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Donnie Darko: Time Travel Draft: Superhero · May The Review Be With You

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  Speaker 1: I think it was really the first film that I
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  Speaker 1: saw as a kid that made me really believe, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to explain everything to an audience.
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  Speaker 2: You know, actually, in fact, you don't have explained anything
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hello, and welcome to Made the Review Be with
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  Speaker 1: You with Nick and jo I'm Joe and Nick. And
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  Speaker 1: today today on May the Review Bee with You, we
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  Speaker 1: are coming back to our time travel draft. It has
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  Speaker 1: been a minute and we're very excited for it. Today
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  Speaker 1: on our time travel Draft, we're covering Donnie Darko, beloved
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  Speaker 1: classic from two thousand. Strange Strange movie. But man, is
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  Speaker 1: it fun to talk about. Nick, We have a lot
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. But before we actually dive into any
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  Speaker 1: any of this, we should probably explain for anyone who
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  Speaker 1: is new to this, what is the time travel draft?
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  Speaker 1: So would would you be so kind?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: So, Joe and I a little bit, a little bit ago,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, almost coming up on a year. This
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  Speaker 3: is kind of our series that we do in between
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  Speaker 3: new releases of TV and film. So to keep us
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  Speaker 3: kind of busy, we each took turns drafting time travel movies.
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  Speaker 2: That fit into specific categories.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, we are currently on the superhero time travel category.
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  Speaker 3: And so Joe's pick during this draft was Donny Dharko,
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  Speaker 3: which we're going to talk about today. My pick was
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  Speaker 3: X Men Days of Future Past, which we're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about at some point in the near future. And
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  Speaker 3: that's a time travel draft, and that's where we're at today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need more curiosity on what is on our
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  Speaker 1: list on our respected drafts. Go back into our time
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  Speaker 1: travel draft playlist that Nick is organized, and you can
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  Speaker 1: start from the draft and you can catch up on
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  Speaker 1: the movies that we've rated so far, as well as
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  Speaker 1: the scoring that's been allotted out to both of us
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  Speaker 1: per movie. I think I don't remember the exact score
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  Speaker 1: right now, but I'm pretty sure Nick is winning our
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  Speaker 1: time travel draft at the moment. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: today is gonna do be any favors in catching me up.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is gonna be tragic for you. This
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  Speaker 3: is just gonna be tragic for Joff. We do you
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  Speaker 3: should explain the ratings maybe if you want to, Well.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's great. So a crucial part of the time
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  Speaker 1: travel draft is, of course, how we are going to
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  Speaker 1: score each other on these movies. And we're breaking our
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  Speaker 1: ratings down into three separate categories, and the being those
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  Speaker 1: being how the movie actually performs, you know, whether or
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  Speaker 1: not the movie's premise actually makes sense and it is
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  Speaker 1: a good movie. Right, We're starting from there. Then from
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  Speaker 1: that point we judge it based on the time travel mechanic.
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  Speaker 1: Is the time travel is it all just a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of bullshit? Or does the time travel movie actually justify
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  Speaker 1: why we are moving through time? And then finally we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about whether or not the movie fit in
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  Speaker 1: the category it was drafted in. And again as a reminder,
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  Speaker 1: today's category is Superhero time travel movie. So before we begin,
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  Speaker 1: those who do. Now onto business, so here on, May
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  Speaker 1: of the review be with you. We like to kick
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  Speaker 1: things off with our films with a quick fifteen second summary,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe it is next turn now belove tradition
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  Speaker 1: where we embarrass ourselves in trying to summarize a movie
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  Speaker 1: as fast as we can in fifteen seconds. And it's
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  Speaker 1: next turn. As I said, Nick, how you doing? How
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  Speaker 1: you feeling?
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be? This is gonna be and this is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be miserable. Like you couldn't even ask the director
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  Speaker 3: to some rises in a year, so like you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is gonna be there, this's gonna be rough.
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  Speaker 1: I like he didn't like, what was it twenty eight days?
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  Speaker 1: He didn't twenty eight days? Got the whole movie done? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Donne did? I don't know. I don't know how fast
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  Speaker 1: Richard Kelly did.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way this was filmed twenty eight maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: maybe twenty eight days. What is it? Six hours, forty
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  Speaker 3: two minutes, six seconds?
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  Speaker 1: You're so close, Yeah, it's twelve seconds. I'm I'm impressed.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think you would remember that.
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  Speaker 3: It's very important to the time travel of this whole film.
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  Speaker 3: Just kidding. Actually it's a little it's a little important.
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  Speaker 3: I guess. All right, just count me in.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So I've got I've got our stop watch.
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  Speaker 3: Nick, are you ready for the fifteen second summary of
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  Speaker 3: Donny Darko?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, sir, yeah, sure? All right? When I say
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  Speaker 1: go three, two one go.
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  Speaker 3: Donny Darko is a teenager in nineteen eighty eight, I think,
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  Speaker 3: and he's either schizophrenic or a time traveler, We're not sure.
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  Speaker 3: But he gets a message from a weird, crazy looking
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  Speaker 3: rabbit that the world is gonna end in twenty eight days,
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  Speaker 3: so he has to go on this like whole journey
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  Speaker 3: to save the world before he gets killed by a
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  Speaker 3: airplane engine. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
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  Speaker 3: That was immaculate.
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  Speaker 1: May I was like, the best summary I think you've
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  Speaker 1: ever done, and it was for a movie you didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to watch.
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  Speaker 3: I did want to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: I like, I'm feeling a lot of negativity over here
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  Speaker 1: on my pick.
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  Speaker 2: There's no negativity.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that you're just not gonna score very well
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to the time travel and.
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  Speaker 1: The explanation about you see this what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I want nothing but stellar positivity from you about how like,
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  Speaker 1: how great of a movie at a time you had
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  Speaker 1: with such a beloved class.
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  Speaker 2: I do love that. I do love this film.
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  Speaker 3: But when we're talking about time travel, there's a colt
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  Speaker 3: that I got some questions and there's not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of answers.
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  Speaker 1: I assure you everything can be explained in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I sure we want.
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  Speaker 2: To see, But how about my summary? Give give me
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  Speaker 2: my A plus?
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  Speaker 1: This? Yeah, like Nick, this is I think this is
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  Speaker 1: the I think this is the first eight plus I'm
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  Speaker 1: giving you. I don't think I've ever given you one before.
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  Speaker 3: That was a really good summary, Actually it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was the best summary you've ever done A plus,
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  Speaker 1: which I think that's only the second A plus that's
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  Speaker 1: ever been awarded on this show. You should go back.
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  Speaker 1: Usually our fifteen second summaries are tragedies. They're their genuine,
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  Speaker 1: genuine f's. I think only there's only been one F.
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  Speaker 1: I think I got it. Yeah, I don't remember what
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  Speaker 1: it was for, but I definitely have an F on
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  Speaker 1: my report card here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I forget what that. I forget what yours was
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  Speaker 3: for as well.
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  Speaker 1: Up anyway, tune in next time to find out what
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  Speaker 1: I've failed it in any case, Okay, so, Nick, that
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  Speaker 1: was great. I don't think we actually have to dive
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  Speaker 1: any deeper into summary here, except with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he does die right, and so he does say the world.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that later. But this is I said.
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  Speaker 1: It's a movie by Richard Kelly. It's from the two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: from two thousand and when it first came out, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it was much. It made too much of
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  Speaker 1: a blip on the radar. And it wasn't until about
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  Speaker 1: maybe five or six years later where it really became
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  Speaker 1: a cult classic. It started to become a cult classic.
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  Speaker 1: It is a cult classic today and it's really gained
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  Speaker 1: like a huge following as far as like the weirdness
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  Speaker 1: of this movie. Feels like a lot of people love
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  Speaker 1: to like talk about what they think happened in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, Nick, let's start with you. What a what
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  Speaker 1: did you like about this movie?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Jake Jillenhall like is phenomenal. He's and this is
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  Speaker 3: he's so young when he when he filmed this, and
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's so focused on his character, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he has insane amount screen time. I mean
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  Speaker 3: the movie is literally titled after his character. So like
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  Speaker 3: he he is, he's like in every scene, right, and
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  Speaker 3: he's such a phenomenal job acting. And it's really just
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  Speaker 3: enthralling and quirky and weird and strange and uncomfortable at times,
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  Speaker 3: but like not the uncomfortable that makes you want to
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  Speaker 3: turn it off. It's the uncomfortable that makes you like
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  Speaker 3: really just like what is this kid doing and why?
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  Speaker 3: So that's really just what stood out to me and
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  Speaker 3: then and what I really liked, and of course some
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  Speaker 3: other things that you you realize. You know, this comes
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  Speaker 3: out in two thousand and one, and the cast is
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  Speaker 3: pretty stellar, you know, like Maggie Gillenhall also in the
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  Speaker 3: in the in the movie, Seth Rogan young, Seth Rogan
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  Speaker 3: is in this film, like totally forgot about that. Patrick Swayze,
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  Speaker 3: I mean young.
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  Speaker 1: There's a young and very unimportant Ashdale in this movie too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many young actors.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that was really cool. I always love
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  Speaker 3: when we watch like older films because you know, like
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  Speaker 3: those roles are not huge roles for those characters, for
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  Speaker 3: those actors, and so you get to see them like
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  Speaker 3: when they were really younger kind of starting out.
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  Speaker 2: So that was fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how about you?
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  Speaker 2: What's uh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you said. I feel like if if I
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  Speaker 1: had been an adult when this movie came out and
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  Speaker 1: I saw Jake performing as a kid, have been like,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's going somewhere. Uh No, he really is what
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  Speaker 1: I think carries this movie in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: His performance, and then there's the strangeness of the film itself.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, you know, Donnie is most of
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  Speaker 1: this movie, and yet the movie I think does a
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  Speaker 1: really great job in creating this cast of characters that
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  Speaker 1: are also quirky and interesting in this town that feels
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  Speaker 1: very real, very believable and in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, Frank the Rabbit is enigmatic and
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  Speaker 1: terrifying and interesting and you want to know what the
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  Speaker 1: hell is going on there? But uh, yeah, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: sort of what I loved about it. I loved I
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  Speaker 1: think it was really the first film that I saw
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  Speaker 1: as a kid that made me really believe, Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to explain everything to an audience.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in fact, you don't. You don't have explained
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  Speaker 2: anything at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're ship.
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  Speaker 3: Unless you're watching the director's cut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in which case it like walks you through everything.
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  Speaker 1: I do recommend anyone who has ever seen Donny Arca
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  Speaker 1: like sort of liked it to watch the director's cut.
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  Speaker 1: It does give some interesting insight into the movie. But uh, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: what what uh? What didn't you like about Donnie Arco.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's it's really necessarily a dislike.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that it's so jumbled in some ways, like
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  Speaker 3: the writing and like and it's but it's to be,
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  Speaker 3: but it's it's it's it borderline. It's borderline on like
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  Speaker 3: confusing confusion to like almost the opposite of being entertaining,
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  Speaker 3: because you're like nothing makes sense. And I was watching
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  Speaker 3: the director's cut recently, right, like the theatrical version. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's like impossible in some ways to really kind
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  Speaker 3: of think through it, at least on the first watch.
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  Speaker 3: So that's not really a dislike. It's more just like
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  Speaker 3: I guess, an observation. I will say, though I found
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  Speaker 3: myself at multiple moments thinking, you can't say that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You can't say that there's some jobs there his friends,
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  Speaker 3: his friend, Yeah, his friends say some things that you
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  Speaker 3: just cannot do. Like that was like I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh man, early two thousands were insane time. Actually, this
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  Speaker 3: reminds me the bully, not Seth Rogan, not him, but.
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  Speaker 1: His his pal friend. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I hated that character, like such an over like over
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  Speaker 3: the top bully for a high schooler with it like
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  Speaker 3: holding up the knife trying to like like multiple times
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  Speaker 3: like that's not how bullies operate.
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  Speaker 1: It just yeah, I actually agree with this. I think
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  Speaker 1: his character, Yeah, he's so unstable and like I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand what like, yeah, he he doesn't at any given time,
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  Speaker 1: nothing he says really makes any sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and nor is it important to the story at all.
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  Speaker 3: Like you can remove his character completely and it does
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  Speaker 3: not have any effect on Donny Darko like at all.
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  Speaker 3: And list in my opinion, that's like that's.
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  Speaker 1: A good point. You can you can still have Gretchen
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  Speaker 1: get killed by the car without without him being involved
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  Speaker 1: in it whatsoever. Yeah, well okay, so maybe it's yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we can debate the ending here. But like he he
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  Speaker 1: does sort of play it's it's a small role, and
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  Speaker 1: it feels like you could amend this in the writing
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  Speaker 1: prety easily. But I mean his role is he's stopping
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  Speaker 1: Donnie from saving Gretchen, right, Gretchen's destiny is to be
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  Speaker 1: hit by the car at least in that timeline, that's
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  Speaker 1: what's supposed to happen, and he's threatening Donnie's life and
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  Speaker 1: therefore Donnie can't get up and he can't go save her.
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  Speaker 1: So like maybe like one of the I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: we can get into it towards the end. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, the bully character is weak, you know, at
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  Speaker 1: least at least for me. I've never had this dislike
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  Speaker 1: before until rewatching it recently. So I love Drew Barrymore's character,
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  Speaker 1: but there are things about her character that like don't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense to me. And I don't get how
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  Speaker 1: she gets away with the sit next to whatever the
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  Speaker 1: boy you think is cute as me? All right, this
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  Speaker 1: is how you know it. This movie was written by
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  Speaker 1: a man.
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  Speaker 3: Can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this would never happen. I don't Maybe I missed
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  Speaker 1: something or right, I didn't remember something. I don't really
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  Speaker 1: get why she's being fired toward the end.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a curriculum thing. It's a curriculum thing
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  Speaker 3: because she wants.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's oh, that's right. It was the it was
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  Speaker 1: the pornography and yeah, that's right. But yeah, we we
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with that character, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I think ultimately is to see that like
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  Speaker 1: her life is going to hell, and like there's something
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  Speaker 1: about the Donnie experience that like improves her life, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't really see how. And again that's part of
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  Speaker 1: the ending. We'll get into that later. I think ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think for how mysterious this movie is
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  Speaker 1: and how for how much it doesn't want to answer questions,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think it's a very entertaining film. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I regard it to be an extremely
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  Speaker 1: good film. I think it's okay. I think the theatrical
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  Speaker 1: version is like, just it's okay. Honestly, I think what
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  Speaker 1: has kept it in the zeitgeist is just how mysterious
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  Speaker 1: it is. Right, It's just a very mysterious plot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and for that, I think it pulls that off very well.
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  Speaker 1: Past that, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I agree. I think overall, from a film perspective,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's not fantastic, right, It's interesting, but it's very interesting,
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  Speaker 3: and it leaves so many questions that are fun to
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  Speaker 3: talk about. And that's why you get the cold classic, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's all you. That's also why people love talking about
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  Speaker 3: Twelve Monkeys, although twelve Monkeys I think is a better
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  Speaker 3: film overall, but there's a lot of question.
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  Speaker 2: My point is the question.
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  Speaker 3: Marks at the end of that movie are you're like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: what just happened? Like, what's happening? How did we get here,
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  Speaker 3: what is time travel? It's kind of similar here. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you're just mind bending trying to figure out how
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  Speaker 3: this all kind of pieces together.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the twelve Monkeys is thingly never film ultimately
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: But both, like I said, both really mind bending. And
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  Speaker 3: if you're wondering what the hell we're talking about, go
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  Speaker 3: back and watch our twelve Monkeys video.
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  Speaker 1: Watch twelve Monkeys.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, watch.
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  Speaker 1: Is out order, watch your review, then watch twelve Monkeys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it might.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Now onto the topic at hand here. This
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  Speaker 1: is a time travel draft, uh movie, So we got
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the time travel. Okay, So the time
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  Speaker 1: travel is explained as follows. You need a metal craft,
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  Speaker 1: you need to be moving faster than the speed of light,
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  Speaker 1: and you need a portal and that's it, and you
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  Speaker 1: can time travel and that's what happens. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: of the movies that we got, this was the best
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  Speaker 1: and simplest laid out time travel that we've received so far. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: at lease the process does it execute the process? We
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  Speaker 1: can talk about that we're going here. Yeah, but at
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  Speaker 1: least for I think in what it's trying to communicate
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  Speaker 1: is whereas why it's possible. I think it does an
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  Speaker 1: effective job.
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  Speaker 3: It does an effective job of telling us what we
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  Speaker 3: need and then presenting those things, but does it show
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  Speaker 3: us We don't even know how half of those things
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  Speaker 3: even came to be. Plus, I don't know if we
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  Speaker 3: want to start getting into this now.
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  Speaker 2: But like, you.
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  Speaker 3: Need the metal object, you need a portal, and you
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  Speaker 3: need to be traveling faster than the speed of light. Well,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the film, Donnie doesn't have any
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  Speaker 3: of those things on his possession.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not true. No he has one he has
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: or no he should he should have two. There's one
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: of those things though that I don't understand how he gets.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: So the metal the metal vehicle is the car that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: he's driving, Okay, And we know he's heading toward a portal.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's the twister that he sees in the distance. Right,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that that's the portal, the moving faster than the speed
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of light. Okay, Now here's the BS of this movie. Okay,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So our our scientist is very rad cool physics professor
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that he has at this school tells him about like theoretically,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: if we're talking about don travel, this is how we
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: would happen, right, and at no point does this educated
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: scholar ever tell Donnie, is it it's impossible to move
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: faster than the speed of light based on the mechanics
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that we have in our universe. Right, It's like, yeah,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that is how you would do it, but it's impossible.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: But like he just lays it out there, He's just like, oh, yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: those are those are the basics of time travel. Everything
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you need, except for this one very important thing.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying, no, I mean, this is the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: main problem with the time travel of Donny Darko.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really how he's going to move that fast
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that is not uh explained. I have theories as to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you why that happened. But yeah, ultimately I would say
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: this is where the movie kind of drops them all
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a bit as far as the time travel is concerned.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Explanation wise, it's almost great.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Uh, just trying to time travel. His camera back in
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the focus.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so where do we start, I mean, as far
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: as the time travel goes or yeah, because.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It he's not traveling faster than the speed of light,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it's not possible. So that's a flaw, which.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: But that's okay, all right, So here here's my theory
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: on that. Okay, the movie does an awful job in
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: showing us this. In fact, it doesn't. It just doesn't
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: show us this. It briefly gives us some glimpses as
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to what is going on with Donnie. And this is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I have drafted this movie
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in the superhero category. A. He saves the world, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be more importantly, Donnie has superpowers. And the movie, at
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: least the theatrical version, there's like maybe one or two
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: lines that actually you actually hear a reference of superpowers
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: being being made. The director's kind of directly tells you that,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: like the subject of the Pocket universe, like has super strength,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and I forgot what else, but uh, there there's a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: reference when he busts the pipes at the school with
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the acts, when he slams the acts into the metal
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: statue of whatever the metal is. Yeah, the bronze bronze,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You're right, bronze statue. Someone say as that that's insane,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Like no one could have done that, right, which is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: supposed to be an indicator of like Donnie has super strength, right,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and you know he does the whole thing of like Gretchen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: This is really where the movie hits you over the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: head with it. Gretchen's like, Donnie Darko, what is that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: some kind of superhero name?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Uh, that line right there is Jill's whole premise for
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: picking this in the superhero film category. Okay, that line
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: right there, just because he has just because he has
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: a double same.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Letter, Stanley, He's got the stan Lee formula. Donnie Darko,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Bruce Banner, Donnie Darko. But uh yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So my theory here is Donnie's always had the ability
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to move at the speed of light. Again, the movie
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: does not show you that. The movie does not tell
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you that. We just know that Donnie has powers. Donnie
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: tells his psychologist, I have the power to build a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: time machine, right which we know you have to be
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: moving past to the speed of light, and all it
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: takes is a metal vehicle. So I don't think it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: too much of a leap in that instance to say
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that's the power that he's referring to. Again, I don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: think that's a great execution because this movie is relying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: on tell me, don't show me, And I don't know
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: many people who are big fans of that. But I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: think that's how it's possible.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: So I have a complete opposite theory that has not
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: been made with time travel at all.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Interesting. So, oh, do you think it's all in his head?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Oh it's better than that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Oh hit me.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So at the beginning of the film, he takes the
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: pills from his doctor. We find out later they're Placeba.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So whatever pills he's been taking are fake. We you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: there's conflicting stories on if he's a paranoid, schizophrenic, whatever.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: The point is, there's something going on in.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: This guy's head. Anyway, the beginning of the film, when
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the jet engine falls from the sky into his bedroom,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: he is not there because he took the pills and slept,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: sleepwalked to the golf course or wherever he was right
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and it like kept him from being in the room
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: when this jet engine came to kill him. And then
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: at the end of that we go through this whole thing,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and at the end of the film he ends up
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: back where he wasn't at the beginning, in his bedroom,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: which is when he ends up essentially dying. Right, that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the end of the story. Well, my theory is that
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: he actually was in his bedroom and the moment that
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the jet engine breaks through his roof, and the moment
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: between the dread engine bringing through his roof and it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: crushing him and him dying. His mind goes through this,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: His consciousness goes through this story and this journey over
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: twenty eight days, and that's what the film is. The
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: film is his consciousness in between the moment between the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: roof caving in and him dying, kind of playing playing
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a fairy tale in his head.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You're arguing, no time travel involved whatsoever.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Nothing happened.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He actually died at the very beginning of the film,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and that was simply his consciousness creating a story to
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: get him through to the next part of his existence.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: After This is the most outrageous take I've ever heard
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: on Donnie.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: This is an outrageous movie. This movie, this movie's up
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: predicated on any any rational reason. And somehow that was
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the most outrageous thing I've ever heard about this movie before.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Tell me that it's wrong, though, tell me tell me why.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I will tell you that it's wrong. I will tell you. Okay,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: here's why. Here's why. I think the movie is trying
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to communicate to us that that's not what happened. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: think it wants us to believe that the Pocket Universe
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: actually happened, right, And I think you and I talked
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about so, Nick and I were talking before we got
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: on the call here, and I think, now it's probably
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a good time to segue into the final song that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we hear, which is Mad World, and it's it's this
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: montage with all the characters, and I think, this, this montage,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the scene is everything you need to know about what
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the writer thinks the ending of this movie is. So
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the song comes on, an awesome song talking about all
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the oddities and the things that don't make sense in
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And as we're listen listening to this song, everyone is
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: waking up from It's the night, right, it's the night
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that the jet engine falls through the ceiling, and everyone's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: waking up kind of simultaneously, at least that's the way
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it's coming across. And they're all waking up from what
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: appears to be a dream, and there are people who
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: are reacting to the dream. Drew Barrymore looks a little
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: bummed out right. Patrick Swayze's character Jim Cummingham, he's he's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: crying right profusely. As we've learned in the Pocket Universe
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that he was a pedophile and that he was running
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this child pornography sex dungeon, right, and he appears to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: be waking up from like the guilt of what he's done.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And then the thing that really sells it is when
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Frank wakes up, Frank touches his eye, which we know
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: is where Donnie shoots him, so he appears to have
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: some memory of what happened to him. Right. And then
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: finally after the dream, you know, we see Gretchen, and Gretchen,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: who is alive of course, uh, and she comes to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the Darko's residence after tragedy is you know, unfolded for them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: She asks what happens she finds out and we learned
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't know the Darko's which of course she doesn't,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and there's this weird moment of connection between her and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Missus Darko in which they wave at each other. It's
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: almost it's not quite clear. You could definitely make this
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: argument that I'm wrong here on this part, but it
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: looks like there's this sense of familiarity with each other,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like they recognize each other even though they shouldn't. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: like that's why I think, I think that's why it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: all happened. At least that's what I'm taking from the film.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like that explanation. My theory was a
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: little uh off, off the cuff.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And a little off, like this is the place for them,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But you did you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Didn't make a point.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Right there all are if I'm making the case for
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: my crazy idea, they all are waking up from a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: trans or some sort of dream.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Which kind of backs up my theory about.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It all happening in Donnie's head prior to him actually dying,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: and they're all waking up because his consciousness was able
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: to kind of.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Story. I see, we're back tracking now and it's a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it's a collective consciousness. Is that I'm here? Yeah, that's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: interesting and so there there there could be an argument
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: for that, for that theory, I could buy that more
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: than all this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: For the record, I think you are correct. But I
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: just had that thought. I was like, because he's already
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: they've already set up that he's now all right in
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the head and so like, And they also.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Established that like you know, time it's a time travel film.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's relative right, like the the the moment
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: between death, like right before death, couldn't last as much
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: time as you need it to.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: What you know?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: We don't know, So I don't know. I think it
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: was interesting thought.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The other thing is it definitely is because there's a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: lot of people who argue whether Donnie is actually crazy in.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: This movie, right, Like that's arguing itself like is he
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: insaney or is he like I'm just a normal teenage
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: boy who has like problems, Like who's just like, you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: going through it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. We don't that that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: makes so your argument, though, makes it very I'm very
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: interested to see how you're going to rate this movie
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: for as a time travel movie. I'm very concerned now.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I mean you should be concerned regardless, because I mean,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the shit's crazy, like like the fact.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: But but actually the other thing I have, the other
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: theory I have, which this is what I'm really excited
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: to ask you about. So the concept of the world
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: is going to end? Ye, right, We're assuming that the
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: world means the actual world, like everyone correct, That's what
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the audience has led to believe. That's what we I think,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: that's what we kind of think of the whole.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Time, and we kind of see it kind of.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: But part of me thinks that, like that's actually more
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: of like a metaphor placeholder for Donnie's.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: World, right, So like, yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It's not the whole world, it's Donnie's world. And Donnie's
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: world is Donnie's family. Like that's his world all right,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: his friends and his family basically, And so it's not
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: that the world is going to end, it's just that
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: his world is going to end, which is those closest
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: to him, a meaning, like his mom and sister on
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: an airplane that's going to crash if he doesn't go
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: through all of this, and of course, like that tragedy
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: would branch off and cause like much more devastation throughout
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the rest of his family, you know, most likely and
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: for him, and he much prefers to be the one
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to sacrifice himself so that everyone else can be happy.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: And so that was the thing that I think stood
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: out the most that I was like, you know, I'm
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: pretty sure that the world is not the actual whole world,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: it's just his little pocket.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So if I'm going on just the theatrical version, which
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like I think actually the director's cut and the theatrical
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: version actually probably should be treated like two different films, right, Yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: if I'm going based on just the theatrical version, I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: actually think there's a lot of validity to that, to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what you just said, especially because I think that's the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: whole point of Drew Barrymore's character is she almost acts
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as like, you know, the person who's breaking the fourth
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: wall and is foreshadowing like a lot of the things
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: that are going to happen in this movie. Right, the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: whole Grandma death basement scene, she foreshadows all of that, right,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the kids who break in and just want to see
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the world burn, the pain of puberty talk that she has,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and of course that's what Donnie's going through. And then
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he has sex with Gretchen, right like that, that's all there,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And I think it's absolutely fair to say that this
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: movie is about, you know, the end of the world
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in two different metaphorically, in two different ideas. It's the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: end of Donnie's world because he's the one that's going away,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and maybe he knows that, right, I mean, I guess
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: he does know that. But and then metaphorically, like you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it's the end of the world from like the perspective
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of like being a child, right, he's he's going he
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I'm taking from, like the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: end of this movie, Donnie. Donnie's a man by the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: end of this movie. He starts it as a kid,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: He's a man by the end of it, right, taking
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on a responsibility. He's lost his innocence, right, he does
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: he does the sex. So, yeah, I think there's a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: huge like there's a there's a giant metaphor in the room, right,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And so I think you're absolutely on the money with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: when they keep saying the end of the world, they
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: mean it very subjectively for Donnie. That's what I take
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: from the theatrical cut. The director's cut is like, nah, dude,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: he really did save the world because so like in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the So for those who don't know, if you've never
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: seen the director's cut, the director's cut is filled with ROBERTA.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Sparrow's Philosophy of time Travel, which is the book that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Donnie is reading throughout the story, and he even tells
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the therapist everything in this book is something that I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: am going through. And there are a couple of times
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: where it tells us about like a pocket universe, right
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that gets created and based on that and again, this
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is another like example of like tell me instead of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: show me. It tells us that, like when a pocket
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: universe is created, it's only going to exist for like
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: sat amount of time before it expires, and then everything
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: in it will go. But even if that is still
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the case, Nick, I wonder if there's still an argument
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: for what you're saying there, because if this pocket universe
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: ends right, then everyone in it ended right, and everyone
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: in the original timeline should still be fine because they
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: were never part of it to begin.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: With, right, right, and it just happened in his head.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right now, you're telling you, you're telling me
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: on this we're talking about it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: The more my crazy theory makes sense, I will say.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: This if if it does happen in his head, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: think that to quote Dumbledore, I don't think it makes
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it any less real because of what the ending of
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the movie is trying to communicate, what.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: A fantastic club bring Double Door into this amazing what
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: up Alphas. Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: It's great. It's a great line because it all still matters, right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to tell us. What that montage
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it mattered.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: And the universe in that moment like opens up in
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: some part of the pocket Universe's consciousness from each of
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: those characters was transferred via a dream that they had,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and that's why they all woke up with such emotion,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: because from a parallel universe perspective, they had some inkling
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: what was going on, right, And there's course theories about
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: how dreams are your doorway to alternate realities, and so
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: it kind of works in that respect.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: In that perspective. I will fight y'all on this one point.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: The movie gives us dates. It gives us dates. It
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: starts on October second, It ends on October thirty first,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: October thirtieth, ends on October thirtieth, and then it starts
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: again on October second. This seems to imply time travel.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Seems to imply.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: But also, look, that's the best you get from this movie.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It seems to imply.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: That's the thing though, right, there's not It's is this
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: might be the first.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Movie we reviewed.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Look look at me, I'm like, I can't even I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: taking off my head just like what happens next, Oh
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: my god, smoke Fosters. And that's the thing, though, Is
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: that This is like the first time travel movie we've reviewed.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Where we can't agree on what happened.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We don't even know what time travel happened or didn't
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: happen or when.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Like, I think you have to assume it's so like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: again and this is just a problem with this movie.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I think you have to assume it's time travel because
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the movie calls it time travel, right, if that's even reliable?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Smoking mirror, baby, smoking mirrors.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I like the theory, I really do. I think the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: biggest rea I'm fighting back for two reasons. A. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: needed to be a time travel and movie in order
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: for this to win and so I can win. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: B because the movie is insisting on calling it time travel.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Now I'm all about unreliable narrator.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: You know what, you know what? You know what's crazy?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Hit me when you drafted this movie, I was like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you're out of your mind that he's a superhero, right,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: but I was okay with the time travel. After rewatching
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it and talking to you, it's actually much more plausible
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that he is a superhero, but that this is not
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: actually a time travel that's the exact opposite.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. You're crazy.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: This is a superhero.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Movie not a time travel movie. I'm I'm convinced, unbelievable,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: no time travel in this movie.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I take it back, Nick, that is the most outrageous
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: take on this movie of all time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Listen, it's all happening in a dream, the moment between
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: the moment that he gets beforeright before he gets crushed
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: by this jet engine at the very beginning. It's a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: multi conscious dream that the whole town is having.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: And that sounds so much more complicated than time travel.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean because it makes a lot
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: of sense, though.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: There is like a weird like psychic phenomenon with everyone
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: right wa waking up at the same time.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: There's a psyche to it. That's why it kind of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: almost works. It's like it's just the time travel is just.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: So like.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I just don't get it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Well, like it explains like how it's going to happen,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but then we don't actually get to watch it happen.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It just happens also, we're just there.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That's the problem.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the director's cut in a long time.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Does is the director's cut like any different in that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: scene as far as like that ending goes like it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: just him in the car, and then like it shifts
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to him in the bed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Is there any yeah, like the only thing because it
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: shows him in the car, and then it shows the portal,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: like the circular thing portal, and then almost like it
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: looks like a tornado funnel right right, and then you
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: see the jet end like you see his.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Mom and his sister's plane like go through crazy turbulence
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: and start going down. And then you see a faraway
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: shot of what looks like the jet turbine falling through
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the portal, right, and then he's in his bed and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: he's got this jet engine of some emotion falling down,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: which is a scene in itself.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: By the way, I think this is actually one of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the weakest parts of this film is the timing of
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: there's this moment as as the end of the world
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is happening, that these like vocal flashbacks start coming back, right,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and like you hear the physics professor talking about how
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: time travel is possible, right, But like the way that
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the audio is lined up, it lines up to Samantha
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and her mom in the plane, and it makes it
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: almost seem like, oh, it's the plane that's gonna do
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the time travel, which like, in a sense it's the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: jet engine does, right, But it also makes it seem
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: like the airplane gonna do it because like they specifically
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he specifically says, yeah, a vehicle, probably like an aircraft.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: He says that specifically when they're in the airplane, right,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: it seems like they're the ones about to time travel,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: which is makes it all the more confusing because that's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: not what's happening. A part of the craft is. But like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I don't it's so confusing. I love this movie for
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the record, it's cos we do.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: We do enjoy it like it's not.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's just a trying to make sense of it is
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: so tough.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, neither head or tails. I'm like, as I'm talking
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: about I'm like, I have to rate this movie even
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: lower than I originally played, which that might be a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: good segue into our ratings unless you had any other
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: point here.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: The only thing I wanted to touch on one more time
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: is how fantastic the end of the movie is with
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: the with Mad World by Gary Jewels, at least the
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Gary Jewels versions originally by Tears for Fears, but they
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: recorded this version specifically for this movie. So it's that. Yeah,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: they recorded specifically for this movie. It fits so well and.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Such like a heart wrenching song, but it really brings
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: everything kind of together and at least makes you feel
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: like you kind of know what happened, even though after
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the movie ends you start thinking about it, you realize
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: you have no idea. It gives you some relief for
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: about three minutes. Though. That's the only other thing I
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: wanted to say real quick though, I think we can
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: we can accept the ratings.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. I think it's it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: one of the highlights of the movie is that montage.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's haunting, right, Yeah, great word haunting moment. Just
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: as a quick final note to two things I love
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: about this movie. I love Frank. I think Frank is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a I don't know if you can call him a character.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: He's an interesting part of the plot, right, just an
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: interesting figment of the play. And I'm just gonna say that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And also, I adore the Smurf conversation. I think the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Smurf conversation is so stupid and like it just sounds
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like the kinds of conversations I would have. Like that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: we would have like as teenagers, so dumb and ridiculous.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I love how young teenage that feels.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Actually I have a question, yeah about Frank.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: If it's not all happening inside his head?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, then.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: How how can Frank be in two places?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, So again this is where the director's cut like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: really like answer some questions here, at least with the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: book Philosophy time Travel. So it's not really Frank. It
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: it looks like Frank and like he's taking the deep
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like man suit of Frank, right, but it's it's like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a character that's made from the Pocket dimension and represents
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: like the doom that is coming. Uh. They explore this
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a bit further in the very and please never watch
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: this movie. Horrible sequel s Darko. It is one of
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the worst sequels I have ever seen. It's told from
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the perspective of Samantha and as a child who grew
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: up with the horrible tragedy of her brother died. Great concept, honestly,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: but then she's involved in a very similar situation in
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: which pocket Dimension is created, but instead of her being Donnie,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: she plays the Frank character, and she plays like a
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: messenger of doom. Throughout the rest of the movie. It's awful.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: When I just describe sounded awesome, it's not. It's not awesome.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It's bad. It's boring. It doesn't make any sense. It
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: makes less sense than this. It's not a good time
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Magill No, not Magigill at Hall. The little girl Samantha,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, okay, Yeah, she like grows up and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I guess like when she's like a middle teenager, she
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: like goes on her own darko adventures.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know that they made a second one
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: that sucks that it's crazy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they made it in like two ten or twenty eleven,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and like I was so pumped. I was like, oh man,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be wild and like.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: No, it was wildly.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I would I actually wish it was wildly bad. You
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: know why I don't like that movie? Nick, What's the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: one thing I can't forgive a movie for. Oh do
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you remember bad bad writing?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: That's true, Oh it's it's it's wait wait wait it's
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: it's it's.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Nope, loss it so bad writing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I can actually forgive if it's at least like fun
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to make fun of. If a movie is boring, oh,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing I can never forgive a movie for.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I don't care if your plot doesn't make sense. If
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I had a good time even making fun of your
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: dumb plot, I can appreciate that, you know, But if
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: your movie's boring, why did I watch? You know? Why
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: did I spend an hour and a half to two
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: hours of watching? And that's what s Darko is. It's boring.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: But your question long winded le Nick. Yeah, he's supposed
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to be like a messenger of doom projected by the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Pocket universe. I'm hearing a lot of words about it
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: does not explain that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Man, I've my it's all happening inside his head prior
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: or death. Was like a crazy theory when I when
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: we first started this, but seeming less crazy to me
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: now at the end of this.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I agree, it's less crazy that you're calling him crazy.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I'll agree. I'm just doing what the movie tells me
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to do, and I'm calling it time travel, right.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I love questioning.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Directors after they've already like tried to explain things. It's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: like they're wrong about their explanations. That's not what happening.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I must un into twelve monkeys.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Oh God, that people hate me for that, but I mean.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That that's why that's why this movie is yes, because
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it generates this discussion, right, yeah, all right, but yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you on the Frank thing. It's weird.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I said, he's not a character like I
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: just kind of enjoy the concept of Frank ratings. Okay, So,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: as explained before, we break this down into three categories,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: how we would judge the movie as just just a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: work of art, how it works, how the time travel works,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: and then of course how it works in the category Nick,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I'm usually pretty polite, I'm gonna selfishly go first year
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: for for how this movie works. Out of five, I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think the characters are what sell this movie. It certainly
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: isn't the plot. The plot makes very little sense, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's I've watched this movie so many times, which
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is why I probably have a lot of convictions on it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: But overall, there's there's problems with it so many But
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I enjoy the characters, I enjoy talking about it, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I do think that those are points worth weighing in
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the movie's favor as a work of art. I can't
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: go higher than a three, though, I really can't, so
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking with a three on it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: And this is just overall score, overall score, just from
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: a movie perspective, Yeah, just from a movie. Wow, I'm
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: surprising one with a three.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I hire too low, too low.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Mmm, I was gonna give you like a three point
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: five is my score?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Just overall?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Is a movie like enjoyable, a lot of fun, awesome,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: really good? I mean the acting was was fantastic. J
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: jillenh is like crazy good.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah there's a there's.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: A sh ton of problems, like with the explanations, but
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: it keeps you, it keeps you, it keeps you in.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah, three and a half.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I prefer the record. I can't go higher than a three.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: But I also would watch the fuck out of a
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: movie that is a three for the record.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I can still love a three. Okay, Now this is
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: where it gets interesting. Uh, Nick, I think you're the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: one who's rude to go here. Uh how do you
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: rate this? How do you rate the time travel of
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: this movie?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Oh god, the time travel of this movie. We don't
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: have a lot of movies left either, so I don't
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: have to be like I don't have the I don't
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: have to worry about the scale getting off. This is
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: gonna be bad for you. One point two five.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that was the boat. That was an interesting decimal.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: One point two five. Explain yourself.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I don't have to because the movie didn't either.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Damn it walked into that one.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: You did, man, you really sent me for that. Listen.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: They give us.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: The needs to be metal, needs to be the speed
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: of light, needs to be a portal. Yeah, but they
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: don't one of those things is not even possible.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: One of the other.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is they don't tell us, like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: we don't know how the portal got there. It's just
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: supposed to show up like blah blah blah, and then
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: we don't even see the time travel happen. We don't
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: see any kind of like you know, at least a terminator,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: you see a portal open and you see him go
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: through the portal and come right.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Twelve monkeys saying like.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Same kind of concepts stem at least like go through
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: nothing here.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: He just all of a sudden he's in his bed
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: and he's getting crushed by a jet engine.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: At the end of it's like, oh, he time travel.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: That's so maybe one point two five is a little harsh,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But I don't.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I don't, can't change it, can't change it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Believe it, you can, you can't.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's more happening in his head than time travel. Honestly,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I apologize.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: That is a theory. That is a theory. So after
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: having this discussion, this is why I love this exercise.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: After having a discussion, I think my opinion on the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: concept of the time travel in this movie has changed
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: because it is time travel. For the record, Let the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: record show the man was reading the philosophy of time travel,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: not the philosophy of having a mental breakdown before you die,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: which actually it was kind of the same thing based
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: on the book.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: You Don't o bang your own rules about show me,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: not tell me.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: The book is telling you, but they're not showing you,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: and you're believe it what.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: The writer insists that this movie is about writer. But
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I but I do agree that movies are in art
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of a visual art, right. So if that is the case,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: if there is going to be time travel, show me
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the time travel, right. So for that and for not
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: properly explaining how Donnie moves at the speed of light,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I think I'm correct about what my theory is, which
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: is why I said it. But you didn't show me
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: any of that, and you certainly didn't tell me that,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: so it's pretty weak here. I'm gonna give it a one.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I was nice to you, and I.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Believe it's time travel.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's such a I feel like your score
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: should be higher just for me believing it's time travel.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: But I guess not.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I as as I talk it out, I think I
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: think on paper, what they explain is good, right, it's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: very simple. But what they've shown that what they actually
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: do different different and doesn't like And there's a lot
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: before the montage that is very confusing. Like for years,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I thought the airplane was the thing that was traveling
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: through time for years, and as I watched it for
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: as an adult, it was like, no, it that doesn't
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: make any sense. It's not the airplane. It can't be
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the airplane. It's just part of the airplane is going
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: through and then so is Donnie. But like we never
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: see that. So, yeah, this is the weirdest movie to rate,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Like now that I'm watching it, it's the weirdest movie
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to rate. The time travel for it's it's time travel.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: But we don't see the time travel. We just see
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the end result, right, I'm sticking with it. I I
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: think of the movies that we have seen so far,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I think that this has been the weirdest concept, not
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the weirdest concept. Actually, the concept's great, the weirdest visual
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of time travel that I've seen, because it's it's not existing.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's definitely the toughest one to unpack
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: for sure so far. Superhero How old does it fit
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: into the category of superheroes?
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Oh? Baby, this is a five? Are you kidding me?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Five? Are you delusional? Have you been drinking?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: God? How can you even argue that it's not a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: superhero movie? He has superpowers, he has the superhero name.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: He saved the world, like he saves the girl. Like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: what else do you need?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Are you really giving it a five?
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I'm really giving it a five.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Joe's jo Joe's found bad in this time. Tell draft everyone,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: just so you know, he's gotta he's gotta just like
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: grasp over here, just pull it out of his you know. Five. Okay,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I'm generously. I'm gonna give you a four for superhero category.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: That's a nice score. You actually changed my mind.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: The movie changed my mind about him actually maybe having superpowers,
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: and you know, his name being Donnie Darko does help
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: with believing it. He's definitely got superpower square.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: You don't know how many superpowers he has. He's got some.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: The problem, though, is the superpowers he has are in
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that pocket of the movie that happens in the Pocket universe,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: which might be happening in his head, which then means
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: he really doesn't actually have superpowers. So I'm not one
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: hundred percent sure he is a superhero. But his name
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: is Donny Dharko no matter what part of the movie
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: we're in, So does your scores already locked in?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say this by one thing
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: about his superpowers, and he definitely does have them. The
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: movie is so wildly inconsistent about when he has superpowers,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: because like, there are two times when the bully is
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: on him. At least the first time you could make
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: maybe make the argument that, like, oh, he just doesn't
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: want to fight the bully, but the second time he
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: definitely does because he wants to save Gretchen. So why
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: isn't he using his super strength that he definitely had
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: earlier in the film? Just doesn't. I mean, the only
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: argument I can think of there, and this is a stretch,
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  Speaker 1: is because the Pocket universe, because he talks about destiny
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the movie, right, and like he knows that
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  Speaker 1: Gretchen is destined to die. He saw it in her
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  Speaker 1: weird liquid tube thing, right, he knows she's gonna die,
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  Speaker 1: And I forget not he's not allowed to stop it.
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  Speaker 1: He's not supposed to stop it, so therefore he can't
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  Speaker 1: stop it. That's the only explanation I can come up
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  Speaker 1: for that. But again, the movie is insisting on you
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  Speaker 1: making those grasps instead of giving you any sort of explanation.
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  Speaker 1: They're no rules as far as his superpowers are concerned. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that's all the time we got.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot about the stupid, the stupid things coming
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  Speaker 3: out of their bodies. We're not talking about those. That
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  Speaker 3: was a choice at my Friends time Travel apt episode.
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  Speaker 3: That was insane.
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  Speaker 1: A way to end that will do it for us today. However,
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  Speaker 1: next time we will be covering the finale of Agatha
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  Speaker 1: All Along, which also just had its very own time
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  Speaker 1: travel episode. Yes, and I am so excited to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about that, Nick. Yes, I forgot to mention
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  Speaker 1: that this is coming out during Halloween week, which was
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  Speaker 1: another bonus point for Donnie Darko being reviewed because it
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  Speaker 1: is a Halloween e movie. Yes, and we will be
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  Speaker 1: finishing Halloween with Agatha all Along next week, so double
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  Speaker 1: the halloweenness. Love that. If you are interested in getting
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  Speaker 1: our feedback, our review on Agatha Along before the episode
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  Speaker 1: comes out, Nick, what's the best way to do.
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