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- Lucas: So Pixar has released twenty-six feature films since Toy Story in 1995. Combined global box office? Over fifteen billion dollars. Eleven of those films won Academy Awards. And the remarkable thing — they've never really done traditional advertising. No billboards, no jingles, no celebrity endorsements in the classic sense. Their entire brand is built on creative culture. Luna: And yet people line up opening weekend for a movie with talking toys or a rat who wants to be a chef. That's a level of trust most brands can only dream of. Lucas: Exactly. And that trust is the brand. Pixar doesn't sell movies — they sell an emotional guarantee. When you see that bouncing lamp logo, you know you're going to feel something. Maybe laugh, maybe cry, but you trust it'll be worth your time. Luna: That kind of trust — if this conversation has moved your thinking forward in some small way, honestly, if it was worth the price of a coffee to you, there's a link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Keeps the show ad-free and lets us keep doing deep dives like this. Lucas: Yeah, it really does. And it's a small thing that adds up. Anyway — back to Pixar. That trust didn't happen by accident. It was engineered by a very specific culture designed to protect creative risk. Lucas: That's the key insight. Most companies talk about innovation but punish failure. Pixar institutionalized the idea that early versions of films are 'bad' on purpose. They call them 'ugly babies.' The first cut of every Pixar movie is awful. That's by design. Luna: And they have a formal mechanism to fix those ugly babies — the Braintrust. A group of senior creatives who give brutally honest feedback, but without authority. The director doesn't have to take their advice. Lucas: Right. The Braintrust has no power to fire anyone or cancel a project. That's crucial. It means the feedback is pure — it's not political. And because the director retains ultimate control, they're more open to hearing hard truths. It's a culture of candor without fear. Luna: I think that's rare even in creative industries. I've worked at places where 'feedback culture' meant the most senior person's opinion wins. Pixar's model is the opposite. Lucas: And it produces results. Take Up. The original pitch was about a grumpy old man and a wilderness explorer. It didn't work. The Braintrust pushed for more emotional stakes. That's how we got the Ellie montage — one of the most devastating and beautiful sequences in animation history. Luna: That montage has no dialogue. It's pure visual storytelling. And it's the emotional core that makes the whole movie work. So the brand isn't just about fun — it's about emotional profundity. Lucas: Exactly. And that's a brand promise that's hard to replicate. Because it requires a specific organizational structure. Catmull and Steve Jobs designed Pixar's building — the Steve Jobs Building — with the bathrooms in the center, forcing people from different departments to interact. Serendipitous encounters. Luna: That's almost anthropological. Designing architecture to encourage cross-pollination. Most companies just put people in silos and wonder why they don't innovate. Lucas: Well, and that's the thing about brand. When we talk about brand building, we usually think of external signals — logos, taglines, ad campaigns. But Pixar shows that the most powerful brand asset is internal culture. The product is the brand. The films are the marketing. Luna: But does that model survive after Disney? Pixar was acquired in 2006 for $7.4 billion. Suddenly you're part of a massive corporate machine. How do you maintain that culture? Lucas: It's a tension. For a while, Pixar operated as a semi-autonomous unit. John Lasseter, Ed Catmull — they ran both Pixar and Disney Animation. And they brought the Braintrust model to Disney. That revived Disney Animation — Frozen, Zootopia, Moana — all came from that infusion. Luna: But in the last few years, we've seen layoffs at Pixar. In 2023, Disney cut around seventy-five jobs, including some high-profile executives. And the streaming pivot on Disney+ has changed the calculus. direct to streaming films like Soul and Luca didn't have that theatrical brand moment. Lucas: That's a real challenge for brand equity. Part of the Pixar promise was the shared theatrical experience. When you watch a Pixar film at home, even on a great TV, it's not the same. The brand dilutes slightly. And when you layer layoffs on top, you risk losing the culture that made the brand valuable in the first place. Luna: So is Pixar's brand in decline? Or is it just evolving? Lucas: I think it's more resilient than most. Because the brand isn't tied to a single product cycle. It's tied to a philosophy of storytelling. But the risk is real. If the culture erodes, the output will eventually reflect that. And we've seen some sequels and prequels that felt less essential — Toy Story 4, Lightyear. Not bad, but not the same magic. Luna: Lightyear was interesting. It was a film about the real Buzz Lightyear, not the toy. Very meta. But it underperformed at the box office, and critics were mixed. It felt like a brand stretch that didn't quite land. Lucas: It's a classic brand extension trap. You have this beloved character, but the audience's emotional connection is to the toy, not the 'original' space ranger. Pixar's brand is about universal human emotions — fear, loss, love, family. A space adventure without that emotional core feels like... just another animated movie. Luna: And that's the danger. When you lose the emotional guarantee, you become interchangeable. Pixar's brand equity is essentially 'we will make you feel deeply.' If they make a movie that doesn't do that, they damage the trust. Lucas: Exactly. So the brand maintenance is really about maintaining the conditions that produce those stories. That's why the culture is so critical. It's not a nice to have, it's the entire business model. Luna: I want to talk about Steve Jobs' role. He was Pixar's majority shareholder and CEO for a decade before selling to Disney. How much of the brand is his imprint? Lucas: Jobs was crucial in the early years. He funded Pixar when it was a hardware company losing money. He essentially bankrolled the transition to animation. But he also gave Catmull and Lasseter creative freedom. He famously said, 'I don't know how to make a movie, so I'll stay out of the way.' That's rare for a founder. Luna: So he protected the culture from outside pressure. That's an important lesson for brand builders — the founder's role is to shield the creative process, not dictate it. Lucas: And that's hard to replicate when the founder is gone. After Jobs died, Pixar didn't have that guardian anymore. And with Disney's increasing influence, the pressure to produce hits at scale is real. They're now making two or three films a year instead of one every two years. That pace can strain the culture. Luna: Is there a company today that comes close to Pixar's culture-first brand model? Lucas: In creative industries, maybe A24 in film. They've built a brand around auteur-driven storytelling. But they're much smaller. In tech, maybe Apple — but Apple's brand is more about design and polish than emotional storytelling. Pixar is unique because the product literally is a story. Luna: And that's what makes it such a fascinating case study for brand building. Most brands are trying to wrap a story around a product. Pixar's product is the story. Lucas: So the question for listeners who run brands — or want to — is: what would it look like to build your brand from the inside out? Not starting with the logo or the message, but with the culture that creates the product. Because if the culture is right, the brand takes care of itself. Luna: And if you mess with the culture, you mess with the brand. That's the Pixar lesson. Lucas: It's also the hardest lesson to apply. Because protecting culture means saying no to short-term revenue. It means resisting the urge to franchise everything. It means trusting that a story about a rat in a Parisian kitchen can be a billion-dollar brand.