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- Lucas: You're in the final stages of a deal. The buyer has agreed on a solution, the price is within range, but they keep hesitating. They ask for another reference call, another demo, another round of internal alignment. Sound familiar? Luna: Painfully familiar. It's like they're stuck in a loop. Lucas: Right. Most sales training says you need to create urgency, or uncover the real objection. But today's story is about a rep who took a different path. She asked the buyer to redefine what success looks like. Luna: Redefine success? How do you even do that mid-deal? Lucas: So this rep—let's call her Maya—was selling a workforce management platform to a mid-sized manufacturing company. The VP of Operations, let's call him Derek, had been evaluating for six months. He had a spreadsheet of thirty criteria: uptime, integrations, mobile app, reporting, training hours, you name it. Luna: Classic feature checklist. Did he rank them? Lucas: He did. But Maya noticed something during a call. Derek kept referring back to a criterion called 'real-time shift swapping'—it was ranked number seven. She asked him why that was important. He said it would 'reduce overtime costs.' She asked, 'By how much?' And he didn't have a number. Luna: So it was a guess. A hope. Lucas: Exactly. So Maya asked a bold question. She said, 'Derek, if we could take your list of thirty criteria and throw it away, and you could define success in just three outcomes—tangible, measurable outcomes—what would they be?' Luna: I love that. What did he say? Lucas: He paused for about fifteen seconds, then said, 'I want to reduce overtime by fifteen percent, cut scheduling time for managers by two hours a week, and reduce turnover among shift leads by ten percent.' Three things. Suddenly, the thirty criteria collapsed. Luna: And the deal moved forward? Lucas: It did. But here's the twist: Maya's product didn't directly address the third outcome—turnover. She could have fudged it, but instead she said, 'We don't have a direct feature for that. But we have a partner that does exit interviews. Would you like me to connect you?' Derek said yes. And he bought the core platform. Luna: So she shrunk the deal in the moment, but built trust and a pathway. Lucas: Exactly. The deal was smaller than the original upsell pitch, but it closed in three weeks instead of another six months. And within a year, Derek expanded to include the partner integration, plus two additional modules. Luna: I can see why this works. But is there a risk that the buyer's redefined success is too narrow? Like, what if they only care about cost reduction and ignore quality? Lucas: That's a real risk. But the rep's job isn't to accept the first three outcomes blindly. Maya asked follow-ups: 'If you cut overtime by fifteen percent, what happens to worker satisfaction? If scheduling time drops, does accuracy suffer?' She helped Derek refine his own thinking. Luna: So it's a co-discovery process, not just a permission slip. Lucas: Exactly. And that's where the real value lives. Because when a buyer articulates success in their own words, they own it. They're not just checking a box on someone else's RFP. Luna: You know, this reminds me of something I read about in negotiation theory—the idea of 'interests versus positions.' The thirty criteria were Derek's positions, but the three outcomes were his interests. Lucas: That's a perfect frame. The classic 'Getting to Yes' approach. And it works because it forces both sides to separate the what from the why. Luna: But let me push back a little. Doesn't this only work when the buyer has decision-making authority? If Derek had to go to a committee, wouldn't redefining success mid-stream get messy? Lucas: Great question. Maya's deal was with a VP who had P&L authority—he could sign up to $150,000 without board approval. But I've seen reps use this with committees too. They ask each stakeholder to write down their three outcomes privately, then the rep aggregates them and finds common themes. It actually speeds up alignment. Luna: Okay, so what's the one thing a listener should do tomorrow to try this? Lucas: In your next discovery call, after you've heard the buyer's wish list, say this: 'If you could only pick three measurable outcomes from this conversation, what would they be?' Then shut up and listen. Luna: Powerful. And I'd add: take notes on their exact words. Don't translate them into your product's language. Let their words stand. Lucas: Absolutely. And if you found that useful, honestly, if today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a small way to keep these conversations ad-free and focused on what works. Luna: Yeah, it really helps. No pressure, just if it's useful. Lucas: So back to Maya's story. There's another lesson here: timing. She asked the redefinition question when the deal was stuck. Not earlier, not later. If she'd asked it in the first meeting, Derek might have thought she wasn't listening to his full list. If she'd asked after the contract was sent, it would seem like a last-minute pivot. Luna: So it's a diagnostic tool for stalled momentum. Lucas: Exactly. And it's also a way to test if the buyer is serious. If Derek couldn't name three outcomes, Maya would have known he wasn't ready to buy. Luna: I want to talk about the opposite scenario. When shouldn't you use this? Lucas: Good point. Don't use it when the buyer's definition of success is already tightly defined by a regulatory mandate or a board-level directive. For example, if a bank has to reduce settlement time to comply with a new regulation, their success is fixed. Redefining it would be a waste of time. Luna: And I'd add: don't use it if you're selling a commodity. If your product is interchangeable with a competitor's, redefining success only highlights that you're all the same. Lucas: Right. This works best when you have a differentiated solution and the buyer is genuinely trying to figure out what will move the needle. It's a strategy for complex, high-consideration sales. Luna: So where does this leave us? Are we saying that every sales rep should throw away their demo scripts and just ask 'what three outcomes?' Lucas: Not at all. Scripts are useful for consistency. But the best reps know when to deviate. The question is a deviation, a deliberate one, to break a pattern. Use it sparingly. Luna: Fair. Let's wrap with a forward-looking thought. As AI tools start to automate more of the sales process, do you think this kind of human judgment—asking the buyer to reflect on their own assumptions—becomes more or less valuable? Lucas: More. Because a machine can analyze criteria, but it can't ask a buyer to question their own criteria. That takes empathy, timing, and courage. And those are the skills that will always close deals.