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The Faces Behind Luffy: The Pillars Who Shaped the Future King of the Pirates · Systematic Geekology

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If you're going to fantasize about how much better your future could be, then go ahead and make it a reality.
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That's a quote from possibly the greatest manga of all time, One Piece.
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Today we are doing another episode of the Faces Behind Us, looking specifically at the One Piece manga, the Faces behind Luffy, the faces behind the straw Hats, how Luffy is an inspiration to others.
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We're talking about Ace, Sabo, Koby, Garp, Monkey, D Dragon.
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It's gonna be a long one, probably.
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It's gonna be a lot of fun.
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That's what it's gonna be.
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I am one of your hosts, Joshua Noel, here with two of the greatest co hosts ever.
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I'm gonna introduce Liz first, because me and her are probably both gonna be relying on our other co host to know a lot.
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So, Liz, welcome back.
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I think it's.
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It's been a minute.
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Yeah, baby.
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Zuko's now in the picture.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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The first one speaking, the Faces Behind.
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He's now the new inspiration for the podcast.
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We're changing the logo to just a picture of him.
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Also, his name isn't Zuko, but for me, it is just so the listeners know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But we're also here with the one who created podcast many, many years ago, the creator of One Piece.
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What's his name?
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TJ Blackwell.
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Yeah.
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He got together with tj and when he created Podcast is also when One Piece came into being.
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It actually wasn't created.
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It just formed magically.
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Yeah.
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So, tj, welcome to your own show.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Yeah.
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Ichiro Oda and I go way back.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's actually just one of your alternative names.
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He has a few.
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Yeah.
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When I.
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When I finally discover that one of his other name.
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When one of TJ's other names is.
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I try to remember how to say it.
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Tetsuo Nomura.
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I give up.
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I quit at that point.
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Yeah, it's coming.
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But until then, we are excited to do another episode of Faces behind it with you guys.
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Before we do, we do like to shout out what we've been geeking out on recently.
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I don't know if this is coming out before or after theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City, Missouri.
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But if it's before, controlling tickets, if it's after.
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Wait a minute.
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Those episodes will release that we recorded live there.
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And in preparation for a panel I'm doing.
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Because I'm a crazy person, I always go, like, way too far to prepare.
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I'm just playing all of Bioshock and also reading a Full novel that I think TJ and I are going to do an all Reading Counts episode about.
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So I'm hardcore geeking out on Bioshock because I had a kidney stone and I had time for it.
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Great games.
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Great games.
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Yeah, I wish I had a kidney stone.
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What have you been geeking out?
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How to form kidney stone if you just drink a lot of monster.
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You know, the best news is this is.
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This is for a Drinks for Tejas episode later on.
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The bad news is I have to drink less caffeine, more water.
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Good news is citrus helps.
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Doctor said if I drink more orange juice, it'll help a lot.
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I have no problem with that.
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The good news is that the doctor can't actually make you do that.
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Yeah, but I'll take an excuse to drink more orange juice.
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What have you been geeking out?
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Nothing.
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I've been working.
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He's been geeking out on getting ready for hockey and also Disney World.
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Actually, I don't know if you're going to Disney World.
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Orlando starts today.
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We are very much not going to Disney World.
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Yeah, we're going to Epic Universe, and we're going to Islands and Universe.
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He's gonna go to Disney World with me next year, though.
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We just haven't planned it at all, but it's fine.
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Liz, what have you been geeking out on?
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Well, besides my son.
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I have been watching, though I am an inept villainess.
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I think it's a Chinese anime.
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And Zuko has been.
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Oh, that's true.
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No, I have.
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I've been reading a manga called Destroy All Humans.
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They cannot be regenerated.
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You know, weirdly enough, I've heard of that.
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It's a.
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It's a Magic the Gathering rom com.
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I think I've heard of it from Mark Flower, of all people.
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It's pretty good.
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Yeah, Zuko's also, I assume, geeking out on the Last Airbender, as he should.
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I still haven't seen that movie.
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Well, we've been watching one piece together, like the og.
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As long as he doesn't start thinking that he's Zorro, because that's tj.
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But for you guys listening, if you like our random banter and ramblings, rate and review our show, wherever you get your podcast, it helps people notice the show.
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It does something with algorithms so that people think our show matters, which helps us get the word out to more people, which maybe eventually will lead to us being able to do more podcasts and less other things.
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Yeah, which also helps when we have financial supporters.
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So we're going to shout out one of our financial supporters today, Jonathan Augustin Urocman.
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Really excited to see him actually at Theology Beer Camp.
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So I'm really sad to not see him.
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I'm sorry.
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I mean not because you don't want to see him, but you're just excited.
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Yeah, I'm sad that I don't get to because I did last year in school.
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One year DJ and I will both attend and it'll probably be the last beer camp.
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And I'm sorry, Tripp.
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I think it'll just put an end to it somehow.
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It'll be our fault.
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But guys, remember, if you want your own shout out like Jonathan, you can become an official member of Systematic Ecology by going to our website.
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You can get other merch and get bonus episodes.
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You can get just free extra content just cuz definitely worth your time.
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You can leave a one time tip.
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So it's like super comfortable.
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You just, you know, don't you shout on it?
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That does ruin a comfort color shirt for those wondering, but totally worth it.
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Fun design, good color, really comfortable.
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Helps the show a whole lot.
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If you want to see more of the Faces Behind Us series, you can check out our entire annual theme.
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There's a link in the show description for that as well.
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A lot of links down there, a lot of ways to follow us, to just be a part of all the geeky goodness.
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So, you know, we do this for community and we hope you consider joining us in more than one way, more than just listening, you know.
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Yeah.
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But for now, it's time to jump into today's episode where we're going to be talking One Piece.
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So throw it to Liz.
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She seems knowledgeable.
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If no one's ever somehow never seen One Piece, what is One Piece?
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And why did we think this was a good fit for the Face of the Pine Dust series?
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Well, One Piece is about a pirate named Luffy who, I mean really on paper, he's not what is your typical pirate and he just loves going on adventures and eating meat and finds a lot of other misfits that
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have big dreams and they're like, we're all going to do our big dreams together and be pirates.
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Even though we're going to do so much good and not bad and fight the military.
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So that's pretty much it in a nutshell.
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And, I mean, the faces behind us, I mean, as I just said, he's not your typical pirate.
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He's kind of a goofball, and so, like an onion, they all have layers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's also.
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It's a really good choice for the Faces behind us because of its longevity.
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Most of anything, most things, most intellectual properties have not had this same kind of length of life.
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So it's kind of easy to see the faces behind the characters because we literally have seen them, you know, 30 years ago.
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It just makes it pretty simple.
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We don't have to go to outside sources, be like, well, this is the character that inspired whoever.
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You know, it's not like reading literature.
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It's like, oh, well, this is clearly inspired by Ishmael from Moby Dick.
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Yeah, that's in one piece, too, but that's not necessary in this case.
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Yeah, yeah, two.
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I think it helps that, like, I think it would help everybody if they would stop and listen to an episode of the Whole Church podcast TJ and I did with.
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I can't remember the guy's name who wrote a book about radical theology in pirates.
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And a lot of that explores how piracy comes up because certain forms of capitalism or governance actually fail us.
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And then it's like, what is the Christian response to that?
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So it was a fun episode.
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I'll try to link that below with the name of the guy who wrote that book, because it's escaping me at the moment, but really good read.
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I think it was a good episode of that podcast that we did.
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And I think it shows what happens in one piece because it starts off with just this kid who's like, I'm gonna be King of the Pirates, because that sounds cool.
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And he's like, yeah, I want a big treasure.
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And you're like, I think you're just a treasure hunter, dude.
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And you go on, and you see how the government continuously is failing people.
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And the people he's recruiting are like, heck, yeah, let's stand up against the government, which is an act of piracy.
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They're stealing from the government, but the government's corrupt.
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So it's kind of pretty thickly nuanced, especially because some of the Marines, some of the government, aren't all bad.
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So it's like.
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And you know what?
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That's real life.
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A lot of the times, you know, it's.
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It would be convenient to me to be anti government because Donald Trump is evil.
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But there are a lot of people in the government who are doing good, a lot more good than me being on the Internet, rambling about how one person is bad.
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So it's kind of like, pick your poison.
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Luffy happens to be powerful enough that he can just straight up stand up to people, so it's a little bit easier for him.
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Yeah, he could actually be doing much more.
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He could.
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He could just be killing people.
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He could be killing a lot of the people in power probably at this.
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Point, even to an extent.
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But he won't because that's.
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That's not in his character.
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He's not a utilitarian Christian.
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Ashley.
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Anyway, I just like to pick on Christian.
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I don't know why.
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I mean, I do know why.
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It's fun.
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But he's not here, so I'll move on.
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I want to talk some about over our personal experiences with this ip.
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It's easy for two thirds of this because Liz is kind of why I'm into it.
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A mutual friend of ours got into it because of her, and then he watched it.
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And I don't do anime, but he's like, you have to watch it because you're the main character.
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And I was iffy because it's anime.
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And I didn't really want to get into anime because when I was younger, it wasn't as cool as it is now, I feel like.
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And also, I just spent all my time playing the same video games over and over.
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I'm still mad it's popular.
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Like, I had to be a nerd growing up, and now being a nerd is cool.
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Yeah.
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But, yeah, by the time I was growing up, it was like, it was pretty normal, but it wasn't popular.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I got into it because, like, Luffy was punching someone for doing backstories, and I'm like, heck, yeah.
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Let's just get to the beat of it.
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Which is funny because now they don't do that as much.
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But, like, I got to do it as that because he wants meat and he's just playful and fun.
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And then as you get into it, I feel like the more emotional strokes really pulled me along.
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You see how everything happened on Drum Drum island with Chopper, and then I see Luffy and Chopper's friendship, and then I've been hooked since.
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I think that was really the moment where I was like, this is top peak fandom for me.
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But yeah.
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Liz, did you want to shout out how you first got into it?
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I just watched any and all anime, and I think I Saw it airing on.
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Gosh.
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I don't know which platform it aired off of, but I think it was like on a Saturday morning or something.
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That was it.
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Four Kids.
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That's it.
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Four Kids.
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Where Sanji had a lollipop instead of a cigarette, which is still correct.
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All right.
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Yep.
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And the guns were like hammers.
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The guns were like code name Kids Next door doohickeys.
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Gosh.
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I just.
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I just know when I.
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When the Internet became more attainable and I was able to binge it from first episode to now is what a treat for the kids today.
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They don't know the week by week.
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My first year of college largely was catching up on this and Supernatural, because Supernatural is on season five.
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And I just got introduced to it from.
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Who's now my best friend, who was just some guy who moved me into my room at college at the point at that time.
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But TJ, how old is this anime now?
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20.
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27?
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Yeah.
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So as old as I am, I was.
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It's not as old as I am.
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You're 27, y'.
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All.
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TJ's still much younger.
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In my mind, I'm still like, TJ just turned 21.
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Think about TJ.
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He's had many faces growing up.
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So of course this anime would too.
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With even more characters.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of.
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It's wild.
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Speaking of.
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I want to go ahead and get to the main characters.
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We want to focus on today.
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So we're going to be talking a lot about Garp, Kind of like a dad to Luffy.
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I mean, is a dad to Luffy, but not his biological dad, Monkey D Dragon, his biological dad, Ace and Sabo, Luffy's brothers.
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And we'll talk about the Straw Hat Pirates, how the other pirates in Luffy's crew are actually inspired by Luffy.
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And then we'll talk some about Koby, how Luffy and Koby are kind of like a iron serpent's iron, I think.
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Yeah.
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So we have a lot to go through.
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Hard to get through them all.
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But we'll.
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We'll do our best to keep it punctual, you know?
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Yeah.
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We'll let TJ talk a lot.
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That's what we're trying to say.
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Yeah.
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So with that, first up is Garp, father figure to Luffy, who I feel like was treated pretty differently in the live action version.
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But I think necessarily so.
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And it was pretty cool.
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But anyway, tj, who's Garp?
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Garp is not an admiral.
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What was his peak rank was Vice Admiral.
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Vice Admiral.
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He peaked at Vice Admiral.
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He's a Marine.
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Strong, legendarily powerful Marine in the ethos of One Piece.
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He's the marine that fought Gold Roger to a standstill.
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Whatever.
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Super powerful guy.
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And he is Luffy's brother's dad.
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Granddad.
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Biologically.
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Yeah.
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And that kind of, you know.
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Luffy being in the situation he was in where his father wasn't really present and his mother doesn't exist.
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Has Oda ever said anything about Luffy's mom?
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It's Crocodile.
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Just that we've seen her, but we don't know who she is.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It's Crocodile.
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It's Crocodile.
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We're fully on board the Trans Crocodile Train.
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Listen, I.
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I like when a fandom rage.
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Baits its fans.
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You know.
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I'm hoping that's what it's pretty.
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It's.
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It's such a.
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It's a pretty funny theory.
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Yeah, it's pretty.
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And it'd be so funny.
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Listen, with everything that Cross guilds happen, I'm not putting anything off the table at this point.
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Buggy's gonna find the One Piece Crocodile is Luffy's dad.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Mom.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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So Garp just kind of was there for Luffy when he needed a father figure.
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He was never super present because he was super busy fighting, you know, being a marine in the golden age of piracy.
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But that is the role he served.
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And as Ace's father, like the real pirate's dad.
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He was there.
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He was there for him.
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And he was there when Ace died.
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Yeah.
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Which I think is a big moment for trying to see who Luffy is.
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Just because you see how Garp wasn't going to be the one to executed Ace.
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But he understood his duty.
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He wasn't going to break his duty either.
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So he was kind of complacent.
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I consider that a fault.
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But I think that shows how he stands to his morals.
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Strong, steadfast.
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And Luffy has the same thing.
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Just without the Marine code.
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You know, he's not like, oh, I have to follow this hierarchy.
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But Luffy still, throughout all of the show.
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If it comes to being with his friends or not.
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Doesn't matter if it makes sense.
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Luffy is going to stand by his friends.
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That is his code.
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Yep.
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And Garp is still someone Monkey looks.
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Monkey.
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Luffy looks up to hell.
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Yeah.
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Like when they.
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When Garp was introduced to us, he was like Old Man Garp.
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What's he doing here?
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Yeah.
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He loves Garp.
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Even though they're like.
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It'd be.
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They definitely love each other.
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But they're Complete opposite sides of this conflict.
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Yeah.
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Liz, anything to add about Garp or Garp and Luffy's relationship?
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I mean, he's his granddad.
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Y' all keep on saying a father figure.
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That's pretty much.
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I mean, is he the father of Dragon?
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No, I don't think he's biologically related to Luffy.
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He's not biologically.
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Okay.
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I always just took Sabo or Ace's granddad, one of the two.
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I don't remember.
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Yes, we saw those, Granddad, because we know who Ace's father is.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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True.
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Yeah.
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So Sabo's grandma.
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That sounds right.
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I always took it at base face value.
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I mean.
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But yeah, you're right.
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He raised them, so.
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And then, you know, you have his faces as the Vice Admiral, but then, you know Garp as, like, you know, his own man.
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And then Luffy's father figure.
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He's pretty fun.
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I like him.
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Yeah, I love Garp.
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I actually really loved him in the live action.
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I think they did really well, even though they changed some of the orders of When Things Happen.
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It was really cool seeing him in that season one.
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It was awesome.
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Yeah, they did.
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But no, Garb is.
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Garp is Luffy's.
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Garp is Luffy's grandpa.
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Oh, he is.
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Luffy's dad is Dragon.
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's right.
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So he's.
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He's Monkey D Dragon.
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Roger is Ace's dad.
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So.
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Yeah.
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So he's biological.
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That's.
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So.
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Speaking of Monkey D Dragon, I was just gonna say you can see a lot of Luffy's personality in Garp, too.
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Like, as you watch the show.
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Yeah.
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Because Garp isn't just like, I stand by the rules.
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Grr.
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He laughs like, he has a fun time out there.
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He's enjoying himself.
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No, he has a great time.
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And when it's time to, you know, put the pedal to the metal, he rolls his sleeves up.
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He's like, I'm just gonna go over there and get this done.
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I'll just punch a crater into the earth.
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No big deal.
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Yeah, like when he.
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When he saves Kobe.
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So cool.
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Oh, wait.
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Actually, that event at Marineford influenced Garp because he was not gonna let that happen a second time.
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Like, he watched, you know, he watched Ace die and watched what that put Luffy through.
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He's like, I'm not letting that happen again.
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I'm going to save Kobe.
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Yeah.
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And he did it.
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It's great.
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So he is also the dad to Luffy's dad.
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His grandpa, Monkey D Dragon, Luffy's dad, who didn't go pirate, isn't Marines.
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He is just straight up a leading.
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I don't want to say terrorist group, but anti government revolutionary army.
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Revolutionary.
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I think it.
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It is exactly what it is.
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Yeah.
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That name is pretty straightforward.
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I guess it is.
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Which.
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He's kind of in the shadows.
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You don't know a lot about him till you get good way into the show.
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But tj, who's Monkey D Dragon, we.
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Still don't know a lot about him.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you didn't even see him until like halfway.
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Not even halfway through the show.
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I don't know.
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You didn't see him at all for a very long time.
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Hundreds of episodes, I think Longtown, but.
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And even then, it wasn't, hey, here's Dragon.
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It was just.
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It was just a random person who helped them escape.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So who is he?
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He's Luffy's dad.
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I don't think he belongs in this episode.
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Why?
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I don't.
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I don't think he influences Luffy at all.
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Because he's.
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Or anyone else really.
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He's worse of a father than Goku.
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I think his absence influences Luffy a lot.
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And I feel like Luffy knew that his dad was against the government.
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So I feel like it probably does influence him.
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It definitely influences Sabo.
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Yeah.
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I mean, but not Luffy.
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Yeah, but like.
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Or any other straw hat.
21:18
Sabo's not a straw hat.
21:20
So who's Sabo?
21:22
Sabo is Luffy's other brother.
21:24
So we got Ace, Sabo, Luffy growing up together.
21:27
Ace and Luffy are biological brother.
21:29
Sabo isn't.
21:30
What else do they need to know?
21:32
I mean, they're just kind of raised this way with each other as friends.
21:37
They're not.
21:38
I don't think any of them are biologically related.
21:40
Yeah, it was like Ace and Luffy are not biological.
21:42
Because remember, I forget.
21:44
They just look alike.
21:46
Sabo doesn't look like the other two at all.
21:48
I mean, we don't know the mom.
21:49
What if they have the same mom?
21:50
We don't know the mom.
21:51
She could have gotten her.
21:52
They could have the same mom.
21:53
Yeah.
21:53
Crocodile is also Ace's mom, correct?
21:55
Yep.
21:56
What a man.
21:57
What a gene pool.
21:59
Gold Roger and Crocodile.
22:01
God, that's Pedigree.
22:03
Ace was so cool.
22:04
But anyway, yeah.
22:06
Ace and Sabo.
22:06
Though I feel like throughout the show, Luffy continues to be influenced by them.
22:11
Obviously, Ace's death completely changed everyone in the straw hats.
22:16
And finding out Sabo was alive shortly after also, pretty big game changer.
22:22
Liz, you want to speak some to how does their death presence, etc.
22:27
Really influence Luffy and the rest of the Straw Hats in their journey?
22:29
Yeah, I mean, when Ace was first introduced as Luffy's older brother, you could tell he was definitely someone that Luffy also looks up to.
22:37
Portrayed that cool older brother vibe.
22:39
Like, I've already started doing this and you know, who knows?
22:44
Luffy could have.
22:45
Well, we know how Luffy was influenced, but also, you know, I'm sure Ace influenced his desire to become a pirate as well.
22:53
Ace was with the Whitebeard's pirates and so just kind of that bond like this was I would even say Luffy's first big nakame bond.
23:02
You know, even though it was brothers.
23:04
His familiar bonds where he's ride or die.
23:06
And Sabo, they didn't have much of a childhood with him because he like transitioned out.
23:11
So somewhere and then they thought he died.
23:13
So we actually didn't really learn a lot about Sabo, just that he was a childhood friend.
23:18
And then whenever they were doing in the toy Des Rosa, they were fighting for Aces Flame Flame fruit.
23:26
Because once you pass on, you know, your fruit regenerates.
23:30
That's when Sabo comes and we learned that he's alive.
23:33
So just the thought of like.
23:35
And has the fruit.
23:37
Yeah, he like straight up stole it.
23:39
Yep.
23:40
Nope.
23:41
No point fighting.
23:41
The fruit's mine.
23:42
Yeah.
23:43
Here I am.
23:43
And he literally carries on Ace's will.
23:46
Oh yeah.
23:46
It's good writing, right?
23:48
That arc may have been too long, but it's still good.
23:50
I'm very curious to see how Sabo ended up with Dragon like, as I think he's like second in command of the revolutionary.
23:58
But I'm sure that's another hundred episode backstory we'll get down the road.
24:03
Yeah, one day.
24:04
But I mean, like, there's so many.
24:06
Questions left to ask.
24:07
And there he said Oda was finally like, hey, guys, less than five years.
24:13
I don't know if I buy it.
24:14
We're gonna.
24:15
Guys, can we just think about the people who've been watching who may.
24:18
Who may have gotten into One Piece when they were like 40 and they died before knowing the One piece.
24:25
I think about that.
24:25
Listen, I've accepted a few things.
24:27
I've accepted that I might not live to see what the One Piece is.
24:30
I feel like I might though that one.
24:32
I have more high hopes for.
24:33
I have very low hopes that I'm gonna finish the Kingdom Hearts series before I die.
24:38
I just don't Think it's gonna finish in a lifetime.
24:41
And Star Wars.
24:42
It's definitely gonna outlive me 100%.
24:44
Yeah.
24:46
I mean, and Game of Thrones.
24:48
Are you guys.
24:49
Yeah, I don't care about Game of Thrones.
24:50
I made peace about the other one.
24:52
In relation to any of your, like, childhood friend at this age.
24:55
Because of course, siblings, like, you're gonna grow up with, but I'm not in touch with anyone.
25:00
Was a friend.
25:01
But at this age, because they're like,.
25:03
I am this age.
25:04
Yeah, we are.
25:05
We are our current age.
25:09
But I mean, just saying, like, the bonds are strong in the.
25:11
In these ones.
25:13
Yeah.
25:14
But no, I.
25:15
My.
25:16
One of my roommates I've known for like 19 years.
25:19
18 years.
25:21
So, yeah, I think TJ's my oldest friend.
25:24
I mean, I have friends probably.
25:26
Listen, I've known Christian and I have been friends.
25:30
Well, you and I have been friends along that.
25:31
But Chris and I have been friends since 2010, which is a long time now.
25:35
Josh, We've known each other over half our lives, if you think about it.
25:38
Yeah, that's weird.
25:39
But we haven't been like, super close half our lives.
25:42
Yeah.
25:42
TJ's probably the longest friendship that we're still pretty close anyway.
25:45
So.
25:46
Yeah, a Sabo, pretty big influences, not just on Luffy, but on the story as a whole.
25:50
Because we don't know what Sabo's doing with the revolutionary armory.
25:55
When Ace died, literally everybody in the globe that mattered showed up.
25:59
And it was pretty pivotal.
26:02
And then for Luffy specifically, realizing he wasn't powerful enough, coming back, realizing he had no brothers, find out one of his brothers actually was alive, and then got the fruit pass on of the abilities and everything from Ace
26:14
to his other brother.
26:15
And I feel like that was a pretty big closure moment for him.
26:18
But still leaving stuff out there.
26:19
Like, what's Sabo doing now?
26:21
There's just a lot of open threads there.
26:22
But I feel like that's where you get that word entanglement with Will.
26:25
Like, it's not just one person influencing the other.
26:27
Everybody's kind of being influenced in all kinds of ways here.
26:30
Yeah, that's what makes the series difficult and nuanced.
26:33
Yeah.
26:33
And cool.
26:35
But we have the straw hat pirates themselves.
26:37
So Luffy not only has his influences, he influences a lot of people just by his character, his will.
26:44
And I think, honestly, sometimes it's just because he's fun.
26:47
But tj, how would you say Luffy inspires others?
26:49
Because for those who haven't seen a lot, they might just see Luffy, he's really powerful.
26:53
And then sometimes we see he's eating a lot of food and making jokes, and he's a goofball, and how could he inspire others?
26:59
Luffy exerts his will on the world of One Piece so strongly and basically forces others to try and do the same.
27:10
He literally has to force Robin to live her life the way she wants to.
27:15
And that's a huge moment in.
27:17
Yes.
27:17
Lobby.
27:17
And we all know that, and that's a great part of the show.
27:20
But that's what Luffy does for all of the straw hats.
27:24
Except for, I guess, like, Zorro.
27:27
He just kind of picked up Zorro.
27:29
He was like, hey, man, you want to go hunt pirates and Marines with me?
27:33
He's like, sure, yeah, yeah.
27:35
I mean, it happens.
27:35
I feel like it happens a few different ways.
27:37
Sometimes he's just like, no, you need to live sometimes.
27:41
Truly, man, this is going to sound bad, but I think it's just honest.
27:45
Sometimes I think it's just for amusement's sake.
27:48
Like, Luffy just finds it so funny to have a reindeer doctor.
27:51
He's like, yeah, yeah, you're on my crew.
27:54
This is too entertaining not to happen.
27:55
Or Frankie, Truly, I think that Luffy just thought he was just so entertaining that he was like, yeah, this guy's coming with me.
28:03
Also, sometimes you just can't mind.
28:04
But that's his nakama.
28:06
Yeah.
28:06
He's like, just read the room.
28:10
Yeah.
28:10
But then there's stuff like, you know, Nami and then Chopper again.
28:12
Like, there's some ones where, like, people were just so enslaved.
28:16
What Luffy stands for is freedom.
28:18
And it goes annoyingly with the whole, you know, Jack Sparrow.
28:21
If you think Pirates of the Caribbean, the black flag stands, or Black Pearl stands for freedom.
28:26
And that's why, you know, I think people should really listen to that pirate episode of Whole Church.
28:31
And also, you know, my favorite Bible verse?
28:33
Is that why?
28:34
Wow, I'm blanking.
28:35
It's five one.
28:36
Galatians.
28:36
Five one.
28:37
It is for freedom.
28:38
You set us free.
28:38
And I'm like, freedom is by its own nature, I think, inspirational when you realize you've been set free from something.
28:45
That's why so many people who are Christian who have turned later in life tend to be really passionate about their faith because they realize they weren't free, and now they are.
28:54
And that is inspiring in a way that I don't think you could really put words to.
28:59
I think that's what happens with Luffy.
29:00
Luffy's going out.
29:01
And his core belief is People should be free.
29:04
So when he sees that they're not, he's going to do something about it.
29:07
And it's really hard not to want to stand with someone who put their life on the line just because he thought you should be free.
29:14
And, like, I just think innately it's inspiring.
29:16
He does it every time.
29:17
Liz, anything else to add?
29:18
How does Luffy inspire his whole crew, which is actually a lot more than the people we see on screen a lot of times?
29:25
Well, the Straw Hat Grand Fleet.
29:26
I mean, Luffy has an impossible dream, right?
29:29
And so we can all think about maybe when we were little smaller.
29:33
Even now we have kind of a dream, but, like, that will never happen.
29:36
Like, it would be nice, but, you know, everything would magically have to align.
29:40
So he inspires them to go after them.
29:43
Possible even when others, like you never do it.
29:45
Yeah.
29:46
Which I think is why you see a big difference in the stories of how some of the Starfleet Starfleet Straw Hats come to join his fleet.
29:54
Like, early on, it is like Zorro.
29:55
Like, I guess, or like, I think maybe just begrudgingly out of respect is just kind of tagging along.
30:01
Sanji.
30:02
I think it's kind of just like, convenience.
30:04
Like, yeah, I'm trying to get to the Grand Blue anyway.
30:05
I might as well join.
30:06
Like, early on, it feels like it's more just matters of convenience, or we happen to be going the same direction, and then later on in the series, it's more of a no, this guy is the real deal.
30:16
Yeah.
30:17
And by the time those goals are achieved, you know, Zoro and Sanji were like, well, I'm.
30:22
That's my captain.
30:23
That's the king.
30:23
The pirates.
30:24
I'm not going anywhere.
30:26
God, I love Luffy.
30:28
All right, last one.
30:29
Kobe.
30:31
Kind of a dark horse.
30:32
I feel like we actually could probably make the whole episode about Luffy and Kobe if we wanted to.
30:36
Kobe has the most glow up there ever did.
30:39
Glow.
30:40
Yeah.
30:41
It is crazy.
30:41
He starts this, like, punk kid who's like, I want to be marines one day.
30:44
And then you have Luffy who, you know, pirate should just beat this kid up.
30:47
And it's like, no, I'm gonna help you.
30:49
That's your goal.
30:50
You should get to do that.
30:53
Yeah.
30:55
Koby actually just looks like, wow.
30:56
Rang.
30:57
You guys have ever played Tekken?
30:58
No, he just looks like, wow.
31:00
Rang now.
31:00
I think it's so funny.
31:01
It looks just like him.
31:03
Entertaining, though.
31:03
But, yeah, I feel like Luffy and Kobe definitely influenced each other because it starts off as Kobe's just kind of punk kid Luffy enables him to be able to chase his dreams.
31:12
Kobe still is inspired by Luffy.
31:14
And Luffy every time he sees, like, the news or anytime he sees news that Kobe is doing well, like, it excites Luffy because Luffy isn't like, oh, I hate the Marines.
31:22
Luffy doesn't hate his enemies.
31:24
That's not what Luffy does.
31:25
Luffy's like, I want everybody to be free.
31:26
If you want to be a Marine, cool.
31:27
Go be the best Marine.
31:29
Just don't enslave other people.
31:31
That's all he wants.
31:32
Yeah.
31:33
He doesn't even hate the Marines.
31:34
He just wants people to live their life.
31:37
He hates hate people who abuse their power.
31:41
Yeah, yeah, he's Captain America.
31:44
But no, he does.
31:45
Yeah, he's Captain Japan.
31:46
He hates bullies.
31:47
He hates people not getting to live their dreams.
31:50
Whatever.
31:50
If you're getting to live your dream, it makes Luffy happy.
31:53
And I think that is just such, like, a deep character moment when you see Luffy find out about Kobe and he's not like, oh, man, maybe I shouldn't have let that kid become a Marine.
32:01
Instead, he's like, hell, yeah, this is awesome.
32:03
He's doing great, and he's excited for him.
32:05
And I'm like, I just.
32:07
I love Luffy so much.
32:08
But the fact that Kobe still looks up to Luffy, even though he's, like, a Marine and Luffy's a pirate.
32:13
Conflict of interest.
32:14
But Kobe's still, like, cheering for Luffy.
32:16
I love their relationship.
32:19
Obviously, it's gonna go somewhere at some point, but where?
32:21
Where's it going?
32:22
Yeah.
32:23
Kobe is like, every time Luffy comes up, he's like, we don't have to be worried about Luffy.
32:28
Luffy's a good guy.
32:30
Yeah.
32:30
Just let him call himself a pirate.
32:32
Leave it alone.
32:33
Yeah.
32:33
And at this point, he's really close with Helmeppo.
32:37
Like, he and Helmeppo are Marine captains.
32:40
Yeah, I forgot about that.
32:41
And they've gone through their whole redemption arc.
32:43
So funny.
32:44
Well, Kobe didn't really need to be redeemed, but Helmeppo did.
32:47
Yeah, But Koby's actually pretty powerful now, which is awesome, seeing how Luffy inspired a Marine to be this good.
32:55
And you're just like, what?
32:58
I love it.
32:59
Such a good show.
33:01
There are just so many payoffs that we still need to get and so many setups that we still need to get and be paid off that there's no way this story can end in five years.
33:11
Yeah.
33:11
Yeah.
33:12
And so usually when we do this series, we would ask like, how would the story be different without one of the characters we're talking about?
33:20
I think to me, and you know, I like to hear you guys opinions.
33:23
But like, the story is so well written.
33:25
Everybody is so entangled.
33:27
Man, Will should love this episode.
33:29
I don't think it works without a single person being removed.
33:31
Because Oda very clearly set things up years and years in advance.
33:36
And it's like, yeah, you can't take out Garp.
33:39
The story doesn't make sense without Garp.
33:41
You can't take out Monkey D Dragon.
33:42
You can't take out Koby even.
33:44
I'm not sure where that's going.
33:45
But I know Odo enough that it's going to pay off in the end.
33:48
And probably a big enough way that the story won't make sense without him.
33:52
Yeah.
33:52
Well, at this point, Garp has kind of taken Koby as his newest son.
33:57
Yeah.
33:58
Which is also pretty entertaining because he's lost Ace.
34:02
Yeah.
34:02
And Luffy basically gifted Koby to them.
34:06
Yeah.
34:07
Yeah.
34:08
But what about you?
34:08
Do you guys think there's any of these characters the story could make it without?
34:13
And still Dragon?
34:14
I would say if Dragon wasn't Luffy's dad, like, well, we need his genes to have Luffy because we just don't know much about him right now.
34:23
Like, anyone could lead the revolutionary army.
34:25
Yeah, that's true.
34:25
Anybody could do it.
34:26
I feel like you do need the revolutionary army so that you have a contrast between the whole government and pirate thing and you see that as just an alternative.
34:34
Like, I feel like it's necessary.
34:36
I don't think it has to be Monkey D Dragon.
34:38
Yeah.
34:38
Are you guys caught up to the manga?
34:40
I was trying to figure that out the other day.
34:42
I don't think so.
34:43
I think I'm a few weeks behind.
34:45
Well, I'm not gonna say it, but there are some crazy characters that we have seen more of than Dragon at this point.
34:50
Say it.
34:52
Do it.
34:52
Name drop.
34:54
I dare you.
34:54
Emu.
34:56
Emu.
34:57
Like, yeah.
34:58
I love this show.
34:59
Interesting.
35:00
That's who Luffy's fighting.
35:01
Yeah.
35:02
Right now is Emu.
35:04
That's so interesting with Loki.
35:07
So in this series, if you had to choose to either be like a captain or a marine admiral or someone who's underneath, like, you're learning from Luffy or you're Garp secondhand, where would you rather be?
35:19
Would you rather be the one in charge?
35:21
Would you rather be one of the people who's just like, I'm on board.
35:23
Let's do this.
35:24
I don't know.
35:26
I would love to have a guy like Luffy on my team under my influence, and I would love to work for somebody like Luffy.
35:32
So.
35:34
I think I would be so stressed working under Luffy because I would just get so annoyed.
35:40
I was always getting into a pension in trouble, and I'm such a rural type a person.
35:44
So I think I would want to chill with, go up and Kobe and be like the justice and the injustice of the Navy, but, like, secretly be like, jealous that they're having more fun than me.
35:54
Yeah, I have a hard, hard time with this because I am more the rule follower person usually.
35:59
Even though I'm not like super type A, I'm just kind of like, I like rules, you know, I like the speed limit.
36:04
It's cool, but not true.
36:06
I do like having.
36:07
He does not pay attention to the speed limit.
36:09
I mean, he didn't say paid attention.
36:11
He just said he liked it.
36:12
I don't go over the speed limit very often, so very often, usually I don't.
36:17
This is.
36:18
That's a different episode.
36:20
I would like to hear when I go over the speed limit.
36:22
Every time you're not focused on driving the speed limit, I feel like I.
36:25
Usually am going under because when I realize I haven't been paying attention, I look and I'm like, huh?
36:29
I'm going 10 under.
36:30
That's probably a problem.
36:31
Sure.
36:31
Sometimes anyway.
36:33
Or maybe it's just every time I'm in your car.
36:35
That's true.
36:36
That would be encouraging.
36:37
I think sometimes that does happen because, like, if someone's riding with me, I'm like, they're gonna judge me if I'm driving too slow.
36:42
So I tend to drive faster.
36:43
But anyway, whole nother conversation, I just feel like I'd feel uncomfortable going against the government.
36:50
But also if I was part of a system that I knew was corrupt, then I'd be like, I'd be uncomfortable there too.
36:55
Like, I feel in this world I'd be uncomfortable in any position.
36:59
Oh, you.
36:59
You vote, don't you?
37:01
Depends.
37:02
Well, that's why I said under Garp, because Garp will go against the Navy.
37:06
That's why he never.
37:07
He truly.
37:08
I know.
37:09
I want, like, Sabo and them.
37:10
They still seem like a fun group, but they have their, like, hey, our priority is we are going to take down a corrupt system and we're going to do it with purpose.
37:19
We all three chose different, but I.
37:21
Want to be underneath somebody.
37:22
I don't want to charge of the revolutionary army.
37:24
Yeah.
37:25
I want to be under Garp.
37:26
But I mean, like.
37:26
But Garp will not be an admiral because he wants to.
37:30
He doesn't want to be so high up so he can still do what he wants.
37:33
You know what I mean?
38:20
I love Garp.
38:21
Garp is a good.
38:22
One of the best characters actually.
38:24
So digging a little bit deeper, as geekologists do, do you think it's possible to be the same kind of influencer that Luffy is to others in like the real world?
38:34
Because part of the thing with One Piece is, as TJ so delicately put it, Luffy exerts his willpower on the world.
38:41
The world just kind of binged to Luffy's will.
38:44
That's not so much a thing in real life.
38:46
Do you think it's still possible to have that kind of influence without everything's going to bend to my will?
38:51
No, it is.
38:52
And you can.
38:53
I mean, you can be here to elaborate.
38:55
Like, I'm not going to be out here fighting governments for someone.
38:59
But in your day to day life, you absolutely can try to live that way.
39:03
And you'd be surprised.
39:05
Like, I could just decide I'm going to be king of the Byroids.
39:08
Yeah, I do feel like in some ways I do part of it.
39:12
But like I don't, you know, I don't have the same kind of willpower.
39:15
So I'm not that inspirational.
39:16
But like, I do that where, like, I think it's more autism than anything though, where I'm just like, this is what I want.
39:21
I'm gonna make that thing happen.
39:22
And I just kind of ignore what everybody else says about it because I guess not what I want.
39:26
I think about like, because I.
39:28
It's the fall, so I go to like so, so many conferences throughout the fall.
39:33
So it's kind of one of those things like you live your life as an inspiration because that's really what Luffy's doing.
39:38
He's like living his life and his life and his passion is inspiring others to follow their dreams.
39:43
So like, when you hear someone else's story and testimony, if you will, that inspires someone that they can also do it.
39:50
Like, you overcame this struggle, you overcame this abuse.
39:54
I can do it too, and kind of live a life by example that way.
39:58
I think the most, to me, the most applicable thing that Luffy does.
40:02
And it's hard to do it in as much of a grandiose kind of way in our world, in my opinion.
40:08
But I think you could still do it where Luffy inspires people because he offers freedom.
40:11
He sees people not being free.
40:13
He's like, let me find a way to do something about that.
40:15
And that inspires people.
40:16
But, like, in the words of Gandalf, I feel like you can kind of.
40:20
The small actions of everyday people can still do that.
40:24
You see someone who can't pay for a meal, and you can pay for their meal.
40:28
That's a way to inspire somebody.
40:29
Like, it might not seem like it matters in that moment, but it does.
40:33
I remember church camp that all three of us worked.
40:36
At one point, I found out 10 years after the fact that somebody was like, yeah, I actually committed going to the church.
40:41
I'm church leader.
40:42
All this stuff, and it's because of you.
40:43
And I was like, all I remember is slightly bullying you when you were a kid because I was stupid.
40:50
And I was like, I just was uneven.
40:52
They probably would hate me forever.
40:53
And they were like, yeah, they said, yeah, you were kind of a bully, which I was.
40:58
But also, you did this thing.
41:00
You told everyone that they needed to come up and pray with me, that we were together, we were brothers.
41:04
And that stuck with me.
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And I'm like, yeah, I don't remember that at all.
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So I think sometimes it is those small moments, it may be being less of a bully that can be inspirational.
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And that's something that stuck with me is like, I still try to do those small things because I'm like, yeah, apparently sometimes it matters, even if I don't see the fruits of it for 10 years or maybe ever.
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Yeah.
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And thankfully, I was a really cool kid, so Josh didn't bully me.
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Also, you liked playing killer bunnies in the Quest for the Magical Carrot, so, yeah.
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Yeah, that's what I said.
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Yeah.
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You enjoyed playing the same game as me, so we were friends.
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That's what mattered to me at that point in life.
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Are you going to be entertaining?
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But, yeah.
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Liz, any other notes how we might be able to inspire the way that Luffy inspires or Garp or any of the other people mentioned?
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I mean, honestly, with people just kind of being so out for themselves in this world and so, like, egocentric, just being kind and asking people how they are and just, like, taking the time to get to know literally,
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your neighbor and the people around you and show an interest in caring for them.
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I mean, especially with the world of social media, so many people feel alone now more than ever.
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So just being able to reach out, you never know who might be on their, like, last leg, like, wondering if they want to, like, continue on and, like, you're being kind to them makes all the difference.
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Yeah.
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One More for me.
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And then we'll see if TJ has anything else.
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But the thing with Koby, it would have been so easy for Luffy to be like, oh, Marines are stupid, or whatever.
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But he's like, I'm going to enable you and empower you to do what you want to do.
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And I think that's a big thing we all could probably learn from is we.
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Especially when you're younger, maybe less so when you're our age.
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But people who's like, oh, I want to be an artist.
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I want to be whatever.
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And it's so easy to pick on them and be like, oh, why would you want to do that?
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Or you can't do that.
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Everybody tries to whatever.
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And we belittle what other people want to do.
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But I think Luffy's method of cool.
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How can I help you do that?
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Even if to me it makes no sense, or I don't care about that thing, or I think it's silly.
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The thing that was important was Luffy's like, no, that's what you want, and I'm going to enable you.
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And it changed someone's life forever.
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And I think that is something we can do.
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We see what somebody's goals are.
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TJ and I work in the food industry as managers, and it's easy to belittle other people.
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Or you can see what people want to do.
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Like, what I love is when I see someone's like, hey, this is my goal in life.
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And I'm like, oh, cool.
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You do that every Friday.
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Then I'm gonna find a way to get you Fridays off so you can chase your goal.
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I think enabling people the best that we can to chase their dreams is important.
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Yeah.
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Tj, any final thoughts?
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No, I do agree.
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I think we're uniquely equipped to help people do that.
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Yeah.
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As managers, not as Christians.
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Yeah, no, I know.
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I just.
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It was just funny.
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I was like, huh?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, so with that, then, we will go ahead and start wrapping this one up.
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Just so everybody knows, we will have a bonus question so those who are official members of Sidmak Ecology can hear us discuss some of the other faces behind Sanji, Zoro and the other straw hats, because we do get
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some more info on them as the show goes on, so specifically to them.
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For now, though, we're gonna start with a recommendation.
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There's some other comics, anime, whatever, that you think everybody should check out.
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Liz.
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My recommendation, I guess, is, gosh, it's hard because it's me.
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Go have a kid.
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If you don't have one.
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It's pretty great, I guess because that's been like my life lately.
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No thanks.
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In the confines of marriage, Fang recommends.
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Get pregnant if you're happily Mary.
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I don't know, I'm just trying to think what besides that one?
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Anime, what have I been watching?
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Recommended.
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I mean, guess Audiobooks.
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That's been kind of nice.
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So just get out there, maybe get an audible subscription and find the genre of your choice.
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Because I have little time for anything else.
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I like it.
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Fair enough.
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I recommend finding the graphic novels for Dead Space.
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A fun way to learn more about that world.
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And it's enjoyable.
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I've been reviewing some of them recently, but I haven't been like super into them lately.
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I just remember them being awesome.
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So I'm recommend that I have been.
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Going over to a friend's house and playing old fighting games or just like old games in general.
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But I would, I would recommend just going back to the past.
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Play games from like the 2000s 2010s that you didn't play back then and just see what, what's changed.
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It's so different.
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Well, he has like a pretty decent retro at this point console collection.
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He's got like a PS3 and PS2, Xbox 360, the original Xbox.
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So we'll play like Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4 and like Dead or Alive 3 and Soul Caliber 3.
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It's just, it's crazy to see what's changed and how the industry has changed.
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Changed how you've changed.
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Yeah.
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Even with the style of gameplay, it's like.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of dj, you want an Xbox?
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An original Xbox?
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Which one?
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Yeah, cool.
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Someone, someone gave me one.
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I have nothing to do, so.
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Awesome.
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Cool.
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I figured somebody would want it.
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All right.
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So yeah, retro game with tj.
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He will have an original Xbox.
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