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Life After the NFL Could be Deadly · Sports Exchange

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Speaker 2: what we have to work with our goals, keep the sports.
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Speaker 2: We change an hour, hour and five minutes to try
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Speaker 2: to keep it up to ten ten oh five. Marky,
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Speaker 2: if I asked you to say five minutes later, you
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Speaker 1: Minutes possibly, I don't know. I wish I could. But
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Speaker 1: let's see, let's let's fill the show.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's okay, I talked fast. Maybe we'll get you
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Speaker 2: out here at ten. Don't worry about it. And I'm
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Speaker 2: just messing with your head anyway, Jilson, all right, but
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Speaker 2: when I'm not messing around, and we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 2: the NBA first, Why are we gonna talk about the NBA?
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Speaker 2: Because we're gonna talk about the worst general managers in
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Speaker 2: NBA history. How does that sound? Because golly knows, there
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Speaker 2: have been a lot of them through the years. And
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out there and lay it out there, Okay,
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Speaker 2: and that's it. She got Sam Ankle, Philadelphia seventy six
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Speaker 2: ers who was there from twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: You oversaw the process, Okay, Aaron led Philly to a
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Speaker 2: forty seven and one ninety five record across three season, Marky,
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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about Sam Ankle Sam Henky in
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Speaker 2: the process.
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Speaker 1: I am not an NBA guy. The only NBA general
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Speaker 1: manager I probably have known would be the owner Ted
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Speaker 1: Stepien of the of the Cleveland Cavaliers back in the day.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why I know him is because he
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Speaker 1: sued Pete Franklin, who was a great sports talk show
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Speaker 1: as the leading one of the time, unsuccessfully for defamation
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Speaker 1: and that probably was a victory for freedom of speech.
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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, the NBA is not my thing. I
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Speaker 1: haven't watched the game in thirty years, so let.
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Speaker 2: Me just keep it simple, stupid, Okay, that you're not
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Speaker 2: an NBA guy. I know that going forward a little bit.
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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say forty seven and one ninety five
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Speaker 2: is not a very good record, would you agree?
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Speaker 1: No? That sounds what that's uh, that's worse than the
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Speaker 1: sixty two Mets.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's good enough. So I caught you there,
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Speaker 2: didn't I you're brought in nineteen sixty two Mets into
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Speaker 2: the picture. Yeah, everybody knows about the process, Joel Embiid.
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Speaker 2: It is what it is. But you see, Marky, when
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Speaker 2: I get told you you know no more than you
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Speaker 2: think because I just have to keep you so you're
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Speaker 2: back into something like the nineteen sixty two Mets. I'll
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Speaker 2: accept that as an explanation. Toty, I know you like
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Speaker 2: talking basketball, so give me some thoughts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, the process never panned out. Uh, they got
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Speaker 3: Joe Ellen Embiid out of it, but how good was that?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: You got an MVP that might have been the best
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Speaker 3: thing that came out of the process. Ben Simmons came,
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Speaker 3: he took his money and ran. He basically stole money
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Speaker 3: from the Sixers. It shows that losing is never the
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Speaker 3: way to reach success in sports, no matter how they
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Speaker 3: try and spin it. Tanking isn't a way to do it.
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Speaker 3: And they did a lot of losing. I think they
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Speaker 3: had one year where they had the it was a
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Speaker 3: lockout year, but they had the lowest percentage of all
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Speaker 3: time when it comes to win percentage. But the Sixers
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Speaker 3: they pivoted from that, and it doesn't as an equal
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Speaker 3: success you know, Darren Morley is winning a little bit,
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Speaker 3: but as a GM, but I still have that second
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Speaker 3: round ceiling, so the process never panned out.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, Cliff, some thoughts about this.
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Speaker 4: For me, I'm like Marquee. Actually, I really have a
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Speaker 4: distinct for the National Basketball Association and I'm not into
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Speaker 4: college basketball either. Honestly, if I go hit around GM,
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Speaker 4: he sounds terrible. But I think about a BA at GM,
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Speaker 4: I have to only think of like Ernie Grunfeld. He
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Speaker 4: was the nixt GM, wasn't he for a little bit.
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Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can ever think of. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I really really don't like basketball, and I don't like
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Speaker 4: college basketball either, So yeah, he sounds hideous and terrible.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, the Mets were bad forty one hundred and
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Speaker 4: twenty and yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't think of a
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Speaker 4: better or worse record for a GM than what you
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Speaker 4: just told me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Candy.
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Speaker 5: So Hanky began his NBA career in two thousand and
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Speaker 5: five with the Houston Rockets, where he held the positions
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Speaker 5: of vice president executive vice presidents before joining Philadelphia. His
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Speaker 5: tenure with the seventh Fixers is noted for his strategy
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Speaker 5: to rebuild the trend the team by trading away the
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Speaker 5: most valuable players in exchange for high.
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Speaker 6: Picks in the NBA draft. As a result, Philadelphia.
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Speaker 5: Was accused of intentionally losing games, which eventually led to
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Speaker 5: Hanky resigning from his position. However, this strategy became popular
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Speaker 5: with the fans, who nicknamed it the Process, and is
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Speaker 5: credited with helping transform the seventy six Ers into postseason
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Speaker 5: contender after Hanky's departure. Hanky's tenure as GM of the
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Speaker 5: seventy six Ers drew polarizing reactions. Some viewed him as
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Speaker 5: uncommutative and too reliant on data analytics, while others viewed
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Speaker 5: him as a contrarian with a longer term view than
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Speaker 5: his peers. We all know that all of these professional
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Speaker 5: sports are now a win now program. All the coaches,
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Speaker 5: all the gms. It's all about winning now, not long term.
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Speaker 6: Oh let's look at five ten years.
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Speaker 5: No, No, you got to win now. So you got to
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Speaker 5: do what you can to win now, trading away your
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Speaker 5: most valuable players unless you can't afford them. That would
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Speaker 5: be the only reason to do that. Like, you got
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Speaker 5: to keep your valuable assets.
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Speaker 2: Well close as you said, you do some of Ernie Grunfeld.
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Speaker 2: Guess what, I'm gonna let you talk about him. How
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Speaker 2: does that sound a right?
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Speaker 4: I remember him a little bit back in the day. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I'm not a big Yeah, I remember he was on
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Speaker 4: the team. I think he was on the team as
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Speaker 4: a player, and then he was brought in as a
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Speaker 4: GM for some reason. I don't remember being all that great.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, that's my extent of Ernie Grunfeld. He was
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Speaker 4: like that that that player off the bench that people
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Speaker 4: would like cheer.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 4: He got in awesome and and then he became the
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Speaker 4: GM somehow, and he wasn't very good. And that's my
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Speaker 4: extent on Ernie Grunfeld. All right, I'm the big on
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Speaker 4: Erny Grenfield expert here. All right, that's that's the name
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Speaker 4: when I think of my GM.
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Speaker 2: Sole fill in the blanks here for your cliff. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's good enough for opinion here. I'll realize this group
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Speaker 2: isn't big on the NBA, at least in the first hour,
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Speaker 2: but I'll put it in the second hour. But for now,
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Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. We're not looking for algebra here.
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Speaker 2: We're just looking for a little opinion here and there.
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Speaker 2: But Ernie grunfeld time with the washing Tien Wizards goes
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Speaker 2: from twenty three to nineteen. He traded the number two
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Speaker 2: picks before Steph Curry. He traded the pick. Well, this
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Speaker 2: is interesting, this is really so. He traded the pick
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Speaker 2: two picks before Steph Curry for Mike Killer and Randy Foy,
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Speaker 2: and he had a four forty Winny percentage in sixteen season. So, okay, listen, Markie,
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Speaker 2: I know you're not big on basketball, but when you
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Speaker 2: go ahead.
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Speaker 1: And trade pro basketball, pro basketball. But as I watch
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Speaker 1: over East Tennessee State game, there is but pro basketball now, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, but it doesn't take a rock.
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Speaker 1: A guy makes it. You can get a guy made
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Speaker 1: the NBA since nineteen ninety one. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, go ahead, what's up?
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Speaker 2: All right? So here's the thing. It doesn't take a
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Speaker 2: rocket scientist to realize that he traded the pick two
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Speaker 2: picks before Steph Curry. That bad. You know, Steph Curry
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Speaker 2: is pretty.
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Speaker 1: Good, right, I've heard of the name. Yeah, he was
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Speaker 1: probably back in the Southern Conference. Unfortunately, by that that
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Speaker 1: was the sojourn that Etsu had in the Atlantic Sun Conference,
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Speaker 1: so he didn't get to see Steph and Johnson City.
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Speaker 1: But other than that, yeah, well, I'll.
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Speaker 2: Just say this, he's pretty good, right, Okay, And obviously
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Speaker 2: it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: In fact, John I. Marino, the former Southern Conference president,
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Speaker 1: we once had this conversation, we think Steph Curry is
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Speaker 1: the last true college basketball star.
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Speaker 2: Well did he play over at Davidson College and.
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Speaker 1: L exactly that was it? Yeah, took him to the
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Speaker 1: Elite Eight, and I think if Bob McKillop arranges a
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Speaker 1: play where he takes the last shot instead of his
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Speaker 1: second leading scorer, I couldn't even name. I think Davidson
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Speaker 1: might have won the national title that year if you
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Speaker 1: remember they lost the Elite Eight by one point on
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Speaker 1: the last shot to Kansas, who went on to win it.
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Speaker 2: There you go, okay, well, obviously you know that much
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Speaker 2: as Steph Curry is a heck of a player. For GM,
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Speaker 2: we could go ahead and by past Steph Curry two
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Speaker 2: picks before that, fat already, Tony, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Minnesota passed on Steph Curry twice and picked two point guards.
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Speaker 3: So it was a few mistakes made in the Steph
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Speaker 3: Curry draft. Minnesota went out their way and they picked
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Speaker 3: up Johnny Flynn and Mark Arrubio and Steph Curry was
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Speaker 3: still on the board. Mistakes were made, Okay, mistakes were made,
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Speaker 3: and with hindsight, I will say this is twenty twenty right.
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Speaker 3: We've never seen a player like Steph Curry in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: We didn't know if the shooting was gonna work. We
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Speaker 3: still were playing below the three point line. I'll give
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Speaker 3: GMS a pass on missing on Steph Curry because it
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Speaker 3: just was a different time. Now it's easy to say,
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Speaker 3: why wouldn't you take Steph Curry right? Because now he's
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Speaker 3: the Steph Curry we know In love.
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Speaker 5: Curry averaged twenty eight point six points, five point six
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Speaker 5: assists and two point five steals. He was the ncaaight
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Speaker 5: scoring champion and was named consensus First team All American.
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Speaker 5: How many times like, I mean, yes, I can understand
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Speaker 5: maybe you would hit on it. There's been definite busts
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Speaker 5: in a lot of We've always said the draft is,
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Speaker 5: you know, sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't. But unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: if you would have taken anybody above Steph Curry, I
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Speaker 5: you could be out of a job. I mean, let's
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Speaker 5: face it, Yes, Tony is right. Hindsight is twenty twenty,
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Speaker 5: I get it. I mean the Packers drafted Tony Manderits
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Speaker 5: way back when, and we all know what.
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Speaker 6: A uh lot that was. But yeah, so.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, two picks ahead of Steph Curry and he didn't
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Speaker 5: pick him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when a writer back in the day
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Speaker 1: suggesting that the Dallas Cowboys should draft Tony Manderich instead
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Speaker 1: of Troy Aikman because then they'd have somebody that could
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Speaker 1: block for herschel Walker and that would rebuild him. Didn't
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Speaker 1: exactly work out that way. Now, I'll just say this,
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Speaker 1: I think that passing on Steph Curry is akin to
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Speaker 1: in that era. I know I'm given too many historical references,
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Speaker 1: but taking Sam Bouie ahead of Michael Jordan, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Sam Bouie. And the only front
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Speaker 2: with Bowie was he couldn't stay healthy as well. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you want to talk about big time gas, about Joe Dumars,
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Speaker 2: when he took Darko Militant over Carmelo Anthony. That didn't
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Speaker 2: help Joe. He finally got a new GM job with
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Speaker 2: New Orleans. Ever since that gas was made. Other than
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Speaker 2: what he's done with the Pistons, that wasn't too good either.
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Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, you don't what those are, historic
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Speaker 2: gases what they are.
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Speaker 4: But the NBA only has two rounds. Now, it's a
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Speaker 4: two round draft. How can it be? Come on, it's
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Speaker 4: two round You don't have like five, six, seven round drafts.
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Speaker 2: It's two rounds and that's true.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know I won't bury you guys with too
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Speaker 2: much of this stuff. So here's what I'm gonna do.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put the things out because I wanted to
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Speaker 2: address the GMS and maybe in your neck of the
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Speaker 2: woods they might actually become a little bit more about
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Speaker 2: Billy King of the Brooklyn Nets. Twenty twelve to twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: They traded draft picks that became Damian Lillard, Jason Tatum,
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Speaker 2: and Jalen Brown for old veterans. Okay, let's let's not
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Speaker 2: forget about the for the NBA itself. But when you
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Speaker 2: go up there and trade players like this, Okay, ultimately,
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Speaker 2: again I reference traded draft picks that became these type
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Speaker 2: of players. Let's just keep the general context of it, Cliff, Okay,
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Speaker 2: they become This is not a good look for any particular.
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Speaker 5: Is that?
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Speaker 2: Especially when like that?
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Speaker 4: Well no, but I'm like, what do you know? I mean,
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I've already told you I don't like
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Speaker 4: the NBA, and it just angers me. It's like two rounds,
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Speaker 4: How can you like bust on that? I mean, I
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Speaker 4: know they have smaller rosters and in comparison to the
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Speaker 4: other sports, and but still, uh, yes, it's it's I'm
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Speaker 4: not going to watch him anyway, so it doesn't really
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Speaker 4: bother me.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna have. How many rounds do you
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Speaker 1: think they should have? I would say with a smaller
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Speaker 1: roster to two rounds is uh is pretty good. I
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Speaker 1: mean there's the there's always the argument against the draft.
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Speaker 1: You know, the player cannot decide where he wants to play,
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Speaker 1: where he thinks he fits in best and such. And
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Speaker 1: I understand why you have a draft, don't get me wrong,
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Speaker 1: but you know, to have more freedom where a player
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Speaker 1: that would probably be you know, at best to sixth
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Speaker 1: the man if you could make the NBA can choose
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Speaker 1: his spot. Uh sounds to me to be you know
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Speaker 1: very well. It's very pro player, which the NBA always
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Speaker 1: has been. So I mean, do you do you think
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Speaker 1: three runs? I think that back in the day when
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Speaker 1: they had twelve that was ridiculous.
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Speaker 4: Right, Oh, yeah, twelve is way too big. Yeah, go
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Speaker 4: with four. And then you have like they have the
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Speaker 4: G League, they have their minor league. I mean, so
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Speaker 4: maybe they won't have as many free agents, you know,
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Speaker 4: out there doing it, and you have a couple of
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Speaker 4: extra guys that are actually under contract, you know, you know,
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Speaker 4: quote unquote, you know, under their control kind of thing.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's it's if maybe four. Yeah, twelve
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Speaker 4: is silly.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, twelve's way too much.
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Speaker 2: I will go ahead, Tony, So let's talk about Kane.
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Speaker 2: What I'm gonna do for the rest of this segment
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Speaker 2: is I'll defer only because I got other topics that
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Speaker 2: are more important to get to and I don't want
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Speaker 2: Marky and Clip the I feel uncomfortable about this one
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Speaker 2: unless they feel like they want to incorporate. Is that
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Speaker 2: fair enough? Okay, But give me your assessment on Billy
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Speaker 2: King of what happened over there, Tony.
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Speaker 1: And that's I'm sorry, Billy King.
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Speaker 6: That was the Nets.
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Speaker 2: It's just hard.
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Speaker 3: You never know with those trades and drafts, right because
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Speaker 3: what one team needs opposed to what the Nets need
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Speaker 3: at the time made it be different, you know, in
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Speaker 3: draft picks. They pan out so far down the line.
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Speaker 3: You don't know what these players like. Once again, you
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Speaker 3: bring up Damon Lillard. Yeah, he had success, but he
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Speaker 3: went to Weaver State, a small school. Yes, he showed
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Speaker 3: he can play well against Duke and in these situations, but
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Speaker 3: you just never really know. And sometimes you gotta take
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Speaker 3: the I know I'm switching sports. You gotta take the
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Speaker 3: approach of like the Los Angeles Rams in football. I'd
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Speaker 3: rather take known commodities right now than guessing later on
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Speaker 3: the draft.
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Speaker 1: So it's it looks good, it's like going.
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Speaker 3: Once again, I'm using a different sport, but it's like
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Speaker 3: going forward on fourth down right when you get it.
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Speaker 3: When you get you look like a genius. But if
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Speaker 3: you fail on fourth down, you're the goat. And that's
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Speaker 3: just kind of that's the gamble you gotta take when
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Speaker 3: it's draft picks.
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Speaker 2: Candy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: In twenty thirteen, King traded multiple unprotected first round picks fourteen, sixteen,
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Speaker 5: eighteen and swap writes twenty seventeen to the Boston Celtics
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Speaker 5: for aging stars Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Jason Terry.
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Speaker 5: These picks became Derek favors Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.
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Speaker 5: Obviously we know what the old Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce
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Speaker 5: and how much of an influence they were, but they
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Speaker 5: were aging. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum are two big
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Speaker 5: stars for Boston right now. Obviously, Jason Tatum is coming
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Speaker 5: off injury, but he is back on the floor and
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Speaker 5: he is an elite player.
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Speaker 6: I would say, so, Okay.
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Speaker 2: What we're gonna do now is stay on basketball in general.
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Speaker 2: And that's all I'm gonna say, basketball in general. To
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Speaker 2: Shay gilt Gil Alexander actually had eighty street points eighty
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Speaker 2: games with twenty plus points, the third longest in NBA history,
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Speaker 2: passing Oscar Robinson. Okay, let's just talk about twenty plus points. Okay,
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Speaker 2: the longest in NBA history. Twenty points a game is
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Speaker 2: quite a feat, isn't it, Cliff?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean twenty five. If you can consistently
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Speaker 4: get twenty points a game, yeah, yeah, it's outstanding. You know,
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Speaker 4: every given night, you never know what's gonna happen. Heck,
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Speaker 4: you mean, you can get banged up, can get hurt
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Speaker 4: and miss some time to be able to be out
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Speaker 4: there just from a stamina standpoints. Yeah, it's then to
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Speaker 4: be able to be trust did that much all the time,
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Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, So it's yeah, it's a tip the
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Speaker 4: hat to you know, tip your cap to the guy.
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Speaker 4: So nice work, Marky.
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Speaker 1: I I really, I guess I'm sorry back pro basketball.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Forget about pro basketball all ask you to do his
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Speaker 2: comment in this situation, Marky, twenty games with twenty plus points,
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Speaker 2: forget about what level?
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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, that sounds like a good streak.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just keep it there, Okay, Yeah, Tony.
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Speaker 3: It's man, it's it's great even in this this day
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Speaker 3: and age or scoring is up, uh to have the
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Speaker 3: availability to be the focal point of an offense like
19:52
Speaker 3: SGA is. You know, like they know that he is
19:55
Speaker 3: the tip of the spear, right the head of the snake.
19:57
Speaker 3: So he's going to see double teams, he's going to
19:59
Speaker 3: see different cover just and to still find a way
20:01
Speaker 3: to get twenty points is pretty good for him. And
20:04
Speaker 3: they're a good team, right, So like it's nice that
20:06
Speaker 3: he other guys can go off, but he still finds
20:09
Speaker 3: a way in the flow of their offense to get points.
20:12
Speaker 3: Motto up consistency right now when it comes to being
20:14
Speaker 3: a guard again getting buckets Candy.
20:21
Speaker 5: Wilt Chamberlain has some NBA records that might never touched,
20:27
Speaker 5: like a hundred point game, four thousand points in the season,
20:31
Speaker 5: fifty point game scoring average, and yet SGA has now
20:37
Speaker 5: done just that. Match Chamberlain's NBA record of one hundred
20:41
Speaker 5: and twenty six consecutive regular seasons games of twenty or more.
20:46
Speaker 2: So got the number, So the numbers obviously increased. So
20:49
Speaker 2: what's the updated number.
20:51
Speaker 5: It's one hundred and twenty six right now. He has
20:54
Speaker 5: a chance on Thursday night to increase go up more.
20:58
Speaker 2: So my number was then. But now that I only
21:00
Speaker 2: added to the legacy of doing it great stuff, CAN'TY
21:03
Speaker 2: keep going?
21:04
Speaker 5: One of the things I will say I wanted to
21:07
Speaker 5: add to it. One of the Thunders record during SGA's
21:12
Speaker 5: streak is one hundred and two and twenty four. The
21:17
Speaker 5: Warriors record during Chamberlain's streak was only.
21:21
Speaker 6: Sixty six and sixty Oh.
21:24
Speaker 5: Yes, that's really surprised me, like I was. Chamberlain's highest
21:30
Speaker 5: scoring game during his streak was the NBA record of
21:33
Speaker 5: one hundred point outburst that happened on March second.
21:37
Speaker 6: Of nineteen sixty two.
21:40
Speaker 5: SGA's highest scoring games during the streak is fifty five
21:44
Speaker 5: points against Indiana on October twenty third, So just kind
21:50
Speaker 5: of amazing. And SGA has has two games with exactly
21:59
Speaker 5: the twenty points that he needed during this streak, so
22:04
Speaker 5: just kind of interesting to see. SGA's average points during
22:08
Speaker 5: that streak was thirty two point five. Chamberlain was forty
22:12
Speaker 5: nine point two. So just interesting that a streak of
22:17
Speaker 5: Wilt Chamberlain for as long as it was is still
22:21
Speaker 5: intact considering you've had how many different scorers in the
22:25
Speaker 5: league with you know, I mean, let's say Michael, Jordan, Lebron.
22:30
Speaker 6: Kobe all Steph.
22:31
Speaker 5: All of these guys haven't hit some of these numbers
22:37
Speaker 5: like you know Will did.
22:39
Speaker 2: All right, So what I'm gonna do my source for
22:42
Speaker 2: the worst gems, I'm just gonna read off the stats
22:44
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get to tell other stuff. Completing
22:47
Speaker 2: that list. On Athlan Sports, Rob Babcock of the Toronto
22:50
Speaker 2: Rappers two thousand and four to six, he traded superstar
22:52
Speaker 2: Vince Carter and an under mining in an undermining package.
22:57
Speaker 2: You went forty seven and seventy eight into this as
23:00
Speaker 2: a GM other lot of d bots obviously was awful
23:04
Speaker 2: with a Sacramento Kings twenty fourteen. I'm just reading it.
23:07
Speaker 2: Nobody had to comment. Okay, well, so don't worry. Okay,
23:10
Speaker 2: it's information one oh one before we get to the other.
23:13
Speaker 2: So so relax. Where I got plenty of other stuff. Cliff,
23:16
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a field day on Lati d box
23:19
Speaker 2: Sacramento Kings twenty fourteen to twenty. He drafted Marvin Bagley
23:24
Speaker 2: the third over Luca Dodges, led the Kings to a
23:27
Speaker 2: four roh two winning percentage of six seasons. It doesn't
23:30
Speaker 2: have to You don't have to tell you four O
23:32
Speaker 2: two isn't very good. Alison Baylor was awful too. Everybody's
23:35
Speaker 2: third am the LA Clippers from nineteen eighty six two
23:39
Speaker 2: thousand and eight one month playoff series at twenty two
23:41
Speaker 2: seasons at GM. Finished career was a three forty nine
23:45
Speaker 2: winning percentage as GM as well. And that's that. So
23:48
Speaker 2: with that said, we move on to the next topic.
23:50
Speaker 2: I just wanted to put that fy i out there,
23:52
Speaker 2: unless Tony wants to add to any of those three
23:54
Speaker 2: really quick.
23:56
Speaker 3: Uh hey man, look at Marvin Bagley.
24:02
Speaker 2: That got it.
24:03
Speaker 3: That gotta be terrible. He's almost out of the league
24:05
Speaker 3: and you drafted him. I head of Luka doncs. That
24:08
Speaker 3: is that's hard. That's hard to even fathom.
24:11
Speaker 2: That's all, okay, Candy, real quick, and then we got
24:15
Speaker 2: other stuff outside of basketball. I have one other basketball
24:18
Speaker 2: Topic's gonna wait for Tom Shanahan next week, so we're
24:21
Speaker 2: gonna move on to other stuff.
24:22
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Candy, No, I mean I agree. I can't.
24:25
Speaker 5: I mean, those are all bad moves, like I can't imagine,
24:29
Speaker 5: you know, taking somebody above Luca. But I'm gonna quick comment.
24:34
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put Earl's comments. First of all, good evening, Earl. Second,
24:39
Speaker 5: twenty points in today's NBA is easy NBA. There's no defense.
24:43
Speaker 5: The NBA flopped soccer. Today's NBA is a joke. That's
24:48
Speaker 5: why I didn't want it anymore. So thanks for commenting
24:51
Speaker 5: being in the chet room there, Earl. Appreciate you.
24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, Earls are friends of the show. Anyways, all right,
24:57
Speaker 2: let's get on other stuff here, and let's go to
24:59
Speaker 2: David Ortiz. I think everybody can be comfortable about.
25:02
Speaker 1: The big poppy, right marky okay him?
25:07
Speaker 2: David Ortiz? Al right, Well, what's up here, So it's
25:10
Speaker 2: up okay, since David Ortiz has been busy with the WBC.
25:15
Speaker 2: On December sixteen, two thousand and two, the Minnesota Twins
25:19
Speaker 2: released David Ortiz aka the Big Poppy. At the time
25:23
Speaker 2: though of his release, get desks, I think the Twins
25:26
Speaker 2: definitely regret this decision. Martez had just finished the two
25:31
Speaker 2: thousand and two season with a solid two seventy two
25:34
Speaker 2: average twenty home run seventy five reverbi, yet the Twins
25:38
Speaker 2: decided not to retain him. Team Twins ZM Terry Ryan
25:42
Speaker 2: admitted it was a mistake marking your thoughts about the
25:45
Speaker 2: cursal the Big Poppy.
25:48
Speaker 1: The Big Poppy, I mean from twenty seventeen and all this.
25:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just say this about Big Poppy. My
25:54
Speaker 1: thought here is, I mean, my first thought is him
25:59
Speaker 1: driving in the winning run in Game four of the
26:02
Speaker 1: two thousand and four ALCS, which really changed the It
26:07
Speaker 1: began to change the perception of the Boston Red Sox franchise.
26:11
Speaker 1: In that sense, absolutely, the man deserves to be in
26:16
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. What I think, though, is when
26:20
Speaker 1: you look at the steroid allegations and even I think
26:24
Speaker 1: not being quite the complete player, just being an DH.
26:27
Speaker 1: If you're going to put him in, I think that
26:30
Speaker 1: you have to then open up the hall to all
26:34
Speaker 1: the other guys who they had the whispers on the bonds,
26:37
Speaker 1: the palm arrows, the Soays, the Maguires and all that.
26:41
Speaker 1: My goodness, I mean, rob Manfred just reinstated all of
26:45
Speaker 1: the black socks last year. You know by this time,
26:50
Speaker 1: I mean, and I hate to say this because you're
26:52
Speaker 1: almost sending a message of cheating is okay. But that's
26:57
Speaker 1: that's sort of the thought when I think a big Poppy.
27:02
Speaker 3: Tony, Uh yeah, big Bobby getting cut. Look, man, sometimes
27:09
Speaker 3: you need that. Sometimes the change the scenery is best
27:11
Speaker 3: in all sports. We've seen this across any sport that
27:14
Speaker 3: you watch. Right, it might not be working where you're at,
27:16
Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily because you're not a good player.
27:19
Speaker 1: He might just need some fresh air.
27:21
Speaker 3: You might need that motivation of actually being cut to
27:24
Speaker 3: humble you and be like, I gotta get to work now.
27:27
Speaker 1: Did he get the work playing defense?
27:29
Speaker 3: No he didn't, but he definitely uh, he definitely used
27:33
Speaker 3: that back to upset me as a Yankees fan as
27:36
Speaker 3: many chances as he can get, so now I.
27:39
Speaker 1: Think I don't like Minnesota.
27:40
Speaker 2: Thanks Gott Why I hate to say this. I love Minnesota.
27:44
Speaker 2: You know what, they take good Turvians, free trainer, got
27:47
Speaker 2: a love my twins. I'm gonna talk to this team, man,
27:50
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I got accomplished over the weekend.
27:52
Speaker 2: I got an opportunity to talk to Tody Clemens and Eric
27:56
Speaker 2: wager Man, and I'm working on more projects. Gotta love
27:58
Speaker 2: those swims, man. They treat that was really good. Okay,
28:02
Speaker 2: all right, Cliff, were your thoughts about the pop Big Poppy?
28:05
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, they did him a favor, and
28:09
Speaker 4: who's to say he would have if they would have stayed,
28:11
Speaker 4: he would have been a Hall of Famer. He was solid,
28:14
Speaker 4: but I mean part of you know, he probably I mean,
28:17
Speaker 4: you got put into Boston. He had some really good
28:19
Speaker 4: lineups there and you know they they they were going
28:23
Speaker 4: for the you know, trying to break that curse. So
28:26
Speaker 4: who's to say that he would have gotten into the
28:27
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame if he never left Minnesota, or he
28:30
Speaker 4: would have even let let led them to anything. You know,
28:34
Speaker 4: you wouldn't have had the you know, have never had
28:36
Speaker 4: Big Poppy. As we know, Big poppy because he did
28:40
Speaker 4: go to Boston and everything just kind of worked out
28:42
Speaker 4: for him. So it's you know, it's I'm fine with him.
28:47
Speaker 4: And as as as with uh what Mark he was
28:50
Speaker 4: talking about, Hey, I've been calling for uh those other guys,
28:53
Speaker 4: the steroid guys too. It's time to let him in. Well,
28:57
Speaker 4: my thing is let them in after and uh shoeless
29:02
Speaker 4: Joe Jackson and then find a find find out like
29:05
Speaker 4: a year where there's not a good like ballot kind
29:10
Speaker 4: of thing. There's like no real slam dunks. And it's
29:12
Speaker 4: like if they if the Hall of Fame players don't
29:14
Speaker 4: want to go to that thing because they're pissed off
29:17
Speaker 4: with the with the uh with the steroid guys going,
29:20
Speaker 4: and then you don't have to come that year. But
29:23
Speaker 4: do something if you want put on the put on
29:24
Speaker 4: their like their their plate or you know they're there
29:28
Speaker 4: there there their plaque. Sure, but I mean it's silly
29:32
Speaker 4: that Clemens and and and Bonds and McGuire and Sosa
29:36
Speaker 4: and Paul Marrow and all those guys. I'm like, yeah,
29:39
Speaker 4: I get it they did other stuff with the steroids.
29:41
Speaker 4: I'm not thrilled about it either, but the baseball didn't
29:45
Speaker 4: care when it was you know, they were trying to
29:47
Speaker 4: come back to get those ratings back and stuff.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's killing I think the game when you have the
29:53
Speaker 1: all time home run leader and the all time hit
29:55
Speaker 1: leaders can't make the Hall of Fame, When the third
29:58
Speaker 1: highest batting average can't make the Hall of Fame, When
30:00
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens in his twenty strikeout game and his three
30:05
Speaker 1: hundred victories can't make the Hall of Fame. When you see,
30:08
Speaker 1: you know how many of the guys the leading home
30:10
Speaker 1: run totals maguire so so of course the aforementioned bonds,
30:15
Speaker 1: they can't be in the Hall of Fame and all
30:16
Speaker 1: this This is, yes, I get it, but in term
30:21
Speaker 1: of why they're not. And I also understand the old
30:24
Speaker 1: guard saying, look, you know we didn't do this. But
30:29
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, you're killing the game
30:32
Speaker 1: when you say, all these great players, well we've got
30:36
Speaker 1: to put them down. And I again, I hate it
30:40
Speaker 1: in the sense of it really does sort of legitimize
30:44
Speaker 1: Oh okay, it's okay to cheat, you know, I mean,
30:47
Speaker 1: I hate it in that sense, but you know, think
30:50
Speaker 1: about imagine Canton without the NFL's leading rusher and leading
30:56
Speaker 1: passer imagine Springfield with that, uh, the leading tour and
31:01
Speaker 1: the leading rebounder. You know, this is what baseball is
31:06
Speaker 1: is right now in Hall of Fame and its legacy
31:08
Speaker 1: and it's uh. And of course baseball always had the
31:12
Speaker 1: connection with its pat where you could talk about paid
31:15
Speaker 1: ruth with or someone even before that, with a contemporary
31:18
Speaker 1: player and it was accepted. And now you know, we're
31:24
Speaker 1: literally destroying that. So these are some things that you
31:28
Speaker 1: have to think about and all this And as I said,
31:30
Speaker 1: if Ortiz gets in with the scuttle but about him,
31:34
Speaker 1: doesn't that then open the velvet rope up to everyone
31:39
Speaker 1: else I.
31:40
Speaker 2: Saw Marky let me add to this. Okay, from it,
31:44
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but now you've really touched a nerve here
31:47
Speaker 2: with me. Number One, David Ortiz got along with the media.
31:51
Speaker 2: Very Bonds tak get along with his own darn shadow.
31:54
Speaker 2: This guy he treated the media. Well, wait, hear me
31:57
Speaker 2: out before you. I love when Mark Sai barking. Then
32:01
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful thing here, Okay. And I'll tell you
32:04
Speaker 2: very Bond didn't get along with the media. If you
32:06
Speaker 2: ever talked to him, Okay, one day, he'll probably tell you.
32:09
Speaker 2: I wish it would have teated you guys a little
32:10
Speaker 2: bit better, because here's the thing. You know, these reporters
32:16
Speaker 2: are relentless. They are they're they're controlling what he's gonna do.
32:20
Speaker 2: Where David Ortiz worked the angles pretty good, he comes
32:24
Speaker 2: across as the old sweet big bopy and you know,
32:27
Speaker 2: we could call Bonds a big fill in the blank,
32:30
Speaker 2: that's what dav you know what I mean, and very bloom.
32:33
Speaker 2: Just so you guys know, there's a prominent writer who's
32:36
Speaker 2: one of my close friends, and he's a voter. I've
32:39
Speaker 2: had him on my show a few times, even in Metts.
32:43
Speaker 2: You know to me that he agrees that he belongs
32:46
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. But at some point you
32:47
Speaker 2: can't take the media like second class citizens. You can't
32:51
Speaker 2: because don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's all
32:54
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Yeah, but you're right. Okay, does Roger
32:57
Speaker 2: Clements belong? And yes, does Pete Rose belong? And yeah
33:00
Speaker 2: it's all time hit leader. Okay, Babe Ruth and all
33:03
Speaker 2: we've talked about him, Barry Bond, Well, judging by those numbers,
33:06
Speaker 2: he does. But what draws the line, Okay, don't bite
33:10
Speaker 2: the hand at Fijo. You know there's a Hall of Fame.
33:13
Speaker 2: We can't lose sight of the perspective that it's an
33:16
Speaker 2: absolute museum. Is what it is, a baseball history, and
33:19
Speaker 2: that's where every one of you guys are on point.
33:22
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just I also think that we've gotten
33:25
Speaker 1: the case that they're not putting in these guys with
33:28
Speaker 1: the great statistics. You know, it opens up the avenue
33:33
Speaker 1: for Scott Rowland, for Harold Baines, right, for people like
33:37
Speaker 1: that who probably would not have made for you know,
33:42
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner, great relief pitcher, but when he first started
33:45
Speaker 1: on the ballot, he was getting fifteen percent. By the time,
33:49
Speaker 1: you know, when you're saying, well, I mean, who's on
33:51
Speaker 1: the ballot, I can vote for this guy or not,
33:54
Speaker 1: you're right in the sense of character is a It
34:00
Speaker 1: literally is a factor and something they asked you to
34:02
Speaker 1: consider when voting on the Hall of Fame. And I
34:06
Speaker 1: think there are several Hall of famers who are in
34:08
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because they were popular. David Ortiz
34:12
Speaker 1: perhaps one of them. But if that's the case, again,
34:17
Speaker 1: I just think the velvet rope is going to be
34:21
Speaker 1: opened up. And certainly there were Steve Carlton wouldn't talk
34:24
Speaker 1: to the press. He's in, you know.
34:27
Speaker 5: I mean.
34:29
Speaker 1: There have been people who have been prickly with the
34:31
Speaker 1: press who are in. And I'll also just say this
34:35
Speaker 1: in defense of Barry Bonds, and a lot of the
34:37
Speaker 1: stuff you Bonds did as a person can't be defended.
34:41
Speaker 1: But I just want you to understand this. Paul Meyer,
34:43
Speaker 1: who's the beat writer of the Pittsburgh Pirates when Bonds
34:47
Speaker 1: came up with the Buckos in nineteen eighty six eighty seven,
34:51
Speaker 1: that era. You try getting along with Paul Meyer, really,
34:55
Speaker 1: I mean it was burned out by the time he
34:59
Speaker 1: got the It'sburg from Dayton, Ohio. And you know, I
35:03
Speaker 1: mean any public conversation he ever had was more difficult
35:08
Speaker 1: than Bonds ever was.
35:12
Speaker 2: You're a pittfordh guy. That's good. I'm glad we got Bonds.
35:16
Speaker 1: I get that. But no, I mean I also worked
35:18
Speaker 1: at the same paper with Paul Meyer. Okay, And I
35:21
Speaker 1: know that I'm making some news here and all this,
35:23
Speaker 1: but we're talking about just the most crusty reporters of
35:27
Speaker 1: the time. Now. Admittedly, I mean, you know, I don't
35:31
Speaker 1: know that Bonds was, you know, an angel in San Francisco,
35:35
Speaker 1: and certainly the Bonds family always had that reputation of
35:39
Speaker 1: being difficult to get along with, both his father and
35:43
Speaker 1: the son. I get it, okay, I really do. But
35:46
Speaker 1: you're having a situation. I just you know, being around
35:51
Speaker 1: that environment and not all of those reports. You know,
35:55
Speaker 1: he didn't go along with reporters. Again, you tried getting
35:57
Speaker 1: along with Paul Meyer. Serious, if anybody is the archives
36:03
Speaker 1: of the Sunday talk show that he used to do
36:06
Speaker 1: with Greg Brown, where he obviously did not want to
36:09
Speaker 1: be there before Pirates games, you know, in a previous era.
36:14
Speaker 1: Listen that you try getting along with this guy, You
36:17
Speaker 1: see what he's gonna have. Barry Bonds wrote a column
36:20
Speaker 1: during the nineteen ninety playoffs in the Pittsburgh Press. It
36:24
Speaker 1: was probably better than what a lot of the guys
36:28
Speaker 1: who were doing it professionally were doing.
36:33
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let man, I want to tell you something else,
36:36
Speaker 2: Marky Okay, let's not kill ourselves. Barry Bonds is a
36:40
Speaker 2: better player Safferson in Pittsburgh that he was in as
36:44
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned San Francisco. For one reason, he
36:48
Speaker 2: could steal faces, and he can head home runs. Don't
36:51
Speaker 2: sit here and tell me, okay that when he went
36:53
Speaker 2: to San Francisco that all that guy did was choose up.
36:56
Speaker 2: And because I had an opportunity to talk to this
36:59
Speaker 2: guy to Prescott friends when the Marlins ended up beating
37:02
Speaker 2: the Giant down here to win the World Series, and
37:04
Speaker 2: I turned it down because I want to go to
37:07
Speaker 2: Marlins clubhouse and get salked with Champagne. This idiot, Well,
37:11
Speaker 2: I'm just tearing out Marky okay, because you're the one
37:14
Speaker 2: who brought Barry Bonce up. Now I'm gonna get my
37:16
Speaker 2: two cents in here. Now you've got me going. Thank you.
37:19
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Okay. Don't know no if about basketball,
37:22
Speaker 2: but I know where it's hot.
37:23
Speaker 6: Buttons turned out.
37:24
Speaker 2: Okay, But yeah, I think Bonds is a better player
37:28
Speaker 2: overall player in Pittsford than he was in San Francisco.
37:32
Speaker 2: We all know he took he had steroids and Victor
37:36
Speaker 2: Conte and Balco. That was bad because the problem is
37:39
Speaker 2: that personality is what it is. There's one thing. But
37:42
Speaker 2: she got us still. But Poppy got in because he
37:45
Speaker 2: treated the guys that voted for these players, and he
37:49
Speaker 2: treated them with respect and let's not care some respects.
37:53
Speaker 2: The name of the game. Whether you're guilty or not,
37:56
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But don't go out there and fight.
37:58
Speaker 2: And I will tell you you talked the Fonds these days,
38:00
Speaker 2: how much you want to bet marky okay that he'd
38:03
Speaker 2: probably tell you, Yeah, I wish I would have treave
38:05
Speaker 2: you a little better. And I'll even taking a step further.
38:08
Speaker 2: And one of my great friends, Don manically he said
38:10
Speaker 2: he could get along with him either, and he got
38:13
Speaker 2: rid of him after a year.
38:15
Speaker 1: I mean, there are stories of Bonds trying to uh
38:19
Speaker 1: pick on Willie Stargel when Stargell was a Braves coach
38:22
Speaker 1: and he came back to Pittsburgh and Stargell basically put
38:25
Speaker 1: him in his place and said, you're never going to
38:27
Speaker 1: talk to me like this before, or the way you
38:30
Speaker 1: talked to me before. And I think the Bonds family,
38:33
Speaker 1: which is you know, baseball royalty, whether you like it
38:36
Speaker 1: or not, it was like, wait a minute, you don't
38:38
Speaker 1: you know you're wearing Willie May's number because that's your godfather.
38:43
Speaker 1: You do not knock another, you know, great player like that,
38:47
Speaker 1: You do not speak down to greatness and all that.
38:51
Speaker 1: I think that that message came true, loud and clear,
38:53
Speaker 1: and I you know, I always wondered what would have
38:56
Speaker 1: happened if, you know, Stargell, who was such a great
38:59
Speaker 1: leader the Pirates back when, if he was still say
39:02
Speaker 1: as the manager, say, in the organization somehow, if that
39:07
Speaker 1: could have been the guidance that made bonds, you know,
39:11
Speaker 1: changed the perception on bonds. That's I've always wondered that.
39:17
Speaker 1: So but like it gets back to like you said
39:20
Speaker 1: with Ortiz. You know, character is one of the things
39:25
Speaker 1: they vote on. And I think that we, you know,
39:27
Speaker 1: discussed that people liked David Ortiz. They liked back in
39:31
Speaker 1: the day, Rabbit Moranville. Why is he in Cooperstown with
39:34
Speaker 1: a two fifty eight lifetime batting average. He was a
39:37
Speaker 1: character that the sports writers back then fell in love with.
39:41
Speaker 1: You know, that's ten of the way it goes. Sometimes
39:44
Speaker 1: when that's a legitimate character is one of the things
39:48
Speaker 1: you're supposed to consider for enshinement, and that hurts bonds
39:51
Speaker 1: and helps Ortiz.
39:53
Speaker 2: Okay, Candy, your final word. I want to make sure
39:55
Speaker 2: we get one topic in well Mark he's on and
39:57
Speaker 2: this was obviously our feature topic, and we'll go from there.
40:01
Speaker 5: Ortiz was ten time All Star, seven times Silver Slugger Award.
40:09
Speaker 5: He Upon his retirement, he was ranked six in the
40:13
Speaker 5: American League history with five hundred and forty one home runs,
40:17
Speaker 5: fifth in doubles with six hundred and thirty two, ninth
40:20
Speaker 5: in ribbies. He's regarded as one of the greatest clutch
40:24
Speaker 5: hitters of all time. He had eleven career walk.
40:28
Speaker 6: Off home runs during the regular season.
40:31
Speaker 5: And two during the twenty four postseason, first of which
40:36
Speaker 5: clinched the American League Division Series. He also posted ten
40:42
Speaker 5: seasons each with thirty home runs, one hundred ribbies, and
40:48
Speaker 5: batted three hundred or better seven different years.
40:53
Speaker 6: Pretty strong, DH.
40:55
Speaker 2: So, I got the facts. You obviously want to talk
40:58
Speaker 2: about it. Give me your opinion on Poppy.
41:02
Speaker 5: I said, pretty strong clutch hitter that I would take.
41:05
Speaker 2: Okay, that's gonna I appreciate it. Yeah, he's a clutch hitter.
41:08
Speaker 2: I mean, let's faint, said the guy helped engineer. I
41:11
Speaker 2: think at one point what the Yankees was three to nothing,
41:13
Speaker 2: else sudden the Red Sox came back in one, four
41:15
Speaker 2: to three. Now that's clutch. So obviously, big Poppy, I
41:19
Speaker 2: understand you know that he's a clutch hitter. I mean,
41:22
Speaker 2: that's why he is what it is. That's why he
41:24
Speaker 2: made the whole of fame and mark. He admitted the
41:26
Speaker 2: guy had great character in that and popularity has a
41:29
Speaker 2: lot to do with them. Voting as well, popularity, character,
41:32
Speaker 2: it all goes hand. And in feature topic of the night,
41:35
Speaker 2: everybody get a word in on this one. Tony you good? Yeah, unfortunately,
41:41
Speaker 2: Cliff did you?
41:43
Speaker 4: Yeah? I just one thing for the future topic. I
41:46
Speaker 4: think you're really passionate about this, about how the reporters
41:51
Speaker 4: have an impact. I think your little cavalier with that.
41:55
Speaker 4: I think that's your your thing. I know you're passionate
41:57
Speaker 4: about that, But for a future debate, I think we
42:00
Speaker 4: should do talk about that. Why should you have so much?
42:04
Speaker 4: Why should your Why should your opinion matter that much?
42:07
Speaker 4: If the guy can just play? Yeah, some of these
42:10
Speaker 4: guys jerks, Oh yeah, absolutely, I'm not. I am not
42:14
Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form excusing that they have
42:17
Speaker 4: the opportunity to play baseball. But I think that's a
42:21
Speaker 4: future topic. Think should should it be that much of
42:25
Speaker 4: an impact? If they're awesome players, That's all I'm saying.
42:28
Speaker 4: For a future topic in the future show.
42:30
Speaker 2: You know what, I think. I think it's something you
42:31
Speaker 2: need to text me through messenger. Okay, I'll add it
42:35
Speaker 2: next week.
42:36
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, and we're gonna go. We're gonna go at it.
42:39
Speaker 4: We're gonna go out with that. Let's go in it.
42:41
Speaker 2: I can listen. I can go three or fourth topics
42:44
Speaker 2: in a show and go in it.
42:45
Speaker 4: I can go for this, all right, So good, I'm
42:48
Speaker 4: looking forward to it.
42:49
Speaker 2: Well, good Neil, you and Wilson. Of the two, I'm
42:53
Speaker 2: building a dark show around and total. He's a staple.
42:56
Speaker 2: He can handle anything, all right. So that said, we
42:58
Speaker 2: probably only have root for one more topic. Anyway, Well,
43:01
Speaker 2: we've got to get this one in, so we're gonna
43:03
Speaker 2: do it. Former NFL defensive lineman Kevin Johnson will stab
43:06
Speaker 2: the death at an LA homeless encampment. His cause of
43:10
Speaker 2: death has been ruled a homicide. He played for the
43:12
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles and Open Raiders in the nineteen eighties. Let's
43:16
Speaker 2: cakese that left after the NFL could be deadly. Some
43:19
Speaker 2: thoughts about what took place with unfortunately Kevin Johnson. Kevin Johnson, cliff.
43:26
Speaker 4: Man, that's that's that's tough. That's really rough. You know.
43:30
Speaker 4: They they spend all their entire lives playing the game,
43:33
Speaker 4: getting to that level, and then when it's over, there's
43:37
Speaker 4: too many stories of you know, either you know, injuries
43:42
Speaker 4: and other things that just don't go wrong. And now
43:45
Speaker 4: it for a story like that to be at the top,
43:50
Speaker 4: to the top level and then to wind up being there,
43:53
Speaker 4: and that's the way you end it's there's there needs
43:55
Speaker 4: to be if there needs to be some sort of
43:58
Speaker 4: like check in on all these players. I know they
44:01
Speaker 4: they have some programs and stuff, but they really should
44:04
Speaker 4: if you're in the league, they should have some sort
44:06
Speaker 4: of like, uh program to make sure these guys are okay,
44:11
Speaker 4: you know kind of thing. So it's yeah, that's that's
44:13
Speaker 4: that's a very sad story there, Markey.
44:17
Speaker 1: Uh, you're very sad, is to say the least. I
44:20
Speaker 1: just want this. I I know this. I mean, if
44:22
Speaker 1: you're in the media, let's face it, you're probably at
44:25
Speaker 1: some point going to get fired. And I can remember
44:29
Speaker 1: how I felt when that would happen to me. That's
44:31
Speaker 1: something that sports media I had prepared my entire life
44:35
Speaker 1: for it wanted and it was, you know, I felt
44:38
Speaker 1: I was on the top of Mount Olympus when I
44:40
Speaker 1: was doing and that's suddenly taken away from you. Now
44:44
Speaker 1: I want you to understand, you're a pro football player.
44:46
Speaker 1: You've made that, you know, select that that that Mount
44:50
Speaker 1: Olympus type percentage, if you will, that rare percentage. All
44:54
Speaker 1: your life has been geared to playing this sport. And
45:00
Speaker 1: then after a few years, oh you can't do it anymore.
45:06
Speaker 1: Team doesn't want you. This is tough for anyone to take.
45:13
Speaker 1: And while you can say, well there's coaching or what,
45:16
Speaker 1: it oftentimes doesn't wind up that way. And you know,
45:20
Speaker 1: maybe you have a sock of cash and maybe you
45:23
Speaker 1: don't you know after the but that's the thing pros.
45:28
Speaker 1: When it is taken away from you, it is absolutely devastating,
45:35
Speaker 1: and athletes do not really accept that. And really I
45:40
Speaker 1: can understand why I'm not criticizing them, because again, to
45:44
Speaker 1: your entire life and suddenly it's taken away from you.
45:47
Speaker 1: What do you do now. I'm not trying to diminish
45:52
Speaker 1: what happened here, but sometimes you can see where the
45:56
Speaker 1: downward spiral like this could occur.
46:00
Speaker 2: Question about it totally.
46:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, just sat all the way across the board. Uh,
46:06
Speaker 3: looks like he was found in a homeless encampment. I
46:13
Speaker 3: am glad that nowadays it seemed like players are being
46:15
Speaker 3: smarter with their money to avoid being in those situations.
46:20
Speaker 3: It seems like nowadays it's more mental health advocation. It's
46:24
Speaker 3: just more things across the board for the better betterment
46:27
Speaker 3: of these human beings that are also athletes, instead of
46:31
Speaker 3: just treating them like athletes and then doing away with
46:34
Speaker 3: them when they're not useful in the sense for entertainment.
46:38
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that those things are happening. It is
46:40
Speaker 3: sad for him, you know, that he didn't have those
46:44
Speaker 3: things afforded to him, or maybe he wasn't financially educated
46:48
Speaker 3: enough to keep the money that he had earned throughout
46:50
Speaker 3: the NFL and those situations.
46:52
Speaker 1: It's just it's just sad all across the board.
46:56
Speaker 3: Hopefully, you know, players nowadays, if they if it is
47:00
Speaker 3: a mental health issue, if is that they're not okay issue,
47:03
Speaker 3: they're talking, they're speaking, they're finding the proper health to
47:06
Speaker 3: get this stuff done so they can avoid these situations.
47:10
Speaker 2: I'm katy.
47:12
Speaker 5: It says that he was a very loving man. He
47:14
Speaker 5: was a family man, He was a father, a friend,
47:16
Speaker 5: and above all he loved everyone around him and give
47:22
Speaker 5: his shirt off his back just to make sure everybody
47:25
Speaker 5: else around him was okay. Friends had previously said that
47:30
Speaker 5: they thought he might be suffering from the brain brain
47:34
Speaker 5: disease caused by repeated head injuries chronic traumatic CTE bait. Basically,
47:43
Speaker 5: I'm not so sure he was in the encampment because
47:46
Speaker 5: he didn't have money, or if he wanted to help people,
47:50
Speaker 5: or if that's where he thought he lived.
47:52
Speaker 6: I mean, we don't know.
47:54
Speaker 5: He has caused a lot of hardships for a lot
47:58
Speaker 5: of different people. Mental health is a big concern of
48:04
Speaker 5: not necessarily the NFL, while they're starting to get better
48:08
Speaker 5: about it, but it ct affects the person in ways
48:16
Speaker 5: that most of us don't understand and can't comprehend unless
48:20
Speaker 5: you've been part of that, unless you've had some of
48:23
Speaker 5: the head injuries. You know, Scott, you you have headaches
48:28
Speaker 5: that like come on with no explanation and they come
48:33
Speaker 5: you know, migraines almost to the and we don't know
48:37
Speaker 5: if he was suffering from that.
48:40
Speaker 6: I hate to say this.
48:42
Speaker 5: We we've done shows on the MotorCity Memomoal Show before
48:48
Speaker 5: with William from the previously from the Olympics from he
48:54
Speaker 5: was on the Bob sled team, where the rest of
48:56
Speaker 5: his Bob sled team are no longer with us because
49:00
Speaker 5: of CTE and issues that they had, and he talks
49:03
Speaker 5: about his time like there are times when he can't
49:07
Speaker 5: even function unless he goes into the hyperbaric chambers. It's
49:12
Speaker 5: sad that people have these issues and that other people
49:18
Speaker 5: around him don't see it, don't take action.
49:23
Speaker 6: I would hope.
49:24
Speaker 5: More people would do that, and I would encourage everybody
49:28
Speaker 5: that thinks that there's anything you know, wrong with anybody
49:32
Speaker 5: to speak up, say something. Watch some of our shows
49:35
Speaker 5: William about ct and him talking about it. They're on
49:39
Speaker 5: our YouTube channels.
49:45
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was going to say. With the CTE,
49:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm reminded of Mike Webster, who's sort of
49:50
Speaker 1: poster child and all that the Great Steelers Center, and
49:53
Speaker 1: I mean I remember back in the day when when
49:57
Speaker 1: he had played for so long for the Steelers and
49:59
Speaker 1: all this theat wrapped in Dermody Dawson himself a future
50:03
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame center, and it was now time after
50:06
Speaker 1: I think it was a five and eleven season or
50:08
Speaker 1: so to say, I'm sorry, Mike. You know the time
50:11
Speaker 1: has come and people don't remember this, but Mike Webster
50:15
Speaker 1: actually went to Kansas City and played there for a
50:17
Speaker 1: couple of years and how much of that was the
50:23
Speaker 1: reason why that he went to Kansas City? And I
50:25
Speaker 1: don't for all of them, but remember what I said about,
50:28
Speaker 1: you've done this all your life. This is what you know.
50:33
Speaker 1: And now the Steelers do you want for super Bowls?
50:37
Speaker 1: For us? Saying you know, we got somebody younger. We
50:40
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a little fresher, certain cheaper thanks
50:43
Speaker 1: to Mike. How do you handle that? And you know
50:47
Speaker 1: you talk about see it goes hand in hand here.
50:51
Speaker 1: Now he plays two more years with the Chiefs as well,
50:54
Speaker 1: But what kind of the damage did that do? And again,
50:59
Speaker 1: when this is all you know, it is and I
51:03
Speaker 1: mean I understand you get college degree, you'll have other
51:05
Speaker 1: interests in playing football, don't get me wrong, but you
51:08
Speaker 1: geared your entire life for this and now you can't
51:13
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Yeah, how do you handle that? That
51:16
Speaker 1: is so devastating for any pro athlete. And that's why,
51:21
Speaker 1: you know, when their skills to get into a road,
51:23
Speaker 1: it is the athlete himself who is always the last
51:27
Speaker 1: to see it.
51:29
Speaker 2: Well said, And that's how we're going to end the
51:31
Speaker 2: show in a moment. Anyways, We're going to end the
51:32
Speaker 2: show on that note, but I just want to make
51:34
Speaker 2: sure topics like this get addressed and brought to the forefront.
51:37
Speaker 2: And that's exactly why I want to say rest in
51:40
Speaker 2: peace to Kevin Johnson. It was just unfortunate that things
51:44
Speaker 2: ended as tragically as they did, for sure. So I
51:47
Speaker 2: think that as we continue to develop the chemistry amongst
51:49
Speaker 2: this group, obviously, you know, I think Cliff kind of
51:52
Speaker 2: hit it on the ad, It's just going to be
51:55
Speaker 2: the type of thing where I'm looking for more of
51:57
Speaker 2: a debate among four or five six topics what I'm
52:00
Speaker 2: looking for. And I think that as I develop new
52:04
Speaker 2: chemistry with the group that we have, then these are
52:07
Speaker 2: the type of things that we built on week in
52:09
Speaker 2: and week out, and that's what we're gonna do with that. Said, Marquee,
52:12
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have to get out
52:13
Speaker 2: of here earlier. Why don't it before you leave, let
52:16
Speaker 2: everybody know how they get older and talk about your
52:18
Speaker 2: stuff of East Tennessee.
52:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right now that's sort of a that's a
52:23
Speaker 1: passion of mine and all this. But yeah, if you'll follow,
52:25
Speaker 1: TikTok is a good one at Marquee Bilson, I mean,
52:28
Speaker 1: r K Y d I L L S O.
52:30
Speaker 2: N uh.
52:31
Speaker 1: You know, we're at NCAA tournament time and you start
52:35
Speaker 1: wondering those mid majors that if you're a fan of
52:38
Speaker 1: a Kentucky or North Carolina or u c LA, you
52:40
Speaker 1: probably don't know that much about. But I maintained that
52:43
Speaker 1: with three hundred and sixty sixty one teams out there,
52:46
Speaker 1: you probably have all told more fans of the mid
52:49
Speaker 1: majors then you do the Dukes and the Indianas and
52:54
Speaker 1: so on. I mean, when it comes out right down
52:56
Speaker 1: to it. So that's that's a passionate mine because I
53:00
Speaker 1: I am an addition in Pittsburgh from Johnson City, Tennessee,
53:03
Speaker 1: for better or words, and that's one of the that's
53:07
Speaker 1: the team there. And I'm always fascinated that theoretically, at
53:12
Speaker 1: least a team from Johnson City, Tennessee could win a
53:17
Speaker 1: championship that the entire country cares about. That always fascinated me,
53:23
Speaker 1: and so that's why I do. You can see it
53:25
Speaker 1: on YouTube at Marquee Bilson. The fourth TikTok gets a
53:30
Speaker 1: lot of hits at Markey Bilson, and also check out
53:33
Speaker 1: the Substack Bilson on et issue.
53:36
Speaker 2: Let me point out I've been to Johnson City, Tennessee.
53:39
Speaker 2: Is beautiful, and I actually had an opportunity to drive
53:41
Speaker 2: some laughs around Bristol Motor Speedway.
53:44
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool that that that's more exciting than
53:48
Speaker 1: anything goes on Johnson City.
53:50
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, but I took some laughs around there
53:53
Speaker 2: during Christmas time and I can't believe how incredible, how
53:56
Speaker 2: Bristol Motor Speedway to me, is just unbelievable with the
54:00
Speaker 2: scenery there. So there's a there's a method for my manager.
54:04
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do things. Marky, don't worry, my friend.
54:07
Speaker 2: I can tell you next week it'll be a much
54:09
Speaker 2: different show than you saw tonight. Okay, mark you have
54:12
Speaker 2: a good night.
54:13
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy with it. Thank you for having me on.
54:16
Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. Thanks for being on. All right. I
54:18
Speaker 2: know Tony you got a roll, So go ahead and
54:20
Speaker 2: put your information out there. We're gonna see you Monday night.
54:22
Speaker 2: By the way, one hundred and eighty sitch at Bay
54:24
Speaker 2: Folk Talk. Go ahead, Tony, you have to leave it
54:26
Speaker 2: in an hour. Go ahead.
54:28
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Yeah, Tony Talking game on YouTube, Talking
54:32
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54:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
54:36
Speaker 3: Weekly episodes on talking game to our office, SmackDown on
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54:45
Speaker 2: Great, So all right, well you know what, Keiff, until
54:47
Speaker 2: everybody know how they can get a hold of you
54:49
Speaker 2: as well.
54:50
Speaker 4: I'm very simple, just to clip news the L I
54:53
Speaker 4: F F an E I L L. I'm on Facebook.
54:56
Speaker 4: I'm working on some things. I haven't gotten anything else
55:00
Speaker 4: over there. I'm busy being a prof I'm doing my thing,
55:03
Speaker 4: trying to help a future generation towards their their careers.
55:07
Speaker 2: And Marky and Cliff and Tony are the big core
55:12
Speaker 2: of what we have going on this show going forward,
55:14
Speaker 2: and I love every bit of it. And also shout
55:16
Speaker 2: out to Earl Kinzie. Nice testimony. He's reading my book
55:20
Speaker 2: right now, Scott. Love reading your book and your mentor
55:23
Speaker 2: or ye Court, keep putting them up in the rapid fire.
55:25
Speaker 2: Nice testimony to your mentor was great. Your book is
55:28
Speaker 2: a great read. I'm not finished yet. I'm on chapter three.
55:32
Speaker 2: I love Pittford, So there you go. And you know what, Earl,
55:35
Speaker 2: I love you man, because this guy's a fan of
55:37
Speaker 2: the show as well. So you know, Tony, you have
55:39
Speaker 2: any party shocks before you get rolling real quick.
55:45
Speaker 3: Enjoy the WBC. I definitely have been. We just need
55:49
Speaker 3: some simpler tiebreaker rules because once you start going into
55:53
Speaker 3: dividing outs to figure out who wins the tiebreakers.
55:56
Speaker 4: Hey man, I'm not that smart, That's all.
55:59
Speaker 1: I got it.
56:00
Speaker 2: You're a lot smarter than most people think. I'm glad
56:02
Speaker 2: you're on the ship on our network two three times
56:04
Speaker 2: a week. You're one of the best editions I've had
56:07
Speaker 2: all year as well. So you know, well that said that, Katie,
56:11
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56:13
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Speaker 2: All right, Kenny, well we had a great double hitty.
57:15
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57:17
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57:46
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57:51
Speaker 2: fire up, so we're gonna have some couple of possible
57:53
Speaker 2: NFL prospects stay there as well. So again, the show's
57:58
Speaker 2: going to continue to even evolved as I continue to
58:02
Speaker 2: add the core talent, and I feel like we took
58:04
Speaker 2: a step in that direction the night. Cliff, what are
58:06
Speaker 2: your thoughts here? I'm accounting on you to give me
58:09
Speaker 2: some ideas since you're one of the big people in
58:11
Speaker 2: the show. So Cliff, don't be shy. I know the
58:13
Speaker 2: one thing I could really get you going is anything
58:16
Speaker 2: that deals with expansion. Definitely gets your buind going, that's
58:19
Speaker 2: for sure.
58:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, well expansion. He was talking about World Baseball Classic.
58:23
Speaker 4: We should not be in this position. They should have
58:25
Speaker 4: beaten Italy. This is just silly. That's that's a joke
58:28
Speaker 4: that they that they didn't win.
58:31
Speaker 1: It than people think Italy.
58:35
Speaker 4: Right now, he's us say that roster is ridiculous. There's
58:38
Speaker 4: no call for that.
58:40
Speaker 5: We're beating Mexico right now, nine to one.
58:43
Speaker 6: The top of the ninth.
58:44
Speaker 4: So this is terrible.
58:46
Speaker 1: We're sleeping, We're sleeping on Italy.
58:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but this is just silly, okay, all.
58:51
Speaker 2: Right, Well silly or not silly, this show was in silly.
58:54
Speaker 2: It was definitely had a meaning all of its own.
58:58
Speaker 2: And that's for sure. So you know, hey, listen, I
59:01
Speaker 2: will say one of the more intriguing parts of the show,
59:03
Speaker 2: other than the fact that we ended up finding certain topics,
59:07
Speaker 2: and I think that Cliff is right okay, and so
59:11
Speaker 2: is marking their own sense. They're not big NDA people,
59:14
Speaker 2: I get it. But the one thing I can honestly
59:16
Speaker 2: say about the NBA is so you have bad general managers.
59:19
Speaker 2: All you have to do is look at the record.
59:21
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter what sport you're in, whether it's
59:22
Speaker 2: the NBA, the NFL, NHL, or MLB, it is what
59:27
Speaker 2: it is. If you make moves, that general manager is
59:31
Speaker 2: going to be a product of what their work is.
59:33
Speaker 2: And that's where elgend Baylor couldn't get it right for
59:36
Speaker 2: a while out with the Clippers. And of course, the
59:39
Speaker 2: one thing that Marky said, you know, you said about
59:44
Speaker 2: Ernie Grunfeld, and i'sn't take a shot. I don't care
59:47
Speaker 2: whether you know the sport or not. All you have
59:49
Speaker 2: to understand is a four oh two winning percentage, regardless
59:52
Speaker 2: of the sport, Cliff, right, is a four oh two
59:55
Speaker 2: winning percentage. Right.
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Speaker 4: I know I know all about bad gms. I'm an
59:59
Speaker 4: Islanders fan, and then I don't know Mike Milberry and
1:00:02
Speaker 4: Gert Snow. Oh my gosh, yeah, I know all about
1:00:05
Speaker 4: bad gm.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: So right, No, So that's the whole thing behind it.
1:00:08
Speaker 2: It wasn't a man and the man are trying to
1:00:10
Speaker 2: hammer the NBA. I mean, the NBA isn't drinking. But
1:00:12
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the last time I've been to
1:00:14
Speaker 2: an NBA game. And you know the reason why I haven't, though,
1:00:17
Speaker 2: Cliff and Tony and Danny. Load management turned me off. Yeah,
1:00:23
Speaker 2: load management, all right, Cliff, can you relate to load management?
1:00:27
Speaker 2: You know, you're not playing your stars at night during
1:00:30
Speaker 2: actually televised games, and all these guys that want to
1:00:33
Speaker 2: play sixty five games and the whole league played eighty two.
1:00:36
Speaker 2: That's enough to turn people off. And then you have
1:00:38
Speaker 2: more bench Simmons out there. They're taking the money run.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: That's what destroys the league's popularity, and that's what kills it.
1:00:45
Speaker 2: If you don't believe me, as Charles Barkley, you'll pay
1:00:47
Speaker 2: you the same gard thing right.
1:00:49
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well, and and then you don't have as
1:00:51
Speaker 4: big as story as you head back in the day,
1:00:52
Speaker 4: and you've got and we're living in a world that
1:00:54
Speaker 4: there's just too many options in the past, there's too
1:00:58
Speaker 4: many options nowadays.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He just made my point for him. Between
1:01:03
Speaker 2: load management and load management is absolutely the thing that's
1:01:08
Speaker 2: really destroyed the league. You know, load management means all
1:01:12
Speaker 2: that basically means he's just gotta go to work. Right,
1:01:15
Speaker 2: Does everybody on this show realized you need to go
1:01:17
Speaker 2: to work you're gonna make money. NBA players will do that.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: A lot of them don't even understand Taper late right
1:01:23
Speaker 2: when you had Magic Johnson and Larry Bird failing to
1:01:26
Speaker 2: lead out of takee the lag back in the day.
1:01:29
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were alive back then, Tony,
1:01:31
Speaker 2: but I'll bet you've probably heard about Larry Bird, Magic
1:01:33
Speaker 2: Johnson saving this league with back right, but they have
1:01:37
Speaker 2: load management is that you have? And that to me,
1:01:40
Speaker 2: and he had Charles Parkley, who's obviously outspoken and he's
1:01:43
Speaker 2: talked about it. So these are the type of things
1:01:46
Speaker 2: that regardless of what for it, you know, winning percentages
1:01:49
Speaker 2: are gonna be winning percentages and your body of work
1:01:52
Speaker 2: is going to dictate how long you stay. So you know,
1:01:55
Speaker 2: But I'm not trying to be labor the point. I'm
1:01:57
Speaker 2: just trying to make a point that if we ever
1:01:59
Speaker 2: talk about worst gms in the NHL or whatever, it's
1:02:03
Speaker 2: gonna be the same concept. Only tonight's team was a
1:02:05
Speaker 2: little bit focused on a hard one. So but that said,
1:02:07
Speaker 2: that does it for us tonight here on the sports
1:02:10
Speaker 2: we change. So as I said on behalf of Markey, Bilson, Cliff, Neil,
1:02:14
Speaker 2: Tony and Candy, this is Scott Morgan to see man.
1:02:17
Speaker 2: We thank you for joining us and we will see
1:02:19
Speaker 2: you next Wednesday night. Good Night everybody, and we'll have
1:02:22
Speaker 2: a busy day tomorrow sports rap and you have fire up, right, Katie,
1:02:27
Speaker 2: give us your fire up thing.
1:02:29
Speaker 5: I'll catch you tomorrow night. I'm fire up. You gotta
1:02:32
Speaker 5: get it there you.
1:02:34
Speaker 2: Go, that'll do it for you, all right, good night, everybody,
1:02:36
Speaker 2: see you next Wednesday night.
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Speaker 1: I now