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72. We're Back. Is the Bible enough? · 4-Freedom Podcast

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I do not mean to be mean, I do mean to be mad.
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Those that criticize this kind of preacher.
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They don't like Authority. If you ain't got the King James,
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you ain't got, hey, you don't have a King James, you don't
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have a Bible. It be surprised then don't go to
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sleep when I'm talking. Hey, hey, hey, don't, don't
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don't you lay your head but I'm I'm important.
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I'm somebody, I love you. You know, I love you.
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And I convince you, I love you. You better said, you better not
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your hideous or come up with her to stay awake.
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You listen to me? I still believe if you have cold
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day in Hell, before I get my family through, I'm a preacher.
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When you got dressed today, you dressed deity.
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This is the for Freedom podcast, a podcast that is part of the
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RFP Network that seeks to bring freedom in Christ from the
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spiritual abuse of legalism. Now, here are your hosts, John
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hollifield, and James secret and so fundamentalism is designed to
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unpack the idea of authority from scripture.
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The problem with that is that that's not the defining
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principle in Scripture. It is a part of the defining
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principle in. Scripture is love.
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That sort of teacher, I don't want to give people just
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a list of things they can start doing differently until they
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have a heart out of which they're going to be doing those
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things differently. I think bitterness is different
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from her. I would say that hurt or even
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abuse does not have to result in bitterness, Welcome welcome.
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Welcome everybody back to the for Freedom podcast and it is
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good to be back sitting here, I'm John hollifield sitting with
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my co-host from another state. Another chair, Big James safer,
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what's going on? James?
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John, welcome back. It is good to be recording with
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you. Again, we have had a eventful
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summer, it's been crazy for both of us Ministry, and family and
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various other things that we've had going.
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But God still good. He's still on the throne and
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he's given us Grace where we don't deserve it, and he's
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giving us patience to deal with people in the ways that we never
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thought we could have possible in our life.
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And so, yes, it is good to be back behind the microphone.
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It is good to be back with you. Today, we're going to be
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discussing here later a question that was sent to us and I hope
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we can help. Some people out won't be long
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episode but just want to be valuable if your time and let
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you know sort of what's been going on, John how has Your
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summer been. If you can remember that far
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back can you tell me some big event things that have happened
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in your life? This summer?
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No not really usable so good. Yeah, we went to Pensacola and
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spent a weekend there and had a good time and Christian College
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that you went to the Pensacola PCC, the flagship down there.
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And well, you know, The we sorry.
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I'm yawning. I'm tired.
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It's been yeah. Yeah.
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You Go Robin's dead. James is his legacy?
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Oh yeah. Well, we were just been busy.
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Busy, busy busy. So that's, I mean, that's none
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of that can be it. Can you hear all that?
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Yeah, this is a really loud. No, it's fine.
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Just keep going. Okay.
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Just my kids are in the The other room play in the.
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We so sorry everybody. If you hear my kids?
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Yeah. It's just been a, it's been a
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busy summer and just church life is just, you know, just keeping
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us going and I got us doing some really cool things so excited
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about it. But yeah, it speaking of
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speaking of the wheat, John did, did you recently come in contact
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with a Nintendo 64? No, you didn't get it.
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I bought it. I got scammed on eBay.
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And so then I had to wait for eBay to refund my money.
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But I was, I was just disappointed.
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John, I was excited to hear about you playing gold 9.
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All that good. Oh, I have been.
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I've been found a way to do it on the computer and I got me
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like a little. It's like a N64 controller that
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plugs into your laptop. Nice.
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Yeah. So yeah.
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So, you know what? I, you know, I went, I fell in a
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rabbit hole of this thing. I know that people love to hear
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about this awful. Rabbit Hole.
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There are actually game developers out there that have
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taken, the template of GoldenEye and taken former James Bond
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movies and made complete games. No way.
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Yes, no. It's so cool.
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So they've got one on the spy. Who loved me.
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They got one on the Tomorrow. Never Dies.
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The movie that came out after golden eye, and they got one on
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the on the Sean Connery, maybe Goldfinger, and there's
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currently they're working on one for the Timothy Dalton Living
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Daylights. Oh my goodness.
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And it's just like playing GoldenEye just with different
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missions. That is all.
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Awesome. We're gonna oh, man.
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Well, this is what me and John's wife is, I've had as well.
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I busy summer, we have been straight in Ministry, we were in
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California, we had back-to-back camps.
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We had Vacation Bible School. It's been been very busy for us,
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but school has started back for my family, and so my schedule is
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open back up a little bit, and we are excited about what God's
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got in store for our Lives in our family, just continue to
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pray for us. Hey, you did come and see me I
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did. I was with John for a day for a
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day, and when you taught me really cool card game, yeah, we
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went to don't be an idiot. Yeah, we went to Dollywood for
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my son's birthday and then I said, I was actually on my son's
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birthday and I gave him a choice.
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I said, Brody, I said, do you want to stay in Dollywood for
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another day? Or do you want to go?
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See Uncle John, your birthday and his choice was He wanted to
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go see Uncle John, his birthday and so we drove an extra couple
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hours went to a Bucky's. Some of you guys saw that on the
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RFP fan page and then spent the night with John and his family
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and my family. And then we had a great time
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there, so, yeah, it was good, it was a good time and glad to be
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home and glad to get back into routine.
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I'm a routine guy. I do not.
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Let my routine messed up. So John, we've got some great
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things coming up for this next season of the podcast.
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Has been a great break, just a couple of weeks ago, we were
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able to fill in for the RFP. The the main guys podcast us and
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the young Baptist partner together and did a phenomenal
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episode probably the best episode that's ever been
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recorded in the history of podcast episode.
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Don't you love how after we do that?
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They do an interview with John Cooper.
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Man. That was just the, I think they
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did that. Just on purpose because they
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knew we were. Yeah, that was a punch to the
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gut Youth and culture. Yeah.
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Was hey, but go over there, listen to that and just so you
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can know. We have lined up the youth and
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culture we've lined up grow in Grace and we've lined up beers
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and bibles for a wonderful crossover event.
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Three different episodes that we're going to be doing, we're
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going to continue that crossover series that we did and have
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those those guys and girls on and that's going to all lead up
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to John what big events coming up in November Thanksgiving.
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Thanksgiving the time, will we get?
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Eat and celebrate our gluttony and that is what we are looking
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forward to it. Now, the for the sake of the
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Gospel Conference with the RFP family and the RFP network is
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going to be there. And so this is going to be the
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first ever conference with the recovering fundamentalist
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podcast. And so, we're looking forward to
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it, it's going to be a Thursday evening Friday and then Saturday
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morning and so the lineup is going to be are recovering
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Fundamentalist. Host Nathan cravat and then
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Jared Wilson author Jared Wilson.
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And I think he's a professor of Midwestern seminary in Kansas
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City are going to be preaching. The first night, we're going to
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have worship music with hope worship.
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And then also JJ week span is going to be there.
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And so then you're going to have JC Groves and Mark me Leone,
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preach. And then we're going to have on
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Friday evening, Brian Edwards and Edwards preaching.
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And we're going to have some breakout sessions with the RFP
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Network involved. And I think Saturday morning, if
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those can stay for Saturday morning, they're going to have
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sort of a live think via with Stephen boys, dr.
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Stephen boys. And Jonathan Beasley.
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And I don't know, I've sort of, they did that episode on RFP.
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And I downloaded Stephen voices, podcast, facts, and I've been
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listening to that stuff. What am I?
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My things that I just absolutely love to just you know, side
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Hobbies is canonicity of scripture and so I really enjoy
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listening his stuff on that, but yeah, so it's $50.
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We want you to register, you go to RFP dot org and you can find
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the registration from that page, it's 50 bucks, 50 bucks for the
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registration, you come and worship with us.
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Have a good time and I know you're going to be edified and
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lift it up there. Yeah.
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And when we say conference, a lot of times we get this
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mysticism that. Going to come and it's going to
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be like a meet-up, feel, we're going to be there, we're going
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to hang out, we're all going to be together.
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What we want to do is we want to bring our recording equipment
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and we're going to try to record some of you guys, some of your
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stories. We really enjoyed doing that in
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Missouri. And so we hope we can get a
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couple of good interviews lined up while we were there during
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some lunch or dinner sessions and so it's going to be a great
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time. Hopefully you'll come join us
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for that and I'm looking forward to spending a couple days with
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John's been a couple of days with the network and enjoying
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that time there. Well we have changed some of the
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roles here on the podcast coming up John with his business of
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pastoring and family and John's bi-vocational.
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So he's not full time at the church and so his time with
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counseling has gotten away from him.
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So what we're going to be doing is we're flipping roles and I am
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going to begin doing all of the behind-the-scenes, legwork
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lining up interviews. The show notes editing and
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producing the episodes and John's going to be my co-host.
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No, I'm still going to be the co-host.
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John's the, the brainchild of all this, but we are going to
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reverse this a little bit. So in doing that we've like I
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said earlier, we've lined up the crossover episodes.
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We are lining up for next week for our next recording.
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We're going to be recording with Jonathan Smith out of Faith,
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Lafayette, biblical, counseling Coalition up there and we're
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doing an interview with him called Are you hooked and hooked
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on social media and how to become unhooked from social
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media? And so it's going to be a great
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episode. We hope you'll tune in to that
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and he's doing some great stuff with NASA and other things.
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We're going to be talking through some topics of worry,
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anxiety, fear, just some basic counseling stuff.
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And, and we've got some other interviews that were looking at
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with possibly. Well, I'm not going to mention
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their names because we haven't confirmed them.
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But we do have some of those guys that we were working on
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trying to get them lined up and so but today John we were
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presented a question and we do love your response, we love your
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feedback and so we're going to jump right into it today.
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Well, one of the last episodes we did before we took our break
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was on biblical counseling like what is biblical counseling and
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sort of breaking some of those things down.
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And and so we had, somebody did send something push back.
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I got permission from them to sort of talk about this and I do
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understand that they're not. Here to sort of I mean this is
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going to be us responding to this pushback but at the same
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time they're not going to be here to add feedback to it.
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So we want to be as kind and courteous as we can and not sort
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of you know, just run away with it.
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But basically saying that the area that they agreed a little
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bit with Biblical counseling agree with, with sufficiency of
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scripture and But they sort of take a more integrated approach
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and he said, the area that they would push back on with on what
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we said is in the way that we express the sufficiency of
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scripture I absolutely believe and stand for the sufficiency of
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scripture. However, while the Bible is
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absolutely sufficient for everything in addresses, there
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are many things that God did not place in scripture and leaves
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man to study and come up with answers for example.
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See, if scripture does it mean that you can read the Bible to
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become a cardiac surgeon or a computer engineer and I would
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view the human brain and the same in the same way.
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There are many areas where the Bible simply does it give the
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answer to many psychological problems or phenomena for those,
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a good study of psychology is necessary to provide many
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aspects of counseling that are not in scripture.
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Now, having said that I absolutely appreciate anybody
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who studies And seeks to counsel people who need it.
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So, draw a map for you. I'm a pastor and I often counsel
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people likely in the same way that you would from scripture.
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However, understanding the human mind, its influences, health and
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sociological factors and more integrated.
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Hence, the term with revelation of scripture, I believe can
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provide a more well-rounded counseling approach.
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Love to hear your thoughts. Alright, so number And I can
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tend to be a little bit excited polemical, maybe in this area.
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So if I come across too strong, forgive me.
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I just do because I'm very passionate about this subject
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and there are certain aspects of what he said that.
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I think maybe he misunderstood us a little bit because we do
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believe in the belief of common Grace, right.
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That God has given common Grace to.
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D to observe truth in his creation.
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We don't believe that doctors or surgeons that study medicine and
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study the body have to be Believers.
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We don't believe that every scientist can make a true
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observation about creation and but must be a believer
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therefore, when it comes to psychology can unbelievers, make
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true observations about The Human Condition The answer will
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you would say would be yes the problem with it is is that you
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have to understand that they're interpreting that information
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after they observe it through a world view grid.
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That is devoid of God, and devoid of the effects of the
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fall on Humanity. Therefore, the aspects that are
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coming. They're coming away with in the
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solutions that they're coming away with our very much marred
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and flawed and In some cases unbiblical.
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James, you have anything to add before I move on.
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Yeah. Well, as we talk through this,
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really, I want to break this. This question down into two
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separate questions. The first can scripture help us
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become a surgeon and I think you address that well, scripture
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cannot help you become in the sense of it, cannot teach you to
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be a space. Exploration of just cannot teach
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you a brain surgeon but what it does it gives us the foundation
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for what like you said, your worldview, it gives us the
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foundation for what we Can build our life on it, so that's what
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we're saying. When it comes to the sufficiency
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of scripture in this sense is yes, there is that common Grace
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John? Yes, there is this thought of we
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can we can observe nature. And let me Roman simply says
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that L can observe nature and observe the glory that God
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created through things. And so there is the common Grace
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aspect that builds on the foundation of this.
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So, yes to answer your question, the by, Bible.
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Can you cannot stay, I won't become a cardiologist surgeon.
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The Bible's not going to teach you how to open up someone's
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body surgery. It back together and become make
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party all just in that sense. But what it can do is it can
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help you. When you actually do become that
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cardiologist, you're going to be able to help those patients.
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So much greater was just your spiritual application in their
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lives. I don't know how many people
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that I've talked to even in our church that have had cancer
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situations or in surgery. And they said, you know, my
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doctor had this awesome opportunity where they said,
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hey, I'm a Believer I believe in Jesus and I believe in prayer
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and so I'm going to spend this time if it's okay with you to
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pray with you and pray over you and they were able to take this
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gift that God gave them to become a surgeon and use it for
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God's honor and glory. And I think that's where we get
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this view of scripture and how it can be sufficient in all
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areas. Okay?
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So what we believe is that the Bible is sufficient and How know
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this can be triggering to some ifb.
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People, those who come out of the ifb, but we believe the
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Bible. Sufficient for lat all matters
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of life and practice faith, and practice.
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That is not a bad stance that be that, that is a.
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That is a Biblical stance to be, because we see that the Bible is
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sufficient for life. And I think one matter of this,
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this subject, this conversation comes down with how you view.
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The makeup of a man is Mana, trichotomy or is man a
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dichotomy? So what do you mean by that?
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We has been made up of Body Soul and Spirit or has been made up
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of Body, Soul Spirit. Say what did you just say?
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The same thing? No I didn't.
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So there are many, who believe that man is made up of Body,
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Soul, and Spirit that you need medical doctors, take care of
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the body. You need spiritual matters and
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People who are Christians and have the care and discipleship,
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to take care of the spirit and that you need psychologist to
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take care of the Soul. All right, I would disagree with
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that emphatically. Say that man is a dichotomy and
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that means that man is a body and man is soul or Spirit, OK?
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Meaning Soul or spirit. I believe when you go to
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scripture Old Testament and New And you do a deep dive into
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this. You find out that the the when
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the words Soul and Spirit are used to describe man and his
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makeup, they are used interchangeably.
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Therefore man is a dichotomy. So we are given those with
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medical practice and medical knowledge to help with the body,
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but we're given God's word and the Holy Spirit to help with the
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soul, or the spirit. Now, the that I don't have a
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problem in the world with psychology James.
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I don't have a problem to wear with psychology, I think
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psychology should stay in their Lane.
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I think psychology should be scientist who study the brain.
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However, they don't stay in their Lane, they actually will
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take their observations and study the brain.
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And then they started to go out there and make interpretations
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of those and then try to say, you know, do this and this.
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And that's where I have an issue with that's where we butt heads
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because I believe that we have the solutions for men.
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What is man and what is man's greatest?
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Just need not only we have that. Now when it comes to I think
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there's also a misunderstanding, the culture as a whole has been
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so wholly, accepting of this practice without any question or
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push back. And I think the understanding
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the common understanding of what we actually know about the human
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brain is so small, so small. It is, it is, it is you think
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about the Vastness of the ocean, right?
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The vastness of the ocean, you think about how much we have
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explored and studied the like, and found out about the ocean
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and whenever you realize how much ocean there is and how much
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we've actually been able to explore.
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It's like less than 10%. Yeah, it's minut very, very much
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so. And I think the same has been
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done with the brain. I think.
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Because of different things in our culture today, people think
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that we've got the brain figured out, it's not even close.
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Was John has some and we just recently have this in our County
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we had a young lady, it was a teenager going into high school,
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she was going to her ninth grade year, it was a summer before
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last she had a four-wheeler accident, she was on the back of
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it. It flipped over, she landed on
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her head and it was touch and go for a long time and this was I
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can remember one reports of the doctor said we've seen this
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happen before we know that she's going to survive, we just don't
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know how much her actual brain is going to come back to
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wholeness. Okay, they've observed it,
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they've seen it, they've studied it.
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But they cannot tell you how much this is going to come out
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because we don't understand how the brain operates and how the
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brain repairs itself. We know when we cut a piece of
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skin on our body, how it's going to repair itself, we can observe
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it because it's physical but the brain is something that we
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cannot observe in that sense. And I think that's what you're
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getting. Well, the reason is is because
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in order to study the brain, You have to take pieces samples of
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it, you have to cut into it but what we know is that whenever
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you do that you're you're causing brain damage to the
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person. So the only type of brain study
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that we did and that's considered very inhumane.
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Right? So the only study that's been
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able to been done on that is post-mortem.
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But that even right there is, is a big hindrance to that because
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we're able to like there's no life going on in the brain.
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Of what's going on. Yeah, a big huge misconception
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that is out there to give an example of what I'm talking
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about here. I can talk about the DSM, I can
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talk about this, but the thing about this James, what is a
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theory? A theory is something that
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someone has rode out. They think is going to happen,
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but yet it's not proven to be exact for it.
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Exactly. A theory, is something an idea
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or concept of somebody coming. Comes up with that has not been
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proven. Now, there are two possible
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results for a theory, right? A theory could be proven true or
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a theory could be proven untrue but until either of those
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happens is still a theory. Yeah.
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All right, here's what happens. So many times in our culture, a
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theory is placed out there and because there's money to be made
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on a theory. I know you guys are going to be
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like oh he's gone in the conspiracy theorist.
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He's gone fundamentalist, listen to.
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Because I'm telling you the truth here because there's money
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to be made on a theory. It is presented to the culture
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as scientific fact case in point.
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Have you ever heard James of someone saying that we there are
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many people who have chemical imbalances.
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Oh yeah, lots of times. Okay.
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This is the theory. It was originated in the 50s.
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The theory is that the reason that much A lot of people suffer
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from Depression or even a later on in the 70s anxiety was thrown
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in there and schizophrenia was thrown in there was because
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there are imbalances and chemicals of the brain, whether
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it be norepi F norepinephrine, dopamine serotonin with
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depression, it was a serotonin deficiency.
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Okay, that was the theory through the use of
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pharmaceutical medicines and Article drugs and big Pharmacy
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companies. Now that theory has become.
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Cultural fact, people believe that the chemical imbalance idea
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is fact, some people just have a chemical imbalance.
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Why did somebody go shoot up a theater?
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Why does somebody go shoot up a school?
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Well, they have a chemical imbalance.
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There's something wrong in their mind.
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Okay, I'm going to recommend a book for you.
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For our listeners, go read the chemical imbalance.
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And by dr. Daniel Berger, this guy does not
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quote a Christian. Once in this book, he only
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quotes secular psychologist. This theory has been proven
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false. It's a it's a never existed.
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We do not have a chemical, there is not a single person, has a
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chemical imbalance and the idea is that in order for you to have
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a chemical imbalance, there must be a balance Of what those
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chemicals should be. They've never been able to
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figure out as test that standard.
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In fact, their best scientific studies to this day.
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Have concluded. That probably every single
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person has a different balance of chemicals, then the next
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person. Yeah but they have no idea what
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that balance is. So how can you know, if somebody
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has an imbalance of something, if you cannot test or gauge the
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balance of something? Now here's the other idea, let's
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say if somebody did have an imbalance How would you
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determine and confirm that they would have an imbalance
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scientifically you take a sample, right?
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Yeah. But there's no test to do that
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because to do that, you'd have to drill into the brain and take
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a biopsy of the brain and try to test those chemicals.
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That is illegal. It's called a lobotomy, and you
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cannot practice that anymore. So there's no way number one to
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determine whether there is what the balance is.
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And there's no way to confirm that you have an imbalance.
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So what happens? Is people go to doctors and they
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say I'm struggling with depression.
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Well, maybe you have a chemical imbalance, write you a
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prescription because they have a Prescription Pad backed.
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You want to talk about secular psychology many, some therapist
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and secular psychologists are angry at medical doctors because
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they're so quick to prescribe medicine to people and for
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chemical imbalances and they know don't even have training in
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Psychology but they have a scrip pad so they can do it.
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Okay, I know I get I get a little bit heated about this
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stuff, because here's what happens, they get up and they
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people start taking medicine. That actually is messing with
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the chemical makeup of their brain.
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And there's a, there's a long discussion.
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We can have going into what that does.
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But let me let me go to this aspect.
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What about the DSM, right? The DSM is supposed to be the
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psychology Bible that we and such great information about
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diagnosis right there in the DSM-5.
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I think right now and they're working on the DSM 6.
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Okay, I just got through reading a book by Vander.
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Kolk on the body keeps the score on trauma, he's not a Believer,
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he's not a Christian, but one of his biggest complaints about the
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DSM, as they had some times where they were trying to
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present evidence and studies of a diagnosis of trauma and the
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DSM rejected it because they Was a political motivation of
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changing it. Yeah.
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And there was too much money to be made on the DSM and then he
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records. How much money is made?
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Each time they put out a DSM and it's a huge.
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I mean, multi multi millions of dollars that bring that they
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bring in from publishing a DSM. And so the here's the think
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about this in the DSM. One homosexuality was considered
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a disorder. Now, it's completely changed and
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it's not no longer seen as a disorder, but should be
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accepted. I wonder why that is.
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It's not science. It's culture and it goes back.
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John, what is their Foundation? What is it?
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What is their worldview? Where are they basing?
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All of their information from and if you're basing it from
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culture, if you're basing it from where there's money to be
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made, all of a sudden, now, we turn into.
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Well, this isn't culturally accepted anymore.
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So we've got to change the standard.
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God's word doesn't change the standard.
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God's word never changes the same yesterday today and
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forever. Exactly right.
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The DSM is always changing. One of the things I love and I'm
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reading right now, was given to me by a friend of mine, William
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Berger, a Puritan reformer and some of the things that he's
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saying, as he's going through his life, this was in the 1500s
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are applicable today because his scripture reading the same
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description. I'm getting the same
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application. I'm getting the same theology
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from it because scripture doesn't Change.
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Now, I would dare say John if I went and I read a 1500, which
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there wouldn't have been a psychology back in the 1500s,
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but if there would have been a psychology manual in the 1500s,
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would it be the exact same today as it was five, six hundred
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years now. No, because here's here's the
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thing that not only is the DSM changed, but the DSM is changing
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is more influenced many times by culture than it is science.
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Yeah. So I asked the Ian, what could
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possibly because of culture wind up on the DSM in the future as a
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disorder. S-something Christians, need to
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think about. Yeah and and you know this this
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aspect of it changing, the Bible does not change.
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Like you said, scripture, does it change, okay.
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And think about it this way. James, many of what's
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considered, psychological problems and phenomena, are
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observations, made by unbelievers with an unbiblical
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worldview, who have no grid to interpret the fall of Man.
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The fall on the Falls effects on creation sin.
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And so, they're trying to interpret the problems and
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phenomena. They see without that kind of
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grid, you know, a Critic may say, oh, are you saying to
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everybody's problem is sin? Yes and no no I'm not saying to
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everybody that sits in a counseling room.
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That their problem is that they just need to repent of their
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sin. Some do But in a sense, yes, I
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am saying that everybody's problem is the CM because when
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you look at the effect of the fall on all of Creations, Roman
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8, Romans 8 says that all of creation groan.
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Yeah, it is only through a Biblical worldview that we
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understand. Here it is man and man's
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greatest need. I mean, I could go on for a long
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time on this but I think that I appreciate the, the, the
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listeners short of concern and I think, Maybe I can come across a
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little bit too harsh on the subject, but I mean, what it is,
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is, I do believe that their observations that we can learn.
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All right, there are observations that we can glean
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from about the human condition, but I think we've got to be very
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Discerning. And we've got to be very
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skeptical about where it goes from there.
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Yep. And I think really what gives
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down to. And we've said this several
33:21
times, we say this often hear when we begin dealing with the
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issues of someone's life, anorexia anxiety.
33:30
Depression. We've got to get to the heart of
33:33
the problem and that's what scripture does.
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Scripture gets to the heart of the problem that's dealing with
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someone's life or psychology just wants to fix it and give
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them a pill and move on. Well, that's it in a nutshell.
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I'm saying in a nutshell. I would say that I had one of my
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complaints is similar to what you just said, but I don't want
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to lump all of them in. Yeah.
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There are there are many out there that genuinely are trying
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to help people, but I think that they've been misled, but what
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our goal is, as counselors biblical counselors, we want to
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get to the heart of the problem. We want to use scripture and
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say, okay, how did Jesus deal with this situation?
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How did Jesus get to the heart of this problem?
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And solve it from that side of you.
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And so that's sort of where we're at.
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So I told you we wouldn't be long.
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We just wanted to give a basic talk and go through this and
34:28
then we'll begin some of these interviews and some of the other
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things coming up. And so we're excited about what
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34:36
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