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Between The Pipes: Adrian Denny on the Carolina Hurricanes' Stanley Cup win, Utah Mammoth in next week's NHL draft + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Half an Welcome back to the Shot O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome man, our good friend Adrian Danny. We go between
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  Speaker 1: the pipes. Little postmortem on the NHL season that was,
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  Speaker 1: of course capped off with the Carolina Hurricanes hoisting the
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  Speaker 1: Stanley Cup. Conversation with Adrian Denny brought to you by
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  Speaker 2: Adrian, Hi, good to see you. Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Gosh, we'd have a game seven tonight, but Carolina took
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  Speaker 4: care of it Sunday, which seems like three weeks ago
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  Speaker 4: at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Sunday night, it goes along, it goes fast, the sports
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  Speaker 1: calendar in the sports world. But the Carolina Hurricanes, your
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  Speaker 1: eventual champions. Tell me your thoughts, tell me how you
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  Speaker 1: saw this thing play out last two games. Carolina kind
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  Speaker 1: of took over. It's funny how these series go and
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  Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup playoffs. Right, you could go right back
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  Speaker 1: to Utah's first round series, had a two to one
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  Speaker 1: serious lead against Vegas, had a chance to go up
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  Speaker 1: three to one, and then the series tilted towards Vegas
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  Speaker 1: a couple close ones, and then game six the Golden
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  Speaker 1: Knights took it. Well, this series was the exact opposite
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  Speaker 1: of that series. Vegas goes up two games to one,
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  Speaker 1: has a multi goal lead, and then the series kind
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  Speaker 1: of tilts, and then Carolina just puts a stranglehold on
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  Speaker 1: him and takes it the rest of the way. And
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  Speaker 1: you can look at it, you know, Uh, Carolina made
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  Speaker 1: a goaltender switch mid series, Vegas stuck with their guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a simple way to look at it. But
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  Speaker 1: those were two key moments in the series of Carolina
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  Speaker 1: making a change and Vegas not.
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  Speaker 2: So. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You can always make a case that you kind of
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  Speaker 1: you kind of have to build toward these victories, these
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  Speaker 1: ultimate championship victories.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think we just saw the San Antonio Spurs with
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  Speaker 1: their four way into the NBA four A into the
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  Speaker 1: NBA Finals and it's like, yeah, they didn't win it.
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  Speaker 2: Great story with the Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of us are of the opinion that San
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  Speaker 1: Antonio is going to be in a similar position for
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  Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, and that maybe your first trip to
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  Speaker 1: the finals with this team doesn't end with the trophy,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe the second, or the third, or maybe the
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  Speaker 1: third through the sixth we'll all end in trophies. Who knows,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, I know that this is part of the
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  Speaker 1: plan for the Utah Mammoth.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You kind of have to build gradually.
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  Speaker 1: You got to be a playoff contender, then you got
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  Speaker 1: to make it into the playoffs, and then you probably
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  Speaker 1: have to be a playoff staple, and then maybe you
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  Speaker 1: could be a Stanley Cup champion. Seems like that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of how it was for Carolina, right, This was what
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  Speaker 1: eighth trip to the playoffs in a row.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Carolina is a great case study for Utah.
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  Speaker 4: They had made the conference finals three times in the
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  Speaker 4: last six years before this season when they had the
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  Speaker 4: best record in the East, and ultimately do get to
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  Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: Of there's just one team that comes out of this,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you can look at a team like
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  Speaker 4: Tampa Bay, who thought they were contender, didn't get out
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  Speaker 4: of the first round, lost in seven games to Montreal.
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  Speaker 4: There's just one team and you just want to get
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  Speaker 4: in so you can have that chance to get there
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  Speaker 4: or go back. Eighth year for Carolina and you know
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  Speaker 4: there was there was noise like, well what they do
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  Speaker 4: doesn't work. They burn themselves out, they get tired and
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  Speaker 4: they run out of gas. And Rod Brindemore, the head
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  Speaker 4: coach of the Cane said, my style works. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to keep playing this way and we're going to keep going.
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  Speaker 4: And if if you go back Florida winning back to
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  Speaker 4: back Cups. They they went in and lost in the
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  Speaker 4: final to Vegas, but it was you know, second and
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  Speaker 4: third trips back there, which is you know, not not typical.
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  Speaker 4: You look at Vegas, they won a Stanley Cup in
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  Speaker 4: their sixth year after they made the final their first year.
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  Speaker 4: It took them five years to get back. Tampa Bay,
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  Speaker 4: that group won the Cup in their seventh and eighth
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  Speaker 4: year in the playoffs after having the best record in
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  Speaker 4: the league in their sixth year. In twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 4: you're getting swept in the first round by Columbus Saint
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  Speaker 4: Louis in twenty nineteen. Everybody looks at him. They were
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  Speaker 4: in last place in January, but they had made the
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  Speaker 4: playoffs in six to seven years, and they won it
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  Speaker 4: in the seventh of eight in the playoffs. Alexander of
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  Speaker 4: Vetchkin took ten trips to the playoffs before he won
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  Speaker 4: a Stanley Cup championship. Pittsburgh lost in eight one and
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  Speaker 4: oh nine, still early on, but it took him seven
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  Speaker 4: years to get back to win their back to back cups.
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  Speaker 4: So it's got to be your year. Everything's got a
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  Speaker 4: fall in place. But I thought, you know, I thought,
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  Speaker 4: for Utah fans, that's that's something really, you know, newsworthy
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  Speaker 4: to look out there. You know how long it takes.
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  Speaker 4: And Bill Armstrong has said it takes a decade to
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  Speaker 4: build a Stanley Cup champion, And you know, Utah got
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years head start from a previous era.
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  Speaker 4: But this was the fifth year with head coach Andre
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  Speaker 4: Turney behind the bench, first year in the playoffs, So.
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  Speaker 1: Eight years in a row, Like, nobody wants to wait
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  Speaker 1: eight years? What's a reasonable what's a reasonable timeline in
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  Speaker 1: your mind? For well, none of us thought that Utah
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  Speaker 1: was going to win the Stanley Cup this year. I
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  Speaker 1: think I was of the opinion that they could have
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  Speaker 1: at least advanced out of that first round, even though
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  Speaker 1: obviously the Knights were a great team. They ended up
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  Speaker 1: winning the West. How many years back to back to
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  Speaker 1: back do you need to be building on playoffs success
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  Speaker 1: and momentum do you think before you really have a breakthrough.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'd say maybe your third if you can
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  Speaker 4: win a series next year and again, you can go
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  Speaker 4: to the playoffs next year losing the first round again,
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  Speaker 4: and it's it's just how it goes, which is why
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the year, Bill Armstrong says, we
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  Speaker 4: just want to get back to the playoffs. We want
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  Speaker 4: to get back in and it's hard to make it.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, right, there was there were six teams
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  Speaker 4: that made the playoffs last season that that didn't get
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  Speaker 4: back to it this year. You know, you can get
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  Speaker 4: on a run. You can get hot. Montreal in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty one just they got they they went on a run,
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  Speaker 4: they got to the they got to the final. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you can you can go back and over the years
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  Speaker 4: pick out, pick out some spots to some teams that
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  Speaker 4: that made that run, didn't mean they went back to
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  Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Finals three straight years.
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  Speaker 2: No, they got there.
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  Speaker 4: In Pittsburgh's case, took them seven to get back, took
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  Speaker 4: Vegas five to get back. Just it just got to
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  Speaker 4: be your time. Everything's got everything's got a fall. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think if you were, you know, building
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  Speaker 4: this out as everything is gone so far from Utah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, want to have a chance to get in
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs, get into the playoffs. You saw what it
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  Speaker 4: was like. You come back, you're hungry, you're upset how
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  Speaker 4: things ended. You can make a run next year, could
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  Speaker 4: do it the third year. I think now that you've
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  Speaker 4: shown your playoff team, you're kind of done with. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this year, we want to do this. Do this, do this.
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  Speaker 4: It's get in and go. A lot of hockey people
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  Speaker 4: were not surprised by this. To me, it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: get used to the fact the idea that a guy
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  Speaker 4: who became your head coach eight days before, eight games
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  Speaker 4: before the end of your regular season took you all
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  Speaker 4: the way to the Stanley Cup Finals is not your
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  Speaker 4: coach still going into next year. But again, there are
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  Speaker 4: a lot of hockey people that think that the Las
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  Speaker 4: Vegas situation with John Tortorella was somewhat predictable, and that
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  Speaker 4: division always was just to have him finish out the
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  Speaker 4: year for Vegas and never really in his mind or
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  Speaker 4: in the franchise's mind, for it to go much longer
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  Speaker 4: than that. Of course, that's how it ended up playing out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it through the lens of.
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  Speaker 1: Every other sport we've ever watched, and with rare, rare exception,
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  Speaker 1: if you make it this far, and if you do
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  Speaker 1: this good of a job, you were invited to come
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  Speaker 1: back and try to do it again. But Vegas has
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  Speaker 1: moved on from John Tortorello. They've elevated their AHL affiliate coach,
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  Speaker 1: the Silver Knights coach Ryan Craig, to now the big club,
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  Speaker 1: which again doesn't follow.
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  Speaker 2: The model of a lot of other sports.
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  Speaker 1: But your thoughts on John Tortorello and the Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: gold Knights deciding that that little, uh whatever it was,
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  Speaker 1: eight week run, that was good enough for us.
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  Speaker 4: He said throughout this is through the end of the season, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And then he said it again in the Stanley Cup final.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, this is just through the end of the season.
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  Speaker 4: Vegas does things their own way, as we've seen I
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  Speaker 4: thought the two paragraph press release yesterday the John Tory
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  Speaker 4: Corella would not return before their players even did postseason
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  Speaker 4: exit interviews to the media. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 4: little short. I don't want to say tarse. I think
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  Speaker 4: they're ticked that they didn't they didn't win the Stanley
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  Speaker 4: Cup Final. I I don't know, man, Like you look
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  Speaker 4: at you know, sticking with Carter Hart not going to
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  Speaker 4: Baden Hill. You look at the second round draft pick
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  Speaker 4: that they surrendered when they didn't go to that bizarre
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  Speaker 4: postgame press conference after Game six beating Anaheim, that weird night,
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  Speaker 4: they lose that second rounder that you know that they're
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  Speaker 4: chopping at the bit to trade next year at the deadline.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, how pissed are you if you're part of the
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  Speaker 1: franchise and the guy who was there as a temp
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  Speaker 1: costs you a draft pick.
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  Speaker 4: That's not ideal, a draft pick that that they want
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  Speaker 4: to trade. Right, they trade most of their high, higher
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  Speaker 4: draft picks. But I kind of felt in that release,
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  Speaker 4: reading between the lines, you know that they weren't they
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  Speaker 4: there just seemed to be a riff of some sort.
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  Speaker 4: And John Tortorella did say throughout this is a through
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  Speaker 4: the end of the season. But did we all believe that.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we weren't in the Vegas meetings and know
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  Speaker 4: their their planned. Ryan Craig is the exact opposite of
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  Speaker 4: John Tortorella. He was a player that went straight to
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  Speaker 4: the NHL as an assistant coach and was a Vegas
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  Speaker 4: assistant coach for six years and then kind of looks
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  Speaker 4: like now they said, Okay, get on the highway, go
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  Speaker 4: two exits down to Henderson, get some coaching experience in
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  Speaker 4: the AHL, and we'll see how things go. And they
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  Speaker 4: stick with their plan there. But he's he's the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't he's not entertaining. I don't want to say vanilla.
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  Speaker 4: He's a nice guy, he's a good coach, but the
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  Speaker 4: exact opposite of Torrella. But I guess I guess that
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  Speaker 4: was their plan. So, oh, c here's my thing. So
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  Speaker 4: they wouldn't let Edmonton talk to Bruce Cassidy, who they fired,
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  Speaker 4: and Edmonton had interest in firing a coach without a
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  Speaker 4: coach to hire because they couldn't get Bruce Cassidy. And
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  Speaker 4: now Mike Babcock is being investigated by the NHL for
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  Speaker 4: how things ended up in Columbus before he ever even
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  Speaker 4: coached the game. But Kelly mcrima, the GM of Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: did say he has allowed one team to talk to
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  Speaker 4: Bruce Cassidy and he's taking it on a case by
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  Speaker 4: case basis, so we don't know who that is right now.
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  Speaker 4: The only team without a head coach is Edmonton because
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  Speaker 4: Toronto from their fifty zoom calls identified Jim Hiller from
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  Speaker 4: LA who was fired mid season to hire them, which
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  Speaker 4: is a different story. But I'm thinking, I'll be honest
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  Speaker 4: with you, I would be more afraid of John Torrirella
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  Speaker 4: going to Edmonton than I would be if Bruce cass
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  Speaker 4: in terms of immediate impacts.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was getting at there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how it works out because obviously
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  Speaker 1: it's non traditional for a Stanley Cup Finals team, for
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  Speaker 1: an NBA Finals team, for a team that has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of really good things going for them to then
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  Speaker 1: have such a significant shake up at the top. And
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  Speaker 1: it can be something that either elevates you to the
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  Speaker 1: next level, as we saw many years ago with the
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  Speaker 1: Warriors moving on from Mark Jackson who had really good
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  Speaker 1: things going.
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  Speaker 2: On to.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Kerr obviously, and there's NFL examples of this where
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  Speaker 1: you're just you're you're kind of the guy, but you're
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  Speaker 1: not quite the guy, and then you get replaced, and
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  Speaker 1: then the that next person is the one who comes
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  Speaker 1: in and gets a little bit more out of the team.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Thibodeau's had been the guy that gets moved on
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  Speaker 1: from a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of times in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could probably make a case that the
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine or did this with Jim Harbaugh
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  Speaker 1: thinking that they would have better things on the horizon.
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  Speaker 1: H Vegas is now, in your mind, a perennial contender.
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  Speaker 1: They're at the end of their rope and this was
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  Speaker 1: their best chance. This is a team that Utah is
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to play that the Mammoth are gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with moving forward. There's teams like San Jose
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  Speaker 1: on the rise in the West, and you know, can Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have a particularly great regular season in the
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  Speaker 1: first place.
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  Speaker 2: Can they stay at this level with the changes?
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  Speaker 4: They're sure as heck going to go into every season
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  Speaker 4: with that championship expectation. One player that you can watch
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  Speaker 4: out for is Pavel door Fief, who had that great
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  Speaker 4: playoff run for Vegas after starting off really slow against
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  Speaker 4: the Mammoth but double digit goals.
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  Speaker 2: He's a restricted free agent.
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  Speaker 4: He's still a kid, but you know, looking at some stuff,
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  Speaker 4: could be a guy that could get nine to eleven
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  Speaker 4: million dollars and Vegas has him and Rastus Anderson, who
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  Speaker 4: the top d who they got from Calgary mid season
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  Speaker 4: to sign. So it'll be interesting. Oh see, as popular
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  Speaker 4: as Vegas is around the NHL, if somebody comes in
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  Speaker 4: and gives an offer sheet to a restricted free agent
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  Speaker 4: in Pavel dori fiaf for a Vegas team that's always
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  Speaker 4: very crafty, always very strategic with their salary cap. But
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  Speaker 4: they they don't have a lot because they're just constantly
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  Speaker 4: on the move. But that'll be there. They're they're never
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  Speaker 4: gonna say this is a this is a retool. They're
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna keep keep going. And you know, they've got
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  Speaker 4: a good staff there, assistant coaches for for Ryan Craig
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  Speaker 4: to to work with. So but but watch out for
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  Speaker 4: Pavel dorifia because boy, it shuld be interesting if somebody
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  Speaker 4: gave him an offer sheet.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about it and then we never see it.
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  Speaker 4: But Saint Louis did it to Edmonton a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years ago got Dyn Holloway and Philip Broberg. See if
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  Speaker 4: anybody does it to pob eldor Fiaf, because that'd be uh,
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  Speaker 4: that'd be a wrinkle there.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations to all you Utah Mammoth fans because the Utah
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  Speaker 1: Mammoth were in the playoffs this year. The television ratings
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  Speaker 1: for the Stanley Cup playoffs were up sixty eight percent
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  Speaker 1: over last year. And I'm gonna say that's because Utah
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  Speaker 1: was in it and all the Utah viewers watching it.
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  Speaker 1: This is the best American ratings that the NHL playoffs
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  Speaker 1: have ever gotten. This is is great news for the league.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you. Oh see just an example of that.
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  Speaker 4: My family was up at our cabin over the weekend
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  Speaker 4: and the two boys from next door come over ten
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  Speaker 4: and seven, okay, and start talking about hockey and we're
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  Speaker 4: like real. He's like, yeah, we want Vegas. And we
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  Speaker 4: talked hockey for for ten minutes and had never broached
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  Speaker 4: any kind of sport, uh with with our our two
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  Speaker 4: friends from next door. Like it's it's caught on, you know, Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about the Mammoth.
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  Speaker 4: Hear that that we've seen but I think Utah kept
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  Speaker 4: kept watching and and I'm excited to see how they
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  Speaker 4: break down by market because it's always it's always interesting
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  Speaker 4: to look out right, like Buffalo, New York's always number one.
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  Speaker 4: Usually Boston's up there. But I think Salt Lake, I
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  Speaker 4: think Salt Lake can can can be there too, because
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  Speaker 4: just by you know, talking to two neighbors like that,
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  Speaker 4: we're like holy cow. And and it's not because you know,
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  Speaker 4: our family is a huge Orts fan. My dad says,
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  Speaker 4: did you know Adrian works for a mammoth? Like no way,
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  Speaker 4: really and like it wasn't because we spread the word,
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  Speaker 4: which which is how it usually happens.
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  Speaker 2: Just happened to happen.
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  Speaker 4: A family from Spanish fork watching the NHL Playoffs and
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  Speaker 4: knowing everything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty cool, good news.
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  Speaker 1: The highest rated Stanley Cup final in the last eight years,
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  Speaker 1: and the playoffs as a whole the best ratings domestically
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  Speaker 1: the best American ratings that the NHL has ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: To put it in perspective versus the NBA Finals. Though
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  Speaker 1: the NBA Finals peaked at what thirty three million viewers,
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  Speaker 1: the NHL Final peaked at eight million viewers, so still
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  Speaker 1: a lot of room to make up a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ground to cover when it comes to that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: good news for the league and obviously by extension, good
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  Speaker 1: news for us here because we've got a team now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you hear college football people talking about fans like,
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  Speaker 4: why are you rooting for revenue? Why are you bragging
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  Speaker 4: about you know, your nil budget, your TV ratings, But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we're rooting for TV ratings around here. I'm excited, excited
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  Speaker 4: to see it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Well, love having you in here for between the pipes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Next week we'll be talking about an upcoming NHL draft,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer free agency on the horizon as well.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: You already mentioned some of the machinations that could happen there.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Love having you here for between the pipes. Thanks for
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: coming in again.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what happens.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: We've seen a couple of trades in the NHL since
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the final ended, and you know the draft next Friday.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: You tak got jj Pitturka before the draft last year,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: right after the finals, So let's see, uh see what happens.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: We'll be back next Wednesday, forty eight hours from the draft.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, buddy.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Do you think anything happens between now next week.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: With no idea.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's the easy answers, no, because you know percentages.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: But I mean Bill's always always on the phone. It's
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: always talking. It's always he wakes up every morning. Oh see,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: he tells us and says to himself, how can I
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: make the hockey team better today? On June seventeenth, you
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: know he did that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That is Adrian Denny U tah Mammoth insider here on
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the Sean O'Connell Show.