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Episode 3: We Had Some FOOTBALL Played! · Ruffling the Feathers: An NFL Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: It is time for episode number three of the Ruffling
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  Speaker 2: the Feathers podcast. Today we are gonna be talking about
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  Speaker 2: the first football game of the year. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: who cares that it's preseason.
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  Speaker 1: It is football.
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  Speaker 2: It is real men making contact with other men in
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  Speaker 2: a physical.
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  Speaker 1: Game of football.
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  Speaker 2: And also in today's episode, we are gonna be talking
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  Speaker 2: about the ceremony involving said football game, because it was
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  Speaker 2: time to see some incredible people and one person who
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, probably shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 2: but let's be real, he should be in the Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame. Get inducted into the Hall of Fame. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about some of the newest extensions and some
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  Speaker 2: training camp updates as we are getting sept for the
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  Speaker 2: first official week of the NFL preseason, and joining me
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  Speaker 2: as always as my two co hosts, Brandon as Canta
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  Speaker 2: and super Nova.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on, gentlemen? How you doing this evening?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's just another Sunday. We had some football. We
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  Speaker 3: had it very very intriguing performance that we'll touch on
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  Speaker 3: for that Hall of Fame game too. Uh, it's outside
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  Speaker 3: of that preseason started and I am ready to see
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  Speaker 3: some action.
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  Speaker 4: That was a really good preseason gain. And I saw
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  Speaker 4: it like it was actually better than I really gave
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  Speaker 4: you credit for. You know, I was paying attention to
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  Speaker 4: the prospects. I was paying attention to, like if they
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  Speaker 4: could have, you know, a shot at the fifty three
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  Speaker 4: men roster by the time the regular season happens, of
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  Speaker 4: course you have the ceremonies as well, and then a
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  Speaker 4: lot of news happening otherwise, God, let can this heat
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  Speaker 4: wave just end here? Like it's payed like ninety to
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  Speaker 4: one hundred degrees like consistently for the past month or so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about a heat wave.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm in the South Nova, And the best
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  Speaker 2: part is, uh, it has been ninety plus every day
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  Speaker 2: for the last month and a half or so.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what just decided to break today in my
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  Speaker 1: house that eight c ah.
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  Speaker 2: My air conditioning right now is reading seventy nine maybe
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  Speaker 2: in US, And granted we set the temperature at seventy five,
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  Speaker 2: which is already a problem in and of itself.
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  Speaker 3: But diabolical.
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  Speaker 2: I tried talking to two people who think that it's
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  Speaker 2: cold at seventy five. But in all fairness, my late
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  Speaker 2: grandmother was the same. She used to in the summer
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  Speaker 2: sometimes she used to put the temperature at seventy eight
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  Speaker 2: heat are Ye.
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  Speaker 3: That has to be some animia there. Then you can
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  Speaker 3: get that checked out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: If you guys saw a picture of my dad, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, that guy is freezing in Florida. He lived
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  Speaker 2: in New York for forty plus years of his life.
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  Speaker 2: How could he possibly be cold?
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  Speaker 4: Well tight or that.
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  Speaker 2: Or they live in the coastline, they're from the island,
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  Speaker 2: so that probably could explain it as well. But at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, he's also a Cowboys fan. They're always cold.
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  Speaker 4: It's always that.
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  Speaker 2: It's always the Cowboys fans. They're cold in January, they're cold.
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  Speaker 2: In February, they're cold. In March, they're cold. In April,
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  Speaker 2: they're cold when the draft happens. They get a little
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  Speaker 2: warm in May and June, they go guns a blazing
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  Speaker 2: hot in August, and then by October they are ice
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  Speaker 2: cold yet again. But if you believe von Miller right now,
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  Speaker 2: apparently Dak Prescott is gonna win the Lombardi Trophy this year.
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  Speaker 3: Von Miller needs to be checked for CTE.
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  Speaker 2: The fall from Grace on von Miller must be studied
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  Speaker 2: after what he did with that Denver Broncos defense in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, going to the Rams and the Bills, and
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  Speaker 2: we've got some topics on the Bills to discuss later today, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: But outside of that, I mean, it's hot. It's always hot,
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  Speaker 2: and the best time to be hot is football season,
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  Speaker 2: especially with all the seasons starting up now. High school's
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  Speaker 2: coming back, college is coming back, NFL finally is back.
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  Speaker 2: We just had that Hall of Fame game on Thursday night. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think that Hall of Fame game was
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  Speaker 2: gonna be as interesting as it was going to be
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  Speaker 2: between Carolina and Arizona because Arizona wasn't good last year
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  Speaker 2: and Carolina won a division that nobody wanted to win,
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  Speaker 2: And now as it looks like nobody wants to win.
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  Speaker 4: It a game, how does this keep happening? Like there's
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  Speaker 4: always this one division that nobody wants to win. It
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  Speaker 4: ends up in like an quote unquote tank division, And
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  Speaker 4: it's just like it's either the best case scenario for
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  Speaker 4: a franchise or our worst case maybe both. But it
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  Speaker 4: says like all the injuries that you know, we would
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  Speaker 4: expect to be happening. That's Port of San Francisco, forty
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  Speaker 4: nine ers as like, for mean purposes, ends up being
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  Speaker 4: like playing a division, and this time it just chose
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  Speaker 4: the NFC South for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Brandon, you're up in that neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 2: What's the feeling out there in Carolina?
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  Speaker 3: It's really fucking hot, man. If it's not raining, it's hot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man. And the thing is, though, when it rains,
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  Speaker 1: it pours.
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  Speaker 3: My god, it's been doing that shit, dude. I'm so
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  Speaker 3: tired of it, so so my so myself. I broke
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  Speaker 3: one of my mop buckets last week, and I said
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  Speaker 3: it outside because I've just been kind of too lazy
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  Speaker 3: to take it up the road to the trash can
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  Speaker 3: for my apartment. And over the last couple of days,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it rained really really badly, probably two three
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  Speaker 3: nights ago or so. I come back home that night
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  Speaker 3: and it's filled up with water. Pour it out, rain again,
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  Speaker 3: the next day, filled back up again, pour it out,
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  Speaker 3: next day, filled back up again. That's so much rain
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  Speaker 3: we've gotten. For reference, it's like probably a four or
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  Speaker 3: five gallon bucket just sitting in one spot never moving.
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  Speaker 3: So we've gotten a ton of rain here to Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: It's over the last week.
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  Speaker 4: Dang.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's some big rainfall.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, no, I don't even think I could
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  Speaker 2: fill up a bucket with that much rain unless I
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  Speaker 2: fill my pool with it.
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  Speaker 4: A hurricane passes by.
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  Speaker 2: Which surprisingly we haven't had many this year, knock on wood,
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  Speaker 2: which also might bode well with the city of Wallers.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if like you should take that response
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  Speaker 4: to seriously as the joke. I cannot tell it's given
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  Speaker 4: your falcons and I cannot tell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it could go either which way. Much
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  Speaker 2: like a Saints fan in the BAYEU.
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk some freezets and footfall.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yes, Leod's talk some breeze and football. We'll worry
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  Speaker 2: about ruffling the Saints feathers and how much fun it
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  Speaker 2: is to do that. Maybe a little bit later in
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  Speaker 2: the program, but Brandon Nova just brought it up right there.
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  Speaker 2: We had a football game on Thursday night, Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame game, Carolina Panthers Arizona Cardinals. I was thoroughly impressed
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  Speaker 2: with how this game played out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, granted, first quarter, you know, you.
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  Speaker 2: Get the feeling out moments, and then you see all
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  Speaker 2: the points scored in the second quarter. The teams just
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  Speaker 2: started piling on the points, piling on the points. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I was really damn
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  Speaker 2: impressed with Carson Beck. I didn't think he was gonna
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  Speaker 2: make much in the NFL coming in the draft and
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  Speaker 2: arn quickly. He was drafted in the third round this
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  Speaker 2: year by Arizona, so he wasn't even a top, top
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  Speaker 2: tier quarterback. But the young man impressed me on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 3: So I think Carson and back already had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of I don't want to say a lot of hype
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  Speaker 3: going in behind him. But he definitely already had a
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  Speaker 3: name established for himself, you know, having played for Miami.
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  Speaker 3: So I definitely think there were other people who already
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  Speaker 3: had that sort of stereotypical expectation of him. But what
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  Speaker 3: I'm really more, uh, I guess stocked by is the
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  Speaker 3: fact of the big elephant in the room for the Carolinas,
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  Speaker 3: and that is Haines King, this kid who went entirely undrafted,
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  Speaker 3: random random QB from Georgia Tech. No one drafted him.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty two teams passed him over all, seven rounds and
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  Speaker 3: this man come out here looking like the white, slim,
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  Speaker 3: shady Tom Brady from you know, for the Carolina It
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  Speaker 3: was just like, oh, where did this kid come from?
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  Speaker 3: You know, twenty one from thirty four passing into TVs
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  Speaker 3: with a rushing TV himself. If I'm not mistaken to
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  Speaker 3: win the game for the for the Panthers there at
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  Speaker 3: the end. That kid was impressive. That kid was really impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna say the same thing, get a
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  Speaker 4: Carson back. I mean as the first thing that comes
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  Speaker 4: into mind. Whatever I see the preseason, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna see the backups maybe try to earn their
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  Speaker 4: way into the starting line into like the main roster,
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  Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster. But I noticed his first
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  Speaker 4: impressions that we all need to take first impressions with
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  Speaker 4: a great assault. But Carson Beck, hi jitimy looks like
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  Speaker 4: he could be the starter over Jacoby Brissette, because I
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  Speaker 4: need you all to remember Jacoby Brissette. And he won
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  Speaker 4: one game last year for the Cardinals, and he didn't
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  Speaker 4: look terrible, but he looked like he was like either
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  Speaker 4: stat padding or you know, getting all these great status
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  Speaker 4: in in garbage time. Where you know, you throw Carson
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  Speaker 4: Beck potentially into the spotlight and yeah, see what he
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  Speaker 4: has because you know, you know you're getting Kobe Brissette.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't make the basic pocket passer kind of guy,
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  Speaker 4: and when you're throwing something like Carson Beck, you could
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  Speaker 4: see some potential. But uh yeah, I will say as well,
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  Speaker 4: Haines King, he absolutely stole to show in the Hall
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  Speaker 4: of Fame game, including that game winning running touchdown, which
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  Speaker 4: by the way, credit to Dave Canals for calling that one.
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  Speaker 4: But he's just like, it's the pre season, why not
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  Speaker 4: go for it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the same time, you know, he also
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  Speaker 3: had his hamstring stole from him the other day too,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, Haines King's already you know, been bit
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  Speaker 3: by the injury bug as well. Not to touch on
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  Speaker 3: that topic a little too really, but that that can
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  Speaker 3: definitely impress and he definitely got paid the next day too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely gonna be fighting for that roster
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  Speaker 4: spot in for Carolina. But I also really just remembered
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  Speaker 4: another standout from that Hall of Fame game. It's Andrew Billings.
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  Speaker 4: I think that defet to tackle. He was demolishing that
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  Speaker 4: Carolina line for a good majority of the first half.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so go off of that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say this, the Carolina offensive line, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's been hit by a bunch of injuries, but at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, the Carolina offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: Is not that good.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like other offensive lines that we've seen in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. I don't think the cohesion is there, and
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  Speaker 2: it just really helps out when you have players that
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  Speaker 2: Arizona was using against that offensive line. And yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: were right just getting those pressures on Carolina's offense, forcing
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  Speaker 2: Hayes King into situations that he wasn't fully prepared for.
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  Speaker 2: But Hayes King, Yes, I agree, Brandon, he impressed me.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to go to the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame game once again. I want to
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  Speaker 2: go back to Arizona because Nova you brought him up
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  Speaker 2: with Jacoby Brissett. Some of those games last year, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I know, the Cardinals they beat the Cowboys and then
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  Speaker 2: they never won again for the rest of the year,
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  Speaker 2: which sounds not right. Yes, yes, sounds about right. You
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  Speaker 2: have to remember and all of those games, yes, some
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  Speaker 2: of them were blowouts, such as Seattle and San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: and LA. You know the teams that the Cardinals want
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  Speaker 2: to beat because of division rivalry, but he very nearly
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  Speaker 2: beat Atlanta in Week sixteen if it wasn't for CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Henderson somehow catching an interception on the sideline and barely
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  Speaker 2: keeping the ball in bounds. That was impressive by Jacoby
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  Speaker 2: Brissett in that massive losing streak, but also on Arizona's side, guys,
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Brooks was incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I think there were a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 3: stands standouts for that particular game. I think it's I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, for a for a game of backups fighting
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  Speaker 3: for their spot. They definitely had. They definitely had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of standouts for three catches on ninety nine yards.
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  Speaker 3: It's really really good preseason game.
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  Speaker 2: And including that forty nine yarder right up the right sideline,
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  Speaker 2: just a simple go route. And I watched this with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of my co workers about that play. It's
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  Speaker 2: very simple when you're a wide receiver running that nine
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  Speaker 2: round or that go route. If you get on the
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  Speaker 2: outside leverage of that cornerback, the second you reach the corner,
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  Speaker 2: you are open. The quarterback should have that ball already
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  Speaker 2: out on a frozen rope for.
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  Speaker 1: You because you are open.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of cornerbacks, especially in the starter
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  Speaker 2: category or even the reserves, that have that kind of
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  Speaker 2: hip place and where even if they let the outside leverage,
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  Speaker 2: they can turn their hips quick enough to stay with
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  Speaker 2: that receiver running the nine rounte. So for Carson Beck
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  Speaker 2: to play that ball perfectly, for Jordan Brooks to get
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  Speaker 2: that forty nine Jalen Brooks sorry to get that forty
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  Speaker 2: nine yard catch and run. Absolutely flawless performance by Carson
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  Speaker 2: Beck on that play.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I said I think he had a certain
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  Speaker 3: amount of expectation going into the NFL anyway, just because
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  Speaker 3: of how well he performed at Miami.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a reason that the Hurricanes reached the
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  Speaker 4: National Championship Game in fact in Miami that year. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Indiana was a team of destiny. But I will say
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  Speaker 4: going through this preseason game makes me more excited to
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  Speaker 4: go through the regular season in a month's time with
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  Speaker 4: this recording, because once we get the full slate of
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  Speaker 4: sixteen games to go through, Like, yeah, maybe some recasts
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  Speaker 4: will be briefer than this, but this just makes me
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  Speaker 4: more excited for the.
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  Speaker 1: Future Nova's youth there Brandon because he just said sixteen
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  Speaker 1: game regular season.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, youth, No, he did it be sixteen game regular seasons.
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  Speaker 4: I like the sixteen games when the thirty two teams.
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  Speaker 1: But they're seventeen games.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but they're sixteen in a weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It's five weeks, all okay? And I thought of it
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  Speaker 1: wrong there myself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So there was a little bit of lost in
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  Speaker 2: translation there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, there was a period where it was sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe that they're trying to put eighteen games
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  Speaker 4: in the regular season. I don't think that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: In all fairness.
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  Speaker 2: I have heard their proposal for a NOVA, and my
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  Speaker 2: thought of it is this, if they can get two
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  Speaker 2: by weeks in a regular season, I think I'm okay
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  Speaker 2: with it. But I really hope that they can get
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: the Monday after the super Bowl to be declared a
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  Speaker 2: federal bank holiday, so nobody has to go to work
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  Speaker 2: on the Monday after the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Cleared the nation wide holiday anyway, stayed in federal level,
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  Speaker 3: and we're we're all just golden.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, you know, this makes me excited for
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  Speaker 4: when we get a full sixteen game week to go through. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, it before. You know, some recaps will
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  Speaker 4: be briefer than others, but you know, doing recaps like
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  Speaker 4: now makes me excited for what we're going to be
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  Speaker 4: going through in a month's time.
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  Speaker 1: You are absolutely correct there, man.
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  Speaker 2: Now, outside of the names that we just mentioned, we
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  Speaker 2: have to throw it out there that, yes, in this game,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't see players like Bryce Young, we didn't see
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  Speaker 2: players at Tenorroa McMillan, We didn't see Jeremiah Love And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I really would have wanted to see Jeremiah play in
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  Speaker 2: this game. But at the same time, I'm okay with
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  Speaker 2: the Panthers playing it's safe on Bryce and Tetoroa, especially
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  Speaker 2: with what I've been hearing from Panthers' training camp that
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  Speaker 2: Bryce and Tetoroa are getting that scary connection of a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback with their favorite number one target.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm, oh hey, we're just not gonna go for anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but like a connection. I don't waiting for responsibi.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know we were.
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  Speaker 2: We were We were like lost in thought right there,
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  Speaker 2: like like Brandon was thinking like.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, how do I respond to this?
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  Speaker 4: And here I just like waiting for Brandon ever someone
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  Speaker 4: because I thought my turn was over, but I guess
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  Speaker 4: I'll take it from here. You know, development quarterback received
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  Speaker 4: for connection, it's always important, and you know we saw
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  Speaker 4: one season a tyrot McMillan, but he definitely made Bryce
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  Speaker 4: Young's job a lot easier. And Okay, this is gonna
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  Speaker 4: be reason biased for myself because you know, Bryce Young
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  Speaker 4: is a modern day product from southern California high school
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's finally good to see Bryce Young actually
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  Speaker 4: look not like completely number one overall pick hype, but
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  Speaker 4: a solid quarterback hype, which I think is a good
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  Speaker 4: thing for Bryce's.
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  Speaker 3: Bryce definitely took a lot of time to development. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sitting over here just like, okay, side because of I
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  Speaker 3: whenever he played for Alabama, I thought, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: an Alabama fan, that he was always kind of just
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  Speaker 3: like really mediocre. Like he definitely wasn't, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: kind of UBI prospect that we were used to for
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  Speaker 3: the Tide. So it was definitely he definitely had his
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  Speaker 3: own play style that weirdly fit into Nick Saban's offense there.
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  Speaker 3: But I definitely think it took him. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was last season where he got benched for the Red Rocket.
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  Speaker 3: Andy Dalton a couple of games, and then whenever he
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  Speaker 3: came back, he was just like, you know what I
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: do know how to play football, so let's play football.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: That's what we call a factory reset.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And I believe he was benched one time last year, Brandon,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: but he was also that season that you're talking about
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: where he was benched for Andy Dalton. He was benched
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four because I remember Atlanta went into Carolina.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: That was when Atlanta had a stretch of three straight
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: NFC South matchups and one of them was Carolina, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Atlanta won that game against Andy Dalton and the Panthers.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: That's when Kirk Cousins was still our quarterback and starting
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to come alive as Kirk o chains in November.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I know it's October.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: You like that, dude, that's about that's not about ten
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: years old. Think about it. That that come back when
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: when he was in Washington, that seems about to be
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: ten years old and iconic you know, either mean culture
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: or sports fandom.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I mean it, it is iconic for Kirk Cousins to
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: have that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: You like that, and honestly he did well.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Uh that stretched for Atlanta, but that was also when
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: he actually had an arm now I don't know if
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: he has an arm.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I think his arms kind of flaing a little bit,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: but it kind of kind of steer us back into,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the right direction here with Bryce Young. It's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: it's nice to see. It's nice to see. I'm from
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: an Alabama fan perspective, a you know, Obama prospect to
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: start coming into his own, you know, over the last
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: few seasons, and I and as someone who is also
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the Carolina resident, you know, I do hope that he
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: can continue that trend because the Calm Panthers really haven't
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: had much success in the NFL front since Cam Newton
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and they went on that run, that almost near perfect
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: undefeated run wherever they kind of choked there to Atlanta
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: cough cough to ruin their undefeated streak and then turn
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: around and just get decimated by Denver in the Super Bowl.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: No, I think the moment that the whole Cam Newton
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: regime collapsed wasn't the Super Bowl. I think it was
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen nineteen when they lost to the Steelers on
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Thursday Football that just never won a game again and
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: they were never the same after that. However, I want
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: to go back to the whole proud of being Bryce
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Young because you have your bias because he was from Alabama.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I got mine when he was in high school.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: In modern day, and I've got my bias that he
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't do well because he's in the division.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Isn't that fun?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: But it feels like right now Bryce Young is the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: new Jamis Winston.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well in the sense of.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That Bryce Young seems to play his best, like his
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: absolute best when the Atlanta Falcons are his opponent.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Or what he goes like I said, rams twice in
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: one year.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Also true.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Anyway, we are gonna have Kirk Cousins pop up again
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: in the later segment of this episode. But we have
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: more things to talk about, and let's talk about the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famers. And I'm pretty sure, Talent, you have
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: like two people you want to talk to because of
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the division purposes.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's discuss the enshrinement ceremony, gentlemen, because as
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: we know, around this time with Canton, Ohio, five individuals
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: got those busts and we got to hear some incredible
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: speeches from some very deserving players. And we're gonna go
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in order of those Hall of Fame inductees. So we
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: are gonna start with Larry the living legend. Fitzgerald wide receiver,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: arguably one of the best hands in the history of
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the NFL. And funnily enough, we just got finished talking
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: with the Arizona Cardinals and here we are talking about
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing Larry Fitzgerald absolutely deserves. I mean the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: playmaking that he does, you know, two and four to
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty. Yes, like his career. He kind of called
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: it like a year late. I think he went out
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: at the season during the COVID era. But you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald, I mean I got into the NFL rather late.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: But the like, the first thing I remember from Larry
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Fitzgerald was that twenty sixteen NFC Digital Round between the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Packers and the car and Larry Fitzgerald just needing two
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: plays to beat the Packers in overtime. I mean that
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: was just the classic game in itself, but that cemented
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Fitzgerald's legend in Arizona.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I still remember that game as well.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And we also have to remember that in that game
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you just mentioned Nova and Brandon. I think we can
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: talk about this that had two hail Mary's from Aaron
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Rodgers in that game as well, which is just incredible
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that even with the Hail Marys and Aaron Rodgers praying
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to his fictitious God, it was Larry Fitzgerald who found
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Christ and got the victory for his team.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I keep in mind Rogers had no receivers during that
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: game because I think a lot of them were injured
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and they had to rely on the special teamers Janice.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Look, Jannis wasn't terrible as a receiver, Like, even though
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: he was fairly special days, he wasn't terrible.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: He wasn't terrible, But like give with the situation he
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: had no receivers th Jannis being the best receiver. It
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: was honestly funny. But hey, there's there's a living proof Janus.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry. Sorry. At the same time, you know, Larry
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald is probably going to be one of probably the
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: don't quote me on this exact number, so I'm just
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: going to use the I'm just going to use the terminology.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: A few players in the NFL to have as consistently
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: successful career as he had and did it all with
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: just that one team. Also, looking at his lifetime stat's
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: no one has had I very rarely have I ever
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: heard anybody talk about how over you know, two thousand
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: and four to twenty twenty time friend that he played
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: had just over two thousand targets on him and only
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: had thirteen fumbles.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That is absolutely incredible to think about in sixteen years,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you only had thirteen fumbles Like that is efficiency for
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Larry fitzgeralden. I remember growing up, my brother was a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: big fan of Larry fitzhow to the point where sometimes
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys were like this growing up,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: but did you ever have a friend of yours that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: you just played like football at the park or you
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: guys maybe just went out in the backyard your friends
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and every time you threw up a ball, you knew
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that that kid was going to catch the ball. It
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: just didn't matter.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: See, you have a problem with that For me personally,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I never had any friends growing up.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, Man didn't have any France growing up. Man didn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: watch SpongeBob as a kid grow up, just didn't have
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: a childhood growing up.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna disclose it. I'm just gonna say,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you guys like show.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but my brother back then, uh, he was like
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: we actually called him Larry at times. Just because he
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: was catching balls that shouldn't have been caught. It was
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that incredible. His hands were that easy to they were
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: just smooth to catch. And that's just impressive for Larry Fitzgerald.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely deserving that he's in the Hall of Fame and
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in all famous Brandon, I'm actually surprised that I didn't
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: know that he was a ball boy for the Minnesota
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Vikings during that nineteen ninety eight season with Dennis Green.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Man's been around for a hot minute, longer than we realize.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely has been around for a hot minute. But moving
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on from.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald, we're gonna go in crople order of the presentations,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and next up is a man who, as we know
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: from the famous Rich Eisend quote, punters are people too well,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: in this situation, kickers are people too as man, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: we are gonna now talk about Adam Vinnit Terry. He
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: only played for the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: one of the most reliable place kickers in NFL history.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And Brandon, I'm gonna let.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You take the lead on this because I've got some
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I've got some thoughts on Adam VINITII that I will say,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: but since you are the resident Patriot here, let's hear
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: from your opinion about Adam Vinetaire.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Man was just automatic obviously, like aunee kicker. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have days where he misses, you know, a
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: pat or you know, a field goal here and there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think he ever really averaged more than eight
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: misses on a field goal per season. But I know
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: that just during the period of time that he was
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: with New England, which I believe he started in nineteen
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: ninety six, I don't think he ever scored below one
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: hundred points for US every single season that he was
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: a Patriot. Just single handedly, his foot got us at
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: least one hundred points from ninety six to like two
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: thousand and five, two thousand and six.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: That is really reliable, and especially during the Dynasty run,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: where you know, didn't really expect about that the Patriots
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: until you know they blossomed the way they did. I mean,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that's probably a different discussion because Dinitarry had comments for
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Brady during the speech, but you know, it doesn't matter
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: how like you rate a quarterback. But finit Terry doing that,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I think pretty sure he wasn't a super bowling squad
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: for the Colts and ASB forty one if I re
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: membory series correctly, and four Super Bowl rings a twenty
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: three year career episode.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where I'm gonna come out, Brendan,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna at least say this from my vantage
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: front of end, because again I love that Inventitarry as
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a placekicker. Thought he was absolutely incredible, and we got
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a shout out that twenty fourteen season. I know it
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: was with Indianapolis, it was not with your Patriots, but
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the man only missed one field goal attempt in sixteen games.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That is unimaginable consistency that I don't even think Justin
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Tucker had him one point.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Sorry to Nova on Matt.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I rather not talk about him
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: because like that's like a kicker that I wish was
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: still in the league, but he can't dishinned himself out
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: of the league.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So at least from my vantas point, Brandon, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: this is where I'm gonna get a little bit. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: got the tin boiled hat on and everything on this one.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: People try to say that our super Bowl, super Bowl
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: fifty one was rigged, that they wanted Tom Brady to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: come back from twenty five down to beat Atlanta. You
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: know how they say, you know, some people say that,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I got him laughing.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: First of all, First of all, if it is Brady
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: coming back from twenty five down and against an offense
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: that was as high octane as Atlanta's offense was that year,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: was I I don't know that honestly, if you could
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: have scripted that, Like there were the adjustments that were
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: made after half time in England. Gave up that first
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the second half, you know, beginning of the third quarter
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: touchdown run. I think it was to DeVonta Freeman there
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to you know, start off the second half, and then
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: after that it was just kind of just all over
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: from there.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So again I don't buy into that belief by
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the way, that that Super Bowl.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: No, no one should believe that any games scripted, If
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: any games scripted, then you need to get your mind checked.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Well well, well, hold well, hold on, hold on, hold on,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: hold on. I said I got the ten I said,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I got the tin boiled cap on. Here is the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: ten boiled calf of every suit Super Bowl that the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Patriots won, the only one that I will make a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: case that was rigged was that very first one. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: super Bowl thirty six six against these Rams, against the Rams,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the greatest show on turf. The reason why I say that,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Brandon is very simple. Going into Super Bowl thirty six,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it was in New Orleans and they had the Super
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Bowl thirty six logo. It was a Marty Graw themed
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: logo because again it's New Orleans. What else are you
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: going to make that logo up? But then we had
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: September eleventh happen, and again, Nova, you're too young, you
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: don't we know, we know where you were when nine
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to eleven happened.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Oh no, don't worry. History teachers caught me up on that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but but we know where you were
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: when eleven hit.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: But yes we do.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You weren't alive.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: That's why saying you don't, because how were you supposed
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to know?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: That hurt?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: But getting back to the conspiracy theory, after September eleventh happened,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that Marty Gras logo disappeared. It disappeared, It was never
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: used again. In another piece of promotional material for that
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, in its place was a image of the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Continental US. Sorry to Alaska, Hawaii, are not part of
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the Continental US, but that became the logo for Super
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Bowl thirty six, the Continental United States with the American
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: flag motif. A team named the Patriots makes the Super.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Bowl and wins the game on a game winning.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Field goal with on the clock, and the owner of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the team says, and I quote, we are all Patriots.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Tell me when I'm telling lies that that Super Bowl
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: can be the only one that you can make any
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: sort of a cojun argument that it was rigged.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, you should probably just bet your
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: tinfoil hat to the side and just kind of, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: just remember it. Remember it exists. And that was the
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: beginning of a dynasty.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And again and again, I know that's where a little
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: bit of the argument happens, where it's like, oh, but
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: they won two more after that, Yes, I can see that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And those also were won by field goals. Mind you,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the third one wasn't well, oh no, no, the third
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: one was against Carolina.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm no, the second one against Carolina. The third
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: one was Philadelphia.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But I thought that one was one. I thought that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: was twenty four to twenty one, if I remember correctly.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, no, they didn't win by a field
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: goal at Philadelphia. I know they won thirty eight at
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: their The game was tied at twenty nine apiece.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Uh it says twenty four to twenty one for a
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: final for Super Bowl thirty nine.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, but don't remember if it was the last second
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: field goal that was made?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Uh oh yeah, okay, so it was great.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: So there was a thirty yard touchdown.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so it wasn't a game winning field goal,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: but it was still a three point three point game.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: You're talking about They talking about the Carolina Super Bowl,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: right or North Carolina went like eleven to five that year.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's talking about that one that happened to thirty eight.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: But he got confused. But the field goal thing, the
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: thirty nine between the Patriots and the Eagles.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, about to say, yeah, no, Carolina, the Carolina Super
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Bowl is absolutely won by a field goal because vinitary
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: would kicked the field goal to win that Super Bowl too.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: But but again, like that, that is my conspiracy theory
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: of any game.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: That is the only one that I will say.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Now again, the argument can be made, Oh but the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: NFL or but he's still won two more after that. Okay, Yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: it's because he got more into the system, he understood
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: it more, and the Patriots just took off as a dynasty.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: But again, I only do that game. Of all the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of NFL games that have been played,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that is the only one that I will ever say
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: has a cojuin argument to be there may have been
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: some miscellaneous behind the scenes going on.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Can we move on?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, we can move on because we're not gonna.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Fight fun fight real quick, fun fight real quick to
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: kind of hurt Nova's feelings here a little bit. So
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: we were discussing kicker stats and in the process I
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: decided to look up Justin Tucker's stats because we made
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the comment about how Adamvinitary missed a missed one field
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: goal that year in that year in Indianapolis. ESPN doesn't
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: even have his stats at all.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: That's unbelievable.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: His page right now, there are no stats for his
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: time in the NFL because he has shunned himself. I
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: assume that these things go hand in hand. But for
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the stats, and I only looked at ESPN page right now,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it says no available information.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That is unfortunate.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But that's a good transition point there, Brandon, so let's
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: move on from Adam Vin and Terryberg. So we're going
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: from offense, we went to special teams. Let's go to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the other side of the football that you need to
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: win a game, and that is defense. And this one
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is fun for me because, ah, Keith Lee, what what
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: what do I have to say about number fifty nine
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: for the Carolina Panthers.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: That he was a defensive genius for Carolina. He's probably
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: one of the best defensive players to ever cross that
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: franchise's path.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And in all fairness, uh novo, what was your thoughts
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: on uh louke Keighley? Because again I will save myself
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: for for this one.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I mean the highlands that I seen. You know, I
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: trid to look like a because I haven't seen in
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: his performances and sometime, because you know, there's like a
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: five year period in order to enter the Hall of Fame.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: But you know, a little surprised that I saw initially
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: when Keighley retired what I thought was early because Keighley,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: he was insane at the linebacker position. He could, you know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: read the defensive coverage, you could get interceptions, he could
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: sack the quarterback, stock the runs. You know, he is
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: a really smart linebacker. It just sucks he that one
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Siper Bowl chance they had a zyber Bulle fifty, you
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: know the offense where the Panthers stuttered.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: At the end.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: But that's kind of a different discussion for another day.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: But a big reason why the Panthers were as relevant
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: as they were up until that twenty eighteen nineteen season
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: collapse was because of a combination of great play and
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: you know, smart techniques by the Panthers and especially Luke Keighley.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly, when it comes to Keighley again as
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a division opponent, you would think, I don't want to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: see any NFC South people in the Hall of Fame.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And if to anybody who thinks that, I'm gonna tell
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: you there's a wall, go argue with it, because there
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: are players that I believe from the NFC South, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about another one very soon that
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: if I would have said that that person's not a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame or then I really would have needed
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a cat scan and a rubber room at the puzzle
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: factory for that one. But we'll discuss number nine in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a minute. Let's talk about number fifty nine again and Honestly,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: when it came to Luke Keighley, I will say this,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: he was one of my favorite linebackers because, like Nova
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: you just said it, his ability to study offenses from
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the linebacker position. There's a reason he was the captain
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of that defense for as many years as he was.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He came into the league. He was I believe he
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: was defensive Rookie of the year. He led the league
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: in tackles in his rookie year.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Then the very next year he's the defensive player of
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the Year.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Like to go from the best rookie in the NFL
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: to the best player in the NFL on your side
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the ball is no small feat in and of itself.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So watching how he played, and again I agree, I
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: hate that his career ended after only eight seasons. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: think he could have gone at least ten, maybe eleven.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I know he had a I think he had some
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: concussion issues, which is what.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I believe that's what caused him to retire at such
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a young age because he wanted to have a life
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: with his family.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely commendable there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And the only thing that I will say, and again
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: this is from the falcon side, I love the fact
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: that Brandon. You alluded to it that twenty fifteen season
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: when Carolina had that Super Bowl run loss to Atlanta.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Who did Julio Jones Moss on that seventy yard touchdown?
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: But I was terrified whenever I said every time I
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: saw that man mot somebody.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I loved that play.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And I know even Keith has said it himself that
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: he saw Matt Ryan roll out to the left. He
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: saw Matt Ryan just point and fire that ball, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: all he's sees like he's ready to catch that ball
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and intercept it, and then he just sees these two
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: bar mits come over on top of him, and he's like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: what the hell? So that is again that is a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: fun thing about Louke Keighley. But again, outside of him,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he reminded me a lot of Ryan Carrigan as well
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to study opposing offenses and
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: just work your defense and get your guys in position.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So Keith Lee from a Falcons fan, congratulations man. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: may argue about him being a first ballot Hall of Famer,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: but I don't think there's.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of argument there.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I'm only argument I ever have a sample size, But
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: that's debatable.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And and that and that'd be the argument a sample size.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: But again, congratulations, salute Keekley. It was deserved. He he
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: was gonna be a Hall of Famer.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: But let's move. I'm sorry you had something noble.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna have one more person to say congratulations
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: in TURS the NSC South Frankleys and you could get
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: to it right now. It's uh cornack, I want.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to save him. I wanted to save him.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: A yeah, I know, well.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: True might as well in all fairness.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I loved at the beginning where I guess Chris Berman
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: had that little line where it's like the only thing
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I have negative about this guy is you picked Perdue
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: over Brown like like that. That was funny, and it
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: was also funny to hear him say how the hell
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Perdue got this kid from Central Texas to go to
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: West Lafayette, Indiana.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I'll never know, but.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: That that's college for you. They're gonna find enticing offers
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they will find those enticing offers. And it was
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: also nice for him to shout out Ladani and Tom
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Oninson because I mean, again, Nova, well young for you.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But you did get to see some of LT's performances.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But Brandon and I remember, if you saw twenty one
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: in the backfield for the San Diego Chargers, good luck
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: tackling that man.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep. Just imagine Drew Brees had
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: spent his whole career with San Diego.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Didn't he request the trade out if I remember?
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Nope, they moved on from Drew Brees whenever they drafted
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers and decided to keep him around over Drew Brees.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: How's the another thing, because that Philip Rivers like Manning.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But also when he was in San Diego, he dove
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: for a fumble and he hurt his throat.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was his throwing shoulder.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, I believe it was around the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: time they drafted Philip Rivers. Brandon and going into that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: free agency, he was very close to going to Miami
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: because of Nick Saban, because Saban was still coaching Miami, and.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I would have loved to have seen Yeah, sorry, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: would have loved to have seen Saban, you know, have
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: an actual successful NFL career as I head coach. But
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Miami didn't want to let him do anything that he
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: actually wanted to do. So he said fuck it and
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: went back to Alabama or he went, you know, back
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to the college football world where he wound up going
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: to Alabama. But yeah, I know Drew Brees, Uh, he
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: had I remember that injury. I think it was into
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the end of the two thousand and five regular season
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: where I think I want to say they were playing
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: against Dinburgh or it was somebody else from the AFC
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: West to where he did. He it was to his
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: throwing shoulder. It was it was a dislocation and tear
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to his throwing shoulder that Jeppard used his career here
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: five years into his career, and then he turned around
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: and did all this.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking it up right now, and you were
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you were correct.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: It was against the Denver Broncos, against John Lynch, of
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: all people, is who made the hit.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: That tore his labor.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Kind of kind of fitting that one of the hardest
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: hitting safeties in the NFL uh tore the labor of
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Drew Brees's shoulder. But that checks out, It does check out.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: But then we have to talk about when he went
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: there to that city with that team.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I keep in mind they were devastated by Hurricane Katrina.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Like early on into Breeze's time in New Orleans, so
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: had some motivation there.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And and in all fairness, I'm not that callous when
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: it comes to the city of New Orleans. Again, I'm
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: in Florida, so I know about hurricanes and how they
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: can ravage a city, how they can ravage an area.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: And it was a nightmare for New Orleans because some
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: people literally lost everything in that storm. So I commend
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the city of New Orleans for what they did to
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: rebuild that city. I commend them beyond believe. That might
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: be one of the only things nice I say about.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The new.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Cutting out acting him.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: No, there there's no there's no tinfoil on that one.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: But yes, he went to New Orleans. And honestly, New
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Orleans was a stick in the mud anyway. I mean
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: they had Aaron Brooks as their quarterback. They really were
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: taking a crap shoot on somebody as their quarterback because
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Aaron Brooks was not good, especially with the Aaron Brooks'
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: lineage included a guy like Michael Vick. So that shows
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: New Orleans was desperate. And yes, they took a shot
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: on Drew Brees and that two thousand and nine season, Man,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I'm look, say what you want about New Orleans, and
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: if you're a Falcons fan, there are words that you
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: can say about that season. But yeah, I mean New
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Orleans was just that freaking good with Drew Brees as
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: their quarterback. I know they had a stretch. I think
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: it was what three straight years of them finishing seven
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and nine, But in all, I believe in all three
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of those years were when Drew Brees threw for five
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: thousand yards. Now, granted, when your defense can't stop a nosebleed,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: then your quarterback probably has a shot at throwing five
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: thousand yards, especially, but when your quarterback is six feet
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and all this offensive linemen are taller than him, how
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: is he supposed to see his receivers? Said that line
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that when he was in San Diego. He said it
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: in the quarterback room when the coaches told him, why
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: didn't you throw it to this guy because he was open?
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: And he was like, because I see him, I can't
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: see him short.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was an argument that I had for
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: the longest time, is how the hell was Drew Brees
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: able to see and make the plays that he did
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: when the rest of the NFL was taller than him,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Like im ass tall as Drew Brees is, for God's sakes,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: But for the years that you're referencing, I believe it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen sixteen where he went it was a seven
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: and nine for those three straight years. I want to say,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: in the middle of that pack he went seven and
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: eight and then just let the backup QB take over
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: for a game. But yeah, I think he I think
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: he threw just below five thousand yards in two of
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: those seasons, which even still is still phenomenal for you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the shortest for the for the White Chris Rock of
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: the league. You know, also, is that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Good time we've done this, Brandon.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, but but getting back to let's get back to
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: talk about Drew Brees again. I mean five seasons of
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: five thousand passing yards, including five four hundred and seventy
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: six and that twenty eleven season, which absolutely is incredible
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to think about that he threw from nearly fifty five
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: hundred yards and that's three miles that he threw the football.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: And I remember correctly he said if you take the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: yards that he threw either was him or it was
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Chris Berman, that that would total I think forty six miles.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Which is halfway to Baton Rouge from from New Orleans.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Let's say, looks like, was it eighty thousand yards he threw.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Four and fifty eight.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: And fifty eight two miles is forty five miles.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's halfway from New Orleans to Baton Rouge,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: which is insane to think of.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: The man was halfway from the city that adopted him
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: and the city he said that he would literally die
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: for and almost did.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: At one point.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I remember there was a we're not going to get
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: into that discussion about Drew Brees. Well, we knowed the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: argument that I would bring up that he very nearly
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: did with some quotes that he said.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: In his post playing career. But I digress.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I still remember, and I liked them talking about it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: That game against Washington on Monday Night Football where he
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: broke the record for passing yards in a career, and
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: as a Falcons fan, you want to say screw him.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you're a realist in
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: the NFL, you are happy that that happened. And I'll
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: admit I was happy for Drew Brees setting that record.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I think they probably could have lessened the time of
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the celebration because I wanted to get back to the
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: football game.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: But I don't remember that game. I thought it was
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: very strange to celebrate that in the middle of the game.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: And then you and I also you celebrate that, and
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: then you just remember Lebron James doing that whole thing
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: when he got the most points in the NBA and
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: the whole segment. Yeah. I mean, the one thing I
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: last sing I will say about Drew Brees that I
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: really wish you would have made tiper with fifty three
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: or for arrest missing that ni kelby Nikel Roby Coleman
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: pass interference.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know what what are you talking about?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: That was?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: That was a perfectly legal defensive play by Nikel Roby Coleman.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Completely legal, yeah crime.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm always saying this because, like I know, I'm
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: surrounded by Rams fans in my area. I really wish
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: that New Orleans he made the Super Bowl because I
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: argued I was like the worst penalty you probably no
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: worse no call you probably ever see it. And I
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: know my city benefited from it. But the rest of
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: the end of DL community was outraged. But that's like
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: the last thing I'll say.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Well, well, well except Atlanta.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Atlanta was fine with that because we didn't want to
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: see New Orleans with the Super Bowl in our stadium.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Like but also important to note in that game Nova,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: because you know, some Saints fans want again, they can
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: go all they want about the no call, which Atlanta
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: fans believe it was a good no call.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: But let's think of it this way. They had the.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Two minute warning and they were in field goal range.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Why are you and keep in mind the Rams had
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: less than three timeouts coming out of the two minute warning.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Why are you throwing the ball on first down and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: ten knowing that an incomplete pass is the same as
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: giving them a timeout.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: That strike one.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: In comparison, it's the same thing as throwing the ball
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: against the Patriots when olvery all you have to do
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: is run it before you get stripsacked.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I know, but but again, that that strike one for
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the Saints fans. Strike number two, your defense had a
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: chance to stop the Rams from getting the game tying
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: field goal and forcing overtime. Your defense couldn't do that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Strike three, and this is the biggest one, which is
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: why most Falcons fans don't really I mean again, yea,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: most Falcons fans were never gonna have sympathy for the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Saints getting screwed in that game. But strike three, the
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Saints had the ball first in overtime. If the Saints
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: scored a touchdown, game was over. You're going to the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: super Bowl. And they couldn't even score and the Rams
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: got that. Was it sixty one yard field?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Was it sixty?
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's fifty seven in overtime? Fifty seven?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was. It was something like.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: That, but yeah, it was seven fifty seven I remember
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: right now, it's fifty seven.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: But outside of that, like I said to you guys,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: there are certain players in the NFC South where, even
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: as an Atlanta Falcons fan, I'm a realist. If I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: think that they're a Hall of famer, they're a Hall
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of famer. And as much as Drew Brees was a
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: thorn in Atlanta's side, two things can be true. Number One,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Drew Brees and Matt Ryan single handedly made the Falcon
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Saints' rivalry as great as it was outside of the
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: geographical at impacts of that rivalry. And two, almost every
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Falcons fan out there, even though they won't publicly admitted it,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: like I am Drew Brees was and now is a
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Especially since he'd beat out fifteen times and you only
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: be himy man.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: But before we get to the final player, I am
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: gonna throw this out you Tube, because again I just
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: said it, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Do you guys think Matt Ryan will be getting a
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: gold jacket?
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: I do, but it won't be first ballot.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: It won't be first ballot Matt.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: And that's what I agree with as well. I have
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: said Matt Ryan is probably.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Third or fourth year Hall of Famer maybe.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he gets in second year, that's incredible,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: But if he won that Super Bowl, he would have
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: been first ballt very simple. If he would have won
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl, first ballot guarantee. But without that Super Bowl,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Third year is probably his best bet.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: But let's get into it, guys, because we do have
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: one more player to talk about that got enshrined into
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, and that would be Roger Craig
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl twenty three champion.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Or not twenty three? Well, what was it that they won.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Nineteen or this is sixteen?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, nineteen. Yeah, so back in the day for this
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: one for Roger Craig, guys, And to be completely honest,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know much about Roger Craig's playing career.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Here four Super Bowls, Yeah.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I mean I really didn't know much about his playing career.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at his stats right now just
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: so that way I can have a little bit of
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: extra information on him.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: And I mean he had three seasons of at least
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: a thou yards on the ground, including that nineteen eighty
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: five season where he was I think he might have
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: been the first running back in history to get a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: thousand yards on the ground in one thousand yards in
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: the air.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: That was gonna say. That's like the first thing that
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I remembered about Roger Craig when doing research for this episode.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but outside of that, I honestly didn't know much
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: about him. Now, granted, I didn't have much information on
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers at that time. I mean, naturally,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: we all remember guys like Ronnie Lott, which he mentioned
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: in his speech, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, like like the
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Big now, Dwight Clark with the catch that broke Cowboys, fans, hearts,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and good fashion.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: We might add.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Roger Craig was in fact the first NFL player to
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: have a one K one K season.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: All right, so I was so I was right on that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Yay.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: My thing is looking over his stats, because like you,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I was very unfamiliar with Roger Craig as well, because
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: he was definitely before my time. It looks like his
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: last year playing was in ninety three and I was
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: only two years old, so I definitely have no recollection
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: of this poor you know, Novo over here probably wasn't
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: even the thought or of glint and his daddy's I was.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even I was one of my dad's.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: All right, cool, So I had a grandfather group lovely.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm just over here. I'm over here just looking
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: at the Super Bowl twenty four, is just looking at
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: it and says I won his third ring when San
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Francisco beat the Denver Broncos fifty five to ten.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and that was like another one of those
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: blouse Super Bowls that the Niners had.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Which, in all fairness, this is a very fun uh
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: stat about that every time the Broncos made the Super
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Bowl and they wore those Orange jerseys.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: They always got blown out phenomenal.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: But we do have to take a little bit of
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: a somber turn, at least with Roger Craig, because I mean,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: you guys saw what happened with his speech, right.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of why we saved this thing for
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: a last because we kind of do need to make
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: us a little bit of a serious time.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I did not see that. I did not actually look
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: at the Hall of Fame speeches, so this will be
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: news to me.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: So what happened with his speech? Brandon? Now, at first,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, there's.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: A video being played on the on the screen at
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame ceremony, and they keep panning to
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: this guy in the crowd, and I'm like, wait a minute,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: this is Roger Craig. Why is there a video playing
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and not him at the podium talking? And I didn't
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: make much of it at the time, except for naturally
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: being like, okay, why is he not at the podium.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: This is his time, This is his speech where he
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: gets to shout out everybody, which again he did in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: his speech. But apparently during his speech, he announced that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: he has been diagnosed with vascular dementia. And when when
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I heard those words, I was again at first I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's why he's not at the podium.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: But it was just so sad to hear that about
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: about this man, because again I didn't know much about him,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: but it was just like, you have four guys that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: were able to talk at the podium and this guy isn't.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Lot.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe there was something that the NFL did
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: where maybe like he submitted a speech or something like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: that and there wasn't enough time to edit the speech
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and have it like proof reading set up for the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: actual broadcast. But for that to happen, man, I felt
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: so sad for him. I felt really sad.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say the same thing, you know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: an I guess health concerns, you know, especially now Hall
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: of Famer Rotcher Craig. You know, it's sad to see
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: because like we saw this earlier with the Chris Johnson
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: als thing, but this just adds on to the pain
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: that is the life of a human being and.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Sports.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the only day you gotta say, is
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: I really hope Rocher Craig recovers or at least puts
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: up a good fight against that Dementsia and I really
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: hope for the best.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hope for the best two with with
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Roger Craig. I mean as of today, I mean he
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: is he's only sixty six years old, and he's got
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: UH and he's got dementia, which again, I mean, is
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: that a byproduct of him playing NFL? Maybe a little bit,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: especially with the fact that back then, you know, defensive
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: players were allowed to take offensive players heads off if
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: they showed shows. I mean nova in the background. You've
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: got a nice white Ravens jersey with the number fifty five.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: At least you have the information to know, like Brandon
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and I knew that if you were playing against the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens when.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Fifty five was on that defense, just try throwing over
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field, I dare you.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Nowadays it's number zero. Hopefully ro Kwan Smith has to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: find us back a year this year. But man, anytime
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: you see Torrell Suggs in the linebacking Cord, you had
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: to plan around him.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Brandon, any thoughts on Roger Craig.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Just looking over his stats, he seemed to be generally
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: a very well rounded player. He definitely seemed to be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: a very key pivotal piece to that Niners offense, especially
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: there in those three Super Bowl runs in four years,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: which is as we know from more modern day memory,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: you know, more modern day memories is very hard to do. So,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: you know, vascular dementias not quite the same as Alzheimer's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: considering you know the fact that the dimensional effect is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: affected more mentally than Alzheimer's would, you know, physically for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: individual people. So being sixty six with dementias and stuff,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: it will be a struggle. So hopefully he's got some
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: he's got some good healthcare, you know, good you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: health care providers going around for him and you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: helping him at least transition to whatever his life may
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: become as a result of this.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So again we send our we send our thoughts
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and prayers out to Roger Craig and his family. We
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: hope that he lives a full life and gets you know,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: gets a lot more years on this planet with all
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: the NFL. But at least he can say that he
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: is an NFL Hall of Famer and absolutely deserve to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: be joining his Fortyers brethren with a gold jacket.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: And that is every day about the Hall of Fame.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Done that is everything with the Hall of Fame, and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: now we get set for well, actually one final thing
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: with the Hall of Fame, because I am going to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: pull up the Hall of Fame twenty twenty seven ballot
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: because I just want to talk about some of those players.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: So this is from NBC Sports Boston first ballot potential players.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: We have Gronkowski, we have Adrian Peterson, we have Big Ben,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: you got Richard Sherman, Antonio Brown, Cam Newton, Andrew Whitworth,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Eric Weddle, Gerald McCoy, I've got thoughts on him, Joe Hayden,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins, Brandon Brooks, Dante high Tower, and Ryan Carrigan.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Those are just new players on the ballot, guys.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Because if we're talking about returning finalists, you've got Bill Belichick,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Eli Manning, Frank Gore, Torelli, Joan re Evans, Jason Witten,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Marshall Yonder, Reggie, Wayne Tory Hold, Willie Anderson, Kevin Williams,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: and Robert Kraft.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: So, first of all, first of all, for my ball
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: in the pick. With that list, I know we're kind
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: of getting off the subject real quick, you know, kind
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: of know we're just kind of touching on this the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: fact that Bill Belichick was not a first baut Hall
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: of Famer is fucking insane. I understand. I am one
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: of the people who firmly believe, and I say this
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: as someone who has been a Patriots fan for longer
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: than Tom Brady and Bill Belichick were even a Patriot themselves.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady made Bill Belichick. I will die on that hill.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: They happen to work very well together in terms of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Brady's offense of mindset versus Bill Belichick's mainly defensive mindset.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Haven't been DC for this for his time in the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: New York Giants. But they worked very well together. They
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: complimented each other very well. The fact that even given that,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: the fact that Belichick was not a first about Hall
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: of Famer is insane to me.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I speak for even Nova on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: this one when I agree, like, wasn't it wasn't like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: he missed about like one vote or something like that,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: if I remember correctly.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: In the It wasn't very many votes.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: No, it was it was like super close, and it
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: was just like I remember, like every talking head show
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: was like, how is Bill Belichick not a first bout
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer? Because even with the uh the six
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls that they had in New England. People forget
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: he was Lawrence Taylor's defensive coordinator.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: I'm having to assume. And one thing that probably deterred
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: voters away was definitely the tail end of his coaching
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: career where the Patriots were just mediocre and then have
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: those terrible seasons. And I think that might have stay
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: away voters. But still that is crazy to think get out,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: like the tail end of a career doesn't have to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: define that he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: because he definitely should have been.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's like an argument that I've made
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: at least comparative, was that people like to because again Brandon,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: we already know twenty twenty eight, when Tom Brady is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: up for Enshrinman, we already know number twelve is getting
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: a gold jack, and we already.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Know the first ballot hands down.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: It's like lock stock, barrel, every adjective you can think of.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: But people have to understand that. With Belichick, again, like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I said, he had the eight rings. But in the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: case of Brady, people always liked to break up his
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: career into like thirds. So the first third he wins
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: these super Bowls. The second third he wins these super Bowls.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: The third third he wins these super Bowls. So you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: can break up tom Brady's career, and he's a Hall
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: of Famer in all three of the However, you want
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: to break it up now and again, this is where
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: the comparison comes in. Why don't we do the same
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: with Barry Bonds MLB. I understand that he took the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: cream and the clear and all of that, and his
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: head swelled up to the size of a squash. But
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: you have to remember something. And again, Nova, you were
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: you were too young for this. But and by too young,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I mean again not existing. But Barry Bonds, before he
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: went to San Francisco, he was a Hall of Fame outfielder.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh, he was He had gold gloves, glory. I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: think he had an MVP or two. He had a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: couple of batting titles. But we, but the Baseball Writers
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Association of America kept him out of the Hall of Fame.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: You don't want to taint the Baseball Hall of Fame
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: with guys that had taken the juice.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: But if we can separate tom Brady's career. Why can't
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: we separate Barry Bonds's career exactly?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: I guess that's happening for the baseball community to decide
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: on because I've seen mix opinions on both.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Well again again, I mean Barry Bonds.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: In the media world, he was as stoic and problematic
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: as Bill Belichick was.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Like Belichick hate.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: We saw how Belichick barely like to talk to the media,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Bonds hated talking to the media. But getting back to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: the NFL Hall of Fame for twenty twenty seven, with
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: all of those names that I listed, who do you
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: guys think should get a call next year?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: If it's not for eld Size, I don't know what
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: you want me to say, So I think I.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Think Carl Sogg says I would be very shocked if
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: he wasn't a first ballot Hall of Famer. But I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: definitely think if he's not first, he's at least second.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Peterson I think is probably a first ballot Hall of Famer. Uh.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: And this is one bias here talking. So I'm gonna
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: go and throw that disclaimer out here right now. Gronk
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: is the first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I mean again.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Again, this is why I say biased. However, there is
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: one person and this, this is probably gonna be my
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: hot take of the segment. Here, there's one person here
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: that I do not think should even touch a gold
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: jacket until at least his fifth year of eligibility.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: And who is that?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: And that's Cam Newton.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, okaying tells me that personal patriot bias because I
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: know Can Newton was the patriot at some point.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: No, no, because like, okay, so to touch on that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: one real quick. So I actually enjoyed seeing Cam Newton
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: as a patriot. I truly did, because he just had
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: the misfortune of doing so during the COVID era. He
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: performed really well for US against Seattle right before he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: himself went out with COVID, and then after that he
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: was just never the same player. So I did like
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: how he was developing in New England because if you again,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: if you think about it, think about the history of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: New England, we historically have never really had a dual threat,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: much less of mobile QB under center, and Cam Newton
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: was that change in philosophy for us. So that little
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: extra gear that he had in his offense, you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: granted it wasn't the gear that he had in Carolina.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: It definitely changed our offensive, and I started liking what
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I was seeing until we just didn't see him anymore.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: So I will say I did like seeing him in Carolina,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: but I don't think he's anywhere near first or second
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: That's fair enough.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: No, that's definitely fair. I mean, Noby, you said Terrell Suggs,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: there was a different name, So let's let's throw on
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: your Ravens bias there.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't really get to see much of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: marsall yonda until I started watching. Goodness gracious, the right
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: guard position was just so solidified with Yonder there, and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't I wouldn't agree, but he definitely should be
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: the women the first three tries. However, there were two
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: names that you mentioned that I think she should be
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: nowhere near a Hall of Fame, and those are Antonio bell.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean that there's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit of bias there, Brandon, there's a little
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: bit of bias right there, But.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: That's not bias. You asking how crazy Antonio Rown is.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: To Brown a psychopath? You like, this is not on
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: this man?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Well, well, it was hashtag c T ESPN remember that.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: But but again, I mean, look, I'll say Leveon Bell
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: gets in like maybe seventh or eighth chance on the ballot.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I think Leveon you can make Again, it's the longevity
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: argument with with Leveon, he.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Ran Ulf out of Pittsburgh.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but at the same time, and he ran us
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Olf out of Pittsburgh because of money more so than
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: he ran himself out of Pittsburgh because of talent. But
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I but I agree with the Antonio Brown he should
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: be nowhere near a gold jacket because he'll not even hell,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: not only just ruin the prestige that is the Pro
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame. He's gonna ruin the prestige as
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: a Hall of fame and shrine and ceremony. You really
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: want to get that man a live mic on ESPN August.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: He would single handedly ring the argument back up, like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier of the Barry Bonds Hall of Fame
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: argument there, that single handedly would revive the Hall of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Fame discussions for you know, disgraced players all over again.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Antonio Brown with a live mic, that is probably
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the potential for the biggest shoot promo since CM punk
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: in two thoy and eleven.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: That's that's the high standard.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: And and and the and the and the and the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: best part was Punk was actually given permission to go
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: out there and do that shoot promo, but he also
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: knew the wherewithal to not say anything to get ww
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: kicked off the air.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Antonio Brown might.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: Actually be the catalyst to get ESPN canceled exactly.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: So, and then I'm sorry, just kind of kind of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: throw one more take out there. So this is probably
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: all sat Looking at the list of eligible, you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: out of the returning candidates, I do think that there's
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: a name on this list that stands out to me
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: as someone who probably gets in this year. And I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: think this this might be a shock to some to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: both the but I think that this is the year
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: that Eli Manning gets his gold jacket. And the only
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: reason that I say that is because of Brady's l
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: chability next year.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: That I could see with with Eli, because I mean,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: let's be real, Eli Manning is like the catalyst of
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: that whole category of Hall of very Good players, but
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: his two Super Bowl rings, I mean, Brandon would much
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: rather prefer to forget those two games.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: We don't talk about Brunan out here, but it would.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: It would be funny if Brady and Manning Well got
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: into Hall of Fame at the same time.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's that's why I think he gets in
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: this year, because I don't think I think they go
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: ahead and give Eli his jacket this year, because we
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: obviously know that, like we said earlier, Brady, it's an
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: absolute luck for the Hall of Fame next year, and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: just it would if if he doesn't get into the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, it's just gonna be one of those
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: situations at Belichick Hi where he just falls one false
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: one vote shy of being in the Hall of Fame
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason. And we're just gonna say it. Look
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: at it like, I'm sorry, six super Bowls isn't enough. No,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: he had seven, So I'm saying like he had six
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: with six with New England because that was there. That
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: was their argument with Belichick is you know, six he
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: had six super Bowls with New England wasn't enough, you know.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: And that's in addition to you know, his rings with
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: the Giants and whatnot. But it's that's why I think
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: he like it said this year, is because the next
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: year that spot that's gonna be on Brady for sure.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, at least from my venus point again, I'll
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I'll give the locks to Gronk and probably Big Ben
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: as well, because I mean Big Ben. I mean he
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: was the anchor of Pittsburgh for all those years, so
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: and coming from Miami of Ohio two like nobody was
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: expecting Ben Roethlisberger to do what he did for the Steelers.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: And I mean, yes, Antonio Holmes with that toe tap
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: catch in the I think it was the south end
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: zone if I remember correctly, Raymond James Stadium to beat
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and that's where where James Harrison has
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: one hundred yard six at the end of.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: The half and Larry Pasiro had that iconic touchdown too.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're right.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Outside of those guys. I'm actually gonna make an argument
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: for Andrew Whitworth to get into the Hall of Fame
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: because again we just mentioned about it with you, mentioned
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: in Nova with Marshall Yonda, how good the right guard
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: position was. Andrew Whitworth was one of the best offensive
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: tackles in the NFL. Like, if you wanted to get
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: a second you were on his side of the line.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Good freaking luck.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put my stamp on Andrew Whitworth getting
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: in next year. But much like you guys again, I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: will say Antonio Broncho had ever been near the Hall
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: of Fame?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Ie my thanks on Le'Veon bell. Why is Gerald McCoy
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: on this list?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I was sitting here kind of wondering the same thing, like, well,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: obviously like he was, he was a good player, but
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's I don't think he's anywhere near
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame worthy, like all of the defensive players
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: that I've looked at, you know, since the beginnings of
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: this recording. You know, we've talked about Keikley, We've talked
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: about you know, all these other you know, defensive players,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: and everybody looked at it.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: He's just kind of been bottom of the barrel, just
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: literally have everybody so far. It's just I personally don't
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: think he's really that impressive. He had one really good
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: year with Tampa Bay in twenty seventeen where he total
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: twenty six stuffs you know at the line, but outside
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: of that, like his resume is nowhere near somebody like
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: well of what Keighley's.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Is exactly, And I mean, if he was, if this
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: was the hall of stupid takes that you say on
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: ESPN to get a rise out of people, He's a
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer, because how that hell does
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: somebody come out and say that you give a soul
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: to get a soul in the sense of signing Bejon Robinson,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: but lose Jalen Walker, Like, who is so stupid in
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: their right mind? I don't even give a damn that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: he was in the NFC South.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: There.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: ESPN.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: No, that's like a terrible first impression.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, ESPN they fired Ryan Clark again.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Ryan Clark doesn't have the greatest uh takes either, but
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: at least Ryan Clark has some knowledge and some vantage
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: points when he makes his arguments, and he has Cojent
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: beliefs in them.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Jared McCoy is just an.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Idiot, and it might have been proving immediately like I was, I.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Couldn't even believe that this is literally the epitome of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the jet fan and Chris Tucker from from Rush Shower,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Do you know I understand the map.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Like it was so stupid with what he with what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: he's said.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I'm over here trying to figure out more so Alex
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Mack is on the Hall of Fame ballot.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Now I will at least put uh I mean Alex mac.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: I will say that it looks like the only thing
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: that he really has going for him is every season
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: that he played. He played a full season.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Oh so that's worthy now well well, also well, I
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: mean also nova. I mean he was Atlanta center in
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: that Super Bowl run and he did play the Super
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Bowl I believe with a fracture in his leg.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he played with a fractured fibula that year.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he was.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: He was the definition of iron Man for in terms
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: of centers.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: And again with the Gerald mccortheyin, I pulled up an
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: article from Yahoo's Sports that covered that tweet.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: This is one that I'm not gonna go off on.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Like again, I do believe that Jerald McCoy is an idiot,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna be like this person who wrote, Hey, Jerald,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: I hope you snap your leg clean off your body
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: so someone on your set stays healthy.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Soul for a soul Like, I'm not going that far.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I do believe Jerald McCoy is an idiot for what
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: he said, but I don't believe that he. I mean,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: look again, I said, Brian Clark got fired, but you
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: kept Gerald McCoy.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Sol jesus. Now, I just add on know, there's definitely
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: been some interesting choices lately, but I definitely don't think
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Gerald McCoys it, and I don't think I don't think
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: he's done anything. His resume in comparison to you know,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: most other people that I have looked up, you know,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: just like I said, within like this last you know,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: hour and twenty two minutes has been like he's nothing
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: that he's done as bo Ben stand out compared to others,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: like in any capacity.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's gonna end the Hall of Fame section, guys.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: We are gonna get into.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Some of the extra news and training camp updates, and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: we're gonna start with this one, guys, because that's the gong,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: because we got some fives in training camp.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: Which what are we starting with? Are we starting with
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: the electrical substation fights?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: How bad do you hate the forty nine ers right now?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: I don't hate the forty nine ers. I actually just
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: feel bad for them at this point because this is incredible.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: But yes, yes, yes, training camp fights.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: There are two major ones that broke out at least
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: like it turns like our public eye.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, my favorite one is the Kirk Cousins fight.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I'll start there. Then.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Oh man, and of all the people to get into
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: a fight with, it was Max Crosby.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: Dude, it's a freaking animal, man, Like, why are you
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: you forget a fight with Are you the best defensive
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: player in the league.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: You're just gonna get up in his face? It's like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: you like that.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: I wonder how a random Mendoza is saying this.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, he's probably He's probably sending them there being like, Okay,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna write this information Dan because I want to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I want to get on the field as quick as possible,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: and I want to do to Cousins what Michael Pennix
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: did to him.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I let me see you quick. So this happened,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: And this honestly shocked because I thought Raiders camp was going,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: you know, clean for what it was, and then that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: whole it's the Raiders. So hold on, let's just scroll in,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: just sticking through this top of here. When defensive end
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: Max Crosby hit Kirk Cousins twice, and I think this
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: is on a practice snap. The fifteen year veteran had
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: had enough. Cousins gotten in to Crosby's face, grabbing an
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: All Pro s jercy while both exchange worth be word
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: was broken up and then according and then according to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: UH coach Klick Koopy acting, both were suspended for a
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: day practice. I believe I remember research correctly.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah they did. Yeah, I remember saying that myself as well.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: To Allen. You know you saw Kirk Cousins at Atlanta,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: you know, for better or for worse, But uh, did
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: you expect her cousins to be like that in like
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: practice this early?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: So from I'll say this from just from my own
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: personal football experience, from from you know, my younger days,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: is typically if you're running a practice screamage against your
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: own defense, you're trying not to get hit and get
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: hurt by your own defense. So if you're over here
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: getting you know, getting your throwing arm hit by as
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: Nova said, as Nova said, one of the best defensive
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: players in the league, it's gonna kind of be a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: little bit of a frustration me, Like, look, be careful,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: you almost hurt me twice. Now, Like, like I'm gonna
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: get frustrated too. Because like at this point in time,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: you're just not playing smart, like you're playing with passion,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: like you know, you're you're doing your job you're supposed
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: to be. At the end of the day, you're like
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: I think both players kind of lost track to the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: fact that it's practice.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, I mean, if there's one thing Kirk
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Cousins took away from the from his time in Atlanta,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: it's how to fight.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: I said it in nothing.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: I will say has had a chip on his shoulder
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: since Washington for sure.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit. But that wasn't the only
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: fight that we had guys in the NFL. And this
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: one hits a little bit closer to Nova Brandon because
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: it was in his own division with Spencer Fano and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Jared Verse in the Browns training camp.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: This was the fries pe because I want to I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: saw all the media, but like Jared Verse looking forward
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: who was rolling Cleveland and then you're fighting with the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: first round pick of Jared the Spencer.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: For know throw haymakers.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm attacking this as well. So where Okay first
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: ripped off Funno's helmet and took him to the ground.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: According to MLF Football on Twitter. Now, I don't know
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: what Jared Verse was mad at fanoa pout, but that,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, it's not how you become a role model,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: and it's not how you become likable around Rocker room.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: I mean truthfully, like the way now, I forget how
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: this was last year, but I do remember that James
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Pierce Junior got into a scuffle with Caleb McGarry uh
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: at trying so and technically I don't again, I don't
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: remember what happened to set that one off. But conversely,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I will play advocate. If you're gonna have a fight
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: with your players, like your own team players in training camp,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: that actually could unify the team a little bit because
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: it actually shows like, hey, everybody out here, we're giving
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: it are all and you we might even be willing
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to fight each other to get where we need to be.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: Fair enough. It's just like, I don't really expect that
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: from a player like Jerry First, who, up until the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: trade for Miles Garrett, you know, was one of the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: more promising young defensive players for the Rams, and uh,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I know it sucks being a Brown, but
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel weird about this one. Especially
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: Spencer Fino again a first round rookie. I don't know
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: how I feel about that.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's all over the place there. But again,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: that was in camp fights with your own teammates. I
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: can't wait for joint practices because we're gonna be put
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: I put over under five fights.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's probably fair enough.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Brandon? Over under five fights in
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: joint practices?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Are we talking about in general or any fight teams
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: in specific?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Just in general?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: So all of every joint practice that is gonna happen
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: in training camp over under five confirmed fights.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be over five fights for sure, because like,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: look at it this way, there's gonna be at least
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna put I'm gonna put money on this one.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be at least two fights alone just and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: the Patriots joint practice training camps, because we have two
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: days with the Eagles. There's gonna be at least a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: couple of fights there.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: If it ain't with the players, it's gonna be with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: the fans.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Or that, or it's gonna be with AJ Brown and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: his former teammates.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: But honestly, again, fights are great and right now, I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: mean there's no suspensions that happened from fights.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Some players aren't gonna miss games or anything like that.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you treuly you not counting the Kirk Cousins,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Max Crosby team, this team suspension, I mean.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: If it's practice, it's it was a team post suspension.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like an NFL impost.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: But getting back around the NFL, guys, we've got a
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: couple of injuries and we've got a couple of players
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: that sign some money. So let's start with the money,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: and that is going to be Peter Scornski getting a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: four year, one hundred million dollar extension with eighty eight
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: million guaranteed. Starting to seem like, uh, Matt bergeron getting
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: his deal with Atlanta a little bit of a little
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: bit of a bargain right now. But to go off
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: on Skorronsky, that guy is one of the best guards
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: in football right now, absolutely freaking deserved.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: At Yeah, cam Warden's auto helping can get because uh,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: we went from a good signing for the Titans the
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: aline position and then you have the prior year we'd
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: have one. Are you one of the worst signings and
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Dan Moore Junior. I still don't know how he got
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: paid that much money.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know that either, But.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, the way Skronsky has played, he is
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: more than deserving of that extension, and that that actually
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: shows that Tennessee is willing to fortify their front to
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: give cam Ward the best chance of success.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Whatever their definition of success may be.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely gonna be more than three wins.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: I'll say four. I can't believe you're hating that low.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to see cam Ward do something. Come on.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, I know we spoke about Bajon's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: deal last week.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: We can at least talk about Jimior Gibbs because he
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: got his deal over the last week, another three year extension,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: fifty one.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: And a half million guaranteed.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I still think, I still this might
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: be the bias, but I still think Paijian is a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: better running back from that draft class than jamieer.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll compare, we'll compare fantasy notes whenever wherever the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: season ends.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it can be said it perfectly
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: last week and uh ironic, I think that happened a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: day before after week for that session, so that's yeah, probably, yeah, yeah, it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Was literally like the day after we recorded that the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Jamior Gibbs deal became official. So again, congratulations to Jamior Gibbs.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Now he gets to participate in Lions training camp. But
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: now we've got to talk about the under side of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: training camp news, and that is players are still getting hurt.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna start with We're gonna start with the light
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: ones on the injury report. First up Zay Flowers. Now, no,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: the you got your Ravens knowledge there. It's a quad
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: contusion for Zay Flower, so could have been worse, right.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been worse. And I'm actually got
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: to follow a little shade at John Harbaugh because you know,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Brandon also has a thing where he mentioned about the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: seventeen take last week with the Giants and John Harball
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: probably be a coploring little it, but this is something
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: John Harbad kind of would never do when people get
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: an injury. He wouldn't disclose it, which is a breprofesshair
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: for a new head coach, Jesse Minter, you know, saying
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: it's a day to day quantitusion, which yeah, it sucks,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: but day to day injury once. Now did we actually
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: know what it is? It doesn't sound too worrying, especially
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: since they got paid.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just really ironic and unfortunate at the same
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: time that he got hurt after he got paid.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's timing, honestly.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's time and honestly. But now let's go a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: little bit more severe and then we're gonna end the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: injury note with the most severe, most recently Luther Burden,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: the third. It looked like he might have had an
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: achilles injury in that video that was shown, but as
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: it turns out, thankfully, it's not an achilles injury.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: It is just a groin injury, probably a hernia.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: But the guy is probably not gonna be available for
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks of the regular season. I
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: think they said anywhere from like a three to five
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: week injury, which is unfortunate, especially the fact that he
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: is a powerful wide receiver and having a groin injury
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: with his style of play, it's gonna be pretty tough
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: to come back.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: From that early.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: It's one of those injuries for sure that you've just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: really got to be careful with on a player, especially
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: with really realistically any player but especially if you really
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: value that player as terms of what what they bring
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: to your particular game plan. Because like, let's just say
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: for a sample, he's out the first five weeks of
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: the season. Yeah, let's say they play it safe and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: they go that Max, you know, five weeks on a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: three to five time frame. You know, he's out against Carolina,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: he's out against Minnesota, Philadelphia, the Jets, and the Packers.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: So not a terrible stretch to be out against. Uh,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: but I think he would definitely be missed against the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: Packers for sure, assuming he were to hit that full
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: five weeks. At the end of that, you know, you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: look at that he comes back, you know, he's good
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: to go at the end of that five weeks. And
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I say, he catches two tuddies on the Atlanta Falcons.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my good. How are we finding
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: these indirect ways to ruffle the feathers? Like we're not
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: even at the point.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's I mean, it's just easy to do that,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: because again, again we're we're guys. We'd like to to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: mess with each other on that, but I also.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: Like to I like to pitch it as well, and
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: that's gonna hurt not only like the Bears receiving because
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: that puts like a heavy emphasis to Rob a Doonsay
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: and Colston Loveland, maybe Cole Comett too, because remember Rulver
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: Burden was underrated last year, and I expect them to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: be like a clear cut wide receiver too. And I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: gotta step up in a role in that Bears offense,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: especially with Ben Johnson, but having him out like three
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: to five weeks, as Brandon said, it's gonna hurt for
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: that stretch for a couple of games. But then once
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: you get back, who knows if Ludford Burden can you know,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: take some heat off of a Doonsay and Loveland everyone else.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: I think the Bears have a decent enough receiving corps
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: to where that they can make up for his time
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: out because you know, in addition to you know, him
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: being over there, they also have you mentioned Cole Komett
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: earlier there to tie end position. But they also have
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: just a really good offensive line, especially since they picked
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: up Joe Toney, you know, his former Patriot, former chief two.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: I believe they're they and you still have DeAndre Swift
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: in the backfield too, so I think they'll be okay. Offensively.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: They're definitely gonna miss that key piece there for a
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: little bit, but I don't think it's gonna be anything.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be too damaging to them in the long run.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: So again, let's hope Luther Burnon gets back quickly. But
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: now we're gonna get into the more severe injuries, and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: we're gonna start with Laramie Tunsil of the Commanders torn triceps.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: So he is potentially gonna miss a significant portion of
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: the season, and I mean it's possible he might miss
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: the whole season. Two guys, And it's kind of unfortunate
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: that his career has come to this where he fell
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: to Miami at thirteen because of that image of him
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: with gas mask, and then he went so then he
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: went to Houston. He did pretty well in Houston. Now
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: he's in Washington, and now he's not gonna play, which
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: sucks his house.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Working really high on Jaydon Daniels this year, and I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: still am, but it's just like, this is not gonna
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: help Jayden and Daniels at least protect protection wise, because
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: you saw how bad Jayden Daniels was without protection.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was waiting for Brandon to jump in there.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I was gonna say, like, I still like
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels last year, I believe it or not. I
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: one of my friends I have discovered is a very
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: long time Washing, long time Washington fan, which is very
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: they're like Jets fans, they're very hard to find. And
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: He's he's him and I are very big on Jaydeen Daniels.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: He's he's developing into the league. You know, they they're
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: improving their offensive line as I guess as best as
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: they can. To put that very loosely, I they're definitely
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: with somebody with Tunsil's you know, experience, is definitely a
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: little bit of a loss. But I think they've got
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: enough there to at the left tackle position and it'll
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: still be okay.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: I help so because I have an extreme buyas for
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: Jaydan and Daniels says, uh, he actually has his high
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: school stadium back calhoona high school named after him.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, guess Mass Pencil Stadium,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: What I'm not trying to be healthy about the community.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: This is why I deserve Oh oh yeah. But but yeah,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 8: I mean it's unfortunate because again, I also have a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 8: little bit of hope for Jadon and Daniels, just like
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: I have hope for Michael Pennis junior. And right now
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 8: it seems like it's uh, it's really crazy when you
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: think about it. From that draft class, it's Caleb Williams
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 8: and Drake may Or like the top two. Then you
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 8: got Jayden Daniels and Michael Pennix in that middle, and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: then it's every other quarterback and JJ McCarthy.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: I can't believe, let's out Nicks.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Every other quarterback.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: Is not happy had a quarterback. He's like the conback
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: King apparently.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, another quarterback in Denver that has the nickname of
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: the comeback King. I wonder what happened to the last
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: time they had a quarterback like that? I wonder, Yeah,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder. But we're gonna we have one final injury
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: to note on this one. And again we said it
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: last week, we're gonna repeat it this week.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: Does anybody want to win the NFC South another ACL tail?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: What is going on right now?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: Especially in the Saints, because at this point in time,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: this is getting a little insane.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Ah fuck the Aints.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: Something about bias.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I had I had to say it at
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: least once. I didn't say it out of respect for
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Drew Brees, but I'll say.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: It now, and you'll say it a few more times
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: this season.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: It's okay, as long as it's not on October fifth.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: That's it's gonna be old man. Away, brother, it's gonna
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: be away.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But you might like to say, who has that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: unfortunately turned toward a cl.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Bottoms that was their offensive lineman, Dylan ray Dunn.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, that sucks, especially for the development of Tyler Shuck.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, apparently everybody is on this Shuck wagon,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: including Lewis Riddick at one point. Uh So that that
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: just shows, you know, people are very high on him.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm high on.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: I'm high on the fact that he's still through one
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: of the worst passes in the NFL combin's history. Okay, yeah, Now, granted,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Tyler Schuck doesn't have to worry about the Alford anymore
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: in the NFC South because.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: He is now a Buffalo Bill.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: And I mean we we got some I got some
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: parts in the in our Ruffling the Feather segment on
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills coming up very shortly. But again, I'm
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: not all that sold on Tyler Shuck. And that has
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with me being a Falcons fan. That
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: has to do with I just don't see it with him.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: I really don't.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: I really don't.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: Look, you have to do or a really mediocre spesca rattler.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: What would you rather have?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Tom Grossi line. I think
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: New Orleans would just rather take the meteor.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Jesus. I mean their their whole QB room is not
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: the best thing in the world. Like, I just I don't.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: I if I'm looking at the New Orleans Saints, you know,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: if I'm looking at the rather that whole division, Like,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: if I'm looking at that, there's not there's not a
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: QB name on the on the list of those four
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: teams that scare me at all.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: Really, Baker, maybe it doesn't come up to mind.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, we kidded me. We ate that man
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: alive last year. You kidding me. No, Baker Mayfield does
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: not scare me one bit.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was that game that the Patriots became
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: NFC South champions.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: Correct, absolutely was, Yes, I will win your division for you.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: It's okay you said that. Let Daddy handle it for you.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what the state's future is. You know,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: they committed to Derek Carr now there here with Rattler
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: and suck. Yeah.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Again, like I said, I think they would rather take
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: the meteor.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: But again, it's just a matter of what the hell
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: is going on with the with the NFC South. I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: don't get it with all these injuries, season ending and
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: we're we haven't even gone to training camp yet, or
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I mean training camp. We even got to the first
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: preseason game for the NFC South outside of the Panthers.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that has just crazy.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's a good transition point, don't you think.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, Well we saved the best for last,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, because it is time.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: It's time.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: It is time.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: It's time to ruffle some feathers. That siren is.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: Very loud right now. I would not be surprised if
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: we get swatted.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, so far I haven't been because I fairly
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: alt ruffling. The fact I'm somehow avoided.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I might be ruffling yours in a little bit.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Nova Uh, but Brandon, you get to kick us off, man,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: What is your ruffling the feathers segment.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, I I've I've alread ruffled a lot of
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: feathers a segment already. I've kinda gotten mine out of
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: the way a little bit earlier today. Uh No, to
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: kind of keep touch on the NFC South. Oh, it's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: a it's a rough division. It's a rough division. Like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: there's injuries everywhere. But honestly, I think, and this might
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: not be so much more of a hot take than
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: it is just kind of just looking at everything how
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: it is on paper. I think if the injuries calmed down, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: I think if you know, you know, knock on wool,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: that there's no more injuries in the NFC South, which
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: you know, we might sit here a joke about it,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: you know, we might see here, you know you seeing it.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: We see all these injuries occurring. You know, it does suck,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, we never want
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: even though we're de vision, we never want someone to
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: sit there and you have their career end over a
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: catastrophic injury. You know. At the same time, you know,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: we want to treat them like we would treat ourselves.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: We want to go home to our families at the
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: end of every day, so you know, knock on wood,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: assumeing no injuries, you know, further happen. I think that
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: if he plays to his ability that we know that
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: he has and everything goes well. I think this is
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay's division by a mile, and I don't think
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: it's close.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: I think, what's that even.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: If he is traded, Even if it does get traded,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: I still think that this is Tampa Bay's division to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: win because they don't particularly have a difficult schedule. There's there,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: They're more arguably there. Their schedule difficulty comes closer towards
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: the end of the season. At the same time, if
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: Baker plays to his ability and their defense plays to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: their ability, you know, regardless of you know where or
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: you know, fetavance involved in this an idiot or Tom
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Bowles is not an idiot, which more often than not
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: is never going to be the case, because this is
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: fucking Todd Bowles, for God's sakes. Then I think this
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: could easily be in an eleven six year for for
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay. I think this could basicially be an eleven
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: six year for them.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Look as long as Atlanta is twelve and five, I don't.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: Care eleven If Atlanta goes to if you're saying Alanta's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: going twelve and five and when we may need a
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: welfare check on you right now, But that's not happening.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: That's not happening.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: No, I've kept I usually do. Atlanta. Like I know
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: this year, I said ten and seven is like those ceiling,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: but a generous.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: Ceiling from a ten and seven season. I think I
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: think it's a below five hundred season.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the floor, so the floor is below five hundred.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: I think it's below five hundred. I think, you know,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: because like I know your first five weeks. You know,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: for Atlanta you have Pittsburgh, Carolina, Green Bay, New Orleans,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: and Baltimore. I think that's a one in four star easy.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: So as as I've said multiple times, and I will
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: rehash this when we get to when we get to
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: when we get to the week one preview show, which
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: which again we got a couple of weeks for that,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: but Atlanta can't beat Pittsburgh. And if Atlanta beats Pittsburgh,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: I will dance an Irish jig in the middle of
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: the street with.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: Call oh, we gotta see video evidence of that.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah or something.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: There may there may not be cars but there may
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: be an Irish jig in the middle of the street
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: because Atlanta.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Can't beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh it's a that's not me
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: trying to like, oh looh beverage this.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: No, it's a legitimate stat The Falcons have not won
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The only times they have beat the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Steelers was in Atlanta in the Georgia Dome date. They
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: haven't even beaten them in Mercedes been seeing And the
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: last time Pittsburgh came to Atlanta, Atlanta lost and the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers didn't even get in the end zone.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: They dj watt and just kind of just to kind
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: of further my just to kind of further my hot
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: take here, you know. And no disrespect you know you
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: mean in Atlanta if anything like that. I genuinely think
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay's division to win, because listen to like you
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: have you by week on week eleven, you have again
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: for those who may not have the schedule a hand year.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: For those listening, it's Pitts at Pittsburgh home against Carolina
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: at Green Bay at New Orleans. The one in three
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: start right there. I think. Then you have home versus
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: Baltimore home versus Chicago home versus the electrical substation fen
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers. I don't think you're to
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: play Then you play at Tampa Bay, then you host Cincinnati.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you don't host Cincinnani. That's a neutral location.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: And then you play Kansas City before your byway?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: What's the what's that international game?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Is that Germany Madrid?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: It's fine? Now, okay, yeah, that's.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: A really rough tend game stretch.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: And and and again. I I I want to agree
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: with it, but I think it's safe to say that
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: as long as Atlanta has Bajon, we'll be in every
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: one of those games.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Oh no, for sure, I agree. Maybe not in the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: winning at the end of the game, but you'll be
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: in the game.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it all comes it all comes down to
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: the defense. It just comes down to the defense. But uh, okay, good, good, rough,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: good topic right there. I mean you kind of pissed
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: off the entire NFC, so not just me too. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: but you have a Brandon'll piss off them as long
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: as they're next to an electrical substation, and after they
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: move away from the electrical substation, he'll still go after
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: them for being anywhere near an electrical substation.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Substation.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Uh now, Nova, I'm gonna save your segment because I
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: know you. You were talking about this one in the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: pre show recording, like just us talking about it. But
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: mine is gonna go Brandon, I'm gonna go to your division.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the AFC East on this one,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: and mine is on the Buffalo Bills. They were talking
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: all this talk about they want to get out of
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: whatever what was it, high Mark Stadium is what they called.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, okay, So they want to get out of
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: high Mark Stadium. They're gonna move into this brand new,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: state of the art facility, high Mark Stadium.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I guess high Markstaum two point zero. I guess, well,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: the new high Mark Stadium. Well, why don't you guys
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: listen to Atlanta and actually find out how to make
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: a cogent stadium in the.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: NFL, because Atlanta Stadium, I will say, far and away
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: is the best in the NFL. I don't again, I
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: haven't been to so far, so I know people.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Oh so fine, as I have like, oh so fi.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: It's great stadium, brand News Day of the Yard, blah
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: blah blah. And my parents because their Cowboys fans are like, oh,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Jerry World's greatest stadium ever. Blah blah blah. Apparently Jerry
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Road doesn't have bathrooms on the one hundred level. Wow
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: or the first floor is what my mom said.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the stadium is trash.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm looking at all of these reviews from
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: people who I don't know. It's like a screaming or
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: like a open fan practice like some of these NFL
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: teams do, where they actually like go to their stadium,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: or like in the case of Atlanta, they went to
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: a local I think it was Lanier High School if
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: I remember correctly, on Saturday night, and Atlanta almost had
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: a live tackling session during that practice, but lightning prevented
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: it from happening. So kudos to Atlanta for being safe.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: But I'm seeing these reports on Buffalo Stadium everything from
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: running out of food. How do you run out of
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: food and you're not even in the regular season yet
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I can understand it during the regular season, I mean
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit because I worked in hospitality, But you're
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: running out of food during a scrimmage, a live open practice.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: What the hell is wrong with your Ken Sessions company?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Other things with that stadium. Other things gonna say small scoreboards.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: You're gonna build two point two billion dollars in the stadium,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have what looks to be no better
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: than my television that I'm that I watched NFL games
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: on in your stadium.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Like, come on, man, that is horrible.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: You have staircases that are basically the epitome of Stairway
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: to Heaven.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: All were missing is ac DC to sing that song
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: and apparently.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it was led Zeppelin again, I look. The
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: point is that the stairway is literally too heavy.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, But can you.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Get corrected by somebody who wasn't even around for some
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: of the things we're talking about.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Because when when I when I get heated, I might,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: I might, I might forget things or miss or misrepresent
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: or whatever. But either way, either way, you have the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Stairway to Heaven to the four hundred levels and the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: pair only the four hundred level doesn't have bathrooms.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: The four hundred level does not have the bath room.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: You have to walk down the stairway essentially the hell
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: to go to the bathroom, to walk back up the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: stairs to have it, which is your seat.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: Well, not only that, but they were. But whenever they
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: were initially building the stadium, they were telling the you know,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: the people, you know, Buffalo fans, that seventy percent of
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: the stadium was going to be covered. Yes, guess what,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: it's not cover at all.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Apparently the one hundred and two hundred sections had to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: go on the concourse because they were getting poured on.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: And in the fact that apparently at this live practice
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever, the Bills wore those new Nickel jerseys, which
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: look look the jury the jersey itself. I'm okay with
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: the gray, I'm okay. I know people were like, oh,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: it looks like a college jersey, and to an extent,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: I can see that, But the helmet is so so
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: so stupid.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: It is not even funny.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen a new helmehall. I'm looking up real quick.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. I don't pay attention to anything Buffalo
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: for obvious reasons.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: I do because it's always discourse to see josh Anna
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: La Mark Jackson, and I hate it.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's stupid, Brandon, it really is.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: But the other thing, though, how do you have a stadium,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: a brand new, state of the art stadium, and you
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: have seats that have obscured.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: View, explain that to it.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: And again not even in the lower bowl like the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: one hundred level, you have it in the nosebleed seats.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: You know, those covered areas that they were touting about
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Brandon and Nova. There are images of these seats that
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: are so bad you actually lose half of the end zone.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really bad. I mean the seatings and the helmets,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: so you know, so upgrade. It's definitely nothing about this
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: has been an upgrade because like looking at the helmets,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: it literally reminds you of the Seattle BattleHawks USL team helmet.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my job, the battle Hawks.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: It reminds me the battle Hawks kind of.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Look at look at all fairness.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Shout outs to the BattleHawks fan base, because those guys
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: come out like shout outs to that. It shows that
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: even though Saint Louis abandoned them, they didn't abandon Saint Louis.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: They have some.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: I don't really I much want to say, because I mean,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: come on, is that like the definition of false advertising
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: or did something in the plants just fall through?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm saying that the Buffalo Bills were getting boo
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: to every home game, and it may not just be
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: for team performance.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: I follow someone on Twitter who constantly bashes the Bills
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: just for any small thing.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Oh it sounds like me, ye sounds it sounds like
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: it sounds like branded there man.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: But honestly, we're saving the best for last year guys
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: on the Ruffland the Feathers segment, Nova take it away, man,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: because we know what you want to say about something.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna call out USA today on this one.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: They released a top ten teams lists on their end,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: and when I first saw it, I was disgusted. But
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: then when Tallan over here Redford the article, I was
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: even more disgusted. So let me find it. Where is it?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: I know I put it somewhere here. Oh yeah, that's
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: right here. So here is USA Today's top ten teen
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: setting into this season. So you got your foolish with me.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: The Rams are first, the Seahawks are second. I personally
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: think that's flip. But then again, those two teams I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: went into are fine. Then you had the Broncos at three,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: the Bills at four, I think that's overrated, Chicago five,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: Houston at six that I think is depending on CJ. Stroud,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: the Niners at seven. Then the Bengals at eight. How
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: does that make sense? The Cowboys at nine, that is
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: at ten? Oh my god, this irks me, like you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: have no idea, first of all.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: First of all, and Seattle not being the number one
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: team right now is what irks me. You got, I mean, arguably,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: you're defending champs should always probably be the first team
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: to look out for unless you have something like it.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: Just this whole entire team dismantling that happens throughout the season.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: The Cowboys being in the top ten is I think
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: someone needs a CT scan. They need a pissess, They
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: need a hair at this, they need some want of
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: drug test. If they've got the Niners on the top ten,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: they're clearly not keeping track of the injury report because
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: holy crap.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and but wait, this gets better when I okay,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: because as a Ravens fan, it irks me that they
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: have Cincinnati at eight. But then, but talents sent I
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: had to reading that article, I kid you not. This
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: is what they say about the Bengals, the quarterbacks healthy?
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: He hasn't It leads to the website disposal. I mean,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: obviously that's obvious because they have Joe jamar Chas and t. Higgins.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: A Poros defense appears nicely upgraded. I don't think Thatxter
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: Lawrence is enough on an upgrade. You Lostray Hendrickson. To us,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: there appears to be a golden opportunity to win this division.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: Basically it's Dallas East. But hold on, this gets better
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: because directly under them, it's literally a copy paste for
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: the Cowboys section.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Like what.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the copy paste on That is what blew in
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: my mind. Except the only big difference is basically it's
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati West for the Dallas Cowboys. Like that's just a laziness.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: But also think of it this way.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: In this article for USA Today, they had their previous
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: power ranking in the parentheses, the Bengals went from nine
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: to eight.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: The Cowboys went from fifteen to nine.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: None of that makes sense to chet not see their defenses.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you ask, if you ask my dad again,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: my dad is a Cowboys fan. The amount of times
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: that I have heard him say that Dak Prescott is
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: a bad quarterback is insanity because and this is also
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: my dad. He doesn't believe in running the ball. He
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: believes you have to throw the ball every play of
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: the game. He believes running backs should be abolished. You
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: gotta choe double, And that's exactly how he says, you
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: gotta choe double.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: But the one part that upsets me the most, like
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: if you're arguing that the Bengals are if were the Ravens,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: they are clearly the better roster, they have the better defense,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: they had the better offense, They're basically better around that.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: They're not in the top ten the Yeah, Lamar Jackson,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: I argue, still better than Joe Burrow.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, has Joe Burrow won an MVP?
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: No?
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: And I still okay, this is how to do fissed
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: me oh so much. He should have won that MVV
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: with Josh Allen that third one.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Thought.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna touch it on with the ten football
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: right now, but.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: Again I'm just still I feel disrespected as a Ravens.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: I feel USA today. I think it's been disrespectful.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: I think USA Today just doesn't know what the hell
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: we're talking about, honestly, because like even in all of
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: this to be complete, like this is biased talking, where's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: the Patriots in this list? Like, I'm sorry, you just
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: had a team that just went to the Super Bowl. Yeah,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: we got shredded by a team who on paper and
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: in person was just a really good man Chuck for
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: you know, for you know, we were there a good
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: matchup for them, like they treaded us like you know,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, but like like they had, they had a
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: good matchup against us all around. They truly did they
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: truly did it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: But so going off that, Brandon, just sorry to interrupt you. Uh,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: the Patriots came in at eleven and they dropped out
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: of the top ten.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: See that's insane. You're right. How are you going to
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: take a team that just made a Super Bowl run
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna put somebody like the fucking Dallas Cowgirls
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: in there?
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yet?
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: Matter yet, the Niners Bengals alliance because like I could, look,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: I do believe. I want to believe in the allions,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: I really do. But my issue with the allions is consistency.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: Like I get the Texans being in there, because the
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: Texans defense was terrifying last year, like they were.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: There what well, no, I was gonna say the Texas, Yes, yes,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: they wore.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that were like as I said this, probably depending
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: on CJ. Stroud, but that's probably the right spot.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And you know that was my only
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: concern during the Patriots. You know AFC run to the
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl was the Houston Dexans, and then you know,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: we may play the game we did sure, you know,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: you know passes the past. For the most part. The
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: list is criminal. It's just this, this list doesn't really
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: make any sense.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just gonna throw uh because I know
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: Nova brought him up on the Lions. This is the
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Lions blur. The quarterback is healthy, he has an elite suite. Okay,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: let me yeah, I know, I know, like that that
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: was great. She has an elite suite of weapons at
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: his disposal. But that defense is just a mess of
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: injuries and turnover at the moment, though, Jared goffin co
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: should keep this team in the running, and probably to
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: a better degree than the twenty five Bangals are Cowboys?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Am I reading a USA Today article? Am I reading
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: Mike Florio's power rank?
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: This is like my Florio?
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: This does sell my my Florio.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: I wonder I who wrote this article?
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: Nay, it was written by Nate David and going off
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: the Patriots one.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: Like I told you, Brandon, this is the Patriots blur.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: The AJ Brown Drake May connection is taking time to materialize,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: but that's what training camp is for. The offensive line
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: also underwent needed modifications, and first round offensive tackle Kleb
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: low Move is waiting in the wings. But the AFC
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: shams are otherwise largely running it back, though they won't
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: sneak up on anyone in twenty twenty six, nor feast
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: on a soft schedule.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: Now, okay, okay, schedule, Yeah, we have very ethical schedule.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: Like here's a here's another list, right, I went look
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: at it just for reference. I'm looking at sharp Football
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: analysis dot com. It's one of the things I randomly
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: looked up.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: Their power rankings as of this was the last updated
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: in July, July twenty seventh, and I still hate this
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: is probably this list makes more since still than what
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: that USA Today list does. So in order from their
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: top ten is Rams, Bills, Seahawks, Packers, Chargers, Broncos, that Texans, Ravens, Eagles, Patriots. Again,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: why this list was last updated in July, and I
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: still think I'm just saying that this list makes more
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: sense than what USA Today put out.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: I would agree with that because and again, look, I
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: could go off on the fact that Nate Davis put
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Atlanta at twenty.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: Five, I mean twenty eight on this list.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I mean, you.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Know, actually I'm also looking at this, so at least
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: for the the NFC South, Literally, the.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Best team, according to Nate Davis is the Saints. This
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: attack should be more entertaining than it's been at any
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: point since Breeze retired. Keep an eye on Jordan Tyson
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: as a Rookie of the Year dark horse. I've been
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: hearing some things about Jordan Tyson, so that's fair. But
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: listen to the others in the Let me just read
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: twenty through twenty five's blurbs for this, and then we're
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: gonna because Nova, I know you want to know about Baltimore.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: Where's Baltimore on a Davis' list? Twenty one Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: Could this be the organization's first sub five hundred entry
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: since two thousand and three? Gonna invoke our Fifth Amendment
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: right to remain silent? Eas That really sounds like Florio
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: wrote that because.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: He's a Steelers fan. But Buccaneers at twenty second.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: Time was when eight wins was good enough to get
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: you a division crown, But time is question mark. Eight
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: wins could now signal an average team that could be
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: inviting a major change of direction, including a quarterback, depending
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: on the progression of the franchisees relationship with Baker Mayfield.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: That's twenty two, twenty three New York Giants young team,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: young quarterback heighten expectations that maybe need to be tempered
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: to touch. Watch out for Isaiah Likely twenty.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: Four Watch that one. I got you gotch for? I
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: say I likely.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Twenty four Carolina Panthers young team, young quarterback, heightened expectations
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: that maybe need to be tempered to touch. Watch out
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: for Jonathan Brooks. Deja vu? Did I not just say
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: that with the Giants.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm just gonna point this out three three twenty five.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: This sounds like copypaste behavior, and as a journalist, I
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 4: dread this.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is just l This is a lazy journalism.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: This is lazy journalism.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I said Atlanta twenty five, this is what
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: he wrote saquon part two. It's fabulous, that's sublime running back.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: But Jean Robinson is now making what he's worth. If
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: only he could play with the team that was worth
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  Speaker 2: his while.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's accurate. Oh come on, yeah, Like look again,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: Drake lond the great player, Kyle Pitts great player, but
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 4: Sean Robbinson great player. What else.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: James fears junior great player if he can get if
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  Speaker 2: he can get his head out of his ass.
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  Speaker 4: I'm more referring to the offense.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, fair that yeah, okay, yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: But Nova, you did want to know about the Ravens
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: and according to uh So Brandon, you said the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: on uh sharp football was what ninth if I remember correctly.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: Eighth or nights.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's accurate in my opinion, that's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I would say Baltimore is like a
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: low and top ten team. According to Nate Davis, the
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens are thirteen down from eleventh.
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  Speaker 4: Seriously outside the top ten.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: What and the blurb is the return from injury of
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: defensive lineman Nond Matabuke and from tragedy Kaleis Campbell. Because again,
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: all that with Kaleis Campbell provided more good training camp
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: vibes to a team looking for a strong post hardball rebound.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: I don't feel doesn't have justice because again we kind
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: of knew about a BK was coming back from an
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: injury from the populist and Campbell does bring in veteran
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: in presence, but how do you fail to mention Lamar Jackson,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: Derrick Henry Say Flowers for Shot Bateman hot shot rookie
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: to Kobe Lane. I mean I've heard hearing stories as well.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: I from training Cat that Mark Andrews is on downfall,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: Ronnie Stantley should be back from injury. What else ro
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: Kwan Smith, I'm hoping he has a bounced back year.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: You know, there's no hype between the secondary. With Kyle
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: Hamill's and obviously being one of the best safeties.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted him so bad. I wanted him so bad.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: And then the corners Nate Wiggins and Malachi Starts also
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: coming into their own and it's like, you really think
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  Speaker 4: they're not top ten worthy with all that talent. You
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 4: think Cincinnati is a top ten talent with a lack
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: of defense what.
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  Speaker 3: So? Yeah, No, I think that's definitely crazy, for sure.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: It's it's there's some crazy top ten takes out here.
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  Speaker 4: For sure, we'll get ours, Like when the time comes,
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  Speaker 4: don't worry.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well yeah we'll we'll we'll get our uh,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: we'll get our predictions and all that and our own
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: power rankings.
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  Speaker 1: When when that time comes.
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  Speaker 3: So so real quick. I know, I know we kind
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: of wanted to close out on Baltimore, But I've been
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: thinking about something all way, and this is kind of
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: be a little bit of a curveball for you too,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: because I've not mentioned it at all so earlier this week.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: I want to kind of dive into and pick a
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: few minutes to kind of dive into the world of
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: college football here for a second, since that season is
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: also upon let's they we're all equally excited for that one.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about something that a lot of
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: people may not really know about because it's not really
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: been news. It's kind of been brushed under the rug
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: a little bit. There is a defensive lineman from Western
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: Kentucky University who lost his scholarship. The college cut his
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: scholarship last week. Well as it's been longer than it's
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: been longer than last week. It's it's just recently come
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: into the news, right his mother passed away now unexpectedly
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: in April. You know, thoughts and prayers to the Vaka family,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: you know, for you know, for this particular time, because
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: I know that's I'm sure that's difficult for a lot
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: of people. And he told the college, Hey, I'm going
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: to go home to California and I'm going to spend
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: time with my family. College said absolutely, okay, go for it.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: Be back by June. Right. A few days before June
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: came around, he got a communication from the assistant coach
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: that said, actually, you're not needed back. We're cutting your scholarship.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: This man was very This man was highly touted as
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: a defensive lineman for Western Kentucky. He was very good,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: and because even though he was told, hey, don't come
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: back until June, allegedly on May twenty eighth, he received
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: a communication back from his from an assistant strength coach,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry May twenty six looking at this and said
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: that he was flagged with a failure to report designation,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: even though he has cleared and on paper communication of hey,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: be back by June. And because of his failure to
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: report designation, he can no longer sign or go to
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: another college to play football because of this. Oh my god,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: there are so many other schools that want this kid
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: because of how good he is at his job already,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: and he cannot even sign with another school because WKU
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: decided to fuck him over.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reading this article right now from CBS Sports.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: On him, and it says that he that he flew
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: home in early April and he he told I guess
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: CBS Sports he always planned to return to Weshington, Kentucky
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: because I guess he really liked the program, he liked
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: his coaches. But it says here that the assistant strength
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: coach provided him a summer worked out plan. How are
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: you gonna provide a player with a workout plan and
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: then you're gonna say, eh, screw you, We're taking away
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: your scholarship.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Exactly, so you have if that's suitable, you gotta do it.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, Like this is going straight to the
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: n C Double A for sure. Like he's he's already
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: he's already filed an injunction against you know, against the
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: n c Double A so that way he can try
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: and join another roster before his football season would have
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: to begin this year. And like if he doesn't get in,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: like imagine, you have this promising talent for the you know,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: for the future of the NFL, you know, suddenly have
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: his career absolutely squashed just because he went home to
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: visit a family member who passed away. Like, imagine the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: precedent that this is going to set for in a
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: for people who want to potentially play in the NFL
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: in the future, much less go through college football to
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: get into the NFL.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently he did file an appeal, but the
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: n c A, the n c double A denied it.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: And oh they denied it. Oh I did not see that.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why there's the lawsuit.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: Apparently, according to this they Western Kentucky helped him file
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: a legislative relief waiver, but essentially the institution was filing
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: a waiver against itself. So they're filing a waiver in
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: support of a student athlete that is going against something
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: that they ultimately said that they're not going to do,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: which is entering him into.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: The poor.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Sounds like they're trying to save themselves, I guess,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: for lack of a better term.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's still like the damage is done.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: The damage is done.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: And again, I hope that this lawsuit helps get Victory
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Vodka to play his senior season because I mean, I'll
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: have to look at his tape or whatever. Honestly, I
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: this is the first I'm hearing about this incident.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 4: So same here.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: That's why I said, you know, that's what I said.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: It seems to have been something that's been brushed under
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: the rug lately. Like obviously there's been reporting on it,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: but it's not been news like anything else in a
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: college upcoming college football world has.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like ye like yeah, because like Western
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: Kentucky at think it's like a lower you know, popular
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 4: hized school in Division one football if I remember correctly,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 4: you know, they're not like in the top end of
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: Division one. But that just sucks. It's like, what do
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: you mean you just had to like come back about
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: like knowing and you didn't like apparently it was a
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 4: communication problem that was already solved or something like what,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: No, apparently they waited a whole Kentucky apparently waited a
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: whole month to check on him.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: Yep. So looking at looking at the general ranking for him,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: he was rated as a three to four star prospect
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: coming out of high school, and as far as his
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: position ranking is concerned, he was rated as the number
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: eleven defensive tackle in the country by major recruiting databases.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, according to the article.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: By the school doing this waiver, it put institutions between
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: a rock and a hard place. They may want to
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: support a student athlete getting that additional thirty day window,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: but doing so also means that they're admitting to their
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: own Level three violation by impermissibly removing the student athletes eight.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: So while WKU might have actually put forward a good
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: faith waiver to request of the NCAA to allow vodka
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: enter the portal as they don't want this vodka to
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: stay at WKU, but also can't or don't want to
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: admit to a violation that they impermissibly removed the student
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: athletes a. So apparently his case illustrates a gap in
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: the current system because WKU moved on from him months
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: after the transfer portal closed. By classifying his departure as
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: a disciplinary matter, the school prevented him from using the
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: NCAA's aid cancelation exception.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: Wow, speechless.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there, we're gonna have to get more information on this,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: uh for the for the probably like the next episode
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: if we wanted to continue this discussion for sure. Uh,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: But honestly, guys, that is gonna end episode three of
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: The Ruffling. The Feathers Podcast and before we sign off, guys,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: I think it is best that we thank again all
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: of the listeners who have been supporting us through the
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: first two episodes, especially now that we are on Apple Podcasts,
• 2:18:56
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• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: our podcast and it's thanks to our community.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we like again we all thank you all for
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: just sticking around. You know, I know this is not
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: going to be a longer episode than what we would
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 4: normally be planning, but that's because you know, we curb
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 4: all a lot, and we app sessions are apparently a thing.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: So welcome to the world of podcast in.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the world of podcasting.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely been an adventure already, and you know, I've
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: definitely you know, gotten some shares around my local community
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: as well that have also tuned in to listen to it.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: You know, if anybody knew that's local maybe listening versus
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: everybody else. Definitely, thank you. It's been a great start
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: and we're hoping to just go up and improve from here.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are absolutely right there.
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  Speaker 2: But ladies and gentlemen, for my co hosts, Brandon Escanta
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  Speaker 2: and Supernova, I am talent asked Jay, we hope we've
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: ruffled your feathers and we can't wait to ruffle them
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  Speaker 2: some more next time, say you,