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Wife found impaled with 4-pronged corn rake. Hubby says accident. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I don't want your Oh hello, hello,
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  Speaker 1: but where are you at? I wonder what? I okay, so,
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  Speaker 1: what's what's going on? What my wife? What I s sitting?
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  Speaker 1: For sitting in the barn? Okay, not a responsion on dar? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: since your wife is in a barn, you said she's
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  Speaker 1: on the sign up? Do we talk horn for? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know? S. I don't know. I have out the
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  Speaker 1: door and turned my son over to Chuck Arter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who's yelling? Man? I'm on the rd. Okay, I'm gone. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to ambulance, going to the second um. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you're headed to Okay, what's the hospital? Are you? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: You're headed to the hospital and she's in your vehicle? Yeah? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Just a second here, How did a farmer's wife end
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  Speaker 1: up dead with a corn rake impaled in her back? Now?
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  Speaker 1: How could that be an accident? Well, we know it's
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  Speaker 1: not suicide. I mean that's physically impossible. But could it
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  Speaker 1: be an accident? I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were hearing just
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  Speaker 1: a tiny bit of that nine one one call. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to a little bit more. Let's see what
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  Speaker 1: clues we can glean. I'm gonna have another descentri get on. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask the posy pull over? I can, okay?
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  Speaker 1: How about you pull over? Current? What's your current location?
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  Speaker 1: We'll get a petted your way? Um, I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: you to positive you pull over? I can, okay? How
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  Speaker 1: about you are over, sir? What's your current what's your
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  Speaker 1: current location? We'll get an a heetted your way? Okay, okay?
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  Speaker 1: What what is your name, sir? And what and what
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  Speaker 1: are you driving? Wait? Chevy waul white Chevy trucks. I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel anything. I still don't understand how a woman,
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  Speaker 1: a farmer's wife can be impaled in the bat and
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  Speaker 1: it'd be an accident. With me, an all star panel
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  Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, with me doctor Kendall, Crown's medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: out of Travis County, Texas. That's Austin Karen Start, psychologist
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of Manhattan, Karenstart dot Com. James shell Nutt,
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  Speaker 1: major case detective SWAT officer out of Atlanta Metro retired.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer. Court TV anchor at
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. But first to Leavivipagecrime online dot
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  Speaker 1: com investigative reporter where you can read about this and
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  Speaker 1: all other breaking crime and justice news. Leave I page.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, explain to me the precise injuries this woman,
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  Speaker 1: Amy Mullis suffered. How do you get a corn rake
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  Speaker 1: in the back? Well, Nancy, she did have a corn
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  Speaker 1: rake in her and we know that the medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: that examined the body said that this was a homicide
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  Speaker 1: after examining her body. Well, that's interesting that you could
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  Speaker 1: know that from just looking at the injury on her back.
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  Speaker 1: Immortal injury, I might add, I'm talking about a thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine year old woman, a mother, a wife, with her
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  Speaker 1: life in front of her. At thirty nine, you're just
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  Speaker 1: getting started. You're starting to realize what all you did
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  Speaker 1: wrong in your twenties, and you're fixing it. Doctor Kendel Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: This is when we need you, medical examiner out of Austin,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. How can you just look at a back
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  Speaker 1: injury and tell it's a homicide? What you know? Typically
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  Speaker 1: many many barns, Most barns have an upper level. It
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  Speaker 1: could be storage, It could be anything. But if she
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  Speaker 1: fell from an upper level onto a corn rake, and
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  Speaker 1: you know those corn rakes are mean looking rakes. Jackie's
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  Speaker 1: holding one up for effect right now in the studio,
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  Speaker 1: and it looks pretty evil. It's got four tongs and
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  Speaker 1: they curl the backwards. Just imagine it coming up, curling
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  Speaker 1: backwards into a circle and then sharp tongs pointing upward.
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  Speaker 1: It looks pretty evil. So how could he just look
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  Speaker 1: at it? He or she look at that and say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's summicide. Well, the key thing is is from the
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  Speaker 1: autopsy report, it says there are six injuries, whereas the
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  Speaker 1: corn rake has four prongs, so that means there's at
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  Speaker 1: least two extra injuries on there beyond the number of
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  Speaker 1: prongs the corn raak has. So to get six injuries,
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  Speaker 1: she would have had to have fallen twice on it,
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  Speaker 1: or someone would have had to have done it to her. So,
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  Speaker 1: unless she's widely coyote, someone did it to her. Well,
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  Speaker 1: do all corn rakes have four prongs? Are there any
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  Speaker 1: corn rakes that have six prongs? Well, he got me there, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a proficiency expert on corn rakes.
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  Speaker 1: So my understanding was it was okay wildly shaking her head.
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  Speaker 1: No is Jackie, Jackie, how do you know there's not
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  Speaker 1: only rephrased, your honor? How do you know there's only
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  Speaker 1: four prongs? Always on a corn rake? Grew up on
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  Speaker 1: farm work. Two corn corn races have four prongs. There
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  Speaker 1: are other tools like lawn races that have more. The
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  Speaker 1: core rakes only have four. Okay, now see Ashley Wilcot,
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  Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer and court TV anchor at Ashley
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  Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Ashley, that's what you call an expert
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  Speaker 1: at witness. I'd have to and believe me II the
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  Speaker 1: Blue James Shelna. You probably remember since you were swat
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  Speaker 1: and homicide in Atlanta Metro Ashley, sometimes you just got
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  Speaker 1: to call somebody and put them on the stand to
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  Speaker 1: explain that kind of thing. Like right now, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: a jury would want to know, Well, how do I
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  Speaker 1: know it's not a six prong corn rak? I guess
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  Speaker 1: according to expert Jackie Howard, it has to have four prongs. Well, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: you can use an expert, but don't forget this. You
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  Speaker 1: know this occurs where they are farmers. This is farm land.
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  Speaker 1: So keep in mind a jury of your peers quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote is going to know probably a lot about farm
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  Speaker 1: tools as well. Okay, guys, we're talking about the death
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  Speaker 1: of a beautiful young mom. Amy mull is just thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine years old in her farm, on her farm, the
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  Speaker 1: family farm. Let's hear more than nine one one call
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  Speaker 1: life in the vehicle onwards colonsive, they're coming to Naida.
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  Speaker 1: I asked him to stop there. What about the angulance
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  Speaker 1: paget can you that Waysida, I've got an officer almost
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  Speaker 1: to where you're ask Okay, okay, okay, I'm okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: three okay. You hear someone saying Amy Amy Amy leavipage
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com invest he had a reporter who
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  Speaker 1: is that? That is Todd Mullins, that is saying that, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: So explain to me that the Todd Mullins is the husband. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he is the husband. He's forty three years old, and
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  Speaker 1: the victim in this case is Amy Mullins. She is
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  Speaker 1: thirty nine years old. Right, you're hearing the nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call. You hear the husband saying Amy, Amy Amy.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's a horrible moment. Karen Stark's psychologist joining
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  Speaker 1: me out of Manhattan. You find her at Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: dot com. I remember, I think the first time my
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  Speaker 1: dad had a heart attack and I could hear my mom.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing I heard, early early in the morning
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  Speaker 1: was her going mat mac mac and a slapping sound.
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  Speaker 1: She was trying to revive his heart. That's a terrible feeling,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I know, Nancy. I had the same thing
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  Speaker 1: with my dad, and I remember it Clearlymy Amy Amy,
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  Speaker 1: because he wants this operator to believe this person, to
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  Speaker 1: believe that he's really making an effort to revive I've
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  Speaker 1: heard that would be the normal thing to do. Even
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  Speaker 1: though he's saying that it seems like she's not alive,
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  Speaker 1: he keeps wanting to say Amy, Amy, and you like
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  Speaker 1: he's doing the best against to see if he can
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  Speaker 1: revive her. Well, Jackie Harward, I thought I had you
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  Speaker 1: stumped because I went on Google to look up corn
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  Speaker 1: rakes and I found one with about twelve prongs. Guess
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  Speaker 1: what it's a It's not a corn rake, it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a thatch rake. And it's Google's fault because he
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  Speaker 1: came up under corn rake. Miss uh know it all, okay,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to this. So what what happened that
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  Speaker 1: she's not just her breathing? Was crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get her out of the bar and the
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  Speaker 1: doors are your own? Responding? Was the fork of a factor?
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  Speaker 1: Has it invulmated? She was fired? We haven't over long time?
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  Speaker 1: You had was just like a pitchfork cool the moon
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  Speaker 1: dark corn fork. Right, it's like a sid water you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of got a curve war for gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fired by my cursing and so its issue bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: I can't go. I just when I had it, I
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  Speaker 1: just she was played down and hold the pitching out
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  Speaker 1: of her? Now? How old? How old? Show? Okay? She
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  Speaker 1: did not responding. Okay, okay, Now did you hear that
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Kendall Crown's medical examiner joining me out of Austin.
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  Speaker 1: That's Travis County, Texas, doctor Kendall Crowns. He said she
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  Speaker 1: was face down. Now I find that significant because if
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  Speaker 1: you fall from an upper level, wouldn't you If it's
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  Speaker 1: if you're impaled through your back, you could probably verbalize
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  Speaker 1: this better than I can. But if you fall onto
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  Speaker 1: it how could you get then face down if you
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  Speaker 1: fell onto it? Because he definitely says it was an accident. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is very odd that she's face down. I would
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  Speaker 1: think that if she fell onto it, she would remain
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  Speaker 1: on her back. But there's also always the possibility that
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  Speaker 1: she rolled, or if she fell from a height, that
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  Speaker 1: she fell onto it and bounced. But again that's very unlikely. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what did you just say she fell and bounced? If
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  Speaker 1: she fell from an upper level impaled on it and
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  Speaker 1: kind of bounced if you will, after she hit it,
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  Speaker 1: And I find that really hard to believe, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you are the medical examiner. Bounce with a
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  Speaker 1: corn breaking your back? There's always a possibility, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, as she will caught. We don't deal in possibilities.
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  Speaker 1: We deal in probabilities and reasonable doubt beyond you know,
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  Speaker 1: find the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to this asley. Do you feel comfortable doing PPR? I
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  Speaker 1: can try. I'll try anything, Okay, I guess flat on
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  Speaker 1: the are you hop to get her flat across the
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  Speaker 1: maybe the seat, but she's paring on the trun Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, when my post like foaming from the mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to get lay flat. She's you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, she's laying her son flat. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she got black. We're on the backs hoped to get on.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he can get on the floor of the truck
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  Speaker 1: and she can get shaved to lay her across the seat,
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  Speaker 1: so you can get her flat and we lay get
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  Speaker 1: her on the seat. First of all, to Leavi Page
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  Speaker 1: climb online dot Com investigative reporter, I don't recall you
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  Speaker 1: telling me that the sun was there. Tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the sun and as the mom actually lying in his lap,
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  Speaker 1: the sun was thirteen years old, Nancy. And he is
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  Speaker 1: the one that actually discovered his mother in the barn
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  Speaker 1: with the corn rake inside of her. And he called
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  Speaker 1: his dad and said, look what happened to mom. And
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  Speaker 1: they put her into his vehicle, his truck and went
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  Speaker 1: on the road. He called nine to one one. Then
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  Speaker 1: they pulled over and that's when he started doing chess
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  Speaker 1: compressions and then an ambulance actually came in met so
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  Speaker 1: I guess they took the rake out to get her
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  Speaker 1: into the car. Yes, he took the rake out because
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  Speaker 1: he said that he could not get her out of
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  Speaker 1: the barn with the rake still inside of her. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my stars. To doctor Kendall Crown's medical examiner Austin, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, what does it mean if foam is coming
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  Speaker 1: out of your mouth? Foam coming out of your mouth
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  Speaker 1: is usually from pulmonary edema or your lungs filling up
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  Speaker 1: with fluid with heart failure. We see that a lot
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  Speaker 1: in drug overdoses and drownings. It could be if it
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  Speaker 1: was bloody foam. It could be the fact that her
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  Speaker 1: lungs were compromised by the corn rake and she was
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  Speaker 1: hemorrhaging into her air and then it was coming out
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  Speaker 1: of her mouth. Guys, this is a part of the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call that I find very very intriguing. Listen, okay,
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  Speaker 1: keep doing the compressions until they can help you. Go over. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: keep going, you're doing for day, Keep going. Come on, repond,
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  Speaker 1: go on, come on, come on goal. Yeah, so there
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  Speaker 1: you Okay, what do you mean? That's fine? Do you
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  Speaker 1: want me to star anything? You want me to stand
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  Speaker 1: the line or I can't talk to them? Okay? All right,
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  Speaker 1: so very wet it? Okay, all right, guys, I hope
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  Speaker 1: you all have twenty twenty hearing because Karen starts psychologists
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  Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. I clearly heard him whisper horror as
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  Speaker 1: he's allegedly doing CPR. I heard that, and I was
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  Speaker 1: listening very carefully, and I heard it. I could not
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  Speaker 1: hear it, Nancy, because there was a lot of background noise.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to take you a word for it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen to it again. Listen very carefully. Keep doing
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  Speaker 1: the compressions until they can help you get over. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: keep going you're doing, keep going on? Come on own? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so there was you, sir? Okay, good? What do you
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  Speaker 1: mean that's tin? Do you want me to say anything
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  Speaker 1: you want me? Kay? I can't talk to them? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gay. I get it? Okay, all right, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Did am I the only one that herd that asked you? Willca?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear it? Yes? I think I did hear it.
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  Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell. And let me just suggest
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  Speaker 1: why why white thinking is not enough? James Shalnott, did
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  Speaker 1: you hear it? Okay? So I've got one person on board,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. Did you hear it? Yeah? I did? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Leavi page. Did you hear it? Yes, I've listened to
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  Speaker 1: that like ten times and I picked up on it. Okay, So,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, you're the naysayer on the jury Ashley will kind.
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  Speaker 1: I think I can turn Ashley because she says she
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  Speaker 1: thinks she heard it. I think I can turn her around.
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  Speaker 1: I totally heard it, and I'm not the only one.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Marie Hughes plain the partner. You're doing the
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  Speaker 1: chess compressions, and I'm just gonna have that you listen
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  Speaker 1: in between the chess compressions. Okay, John, did you just
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  Speaker 1: hear that whisper at the end of that? Yes? And
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  Speaker 1: what did you whisper? I couldn't hear it. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. No, John, did you just hear that
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  Speaker 1: whisper at the end of that? Yes? And what did
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  Speaker 1: you whisper? I couldn't hear it? Okay, I'm gonna play
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  Speaker 1: it again. Okay. So I'm not the only one, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not completely insane. So a guy, imagine this, hunched
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  Speaker 1: over your body as you're dying and your husband calls
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  Speaker 1: you a whore. Leavi Page Crime online dot Com investigator reporter,
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  Speaker 1: what brought that on? Well, Nancy. Tom Mullins was actually
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  Speaker 1: interviewed by investigators and he said that in twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 1: that his wife had cheated on him, and that in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, during the summer, he had suspected that she
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  Speaker 1: was having an affair after he had looked at his
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  Speaker 1: cell phone bill and had read where she was exchanging
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  Speaker 1: a lot of text messages with someone that worked on
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  Speaker 1: his farm. Wow, somebody that he worked with every day.
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  Speaker 1: To James shell Nutt, Atlanta Metcho, major case detective, retired
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  Speaker 1: SWAT officer and lawyer, when he started looking, he saw
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  Speaker 1: over a hundred text messages between the two of them
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  Speaker 1: and just a couple of weeks. Now that I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it raised his suspicion. James Shellnutt absolutely ragious suspicions. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it used to be that the personal fingerprint was the
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  Speaker 1: gold standard of evidence, and it's still is very important nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: more than anything in the society we live in. Your
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  Speaker 1: electronic footprints such as cell phone bills, internet searches, things
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  Speaker 1: that nature are critical to homicide. You know, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking for those of you that just joined us about
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  Speaker 1: the death of Amy Mollis, a thirty nine year old
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  Speaker 1: wife and mom. She was killed by being impaled on
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  Speaker 1: a corn rake in the family barn to doctor Kendall
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  Speaker 1: Crown's medical examiner Austin, Doctor Crowns, again, tell me why
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  Speaker 1: are you so convinced as his murder based on the
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  Speaker 1: injuries alone? Well, again, with the corn rake having four prongs,
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  Speaker 1: as we've established, there's six injuries, so that's two different strikes.
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  Speaker 1: And then among those six injuries, four go one direction
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  Speaker 1: and to go another direction. So it's two separate injuries,
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  Speaker 1: separated in time, so you can't fall on it, get up,
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  Speaker 1: take it out, and then fall on it again. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you'd have the worst luck ever if that was your
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  Speaker 1: life to leave my page, investiget a reporter or crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot com LEVI What if anything did her friends?
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  Speaker 1: Amy Mullis's friends have to say so when they were
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  Speaker 1: interviewed by law enforcement, they said that they had a
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  Speaker 1: nickname for her and it was pot Pot and that
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  Speaker 1: stood for Prisoner of Todd. They also said that she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get out of this marriage and that he
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  Speaker 1: could also make her disappear if he found out that
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  Speaker 1: she was having an affair. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friend at KAWWL this is Ashley Scott. According to court records,
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  Speaker 1: Todd Mullis, his wife, Amy, and their thirteen ye old
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  Speaker 1: son had been working on their family farm. Amy Mullis
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  Speaker 1: had apparently briefly left the shed they had been working
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  Speaker 1: in to grab a pet carrier. After noticing she had
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  Speaker 1: been gone for a while, Todd Mullis sent their son
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  Speaker 1: to check in on her. That is when their son
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  Speaker 1: had discovered that his mom had been impaled by a
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  Speaker 1: cornreak in her back. Her death was ruled as a
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  Speaker 1: homicide the following December. Mullis claims his wife had been
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  Speaker 1: experiencing spells due to a medication she was taking while
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  Speaker 1: recovering from surgery. He also suggests that she may have
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  Speaker 1: fallen into the cornwreak while working from a ladder. However,
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  Speaker 1: evidence from the autopsy report shows that Amy had suffered
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  Speaker 1: from six feel puncture wounds, even though the cornreak only
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  Speaker 1: had four prompts. According to a police investigation, Todd Mullis
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  Speaker 1: had recently learned that his wife had had multiple affairs
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  Speaker 1: throughout the course of their marriage. Wait a minute, Levine, page,
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  Speaker 1: you only told me about one affair. I told you
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  Speaker 1: about the other one that he had in twenty thirteen. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was the same person, two different ones. Okay,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: all right, I don't like that preachy, judgy tone in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: your voice. By the way, Levin Page not judging. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Nancy also wanted to mention that the medical examiner had
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: also discovered defensive wounds on her hands. She had cuts
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and bruises on her hands, and that's also what made
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: him charge this as made him determine that this was
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a homicide. But wait a minute, to doctor Kendall, Crown's
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: medical examiner Austin, she works on a farm. How do
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I know those are defensive wounds? Well, usually sensive wounds
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: are in certain locations like the back of four arms,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: back of hands, and even in front of hands, and
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  Speaker 1: in areas that you would wouldn't necessarily injure while you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: were working. Suck in their shapes. You can make the
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  Speaker 1: decision whether they're defensive or not, you know. James Shelnut
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta Metro Major Case retired. I recall prosecuting a
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  Speaker 1: millionaire from the murder of his wife and they're home
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: caught on fire. He was found by fire department and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the yard across the street lounging romanesque, and they talked
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to him for two or three minutes before he said, oh, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: my wife's in there. So they got her out. She
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was still alive but unconscious. She had bruises to her knees,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and I recall the medical examiner said that also could
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: be defensive wounds where you curl up in a ball
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  Speaker 1: when you're being beaten. James Shellnutt Absolutely, yeah, you would
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  Speaker 1: expect that, And you know that's part of the totality
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of certainly what you look at as an investigator. You know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you're going to do a couple of things, and just
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I want to put this in perspective as to what
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this situation looks like. When this guy gets to the hospital,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: hospital likely has a protocol where they're gonna call law enforcement.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: They're going to come out, Investigators going to come out,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and they're going to take the statement of Todd Mullis,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and then one of the investigators is going to take charges.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I hey, let's preserve this evidence. We have a lady
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: strut down the prime of her life. This is something
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we need to make sure is an accident or confirm
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: whether or not as a homicides. So you're going to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: preserve her body as evidence. You're gonna be getting a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: search points to do that, and you're gonna go out
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to the scene of where this happened, and you're gonna
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: look at a couple of things. You're gonna look at
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: what statements Todd Mullis made at the hospital. You're gonna
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: look at the crime scene. You're gonna try to discover
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and locate this corn fort to make sure that that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it's preserved, because you're gonna need people like what we've
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: got on a panel here at the medical examiners to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: look at that and match up the injuries. And you're
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: gonna look at motive if you're gonna look at electronic footprints,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so you know, in this case, looking at motive, you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: know three of the most common motives that are out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: there's you know, Nancy, your money, sex and revenge. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: this has got all three of you well put well
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: put now, I see why you're also a lawyer, you know.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Aside from the injuries themselves, there is also the issue
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  Speaker 1: of her feeling threatened during the marriage, for instance, according
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to her friends. And this is really hard to get
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  Speaker 1: into court, to get into evidence. If you want it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: in evidence because it's hearsay and there's really no way
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to corroborate it. You know, the hearsay rule has many,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: many exceptions around thirty for instance, I'm dying declaration. If
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: someone says something and at the moment they're dying, that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: can be allowed in. There are a lot of hearsay exceptions. This, however,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is most likely not going to be one, and it
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is that she felt that he would quote make her
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: disappear if he ever found out about the affair, as
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: she Wilcot judge and trial lawyer anchor at Court TV.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have you heard that? Oh exactly? And
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: guess what motive? Juries like to hear a motive behind
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: what's happened, and there it is, you know. To Karen Start,
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  Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen Start dot com joining SUDA Manhattan, Karen,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: there have been so many times I've had a domestic
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: homicide and the woman's almost always a female victim, although
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: there are male victims of domestic homicide very few and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: far between, but so often I would say, well over
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time, the victim has told somebody, family, neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: friend's sister. You know, if anything ever happens to me,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he did it, or they've had an emergency key somewhere
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to get into somebody else's home. The case I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier, the victim Pat had given her best friend,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: both of them were piano teachers a key. The best
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: friend had given Pat a key so Pat could get
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  Speaker 1: into her home if there was an emergency with her husband.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: She was that afraid of him. Same thing here, Karen Stark,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And typically that evidence does not come into court. But
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  Speaker 1: I find it very very significant, Karen. I agree with you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. We're really close. I haven't
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: heard you say anything like that. I don't say anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. It really is the woman understands that she's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in this situation that's very frightening, and unfortunately doesn't feel
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like she has the power to leave. She's being that controlled,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: she feels that dependent on the person. But indistinctively she
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: knows something is really wrong. Maybe she's being beaten behind
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the scenes or threatened, and is letting somebody know if
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it ever happened. He didn't Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You know, why is it that people have to go online?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Has nobody ever listened to crime stories before, don't they know?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Didn't anybody watch the top Mom trial Casey Anthony where
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: she did searches for how to create homemade chloroform? Anyway,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: isn't it true to leave my page that there were
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: some damning searches on his iPad? Yes? And this iPad
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: was linked to his Gmail account, and the searches were
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: killing unfaithful women. And the other search was what happened
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to cheating spouses in historic Aztec tribes? Okay, you know what,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: he is a nut and unfortunately going to go to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: ask you Wilcot on that, then to our bona fide shrink,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, ask you Wilcott. Did he just say what
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: happened to cheating women in Aztec culture? Yeah? He sure did.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So Listen. You know again, when you have somebody who's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: performing those kinds of searches on their computer, there's no
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: such thing as quinctance in my mind when it comes
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to criminal crimes. So is it coincidental that, oh, he
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: happened to be looking this up innocently? No? I don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: believe that it is. The Internet history included searches on
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: infidelity historic punishment for cheating spouses. I ate the Aztec
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: culture a weirdo. Okay. Not only that, Not only that,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: he researched the placement of organs in the body. Okay,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to doctor Kendall Crowns, that's bad. That always is when
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they're talking about doing something to organs, trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out where the organs are ad in the body and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: what's the significance of that, doctor Crowns, Well, you're trying
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to figure out where what's the best area to hit
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to kill the person the easiest. So you know, of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: course chest is always going to be your number one
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  Speaker 1: go too. You know, the only time I've looked at
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: where are organs in the body is when John David's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: stomach was hurting. I thought maybe he had appendicitist. He didn't.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: His search history started wait bat years before it goes
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: up to four days before Amy is murdered. Topics like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: quote was killing more accepted centuries ago? Quote, characteristics of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: cheating women? Quote? Did ancient US kill adulterers? As Levi
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Pace pointed out, the thrill of the kill and once
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you hunt man, you will always feel the thirst or
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I would want to divorce right there if I heard
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  Speaker 1: all of that. Not only that, he also looked at
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: designing wedding rings and bridle shops. That's a complete dichotomy
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that doesn't even make sense to kire and start. What
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: do you make of his Google searches? Well, Nancy, he
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: obviously was thinking that he was going to be justified
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in killing her because the way that I'm trying to
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: imagine his mind was working, he felt like an ancient
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: times maybe you know, he would have been entitled to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: kill her in some fashion because she was unfaithful. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: if you take a look at everything that he's been
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: searching for, it's very clear that something is going to happen.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Then he's going to also tell himself that he's justified
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that she deserves to have this happen because she's a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: cheating spout. To James shell Nutt lawyer Atlanta Metch, a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: major case detective swat officer retires, James, how do you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: go about calling that evidence out of an iPad in
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: this case? Well, first of all, there's gonna be a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: forensic dump of all the data in this case. You know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you're going to have your specialists take a look, download everything,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: search this computer. They're going to go back and issue
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: subpoenas to internet providers. They're going to go back and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: take a look at all the electronic footprints out there,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and they're going to confiscate that. There's programs that you
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: can run this data through the look for certain key identifiers.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: To mind the data is what it's called, and those
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: are the common ways that you're going to get that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: data out. And a very lengthy criminal complaint. Cops laid
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: out a case against Todd Mullus, witnesses describing him as
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: controlling and jealous. Now, how does controlling play into this
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: care and start you're the psychologist. Controlling is Nancy very
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: clearly somebody who was paranoid, who constantly thinks that something
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: is going on. And absolutely I'm thinking in this case
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that the more he was trying to control her, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: more that she was being subtly behind his back, trying
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to be with other people looking for ways that we're
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: indirect to give herself some freedom, unfortunately not leaving. But
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: this was a very insecure man who could not let
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: her be. The medical examiner there in the jurisdiction noted
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the corn Right I only had four times, as Jackie
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Howard has pointed out, our expert, but that her body
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: had six punc true wounds from different angles. That's the kicker.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: To doctor Kendall, Crown's medical examiner Austin, what would she
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have gone through in death? So what would have happened
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: is the times would have punctured through her skin through
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  Speaker 1: a muscular chure into her organs depending on what's hit.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: She wouldn't have died instantly, She would have hemorrhaged internally.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Would have taken several minutes for her to bleed out
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: as she's laying there with the corn raake stuck in
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: her body. So you would have had the pain of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: bad and then the slow lingering death from exanguination or
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: bleeding out. And you know that must be a horrible,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: horrible death. And you see your husband over you calling
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you a whore at the time your life is draining
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: out of your body. We've been talking about an alleged
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: sex relationship on her part, Amy's part, but I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it was a lot more than that, because a warning
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to Amy Mullis's stepmother, Todd Mullis, the husband said quote
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: he wasn't going to lose the farm over this. Amy
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Mullis allegedly telling her friend she get two million dollars
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and half the farm? Is she were to leave? Todd Mullis,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: James shell Nutt you said the motives for murder were,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: let's see sex revenge. Did you say money, money, sex revenge.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I mean you see it over and over, Nancy, as
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you have when you prosecuted those cases. I mean two
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: million dollars and half the farm. It was all about
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the farm? Is that ringing a bell? Asked Wilcott. Remember
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: other cases where husbands didn't want to lose half of everything,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: such as Chris Watts, such as in the Kelsey Barreth case.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: They weren't married, but they had a child together. He
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: was a farmer. If they broke up, she could go
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: after him from money and child support. I mean, it's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a common theme, Ashley. I will never understand it why
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: individuals resort to these types of heinous murder crime activities
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: instead of just dealing with it and losing half of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: whatever it is and go through a normal divorce. But
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: this is one of the motives that we see again
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and again, and not just by men and relationships, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: also by women. You know, to you here and start psychologists,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: how many times have we said why not just get
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a divorce. Well, because it takes a certain personality, Nancy,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: because we do say that. But in these cases, you're
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: talking about people who will not have a problem killing
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: somebody else. They're psychopaths, right. So look at the way
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: he killed her, and she, as we were just told,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: did not die instantly. Here's a man who was enjoying
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: making this woman suffer. He was getting a kick out
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: of what he was doing, and that is not your
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: average First in the end LEAVI page, the case goes
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to trial. What was the defense? The defense, Nancy actually changed.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: He accidentally failed because she had had outpatient surgery recently,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: was on medication and was dizzy. However, the defense, when
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: presented with the medical examiner report that this was a homicide,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that there was defensive wounds, that there were several puncture wounds,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the defense said that someone else that worked on the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: farm did this. Well, I understand that Tristan, the little son,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the thirteen year old boy, took the stand. What was
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: his testimony. He testified about discovering his mother's body and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the anxiety that that put him through. Nancy and the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: prosecution in their opening statements, they were very powerful. She
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: hit home the fact that he knew that his wife
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was in there with the rake in her, and that
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: he sent his teenage son in there to find her
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: knowing that she had a rake in there. And she
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: talked about how evil it is to send your own
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: son in there to discover his mother with a rake
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: in her, and such a horrific scene. In the end,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: husband Todd mullis convicted, as she wilcot, what's the possible sentence?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: All right? So first degree murder is the charge that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: he faces, and the possible sentence in this case his
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: life without parole. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,