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From Dorm Room Dreams to Musical Reality: Tate Yap's Journey · Music Explored Podcast

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  At
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  one
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  point,
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  it
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  was
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  definitely
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  like,
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  I'm
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  an
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  actor
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  and,
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  you
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  know,
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  I'd
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  like
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  to
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  make
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  music
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  as
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  well.
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  I
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  enjoy
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  both
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  so
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  much.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  if
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  one
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  does
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  well,
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  the
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  other
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  will
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  kind
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  of
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  pick
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  up
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  From
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  classics
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  to
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  curiosity
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  and
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  where
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  melodies
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  meet
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  meaning.
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  Welcome.
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  All
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  right,
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  here
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  we
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  go,
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  man.
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  I'm
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  excited
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  for
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  this
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  chat
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  today.
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  doing,
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  sir?
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  Doing
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  excellent.
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  How
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  are
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  you?
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  Good,
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  man,
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  I'm
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  good.
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  And
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  the
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  voice
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  that
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  you're
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  hearing
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  Besides
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  mine
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  is
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  Mr.
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  Tate.
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  Yap.
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  Yeah,
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  it's
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  good
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  to
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  chat,
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  man.
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  I
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  know
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  you
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  met
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  one
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  of.
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  One
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  of
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  my
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  colleagues
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  while
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  you
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  were
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  at
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  an
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  event
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  or
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  playing
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  during
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  the
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  summertime,
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  I
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  believe.
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  And
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  yeah,
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  I
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  was.
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  I
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  was
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  busking
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  in
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  Mississauga,
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  and
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  he
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  came
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  up
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  to
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  me
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  after
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  a
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  song
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  and
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  kind
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  of
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  introduced
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  himself.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  happy
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  to
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  be
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  chatting.
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  Yeah.
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  Really
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  raving
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  about
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  you.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  okay,
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  cool,
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  cool,
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  cool.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  it's
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  good
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  to
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  connect
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  on
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  here.
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  I
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  know
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  we
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  talked
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  through
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  email
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  in
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  the
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  past,
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  and
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  here
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  we
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  are.
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  So
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  tell
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  me
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  yourself
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  as
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  far
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  as
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  musically.
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  I
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  know
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  you're.
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  Well,
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  you're
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  a
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  musician,
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  songwriter.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  I
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  started.
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  I've
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  been
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  in
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  the
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  entertainment
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  industry
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  for
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  quite
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  some
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  time,
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  so
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  I
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  started
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  acting
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  a
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  kid,
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  about
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  5
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  years
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  old,
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  and
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  with
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  that,
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  I
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  think
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  singing
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  was
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  kind
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  of
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  just
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  like,
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  an
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  asset
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  to
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  have.
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  So
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  I
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  got,
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  like,
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  singing
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  lessons
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  as
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  a
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  child,
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  and
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  then
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  second,
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  my
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  voice
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  dropped.
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  Everything
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  sounded
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  terrible,
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  so
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  I
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  kind
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  of
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  gave
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  up
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  on
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  it
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  for
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  quite.
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  Quite
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  a
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  few
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  years.
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  But
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  that's
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  funny.
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  Once
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  I.
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  Once
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  I
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  got
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  a
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  car
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  and
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  started
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  listening
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  to
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  music
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  in
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  the
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  car
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  again,
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  I
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  started
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  just
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  singing
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  my
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  heart
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  out
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  really,
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  really
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  badly
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  to,
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  like,
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  Lewis
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  Capaldi
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  and,
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  like,
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  all
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  the
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  voice
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  cracks
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  possible,
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  but
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  I
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  got
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  the
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  range
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  back
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  and
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  found
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  your.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  I
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  found
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  my
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  voice
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  back
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  I'd
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  like
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  to
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  think
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  so.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  went
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  to
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  college
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  and
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  was
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  going
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  through
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  some
• 1:58
  stuff
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  and
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  decided
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  to
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  just
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  start
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  kind
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  of
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  writing
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  about
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  it,
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  and
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  it
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  helped
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  me.
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  And
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  then
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  eventually
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  there
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  was
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  a
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  decent
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  response
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  online,
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  so
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  you
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  know,
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  kind
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  of
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  go
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  forward
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  with
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  that
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  and
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  give
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  it
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  a
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  shot.
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  So
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  a
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  natural
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  progression
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  from
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  like,
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  just,
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  you
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  know,
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  singing,
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  practicing,
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  and
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  then
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  you
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  just
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  decided,
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  you
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  know,
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  let
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  me
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  start
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  writing
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  some
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  songs.
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  Yeah,
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  absolutely.
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  I
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  needed
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  something
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  as
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  a
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  therapeutic
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  escape,
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  and
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  music
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  did
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  that
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  for
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  me.
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  So
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  music
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  does
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  that
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  for
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  sure.
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  Why
• 2:25
  not?
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  Yeah.
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  Were
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  you
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  around
• 2:28
  other
• 2:28
  people
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  who
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  were
• 2:29
  doing
• 2:29
  similar
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  or
• 2:30
  had,
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  like,
• 2:30
  similar
• 2:30
  interests
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  at
• 2:31
  that
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  point?
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  No,
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  actually,
• 2:33
  not
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  really.
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  I
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  went
• 2:35
  to
• 2:35
  school
• 2:35
  for
• 2:35
  Film
• 2:36
  so
• 2:36
  people
• 2:37
  were
• 2:37
  kind
• 2:37
  of
• 2:37
  in
• 2:38
  a
• 2:38
  creative
• 2:38
  space
• 2:39
  in
• 2:39
  general.
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  But
• 2:40
  music,
• 2:41
  not
• 2:41
  really.
• 2:41
  I.
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  Okay,
• 2:42
  yeah.
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  And
• 2:43
  I
• 2:44
  just
• 2:44
  bought
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  a
• 2:44
  guitar
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  and
• 2:45
  then
• 2:46
  it's
• 2:46
  funny
• 2:46
  actually
• 2:47
  all
• 2:47
  my
• 2:47
  roommates
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  had
• 2:48
  end
• 2:48
  up
• 2:48
  moving
• 2:48
  out
• 2:48
  from
• 2:49
  my
• 2:49
  dorm
• 2:49
  so
• 2:49
  it
• 2:49
  was
• 2:50
  like
• 2:50
  a
• 2:51
  four
• 2:51
  room,
• 2:51
  two
• 2:51
  bathroom
• 2:52
  dorm
• 2:52
  at
• 2:52
  in
• 2:53
  college
• 2:53
  and
• 2:53
  everyone
• 2:54
  had
• 2:54
  either
• 2:54
  dropped
• 2:54
  out
• 2:55
  or
• 2:55
  failed.
• 2:55
  So
• 2:56
  I
• 2:56
  had
• 2:56
  a
• 2:56
  guitar
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  and
• 2:57
  like
• 2:57
  nobody
• 2:58
  around
• 2:58
  me
• 2:58
  so
• 2:58
  I
• 2:58
  just
• 2:59
  spent
• 2:59
  hours
• 2:59
  and
• 2:59
  hours.
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  So
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  yeah.
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  Nice.
• 3:03
  Yeah.
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  Okay,
• 3:05
  that's
• 3:05
  interesting.
• 3:06
  Maybe
• 3:06
  the
• 3:07
  guitar
• 3:07
  kept
• 3:07
  you
• 3:08
  in
• 3:08
  and
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  others
• 3:08
  probably
• 3:09
  should
• 3:09
  have
• 3:09
  picked
• 3:09
  up
• 3:09
  guitar
• 3:10
  too.
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  That's
• 3:14
  interesting.
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  So
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  and
• 3:16
  you
• 3:16
  grew
• 3:17
  up
• 3:17
  outside
• 3:17
  of
• 3:17
  Toronto,
• 3:18
  like
• 3:18
  outside
• 3:18
  of
• 3:19
  the
• 3:19
  gta?
• 3:19
  Actually
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  did
• 3:20
  myself.
• 3:21
  Oh
• 3:21
  yeah,
• 3:22
  yeah,
• 3:22
  yeah.
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  grew
• 3:23
  up
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  Hamilton.
• 3:24
  Oh,
• 3:24
  okay.
• 3:25
  Yeah,
• 3:25
  very
• 3:25
  close,
• 3:25
  man.
• 3:26
  Yeah,
• 3:26
  yeah,
• 3:26
  yeah,
• 3:26
  yeah.
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  forget
• 3:28
  often
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  I
• 3:28
  did,
• 3:28
  but
• 3:29
  yeah,
• 3:29
  yeah
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  did.
• 3:31
  So
• 3:31
  I
• 3:31
  know
• 3:31
  my
• 3:32
  experience.
• 3:32
  But
• 3:32
  what
• 3:33
  was
• 3:33
  it
• 3:33
  like
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  you
• 3:34
  being
• 3:34
  like
• 3:35
  outside
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  the
• 3:36
  GTA
• 3:37
  but
• 3:37
  like.
• 3:37
  Cause
• 3:37
  you
• 3:38
  know
• 3:38
  how
• 3:38
  it
• 3:38
  is.
• 3:39
  Seems
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  be
• 3:40
  all
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  action
• 3:40
  is
• 3:41
  really
• 3:41
  in
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  Toronto
• 3:42
  area
• 3:42
  or
• 3:42
  at
• 3:43
  least
• 3:43
  it
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  for
• 3:43
  a
• 3:43
  long
• 3:44
  time.
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  mean
• 3:44
  the
• 3:45
  outskirts
• 3:45
  are
• 3:45
  getting
• 3:45
  some
• 3:46
  love
• 3:46
  now
• 3:46
  but
• 3:47
  yeah,
• 3:47
  I
• 3:48
  mean
• 3:48
  Cambridge
• 3:49
  gets
• 3:49
  some
• 3:49
  stuff.
• 3:50
  Not
• 3:50
  like
• 3:50
  acting
• 3:51
  wise,
• 3:51
  that
• 3:51
  was
• 3:51
  more
• 3:52
  so
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  not
• 3:53
  a
• 3:53
  struggle
• 3:53
  or
• 3:53
  anything
• 3:54
  but
• 3:54
  growing
• 3:55
  up
• 3:56
  my
• 3:56
  mom
• 3:57
  didn't
• 3:57
  drive
• 3:57
  and
• 3:58
  my
• 3:58
  dad
• 3:58
  worked
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  lot.
• 3:58
  So
• 3:59
  like
• 3:59
  when
• 3:59
  I
• 3:59
  went
• 3:59
  to
• 4:00
  auditions
• 4:00
  and
• 4:01
  stuff
• 4:01
  like
• 4:01
  that,
• 4:01
  it
• 4:01
  was
• 4:02
  like
• 4:02
  three,
• 4:03
  four
• 4:03
  hours
• 4:03
  each
• 4:04
  way
• 4:04
  taking
• 4:04
  buses
• 4:05
  or.
• 4:06
  Yeah,
• 4:06
  it
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  a
• 4:06
  journey.
• 4:07
  So
• 4:07
  I
• 4:08
  think
• 4:08
  that
• 4:08
  was
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  biggest
• 4:09
  struggle.
• 4:10
  Yeah,
• 4:11
  I
• 4:11
  think
• 4:11
  nowadays
• 4:12
  we
• 4:12
  get
• 4:12
  a
• 4:12
  little
• 4:12
  bit
• 4:13
  more
• 4:14
  business
• 4:14
  out
• 4:15
  in
• 4:15
  this
• 4:15
  end
• 4:15
  but
• 4:15
  still
• 4:16
  everything
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  do
• 4:16
  is
• 4:16
  either
• 4:17
  Toronto,
• 4:17
  Vancouver,
• 4:18
  Montreal,
• 4:18
  like
• 4:19
  it's
• 4:19
  nowhere
• 4:19
  nearby
• 4:20
  like
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  hubs.
• 4:21
  Yeah,
• 4:21
  yeah,
• 4:22
  yeah.
• 4:22
  Like
• 4:22
  it's
• 4:22
  nice
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  it's
• 4:23
  not
• 4:23
  too
• 4:23
  far
• 4:24
  but
• 4:25
  now
• 4:25
  that
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  drive
• 4:25
  it's
• 4:26
  not
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  big,
• 4:26
  big
• 4:26
  deal.
• 4:27
  But
• 4:27
  growing
• 4:27
  up
• 4:27
  in
• 4:28
  the
• 4:28
  industry,
• 4:28
  like
• 4:29
  yeah,
• 4:30
  like
• 4:30
  full
• 4:31
  school
• 4:31
  days
• 4:31
  off
• 4:31
  every
• 4:32
  audition
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  had.
• 4:32
  So
• 4:33
  that's
• 4:33
  crazy.
• 4:34
  Yeah,
• 4:34
  I
• 4:34
  wasn't
• 4:34
  complaining.
• 4:36
  My
• 4:36
  mom,
• 4:37
  sure,
• 4:37
  you
• 4:37
  know,
• 4:38
  maybe
• 4:38
  she
• 4:38
  didn't
• 4:39
  like
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  job
• 4:40
  sacrifice
• 4:41
  there.
• 4:41
  Yeah,
• 4:42
  yeah.
• 4:42
  But
• 4:43
  she
• 4:43
  did
• 4:43
  it
• 4:43
  and
• 4:44
  I'm
• 4:44
  grateful
• 4:44
  for
• 4:45
  that.
• 4:45
  Yeah,
• 4:46
  yeah,
• 4:47
  yeah.
• 4:48
  It's
• 4:48
  crazy,
• 4:48
  eh?
• 4:48
  Because
• 4:48
  the
• 4:49
  distance
• 4:49
  was
• 4:49
  really
• 4:49
  a
• 4:50
  thing.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:50
  maybe
• 4:50
  not
• 4:50
  having
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  car,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  being
• 4:52
  underage,
• 4:53
  it's
• 4:53
  like
• 4:53
  you're
• 4:54
  relying
• 4:54
  on
• 4:54
  a
• 4:55
  parent
• 4:55
  or
• 4:56
  somebody
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  get
• 4:56
  you
• 4:57
  around
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  these
• 4:57
  things.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:58
  like
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  said,
• 4:58
  missing
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  whole
• 4:59
  day
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  school
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  pursue
• 5:01
  an
• 5:01
  opportunity
• 5:01
  that's
• 5:02
  not
• 5:02
  even
• 5:02
  guaranteed.
• 5:03
  And
• 5:03
  this
• 5:03
  is
• 5:03
  just
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  part
• 5:03
  of
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  process.
• 5:05
  Absolutely
• 5:06
  crazy.
• 5:07
  But
• 5:07
  things
• 5:08
  have
• 5:08
  changed
• 5:08
  a
• 5:08
  lot
• 5:08
  because
• 5:09
  now,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  mean
• 5:09
  online
• 5:10
  world
• 5:10
  is
• 5:10
  so
• 5:11
  connected.
• 5:13
  Incredibly.
• 5:13
  Like
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  rarely
• 5:15
  go
• 5:15
  into
• 5:16
  in
• 5:16
  person
• 5:17
  auditions
• 5:17
  unless
• 5:17
  it's
• 5:18
  like
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  callback
• 5:19
  or
• 5:19
  something
• 5:19
  like
• 5:19
  that.
• 5:19
  Most
• 5:20
  first
• 5:20
  auditions
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  the
• 5:22
  acting
• 5:22
  side
• 5:22
  is
• 5:23
  all
• 5:23
  online
• 5:23
  now,
• 5:24
  so.
• 5:24
  Yeah,
• 5:24
  yeah,
• 5:25
  it's
• 5:25
  convenient.
• 5:26
  It's
• 5:26
  not
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  same,
• 5:27
  but
• 5:27
  it's.
• 5:27
  It's
• 5:27
  convenient
• 5:28
  at
• 5:28
  least.
• 5:28
  So.
• 5:29
  Yeah,
• 5:30
  yeah,
• 5:30
  you're
• 5:30
  right.
• 5:31
  It's
• 5:31
  not
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  same.
• 5:31
  But
• 5:31
  you
• 5:32
  can,
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  can
• 5:32
  get
• 5:32
  a
• 5:33
  lot
• 5:33
  done.
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  haven't
• 5:33
  left
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  house
• 5:34
  in
• 5:34
  like
• 5:34
  six
• 5:35
  weeks.
• 5:35
  No,
• 5:35
  I'm
• 5:35
  just
• 5:35
  joking.
• 5:36
  But
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  could
• 5:36
  get
• 5:37
  away
• 5:37
  with
• 5:37
  it
• 5:37
  these
• 5:37
  days.
• 5:38
  You
• 5:38
  could.
• 5:38
  You
• 5:38
  could.
• 5:39
  Absolutely.
• 5:39
  You
• 5:39
  could
• 5:39
  do
• 5:40
  a
• 5:40
  lot
• 5:40
  from
• 5:40
  your
• 5:40
  house
• 5:40
  now
• 5:41
  especially.
• 5:41
  Yeah,
• 5:42
  music.
• 5:42
  Music
• 5:43
  wise,
• 5:43
  too.
• 5:43
  Like
• 5:44
  all
• 5:44
  the
• 5:45
  social
• 5:45
  media
• 5:45
  stuff,
• 5:46
  which
• 5:46
  is
• 5:46
  so
• 5:46
  important
• 5:46
  these
• 5:46
  days,
• 5:47
  is
• 5:47
  all
• 5:47
  like,
• 5:47
  you
• 5:48
  know,
• 5:48
  doing
• 5:48
  a
• 5:48
  lot
• 5:48
  of
• 5:49
  work
• 5:49
  at
• 5:49
  home
• 5:49
  or
• 5:49
  going
• 5:49
  out
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  filming.
• 5:50
  You've
• 5:50
  done
• 5:50
  well
• 5:51
  there.
• 5:51
  You've
• 5:51
  done
• 5:51
  well
• 5:52
  on
• 5:52
  socials
• 5:52
  too.
• 5:53
  Thank
• 5:53
  you.
• 5:53
  I'm
• 5:54
  trying
• 5:54
  to.
• 5:54
  Yeah,
• 5:54
  it's.
• 5:56
  It's.
• 5:56
  It's
• 5:57
  different.
• 5:57
  Like,
• 5:58
  I,
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  feel
• 5:59
  like
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  kind
• 5:59
  of
• 5:59
  wish
• 6:00
  things
• 6:00
  were
• 6:00
  the
• 6:01
  way
• 6:01
  they
• 6:01
  used
• 6:01
  to
• 6:01
  be,
• 6:01
  music
• 6:01
  wise,
• 6:02
  where,
• 6:02
  you
• 6:02
  know,
• 6:02
  you.
• 6:03
  You
• 6:03
  go
• 6:03
  out
• 6:03
  and
• 6:03
  you
• 6:03
  play
• 6:03
  and
• 6:04
  hope
• 6:04
  someone
• 6:04
  hears
• 6:04
  you
• 6:05
  and.
• 6:05
  Yeah,
• 6:05
  this
• 6:06
  kind
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  stuff.
• 6:06
  But
• 6:07
  now
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:07
  really
• 6:07
  like,
• 6:08
  you
• 6:08
  got
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  be
• 6:08
  smart
• 6:08
  with
• 6:09
  marketing
• 6:09
  and
• 6:10
  different
• 6:10
  video
• 6:10
  ideas
• 6:11
  and
• 6:11
  it's,
• 6:12
  it's
• 6:12
  really
• 6:12
  changed.
• 6:13
  Not
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  I
• 6:14
  have
• 6:14
  experience
• 6:15
  prior
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  this
• 6:17
  new
• 6:17
  environment,
• 6:18
  but
• 6:18
  you're
• 6:19
  learning
• 6:19
  as
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  go,
• 6:19
  right?
• 6:21
  Yeah,
• 6:22
  yeah.
• 6:23
  It's
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  whole,
• 6:24
  whole
• 6:24
  new
• 6:24
  world
• 6:25
  landscape
• 6:26
  as
• 6:26
  far
• 6:26
  as
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  side
• 6:27
  goes.
• 6:28
  But
• 6:28
  it
• 6:28
  seems
• 6:28
  like
• 6:29
  you're
• 6:29
  adapting
• 6:29
  well.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:30
  mean,
• 6:32
  yeah,
• 6:32
  yeah,
• 6:33
  yeah,
• 6:33
  you've
• 6:33
  done
• 6:33
  well
• 6:33
  online.
• 6:35
  Is
• 6:36
  that
• 6:36
  like,
• 6:36
  how
• 6:36
  much
• 6:37
  trial
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  error
• 6:37
  has
• 6:38
  that?
• 6:38
  Well,
• 6:38
  first
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  all,
• 6:38
  do
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  enjoy
• 6:39
  that
• 6:39
  side
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  things?
• 6:40
  That's
• 6:40
  always
• 6:40
  something
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  want.
• 6:41
  Yes.
• 6:42
  Yeah,
• 6:42
  no,
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  definitely
• 6:43
  do.
• 6:43
  Especially
• 6:44
  like,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  went
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  school
• 6:45
  for
• 6:45
  film
• 6:45
  as
• 6:45
  well,
• 6:46
  so
• 6:47
  I
• 6:47
  have
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  lot
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  film
• 6:48
  people
• 6:48
  around
• 6:48
  me
• 6:48
  who
• 6:49
  come
• 6:49
  up
• 6:49
  with
• 6:49
  crazy
• 6:50
  ideas
• 6:50
  for
• 6:50
  music
• 6:51
  videos
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  okay,
• 6:52
  stuff
• 6:53
  like
• 6:53
  that.
• 6:53
  So
• 6:53
  that
• 6:54
  part's
• 6:54
  super
• 6:54
  fun.
• 6:56
  The
• 6:56
  only
• 6:56
  part,
• 6:56
  it's
• 6:57
  just
• 6:57
  like
• 6:57
  the.
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  have
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  hard
• 6:59
  time,
• 6:59
  like,
• 7:00
  posting
• 7:01
  just
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  post.
• 7:01
  Like,
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  feel
• 7:02
  like
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  want
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  post
• 7:02
  something
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  quality
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  not
• 7:04
  like
• 7:05
  posting
• 7:06
  because
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  know
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  should
• 7:06
  post
• 7:07
  like
• 7:07
  twice
• 7:07
  a
• 7:08
  week
• 7:08
  or
• 7:08
  once
• 7:08
  a
• 7:08
  day
• 7:08
  or
• 7:08
  whatever
• 7:09
  it
• 7:09
  may
• 7:09
  be.
• 7:10
  So,
• 7:10
  yeah,
• 7:11
  trying
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  navigate
• 7:11
  that
• 7:13
  but
• 7:13
  actually
• 7:14
  making
• 7:14
  like
• 7:14
  different
• 7:14
  types
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  content
• 7:15
  I
• 7:16
  do
• 7:16
  enjoy
• 7:16
  already.
• 7:18
  Well,
• 7:18
  that's,
• 7:18
  that's,
• 7:19
  that's
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  bonus.
• 7:19
  Yeah,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:20
  have
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  film
• 7:20
  background
• 7:22
  and
• 7:22
  all
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  rest.
• 7:22
  So,
• 7:23
  yeah,
• 7:23
  I
• 7:23
  guess
• 7:23
  you
• 7:23
  can.
• 7:23
  It
• 7:23
  all
• 7:23
  goes
• 7:24
  together.
• 7:24
  Like,
• 7:24
  it
• 7:24
  ties
• 7:25
  together
• 7:25
  and
• 7:26
  makes
• 7:26
  sense.
• 7:27
  Those
• 7:27
  metrics
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  like
• 7:29
  those
• 7:29
  are.
• 7:30
  Or
• 7:30
  at
• 7:30
  least
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  standards
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  how
• 7:31
  often
• 7:31
  you
• 7:32
  should
• 7:32
  be
• 7:32
  posting
• 7:32
  and
• 7:33
  all
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  stuff.
• 7:34
  That
• 7:35
  just
• 7:35
  gives
• 7:35
  me
• 7:35
  anxiety.
• 7:36
  Just
• 7:36
  thinking
• 7:36
  about.
• 7:37
  You
• 7:37
  said
• 7:37
  once,
• 7:37
  twice
• 7:38
  a
• 7:38
  week,
• 7:38
  so
• 7:38
  that's
• 7:38
  better.
• 7:38
  Because
• 7:39
  some
• 7:39
  people
• 7:39
  are
• 7:39
  like,
• 7:39
  three
• 7:40
  times
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  day,
• 7:40
  two
• 7:40
  times
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  day,
• 7:41
  every
• 7:41
  day.
• 7:42
  Seems
• 7:43
  crazy
• 7:43
  overwhelming.
• 7:44
  I'm
• 7:45
  sure
• 7:45
  there's
• 7:45
  something
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  it.
• 7:46
  Like,
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  more
• 7:46
  videos
• 7:46
  you
• 7:47
  put
• 7:47
  out,
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  more
• 7:47
  chance
• 7:48
  that,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:49
  one
• 7:49
  of
• 7:49
  them
• 7:49
  might
• 7:49
  pop
• 7:49
  off
• 7:50
  or,
• 7:50
  you
• 7:50
  know.
• 7:52
  Yeah,
• 7:52
  but.
• 7:53
  Yeah,
• 7:54
  yeah,
• 7:54
  I
• 7:55
  know
• 7:55
  about
• 7:55
  three
• 7:55
  times
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  day.
• 7:56
  That.
• 7:56
  That
• 7:56
  sounds
• 7:57
  nuts.
• 7:57
  That
• 7:57
  sounds
• 7:58
  nice.
• 7:58
  There's
• 7:58
  another
• 7:58
  side
• 7:59
  of.
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  guess
• 7:59
  if
• 7:59
  you're
• 7:59
  posting,
• 8:00
  you
• 8:01
  know,
• 8:01
  you
• 8:01
  said,
• 8:01
  like,
• 8:02
  quality
• 8:02
  things
• 8:02
  are
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  substance
• 8:03
  that,
• 8:03
  like,
• 8:04
  really
• 8:04
  matter.
• 8:04
  So
• 8:04
  you're
• 8:05
  not
• 8:05
  just
• 8:05
  throwing
• 8:05
  something
• 8:06
  out
• 8:06
  there.
• 8:06
  Yeah.
• 8:07
  There's
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  confidence
• 8:08
  that
• 8:08
  has
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  go
• 8:08
  with
• 8:08
  that,
• 8:09
  too.
• 8:09
  Like,
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  have
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  really
• 8:10
  believe
• 8:10
  in
• 8:10
  a
• 8:10
  thing
• 8:10
  to
• 8:11
  say.
• 8:11
  I'm
• 8:11
  not
• 8:11
  going
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  do
• 8:11
  this
• 8:11
  every
• 8:12
  day
• 8:12
  just
• 8:12
  so
• 8:12
  there's
• 8:13
  like,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  know,
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  higher.
• 8:14
  Higher
• 8:15
  odds
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  something
• 8:16
  popping
• 8:16
  off.
• 8:16
  But
• 8:17
  I'm
• 8:17
  going
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  put
• 8:17
  something
• 8:17
  really
• 8:18
  good
• 8:18
  together
• 8:18
  and
• 8:19
  that's
• 8:19
  it.
• 8:20
  Yeah,
• 8:21
  yeah,
• 8:21
  definitely.
• 8:22
  Definitely.
• 8:23
  That's
• 8:23
  different.
• 8:23
  Yeah,
• 8:24
  yeah.
• 8:24
  I
• 8:24
  don't
• 8:25
  know
• 8:25
  if
• 8:25
  I'm,
• 8:25
  like,
• 8:26
  delusional
• 8:27
  or
• 8:27
  confident,
• 8:28
  but
• 8:28
  I
• 8:29
  try.
• 8:29
  I
• 8:30
  try
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  keep
• 8:30
  it
• 8:30
  that
• 8:31
  way.
• 8:32
  Yeah,
• 8:33
  yeah.
• 8:35
  You
• 8:35
  have
• 8:35
  to
• 8:35
  be
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  little
• 8:35
  bit
• 8:36
  delusional
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  business
• 8:36
  sometimes.
• 8:37
  Yeah,
• 8:38
  yeah,
• 8:39
  yeah.
• 8:39
  That's.
• 8:39
  As
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  this
• 8:40
  moment,
• 8:40
  I.
• 8:41
  I'm
• 8:42
  posting
• 8:42
  once
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  year.
• 8:43
  I'm
• 8:43
  gonna
• 8:44
  get
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  highest
• 8:44
  quality,
• 8:45
  and
• 8:45
  it's
• 8:45
  gonna
• 8:45
  be
• 8:46
  that
• 8:46
  stuff
• 8:46
  for
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  year,
• 8:46
  folks.
• 8:47
  Wait
• 8:47
  for
• 8:47
  it.
• 8:48
  Genius.
• 8:49
  Genius.
• 8:50
  Someone's
• 8:51
  going
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  be
• 8:51
  like,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know
• 8:51
  what?
• 8:52
  Yeah,
• 8:52
  that's
• 8:52
  it.
• 8:53
  If
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  takes
• 8:53
  off
• 8:54
  for
• 8:54
  you,
• 8:54
  you're
• 8:54
  welcome
• 8:55
  in
• 8:55
  advance.
• 8:56
  Yeah,
• 8:56
  absolutely.
• 8:56
  Yeah,
• 8:57
  yeah.
• 8:58
  But.
• 8:58
  Okay,
• 8:59
  so
• 8:59
  on
• 8:59
  this
• 8:59
  whole
• 9:00
  social
• 9:00
  thing,
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  mean,
• 9:02
  have
• 9:02
  you
• 9:02
  noticed,
• 9:03
  like,
• 9:03
  certain
• 9:03
  patterns
• 9:03
  as
• 9:04
  far
• 9:04
  as
• 9:04
  what
• 9:04
  people
• 9:04
  want
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  see
• 9:05
  from
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  or,
• 9:06
  like,
• 9:06
  kind
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  what
• 9:06
  sticks
• 9:07
  or
• 9:07
  resonates
• 9:08
  with
• 9:08
  your
• 9:08
  audience?
• 9:11
  Yeah,
• 9:14
  man,
• 9:14
  that.
• 9:14
  That's
• 9:15
  kind
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  tough
• 9:15
  one.
• 9:15
  I've
• 9:16
  actually,
• 9:16
  like,
• 9:16
  this
• 9:16
  is
• 9:17
  something
• 9:17
  I've
• 9:17
  been
• 9:17
  trying
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  work
• 9:17
  on
• 9:18
  since
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  don't
• 9:19
  just.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:21
  I'm
• 9:21
  kind
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  like,
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  the
• 9:22
  acting.
• 9:23
  I've
• 9:23
  also
• 9:23
  worked
• 9:24
  with,
• 9:24
  like,
• 9:25
  some
• 9:25
  YouTube
• 9:25
  channel
• 9:26
  channels
• 9:26
  in
• 9:26
  the
• 9:27
  past,
• 9:27
  too.
• 9:27
  So
• 9:27
  kind
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  navigating
• 9:28
  how
• 9:28
  to,
• 9:30
  like,
• 9:30
  upload
• 9:31
  all
• 9:31
  this
• 9:31
  content
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  have
• 9:33
  all
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  my
• 9:33
  audience
• 9:34
  enjoy
• 9:34
  all
• 9:34
  of
• 9:35
  it.
• 9:35
  It's
• 9:35
  kind
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  something
• 9:36
  I've
• 9:36
  been
• 9:36
  trying
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  work
• 9:37
  on.
• 9:38
  Right.
• 9:38
  Like,
• 9:38
  trying
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  sell
• 9:39
  more
• 9:39
  so
• 9:39
  like
• 9:40
  myself
• 9:40
  rather
• 9:40
  than
• 9:41
  each
• 9:41
  individual
• 9:42
  thing
• 9:42
  I
• 9:42
  do,
• 9:42
  because
• 9:43
  for
• 9:43
  a
• 9:43
  while
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  was
• 9:44
  just
• 9:44
  posting
• 9:45
  about
• 9:45
  music.
• 9:45
  Like,
• 9:46
  I
• 9:46
  would
• 9:46
  either
• 9:46
  post
• 9:46
  covers
• 9:47
  or,
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  know,
• 9:48
  sing
• 9:48
  on
• 9:48
  Omega
• 9:49
  or
• 9:49
  something
• 9:49
  like
• 9:49
  that,
• 9:49
  or
• 9:50
  music
• 9:50
  video
• 9:50
  clips,
• 9:52
  but
• 9:52
  then
• 9:52
  I
• 9:52
  was
• 9:52
  like,
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  know,
• 9:53
  like,
• 9:53
  there's
• 9:53
  other
• 9:54
  aspects
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  my
• 9:54
  life
• 9:54
  that
• 9:55
  I.
• 9:55
  I
• 9:56
  Kind
• 9:56
  of
• 9:56
  want
• 9:56
  to
• 9:56
  post
• 9:56
  about
• 9:56
  as
• 9:57
  well.
• 9:57
  So
• 9:58
  I've
• 9:59
  been
• 9:59
  trying
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  talk
• 9:59
  more
• 10:00
  in
• 10:00
  my
• 10:00
  videos
• 10:00
  and
• 10:01
  not
• 10:01
  just
• 10:01
  have
• 10:01
  it
• 10:01
  like,
• 10:01
  you
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:02
  lip
• 10:02
  syncing
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  music
• 10:03
  or
• 10:03
  whatever
• 10:04
  it
• 10:04
  may
• 10:04
  be.
• 10:06
  We'll
• 10:06
  see
• 10:06
  where
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  takes
• 10:07
  it.
• 10:07
  But
• 10:07
  hopefully
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  can
• 10:09
  kind
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  transfer
• 10:10
  over
• 10:10
  to
• 10:11
  that.
• 10:11
  That
• 10:11
  kind
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  content
• 10:12
  where
• 10:12
  I'm
• 10:12
  doing
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  little
• 10:13
  bit
• 10:13
  of
• 10:13
  everything
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  people
• 10:14
  are
• 10:14
  following
• 10:14
  me.
• 10:15
  Yeah.
• 10:16
  Me.
• 10:16
  Than
• 10:17
  one
• 10:18
  thing
• 10:18
  or
• 10:18
  another.
• 10:19
  Still
• 10:19
  finding
• 10:19
  that,
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  guess
• 10:20
  that
• 10:20
  balance
• 10:21
  that
• 10:21
  works
• 10:21
  for
• 10:21
  you
• 10:22
  and.
• 10:22
  Yeah.
• 10:23
  That
• 10:23
  dirty
• 10:24
  word,
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  algorithms.
• 10:25
  And
• 10:25
  then
• 10:25
  still
• 10:26
  being
• 10:26
  like
• 10:26
  your
• 10:27
  true
• 10:27
  self
• 10:27
  and.
• 10:28
  Yeah.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:29
  then
• 10:29
  you
• 10:29
  do.
• 10:29
  You
• 10:29
  do
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  lot
• 10:30
  more.
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  mean
• 10:31
  as
• 10:31
  far
• 10:31
  as.
• 10:32
  A
• 10:32
  lot
• 10:32
  of.
• 10:33
  A
• 10:33
  lot
• 10:33
  of
• 10:33
  people
• 10:33
  are
• 10:33
  focused
• 10:34
  on
• 10:34
  like
• 10:34
  one
• 10:34
  thing
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  that's
• 10:35
  going
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  be
• 10:35
  as
• 10:36
  an
• 10:36
  artist
• 10:36
  focusing
• 10:37
  on
• 10:37
  music.
• 10:37
  But
• 10:37
  when
• 10:37
  you
• 10:37
  take
• 10:38
  into
• 10:38
  consideration
• 10:39
  acting
• 10:39
  and
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  other,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:41
  film.
• 10:41
  Yeah.
• 10:42
  Related
• 10:42
  things,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:43
  do
• 10:43
  that.
• 10:43
  That
• 10:43
  does
• 10:44
  seem
• 10:44
  like
• 10:44
  it
• 10:44
  would
• 10:44
  present
• 10:45
  some
• 10:45
  challenges
• 10:45
  as
• 10:46
  far
• 10:46
  as
• 10:46
  just
• 10:47
  the
• 10:47
  light
• 10:48
  to
• 10:48
  show
• 10:48
  yourself
• 10:49
  in.
• 10:49
  And
• 10:49
  then
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  have
• 10:50
  split
• 10:50
  audiences.
• 10:50
  Some
• 10:51
  people
• 10:51
  love
• 10:51
  film
• 10:51
  only
• 10:52
  and
• 10:52
  not
• 10:52
  really
• 10:53
  big
• 10:53
  on
• 10:53
  music
• 10:54
  and.
• 10:54
  Exactly.
• 10:55
  Okay.
• 10:56
  That's
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  tough
• 10:56
  part.
• 10:57
  Like
• 10:57
  if
• 10:57
  people
• 10:57
  are
• 10:57
  following
• 10:58
  me
• 10:58
  because
• 10:58
  they
• 10:58
  saw
• 10:58
  like
• 10:59
  a
• 10:59
  post
• 10:59
  of
• 10:59
  mine
• 10:59
  about
• 10:59
  music
• 11:00
  and
• 11:00
  then
• 11:00
  start
• 11:00
  posting
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  something
• 11:01
  else,
• 11:01
  then,
• 11:02
  you
• 11:02
  know,
• 11:02
  they
• 11:03
  might
• 11:03
  lose
• 11:03
  interest.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:04
  then
• 11:06
  like
• 11:06
  when
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  was
• 11:06
  growing
• 11:06
  up,
• 11:07
  like
• 11:07
  on
• 11:07
  social
• 11:07
  media,
• 11:08
  all
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  my
• 11:08
  following
• 11:08
  was
• 11:09
  from
• 11:09
  acting.
• 11:10
  So
• 11:10
  you're
• 11:10
  not
• 11:11
  music
• 11:11
  stuff.
• 11:12
  Like
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  gotta
• 11:12
  figure
• 11:13
  out
• 11:13
  how
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  sell
• 11:13
  them
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  that.
• 11:14
  So.
• 11:14
  Yeah,
• 11:14
  yeah,
• 11:15
  yeah,
• 11:15
  yeah.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:16
  then
• 11:17
  on
• 11:17
  the
• 11:18
  music
• 11:18
  part
• 11:18
  too.
• 11:18
  How
• 11:19
  did
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  kind
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  discover
• 11:20
  your
• 11:20
  lane?
• 11:20
  Is
• 11:20
  it
• 11:21
  more
• 11:21
  like,
• 11:23
  like
• 11:24
  valid?
• 11:27
  Yeah.
• 11:28
  When
• 11:28
  I
• 11:28
  first
• 11:28
  started
• 11:28
  writing
• 11:29
  stuff,
• 11:29
  like
• 11:29
  I
• 11:29
  said.
• 11:30
  So
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  was
• 11:30
  going
• 11:31
  on
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  road
• 11:31
  trip
• 11:31
  and
• 11:31
  I
• 11:32
  stopped
• 11:32
  off
• 11:32
  at
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  friend's
• 11:32
  house
• 11:34
  and
• 11:34
  he
• 11:35
  had
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  guitar
• 11:35
  and
• 11:35
  I
• 11:36
  didn't
• 11:36
  know
• 11:36
  how
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  play
• 11:36
  guitar.
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  played
• 11:37
  piano
• 11:37
  my
• 11:38
  life.
• 11:38
  But
• 11:39
  I
• 11:39
  picked
• 11:39
  it
• 11:40
  up
• 11:40
  and
• 11:40
  like
• 11:40
  was
• 11:40
  just
• 11:40
  messing
• 11:41
  around
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  wrote
• 11:42
  like
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  small
• 11:42
  little
• 11:43
  tune
• 11:43
  or
• 11:43
  something.
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  was
• 11:44
  like,
• 11:44
  this
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  kind
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  fun.
• 11:44
  So
• 11:45
  yeah,
• 11:45
  when
• 11:45
  I
• 11:45
  got
• 11:45
  back,
• 11:45
  I
• 11:46
  went
• 11:46
  on
• 11:46
  Facebook
• 11:47
  Marketplace
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  bought
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  guitar.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:49
  this
• 11:50
  music
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  started
• 11:50
  making
• 11:51
  in
• 11:51
  the
• 11:51
  very
• 11:51
  beginning,
• 11:51
  kind
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  just
• 11:52
  messing
• 11:52
  around
• 11:52
  is
• 11:53
  so
• 11:53
  different
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  what
• 11:53
  it
• 11:54
  is
• 11:54
  now.
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  have
• 11:55
  one
• 11:55
  track
• 11:55
  that
• 11:56
  was
• 11:56
  one
• 11:57
  of
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  first
• 11:57
  songs
• 11:57
  that
• 11:57
  I
• 11:58
  was
• 11:58
  writing
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  messing
• 11:59
  around
• 11:59
  with
• 12:00
  on
• 12:00
  guitar.
• 12:00
  And
• 12:00
  it's
• 12:00
  so
• 12:00
  different
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  whole
• 12:01
  ballad
• 12:01
  stuff.
• 12:02
  So.
• 12:02
  Yeah.
• 12:03
  Putting
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  out
• 12:04
  kind
• 12:04
  of.
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  don't
• 12:06
  know.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  put
• 12:07
  out
• 12:07
  that
• 12:08
  one
• 12:08
  and
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  don't
• 12:12
  know
• 12:12
  what
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  change
• 12:13
  was.
• 12:14
  Okay.
• 12:14
  If
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  just
• 12:15
  got
• 12:15
  sadder.
• 12:18
  But
• 12:18
  somehow
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  went
• 12:19
  from
• 12:19
  playing
• 12:20
  like
• 12:20
  upbeat
• 12:21
  songs
• 12:21
  on
• 12:21
  my
• 12:21
  guitar.
• 12:22
  Yeah.
• 12:22
  Sitting
• 12:23
  out
• 12:23
  my
• 12:23
  piano
• 12:24
  and
• 12:24
  like
• 12:24
  pouring
• 12:25
  my
• 12:25
  soul
• 12:25
  out
• 12:26
  yeah,
• 12:26
  yeah.
• 12:26
  The
• 12:26
  rainy
• 12:27
  days
• 12:27
  were
• 12:27
  best
• 12:27
  for
• 12:28
  that
• 12:28
  writing
• 12:28
  session.
• 12:29
  Yeah,
• 12:29
  Yeah.
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  don't
• 12:31
  know
• 12:31
  if
• 12:31
  it's
• 12:31
  just
• 12:32
  I
• 12:32
  listen
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  lot
• 12:32
  of.
• 12:33
  A
• 12:33
  lot
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  that
• 12:33
  type
• 12:33
  of
• 12:34
  music,
• 12:34
  like
• 12:34
  Louis
• 12:34
  Capaldi,
• 12:37
  all
• 12:37
  these
• 12:38
  people
• 12:38
  who
• 12:38
  kind
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  make
• 12:38
  more
• 12:39
  ballad
• 12:39
  stuff.
• 12:40
  So
• 12:40
  I
• 12:40
  don't
• 12:40
  know
• 12:41
  if
• 12:41
  that's
• 12:41
  why
• 12:41
  I
• 12:42
  went
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  route.
• 12:42
  Draws
• 12:43
  it
• 12:43
  out
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  you,
• 12:43
  right?
• 12:44
  Yeah,
• 12:44
  Yeah,
• 12:45
  I
• 12:45
  guess.
• 12:45
  You
• 12:45
  mentioned
• 12:45
  therapy,
• 12:46
  so
• 12:46
  I
• 12:46
  guess
• 12:46
  that's
• 12:46
  where
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  therapeutic
• 12:47
  aspect
• 12:48
  comes
• 12:48
  in.
• 12:48
  Exactly.
• 12:49
  You're
• 12:49
  just
• 12:50
  letting
• 12:50
  it
• 12:50
  all
• 12:51
  out.
• 12:51
  You
• 12:51
  ever
• 12:51
  cry
• 12:51
  when
• 12:52
  you're
• 12:52
  writing
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  song?
• 12:53
  Yeah,
• 12:54
  yeah,
• 12:54
  it's
• 12:54
  happened.
• 12:54
  It's
• 12:55
  happened.
• 12:55
  I
• 12:56
  started
• 12:56
  laughing
• 12:56
  before
• 12:56
  I
• 12:57
  knew
• 12:57
  you
• 12:57
  were
• 12:57
  gonna
• 12:57
  say
• 12:57
  yes.
• 12:58
  Yeah,
• 12:59
  you
• 12:59
  never
• 12:59
  know,
• 12:59
  man.
• 13:01
  These
• 13:01
  days,
• 13:01
  not
• 13:01
  so
• 13:01
  much,
• 13:02
  but
• 13:02
  definitely
• 13:03
  in
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  beginning
• 13:03
  when
• 13:04
  I
• 13:04
  was
• 13:04
  going
• 13:04
  through
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  and
• 13:04
  you
• 13:05
  know.
• 13:05
  Yeah,
• 13:05
  yeah,
• 13:05
  yeah.
• 13:06
  That's
• 13:07
  cool,
• 13:07
  man.
• 13:07
  That's
• 13:07
  like.
• 13:08
  That's.
• 13:08
  That's
• 13:08
  true.
• 13:09
  Yeah.
• 13:09
  That's
• 13:10
  drawing
• 13:10
  emotions
• 13:11
  for
• 13:11
  sure.
• 13:11
  Yeah.
• 13:12
  Geez.
• 13:13
  I
• 13:13
  might
• 13:13
  sit
• 13:13
  down,
• 13:13
  have
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  good
• 13:14
  crying,
• 13:14
  and
• 13:15
  write
• 13:15
  a
• 13:15
  song
• 13:15
  this
• 13:15
  afternoon.
• 13:16
  That's
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  good.
• 13:17
  Yeah,
• 13:17
  I'll
• 13:17
  do
• 13:17
  it
• 13:17
  as
• 13:17
  well,
• 13:18
  man.
• 13:18
  Yeah,
• 13:18
  yeah,
• 13:19
  yeah.
• 13:20
  So
• 13:20
  is
• 13:20
  guitar
• 13:20
  your
• 13:21
  preferred
• 13:21
  way
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  writing?
• 13:22
  No,
• 13:23
  it's
• 13:23
  definitely
• 13:24
  piano
• 13:24
  now.
• 13:24
  Oh,
• 13:25
  okay.
• 13:25
  Okay.
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  kind
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  just
• 13:26
  started
• 13:27
  off
• 13:27
  that
• 13:27
  way.
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  think
• 13:27
  it's
• 13:28
  because,
• 13:28
  like,
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  was
• 13:28
  in
• 13:28
  college
• 13:29
  in
• 13:29
  a
• 13:29
  dorm.
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  didn't
• 13:30
  have
• 13:30
  a
• 13:30
  piano
• 13:31
  there.
• 13:31
  So
• 13:32
  when
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  did
• 13:32
  pick
• 13:32
  up
• 13:33
  my
• 13:33
  guitar,
• 13:33
  like
• 13:34
  on
• 13:34
  my
• 13:34
  off
• 13:34
  time,
• 13:34
  that
• 13:35
  was
• 13:35
  all
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  was
• 13:35
  doing.
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  had
• 13:35
  no
• 13:36
  roommates
• 13:36
  anymore,
• 13:36
  so
• 13:36
  I
• 13:37
  was
• 13:37
  just
• 13:38
  in
• 13:38
  my
• 13:38
  room
• 13:38
  messing
• 13:39
  around.
• 13:39
  I
• 13:39
  had
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  guitar,
• 13:40
  watching
• 13:40
  YouTube
• 13:41
  videos
• 13:41
  and,
• 13:42
  yeah,
• 13:42
  that
• 13:42
  was
• 13:43
  my
• 13:44
  only
• 13:44
  option
• 13:44
  to.
• 13:45
  To
• 13:45
  sing
• 13:45
  and
• 13:45
  stuff.
• 13:46
  So
• 13:46
  that's
• 13:47
  cool.
• 13:47
  Yeah.
• 13:48
  So
• 13:48
  you've
• 13:48
  come
• 13:48
  a
• 13:49
  long
• 13:49
  way
• 13:49
  since
• 13:49
  then.
• 13:49
  Obviously
• 13:50
  you've
• 13:50
  done
• 13:51
  a
• 13:51
  lot,
• 13:51
  you
• 13:51
  know,
• 13:51
  a
• 13:51
  lot
• 13:51
  of
• 13:52
  things.
• 13:52
  You've
• 13:52
  also
• 13:53
  connected
• 13:53
  with
• 13:53
  a
• 13:53
  lot
• 13:54
  of,
• 13:54
  like,
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  industry
• 13:55
  professionals
• 13:56
  and,
• 13:56
  yeah,
• 13:57
  things
• 13:57
  like
• 13:58
  that.
• 13:58
  How
• 13:58
  did,
• 13:58
  like,
• 13:59
  what's.
• 13:59
  What
• 13:59
  took
• 13:59
  place?
• 14:00
  So
• 14:00
  you're
• 14:00
  in
• 14:00
  your
• 14:00
  dorm
• 14:01
  room
• 14:01
  practicing
• 14:02
  what
• 14:02
  kind
• 14:03
  was
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  next
• 14:04
  steps
• 14:04
  to
• 14:04
  kind
• 14:05
  of
• 14:05
  get
• 14:05
  you
• 14:05
  in
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  direction
• 14:06
  that
• 14:06
  you
• 14:06
  are
• 14:07
  currently.
• 14:07
  The
• 14:07
  path
• 14:07
  that
• 14:07
  you're
• 14:08
  currently
• 14:08
  on.
• 14:09
  And
• 14:09
  so,
• 14:10
  yeah,
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  was
• 14:12
  writing
• 14:13
  my
• 14:13
  dorm
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  then
• 14:14
  I
• 14:15
  was
• 14:15
  chatting
• 14:15
  with
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  good
• 14:16
  buddy
• 14:16
  of
• 14:16
  mine.
• 14:16
  His
• 14:16
  dad
• 14:17
  owns
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  recording
• 14:17
  studio
• 14:18
  in
• 14:18
  his,
• 14:18
  like,
• 14:18
  basement.
• 14:19
  That's
• 14:19
  his
• 14:19
  profession.
• 14:20
  He
• 14:20
  does
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  lot
• 14:20
  of,
• 14:20
  like,
• 14:21
  voice
• 14:21
  acting
• 14:21
  work
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  stuff
• 14:22
  like
• 14:22
  that.
• 14:23
  Nice.
• 14:24
  So
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  think
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  was
• 14:24
  just
• 14:24
  chatting
• 14:25
  with
• 14:25
  him
• 14:25
  and
• 14:25
  he
• 14:25
  was
• 14:25
  like,
• 14:25
  hey,
• 14:26
  like,
• 14:26
  if
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  want
• 14:26
  to,
• 14:26
  like,
• 14:27
  just
• 14:27
  test
• 14:27
  out
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  first
• 14:28
  song,
• 14:28
  like,
• 14:29
  come
• 14:29
  through
• 14:29
  and.
• 14:29
  And
• 14:30
  we'll
• 14:30
  record
• 14:30
  it.
• 14:30
  So
• 14:31
  I
• 14:31
  did
• 14:31
  that.
• 14:31
  And
• 14:32
  then
• 14:33
  when
• 14:33
  I
• 14:33
  started
• 14:33
  writing,
• 14:34
  like,
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  more
• 14:34
  ballad
• 14:35
  stuff,
• 14:36
  I
• 14:36
  would
• 14:36
  sing
• 14:37
  Sing
• 14:37
  them
• 14:37
  to
• 14:37
  people
• 14:37
  on
• 14:37
  Omega
• 14:38
  a
• 14:38
  lot.
• 14:39
  And
• 14:39
  I
• 14:39
  got
• 14:39
  a
• 14:40
  great
• 14:40
  response
• 14:40
  there.
• 14:40
  Like
• 14:40
  people
• 14:41
  seemed
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  enjoy
• 14:41
  it.
• 14:41
  And
• 14:41
  then
• 14:42
  I
• 14:42
  ran
• 14:42
  into
• 14:43
  a
• 14:43
  creator
• 14:43
  in
• 14:44
  Southeast
• 14:44
  Asia
• 14:45
  who
• 14:45
  ended
• 14:45
  up
• 14:45
  posting
• 14:46
  it
• 14:46
  and
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  got
• 14:47
  quite
• 14:48
  a
• 14:48
  good
• 14:48
  response
• 14:48
  there.
• 14:48
  Like
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  video
• 14:49
  got
• 14:50
  over
• 14:50
  1.6
• 14:51
  million
• 14:51
  views.
• 14:52
  I
• 14:52
  think.
• 14:52
  So.
• 14:52
  Yeah.
• 14:54
  When
• 14:54
  people
• 14:54
  were
• 14:54
  relating
• 14:54
  to
• 14:55
  it
• 14:55
  in
• 14:55
  the
• 14:55
  comments
• 14:55
  and
• 14:55
  stuff,
• 14:55
  I
• 14:56
  was
• 14:56
  like,
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  think
• 14:56
  this
• 14:56
  is
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  direction
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  go.
• 14:57
  Yeah.
• 14:59
  Just
• 14:59
  about
• 14:59
  two
• 14:59
  years
• 15:00
  ago,
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  first
• 15:00
  put
• 15:01
  out
• 15:01
  my
• 15:01
  first
• 15:01
  more
• 15:01
  like
• 15:02
  ballad
• 15:02
  song
• 15:02
  where
• 15:04
  it's
• 15:04
  kind
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  more
• 15:04
  my
• 15:04
  thing.
• 15:05
  And
• 15:06
  yeah.
• 15:06
  Yeah.
• 15:07
  Ever
• 15:07
  since
• 15:07
  then
• 15:07
  I've
• 15:07
  just
• 15:08
  been
• 15:08
  continuing
• 15:09
  at
• 15:09
  it
• 15:09
  every
• 15:09
  once
• 15:09
  in
• 15:10
  a
• 15:10
  while,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  know,
• 15:11
  budget
• 15:11
  wise,
• 15:12
  when
• 15:13
  it
• 15:13
  allows
• 15:13
  for
• 15:13
  it.
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  try
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  work
• 15:14
  with
• 15:15
  different
• 15:15
  producers
• 15:16
  in
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  industry.
• 15:18
  Just
• 15:18
  go
• 15:19
  through
• 15:19
  my.
• 15:20
  My
• 15:20
  like
• 15:20
  song
• 15:20
  is
• 15:20
  on
• 15:20
  Spotify,
• 15:21
  look
• 15:21
  at
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  credits
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  email
• 15:22
  away.
• 15:23
  Probably
• 15:23
  send
• 15:24
  like
• 15:24
  20,
• 15:25
  30,
• 15:25
  40
• 15:25
  emails
• 15:26
  before
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  get
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  response.
• 15:26
  But
• 15:27
  then
• 15:27
  I
• 15:27
  do
• 15:27
  get
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  response
• 15:28
  and
• 15:28
  you
• 15:29
  know,
• 15:30
  it's
• 15:30
  worth
• 15:30
  it.
• 15:30
  So
• 15:31
  that's
• 15:32
  where
• 15:32
  I'm
• 15:32
  at
• 15:32
  now.
• 15:32
  I.
• 15:33
  Yeah,
• 15:33
  yeah.
• 15:34
  No,
• 15:34
  exactly.
• 15:35
  So,
• 15:36
  yeah,
• 15:36
  these
• 15:36
  days
• 15:36
  I
• 15:37
  just
• 15:38
  write,
• 15:39
  right.
• 15:40
  Go
• 15:40
  to
• 15:40
  Toronto
• 15:40
  to
• 15:40
  record.
• 15:41
  I
• 15:42
  produce
• 15:42
  most
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  my
• 15:43
  music
• 15:43
  and
• 15:44
  then,
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  know,
• 15:44
  when
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  can
• 15:45
  try
• 15:46
  to
• 15:46
  work
• 15:46
  with
• 15:46
  some
• 15:46
  other
• 15:46
  people.
• 15:47
  And
• 15:48
  yeah,
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  think
• 15:48
  it's
• 15:49
  important
• 15:49
  too.
• 15:49
  Not
• 15:49
  only
• 15:50
  because,
• 15:50
  you
• 15:50
  know,
• 15:50
  their
• 15:50
  work
• 15:51
  is
• 15:51
  different
• 15:51
  and
• 15:52
  probably
• 15:52
  better
• 15:53
  as
• 15:53
  well.
• 15:54
  But
• 15:56
  rely
• 15:56
  on
• 15:56
  other
• 15:56
  people's
• 15:57
  strengths.
• 15:58
  Yeah.
• 15:59
  100.
• 15:59
  I
• 16:00
  learned
• 16:00
  something
• 16:00
  every
• 16:01
  time
• 16:01
  that,
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  know,
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  get
• 16:02
  stems
• 16:02
  back
• 16:02
  from
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  producer.
• 16:03
  That's
• 16:04
  important.
• 16:04
  That's
• 16:04
  important.
• 16:05
  Always
• 16:06
  learning,
• 16:07
  man.
• 16:08
  So
• 16:09
  as
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  were
• 16:09
  talking,
• 16:10
  I
• 16:10
  thought
• 16:10
  about
• 16:10
  something.
• 16:10
  I
• 16:11
  don't
• 16:11
  even
• 16:11
  know
• 16:11
  if
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  really
• 16:11
  considered
• 16:12
  this
• 16:12
  before
• 16:13
  because
• 16:13
  I
• 16:13
  know
• 16:13
  there's
• 16:14
  this
• 16:14
  feeling
• 16:14
  when
• 16:14
  you're
• 16:14
  in
• 16:14
  front
• 16:15
  of
• 16:15
  a
• 16:15
  live
• 16:15
  audience
• 16:16
  and
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  get
• 16:16
  that
• 16:16
  automatic
• 16:17
  feedback
• 16:17
  and
• 16:18
  it's
• 16:18
  like,
• 16:18
  you
• 16:18
  know,
• 16:19
  you're
• 16:19
  like
• 16:19
  on
• 16:19
  cloud
• 16:20
  a
• 16:20
  thousand.
• 16:20
  It
• 16:21
  just
• 16:21
  feels
• 16:21
  amazing.
• 16:23
  But
• 16:23
  what's
• 16:23
  it
• 16:23
  like
• 16:24
  when
• 16:24
  you
• 16:24
  hit
• 16:24
  those,
• 16:25
  like
• 16:25
  those
• 16:25
  high
• 16:26
  numbers?
• 16:26
  Because
• 16:26
  obviously,
• 16:27
  you
• 16:27
  know,
• 16:27
  a
• 16:28
  million
• 16:28
  people,
• 16:28
  you're
• 16:29
  not
• 16:29
  going
• 16:29
  to
• 16:29
  be
• 16:29
  in
• 16:29
  a
• 16:29
  room
• 16:29
  that
• 16:29
  big.
• 16:30
  Yeah.
• 16:31
  Yeah.
• 16:31
  Is
• 16:32
  that
• 16:32
  like.
• 16:32
  Does
• 16:32
  that
• 16:33
  like
• 16:33
  compare
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  that
• 16:34
  live
• 16:35
  feeling
• 16:35
  when
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  wow
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  crowd?
• 16:37
  That
• 16:38
  response.
• 16:41
  Then
• 16:41
  that's
• 16:41
  hard
• 16:42
  to
• 16:42
  say.
• 16:43
  I,
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  would
• 16:45
  say
• 16:46
  no.
• 16:47
  I,
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  still
• 16:48
  think
• 16:48
  even
• 16:48
  like,
• 16:50
  like
• 16:51
  any
• 16:51
  size
• 16:51
  of
• 16:51
  live
• 16:52
  audience,
• 16:52
  if
• 16:52
  there's
• 16:52
  a
• 16:52
  good
• 16:53
  reaction,
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  feel
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  little
• 16:54
  bit
• 16:55
  more
• 16:55
  just
• 16:55
  because
• 16:56
  like
• 16:56
  it's,
• 16:56
  it's
• 16:57
  a
• 16:57
  number
• 16:57
  on
• 16:57
  my
• 16:57
  screen.
• 16:58
  Yeah.
• 17:00
  When
• 17:13
  Right?
• 17:14
  Yeah,
• 17:14
  yeah,
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  makes
• 17:15
  sense.
• 17:15
  That
• 17:15
  makes
• 17:16
  sense.
• 17:16
  These
• 17:17
  numbers,
• 17:17
  like,
• 17:17
  do
• 17:18
  matter
• 17:18
  in
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  sense.
• 17:18
  Not
• 17:19
  that
• 17:19
  they,
• 17:19
  you
• 17:19
  know,
• 17:19
  it's
• 17:20
  not
• 17:20
  just
• 17:20
  about
• 17:20
  numbers,
• 17:20
  but.
• 17:21
  Right.
• 17:22
  They
• 17:22
  do
• 17:22
  reach
• 17:22
  people,
• 17:23
  and
• 17:23
  people
• 17:23
  reach
• 17:24
  out
• 17:24
  and
• 17:25
  they
• 17:26
  say,
• 17:26
  I've,
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  know,
• 17:27
  either
• 17:27
  made
• 17:27
  a
• 17:27
  difference
• 17:27
  or,
• 17:28
  you
• 17:28
  know,
• 17:28
  they
• 17:28
  felt
• 17:29
  seen
• 17:29
  or
• 17:29
  something
• 17:30
  like
• 17:30
  this.
• 17:30
  Yeah.
• 17:31
  Like,
• 17:31
  wow.
• 17:31
  Like,
• 17:32
  kind
• 17:33
  of
• 17:33
  keeps
• 17:33
  me
• 17:33
  going.
• 17:33
  Really
• 17:34
  validating,
• 17:35
  right?
• 17:35
  Yeah,
• 17:36
  yeah,
• 17:36
  absolutely.
• 17:36
  It
• 17:37
  is
• 17:37
  cool,
• 17:37
  though,
• 17:37
  because,
• 17:37
  I
• 17:38
  mean,
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  online
• 17:38
  space,
• 17:39
  you're
• 17:39
  reaching
• 17:39
  people
• 17:40
  all
• 17:40
  across
• 17:40
  the
• 17:41
  world,
• 17:41
  people
• 17:41
  you
• 17:41
  probably
• 17:42
  will
• 17:42
  never
• 17:42
  see
• 17:42
  or
• 17:43
  meet.
• 17:43
  Yeah.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:44
  you're
• 17:44
  impacting
• 17:44
  them
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  some
• 17:45
  way.
• 17:45
  That's.
• 17:46
  That's.
• 17:46
  It's
• 17:47
  neat,
• 17:47
  man.
• 17:47
  Yeah,
• 17:48
  yeah,
• 17:49
  yeah.
• 17:50
  That's
• 17:50
  really
• 17:50
  cool
• 17:51
  as
• 17:52
  far
• 17:52
  as,
• 17:52
  like,
• 17:53
  because
• 17:53
  there's
• 17:53
  so
• 17:53
  many
• 17:53
  hats
• 17:54
  that
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  have
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  wear
• 17:54
  as
• 17:55
  an
• 17:55
  artist,
• 17:56
  and
• 17:56
  a
• 17:56
  lot
• 17:57
  of
• 17:57
  people
• 17:57
  struggle
• 17:58
  not
• 17:58
  only
• 17:58
  with
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  social
• 17:59
  and
• 17:59
  marketing
• 17:59
  side,
• 18:00
  but
• 18:00
  then,
• 18:01
  you
• 18:01
  know,
• 18:01
  how
• 18:02
  that
• 18:02
  branding
• 18:03
  directly
• 18:03
  relates.
• 18:05
  A
• 18:05
  lot
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  people
• 18:05
  struggle
• 18:06
  to
• 18:06
  find,
• 18:06
  like,
• 18:07
  their,
• 18:08
  like,
• 18:08
  their
• 18:08
  voice,
• 18:09
  so
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  speak,
• 18:09
  like,
• 18:10
  what
• 18:10
  image
• 18:10
  they
• 18:10
  want
• 18:11
  to
• 18:11
  put
• 18:11
  out.
• 18:11
  And
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  see
• 18:12
  artists
• 18:12
  changing
• 18:13
  all
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  time.
• 18:14
  It's
• 18:14
  like
• 18:14
  you're
• 18:14
  trying
• 18:14
  to
• 18:15
  see
• 18:15
  what
• 18:15
  resonates
• 18:16
  with
• 18:16
  other
• 18:16
  people.
• 18:18
  What
• 18:18
  lessons
• 18:19
  have
• 18:19
  you
• 18:19
  learned
• 18:19
  in,
• 18:20
  like,
• 18:20
  just
• 18:20
  staying
• 18:20
  true
• 18:21
  to
• 18:21
  who
• 18:21
  you
• 18:21
  are,
• 18:21
  what
• 18:22
  you
• 18:22
  do?
• 18:23
  Because
• 18:23
  it's
• 18:23
  really.
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  could
• 18:24
  see,
• 18:24
  like,
• 18:24
  if
• 18:25
  someone
• 18:25
  likes
• 18:25
  something
• 18:25
  that
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  don't
• 18:26
  necessarily
• 18:27
  connect
• 18:27
  with,
• 18:28
  I
• 18:28
  could
• 18:28
  see
• 18:28
  how
• 18:28
  it
• 18:29
  might
• 18:29
  give
• 18:29
  you
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  little
• 18:31
  push
• 18:31
  to
• 18:31
  be
• 18:31
  like,
• 18:31
  you
• 18:31
  know,
• 18:31
  I'm
• 18:32
  going
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  do
• 18:32
  more
• 18:32
  of
• 18:32
  that
• 18:32
  thing.
• 18:33
  Yeah.
• 18:33
  See
• 18:34
  how
• 18:34
  you
• 18:34
  can
• 18:34
  lose
• 18:34
  your
• 18:34
  way
• 18:35
  pretty
• 18:35
  quickly.
• 18:35
  So
• 18:36
  what's,
• 18:36
  like,
• 18:37
  what.
• 18:37
  What
• 18:37
  have
• 18:37
  you
• 18:38
  learned
• 18:38
  from
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  you
• 18:38
  can
• 18:39
  share?
• 18:40
  I've
• 18:40
  definitely,
• 18:40
  like,
• 18:41
  I've
• 18:41
  definitely
• 18:42
  let
• 18:42
  that
• 18:42
  sort
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  influence
• 18:43
  me
• 18:43
  in
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  past
• 18:43
  where,
• 18:44
  like,
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  know,
• 18:44
  if
• 18:44
  one
• 18:44
  type
• 18:45
  of
• 18:45
  video
• 18:45
  would
• 18:45
  do
• 18:45
  well,
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  would
• 18:47
  try
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  go
• 18:47
  down
• 18:48
  that
• 18:48
  lane
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  little
• 18:48
  bit
• 18:49
  more.
• 18:49
  Or.
• 18:50
  Which
• 18:50
  makes
• 18:50
  sense.
• 18:51
  Yeah.
• 18:51
  Which
• 18:51
  makes
• 18:52
  sense.
• 18:52
  But
• 18:53
  in
• 18:53
  my
• 18:53
  opinion,
• 18:54
  like,
• 18:55
  if
• 18:55
  I'm
• 18:56
  gonna
• 18:56
  build
• 18:56
  an
• 18:56
  audience
• 18:57
  and
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  want
• 18:57
  it
• 18:57
  to
• 18:58
  last
• 18:58
  long
• 18:58
  term,
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  should
• 18:59
  just
• 18:59
  be
• 18:59
  authentic
• 19:00
  and,
• 19:00
  you
• 19:00
  know,
• 19:00
  whatever
• 19:01
  that
• 19:01
  looks
• 19:01
  like
• 19:01
  is
• 19:02
  how
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  looks
• 19:03
  like.
• 19:03
  And
• 19:03
  if,
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  know,
• 19:03
  they
• 19:03
  like
• 19:03
  it,
• 19:04
  they
• 19:04
  like
• 19:04
  it.
• 19:04
  If
• 19:04
  they
• 19:04
  don't,
• 19:04
  they
• 19:05
  don't.
• 19:05
  Yeah.
• 19:06
  I'd
• 19:06
  rather
• 19:07
  slowly
• 19:07
  build
• 19:07
  an
• 19:07
  audience
• 19:08
  who's
• 19:08
  like,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  know,
• 19:09
  really
• 19:09
  supporting
• 19:10
  me
• 19:11
  rather
• 19:11
  than,
• 19:12
  you
• 19:12
  know,
• 19:12
  having
• 19:12
  a
• 19:13
  million
• 19:13
  followers
• 19:13
  because
• 19:14
  I
• 19:14
  posted
• 19:14
  a
• 19:15
  couple
• 19:15
  viral
• 19:15
  videos,
• 19:16
  you
• 19:17
  know,
• 19:17
  I
• 19:17
  don't
• 19:18
  think.
• 19:18
  Who
• 19:19
  knows,
• 19:19
  there's
• 19:19
  some
• 19:20
  people
• 19:20
  who
• 19:20
  can
• 19:20
  pull
• 19:20
  it
• 19:20
  off
• 19:20
  where,
• 19:21
  you
• 19:21
  know,
• 19:21
  maybe
• 19:22
  they
• 19:22
  start
• 19:22
  with,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:23
  know,
• 19:23
  bringing
• 19:23
  all
• 19:24
  these
• 19:24
  people
• 19:24
  in
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  then
• 19:24
  transition
• 19:25
  into,
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  know,
• 19:26
  getting
• 19:26
  them
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  be
• 19:26
  real
• 19:27
  supporters,
• 19:27
  true
• 19:27
  fans.
• 19:28
  Yeah.
• 19:28
  True
• 19:29
  fans,
• 19:30
  but
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  am
• 19:31
  not
• 19:31
  a
• 19:32
  master
• 19:32
  at
• 19:32
  that,
• 19:32
  so
• 19:34
  I
• 19:35
  don't
• 19:35
  know
• 19:35
  if
• 19:35
  that's
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  route
• 19:36
  for
• 19:36
  me.
• 19:36
  So,
• 19:37
  yeah,
• 19:38
  in
• 19:38
  recent
• 19:38
  months
• 19:38
  I've
• 19:39
  just
• 19:39
  trying
• 19:39
  to
• 19:40
  just
• 19:41
  post
• 19:41
  whatever
• 19:41
  I
• 19:42
  think
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  or.
• 19:43
  Yeah,
• 19:43
  you
• 19:43
  know
• 19:44
  how
• 19:44
  I
• 19:45
  feel
• 19:45
  to
• 19:45
  post.
• 19:45
  And
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  think
• 19:46
  the
• 19:47
  response
• 19:47
  is.
• 19:47
  Is
• 19:48
  good,
• 19:48
  even
• 19:48
  if
• 19:48
  the
• 19:48
  numbers
• 19:48
  aren't
• 19:49
  as
• 19:49
  high.
• 19:49
  Like,
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  engagement's
• 19:50
  definitely
• 19:51
  better
• 19:51
  and
• 19:52
  makes
• 19:52
  sense.
• 19:52
  Yeah,
• 19:53
  yeah.
• 19:53
  I'm
• 19:53
  gonna
• 19:53
  try
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  continue
• 19:54
  down
• 19:55
  that
• 19:55
  road
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  focus
• 19:55
  less
• 19:56
  on,
• 19:56
  you
• 19:56
  know,
• 19:57
  what.
• 19:57
  What
• 19:57
  could
• 19:58
  go
• 19:58
  viral
• 19:58
  or
• 19:58
  what
• 19:58
  could
• 19:59
  do
• 19:59
  this.
• 20:00
  Obviously
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  feel
• 20:01
  like
• 20:02
  you
• 20:02
  had
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  do
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  a
• 20:03
  little
• 20:03
  bit,
• 20:03
  but
• 20:03
  maybe
• 20:03
  that's
• 20:03
  where,
• 20:04
  you
• 20:04
  know,
• 20:04
  trial
• 20:05
  reels
• 20:05
  come
• 20:05
  in
• 20:05
  handy.
• 20:06
  True.
• 20:07
  Yeah.
• 20:07
  Yeah.
• 20:08
  People
• 20:08
  are
• 20:09
  seeing
• 20:09
  it
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  yeah,
• 20:10
  if
• 20:10
  they
• 20:10
  go
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  my
• 20:11
  profile
• 20:11
  and
• 20:11
  they
• 20:11
  like
• 20:11
  the
• 20:11
  rest
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  stuff,
• 20:12
  then.
• 20:12
  They'Ll
• 20:12
  stick
• 20:13
  around
• 20:14
  because
• 20:14
  the
• 20:15
  algorithm
• 20:15
  still
• 20:15
  matters.
• 20:16
  You
• 20:16
  still
• 20:16
  have
• 20:16
  to
• 20:17
  get
• 20:17
  it.
• 20:17
  Yeah,
• 20:18
  the,
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  eyes.
• 20:19
  Yeah,
• 20:19
  all
• 20:19
  that
• 20:20
  good
• 20:20
  stuff.
• 20:20
  But
• 20:20
  yeah,
• 20:21
  yeah,
• 20:21
  it's.
• 20:22
  That
• 20:22
  makes
• 20:23
  sense.
• 20:23
  And
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  slow
• 20:24
  growth
• 20:24
  is
• 20:25
  not
• 20:25
  as,
• 20:27
  not
• 20:28
  as
• 20:28
  attractive.
• 20:29
  For
• 20:29
  sure.
• 20:29
  Like,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:30
  want
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  hit
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  top
• 20:30
  tomorrow
• 20:31
  so
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  can
• 20:31
  spend
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  rest
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  your
• 20:32
  days
• 20:32
  at
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  top.
• 20:33
  But
• 20:33
  yes,
• 20:34
  reality
• 20:34
  for
• 20:34
  most
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  like,
• 20:35
  it's.
• 20:36
  It's
• 20:36
  a
• 20:36
  climb.
• 20:37
  We're
• 20:37
  going.
• 20:38
  You're
• 20:38
  telling
• 20:38
  a
• 20:38
  story
• 20:38
  just
• 20:39
  like
• 20:39
  your
• 20:39
  songs
• 20:39
  are
• 20:40
  telling
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  story
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  taking
• 20:41
  some
• 20:41
  people
• 20:42
  somewhere.
• 20:42
  It's
• 20:42
  like
• 20:43
  your
• 20:43
  career,
• 20:43
  you're.
• 20:44
  You're
• 20:44
  grinding
• 20:45
  a
• 20:45
  lot
• 20:45
  of
• 20:45
  work
• 20:46
  that
• 20:46
  obviously
• 20:46
  people
• 20:46
  don't
• 20:47
  see
• 20:47
  that
• 20:47
  you've
• 20:47
  done
• 20:48
  and
• 20:48
  are
• 20:48
  continuing
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  do.
• 20:50
  But
• 20:51
  then
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  have
• 20:51
  the.
• 20:51
  I
• 20:52
  guess
• 20:52
  there's
• 20:52
  some
• 20:52
  pressure
• 20:53
  too,
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  kind
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  satisfy
• 20:54
  these
• 20:54
  other
• 20:55
  numbers.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  you're
• 20:57
  doing
• 20:57
  this.
• 20:58
  Probably.
• 20:58
  I
• 20:58
  don't
• 20:59
  know
• 20:59
  if
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  have
• 20:59
  backing.
• 20:59
  No.
• 21:01
  Like,
• 21:01
  no
• 21:01
  label
• 21:02
  or
• 21:02
  anything
• 21:02
  backed.
• 21:03
  No,
• 21:03
  no,
• 21:04
  it's
• 21:04
  all
• 21:04
  self
• 21:04
  funded.
• 21:05
  So.
• 21:06
  Okay,
• 21:06
  so
• 21:06
  then
• 21:06
  like
• 21:07
  streaming
• 21:07
  is
• 21:07
  another
• 21:08
  thing
• 21:08
  that
• 21:08
  matters
• 21:09
  because
• 21:09
  you're
• 21:09
  doing
• 21:09
  well
• 21:09
  there.
• 21:10
  Really
• 21:10
  well.
• 21:11
  Thank
• 21:11
  you.
• 21:13
  How
• 21:13
  does
• 21:13
  that
• 21:14
  have.
• 21:14
  Like,
• 21:14
  how
• 21:14
  have
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  tackled
• 21:15
  that?
• 21:15
  Because
• 21:15
  to
• 21:16
  me
• 21:16
  it
• 21:16
  seems
• 21:16
  like
• 21:16
  it's
• 21:16
  a
• 21:17
  completely
• 21:17
  separate
• 21:18
  machine
• 21:19
  almost.
• 21:19
  Oh,
• 21:19
  100.
• 21:20
  Yeah.
• 21:20
  The
• 21:20
  content
• 21:21
  versus
• 21:21
  streaming
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  totally
• 21:22
  different.
• 21:22
  And
• 21:23
  I
• 21:24
  wish
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  could
• 21:24
  sit
• 21:24
  here
• 21:24
  and
• 21:25
  say
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  understood
• 21:26
  how
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  streaming
• 21:27
  side
• 21:27
  works.
• 21:28
  I
• 21:29
  don't
• 21:29
  know
• 21:29
  exactly
• 21:30
  how
• 21:30
  I've
• 21:30
  gotten
• 21:30
  like,
• 21:31
  specifically
• 21:31
  on
• 21:31
  Spotify,
• 21:32
  the.
• 21:32
  Okay.
• 21:33
  Success
• 21:33
  that
• 21:34
  I've
• 21:34
  had
• 21:34
  so
• 21:34
  far.
• 21:35
  Yeah,
• 21:36
  I'm
• 21:36
  pretty
• 21:36
  pleased
• 21:37
  with
• 21:37
  it.
• 21:38
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  don't
• 21:39
  know
• 21:39
  how
• 21:39
  it's
• 21:39
  happened.
• 21:40
  If
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  Spotify
• 21:42
  algorithm
• 21:42
  just
• 21:42
  likes
• 21:42
  me
• 21:43
  or,
• 21:43
  you
• 21:43
  know,
• 21:43
  maybe
• 21:44
  I'm
• 21:44
  promoting.
• 21:45
  I
• 21:46
  could
• 21:46
  see
• 21:46
  that.
• 21:47
  Talented.
• 21:50
  You
• 21:50
  know,
• 21:51
  I
• 21:51
  don't
• 21:51
  know
• 21:51
  if
• 21:51
  I
• 21:51
  just
• 21:51
  get
• 21:52
  lucky
• 21:52
  on
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  algorithm
• 21:53
  or.
• 21:53
  Yeah,
• 21:54
  I
• 21:54
  could
• 21:55
  be
• 21:55
  doing
• 21:55
  something
• 21:55
  right
• 21:55
  when
• 21:56
  I'm
• 21:56
  Promoting
• 21:57
  my
• 21:57
  releases
• 21:57
  and,
• 21:58
  like,
• 21:58
  that
• 21:58
  traffic
• 21:59
  triggers
• 21:59
  something.
• 22:00
  I
• 22:00
  really
• 22:00
  don't
• 22:00
  know
• 22:01
  how
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  algorithms
• 22:01
  work,
• 22:02
  but
• 22:02
  it's
• 22:03
  definitely
• 22:03
  totally
• 22:03
  separate.
• 22:04
  Yeah.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:05
  Like,
• 22:05
  I've
• 22:06
  had,
• 22:06
  for
• 22:07
  example,
• 22:07
  if
• 22:07
  I'm
• 22:08
  promoting
• 22:08
  clips
• 22:09
  or,
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  music
• 22:09
  video
• 22:10
  clip
• 22:10
  for
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  song
• 22:10
  on
• 22:11
  social
• 22:11
  media,
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  that
• 22:11
  does
• 22:12
  really
• 22:12
  well.
• 22:12
  Yeah,
• 22:13
  Maybe
• 22:13
  that's
• 22:14
  my
• 22:14
  lowest
• 22:14
  stream
• 22:14
  song.
• 22:15
  You
• 22:15
  know,
• 22:15
  I
• 22:15
  mean,
• 22:15
  like,
• 22:16
  there's
• 22:16
  not
• 22:16
  a
• 22:17
  crazy
• 22:17
  amount
• 22:17
  of
• 22:18
  correlation.
• 22:20
  Interesting.
• 22:20
  Which
• 22:21
  is
• 22:21
  interesting.
• 22:22
  You
• 22:22
  wouldn't
• 22:22
  think
• 22:22
  that,
• 22:22
  but
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  think
• 22:23
  at
• 22:23
  a
• 22:24
  smaller
• 22:24
  level,
• 22:24
  where,
• 22:24
  you
• 22:25
  know,
• 22:25
  on
• 22:25
  social
• 22:25
  media,
• 22:25
  I
• 22:26
  do
• 22:26
  have
• 22:26
  some
• 22:26
  videos
• 22:27
  where
• 22:27
  there's
• 22:27
  quite
• 22:28
  a
• 22:28
  few
• 22:28
  eyes
• 22:28
  on
• 22:28
  it,
• 22:28
  and
• 22:29
  most
• 22:29
  of
• 22:30
  them
• 22:30
  are
• 22:30
  kind
• 22:30
  of
• 22:31
  like,
• 22:32
  not
• 22:32
  small.
• 22:32
  Small.
• 22:33
  But,
• 22:33
  you
• 22:33
  know,
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  mean,
• 22:34
  I
• 22:34
  think
• 22:35
  if
• 22:35
  something
• 22:36
  did,
• 22:36
  like,
• 22:36
  blow
• 22:37
  up
• 22:37
  and
• 22:37
  say
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  have,
• 22:38
  like,
• 22:38
  10
• 22:38
  million
• 22:38
  views
• 22:38
  on
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  video,
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  would
• 22:40
  probably
• 22:40
  change.
• 22:41
  Yeah,
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  guess
• 22:42
  so.
• 22:42
  Under
• 22:42
  certain
• 22:42
  numbers.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  it's
• 22:43
  just
• 22:43
  like,
• 22:44
  again,
• 22:44
  it's
• 22:44
  just
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  numbers
• 22:45
  game.
• 22:45
  So
• 22:45
  it's
• 22:46
  percentages
• 22:46
  at
• 22:46
  that
• 22:47
  point,
• 22:47
  but
• 22:47
  exactly.
• 22:48
  Yeah,
• 22:48
  that's.
• 22:49
  Yeah,
• 22:50
  that's
• 22:50
  interesting.
• 22:50
  That
• 22:51
  doesn't.
• 22:51
  I
• 22:51
  mean,
• 22:51
  I
• 22:52
  get
• 22:52
  it.
• 22:52
  Right.
• 22:52
  Cause
• 22:52
  it's
• 22:53
  like,
• 22:53
  you
• 22:53
  know,
• 22:53
  it's
• 22:53
  working.
• 22:54
  You're
• 22:54
  not
• 22:54
  necessarily
• 22:55
  sitting
• 22:55
  here
• 22:55
  every
• 22:55
  day
• 22:56
  trying
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  figure
• 22:56
  out
• 22:56
  why.
• 22:56
  You're
• 22:57
  just
• 22:57
  doing
• 22:57
  what
• 22:57
  you
• 22:58
  do.
• 22:58
  Yeah.
• 22:58
  I
• 22:59
  don't
• 22:59
  know.
• 22:59
  Can
• 22:59
  you
• 22:59
  give
• 22:59
  us
• 22:59
  a
• 23:00
  little
• 23:00
  bit
• 23:00
  about
• 23:01
  how
• 23:01
  you
• 23:01
  have
• 23:02
  approached
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  streaming
• 23:03
  part?
• 23:04
  Like,
• 23:04
  how
• 23:04
  you
• 23:04
  got
• 23:04
  into
• 23:04
  it
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  what
• 23:05
  you've
• 23:05
  been
• 23:05
  doing?
• 23:06
  Absolutely.
• 23:08
  I
• 23:09
  mean,
• 23:10
  Spotify
• 23:10
  is,
• 23:11
  like,
• 23:11
  in
• 23:11
  my
• 23:11
  opinion,
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  biggest
• 23:12
  service
• 23:13
  at
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  moment.
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  put
• 23:14
  a
• 23:15
  lot
• 23:15
  of
• 23:15
  my
• 23:15
  focus
• 23:15
  on,
• 23:16
  like,
• 23:16
  making
• 23:17
  sure
• 23:17
  my
• 23:17
  pitches
• 23:18
  are
• 23:18
  good
• 23:18
  to
• 23:19
  editors
• 23:19
  when
• 23:19
  I'm
• 23:19
  releasing,
• 23:21
  trying
• 23:22
  to
• 23:22
  make
• 23:22
  them
• 23:22
  unique.
• 23:24
  I've
• 23:25
  had
• 23:25
  some
• 23:25
  success
• 23:25
  in
• 23:26
  that.
• 23:26
  Like,
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  learned
• 23:26
  this
• 23:27
  year
• 23:27
  I
• 23:27
  had
• 23:28
  my
• 23:28
  first
• 23:28
  song
• 23:28
  on
• 23:28
  an
• 23:28
  editorial
• 23:29
  playlist,
• 23:29
  which
• 23:29
  was
• 23:29
  awesome.
• 23:30
  All
• 23:30
  I'll
• 23:31
  ever
• 23:31
  have.
• 23:32
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  Thank
• 23:32
  you.
• 23:32
  Thank
• 23:33
  you.
• 23:33
  And
• 23:33
  it
• 23:33
  was
• 23:34
  actually
• 23:34
  really
• 23:34
  cool.
• 23:35
  Kind
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  a
• 23:36
  side
• 23:36
  note,
• 23:36
  but
• 23:36
  the
• 23:37
  playlist
• 23:37
  was
• 23:38
  showcasing
• 23:39
  Asian
• 23:40
  artists
• 23:40
  and
• 23:40
  being
• 23:40
  mixed
• 23:41
  myself.
• 23:41
  Like,
• 23:42
  it
• 23:42
  felt
• 23:42
  really
• 23:42
  nice
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  be
• 23:43
  included
• 23:43
  in
• 23:43
  something
• 23:44
  that's
• 23:44
  really
• 23:44
  cool.
• 23:45
  Yeah.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:45
  I
• 23:46
  struggle
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  find,
• 23:46
  like,
• 23:47
  my
• 23:47
  identity
• 23:48
  in
• 23:48
  society
• 23:49
  sometimes,
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  know?
• 23:49
  Yeah,
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  was
• 23:51
  really
• 23:51
  neat.
• 23:52
  But,
• 23:53
  yeah,
• 23:53
  the.
• 23:54
  The
• 23:54
  playlist
• 23:55
  pitching
• 23:56
  is
• 23:56
  really
• 23:56
  important,
• 23:56
  I
• 23:56
  think.
• 23:58
  And
• 23:58
  then
• 23:58
  I
• 23:59
  utilize.
• 23:59
  Spotify
• 24:00
  has,
• 24:01
  like,
• 24:01
  marquee
• 24:01
  and
• 24:02
  showcase
• 24:02
  campaigns,
• 24:02
  they
• 24:03
  call
• 24:03
  it.
• 24:03
  So.
• 24:03
  Yep.
• 24:04
  Thumbs.
• 24:04
  If
• 24:04
  you're
• 24:04
  scrolling
• 24:05
  on
• 24:05
  Spotify,
• 24:05
  your
• 24:05
  whole
• 24:06
  screen
• 24:06
  will
• 24:06
  pop
• 24:06
  up
• 24:06
  and
• 24:07
  I'll
• 24:07
  say,
• 24:07
  hey,
• 24:07
  like,
• 24:08
  new
• 24:08
  release
• 24:08
  from
• 24:08
  T
• 24:08
  app.
• 24:09
  Or
• 24:09
  sometimes
• 24:10
  it'll
• 24:10
  just
• 24:10
  be,
• 24:10
  like,
• 24:11
  in
• 24:11
  the
• 24:11
  corner.
• 24:12
  So
• 24:12
  I
• 24:13
  try
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  put
• 24:13
  as
• 24:13
  much
• 24:13
  as
• 24:13
  I
• 24:13
  can
• 24:14
  into
• 24:14
  that
• 24:14
  because,
• 24:14
  you
• 24:14
  know,
• 24:15
  if
• 24:15
  someone's
• 24:15
  gonna
• 24:16
  click
• 24:16
  on
• 24:16
  it
• 24:16
  and
• 24:17
  listen
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  it,
• 24:18
  like
• 24:19
  they
• 24:20
  add
• 24:20
  it
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  their
• 24:20
  playlists.
• 24:21
  That's
• 24:22
  probably
• 24:22
  one
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  best
• 24:22
  ways
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  get
• 24:23
  like
• 24:23
  a,
• 24:24
  a
• 24:24
  long
• 24:24
  term
• 24:24
  listener
• 24:25
  in
• 24:25
  my
• 24:25
  opinion.
• 24:26
  Because
• 24:27
  adding
• 24:27
  it
• 24:27
  to
• 24:27
  their
• 24:28
  personal
• 24:28
  playlist
• 24:28
  of.
• 24:29
  Yeah.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  then
• 24:30
  like
• 24:30
  when
• 24:30
  they're
• 24:30
  shuffling
• 24:31
  through
• 24:31
  like
• 24:31
  they're
• 24:31
  gonna
• 24:32
  hear
• 24:32
  it
• 24:32
  again
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  they're
• 24:33
  on
• 24:33
  Spotify
• 24:33
  and
• 24:34
  if
• 24:34
  they're
• 24:34
  clicking
• 24:34
  on
• 24:35
  an
• 24:35
  ad,
• 24:35
  like
• 24:35
  an
• 24:36
  ad
• 24:36
  for
• 24:36
  Spotify,
• 24:37
  they
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
  some
• 24:38
  intent
• 24:38
  to
• 24:38
  actually,
• 24:38
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:39
  listen
• 24:39
  and
• 24:39
  they
• 24:40
  definitely
• 24:40
  like
• 24:40
  music.
• 24:41
  So
• 24:42
  yeah,
• 24:42
  that's
• 24:43
  where
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  put
• 24:43
  most
• 24:44
  of
• 24:44
  my
• 24:44
  priority
• 24:44
  when
• 24:45
  I'm
• 24:45
  releasing
• 24:45
  is
• 24:45
  those,
• 24:46
  those,
• 24:46
  those
• 24:47
  campaigns.
• 24:47
  I
• 24:48
  do
• 24:48
  run
• 24:48
  stuff
• 24:49
  on
• 24:49
  Instagram
• 24:49
  and
• 24:50
  Facebook
• 24:50
  in
• 24:50
  that
• 24:51
  pretty
• 24:51
  much
• 24:51
  all
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  time.
• 24:52
  Okay.
• 24:53
  But
• 24:54
  yeah,
• 24:54
  yeah,
• 24:54
  that's,
• 24:55
  that's.
• 24:55
  Yeah,
• 24:56
  maybe
• 24:56
  that
• 24:56
  has
• 24:56
  something
• 24:56
  to
• 24:57
  do
• 24:57
  with
• 24:57
  it
• 24:57
  as
• 24:57
  well.
• 24:57
  I,
• 24:58
  I'm
• 24:58
  not
• 24:58
  sure
• 24:58
  if
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  algorithm
• 24:59
  takes
• 25:00
  like
• 25:00
  consideration
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  like
• 25:01
  how
• 25:01
  well
• 25:01
  your
• 25:01
  campaigns
• 25:02
  do,
• 25:02
  if
• 25:03
  it's
• 25:03
  like
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  save
• 25:04
  rate
• 25:04
  is
• 25:04
  above
• 25:04
  average
• 25:05
  or
• 25:05
  anything
• 25:05
  like
• 25:05
  that.
• 25:05
  But
• 25:06
  yeah,
• 25:06
  that's
• 25:07
  a
• 25:07
  possibility
• 25:07
  as
• 25:08
  well.
• 25:09
  Yeah,
• 25:09
  yeah,
• 25:10
  that's
• 25:10
  where
• 25:10
  my
• 25:10
  focus
• 25:10
  is
• 25:11
  there.
• 25:11
  That's
• 25:12
  neat.
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  think
• 25:12
  that's
• 25:13
  useful.
• 25:13
  So
• 25:13
  what,
• 25:14
  what
• 25:14
  would
• 25:14
  you
• 25:14
  say
• 25:14
  for
• 25:14
  someone,
• 25:15
  artists
• 25:15
  who's
• 25:16
  like,
• 25:16
  you
• 25:16
  know,
• 25:16
  a
• 25:17
  just
• 25:17
  started
• 25:17
  recording
• 25:17
  or
• 25:18
  I've
• 25:18
  recorded,
• 25:18
  you
• 25:18
  know,
• 25:19
  an
• 25:19
  EP
• 25:19
  or
• 25:19
  something
• 25:20
  and
• 25:21
  this
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  a
• 25:21
  whole
• 25:22
  new
• 25:22
  world
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  me.
• 25:22
  I've
• 25:22
  been
• 25:23
  doing
• 25:23
  pretty
• 25:23
  well
• 25:23
  on
• 25:24
  socials,
• 25:25
  but
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  need
• 25:25
  to
• 25:25
  get
• 25:26
  my
• 25:26
  music
• 25:26
  on
• 25:26
  streaming.
• 25:27
  What
• 25:27
  would
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  say
• 25:27
  are
• 25:27
  like
• 25:27
  the
• 25:28
  first
• 25:28
  couple
• 25:28
  steps
• 25:29
  or
• 25:29
  at
• 25:29
  least
• 25:29
  something
• 25:29
  to
• 25:30
  consider
• 25:31
  before
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  get
• 25:31
  in,
• 25:32
  get
• 25:32
  down,
• 25:33
  like
• 25:33
  go
• 25:33
  down
• 25:33
  that
• 25:33
  road.
• 25:34
  Oh
• 25:34
  man,
• 25:37
  that's
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  good
• 25:38
  question.
• 25:42
  Really,
• 25:42
  just
• 25:43
  I
• 25:44
  would
• 25:44
  just
• 25:44
  say
• 25:44
  utilize
• 25:44
  every
• 25:45
  tool
• 25:45
  that
• 25:46
  you
• 25:46
  have
• 25:46
  on
• 25:46
  each
• 25:46
  platform.
• 25:47
  So
• 25:48
  that's
• 25:48
  like
• 25:48
  Spotify,
• 25:49
  there's
• 25:49
  canvases.
• 25:50
  You
• 25:50
  can
• 25:50
  make
• 25:53
  things
• 25:53
  like
• 25:53
  that
• 25:54
  I
• 25:54
  think
• 25:54
  make
• 25:54
  a
• 25:54
  big
• 25:54
  difference.
• 25:55
  Like
• 25:55
  canvases
• 25:56
  are
• 25:56
  like
• 25:56
  the
• 25:57
  artwork.
• 25:57
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  So
• 25:58
  on
• 25:59
  Spotify
• 25:59
  you
• 26:00
  have
• 26:00
  like
• 26:00
  your
• 26:00
  cover
• 26:01
  art
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  if
• 26:02
  you
• 26:02
  have
• 26:02
  no
• 26:02
  canvas,
• 26:03
  if
• 26:03
  someone
• 26:03
  presses
• 26:04
  on
• 26:04
  your
• 26:04
  song,
• 26:04
  it
• 26:05
  just
• 26:05
  shows
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  artwork.
• 26:07
  But
• 26:07
  if
• 26:07
  you
• 26:08
  record
• 26:08
  a
• 26:08
  canvas,
• 26:08
  it's
• 26:09
  like
• 26:09
  a
• 26:09
  eight
• 26:09
  second
• 26:09
  video
• 26:10
  that
• 26:11
  plays.
• 26:11
  Listening
• 26:12
  to
• 26:12
  it.
• 26:13
  And
• 26:13
  as
• 26:14
  a
• 26:14
  listener,
• 26:15
  I've
• 26:15
  noticed
• 26:16
  that's
• 26:16
  something
• 26:16
  that
• 26:17
  attracts
• 26:17
  me.
• 26:17
  Like
• 26:18
  if
• 26:18
  I'm
• 26:19
  watching
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  cool
• 26:20
  video
• 26:20
  or
• 26:20
  something
• 26:20
  while
• 26:20
  the,
• 26:21
  while
• 26:21
  the,
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  song's
• 26:23
  playing,
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  feel
• 26:24
  more
• 26:24
  attached
• 26:24
  to
• 26:24
  that
• 26:25
  song
• 26:25
  or
• 26:25
  maybe
• 26:26
  even
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  artist.
• 26:26
  If
• 26:27
  I
• 26:27
  have
• 26:28
  a
• 26:28
  few
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  their
• 26:28
  songs
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  I'm
• 26:29
  seeing
• 26:29
  their
• 26:29
  face
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  few
• 26:29
  different
• 26:30
  times,
• 26:30
  I
• 26:30
  feel
• 26:30
  like
• 26:31
  that's
• 26:31
  pretty
• 26:31
  important.
• 26:32
  That's
• 26:33
  big.
• 26:33
  Yeah.
• 26:33
  If
• 26:34
  I'm
• 26:34
  a
• 26:34
  listener
• 26:34
  coming
• 26:35
  from
• 26:35
  just
• 26:35
  a
• 26:35
  streaming
• 26:36
  service
• 26:36
  rather
• 26:36
  than,
• 26:36
  you
• 26:37
  know,
• 26:37
  following
• 26:37
  someone
• 26:37
  on
• 26:38
  Instagram
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  then
• 26:38
  checking
• 26:39
  out
• 26:39
  their
• 26:39
  music.
• 26:39
  Yeah,
• 26:40
  that's
• 26:41
  something
• 26:41
  I've
• 26:41
  definitely
• 26:41
  noticed
• 26:42
  that,
• 26:42
  you
• 26:42
  know,
• 26:42
  like,
• 26:42
  maybe
• 26:43
  I'll
• 26:43
  go
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  check
• 26:43
  them
• 26:43
  out
• 26:44
  elsewhere
• 26:45
  as
• 26:45
  well.
• 26:46
  Makes
• 26:46
  sense.
• 26:47
  Yeah.
• 26:48
  That's
• 26:48
  big.
• 26:48
  Yeah.
• 26:49
  That
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  just
• 26:50
  like
• 26:50
  releasing
• 26:50
  often,
• 26:51
  that's
• 26:51
  something,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:52
  know,
• 26:52
  I
• 26:52
  have
• 26:52
  to
• 26:53
  improve
• 26:54
  as
• 26:54
  well.
• 26:55
  Just
• 26:56
  time
• 26:56
  and,
• 26:56
  you
• 26:56
  know,
• 26:57
  budget
• 26:57
  wise,
• 26:57
  I
• 26:58
  gotta
• 26:58
  figure
• 26:58
  things
• 26:58
  out
• 26:58
  there.
• 26:59
  All
• 26:59
  these
• 26:59
  things
• 27:00
  in.
• 27:00
  Yeah.
• 27:01
  Often,
• 27:01
  though,
• 27:01
  is
• 27:01
  that
• 27:02
  like
• 27:03
  once
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  year
• 27:03
  you're
• 27:03
  putting
• 27:04
  something
• 27:04
  out.
• 27:04
  Like,
• 27:05
  I've
• 27:06
  been
• 27:07
  releasing
• 27:07
  singles
• 27:07
  and
• 27:08
  in
• 27:08
  get,
• 27:09
  at
• 27:09
  least
• 27:09
  from
• 27:10
  my
• 27:10
  experience,
• 27:10
  in
• 27:10
  my
• 27:10
  opinion,
• 27:11
  there's
• 27:11
  obviously
• 27:12
  exceptions
• 27:12
  to
• 27:12
  everything,
• 27:13
  but
• 27:13
  in
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  new,
• 27:14
  like,
• 27:15
  social
• 27:15
  media
• 27:16
  world,
• 27:16
  I
• 27:17
  feel
• 27:17
  like
• 27:17
  until
• 27:18
  you
• 27:18
  build,
• 27:18
  like
• 27:18
  a
• 27:19
  fairly
• 27:19
  big
• 27:20
  audience,
• 27:21
  singles
• 27:21
  are
• 27:21
  kind
• 27:21
  of
• 27:22
  the
• 27:22
  way
• 27:22
  to
• 27:22
  go.
• 27:24
  Like,
• 27:25
  I'm
• 27:25
  not
• 27:25
  sure
• 27:26
  that
• 27:26
  if
• 27:26
  I
• 27:26
  put
• 27:26
  out
• 27:26
  an
• 27:26
  album,
• 27:27
  if
• 27:27
  my
• 27:27
  listeners
• 27:28
  would
• 27:28
  listen
• 27:28
  to,
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  know,
• 27:29
  all
• 27:29
  10
• 27:30
  songs
• 27:30
  or
• 27:30
  whatever
• 27:30
  it
• 27:31
  may
• 27:31
  be,
• 27:31
  maybe
• 27:31
  they
• 27:31
  will,
• 27:31
  maybe
• 27:32
  they
• 27:32
  won't.
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  know
• 27:32
  it's
• 27:32
  tough
• 27:33
  because
• 27:33
  it's
• 27:33
  like
• 27:33
  the
• 27:34
  listening
• 27:34
  habits
• 27:35
  have
• 27:35
  changed
• 27:35
  a
• 27:36
  lot
• 27:36
  since.
• 27:36
  Yes.
• 27:37
  So
• 27:38
  I
• 27:38
  get
• 27:38
  that.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:38
  you're
• 27:39
  going
• 27:39
  to
• 27:39
  spend
• 27:39
  a
• 27:39
  lot
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  money
• 27:40
  to
• 27:40
  put
• 27:40
  together
• 27:41
  those
• 27:41
  10
• 27:41
  songs
• 27:41
  in
• 27:42
  one
• 27:42
  chunk.
• 27:42
  Put
• 27:42
  it
• 27:43
  all
• 27:43
  out.
• 27:43
  Yeah.
• 27:44
  People's
• 27:44
  attention
• 27:44
  span
• 27:45
  is
• 27:45
  short,
• 27:45
  so
• 27:45
  they
• 27:45
  love
• 27:46
  three
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  them.
• 27:46
  They
• 27:46
  don't
• 27:47
  give
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  other
• 27:47
  chance.
• 27:48
  Yeah,
• 27:49
  yeah.
• 27:49
  So,
• 27:50
  yeah.
• 27:51
  So
• 27:51
  I
• 27:51
  think
• 27:51
  until
• 27:51
  you
• 27:51
  have,
• 27:52
  like,
• 27:52
  proper
• 27:53
  fan
• 27:53
  base
• 27:53
  who's
• 27:54
  really,
• 27:54
  really
• 27:54
  supporting
• 27:54
  you,
• 27:54
  people
• 27:55
  are
• 27:55
  staying
• 27:55
  up
• 27:55
  till
• 27:55
  midnight
• 27:56
  to
• 27:56
  stream
• 27:57
  those
• 27:57
  albums
• 27:57
  or
• 27:58
  those
• 27:58
  things.
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  I
• 27:59
  think
• 27:59
  that's
• 28:00
  when,
• 28:00
  you
• 28:00
  know,
• 28:01
  I
• 28:02
  get
• 28:02
  trip.
• 28:03
  Yeah.
• 28:03
  Yeah.
• 28:04
  I'll
• 28:04
  probably,
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  know,
• 28:06
  release
• 28:07
  albums
• 28:08
  or
• 28:09
  EPs
• 28:09
  at
• 28:09
  a
• 28:09
  later
• 28:10
  stage
• 28:10
  when.
• 28:11
  Makes
• 28:11
  sense.
• 28:12
  Yeah,
• 28:12
  yeah,
• 28:12
  yeah.
• 28:12
  Okay.
• 28:12
  Well,
• 28:13
  yeah,
• 28:13
  I
• 28:13
  think
• 28:13
  things
• 28:13
  to
• 28:14
  look
• 28:14
  forward
• 28:14
  to.
• 28:14
  Right.
• 28:14
  Are
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  way
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  go
• 28:15
  for
• 28:16
  now.
• 28:16
  It's
• 28:17
  working.
• 28:17
  It's
• 28:17
  working.
• 28:18
  Thank
• 28:19
  you.
• 28:19
  Yeah.
• 28:20
  So.
• 28:20
  So
• 28:21
  we've
• 28:21
  talked
• 28:21
  about
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  social
• 28:24
  streaming,
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  other
• 28:25
  part
• 28:25
  of
• 28:26
  this,
• 28:26
  and
• 28:26
  I
• 28:26
  think
• 28:26
  that's
• 28:27
  how
• 28:27
  kind
• 28:27
  of,
• 28:27
  you
• 28:28
  know,
• 28:28
  our
• 28:28
  connection
• 28:28
  happened
• 28:29
  through
• 28:29
  Joel.
• 28:31
  Yes.
• 28:31
  Is
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  live
• 28:32
  performances.
• 28:33
  So
• 28:33
  how
• 28:33
  do
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  factor
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  in?
• 28:35
  How
• 28:35
  busy
• 28:36
  are
• 28:36
  you
• 28:36
  or
• 28:36
  how
• 28:36
  busy
• 28:37
  do
• 28:37
  you,
• 28:37
  like.
• 28:37
  What.
• 28:37
  What's.
• 28:38
  What,
• 28:38
  what's
• 28:38
  your
• 28:38
  live
• 28:38
  strategy?
• 28:40
  Yeah,
• 28:41
  um,
• 28:42
  so
• 28:42
  I'm
• 28:42
  quite
• 28:43
  new
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  that.
• 28:43
  Uh,
• 28:44
  okay.
• 28:44
  Last
• 28:45
  year
• 28:45
  I
• 28:45
  got
• 28:45
  my
• 28:45
  busking
• 28:46
  license
• 28:47
  from
• 28:47
  Mississauga,
• 28:48
  um,
• 28:48
  where
• 28:49
  I'd
• 28:49
  sit
• 28:49
  on
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  streets
• 28:50
  here
• 28:50
  and
• 28:50
  there.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:50
  then
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  did
• 28:50
  the
• 28:50
  same
• 28:51
  this
• 28:51
  year.
• 28:51
  Uh,
• 28:52
  and
• 28:52
  that
• 28:52
  was
• 28:52
  the.
• 28:53
  Pretty
• 28:53
  much
• 28:53
  the
• 28:54
  extent
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  my
• 28:55
  live
• 28:56
  experience
• 28:56
  up
• 28:56
  until
• 28:57
  recently.
• 28:58
  Um,
• 28:58
  I
• 28:58
  just
• 28:59
  started
• 28:59
  getting
• 28:59
  into
• 29:00
  the
• 29:01
  live
• 29:02
  world
• 29:02
  and
• 29:02
  I
• 29:03
  just
• 29:03
  got
• 29:03
  like,
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  just
• 29:04
  got
• 29:04
  a
• 29:04
  setup
• 29:04
  now
• 29:04
  so
• 29:05
  I
• 29:05
  have
• 29:05
  something
• 29:05
  red,
• 29:05
  my
• 29:06
  piano
• 29:06
  in
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  background
• 29:07
  and.
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:07
  Got
• 29:07
  the.
• 29:08
  Okay.
• 29:09
  Yeah,
• 29:09
  I
• 29:09
  got
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  nord.
• 29:10
  It's
• 29:11
  overkill,
• 29:12
  maybe,
• 29:12
  but,
• 29:12
  you
• 29:12
  know,
• 29:13
  it's
• 29:13
  a
• 29:13
  good
• 29:13
  investment.
• 29:14
  You're
• 29:15
  good.
• 29:15
  Yeah,
• 29:16
  yeah.
• 29:16
  But
• 29:17
  you'll
• 29:17
  need.
• 29:18
  Exactly.
• 29:19
  Yeah.
• 29:19
  Like
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  was
• 29:21
  debating
• 29:21
  on
• 29:21
  it
• 29:21
  for
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  while
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  then
• 29:22
  I
• 29:22
  went
• 29:22
  to
• 29:22
  a
• 29:22
  few
• 29:23
  concerts
• 29:23
  and
• 29:23
  like
• 29:23
  big
• 29:23
  arenas
• 29:24
  and
• 29:24
  it
• 29:24
  was
• 29:25
  there,
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  think
• 29:25
  so,
• 29:25
  you
• 29:26
  know.
• 29:26
  Yeah,
• 29:26
  that's
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  thing.
• 29:27
  It's.
• 29:27
  It's
• 29:27
  good
• 29:27
  enough
• 29:28
  for
• 29:28
  your
• 29:28
  studio.
• 29:29
  Yes.
• 29:30
  It's
• 29:30
  gonna
• 29:30
  work
• 29:30
  in
• 29:31
  every.
• 29:31
  Every
• 29:31
  environment.
• 29:32
  So.
• 29:33
  Right.
• 29:33
  You're
• 29:33
  investing
• 29:34
  in
• 29:35
  your.
• 29:35
  In
• 29:35
  yourself
• 29:35
  and
• 29:36
  your
• 29:36
  craft.
• 29:36
  Otherwise
• 29:37
  I'm
• 29:37
  gonna
• 29:38
  buy
• 29:38
  one
• 29:38
  now
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  then
• 29:38
  buy
• 29:39
  one
• 29:39
  again
• 29:39
  in
• 29:39
  like
• 29:40
  a
• 29:40
  year
• 29:40
  or
• 29:40
  two.
• 29:40
  So.
• 29:41
  So.
• 29:42
  Yep.
• 29:42
  Makes
• 29:42
  sense.
• 29:43
  I
• 29:43
  actually
• 29:43
  have
• 29:43
  my
• 29:44
  first
• 29:44
  show
• 29:44
  in
• 29:45
  like
• 29:45
  a
• 29:45
  week
• 29:45
  from
• 29:45
  now,
• 29:46
  so
• 29:46
  I'm
• 29:46
  excited
• 29:47
  for
• 29:47
  that.
• 29:48
  It's
• 29:48
  at
• 29:48
  Rivoli
• 29:49
  in
• 29:49
  Toronto.
• 29:49
  It's
• 29:50
  for
• 29:50
  breaking
• 29:50
  stuff,
• 29:52
  so
• 29:52
  that
• 29:52
  should
• 29:52
  be
• 29:52
  fun.
• 29:53
  That's
• 29:53
  cool.
• 29:53
  Next
• 29:54
  Wednesday?
• 29:55
  Yeah,
• 29:56
  yeah.
• 29:56
  So
• 29:56
  I'm
• 29:57
  just
• 29:57
  starting
• 29:57
  to
• 29:57
  navigate
• 29:57
  it.
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  played
• 29:58
  one
• 29:58
  event
• 29:59
  about
• 30:00
  a
• 30:00
  month
• 30:00
  ago
• 30:00
  which
• 30:01
  was
• 30:01
  a
• 30:01
  little
• 30:01
  bit
• 30:01
  different.
• 30:01
  It
• 30:01
  wasn't
• 30:02
  like
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  show
• 30:02
  for
• 30:03
  me
• 30:03
  and
• 30:03
  my
• 30:03
  music.
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  did
• 30:04
  play.
• 30:04
  Got
• 30:04
  you
• 30:05
  some.
• 30:05
  My
• 30:05
  music,
• 30:05
  but
• 30:06
  it
• 30:06
  was
• 30:06
  more
• 30:06
  so
• 30:06
  just
• 30:06
  provid.
• 30:07
  Background
• 30:07
  music.
• 30:08
  That
• 30:08
  was
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  nice
• 30:09
  way
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  kind
• 30:10
  of
• 30:10
  ease
• 30:10
  in
• 30:10
  and
• 30:11
  then
• 30:11
  have
• 30:11
  that
• 30:12
  show.
• 30:13
  I
• 30:13
  just
• 30:14
  got
• 30:14
  approached
• 30:14
  to
• 30:15
  open
• 30:15
  for
• 30:16
  an
• 30:16
  artist
• 30:16
  in
• 30:16
  London,
• 30:17
  so
• 30:17
  I'm
• 30:17
  going
• 30:17
  to
• 30:17
  do
• 30:17
  that
• 30:18
  December.
• 30:19
  So
• 30:20
  slowly
• 30:21
  navigating
• 30:21
  all
• 30:21
  your
• 30:22
  music,
• 30:22
  right?
• 30:23
  Yeah,
• 30:23
  yeah,
• 30:23
  that'll
• 30:24
  be
• 30:24
  all
• 30:24
  my
• 30:24
  music
• 30:24
  stuff.
• 30:25
  So
• 30:25
  which
• 30:25
  is.
• 30:26
  Which
• 30:26
  is
• 30:26
  nice.
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  I'm
• 30:27
  excited
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  get
• 30:27
  that
• 30:28
  experience
• 30:28
  in
• 30:28
  because
• 30:29
  quite
• 30:29
  often
• 30:30
  I
• 30:30
  email
• 30:30
  like,
• 30:30
  you
• 30:31
  know,
• 30:31
  artists
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  I
• 30:32
  listen
• 30:32
  to.
• 30:32
  I'll
• 30:32
  email
• 30:32
  their
• 30:33
  managers
• 30:33
  or
• 30:33
  talk
• 30:34
  to
• 30:34
  them
• 30:34
  in
• 30:34
  person
• 30:34
  and
• 30:35
  see
• 30:35
  if
• 30:35
  I
• 30:35
  can
• 30:36
  open
• 30:36
  for
• 30:36
  them.
• 30:36
  And
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  know,
• 30:37
  sometimes
• 30:37
  it
• 30:37
  leads
• 30:38
  nowhere,
• 30:38
  but
• 30:38
  yeah,
• 30:39
  you
• 30:39
  never
• 30:40
  know
• 30:40
  if
• 30:40
  it.
• 30:40
  Does,
• 30:41
  doors
• 30:41
  are
• 30:41
  opening.
• 30:42
  That's
• 30:42
  actually
• 30:43
  really.
• 30:43
  It's
• 30:44
  really
• 30:44
  interesting
• 30:44
  because
• 30:46
  you're
• 30:46
  starting
• 30:46
  to
• 30:46
  do
• 30:47
  more
• 30:47
  shows
• 30:47
  now
• 30:48
  and
• 30:48
  you've
• 30:48
  already
• 30:49
  established
• 30:49
  like
• 30:50
  a.
• 30:50
  A
• 30:50
  fan
• 30:51
  base
• 30:51
  and
• 30:51
  like
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  true
• 30:52
  support
• 30:52
  base
• 30:53
  through
• 30:53
  streaming
• 30:54
  social.
• 30:55
  Yeah.
• 30:56
  So
• 30:56
  now
• 30:56
  that's
• 30:57
  going
• 30:57
  to
• 30:57
  take
• 30:57
  people
• 30:57
  on
• 30:58
  a
• 30:58
  whole
• 30:58
  new
• 30:58
  journey.
• 30:59
  Like
• 30:59
  they
• 30:59
  get
• 30:59
  to
• 30:59
  see
• 30:59
  you
• 31:00
  in
• 31:00
  another
• 31:00
  context
• 31:00
  and
• 31:01
  live
• 31:01
  like
• 31:01
  in
• 31:01
  person.
• 31:02
  That's.
• 31:02
  That's
• 31:03
  huge
• 31:03
  because
• 31:03
  they've
• 31:04
  been
• 31:04
  watching
• 31:04
  you
• 31:04
  on
• 31:04
  their
• 31:04
  phones
• 31:06
  for
• 31:06
  a
• 31:06
  long
• 31:07
  time.
• 31:07
  So
• 31:07
  that's
• 31:07
  really
• 31:08
  neat.
• 31:08
  I
• 31:09
  feel
• 31:09
  like
• 31:09
  that's
• 31:09
  going
• 31:09
  to
• 31:09
  cause
• 31:10
  a
• 31:10
  bit
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  an
• 31:10
  explosion
• 31:11
  too.
• 31:11
  Just.
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  hope
• 31:12
  so.
• 31:13
  Yeah,
• 31:13
  yeah,
• 31:14
  yeah,
• 31:14
  they're
• 31:15
  gonna.
• 31:15
  Yeah,
• 31:16
  it's
• 31:16
  gonna
• 31:16
  be
• 31:16
  different
• 31:16
  for
• 31:16
  sure.
• 31:17
  They'll
• 31:17
  realize
• 31:17
  how
• 31:18
  much
• 31:18
  auto
• 31:18
  tune
• 31:18
  I
• 31:19
  use.
• 31:19
  Not.
• 31:19
  Just
• 31:19
  kidding.
• 31:23
  You're
• 31:23
  fired.
• 31:24
  Auto
• 31:24
  Tune
• 31:24
  Tech.
• 31:25
  Yeah,
• 31:26
  absolutely.
• 31:28
  That's
• 31:28
  really
• 31:28
  neat.
• 31:29
  No,
• 31:29
  no,
• 31:29
  it
• 31:30
  should
• 31:30
  be
• 31:30
  fun.
• 31:30
  I'm
• 31:30
  excited
• 31:31
  for
• 31:31
  it.
• 31:32
  And
• 31:33
  wait,
• 31:33
  so
• 31:33
  this
• 31:33
  is
• 31:33
  your
• 31:34
  first
• 31:34
  show?
• 31:34
  Like
• 31:34
  your
• 31:35
  own,
• 31:35
  like,
• 31:35
  original
• 31:36
  music,
• 31:36
  full
• 31:36
  show.
• 31:36
  Yeah,
• 31:37
  yeah.
• 31:37
  And.
• 31:37
  Or
• 31:38
  is
• 31:38
  it
• 31:38
  just
• 31:38
  you,
• 31:38
  like,
• 31:38
  what's
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  story?
• 31:39
  Just
• 31:39
  me
• 31:39
  and
• 31:40
  my
• 31:40
  piano.
• 31:41
  Oh,
• 31:41
  that's
• 31:41
  gonna
• 31:42
  be
• 31:42
  fun.
• 31:42
  Nice.
• 31:43
  Yeah,
• 31:43
  nice.
• 31:44
  Okay,
• 31:45
  I'm
• 31:45
  excited.
• 31:46
  That's
• 31:46
  really
• 31:46
  cool.
• 31:47
  Yeah.
• 31:48
  All
• 31:48
  right.
• 31:48
  Where
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  live
• 31:49
  world
• 31:49
  takes
• 31:50
  me,
• 31:51
  I'll
• 31:51
  probably
• 31:51
  just
• 31:52
  continue
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  do
• 31:53
  little
• 31:53
  gigs
• 31:53
  here
• 31:54
  and
• 31:54
  there.
• 31:54
  And.
• 31:54
  Yeah,
• 31:55
  that's.
• 31:55
  I
• 31:55
  constantly
• 31:56
  reach
• 31:56
  out
• 31:56
  to,
• 31:57
  like,
• 31:57
  bigger
• 31:57
  musicians
• 31:58
  and
• 31:58
  stuff,
• 31:58
  and
• 31:58
  if
• 31:58
  I
• 31:58
  go
• 31:59
  to
• 31:59
  their
• 31:59
  concert,
• 32:00
  got
• 32:00
  to
• 32:00
  meet
• 32:00
  them
• 32:01
  after
• 32:01
  and
• 32:01
  say,
• 32:01
  hey,
• 32:01
  like,
• 32:03
  what
• 32:03
  do
• 32:03
  I
• 32:03
  need
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  do
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  open
• 32:04
  for
• 32:04
  you
• 32:04
  or
• 32:06
  information
• 32:06
  and
• 32:07
  shoot
• 32:08
  my
• 32:08
  shot
• 32:08
  if
• 32:08
  it
• 32:08
  goes
• 32:08
  nowhere.
• 32:09
  At
• 32:09
  least
• 32:09
  I
• 32:09
  tried,
• 32:09
  so.
• 32:10
  No,
• 32:10
  it
• 32:10
  makes
• 32:10
  sense.
• 32:11
  You
• 32:11
  gotta
• 32:11
  ask,
• 32:12
  right?
• 32:12
  Nothing
• 32:13
  tried,
• 32:13
  nothing
• 32:13
  gained.
• 32:14
  So
• 32:15
  that's
• 32:15
  smart
• 32:15
  in
• 32:15
  itself
• 32:16
  because,
• 32:16
  I
• 32:16
  mean,
• 32:16
  even
• 32:16
  if
• 32:16
  you
• 32:17
  know
• 32:17
  how
• 32:17
  it
• 32:17
  goes,
• 32:17
  you
• 32:17
  don't
• 32:17
  get
• 32:18
  the.
• 32:18
  You
• 32:18
  might
• 32:18
  not
• 32:18
  get
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  opportunity
• 32:19
  immediately,
• 32:21
  but
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  made
• 32:21
  that
• 32:21
  initial
• 32:22
  connection.
• 32:23
  Absolutely.
• 32:23
  So,
• 32:24
  you
• 32:24
  know,
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  door's
• 32:25
  at
• 32:25
  least
• 32:25
  a
• 32:26
  little
• 32:26
  bit
• 32:26
  open
• 32:26
  at
• 32:27
  that
• 32:27
  point.
• 32:27
  Yeah,
• 32:27
  absolutely.
• 32:28
  They
• 32:28
  might.
• 32:29
  They
• 32:29
  might
• 32:29
  remember
• 32:29
  you
• 32:30
  at
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  right
• 32:30
  time
• 32:30
  or
• 32:30
  you
• 32:31
  might
• 32:31
  cross
• 32:31
  paths
• 32:31
  again.
• 32:32
  And
• 32:32
  it's
• 32:32
  like,
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  never
• 32:33
  know.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:33
  So
• 32:34
  that's
• 32:34
  smart,
• 32:34
  man.
• 32:34
  Yeah,
• 32:35
  Keep
• 32:35
  doing
• 32:35
  that.
• 32:36
  Absolutely.
• 32:37
  That's
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  good
• 32:38
  one
• 32:38
  for
• 32:38
  others,
• 32:39
  too.
• 32:39
  A
• 32:39
  lot
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  people
• 32:40
  are
• 32:40
  afraid
• 32:40
  to
• 32:40
  ask.
• 32:41
  That's
• 32:41
  the
• 32:41
  thing.
• 32:42
  Right.
• 32:42
  And
• 32:42
  that's
• 32:43
  something
• 32:43
  I've
• 32:43
  noticed
• 32:43
  when
• 32:43
  I've
• 32:44
  talked
• 32:44
  to
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  bunch
• 32:44
  of
• 32:44
  people
• 32:45
  about,
• 32:45
  you
• 32:45
  know,
• 32:45
  whether
• 32:46
  it's
• 32:47
  just
• 32:47
  going
• 32:47
  up
• 32:47
  to
• 32:47
  an
• 32:47
  artist
• 32:48
  after
• 32:48
  a
• 32:48
  concert
• 32:48
  or
• 32:50
  even
• 32:50
  sometimes
• 32:51
  when
• 32:51
  I
• 32:51
  had,
• 32:51
  like,
• 32:52
  some
• 32:52
  producers
• 32:53
  working
• 32:53
  on
• 32:53
  my
• 32:53
  stuff
• 32:53
  where,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:54
  know,
• 32:54
  some
• 32:54
  of
• 32:55
  their
• 32:55
  work
• 32:55
  is
• 32:55
  a
• 32:55
  little
• 32:55
  bit
• 32:55
  more
• 32:56
  well
• 32:56
  known.
• 32:56
  People
• 32:56
  like,
• 32:57
  oh,
• 32:57
  how
• 32:57
  did
• 32:57
  you
• 32:58
  do
• 32:58
  that?
• 32:58
  And
• 32:58
  then,
• 32:59
  you
• 32:59
  know,
• 33:00
  like
• 33:00
  30,
• 33:01
  40
• 33:01
  people
• 33:01
  and
• 33:02
  I
• 33:02
  got
• 33:02
  zero
• 33:02
  responses.
• 33:03
  And
• 33:03
  then.
• 33:03
  Right.
• 33:04
  People
• 33:04
  responded.
• 33:05
  And,
• 33:05
  like,
• 33:05
  a
• 33:06
  lot
• 33:06
  of
• 33:06
  people
• 33:06
  are
• 33:07
  afraid
• 33:07
  of
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  rejection,
• 33:08
  which
• 33:08
  I
• 33:09
  get.
• 33:10
  Yeah.
• 33:11
  I
• 33:11
  feel
• 33:11
  like
• 33:12
  being
• 33:12
  in
• 33:12
  the
• 33:12
  entertainment
• 33:13
  industry
• 33:13
  as
• 33:13
  long
• 33:13
  as
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  have
• 33:14
  been,
• 33:14
  kind
• 33:14
  of
• 33:14
  like,
• 33:15
  equip
• 33:15
  me
• 33:15
  for
• 33:16
  that.
• 33:16
  So
• 33:16
  maybe
• 33:16
  that's
• 33:16
  where
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  got
• 33:18
  thick
• 33:18
  skin.
• 33:18
  That's
• 33:19
  for
• 33:19
  sure.
• 33:19
  Yeah.
• 33:20
  I've
• 33:20
  been
• 33:21
  told
• 33:21
  no
• 33:21
  a
• 33:22
  billion
• 33:22
  times
• 33:22
  and.
• 33:23
  Yeah.
• 33:23
  Yeah.
• 33:23
  Gotten
• 33:24
  this
• 33:24
  close
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  dream
• 33:25
  roles
• 33:25
  and.
• 33:26
  Yeah.
• 33:27
  Because
• 33:27
  you're
• 33:27
  auditioning
• 33:28
  and
• 33:28
  you've
• 33:28
  been
• 33:28
  doing
• 33:29
  that
• 33:29
  your
• 33:29
  whole
• 33:29
  life.
• 33:29
  Pretty
• 33:30
  much.
• 33:30
  Right?
• 33:30
  Yeah.
• 33:31
  Yeah.
• 33:31
  So
• 33:31
  you've
• 33:31
  got
• 33:32
  thicker
• 33:32
  skin
• 33:32
  than
• 33:33
  most,
• 33:33
  then.
• 33:33
  Yeah,
• 33:34
  yeah.
• 33:34
  Which
• 33:34
  is
• 33:34
  good.
• 33:35
  Yeah.
• 33:36
  It's
• 33:36
  useful
• 33:36
  in
• 33:36
  this
• 33:37
  space,
• 33:37
  for
• 33:37
  sure.
• 33:38
  Yeah,
• 33:38
  yeah,
• 33:39
  absolutely.
• 33:40
  That's
• 33:40
  cool.
• 33:41
  That's
• 33:41
  cool.
• 33:41
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  So
• 33:42
  congrats
• 33:42
  on
• 33:42
  that,
• 33:43
  man.
• 33:43
  Thank
• 33:43
  you.
• 33:43
  Show,
• 33:44
  like,
• 33:44
  first
• 33:46
  one
• 33:46
  man,
• 33:46
  one
• 33:47
  piano
• 33:48
  audience.
• 33:48
  Yes.
• 33:49
  Nice.
• 33:50
  How
• 33:50
  she
• 33:50
  goes.
• 33:50
  Yeah,
• 33:52
  yeah.
• 33:52
  Cool,
• 33:53
  cool.
• 33:53
  Okay.
• 33:54
  Exciting,
• 33:54
  exciting.
• 33:57
  Do
• 33:57
  you
• 33:57
  have
• 33:57
  future
• 33:57
  plans,
• 33:58
  like,
• 33:58
  as
• 33:59
  far
• 33:59
  as,
• 33:59
  like,
• 33:59
  okay,
• 33:59
  so
• 34:00
  talking
• 34:00
  about
• 34:00
  your
• 34:00
  show,
• 34:01
  the
• 34:01
  way
• 34:01
  you're
• 34:01
  starting,
• 34:01
  have
• 34:02
  you
• 34:02
  envisioned,
• 34:03
  like,
• 34:03
  a
• 34:03
  direction
• 34:04
  forward?
• 34:04
  Are
• 34:05
  you
• 34:05
  taking
• 34:05
  it
• 34:05
  show
• 34:05
  by
• 34:06
  show
• 34:06
  as
• 34:06
  far
• 34:06
  as,
• 34:06
  like,
• 34:07
  do
• 34:07
  you
• 34:07
  want
• 34:07
  to
• 34:07
  add
• 34:07
  other
• 34:08
  people
• 34:08
  or
• 34:09
  what
• 34:09
  do
• 34:09
  you
• 34:10
  think
• 34:10
  there?
• 34:11
  Oh,
• 34:11
  man,
• 34:12
  I.
• 34:14
  Yeah,
• 34:15
  my
• 34:15
  whole.
• 34:16
  My
• 34:16
  ideal
• 34:16
  plan
• 34:17
  is
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  just
• 34:17
  start
• 34:17
  opening
• 34:18
  for,
• 34:18
  you
• 34:18
  know,
• 34:19
  start
• 34:19
  with
• 34:19
  small
• 34:19
  artists
• 34:20
  and
• 34:20
  then.
• 34:20
  Okay,
• 34:21
  they
• 34:21
  build
• 34:21
  my
• 34:21
  way
• 34:21
  up
• 34:21
  and
• 34:22
  maybe
• 34:22
  as
• 34:22
  I
• 34:22
  get,
• 34:22
  like,
• 34:23
  footage
• 34:23
  or.
• 34:23
  I
• 34:23
  don't
• 34:24
  know.
• 34:24
  Again,
• 34:24
  I'm
• 34:25
  new
• 34:25
  to
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  live,
• 34:25
  live
• 34:26
  world,
• 34:26
  so
• 34:28
  maybe
• 34:28
  getting
• 34:29
  footage
• 34:29
  and,
• 34:29
  you
• 34:29
  know,
• 34:29
  having
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  online
• 34:30
  will
• 34:30
  entice
• 34:31
  people
• 34:31
  more
• 34:31
  in
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  future
• 34:33
  to
• 34:33
  reach
• 34:33
  back
• 34:33
  out
• 34:34
  or
• 34:34
  stuff
• 34:34
  like
• 34:34
  that.
• 34:35
  But
• 34:36
  in
• 34:36
  terms
• 34:36
  of
• 34:36
  adding
• 34:37
  people,
• 34:37
  there's
• 34:37
  definitely.
• 34:38
  I
• 34:38
  released
• 34:38
  one,
• 34:39
  like,
• 34:39
  upbeat
• 34:39
  song
• 34:40
  and
• 34:40
  there's
• 34:40
  a
• 34:40
  lot
• 34:41
  of,
• 34:41
  like,
• 34:41
  drums
• 34:41
  and,
• 34:42
  you
• 34:42
  know,
• 34:42
  stuff
• 34:42
  like
• 34:42
  that.
• 34:43
  So
• 34:44
  when.
• 34:44
  Yeah,
• 34:45
  when
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  time's
• 34:45
  right,
• 34:46
  I
• 34:46
  would
• 34:46
  love
• 34:46
  to,
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  know,
• 34:47
  build
• 34:47
  a
• 34:48
  band
• 34:48
  of,
• 34:49
  you
• 34:49
  know,
• 34:49
  a
• 34:50
  drummer,
• 34:50
  guitarist,
• 34:51
  something
• 34:51
  like
• 34:51
  that.
• 34:51
  Yeah,
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  think
• 34:52
  that
• 34:52
  would
• 34:52
  be
• 34:53
  nice.
• 34:53
  But
• 34:54
  for
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  current
• 34:54
  moment,
• 34:55
  I
• 34:55
  just
• 34:56
  go
• 34:56
  around
• 34:56
  with
• 34:56
  my
• 34:56
  piano
• 34:57
  and.
• 34:57
  Oh,
• 34:57
  it's
• 34:58
  cool.
• 34:58
  It's
• 34:58
  actually.
• 34:58
  It's
• 34:59
  really
• 34:59
  special.
• 35:00
  Yeah.
• 35:00
  I
• 35:00
  think
• 35:01
  that
• 35:01
  kind
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  intimate
• 35:02
  performance,
• 35:02
  like,
• 35:03
  really
• 35:03
  draws
• 35:04
  people
• 35:04
  in,
• 35:04
  connects.
• 35:05
  There's
• 35:05
  no
• 35:05
  distractions.
• 35:06
  Right.
• 35:06
  Yeah.
• 35:06
  People
• 35:06
  are
• 35:07
  locked
• 35:07
  in,
• 35:07
  into
• 35:08
  everything
• 35:09
  focused.
• 35:09
  On
• 35:09
  you,
• 35:10
  which
• 35:11
  can
• 35:11
  be
• 35:11
  a
• 35:11
  good
• 35:12
  thing.
• 35:12
  So.
• 35:13
  Yeah,
• 35:13
  I
• 35:13
  saw
• 35:15
  an
• 35:15
  artist
• 35:15
  named
• 35:15
  Ken
• 35:16
  Ducrow,
• 35:16
  opened
• 35:16
  for
• 35:16
  Callum
• 35:17
  Scott
• 35:17
  last
• 35:17
  year.
• 35:18
  Nice.
• 35:18
  And
• 35:19
  he
• 35:19
  was.
• 35:20
  Yeah,
• 35:20
  it
• 35:20
  was
• 35:20
  just
• 35:20
  him
• 35:20
  and
• 35:21
  his
• 35:21
  piano
• 35:21
  and,
• 35:21
  like,
• 35:22
  that
• 35:22
  was,
• 35:23
  like,
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  best
• 35:23
  opening
• 35:23
  performance
• 35:24
  I've
• 35:24
  seen.
• 35:24
  So
• 35:24
  that's
• 35:25
  cool.
• 35:25
  When
• 35:25
  I
• 35:25
  saw
• 35:26
  that,
• 35:26
  I
• 35:26
  was
• 35:26
  like,
• 35:26
  you
• 35:27
  know,
• 35:27
  maybe
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  don't
• 35:27
  need
• 35:28
  to,
• 35:28
  you
• 35:28
  know,
• 35:28
  wait
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  have
• 35:29
  a.
• 35:29
  A
• 35:29
  band
• 35:30
  or
• 35:30
  all
• 35:30
  this
• 35:30
  fancy
• 35:30
  stuff.
• 35:31
  Yeah,
• 35:31
  yeah,
• 35:32
  yeah,
• 35:33
  it's
• 35:33
  true.
• 35:33
  Yeah.
• 35:34
  So,
• 35:34
  yeah,
• 35:34
  why
• 35:34
  wait?
• 35:34
  Right?
• 35:35
  Yeah.
• 35:35
  Yeah.
• 35:36
  You're
• 35:36
  gonna
• 35:36
  waste
• 35:36
  a
• 35:36
  lot
• 35:37
  of
• 35:37
  time
• 35:37
  building
• 35:37
  towards,
• 35:38
  like,
• 35:39
  started
• 35:39
  100.
• 35:40
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  Follow
• 35:42
  as
• 35:42
  it
• 35:42
  should,
• 35:42
  I'm
• 35:43
  sure.
• 35:43
  So.
• 35:43
  Because
• 35:44
  it's
• 35:44
  never
• 35:44
  going
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  be,
• 35:45
  like,
• 35:45
  perfect.
• 35:47
  Some
• 35:47
  people
• 35:47
  are
• 35:47
  waiting
• 35:48
  for
• 35:48
  that
• 35:48
  perfect
• 35:48
  moment
• 35:49
  or
• 35:50
  perfect
• 35:50
  song
• 35:50
  or
• 35:51
  that
• 35:51
  perfect
• 35:52
  sound.
• 35:52
  It's
• 35:53
  like,
• 35:53
  just
• 35:53
  put
• 35:54
  it
• 35:54
  out.
• 35:54
  Do
• 35:54
  it.
• 35:55
  Just
• 35:55
  try.
• 35:55
  Yeah,
• 35:56
  yeah.
• 35:56
  There's
• 35:57
  so
• 35:57
  much.
• 35:57
  And
• 35:57
  you
• 35:58
  grow
• 35:58
  so
• 35:58
  much
• 35:58
  by
• 35:59
  just
• 35:59
  doing
• 35:59
  things
• 36:00
  too
• 36:00
  right.
• 36:01
  You
• 36:01
  can
• 36:01
  overthink
• 36:02
  them
• 36:02
  and,
• 36:02
  like,
• 36:02
  talk
• 36:03
  yourself
• 36:03
  out
• 36:03
  of
• 36:03
  what
• 36:04
  would
• 36:04
  have
• 36:04
  come
• 36:04
  next,
• 36:04
  or
• 36:04
  you
• 36:05
  can
• 36:05
  just.
• 36:05
  Yeah.
• 36:05
  You
• 36:06
  have
• 36:06
  no
• 36:06
  idea
• 36:06
  what
• 36:06
  would
• 36:06
  have
• 36:06
  happened.
• 36:07
  Yeah,
• 36:07
  yeah.
• 36:08
  Hey,
• 36:08
  Nike
• 36:08
  was
• 36:08
  right.
• 36:09
  Just
• 36:09
  do
• 36:09
  it.
• 36:09
  That's
• 36:10
  like
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  truest
• 36:11
  words.
• 36:12
  Yeah,
• 36:14
  yeah.
• 36:14
  That's
• 36:15
  cool.
• 36:15
  That's
• 36:15
  cool.
• 36:16
  There's
• 36:16
  so
• 36:16
  much
• 36:16
  to
• 36:16
  look
• 36:17
  forward
• 36:17
  to
• 36:17
  with
• 36:17
  what
• 36:18
  you're
• 36:18
  doing.
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  want
• 36:19
  you
• 36:20
  to.
• 36:20
  If
• 36:20
  you
• 36:20
  don't
• 36:21
  mind,
• 36:21
  could
• 36:21
  you
• 36:21
  give
• 36:21
  some
• 36:22
  advice?
• 36:22
  Because
• 36:22
  now
• 36:22
  I
• 36:23
  mean,
• 36:23
  you've
• 36:23
  taken
• 36:23
  us
• 36:23
  through
• 36:24
  your
• 36:24
  story.
• 36:24
  Yeah.
• 36:25
  Some
• 36:25
  of
• 36:25
  your
• 36:25
  story
• 36:26
  from
• 36:26
  the
• 36:26
  dorm
• 36:26
  room.
• 36:27
  Absolutely.
• 36:27
  You
• 36:27
  had
• 36:28
  a
• 36:28
  four
• 36:28
  bedroom
• 36:28
  house
• 36:28
  to
• 36:29
  yourself.
• 36:29
  That's
• 36:29
  kind
• 36:29
  of.
• 36:30
  Yeah,
• 36:30
  it's
• 36:30
  like
• 36:31
  kind
• 36:31
  of
• 36:31
  cool
• 36:31
  actually.
• 36:32
  I
• 36:32
  went
• 36:32
  to
• 36:33
  Fanshawe
• 36:34
  College
• 36:34
  in
• 36:34
  London
• 36:35
  and
• 36:35
  yeah,
• 36:35
  their
• 36:35
  dorms
• 36:36
  are
• 36:36
  like
• 36:36
  four
• 36:36
  bedrooms,
• 36:37
  bedroom
• 36:37
  apartments.
• 36:38
  There's
• 36:39
  like
• 36:39
  a
• 36:39
  kitchen,
• 36:39
  living
• 36:39
  room,
• 36:40
  two
• 36:40
  bathrooms.
• 36:41
  That's
• 36:42
  cool.
• 36:42
  Yeah,
• 36:43
  it
• 36:43
  was
• 36:43
  cool.
• 36:43
  I
• 36:43
  was
• 36:43
  left
• 36:43
  with
• 36:43
  that,
• 36:44
  the.
• 36:44
  All
• 36:44
  the
• 36:44
  roommates,
• 36:45
  their
• 36:45
  stuff.
• 36:45
  So
• 36:45
  the
• 36:46
  food
• 36:46
  was
• 36:46
  rotten
• 36:46
  when
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  got
• 36:47
  back
• 36:47
  and
• 36:48
  I
• 36:48
  had
• 36:48
  to
• 36:48
  deal
• 36:48
  with
• 36:48
  a
• 36:48
  lot
• 36:49
  of
• 36:49
  that.
• 36:49
  But
• 36:50
  it
• 36:50
  was
• 36:50
  worth
• 36:51
  it
• 36:51
  by
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  end
• 36:51
  of
• 36:51
  it.
• 36:52
  Yeah.
• 36:52
  After
• 36:53
  that
• 36:53
  it
• 36:53
  was
• 36:53
  good.
• 36:53
  Yeah,
• 36:54
  that
• 36:54
  was
• 36:54
  cool.
• 36:55
  That
• 36:55
  is
• 36:55
  funny.
• 36:56
  Okay.
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  got,
• 36:57
  I
• 36:57
  distracted
• 36:57
  myself
• 36:57
  because
• 36:58
  I
• 36:58
  just
• 36:58
  took
• 36:58
  that
• 36:59
  in,
• 36:59
  what
• 36:59
  you
• 36:59
  actually
• 36:59
  told
• 37:00
  me.
• 37:00
  But
• 37:00
  as
• 37:00
  far
• 37:01
  as
• 37:01
  being
• 37:01
  like
• 37:01
  coming
• 37:02
  from
• 37:02
  that
• 37:02
  dorm
• 37:02
  room,
• 37:04
  obviously,
• 37:05
  I
• 37:05
  mean,
• 37:05
  I
• 37:05
  don't
• 37:06
  know
• 37:06
  how
• 37:06
  much
• 37:06
  of
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  vision
• 37:07
  you
• 37:07
  had
• 37:07
  as
• 37:07
  far
• 37:07
  as
• 37:07
  like
• 37:08
  how
• 37:08
  far
• 37:08
  you'd
• 37:09
  be
• 37:09
  looking
• 37:09
  to
• 37:10
  push
• 37:10
  this,
• 37:10
  but
• 37:10
  what
• 37:11
  would
• 37:11
  your
• 37:11
  advice
• 37:11
  be
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  somebody
• 37:12
  who's
• 37:12
  in
• 37:13
  a
• 37:13
  similar
• 37:13
  situation?
• 37:14
  You
• 37:14
  know,
• 37:14
  just
• 37:14
  picked
• 37:14
  up
• 37:15
  an
• 37:15
  instrument,
• 37:15
  writing
• 37:16
  some
• 37:16
  songs
• 37:17
  mainly
• 37:18
  for
• 37:18
  themselves,
• 37:19
  not
• 37:19
  really
• 37:19
  doing
• 37:19
  anything
• 37:20
  with
• 37:20
  them
• 37:20
  yet.
• 37:21
  What's
• 37:21
  your
• 37:21
  advice?
• 37:22
  Looking
• 37:22
  back
• 37:23
  on,
• 37:23
  you
• 37:23
  know,
• 37:23
  how
• 37:23
  far.
• 37:24
  You'Ve
• 37:24
  come
• 37:24
  since
• 37:24
  then
• 37:25
  and
• 37:26
  just
• 37:27
  probably
• 37:28
  everyone
• 37:28
  says
• 37:28
  this,
• 37:29
  but
• 37:29
  just
• 37:29
  don't
• 37:29
  overthink
• 37:30
  it
• 37:30
  and
• 37:30
  just
• 37:30
  put
• 37:30
  it
• 37:30
  out.
• 37:31
  Like,
• 37:31
  had
• 37:31
  I
• 37:31
  sat
• 37:32
  there
• 37:32
  a
• 37:32
  little
• 37:32
  bit
• 37:33
  too
• 37:33
  long
• 37:33
  before
• 37:34
  posting
• 37:34
  a
• 37:35
  video
• 37:35
  online,
• 37:35
  I
• 37:36
  probably
• 37:36
  wouldn't
• 37:36
  have
• 37:37
  started.
• 37:37
  Like,
• 37:38
  especially
• 37:38
  in
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  very
• 37:38
  beginning
• 37:39
  when
• 37:39
  I
• 37:39
  was
• 37:39
  feeling
• 37:39
  very
• 37:39
  vulnerable
• 37:40
  with
• 37:40
  like
• 37:40
  my
• 37:40
  emotions
• 37:41
  and
• 37:42
  I
• 37:42
  hadn't.
• 37:43
  Like
• 37:43
  I
• 37:43
  said,
• 37:43
  I
• 37:44
  kind
• 37:44
  of
• 37:44
  lost
• 37:45
  my
• 37:45
  vocal
• 37:45
  range
• 37:46
  for
• 37:46
  many,
• 37:46
  many
• 37:46
  years.
• 37:47
  And
• 37:48
  yeah,
• 37:48
  I'm
• 37:49
  horrible,
• 37:49
  to
• 37:49
  be
• 37:49
  honest.
• 37:50
  I
• 37:51
  can
• 37:51
  imagine.
• 37:52
  Yes,
• 37:54
  it
• 37:54
  was
• 37:54
  brutal.
• 37:56
  So
• 37:56
  yeah,
• 37:56
  I
• 37:56
  think
• 37:56
  had
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  sat
• 37:57
  there
• 37:57
  with
• 37:57
  it
• 37:57
  and
• 37:58
  thought
• 37:58
  a
• 37:58
  little
• 37:58
  bit
• 37:58
  too
• 37:59
  long
• 37:59
  about
• 37:59
  posting
• 37:59
  a
• 37:59
  first
• 38:00
  clip
• 38:00
  on,
• 38:01
  on
• 38:01
  Instagram
• 38:01
  or.
• 38:02
  Yeah,
• 38:02
  I
• 38:02
  think
• 38:02
  I
• 38:02
  posted
• 38:03
  a
• 38:03
  story
• 38:03
  first
• 38:03
  and
• 38:04
  I
• 38:05
  kind
• 38:05
  of
• 38:05
  just
• 38:05
  like,
• 38:05
  I
• 38:06
  just
• 38:06
  did
• 38:06
  it.
• 38:06
  I
• 38:07
  didn't
• 38:07
  sit
• 38:07
  for
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  minute.
• 38:08
  Yeah,
• 38:09
  I
• 38:09
  think
• 38:10
  had
• 38:10
  I
• 38:10
  not
• 38:10
  done
• 38:11
  that,
• 38:11
  I
• 38:11
  probably
• 38:11
  wouldn't
• 38:12
  be
• 38:12
  doing
• 38:12
  it
• 38:12
  today.
• 38:13
  So
• 38:13
  big
• 38:13
  advice.
• 38:14
  Yeah.
• 38:14
  If
• 38:14
  you
• 38:14
  have
• 38:15
  something,
• 38:15
  just,
• 38:15
  just,
• 38:15
  just
• 38:16
  post
• 38:16
  it
• 38:16
  and
• 38:16
  you
• 38:16
  know
• 38:17
  what
• 38:17
  it
• 38:17
  is,
• 38:18
  what
• 38:18
  it
• 38:18
  is.
• 38:18
  If
• 38:19
  there's
• 38:19
  feedback
• 38:20
  that's
• 38:20
  not
• 38:20
  so
• 38:20
  good,
• 38:21
  you
• 38:21
  know,
• 38:21
  maybe
• 38:22
  you
• 38:22
  learn
• 38:22
  from
• 38:22
  it
• 38:22
  and
• 38:23
  response
• 38:24
  is
• 38:24
  good.
• 38:24
  It
• 38:24
  gives
• 38:25
  you
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  kind
• 38:25
  of
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  push
• 38:26
  to
• 38:26
  keep
• 38:26
  going,
• 38:26
  but
• 38:27
  regardless,
• 38:27
  just,
• 38:27
  yeah,
• 38:28
  do
• 38:28
  it,
• 38:28
  keep
• 38:28
  going.
• 38:30
  That's
• 38:31
  it.
• 38:31
  That's
• 38:31
  it.
• 38:32
  Yeah.
• 38:32
  It's
• 38:32
  like
• 38:33
  you
• 38:33
  said
• 38:33
  earlier
• 38:33
  about
• 38:34
  like,
• 38:35
  it's
• 38:35
  never
• 38:35
  going
• 38:35
  to
• 38:35
  be
• 38:35
  perfect.
• 38:36
  What's
• 38:36
  the
• 38:36
  thing
• 38:37
  for
• 38:37
  that?
• 38:37
  Like
• 38:37
  my
• 38:38
  first
• 38:38
  song
• 38:38
  wasn't
• 38:38
  Perfect.
• 38:39
  And
• 38:40
  my
• 38:40
  second.
• 38:40
  And
• 38:40
  every
• 38:41
  time
• 38:41
  I
• 38:41
  release,
• 38:42
  I
• 38:42
  learned
• 38:42
  something
• 38:43
  and
• 38:43
  try
• 38:43
  to
• 38:44
  improve
• 38:44
  on
• 38:44
  it.
• 38:44
  So,
• 38:45
  yeah,
• 38:47
  trust
• 38:47
  the
• 38:48
  process.
• 38:48
  I
• 38:48
  guess
• 38:48
  that's
• 38:49
  just
• 38:49
  what
• 38:49
  it
• 38:49
  comes
• 38:50
  down
• 38:50
  to,
• 38:50
  right?
• 38:50
  Yeah,
• 38:50
  absolutely.
• 38:51
  And
• 38:51
  yourself.
• 38:52
  That's
• 38:52
  a
• 38:52
  big
• 38:52
  one.
• 38:52
  That's
• 38:53
  all
• 38:53
  that
• 38:53
  matters.
• 38:54
  That's
• 38:54
  all.
• 38:54
  Yeah,
• 38:54
  yeah.
• 38:54
  Your
• 38:55
  people
• 38:55
  are
• 38:55
  going
• 38:55
  to
• 38:55
  always
• 38:55
  have
• 38:56
  an
• 38:56
  opinion,
• 38:57
  no
• 38:57
  matter
• 38:57
  what.
• 38:57
  Lean
• 38:58
  to
• 38:58
  one
• 38:58
  side
• 38:58
  or
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  other.
• 38:59
  I
• 38:59
  mean,
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  could
• 38:59
  be
• 38:59
  delusional
• 39:00
  when
• 39:00
  you
• 39:00
  know
• 39:00
  someone's
• 39:01
  saying
• 39:01
  you're
• 39:01
  amazing
• 39:01
  and
• 39:02
  you're
• 39:02
  just
• 39:02
  not
• 39:02
  good
• 39:02
  at
• 39:02
  that
• 39:03
  thing.
• 39:03
  Exactly.
• 39:03
  But
• 39:03
  the
• 39:04
  same
• 39:04
  goes
• 39:04
  on
• 39:04
  the
• 39:04
  flip
• 39:05
  side.
• 39:05
  So
• 39:05
  you
• 39:05
  got
• 39:05
  to
• 39:05
  really
• 39:06
  believe
• 39:06
  in
• 39:06
  what
• 39:06
  you
• 39:06
  do.
• 39:06
  And,
• 39:07
  yeah.
• 39:08
  Fact
• 39:08
  is,
• 39:08
  maybe
• 39:08
  you're
• 39:08
  not
• 39:09
  amazing.
• 39:09
  You
• 39:09
  know,
• 39:09
  I.
• 39:10
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  None
• 39:10
  of
• 39:10
  us
• 39:11
  were
• 39:11
  great
• 39:11
  when
• 39:11
  we
• 39:11
  first
• 39:11
  picked
• 39:12
  up
• 39:12
  an
• 39:12
  instrument.
• 39:13
  Absolutely.
• 39:13
  That's
• 39:14
  just
• 39:14
  a
• 39:14
  part
• 39:14
  of
• 39:14
  the
• 39:14
  process.
• 39:15
  So
• 39:15
  it's
• 39:16
  not
• 39:16
  your
• 39:16
  time
• 39:16
  to
• 39:16
  be
• 39:16
  amazing.
• 39:17
  It
• 39:18
  takes
• 39:18
  a
• 39:18
  little
• 39:18
  bit.
• 39:18
  A
• 39:19
  lot
• 39:19
  of
• 39:19
  work.
• 39:19
  Work.
• 39:19
  It
• 39:19
  takes
• 39:19
  a
• 39:19
  lot
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  work.
• 39:20
  Yeah.
• 39:20
  A
• 39:20
  lot
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  work.
• 39:20
  Absolutely.
• 39:22
  I
• 39:22
  ask
• 39:22
  you
• 39:22
  one
• 39:23
  more
• 39:23
  kind
• 39:23
  of
• 39:23
  similar
• 39:23
  question,
• 39:24
  hopefully
• 39:24
  to
• 39:24
  help
• 39:25
  some
• 39:25
  people
• 39:25
  listening
• 39:25
  and
• 39:26
  then
• 39:27
  let
• 39:27
  people
• 39:27
  know
• 39:27
  where
• 39:27
  to
• 39:28
  find
• 39:28
  you
• 39:28
  and
• 39:28
  give
• 39:28
  some
• 39:28
  information
• 39:29
  on
• 39:29
  all
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  good
• 39:29
  stuff.
• 39:30
  But
• 39:30
  what's
• 39:31
  some
• 39:31
  advice
• 39:31
  you
• 39:31
  have?
• 39:31
  Or,
• 39:32
  like,
• 39:32
  how
• 39:32
  do
• 39:32
  you
• 39:32
  stay
• 39:32
  motivated?
• 39:33
  Because
• 39:33
  I
• 39:34
  know
• 39:34
  there's
• 39:34
  a
• 39:34
  lot
• 39:34
  of
• 39:34
  times,
• 39:35
  like,
• 39:35
  when
• 39:35
  you
• 39:36
  look
• 39:36
  back,
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  distance
• 39:37
  from
• 39:38
  picking
• 39:39
  up
• 39:39
  a
• 39:39
  guitar,
• 39:39
  dorm
• 39:40
  room,
• 39:40
  practicing,
• 39:41
  writing
• 39:41
  songs
• 39:41
  to
• 39:42
  where
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  are
• 39:42
  just
• 39:42
  seems
• 39:43
  like
• 39:43
  a
• 39:43
  flash
• 39:43
  when
• 39:43
  you
• 39:44
  talk
• 39:44
  about
• 39:44
  it.
• 39:45
  But
• 39:45
  how
• 39:45
  do
• 39:45
  you
• 39:45
  stay.
• 39:46
  How
• 39:46
  did
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  stay
• 39:47
  motivated?
• 39:47
  And
• 39:48
  do
• 39:48
  you
• 39:48
  stay
• 39:48
  motivated
• 39:49
  currently
• 39:49
  when
• 39:49
  things
• 39:50
  are
• 39:50
  moving
• 39:51
  slower
• 39:51
  than
• 39:51
  you
• 39:51
  would
• 39:52
  want
• 39:52
  them
• 39:52
  to?
• 39:53
  I
• 39:53
  think
• 39:54
  my
• 39:54
  biggest
• 39:55
  thing,
• 39:55
  and
• 39:55
  this
• 39:55
  is
• 39:56
  something
• 39:56
  that's
• 39:57
  changed
• 39:57
  for
• 39:57
  me,
• 39:59
  like,
• 39:59
  in
• 39:59
  personal
• 39:59
  life
• 40:00
  as
• 40:00
  well.
• 40:01
  Just
• 40:01
  going
• 40:02
  through
• 40:02
  some
• 40:02
  certain
• 40:02
  things
• 40:02
  kind
• 40:03
  of
• 40:03
  made
• 40:03
  me
• 40:03
  realize,
• 40:03
  like,
• 40:04
  mindset
• 40:05
  is
• 40:05
  huge.
• 40:05
  And
• 40:05
  I
• 40:06
  think
• 40:07
  it's
• 40:09
  like,
• 40:09
  when
• 40:09
  I
• 40:09
  started,
• 40:10
  I
• 40:10
  don't
• 40:11
  want
• 40:11
  to
• 40:11
  think
• 40:11
  like,
• 40:12
  you
• 40:13
  know,
• 40:13
  I
• 40:13
  would
• 40:13
  like
• 40:13
  to
• 40:13
  be
• 40:13
  a
• 40:13
  singer.
• 40:14
  I
• 40:14
  want
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  be
• 40:14
  a
• 40:14
  singer
• 40:15
  one
• 40:15
  day.
• 40:15
  I.
• 40:16
  I
• 40:16
  need
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  do
• 40:16
  this
• 40:17
  so
• 40:17
  I
• 40:17
  can
• 40:17
  sing.
• 40:18
  If
• 40:19
  you're
• 40:19
  releasing
• 40:19
  music,
• 40:19
  if
• 40:19
  you're
• 40:20
  making
• 40:20
  music,
• 40:20
  you
• 40:20
  are
• 40:20
  a
• 40:21
  singer.
• 40:21
  So
• 40:21
  I
• 40:22
  think
• 40:22
  just
• 40:22
  kind
• 40:23
  of
• 40:23
  thinking
• 40:23
  that,
• 40:23
  like,
• 40:23
  I'm
• 40:24
  doing
• 40:24
  it
• 40:24
  right
• 40:24
  now.
• 40:24
  Yeah,
• 40:25
  maybe
• 40:25
  it's
• 40:25
  at
• 40:25
  a
• 40:25
  smaller
• 40:26
  scale,
• 40:26
  but
• 40:26
  it's
• 40:26
  the
• 40:27
  same
• 40:27
  thing.
• 40:27
  Like,
• 40:28
  whether
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  have
• 40:29
  a
• 40:29
  thousand
• 40:29
  or
• 40:29
  a
• 40:30
  hundred
• 40:30
  thousand
• 40:30
  streams
• 40:30
  on
• 40:30
  a
• 40:31
  song
• 40:31
  or,
• 40:31
  you
• 40:31
  know,
• 40:31
  10
• 40:32
  million,
• 40:33
  everyone's
• 40:34
  doing
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  same
• 40:34
  thing.
• 40:35
  So
• 40:36
  I
• 40:37
  kind
• 40:37
  of
• 40:37
  just
• 40:37
  try
• 40:37
  to
• 40:37
  think,
• 40:38
  like,
• 40:38
  yeah,
• 40:38
  maybe
• 40:38
  it
• 40:38
  is
• 40:39
  a
• 40:39
  little
• 40:39
  bit
• 40:39
  delusional.
• 40:39
  But
• 40:40
  when
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  first
• 40:40
  started,
• 40:40
  I'm
• 40:41
  like,
• 40:41
  you
• 40:41
  know,
• 40:41
  I'm
• 40:42
  a
• 40:42
  musician
• 40:42
  now.
• 40:42
  I'm
• 40:42
  an
• 40:43
  artist.
• 40:43
  Like,
• 40:43
  this
• 40:43
  is
• 40:43
  what
• 40:43
  I
• 40:44
  It's
• 40:44
  not
• 40:44
  like
• 40:45
  I'm
• 40:45
  trying
• 40:45
  to.
• 40:46
  Yeah,
• 40:46
  yeah.
• 40:47
  You
• 40:47
  know,
• 40:47
  Yes,
• 40:48
  I
• 40:48
  am
• 40:48
  trying
• 40:48
  to.
• 40:48
  But
• 40:49
  yeah,
• 40:50
  like,
• 40:50
  if
• 40:50
  you're
• 40:50
  doing
• 40:51
  it,
• 40:51
  you're
• 40:51
  already
• 40:51
  there.
• 40:52
  You're
• 40:52
  already
• 40:52
  a
• 40:52
  success
• 40:52
  just
• 40:53
  from
• 40:53
  making
• 40:53
  music.
• 40:54
  So
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  think
• 40:54
  if
• 40:55
  you
• 40:55
  think
• 40:55
  that
• 40:55
  way,
• 40:55
  you
• 40:56
  don't
• 40:56
  need
• 40:56
  motivation
• 40:57
  to
• 40:57
  keep
• 40:57
  going.
• 40:57
  It's
• 40:58
  kind
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  just
• 40:58
  like,
• 40:58
  you
• 40:58
  know,
• 40:59
  this
• 40:59
  is
• 40:59
  what
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  do.
• 40:59
  If
• 40:59
  you
• 41:00
  enjoy
• 41:00
  it
• 41:00
  enough,
• 41:01
  let's
• 41:01
  keep
• 41:01
  going.
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:03
  That's
• 41:04
  huge
• 41:04
  advice,
• 41:04
  man.
• 41:05
  That's.
• 41:05
  That's
• 41:05
  really.
• 41:05
  It's
• 41:06
  like
• 41:06
  it
• 41:06
  comes
• 41:06
  down
• 41:07
  to
• 41:07
  identity.
• 41:08
  Yeah.
• 41:08
  You
• 41:08
  decide
• 41:09
  to
• 41:09
  be
• 41:09
  that
• 41:09
  thing.
• 41:10
  There
• 41:10
  was
• 41:10
  always.
• 41:11
  I
• 41:11
  know.
• 41:11
  I've
• 41:11
  heard
• 41:11
  this
• 41:11
  thing
• 41:12
  with
• 41:12
  people
• 41:12
  who
• 41:12
  are
• 41:12
  smokers.
• 41:13
  Yes.
• 41:14
  It's
• 41:14
  like
• 41:14
  one
• 41:14
  of
• 41:14
  the
• 41:14
  hacks
• 41:15
  to
• 41:15
  quit
• 41:15
  is
• 41:16
  to
• 41:16
  stop
• 41:16
  calling
• 41:16
  yourself
• 41:17
  a
• 41:17
  smoker.
• 41:17
  Like
• 41:17
  you're
• 41:18
  identifying
• 41:18
  with
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  thing.
• 41:20
  So
• 41:20
  it
• 41:20
  works
• 41:20
  on
• 41:20
  the
• 41:21
  opposite
• 41:21
  too.
• 41:22
  Totally
• 41:22
  agree.
• 41:23
  Now
• 41:24
  I'm
• 41:24
  an
• 41:24
  athlete,
• 41:24
  so
• 41:24
  now
• 41:25
  I
• 41:25
  treat
• 41:25
  my
• 41:25
  body
• 41:25
  like
• 41:26
  an
• 41:26
  athlete.
• 41:26
  What
• 41:26
  I
• 41:27
  see
• 41:27
  myself
• 41:27
  in
• 41:28
  that
• 41:28
  way.
• 41:28
  I'm
• 41:28
  just
• 41:28
  drinking
• 41:29
  more
• 41:29
  water.
• 41:29
  Small
• 41:30
  things.
• 41:30
  Yeah.
• 41:31
  Eventually
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  build.
• 41:32
  It
• 41:32
  becomes
• 41:33
  so.
• 41:34
  Totally
• 41:35
  believe
• 41:35
  in
• 41:35
  that.
• 41:35
  I
• 41:36
  had
• 41:36
  some
• 41:36
  friends,
• 41:36
  like,
• 41:36
  trying
• 41:37
  to
• 41:37
  quit
• 41:37
  vaping
• 41:37
  and
• 41:37
  stuff
• 41:37
  like
• 41:38
  that.
• 41:38
  You
• 41:38
  know
• 41:39
  when
• 41:39
  people
• 41:39
  would
• 41:39
  ask,
• 41:39
  like,
• 41:39
  do
• 41:39
  you
• 41:39
  smoke?
• 41:40
  Do
• 41:40
  you
• 41:40
  vape?
• 41:40
  They'd
• 41:40
  be
• 41:40
  like,
• 41:41
  oh,
• 41:41
  like
• 41:41
  I'm
• 41:42
  trying
• 41:42
  to
• 41:42
  quit
• 41:42
  or
• 41:42
  I
• 41:43
  used
• 41:43
  to.
• 41:44
  I,
• 41:44
  I
• 41:45
  said,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  stop
• 41:45
  that.
• 41:45
  Just
• 41:46
  say,
• 41:46
  I
• 41:46
  know.
• 41:46
  I
• 41:47
  don't,
• 41:47
  I
• 41:48
  don't.
• 41:48
  It
• 41:48
  is.
• 41:48
  Yeah.
• 41:51
  I'm
• 41:51
  an
• 41:51
  artist,
• 41:51
  I'm
• 41:52
  an
• 41:52
  actor.
• 41:52
  All
• 41:52
  connected,
• 41:53
  right?
• 41:53
  Yeah.
• 41:54
  Yeah.
• 41:54
  Your
• 41:54
  identity,
• 41:56
  your
• 41:56
  brain's
• 41:57
  defining
• 41:57
  yourself
• 41:58
  by
• 41:58
  actions
• 41:59
  that
• 41:59
  you
• 41:59
  don't
• 41:59
  even
• 41:59
  want
• 41:59
  to.
• 42:00
  Exactly.
• 42:01
  Yeah.
• 42:01
  That's
• 42:01
  huge,
• 42:01
  man.
• 42:02
  I
• 42:02
  could
• 42:02
  talk
• 42:02
  about
• 42:02
  that
• 42:02
  all
• 42:02
  day.
• 42:03
  That's
• 42:03
  one
• 42:03
  of
• 42:03
  my
• 42:03
  favorite
• 42:04
  things
• 42:04
  right
• 42:04
  there
• 42:04
  is
• 42:04
  this.
• 42:05
  But
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  fact
• 42:06
  that,
• 42:06
  I
• 42:06
  mean,
• 42:06
  you've
• 42:07
  realized
• 42:07
  that
• 42:07
  about
• 42:08
  yourself
• 42:08
  and
• 42:08
  you
• 42:09
  can
• 42:09
  share
• 42:09
  it
• 42:09
  with
• 42:09
  other
• 42:10
  people,
• 42:10
  I
• 42:10
  think
• 42:10
  that's,
• 42:11
  that's
• 42:11
  life
• 42:11
  changing
• 42:12
  for
• 42:12
  a
• 42:12
  lot
• 42:12
  of
• 42:12
  people
• 42:12
  because
• 42:13
  it
• 42:13
  seems
• 42:13
  so
• 42:13
  obvious,
• 42:14
  but
• 42:15
  it's
• 42:15
  not.
• 42:15
  It's
• 42:16
  not
• 42:16
  to
• 42:16
  a
• 42:16
  lot
• 42:16
  of
• 42:16
  people.
• 42:16
  So
• 42:17
  thanks
• 42:18
  for
• 42:18
  sharing
• 42:18
  that,
• 42:19
  man.
• 42:19
  Definitely
• 42:20
  hard.
• 42:20
  Yeah.
• 42:20
  Yeah.
• 42:24
  Thank
• 42:24
  you.
• 42:24
  Give
• 42:25
  some
• 42:25
  people.
• 42:32
  Yeah.
• 42:33
  I'm
• 42:33
  on
• 42:34
  every
• 42:34
  social
• 42:34
  media
• 42:35
  platform,
• 42:35
  so
• 42:35
  Instagram,
• 42:36
  YouTube,
• 42:36
  TikTok,
• 42:36
  all
• 42:37
  of
• 42:37
  that
• 42:38
  everywhere.
• 42:38
  Music
• 42:39
  wise
• 42:39
  as
• 42:39
  well.
• 42:39
  All
• 42:40
  just
• 42:40
  under
• 42:40
  Tate
• 42:40
  Yap.
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  have
• 42:42
  a
• 42:42
  lot
• 42:42
  of
• 42:42
  music
• 42:43
  coming.
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  actually
• 42:43
  have
• 42:44
  quite
• 42:44
  a
• 42:44
  backlog
• 42:44
  right
• 42:45
  now,
• 42:45
  so
• 42:46
  there'll
• 42:46
  be
• 42:46
  more
• 42:47
  music
• 42:47
  in
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  next
• 42:48
  year
• 42:48
  than
• 42:48
  I
• 42:49
  put
• 42:49
  out
• 42:49
  before,
• 42:49
  so
• 42:51
  stay
• 42:51
  tuned
• 42:51
  for
• 42:51
  that.
• 42:51
  If
• 42:52
  you're
• 42:52
  in
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  Toronto
• 42:52
  area,
• 42:53
  I'll
• 42:53
  probably
• 42:54
  have
• 42:54
  some
• 42:54
  shows
• 42:55
  and
• 42:55
  stuff
• 42:55
  here,
• 42:56
  but
• 42:57
  yeah,
• 42:57
  yeah,
• 42:58
  that's.
• 42:58
  That's
• 42:58
  pretty
• 42:58
  much
• 42:58
  it.
• 42:59
  Acting
• 42:59
  wise.
• 42:59
  There's
• 43:00
  a
• 43:00
  couple,
• 43:00
  couple
• 43:01
  things
• 43:01
  coming
• 43:01
  out.
• 43:01
  So
• 43:02
  if
• 43:02
  you're
• 43:02
  interested
• 43:02
  in
• 43:02
  that
• 43:02
  kind
• 43:03
  of
• 43:03
  stuff
• 43:03
  as
• 43:03
  well,
• 43:03
  there'll
• 43:04
  be
• 43:04
  some
• 43:04
  news
• 43:04
  there
• 43:04
  too
• 43:05
  soon.
• 43:05
  So.
• 43:06
  Yeah,
• 43:25
  Sam.