been getting a couple more cards and
• 1:31:33
  a little bit more of a purse. It's like I think about the
• 1:31:36
  monster. Trucks that we had at the
• 1:31:37
  Plymouth show or I remember back in the day, they would have
• 1:31:40
  trailer races after the regular races on a regular night at
• 1:31:43
  South Bend or Plymouth. Just get those extra few people
• 1:31:45
  that might not show up for a regular race or they like a
• 1:31:48
  night of destruction stuff and maybe you get them hooked.
• 1:31:50
  And like, to your point again about eating tickets, I, I look
• 1:31:55
  at I stand on a racetrack and look at all the empty seats in
• 1:31:57
  the stand. It's like, wouldn't this have
• 1:31:58
  been better to give these tickets away to a Little League
• 1:32:00
  or a church group or, or just somebody stands, right.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah. I mean, if you could bring a
• 1:32:05
  Little League. Team in how many deep fried
• 1:32:07
  uncrustables are gonna are they gonna eat exactly?
• 1:32:09
  Yeah. They're gonna.
• 1:32:10
  I'll eat minimum. Of three and you can't tell me
• 1:32:14
  that you're gonna lose money on that.
• 1:32:16
  So at the end of the day, it's it's things like that that can
• 1:32:19
  really help the sport. And there's a lot of things that
• 1:32:23
  we're missing that we used to have.
• 1:32:24
  You know, I remember the kids clubs and lucky number programs
• 1:32:28
  and just giving away, you know, little things like racetrack
• 1:32:31
  T-shirt that might say new Paris or Kalamazoo or whatever on it.
• 1:32:35
  But bought that $5 program, you get something out of it and it
• 1:32:39
  would have all the track records in the history of the track and
• 1:32:42
  things like that to where if there was downtime, they're
• 1:32:45
  reading that and not glued to their phone.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah, yeah. When I was a.
• 1:32:49
  Kid, they would hand the point sheet, the point standings out
• 1:32:52
  every week at the gate at South Bend and I have that sheet in
• 1:32:54
  front of me and I was announcing the races as the cars went by,
• 1:32:57
  looking at the name and number on the sheet.
• 1:32:59
  That stuff makes a difference. I mean, that's part of what
• 1:33:01
  hooked me, you know what I mean? I feel like that little stuff
• 1:33:04
  matters. It really does like at.
• 1:33:07
  Birch Run, which is Dixie to me, it'll always be Dixie.
• 1:33:10
  We had a mascot with the kids club and he would walk around
• 1:33:14
  during intermission or in between heat races or features
• 1:33:17
  or what have you, and he had the the fruity Tootsie Rolls and
• 1:33:21
  he'd just throw them off the stands.
• 1:33:23
  And it was. Sparky the Clown at South Bend
• 1:33:25
  and IT. Was dumb dumb suckers.
• 1:33:27
  We'd get dipstick. And he was just walking.
• 1:33:29
  Around and he'd go through the stands and just start throwing
• 1:33:31
  candy and it was just it was one of those things that all the
• 1:33:34
  kids, they'd run up to him to try and get the candy before he
• 1:33:37
  threw it all out of his back. Yeah, You know, it's little
• 1:33:40
  things like. That you know they.
• 1:33:42
  Do I mean having a playground is?
• 1:33:43
  Nice. But it doesn't always do it.
• 1:33:46
  You got to, yeah, you got to the parents.
• 1:33:48
  The parents bring the kids. The kids are the future of the
• 1:33:50
  sport and you have to have them in a great sense, absolutely.
• 1:33:54
  My last. Question and I'll go ahead and
• 1:33:56
  throw it back to Lewis Victory by Design chassis.
• 1:33:58
  You see it on your car back there.
• 1:33:59
  I know you're a long time friend of EBD and with my family
• 1:34:03
  connection, I know quite a bit about it.
• 1:34:04
  But as I mentioned earlier, you made that switch from the Mini
• 1:34:07
  stock to the front wheel drive. Jeremy more so known for the
• 1:34:10
  front or for the mini stock side of things than he is for the
• 1:34:12
  front wheel drive. So was there any trepidation
• 1:34:14
  having to do the front wheel drive or was it not Jeremy's the
• 1:34:18
  best? Jeremy's doing I needed, I
• 1:34:21
  wanted. A good safe.
• 1:34:21
  Car to start with and that was that was my number one thing you
• 1:34:25
  know we can make it fast later and we have but safety was the
• 1:34:30
  number one thing this car he actually didn't build for me.
• 1:34:34
  This was actually the first front wheel drive he ever built,
• 1:34:36
  so he built this one for Ryan Schrock as a Hornet back in 2019
• 1:34:42
  and all, right. It passed hands it went.
• 1:34:45
  Through like 3 different people. James Thompson, he ran a mini
• 1:34:49
  stock at Angola. He had it sitting in his garage
• 1:34:51
  with a bunch of parts. And he said, hey here, you're
• 1:34:54
  looking for a front wheel drive. And I'm like, well, yeah, he's
• 1:34:56
  like, well, I got, I got the VBDM #1 and I'm like, well, OK,
• 1:35:01
  what do you want for it? I know it's got a good safe cage
• 1:35:03
  in it. I know what it is.
• 1:35:04
  What do you want? And he's like, well, give me
• 1:35:06
  this and all the parts that come with it.
• 1:35:08
  So I picked it up, got a hold of Jeremy.
• 1:35:10
  I said, hey, what can we do to turn this Hornet into an Outlaw
• 1:35:13
  front wheel drive to do some travel?
• 1:35:14
  And he's like, well, it's going to take a lot of time, but we
• 1:35:17
  can do whatever we need to. So dropped it off a couple
• 1:35:21
  months later and started cutting and got it out for the last
• 1:35:24
  season. So a lot of work, a lot of time
• 1:35:26
  that went into it, a lot of trial and error, but I think
• 1:35:30
  it's a pretty good spot now. Yeah, I just think Jeremy.
• 1:35:33
  'S the best compact car builder in the and maybe in the country.
• 1:35:36
  So I wanna give him a shout out before I throw it back to Lewis.
• 1:35:39
  I would second that. 100% he's the best well net and while
• 1:35:43
  we're. On victory by.
• 1:35:44
  Design do you wanna mention before we transition?
• 1:35:48
  Cuz I kinda wanna, I wanna go back to the conversation about
• 1:35:51
  just different things tracks can do.
• 1:35:52
  Cuz I feel like there's a lot of meat there still to kinda go
• 1:35:56
  back and just converse. But, but while we were on
• 1:36:01
  victory by design, do you want to shout out your sponsors while
• 1:36:03
  we're at this time? Like who helps you?
• 1:36:04
  Or, or if people are looking for ways to sponsor a car, you know,
• 1:36:09
  cuz it's always a chance to like, you never know, someone
• 1:36:11
  might be listening. Go.
• 1:36:12
  I'd like to help you out. I've watched you race or I've
• 1:36:14
  watched you race for this long. So who are those that not only
• 1:36:17
  help you get to the track, but who helped, you know, on the car
• 1:36:20
  themselves? Cuz I know I, we see a couple of
• 1:36:22
  your logos. So First off, I got to thank my
• 1:36:25
  wife. You know, for everything that
• 1:36:27
  she does, all the hours out in the shop, everything that goes
• 1:36:30
  along with it, she is definitely my #1 supporter and my harshest
• 1:36:34
  critic. She she teaches me how to drive
• 1:36:37
  from. The grandstands that if I don't.
• 1:36:38
  Know what I'm doing she'll take over the seed anytime my
• 1:36:42
  daughter for she did her first oil change yesterday.
• 1:36:45
  She helped me, she learned at three years old, so and then I
• 1:36:49
  got to thank my uncle for the transportation on grade for all
• 1:36:54
  your 3D modeling and take offs for earth work, Victory by
• 1:36:58
  Design chassis, obviously Jaws Auto imports.
• 1:37:01
  We actually picked them up this week to go to Canada.
• 1:37:05
  They import cars back and forth. They're a third party.
• 1:37:09
  So I said, hey, we got some Canada.
• 1:37:12
  We got a Canada race this year. Be great sponsorship for you
• 1:37:15
  guys. And then Vector Point Solutions
• 1:37:18
  also for all your on site civil GPS work.
• 1:37:24
  Yeah. Well, again, that can't that.
• 1:37:25
  Canada race. I mean, do you want to, why
• 1:37:28
  don't we before we go back? Because I still, I like the meat
• 1:37:30
  on the bone that we had with that conversation a few moments
• 1:37:33
  ago. But do you want to talk a little
• 1:37:35
  bit about what it's taking to get to, I mean, for you, Canada,
• 1:37:39
  like I said, is your neighbor. I mean, it's just like rock
• 1:37:41
  skipping a jumping around the corner for you where on my side,
• 1:37:44
  it'd be like a long drive to get to Canada.
• 1:37:47
  But since we are on the national compact page, you know what?
• 1:37:51
  You know, how are you preparing to cross the border with a race
• 1:37:55
  car, race car parts, race car, trailer, race car tires, race
• 1:37:58
  car, all this stuff. So since I've done it.
• 1:38:01
  Before it's a little less daunting than it is to other
• 1:38:05
  people. Like I talked to Chris Elwell
• 1:38:07
  today because he he wanted to know what he needed to get
• 1:38:11
  across. So being in Michigan, it's nice
• 1:38:13
  having the enhanced license, not having to have a passport.
• 1:38:16
  I've gone back and forth Canada a couple 100 times.
• 1:38:19
  I. Didn't know you guys were.
• 1:38:20
  Privileged like that so you can apply.
• 1:38:23
  For an enhanced license. And use that to get into Canada
• 1:38:26
  and Mexico without a path. Yeah.
• 1:38:29
  So if you have an enhanced license, you just hand them your
• 1:38:32
  license, they check it, make sure your registration and
• 1:38:35
  insurance are good on your vehicle and everything and then
• 1:38:38
  you're going. So since our race.
• 1:38:41
  Cars, they're closed. Course cars, we're not required
• 1:38:44
  to have a title or anything like that.
• 1:38:47
  And then you have to have a, a rough manifest say, hey, I got 4
• 1:38:52
  spare tires on wheels, I've got 5 gallons of race gas, you know,
• 1:38:55
  a generator and my toolbox. You know, if they have any
• 1:38:59
  issues, they'll pull you aside, they'll open the trailer door
• 1:39:02
  or, you know, open the bed of the tailgate or whatever it
• 1:39:05
  might be and take a look just to see what's going on.
• 1:39:08
  But nine times out of 10, you really don't have any trouble
• 1:39:11
  so. So that's where you put a
• 1:39:14
  Canadian. Flag on the back of the car with
• 1:39:17
  like a 20 next to it or $100 bill with like a winky emoji and
• 1:39:21
  be like all clear, right? You know I don't.
• 1:39:26
  I mean it. Might be the 51st state someday,
• 1:39:28
  so you never know, right? But but that's something that
• 1:39:32
  again, for people who think about traveling, because you've
• 1:39:35
  heard so many border crossers with racing share like horror
• 1:39:40
  stories and different things that some late model drivers,
• 1:39:44
  others. And then you get the stories
• 1:39:46
  like what you're sharing and they're and they're also
• 1:39:48
  Canadian drivers who have like we cross all the time because
• 1:39:51
  that's the only we can only race in America, you know, and they
• 1:39:54
  come to Michigan all the time because maybe tracks around them
• 1:39:57
  are numerous hours away, right. So, so that's why I thought,
• 1:40:01
  well, why don't we even talk a little bit about that since you
• 1:40:04
  also brought up Canada. It's like, what is it taking to
• 1:40:06
  prepare? So for anyone who's watching who
• 1:40:08
  might be thinking about racing with the national compacts over
• 1:40:11
  in Canada and or maybe stressing about, it can feel like.
• 1:40:15
  OK, maybe it's not as bad as I'm thinking it might be just
• 1:40:18
  because, again, you know, if it's on Facebook, it must be
• 1:40:21
  true. And that's sometimes what you
• 1:40:23
  see on Facebook are all the, you know, they'll trend like I'm
• 1:40:27
  friends with you, I don't follow your page, Why am I seeing it?
• 1:40:30
  But it's an algorithm, right? So Facebook is going to push it
• 1:40:32
  because it's an algorithm. People are commenting on it,
• 1:40:34
  saying whatever they're saying. And sometimes it's people who
• 1:40:37
  don't even know the situation certainly have a lot to say.
• 1:40:40
  But that's why I thought, why don't you kind of share that and
• 1:40:45
  and have you ever been to that track in Canada?
• 1:40:47
  Just to clarify, you've not raced at that track yet.
• 1:40:50
  Yeah, because you go ahead. I wanted to go the year that I
• 1:40:54
  went to. Sauble and I just I honestly
• 1:40:57
  just couldn't get the time off work and that was the only
• 1:40:59
  reason I wasn't able to go or I would have ran there before with
• 1:41:02
  the mini back in the day. Yeah, because I know you had
• 1:41:05
  mentioned. That you'll see like how much
• 1:41:06
  banking and all that is there, but I didn't even know if even
• 1:41:08
  as a fan you might have been there or seen it or whatever.
• 1:41:11
  But no, so it's all going to be first time experience, which I
• 1:41:14
  maybe sometimes that's not a bad thing, right, because you can
• 1:41:16
  just try. You can kind of it's like a
• 1:41:18
  blank canvas, but you know, kind of come back to America then you
• 1:41:23
  know, just because like, I mean, you were coming up with a lot of
• 1:41:26
  great ideas, you and booze you when you're talking about like
• 1:41:28
  fans in the stands and the different things.
• 1:41:30
  So, you know, when you talk about the different tracks that
• 1:41:34
  you've gone to in a character, do you feel like fans at the
• 1:41:39
  track for maybe casual or maybe come every now and then?
• 1:41:43
  Do you have you gone to a track yet that you feel like they are?
• 1:41:46
  The track is helping tell their story really well.
• 1:41:49
  So that fans who are casual coming for the first time or
• 1:41:53
  maybe second time, like, hey, I know why this track is important
• 1:41:56
  or hey, I know this track's history.
• 1:41:58
  Like Slinger, you walk on the concourse and Slinger, you have
• 1:42:01
  billboards everywhere with championship drivers from every
• 1:42:05
  class. I was showing Sabrina, I said
• 1:42:07
  this is every class, every champion, every year.
• 1:42:11
  So I feel like Slinger, you know, does that.
• 1:42:14
  And Corrigan Oil has a little bit of that at the front
• 1:42:17
  entrance for they have old pictures and they have, of
• 1:42:19
  course, the Michigan Hall of Fame there and that sort of
• 1:42:22
  deal. But you know, when you go to
• 1:42:24
  these other tracks, do you feel like there's any track that
• 1:42:26
  stands out to you where you're like, I I know the legacy of
• 1:42:30
  this track or I understand the legacy of this track where they
• 1:42:33
  still have a program that tells their legacy of the track?
• 1:42:36
  I don't know necessarily. Like like Corrigan or Spartan to
• 1:42:40
  me, they don't have anything like a Hall of Fame.
• 1:42:43
  But Berlin I think does a good job.
• 1:42:46
  You know, they have the banners of last year, who won the Battle
• 1:42:49
  of Berlin, who won the money in the bank, who won the Arkham
• 1:42:51
  Menards race. And they have that plastered on
• 1:42:54
  the grandstands on the backside. So as soon as you pull in, you
• 1:42:56
  know who won that race and it stayed up all year until the
• 1:42:59
  next winter. And I think, you know, that's,
• 1:43:02
  that's pretty cool to win a big race like that.
• 1:43:04
  It shouldn't go forgotten. Yep, well, and.
• 1:43:07
  I well, sometimes, you know, and I think Buju's had this with his
• 1:43:10
  Buju bull rings, right? It's trying to find some of
• 1:43:13
  these records and find some of these things for some of these
• 1:43:16
  tracks are even still kind of operating in a way, you know,
• 1:43:19
  and there's still fine history and and that kind of deal.
• 1:43:21
  I mean, look at this bill when when they deleted the Facebook
• 1:43:24
  page, literally everything pretty much with Mountainville
• 1:43:27
  that was at least on that page gone lost in time.
• 1:43:32
  And this was before. Probably Lewis's time, but I
• 1:43:35
  think Buju might remember it. MSTRC Michigan Short Track
• 1:43:39
  Racing Club. There was a it was an online for
• 1:43:42
  you. Do you remember that?
• 1:43:43
  I do a little bit so. I heard of forums.
• 1:43:46
  Yeah, it was a. Lot of forums but.
• 1:43:48
  Merle used to post on there every single week like how we
• 1:43:51
  would on Facebook, and he was posting on there until it ended.
• 1:43:56
  So I it's sad that the domain's gone now, but that was, it was
• 1:44:01
  really cool to get on there Sunday morning or Monday morning
• 1:44:04
  and see what was going on everywhere.
• 1:44:06
  Because we didn't have, yeah, we didn't have a race monitor.
• 1:44:09
  We didn't have a race tag. Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  So that was this. Stock.
• 1:44:13
  Car. Extreme as well was the big one
• 1:44:14
  down here with Ron Barash and Carl Smith running it that I
• 1:44:17
  spent a lot of time on. Old Stock Car Extreme I used
• 1:44:19
  that was that's where I made my media debut, actually.
• 1:44:22
  Lewis was writing a race recaps on Old Stock Car Extreme back in
• 1:44:25
  the day. There you go.
• 1:44:27
  Well, I think that's the thing. That's why I.
• 1:44:29
  Said I kind of wanted to go back to this because as you guys were
• 1:44:31
  talking, I mean, a lot of people in the past have talked about
• 1:44:34
  like lucky numbers. And, and I've given the idea to
• 1:44:37
  tracks to, you know, go down to the Little League because I
• 1:44:41
  forgot who said this, but I know someone has said it, that the
• 1:44:44
  most expensive seat is the empty seat.
• 1:44:48
  And, and I proposed to track. I said nobody knows who's got
• 1:44:52
  in, who gets in for free or not, except, you know, when you
• 1:44:55
  announce your free ticket winners online, then you know,
• 1:44:58
  then those people know, hey, those two people, but you
• 1:45:01
  couldn't pick them out in the grandstand.
• 1:45:03
  So, you know, 500 people from a Little League sitting there or
• 1:45:07
  churches, you know, you bring out a church, you have a little
• 1:45:09
  thing. Nobody knows that they didn't
• 1:45:11
  pay for the tickets or they paid a really good discount on the
• 1:45:14
  tickets. Like nobody's gonna know that
• 1:45:15
  nobody's walking around with the stamp on their forehead.
• 1:45:18
  But when I talk with tracks about that, they still see it as
• 1:45:22
  losing money. Well, it's empty already.
• 1:45:25
  There's no butt in that seat to begin with.
• 1:45:27
  So you've got nothing. You're not selling a hot dog,
• 1:45:30
  you're not selling a hamburger. So, yeah, they might have got a
• 1:45:32
  free ticket, but they're going to go to the concession stand
• 1:45:36
  because I mean, South Bend did this when they would have like
• 1:45:38
  dollar nights, although that's when it got wild and crazy and
• 1:45:40
  girls gone wild and all these other things going on is on
• 1:45:42
  those dollar nights is because they sell, they sold alcohol.
• 1:45:46
  Now, this is not the track's fault, right?
• 1:45:47
  The track is not there to manage how much alcohol anyone
• 1:45:51
  consumes. They they can't do that.
• 1:45:53
  So this is that. No, there's not anything South
• 1:45:56
  Bend could control. It's the people who didn't
• 1:45:58
  control themselves, but they got, they paid a dollar and so
• 1:46:01
  they brought another 20 or 40 or whatever that they would have
• 1:46:04
  spent, then went to the beer barn instead of spending at the
• 1:46:08
  ticket booth, you know, And so I know sometimes, right, the
• 1:46:10
  crowds may look different on those nights.
• 1:46:12
  But again, you're, it's something, you know, if you're
• 1:46:16
  feeling in a little bit more, who knows?
• 1:46:17
  Nobody knows if you give away. If you give away. 2500 free
• 1:46:21
  tickets over the season. If you hook ten of those people
• 1:46:24
  I that's well worth it to me. I mean, if you're giving away.
• 1:46:27
  Just say 1000 for even numbers and per week and 500 of those
• 1:46:32
  people show up. I guarantee each one of those
• 1:46:35
  people are going to spend $5 at your concession stand.
• 1:46:37
  That's 2500. Dollars right there.
• 1:46:39
  Gross, which you factor in the cost of food and everything, cut
• 1:46:42
  it in half. That's 12:50 that you didn't
• 1:46:43
  have before and they got in free.
• 1:46:46
  They had fun and they're probably going to come back next
• 1:46:49
  week and they'll gladly pay the $15 admission fee, you know, so
• 1:46:53
  you made money off of them twice.
• 1:46:55
  To me, it's the just the chance that they might.
• 1:46:57
  Come back is worth it if it's somebody that's not going to
• 1:46:59
  come in the 1st place. Just the shot that they may get
• 1:47:01
  hooked and come back is worth it just to get them there to me.
• 1:47:04
  But like, I started racing, promarkers don't.
• 1:47:06
  Think the same way for some reason.
• 1:47:08
  Like when I started racing, I was 11.
• 1:47:09
  And my parents said, if you want sponsorships, you got to ask
• 1:47:13
  the, you know, the what's the worst, they're going to say no.
• 1:47:15
  And so I've used that throughout my life.
• 1:47:18
  It same thing with the track promoters.
• 1:47:19
  I mean, if you give them away, it doesn't mean they're all
• 1:47:21
  going to come, you know, it's not.
• 1:47:24
  My money. It's not my money.
• 1:47:25
  It's easy for me to say I'm on a track.
• 1:47:27
  No, I I get that. Yeah.
• 1:47:28
  But. Let's just but like Lewis.
• 1:47:30
  Said the the most. Expensive seat is the empty one
• 1:47:33
  if if you're not making money, you're losing money.
• 1:47:35
  So why not try something? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:47:38
  Exactly. Because I mean, that's the thing
• 1:47:40
  that we. Talked about like Corgan
• 1:47:41
  yesterday again. This is where I feel bad for Jim
• 1:47:44
  Leisure. Who has to deal with he.
• 1:47:47
  I mean, at the end of the day, it's his savings account online,
• 1:47:50
  right? But then he hears it from
• 1:47:51
  people. Well, there's no fans.
• 1:47:52
  Well, you're telling me there's no fans.
• 1:47:55
  But you weren't here, you know, as.
• 1:47:57
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:47:59
  Like you know not to come. It's on a Sunday because.
• 1:48:01
  You'll hear, you'll see when tracks cancel, they'll say,
• 1:48:04
  well, race on Sunday, race on Sunday, race on Sunday, race on
• 1:48:06
  Sunday, race on Sunday, track races on Sunday.
• 1:48:09
  Well, we don't mean that. Sunday froze up.
• 1:48:12
  Everybody gone. There we go, we're back.
• 1:48:15
  You're back, OK. We're back.
• 1:48:17
  Yeah, So what? I was saying is like, you know.
• 1:48:19
  Fans will say we'll race on Sundays and then track races on
• 1:48:22
  Sunday. Well, not this Sunday.
• 1:48:23
  We didn't mean that Sunday. We wanted this Sunday instead.
• 1:48:26
  Like, you know, it's kind of changing the goal posts all the
• 1:48:28
  time where you know, or people say, I'd come to that, I'd come
• 1:48:31
  to that and you do it. So I get it.
• 1:48:33
  We're owners and promoters like, well, we've tried that.
• 1:48:37
  And I'm always like, OK, I, I accept that you've tried it, but
• 1:48:42
  did you try it just once? Did you actually, you know, like
• 1:48:45
  commit to it and get trend? You know, I'm a big data guy.
• 1:48:48
  Did you get data from that where, you know, you're like,
• 1:48:51
  hey, we did this 10 nights and we sucked 10 nights in a row.
• 1:48:55
  OK, don't do that again then, because at least you had 10
• 1:48:58
  nights of trying it. But if you tried it once, like,
• 1:49:00
  well, we'll never do that again, All right?
• 1:49:02
  So you probably already had the white flag waved.
• 1:49:04
  You were just waiting for the reason to prove yourself right
• 1:49:07
  and say that's why we didn't do this, because you got your one
• 1:49:10
  time and you were right that one time.
• 1:49:11
  But what do they say in Little Giants?
• 1:49:13
  You might win that one time, but you know, 99 times you might get
• 1:49:17
  your, you know, or you might win 99 and lose once, right?
• 1:49:19
  Or whatever, whichever you want to go.
• 1:49:21
  But it's like you got to sometimes you just have to throw
• 1:49:24
  things at the wall and really see and not just base it on one
• 1:49:27
  time where you already had prejudice going into it, right?
• 1:49:31
  You had your white flag ready. You're just waiting to say, see,
• 1:49:33
  I told you so that's and I did tell a promoter that one time to
• 1:49:37
  their face and they said, well, you're just absolutely wrong.
• 1:49:39
  I'm like, I appreciate that. But here's the four of the times
• 1:49:43
  that I was right. So it's OK if I was wrong One
• 1:49:46
  time, I got it right. Four other times you got it
• 1:49:49
  wrong or I got it wrong once. That's a pretty good batting
• 1:49:52
  average. So I told you so there.
• 1:49:55
  I got my moment, you know, It's like I'm just trying to help,
• 1:49:59
  like I travel around. That is mean everything will
• 1:50:02
  work. For everybody, but that's
• 1:50:04
  sometimes that and, and this again is not a specific track.
• 1:50:06
  I mean, you know, on my page I see tracks from all over.
• 1:50:10
  I follow tracks in New Mexico because of drivers I met at
• 1:50:13
  Bristol. I follow tracks in Iowa because
• 1:50:15
  of the Fett family. I, you know, my race pass is
• 1:50:18
  throwing tracks all the time. Racing America is throwing
• 1:50:20
  tracks all the time. So that's not even a local
• 1:50:22
  thing, right? I have tracks from all over that
• 1:50:24
  I follow that, you know, you see where it works or doesn't work
• 1:50:27
  or you see fans talking about them and you're like, you know,
• 1:50:31
  like sometimes you just got to. Try things because if.
• 1:50:34
  You're on like there's a track that does this almost
• 1:50:36
  religiously every Sunday. They're on complaining about the
• 1:50:39
  fans not being there to track over in Minnesota all the time.
• 1:50:42
  They're complaining but then in the comments section they're MF
• 1:50:45
  ING everybody. Well, that might be the far that
• 1:50:50
  might. Be the starting point, you know,
• 1:50:51
  Is that like I don't know why so follow the page other than it is
• 1:50:56
  entertaining at times where I'm like.
• 1:50:59
  This. Might be why nobody is going
• 1:51:01
  there is because you're literally MF ING everybody.
• 1:51:03
  You're on a Facebook live MF ING everybody.
• 1:51:06
  That might be why, but what do I know, you know like and what do
• 1:51:09
  all the people in the comments section say and how you treat
• 1:51:11
  people matters. What do they know you know, and
• 1:51:14
  that's why they're not racing there.
• 1:51:15
  But that's why I thought that was, you know, to come back and
• 1:51:18
  even see like history, because that's the one thing that, you
• 1:51:22
  know, when I go to Slinger, I'm like, man, this would just be so
• 1:51:24
  fun at like even at Kalamazoo, having every champion from all
• 1:51:28
  the past, even if it's just for the clash and for ravers rumble
• 1:51:33
  or whatever. But it's like, you know, you
• 1:51:35
  call of the Wild, which a lot of people remember, but there's so
• 1:51:37
  many people who probably don't even know what call of the Wild
• 1:51:40
  was, right? Or now you have super shoe and
• 1:51:43
  it's like, oh man, it's sometimes finding the Super shoe
• 1:51:46
  history is a little tough. And you know, so I thought like,
• 1:51:50
  that's why I asked that because I know that cost money to do and
• 1:51:53
  to update season after season. I get that.
• 1:51:57
  But that's so much of your history where fans coming.
• 1:52:00
  Why should they care, right? I think.
• 1:52:03
  One thing that would be. Cool on the history aspect is in
• 1:52:07
  whatever track breezeway or anything is to take like a
• 1:52:11
  banner almost you like you would for a football team or whatever.
• 1:52:14
  And each track champion for each class gets a banner and it's
• 1:52:18
  hung up the next year and it's always there.
• 1:52:21
  And then at the end of the year at the banquet, they get that
• 1:52:23
  one back and then the next year's champion goes up.
• 1:52:25
  You know, it's just one of those cool things to make a champion
• 1:52:29
  mean more because, yeah, OK, you might get the trophy and
• 1:52:31
  everything, but you're not showing it off when it's sitting
• 1:52:34
  in your garage. You know, It's something that
• 1:52:37
  you can look back and remember. And I guarantee there's gonna be
• 1:52:39
  pictures of it somewhere to make it easier to go back and see it,
• 1:52:43
  you know? Oh, I think you're freezing.
• 1:52:45
  Up again. Oh no, you're.
• 1:52:46
  Back Oh, so when you pull off the exit at Slinger, what did
• 1:52:50
  you notice as you oh, is everyone freezing?
• 1:52:53
  Or is it? Just oh, I'm here.
• 1:52:54
  I'm here. I'm here all went.
• 1:52:56
  Freezing. I'm like maybe.
• 1:52:58
  I did move my. Laptop, and I mean I'm.
• 1:53:00
  Close enough to the router that we've been good all this time.
• 1:53:02
  But Dalton, I know the Buchas have been there, but when you
• 1:53:05
  pulled off the axe to go to Slinger, what did you notice as
• 1:53:09
  you pulled through? That small little.
• 1:53:10
  Bit of town that we pulled through.
• 1:53:12
  Did you notice anything that stood out the ski hill well?
• 1:53:17
  Other than the ski hill. The light posts, they all had
• 1:53:21
  Slinger Speedway banners on them so I didn't.
• 1:53:25
  Go through the town. I came from the east side, so I
• 1:53:28
  didn't see any of it. No.
• 1:53:30
  Yeah, see. There's a There's a lot of stuff
• 1:53:31
  like. That too, like even when you're
• 1:53:33
  turning to Kalamazoo, just the sign it says Speedway left.
• 1:53:36
  Like we don't have one of those in South Bend.
• 1:53:38
  I don't know if there's one in Plymouth.
• 1:53:40
  I don't think there is a new Paris.
• 1:53:42
  So I was. I was up.
• 1:53:44
  North in Michigan today for work, and I actually drove right
• 1:53:47
  by Whittemore. And you go through Whittemore,
• 1:53:50
  it's a tiny little town and the racetrack is front and center.
• 1:53:53
  You can see it from the road. You can basically see into the
• 1:53:56
  track and every one of their light posts like that, they have
• 1:54:01
  a banner on it with the cross checkered flags.
• 1:54:03
  Welcome to Whitlam. And it's just one of those
• 1:54:05
  things that they're known for the racetrack and they're proud
• 1:54:08
  of it. Yeah, it that I think that goes
• 1:54:11
  a long way. It does South.
• 1:54:13
  Bend not so proud of our racetrack for sure.
• 1:54:16
  Well, that, but that's where I. You know when, right when I
• 1:54:20
  pulled off that, except that's the first thing I noticed is
• 1:54:22
  that part of the town Crest or town seal had a race, had
• 1:54:26
  checkered flag in it with Slinger and a race car.
• 1:54:29
  And then you just ride along in that little bit that you go all
• 1:54:33
  the almost like when you when I go through town here, like in a
• 1:54:36
  couple weeks we're going to have our football banners and our
• 1:54:38
  band fingers like all the seniors and the, and the main
• 1:54:42
  town. My my school is 2 towns
• 1:54:44
  combined, but but The Maine downtown is the only one that
• 1:54:48
  really gets to love. And that's point of contention.
• 1:54:51
  But but all the seniors have banners from band to cross
• 1:54:56
  country to football. It's like it's not it started as
• 1:54:59
  just football and then it's expanded to all the areas.
• 1:55:02
  But but that's where I'm like that that going through Slinger.
• 1:55:05
  That's what made me think of it. Or we've talked on here about
• 1:55:08
  Plymouth dirt track in Wisconsin at Sheboygan Fairgrounds.
• 1:55:12
  I just tell him boujou about it and I tell people anybody when
• 1:55:15
  Drew was over there, I I said to him, Denise and Bubba like go to
• 1:55:20
  the Plymouth dirt track, although they race on Saturdays,
• 1:55:22
  but they were there. I'm like there's there's
• 1:55:26
  balconies on the back of these homes.
• 1:55:27
  The track was put there in 2005 S old, newer facility, right.
• 1:55:32
  And on the back of all these and you see the beer going down and
• 1:55:35
  you see the brats cooking on the grill and like they're all
• 1:55:38
  sitting on the balconies, almost like Wrigley Field in Chicago,
• 1:55:41
  right facing the racetrack, watching the racing action from
• 1:55:44
  their balconies. It's like you have those areas
• 1:55:46
  where they've embraced the racetrack.
• 1:55:48
  They love their racetrack. They promote the racetrack, the
• 1:55:51
  town's showcase and they work as partnerships.
• 1:55:54
  And then you have an other areas where townships are constantly
• 1:55:56
  fighting their racetrack, especially in Southwest
• 1:55:59
  Michigan. There's two townships that are
• 1:56:01
  constantly fighting the race tracks all the time.
• 1:56:03
  And, you know, it's like, and these are economic powerhouses.
• 1:56:07
  They may not look like it, but they're economic powerhouses.
• 1:56:10
  They bring people in. I mean, I go to New Paris every
• 1:56:14
  Saturday, and that means I become a consumer in Indiana.
• 1:56:18
  Yeah. And what other reason would you
• 1:56:20
  go? To New Paris IN outside of the
• 1:56:22
  Speedway? No, really.
• 1:56:24
  Honestly, no shade to New Paris, but that's the.
• 1:56:28
  Reason to go there, yeah, you know.
• 1:56:31
  A lot to. Brag about.
• 1:56:32
  So I've gone through it every time and I'm like this, I'm
• 1:56:34
  sure, Yeah, I'm sure. It's a lovely place to live.
• 1:56:36
  I'm sure there's great people there, but one other reason
• 1:56:38
  Would I have to go there? You know, so you're literally
• 1:56:42
  spending money. In that town, you're spending
• 1:56:44
  money at that track and that track is a taxpayer and that
• 1:56:46
  track owners are taxpayers, right?
• 1:56:48
  Like you have all these things. And so that's where it's like,
• 1:56:51
  you know, I don't think a lot of places think about this, but
• 1:56:54
  they'll and this is not judging anybody, so please don't take it
• 1:56:57
  as a judgement. But they'll put, you know, you
• 1:56:59
  go to New Buffalo and there's a cannabis shop like every five
• 1:57:02
  feet, you know, they'll have all that.
• 1:57:04
  But you know, yeah, it's a racetrack down there and said,
• 1:57:07
  hey, we can put a racetrack down here.
• 1:57:09
  No, no, my backyard. You know how loud that is?
• 1:57:12
  But you. Know everybody is as high as.
• 1:57:14
  Colorado down there. So, you know, like, what do you
• 1:57:16
  actually know? But you know, so it's like one
• 1:57:19
  of those things, right? Like that's why I thought like,
• 1:57:23
  you know, if we got fans to care about these tracks more like
• 1:57:26
  your die hards, your die hards, right?
• 1:57:29
  You could put the crappiest race on in front of these, in front
• 1:57:33
  of your die hards and they're going to love it and think it's
• 1:57:35
  the best thing that they ever saw, right?
• 1:57:37
  Cuz they're die. Hard that right you need.
• 1:57:40
  Every, every, I mean, you know, take it from a, you know,
• 1:57:44
  Chicago Bears fan, right? We, we just embrace it just like
• 1:57:48
  Cubs fans for a while. We are still living.
• 1:57:50
  At least we have 2016 to remember.
• 1:57:52
  But still, you know, like you have your diehards.
• 1:57:54
  So your diehards are your diehards, right?
• 1:57:57
  Those aren't the people you know, the diehards will set the
• 1:58:00
  track till 4:00 in the morning like the good old days and they
• 1:58:02
  won't have an issues running until 4:00 in the morning.
• 1:58:04
  But Dalton, as you said, while the 35 year old young family
• 1:58:09
  with kids who maybe did sports to start the day or did
• 1:58:12
  something you've already been going since 8:00 in the morning
• 1:58:14
  or five in the morning or whatever.
• 1:58:16
  They don't want to be at the track at midnight.
• 1:58:18
  They that family wants to be done by 10.
• 1:58:21
  Whatever. Cuz kids start zonking out.
• 1:58:23
  They start, you know, not being interested.
• 1:58:25
  The zoomies might even become left.
• 1:58:27
  The sleep zoomies might become a thing where now you're just
• 1:58:30
  trying to contain them from becoming mania monsters, right?
• 1:58:33
  Like, you know, don't touch that, don't touch that, right.
• 1:58:36
  Well, they're bored. So now everything's entertaining
• 1:58:39
  to them. And like I, I used to be one of
• 1:58:42
  those die. Hards, you know, I went to
• 1:58:43
  Galesburg, this is back in 2018. I got in there, practiced, ran
• 1:58:48
  the heat race, the dash, and the feature was back on the road for
• 1:58:51
  my two hour and 15 minute drive at 7:00.
• 1:58:54
  Got home, unloaded everything and still made it to Applebee's
• 1:58:58
  before they closed. Ate my whole meal and went home
• 1:59:01
  and they were still open and seating people back in Birch Run
• 1:59:05
  and I felt gypped, you know, like that wasn't, that wasn't a
• 1:59:09
  real racetrack experience because I was there for at that
• 1:59:12
  point 3 1/2 hours, you know, that wasn't what I wanted at the
• 1:59:15
  time. But now having a family and
• 1:59:18
  everything like that and traveling a little bit more,
• 1:59:21
  it's, it's opened my eyes that, you know, the, this is what the
• 1:59:24
  consumer wants. You know, it's not necessarily
• 1:59:26
  what the diehards are. And the diehards, like you said,
• 1:59:29
  they're not going anywhere. You have to get other people to
• 1:59:32
  the track. Like my wife, she sees racing
• 1:59:35
  stuff on Facebook all the time. You know, people posting about
• 1:59:37
  it. She's not, she's following
• 1:59:39
  racing pages, but not like me or you are.
• 1:59:43
  And she's. Seeing it because of her.
• 1:59:44
  Proximity, but you need the people that have 0 proximity to
• 1:59:48
  be to the racetrack. You know that's that's what you
• 1:59:51
  need. To work on, that's why.
• 1:59:52
  Just posting a flyer and a text BLOB doesn't do anything.
• 1:59:57
  Well, what? Even makes me think of.
• 1:59:59
  This conversation so on the road I when I'm on the road, I listen
• 2:00:02
  to busted open radio. You know I I Sears X and busted
• 2:00:06
  open. I put on the episodes that I
• 2:00:08
  missed out the week because I don't listen to it during the
• 2:00:10
  week. I wait until Friday because I'm
• 2:00:11
  on the road long enough. I usually get through the week.
• 2:00:13
  Is that a Daily Show it? Is a Daily Show that's.
• 2:00:16
  How long you? Guys got snapping up to get
• 2:00:20
  dailies. Yeah, well, I don't.
• 2:00:22
  Listen to their weekend. People I don't like their
• 2:00:24
  weekend. I got you like the Dave Lagrecas
• 2:00:26
  and that and so like I'm on the road long enough that I usually
• 2:00:29
  can catch up for most of the week.
• 2:00:31
  So anyways, they're talking about and you've seen this for
• 2:00:34
  like F1 and everything they have WWE unreal.
• 2:00:38
  I like unreal. I like, I don't even watch
• 2:00:41
  wrestling anymore. I've enjoyed some of those,
• 2:00:42
  Yeah, Yeah, I've liked Unreal, but.
• 2:00:44
  Then you listen and cuz Benny is absolutely right there's the
• 2:00:48
  generational gap because like I'm OK with it, but I'm under
• 2:00:52
  I'm under 40. So to me, it's not a big deal
• 2:00:55
  where I can't think sometimes this in racing like I've seen
• 2:00:58
  Stephen Woods, I've seen others get like absolutely reamed
• 2:01:01
  because I we. Only got 4 hours of.
• 2:01:05
  Racing this is a RIP off. I paid $15 and.
• 2:01:08
  And I'm like, and they're going on and on and on.
• 2:01:11
  And, you know, and this is not judging anybody, but, you know,
• 2:01:15
  it's an older generation fan who remembers the days of sitting
• 2:01:19
  there until 4:00 in the morning with yeah and features and like.
• 2:01:22
  This was something, this was something else I was saying
• 2:01:24
  about while we're at New Paris Saturday.
• 2:01:26
  I'm sorry, we're hijacking your interview here at Dalton.
• 2:01:27
  We're just turning into discussion.
• 2:01:30
  Discussion right it. Doesn't have to be.
• 2:01:32
  Q&A, but this was. Something I was.
• 2:01:33
  Saying about a new Paris again on Saturday was it's like it's
• 2:01:37
  getting towards the end of the night and I'm thinking about
• 2:01:39
  those comments that back in my day there was an E feature and
• 2:01:41
  we were here till 4:00 in the morning.
• 2:01:43
  I'd be so miserable if we were there till 4:00 in the morning
• 2:01:45
  Saturday. Dude, I'd be catching my.
• 2:01:48
  Head on the table. You think of everybody else that
• 2:01:51
  had to get. Stuck there like the fans, you
• 2:01:52
  know, the Die Hard. They were fine with sitting in
• 2:01:54
  the stands. But think about that flag, man.
• 2:01:56
  His arm was probably getting ready to fall off, you know what
• 2:01:59
  I mean? Like there was probably.
• 2:02:01
  Nothing you could do in the announcing booth to make the
• 2:02:03
  night go better. You just drink at that point.
• 2:02:06
  You've said everything 10 times at that point.
• 2:02:08
  Yeah, what are we doing here now?
• 2:02:09
  Well, I think that's. The thing too, like you just
• 2:02:11
  brought. Up the staff.
• 2:02:12
  You know the flag man. Like once Tyler Mcgahn at
• 2:02:16
  Kalamazoo, once Tyler Mcgahn is on the flag stand pretty much at
• 2:02:20
  2. No, that's not right at 45445.
• 2:02:27
  Let's say that that's when Tyler McGann gets up there because we
• 2:02:29
  start practice at 4:50, with the exception of the minimal,
• 2:02:35
  minimal downtime that we get from about 7:00 to about 720.
• 2:02:40
  He's on that flag stand the whole time.
• 2:02:42
  He doesn't get to just go leave. He doesn't just get to go do
• 2:02:46
  right. He has to bring his own water,
• 2:02:48
  his own whatever, because he can't go to go stand in line to
• 2:02:52
  get stuff right. He can't go do that.
• 2:02:54
  Your race director, once they're on, they're on, you know, and
• 2:02:58
  your tow truck drivers, your pit stewards, your timing and
• 2:03:02
  scoring, like all these things, right?
• 2:03:04
  Are all these people are doing that they don't have time.
• 2:03:07
  Sometimes even go to the bathroom, you know, and there's
• 2:03:10
  not a lot of staff to just relieve.
• 2:03:12
  You can't just put anybody in the flag stand.
• 2:03:14
  You can't just put anybody on the race control.
• 2:03:16
  You can't just put anybody in the tow truck, right?
• 2:03:19
  Like there, it's not like, you know, if you're at an auto shop
• 2:03:22
  and you have 5 mechanics around and 1 mechanic needs to go do
• 2:03:25
  something, OK, that mechanic might be able to go over.
• 2:03:28
  You have somebody who probably can get through enough, right?
• 2:03:31
  Like there's no backup, right? So so again, it's one of those
• 2:03:36
  that got to kind of think about them and you know, if we're
• 2:03:40
  there till 2:00 in the morning, that means that they their day
• 2:03:42
  started maybe even before racers day because they're probably
• 2:03:45
  there at the track before most get to the tracks.
• 2:03:47
  So but again, that's where, you know, there's some ideas in here
• 2:03:51
  that you guys mentioned that, you know, I sometimes wish would
• 2:03:54
  come back. I know it costs money to do, but
• 2:03:56
  it's like, but is it, you know, can you get something on the
• 2:03:58
  back end of it? Can you know might cost money up
• 2:04:00
  front, but can you get something?
• 2:04:03
  On the backside to do. It so so it's one of those
• 2:04:06
  things that, you know, like Brian Kasabic just joined on.
• 2:04:08
  I hope Brian's safe. I was talking with him about
• 2:04:11
  joining us tonight too, to talk about the Bahama brackets.
• 2:04:15
  But they got tornadoes over in that area.
• 2:04:16
  So, you know, their day changed quite a bit or yeah, tornadoes
• 2:04:20
  in the area and storm damage too.
• 2:04:22
  So over in Illinois and Wisconsin was bad.
• 2:04:25
  So definitely hope everyone's safe, Brian.
• 2:04:26
  But you know, they're going to have a long weekend with, you
• 2:04:30
  know, Bahama brackets. But it's it's fun and you kind
• 2:04:33
  of know that going into it. But they also the staff doesn't
• 2:04:36
  want to be there forever either, right?
• 2:04:37
  Like at some point you need to have efficiency as part of your
• 2:04:40
  program. But so going back to this to
• 2:04:44
  kind of wrap up Dalton, I just wanted to go back to there
• 2:04:46
  really quick. But you know, what's the one
• 2:04:49
  thing as a as a racer that you sometimes wish fans knew about,
• 2:04:55
  like racing, like something you see that you're like, that's
• 2:04:58
  just not right, you know, or that doesn't, that's not how it
• 2:05:01
  is. And then two, what's something
• 2:05:02
  that you've learned on this side of the fence as a racer that
• 2:05:07
  would make you a better race fan?
• 2:05:12
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump back. To the track deal and what we
• 2:05:16
  can do better, I have a very mild take.
• 2:05:20
  I think racing under the lights is very overrated.
• 2:05:24
  Yeah, I think. You would get a.
• 2:05:27
  Lot more people to probably sit out if you start racing at
• 2:05:31
  three, 4:00 like I love Berlin when we have an early or late
• 2:05:38
  season race there because they start at 4:00.
• 2:05:40
  You know before before Memorial, they start at 4:00 and after
• 2:05:43
  Labor Day and you're in and out of there.
• 2:05:46
  The sun's still up, you're out of there by 7:30.
• 2:05:48
  You can still go to a nice dinner.
• 2:05:49
  And now being on this side of it, I really, really like it so
• 2:05:54
  and I think this can turn me. Into the old man on Facebook
• 2:05:58
  that's going banging my day. Well, like you were.
• 2:06:01
  Saying you got to get the casuals.
• 2:06:02
  In there, if you can get. I hear you.
• 2:06:05
  Yeah. If you can guarantee them being.
• 2:06:07
  Out of the racetrack no later than 9:00.
• 2:06:10
  Who's not in for that? You know, they can still get
• 2:06:12
  home. They can get their kids in bed
• 2:06:14
  at a decent time. They can get up for church on
• 2:06:15
  Sunday morning. You know, there there's no issue
• 2:06:18
  there. So that's that's going to be my
• 2:06:20
  hot take for the night start racing.
• 2:06:22
  I hear you. Well.
• 2:06:26
  Here's another way to sell that. Some people I.
• 2:06:29
  Know have gone from. Berlin to other race tracks in
• 2:06:32
  the same day. They've got basically two
• 2:06:34
  programs in the same day because one started.
• 2:06:37
  You're right, Slinger. Does the same thing.
• 2:06:39
  Slinger starts before, I wanna say it's also before Memorial
• 2:06:43
  Day. They start at a certain time,
• 2:06:44
  then they have summer hours and then they have fall hours where
• 2:06:47
  they'll fall back once school's in session and all these other
• 2:06:50
  things. These are on a Sunday, right?
• 2:06:51
  So that's something that that's something you have to kind of
• 2:06:55
  think about is, you know, kind of yeah, you don't.
• 2:06:59
  You don't have to start. You don't have to start at the
• 2:07:00
  same time every week either. I mean, consistency is nice, but
• 2:07:04
  if you're like, like if you want to get run a earlier show one
• 2:07:07
  month, one race a month or something like Dalton's, that
• 2:07:10
  that's not what Dalton said. But the earlier show, like
• 2:07:12
  Dalton said, and do that once a month, maybe that's an option.
• 2:07:15
  But yeah, yeah, there's, there's definitely things to play with.
• 2:07:18
  And I just feel like the creativity is lacking sometimes.
• 2:07:22
  Yeah, yeah. But to get.
• 2:07:24
  Back on, what the fans don't see is what's actually going on
• 2:07:29
  behind the scenes that I wish more people would see.
• 2:07:31
  Like not all the delays are always somebody's fault, you
• 2:07:36
  know, Like there's always gonna be a weird quirk, the scoring
• 2:07:39
  loops gonna go out and you got to fix it and they're getting
• 2:07:42
  restless in the stands or whatever it might be.
• 2:07:45
  No, it's not for lack of trying. And then to be a better fan, now
• 2:07:50
  it's understanding those things and the coupled delays or
• 2:07:54
  whatever it might be like, hey, the ambulance isn't quite in
• 2:07:57
  place because we got to shuffle some cars in the shoe, whatever
• 2:08:01
  it might be. Things like that, that it's just
• 2:08:04
  have some patience, have some grace with the thing.
• 2:08:09
  To Dalton's point, they're. Working more on the like the the
• 2:08:13
  staff side of things, I guess. Now at race tracks, it's like
• 2:08:17
  the staff is never up in the tower or in the office going.
• 2:08:19
  We stuck. We got him here for another 15
• 2:08:21
  minutes, boys. Yeah, no, they're trying to get
• 2:08:24
  it. Through.
• 2:08:24
  Too, It's like, and I've been in the race car too.
• 2:08:26
  It's like, why are we still doing caution laps?
• 2:08:29
  But there is a reason that we're doing it.
• 2:08:31
  Yeah, that is my pet peeve is just.
• 2:08:32
  Running a million cars. Just park us if it's going to be
• 2:08:35
  a minute. I'm just, yeah.
• 2:08:38
  If. We have to run.
• 2:08:39
  More than six caution laps. No.
• 2:08:42
  Yeah, no. Just pardon me.
• 2:08:44
  I'm with you. Let me save the.
• 2:08:45
  Fuel money. Yeah, cuz that was where was.
• 2:08:49
  I I was reading an article somewhere, I forget where.
• 2:08:53
  It might have been a Speedway Images action article, but
• 2:08:57
  because Jim Foose has been doing different series kind of things
• 2:09:00
  with his writing, and that's kind of what he made me think.
• 2:09:03
  Because I always tell Drew Jack and I know we'll wrap up soon
• 2:09:05
  because the Dalton, we've already had you for an hour and
• 2:09:07
  you have kids and everything, but he's got to eat.
• 2:09:10
  Yeah. Yeah, those buju.
• 2:09:12
  Bites Which? I'm like, I'm glad that we had
• 2:09:14
  that idea. You know, I'm I got, you know,
• 2:09:16
  we talked about that Buju bites and I'm excited that you're
• 2:09:20
  doing that. So I gotta make a graphic.
• 2:09:22
  Oh yeah. You biting something I haven't?
• 2:09:25
  Watched your episode from last night yet cuz I was telling
• 2:09:28
  Dalton I said by the time I got home it was midnight.
• 2:09:30
  I hear ya. And then it's a quick one.
• 2:09:32
  It's 23 minutes for you. Bleachers and features available
• 2:09:35
  on YouTube, Facebook. Yeah, and I.
• 2:09:38
  I spot a pineapple podcast. You saw the.
• 2:09:40
  First time I posted on Facebook. Earlier today, I mean I was like
• 2:09:43
  I just haven't even been on Facebook and I know people are
• 2:09:45
  messaging me. I was just looking cuz I was
• 2:09:47
  getting ready to message Dalton and with the link when he had
• 2:09:51
  actually messaged me because I just gotten on stream yard at
• 2:09:53
  that point and I went oh I didn't message him last night.
• 2:09:56
  I felt like it was on my. Sticky note to do.
• 2:09:59
  That, but I was so zonked by the time I got home and everything
• 2:10:02
  and I sat in the Burger King drive through over here for 20
• 2:10:06
  minutes waiting for food and I almost pulled away because I
• 2:10:09
  haven't paid to that point. But I always judge those people
• 2:10:11
  who do that. But I'm like, I lost all this
• 2:10:14
  time just sitting here. I'm tired, I'm ready, you know,
• 2:10:16
  like whatever, but but I always told you Jack to go back to
• 2:10:20
  that. I always told you Jack that I
• 2:10:21
  was a dumb race fan and I learned so much on this side and
• 2:10:26
  I'm still learning. Like I tell people all the time,
• 2:10:28
  like I'm never going to say I'm expert in something.
• 2:10:31
  It doesn't matter how many races I video, doesn't matter how many
• 2:10:33
  times I do go pros or anything like that.
• 2:10:35
  Like I'm not expert. I'm constant learning.
• 2:10:37
  I'm constantly trying to look for different things.
• 2:10:40
  But that's where, you know, I've, I've countered that to
• 2:10:43
  some people's like, OK, now you as a race car driver, because
• 2:10:47
  now you're in this type of the fence.
• 2:10:48
  How does that, you know, how does that help you make you a
• 2:10:51
  better race fan or things that you understand because you live
• 2:10:54
  it on the other side, right? But you hear it from that side,
• 2:10:58
  right? You can go to Facebook comments
• 2:11:00
  and you know, and a few weeks ago, no one took offense to it,
• 2:11:04
  but I think people knew How I Met.
• 2:11:06
  And so again, no offense to this, but you get those who do
• 2:11:10
  just eye racing and I and I get eye racing is like pretty
• 2:11:13
  realistic and all these things, but at the end of the day, it's
• 2:11:15
  still a video game. If you crash an I racing, you
• 2:11:18
  don't have a $1000 repair bill on a race car.
• 2:11:22
  You repopulate and you go race again.
• 2:11:25
  My brother crashes all the time and he didn't.
• 2:11:27
  And it didn't cost him any money to fix that car.
• 2:11:30
  It literally just repopulated on the screen and he drove more and
• 2:11:35
  crashed again. So, you know, but sometimes on
• 2:11:38
  my comments and I've seen in other pages, you'll get those
• 2:11:41
  who say, well, when I'm on I racing, no, you've already lost.
• 2:11:44
  You've already lost argument there.
• 2:11:47
  Because I'm not saying. That, you know, for racers I
• 2:11:50
  racing is an awesome tool. Like Nolan Gross said that he
• 2:11:52
  raced Slinger on I Racing and that gave him an idea of what to
• 2:11:56
  expect, what to feel, the setup to do that.
• 2:11:58
  So it's an awesome tool. I'm not against I racing, but
• 2:12:01
  I've seen some people who sometimes comment, well, you
• 2:12:04
  would be a better racer if you did this.
• 2:12:05
  And the only credibility they have is I racing.
• 2:12:08
  It's not the same. It's a tool, but at the end of
• 2:12:13
  the day, it's a video game and you paid a lot less for that to
• 2:12:17
  play iRacing than what you do. The car that's sitting right
• 2:12:20
  behind you. Guaranteed you can buy a lot of
• 2:12:22
  iRacing things with that car if you sold that right.
• 2:12:25
  So you can get there are rigs that are still that are almost
• 2:12:29
  as much as that car that people do buy that.
• 2:12:31
  But but still, the iRacing itself doesn't cost as much to
• 2:12:35
  do right. So sometimes that's where I can
• 2:12:37
  get irritated. It's like, OK, I'm just going to
• 2:12:39
  delete your comment. I don't even hide it.
• 2:12:41
  I just delete it because it's like come with something better,
• 2:12:45
  you know, like if you say, well, my dad used to race and as a fan
• 2:12:48
  more credible because you can you're a part of that you.
• 2:12:51
  Know. You have an idea, even if you've
• 2:12:53
  not been in a race car yourself, but when you're like, well,
• 2:12:56
  here's the line that I run and here's how I do this.
• 2:12:58
  And when I'm on I racing and I want all these features not the
• 2:13:00
  same. Nope, not the same.
• 2:13:03
  It's a tool. It's a tool, it's helpful and
• 2:13:07
  there are people who can race and get sponsors and all that
• 2:13:11
  because they can do iRacing and it's affordable for them.
• 2:13:13
  So I'm not judging it. But if that's the only thing
• 2:13:15
  that you come to an argument with, I'm probably judging.
• 2:13:18
  So you know, because that it's not the same, you know, and
• 2:13:22
  again, if you crash your car and I racing, it didn't cost you
• 2:13:25
  $2000 to fix, right? From what I.
• 2:13:28
  Know at least. Again, my brother crashes a lot
• 2:13:31
  so it didn't cost him a dime but but anyways, I know like I said,
• 2:13:37
  we've kept you way long. But again, I felt like the
• 2:13:40
  conversation went fast. I don't know about you boosie,
• 2:13:42
  but it just. Oh yeah, this is fun.
• 2:13:44
  Man, that it's already after. 9 and you have little ones to take
• 2:13:47
  care of and everything else and I and you've already been going
• 2:13:49
  through the day. But again, good luck in Canada
• 2:13:52
  this weekend cuz that would be an awesome experience just to
• 2:13:55
  see. And I'll be on my race pass cuz
• 2:13:57
  I'm assuming it'll be on my race pass to see how you're doing
• 2:14:00
  over there. And a couple of our compacts are
• 2:14:02
  going. So Yep.
• 2:14:03
  So again, have fun, safe travels when you head over that way.
• 2:14:07
  And you said we might see you at Super Shoe Michigan.
• 2:14:11
  Cup No Super shoe. Michigan Cup.
• 2:14:13
  Yep. But any chance we?
• 2:14:15
  Might see you down this way for any other show.
• 2:14:17
  Or is Michigan Cup probably the earliest I will be at M40?
• 2:14:21
  For the delta number, I believe it is, it's the 15th, that'll be
• 2:14:26
  probably the last time for the year.
• 2:14:29
  So cuz after that we're pretty booked up.
• 2:14:32
  It's August 22nd at Flat Rock, the night before I'll be at
• 2:14:36
  Birch Run, and then August 28th for the World Series at Birch
• 2:14:40
  Run. So we're that that takes us
• 2:14:42
  pretty much to the end of the year.
• 2:14:44
  Yeah, well, like I like I told. You earlier, you always got good
• 2:14:47
  looking race cars. I think you're a very clean and
• 2:14:49
  respectful racer and I know my family's always enjoyed racing
• 2:14:51
  with you when we've had the opportunity so and I appreciate
• 2:14:54
  you coming on the show tonight. It was a good interview.
• 2:14:55
  Thanks Dole. It's clean because I don't want
• 2:14:57
  to work on it. I hear you.
• 2:14:59
  I'm with you. Slinger right that.
• 2:15:02
  Was a pretty. Good race.
• 2:15:03
  And you were right up in there. It's not like you held back.
• 2:15:06
  I mean you finish as one of the top cars there and and they
• 2:15:09
  raced with a couple mini stocks and I don't think what only one
• 2:15:13
  mini stock was in the top five, I think.
• 2:15:15
  No, there wasn't any. Oh, no, I think it was.
• 2:15:17
  That's right, because I think it.
• 2:15:19
  Was Cecil and Dustin. Krum.
• 2:15:21
  Were. The top 2 and they were 8th or
• 2:15:25
  somewhere in there. You're right, because they.
• 2:15:27
  Had obviously Carter was a front row Dr. house front wheel drive
• 2:15:32
  the guy after him front wheel drive racer there Slinger bees,
• 2:15:38
  super bees that they come. So yeah, you're right because
• 2:15:40
  you're what, 5th? I was 4th, 4th, 4th.
• 2:15:43
  That senior 5th and then yeah, Yep, Yep, I knew you.
• 2:15:46
  Were there I couldn't. Remember which seniors before or
• 2:15:49
  after you. But again, the Michigan cars,
• 2:15:51
  you know, did put on a show though they came and
• 2:15:54
  represented. And so I already know national
• 2:15:57
  compacts will be back at Slinger next year.
• 2:15:58
  That's already it sounds like that's already been locked in
• 2:16:02
  again. I'm not the official messenger
• 2:16:03
  that'll come from Drew Jack, but I know he they were leaving
• 2:16:06
  really impressed that night with the group.
• 2:16:08
  So, so Buju, a chance that you might be able to get a national
• 2:16:11
  compact and race next year at Slinger see.
• 2:16:16
  Whatever you. Can it's worth?
• 2:16:17
  The trip. So I'm going to do something
• 2:16:19
  different. Buju, you still get your line,
• 2:16:21
  but since Dalton listens to our show all the time, I'm going to
• 2:16:25
  have him help us close out and I'm just going to sit and watch.
• 2:16:28
  So let's see if he knows my line and I won't judge you if you
• 2:16:31
  forget it. But then Buju he, he'll toss it
• 2:16:35
  to you and I'm so I'm handing it over the power.
• 2:16:37
  Let's see how this goes. All right, Buju, it's time to
• 2:16:40
  turn. Left and go fast because we will
• 2:16:42
  see you at the races. What a bro.
• 2:16:46
  Have a good night guys, you can. Replace me now.