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Ep. 49: Taking Stock After Week 13 Injuries | Jags A.M. Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: H Sometimes it's just luck, luck just being in the
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Speaker 1: right place at the right time, picking his feet up
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Speaker 1: at the right time. You know, he's obviously he's he's
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Speaker 1: very you know, he's long, he's tall, and and very
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Speaker 1: flexible as you can as you imagine, you know, the
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Speaker 1: one last night looked looked worse than than it really was.
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Speaker 1: Very fortunate there, but you know, he he seems to
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Speaker 1: have a little bit of a knack. But I just
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Speaker 1: think that's uh for the most part, you know, just been.
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Speaker 2: Just been fortunate.
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Speaker 3: Welcome in to jag them. Presented by Jet Homelands today,
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of hone. Stephen's Brian Sexton, John Oser with
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Speaker 3: me today. That's your head coach Peterson talking about Trevor
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Speaker 3: Lawrence's injury. It's a high ankle sprain, but as described yesterday,
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Speaker 3: fortunate it is not worse than they originally suspected. That's
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Speaker 3: our big thing today. Of course, Trevor Lawrence has to
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Speaker 3: be big thing number one for us as we look
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Speaker 3: forward to what this team is going to look like
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Speaker 3: going forward. They have not ruled him out for the
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Speaker 3: game against Cleveland, but Doug Peterson did say he wants
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Speaker 3: Trevor to feel one hundred percent before he gets back
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Speaker 3: out there.
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that Trevor is one hundred percent,
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Speaker 1: you know before I before I put him or any
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Speaker 1: any player back on the field. And and you know,
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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of of there as a player too,
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Speaker 1: as a tolerance that they can they can withstand with
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Speaker 1: with any injury, and you just don't want to risk
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Speaker 1: If the player is not in any harm or could
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Speaker 1: risk further damage to the area, then then then you
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Speaker 1: have to consider it, but definitely don't want to don't
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Speaker 1: want to risk further injury.
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Speaker 3: So they have not ruled him out for that Brown
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Speaker 3: the game, Brian, but also they want him to get
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Speaker 3: back to one hundred percent before they play him. So
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Speaker 3: what exactly are we looking at this week?
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Speaker 4: Guy?
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Speaker 2: I think it's simple. If he can play on Sunday
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Speaker 2: in Cleveland, be superman, right. I mean I was stunned
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Speaker 2: at the video of him walking down the hallway that
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Speaker 2: Monday night football used and he was with every painful
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Speaker 2: step grimacing. High Ankle sprains have long been a part
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Speaker 2: of life in the NFL, and they have long been
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Speaker 2: a three to six week injury. You know, quarterbacks can
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Speaker 2: generally tape it up a little bit, but we've seen
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Speaker 2: what mobility means john to him in his game. And
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Speaker 2: then here's the other thing. I mean, you're talking about
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Speaker 2: a quarterback you want to be your guy for the
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Speaker 2: next fifteen to eighteen years. You always have to make
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Speaker 2: this smart decision when it comes to him. So from
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Speaker 2: my perspective, if he plays on Sunday, I would be
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Speaker 2: not surprised. I would be shocked. And that's only because
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Speaker 2: I just can't see how a guy like that can
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Speaker 2: play in just a week's time on that injury. Less
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Speaker 2: than a week's time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's done some superhuman things. He's sort
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Speaker 4: of superhuman in New Orleans, but this would be sort
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Speaker 4: of super super human. I guess High Angel sprains, as
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Speaker 4: you said, three to six weeks, maybe they tape it up.
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Speaker 4: I kind of doubt it, you know. I think Doug
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Speaker 4: Peterson has his heaviest lift right now, trying to get
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Speaker 4: this team back up, trying to get the troops rallied,
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Speaker 4: if you will, whatever that cliche is, and I don't
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Speaker 4: expect Trevor to play, and that makes this week's game
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Speaker 4: against Cleveland to me fascinating ginormous.
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Speaker 2: Whatever that word is, well, if you want to look
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Speaker 2: just ahead one week, I don't want him to play
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Speaker 2: if he can't protect himself against Miles Garrett. Right the
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Speaker 2: next week, here come the Baltimore Ravens with the defense
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Speaker 2: that has forty three or forty four sacks, and there's
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Speaker 2: still a quarter of the season to play, So you've
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Speaker 2: got to make sure that he can protect himself from
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Speaker 2: some of these guys who will be head hunting a
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Speaker 2: quarterback they know isn't quite as mobile.
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Speaker 3: And we'll get to it a little bit later on
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Speaker 3: the show, but there's injuries across the offensive line as well,
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Speaker 3: which you have to bring up because they have to
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Speaker 3: protect him, and if he can't protect himself, that's something
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Speaker 3: to think about as well. Our second big thing today
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Speaker 3: is talk that talk, because miscommunication has been a problem
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Speaker 3: on the defense and we saw a lot of that yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Barring the injuries. The other big thing that stood out
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Speaker 3: was a lot of the issues on defense on a
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Speaker 3: team that has played well on defense all year long.
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Speaker 3: So Doug talked a little bit postgame about what was
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Speaker 3: going on on the field.
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Speaker 5: If you're on the field and the crowd as loud
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Speaker 5: as they are when we're on defense, you're going to
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Speaker 5: have we have to reiterate communication and that's all it is.
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Speaker 5: It's just double checking with everybody.
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Speaker 6: It's not communication issues, it's just being able to communicate
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Speaker 6: the calls effectively. So there's a lot of talk that
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Speaker 6: has to go back and forth because of the way
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Speaker 6: the crowd and the crowd was great today, you know,
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Speaker 6: and that's what you want, and it does kind of,
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Speaker 6: you know, put your defense in a little bit of
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Speaker 6: a bind because of that.
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Speaker 3: John Doug was a little short with the media after
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Speaker 3: the post game yesterday. I don't blame him for that.
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Speaker 3: Is there mis communication issues? Are they not missing?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 4: I think just was a little misconstrued. After Doug said it,
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Speaker 4: he was trying to answer a question about why it
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Speaker 4: looked like the defense was having trouble communicating for the snap.
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Speaker 4: That's how I interpret it, And he was trying to
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Speaker 4: explain I think that when it's loud, it looks like
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Speaker 4: there's miscommunication because the defense is trying touch other for
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Speaker 4: the play. He was sort of criticized by some fans
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Speaker 4: for criticizing fans. I didn't get the idea that he
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Speaker 4: was criticizing the fans for being loud at all. I
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Speaker 4: think this was a case where he was trying to
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Speaker 4: answer a question, and sometimes when you're answering a question
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Speaker 4: and trying to explain things in this SoundBite era, people
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Speaker 4: try to take it and make it something it's not.
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Speaker 4: Now that being said, the defense didn't play well, but
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Speaker 4: I thought the communication was going on during the play.
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Speaker 4: A lot of bad run fits and they got blown
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Speaker 4: off the ball. It was a bad defensive game against
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Speaker 4: the run for a team that's played great against the
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Speaker 4: run most of the season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I got the sensition. This is just a
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Speaker 2: feeling mad, you know. I mean he was mad standing there,
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Speaker 2: mad at his defense that they weren't doing the things
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Speaker 2: that they had done all season long, and his comments
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Speaker 2: were meant to temperate. He absolutely did not criticize the fans.
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Speaker 2: He went out of his way to make sure that
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Speaker 2: he said they were great. The defensive coordinator is going
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Speaker 2: to talk this week, and the question is a painful
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Speaker 2: one for him, but it goes something like this, how
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Speaker 2: is it that your defense, which has had some communication
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Speaker 2: issues and has talked about working on them throughout the year,
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Speaker 2: how is it the communication was a problem for you guys?
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Speaker 2: But not for the quarterback making only a second start,
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Speaker 2: his first away from home, and on Monday night in
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Speaker 2: that environment. How is it not a problem for him.
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Speaker 2: That's the question that has to get answer. Because John,
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Speaker 2: we've frankly talked about communication issues and big plays being
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Speaker 2: given up on the field at various points throughout the year.
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Speaker 2: The offense was able to overcome it and help the
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Speaker 2: defense out. The defense got takeaways to help the offense out.
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Speaker 2: But the other night, neither side of the ball was
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Speaker 2: working very well in communication became the flashpoint.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the offense actually did okay in that game.
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Speaker 4: I was again shocked at the inability to stop the
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Speaker 4: run of a team that hadn't run very well. That's
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Speaker 4: more detailed communications. We don't think about that being communication
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Speaker 4: as much as the back end. H Doug thought that
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Speaker 4: was the key to the game. I I sort of agreed.
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Speaker 4: This defense that has stopped the run so well all year,
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden couldn't fit. It had a lot
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Speaker 4: of linebackers and safeties going in the wrong direction at
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Speaker 4: frankly the wrong time.
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Speaker 3: Our final big thing today is gonna be next man up,
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Speaker 3: because we'll go in depth into the injuries, but there
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Speaker 3: were a lot of injuries, including Trevor Lawrence. But they
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Speaker 3: have to play on Sunday and it's a short week
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Speaker 3: before they head to Cleveland, so.
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Speaker 2: The next man up.
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Speaker 8: You know, obviously we would love to have Season out there.
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Speaker 8: You know, he's a he's a head man. But you know,
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Speaker 8: if he's not out there, we all got it back.
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Speaker 8: And it's like I said, but as a next next
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Speaker 8: man approach to mentality and we can approach it like that,
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Speaker 8: and defense we hone in no more mistitles like we
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Speaker 8: get better at the defense and help the Dolphins out.
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Speaker 8: But I think CJ gonna hold his own and I
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Speaker 8: think I know you know how to leave this offense, Solf.
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Speaker 8: You know, we do our part, play a little bit better,
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Speaker 8: we'll be all right.
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Speaker 3: CJ. Bethard is the next man out at quarterback, Brian
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Speaker 3: or what are we looking at if CJ's a starter
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Speaker 3: on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Look, if I'm Doug, I'm tempted to say he didn't
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Speaker 2: play it right and let everybody know that early in
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Speaker 2: the week, so they don't think that help is on
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Speaker 2: the way that they figure out that they're all going
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Speaker 2: to have to lift their games a little bigger, a
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Speaker 2: little better rather because sixteen's not back there, So everybody's
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Speaker 2: got to be better on blocking, tackling, catching, running, all
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Speaker 2: of those things. Everybody's got to have that mentality of
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Speaker 2: sixteen isn't there to bail us out. We've got to
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Speaker 2: be there to help CJ. And if for some reason
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Speaker 2: Superman does show up on Sunday, great, But I think
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Speaker 2: the mentality has to be he didn't plan. We've got
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Speaker 2: to be ready to do this without him and John.
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Speaker 2: I think this roster has the ability to go and
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Speaker 2: win a game in Cleveland without him, provided they get
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Speaker 2: a couple of those other guys back. Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 4: I don't think over the course of a season it's
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Speaker 4: gonna be a playoff team without Trevor Lawrence, but I
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Speaker 4: think it can go. It showed the other night that
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Speaker 4: in Spurts it can be effective with CJ. CJ did
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Speaker 4: a nice job. He led the team to a drive
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Speaker 4: to tie the game. He made a throw to Ridley,
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Speaker 4: gave really a chance to make a play on what
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Speaker 4: was a call that sort of took a touchdown or
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Speaker 4: potential touchdown away in overtime. He did his job. He'll
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Speaker 4: be functional. I thought it was encouraging that the players
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Speaker 4: Angram Z Jones, guys like that late in the game
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Speaker 4: seemed to lift. They're gonna have to lift for sixty
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Speaker 4: minutes on Sunday. It's harder to do that than it
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Speaker 4: is for a couple of drives.
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Speaker 3: All right, coming up after the break, we're gonna go
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Speaker 3: over some of the injuries this team suffered and what
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Speaker 3: this week.
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Speaker 7: He's the leader of our team. It does a great
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Speaker 7: job each week, doesn't doing this thing? You know, I
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Speaker 7: feel like that that plays on me too, So you
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Speaker 7: know that definitely hurts. But you know the saying gotta
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Speaker 7: come out, grow, get ready, and let's get ready to
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Speaker 7: work next week. Be more decisive, tomro be quicker, so
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Speaker 7: you know third now, I didn't know if there was
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Speaker 7: pressure or not. I just got to be able to
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Speaker 7: make a play and be decisive from the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: It's Parker Washington. Welcome back to jag z Am. He
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Speaker 3: had a touchdown in this you know NFL touchdown. He
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Speaker 3: said he felt a little responsibility on that play where
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Speaker 3: Trevor got hurt. He should have been a little more
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Speaker 3: decisive on his route. But you know, he got thrown
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Speaker 3: into the fire for sure because Christian Kirk went on
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Speaker 3: the first play the game.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna get the chance because he's gonna get
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Speaker 2: more reps obviously on the practice field this week with
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Speaker 2: Christian Kirk being down and he's going to play a
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Speaker 2: whole lot more. You know, he made that touchdown catch, right,
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Speaker 2: but he also had a critical third down catch where
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Speaker 2: he dove and fought for the ball and took it
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Speaker 2: away from the Bengals defensive back. I saw some things
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Speaker 2: that I really liked from him. He's a tough kid.
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Speaker 2: He slid in the draft because he had broken part
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Speaker 2: of a bone in his foot somewhere when he was
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Speaker 2: in his last year at Penn State, and so he
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Speaker 2: didn't run quite as well. But he's a guy with
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Speaker 2: a lot of potential and they're going to need to
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Speaker 2: work that out of him on the practice field in
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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks to get some of it
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Speaker 2: back from him on the game field. Yeah, it bodes well.
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Speaker 4: So often if if a guy doesn't play as a
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Speaker 4: rookie in September, people are panicking, sane it was a
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Speaker 4: bad draft pick. They were never that worried about Parker Washington.
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Speaker 4: This hasn't been really a chance for him to play
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Speaker 4: with Christian Kirk being in there. With the receiver depth,
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Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine in terms of when when
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Speaker 4: they throw him the ball, he'll catch it. He needs
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Speaker 4: to improve knowing where to be on the field, but
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Speaker 4: that's sort of rookie stuff, you know. That being said,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to minimize what Christian Kirk being out,
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Speaker 4: and it sounds like he's out for the season or
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Speaker 4: at least until you know, AFC Championship Game week, super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: He's really important in terms of chemistry, reliability. Out of
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Speaker 4: all the receivers, he's the best at You never worry
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Speaker 4: that he's going to be exactly where he's supposed to be.
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Speaker 4: That's a huge edge for the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2: It's why he's the leading receiver.
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Speaker 4: It's why Trevor depends on him so much that over
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Speaker 4: the long term is a big, big loss.
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Speaker 3: I think the thing we need to remember about Parker
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Speaker 3: two is we've talked a little bit about he didn't
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Speaker 3: get to play as rookie. Those are mistakes. We've been
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Speaker 3: talking about tank tanks for making for twelve weeks. He
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Speaker 3: hasn't had that opportunity. He got hurt as well, and
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Speaker 3: then he's coming in to play for Agnum and now
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Speaker 3: Christian Kirk. So, Christian Kirk a huge injury. He has
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Speaker 3: a core injury that Doug said will probably need surgery,
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Speaker 3: which puts him at you know, six plus weeks out so,
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Speaker 3: as John mentioned, if we're lucky to make it that
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Speaker 3: far AFC Championship, super Bowl, that's when maybe something like
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Speaker 3: that could happen. But this injury list is a long one,
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Speaker 3: and that's something we're talking about because without Christian Kirk,
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Speaker 3: he's kind of a safety blanket for Trevor and he
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Speaker 3: is someone where you know where he's gonna be at
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Speaker 3: all times. And what does that take away from the offense, John.
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Speaker 4: Well, it takes away all that trust, all that kind
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Speaker 4: of new I mean, you're you're never surprised when when
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Speaker 4: Trevor drops to pass. It's just the way obviously games
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Speaker 4: that don't watch it on TV, when Trevor drops to
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Speaker 4: pass and you look out and you see Christian running
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Speaker 4: wide open.
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Speaker 2: Like he wasn't the play he got hurt.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're never surprised because he's such a good route
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Speaker 4: runner and there's such trust. And just think over what seventeen,
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Speaker 4: how many games Christian's been here, how many huge third
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Speaker 4: downs he's caught, how reliable he is. We talked for
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Speaker 4: six seven weeks about how much the offense misses Zay
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Speaker 4: Jones because you have to account for him well, and
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Speaker 4: offense is like this the guys that you cannot leave
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Speaker 4: single covered, which in this offense are Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram,
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Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley, and Jay Jones. When you lose one, that
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Speaker 4: messes up the gears and now they have to play
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Speaker 4: with their gears messed up.
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Speaker 2: It just always seems like he's that guy in third
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Speaker 2: and forever right where you know you need almost a
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Speaker 2: prayer to convert third down in seventeen and he's the
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Speaker 2: guy who's open. And I think back to last season
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Speaker 2: and the place that he made against the Ravens and
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, the plays that he made against the Titans
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Speaker 2: and the Chargers. I mean, he's just he always seems
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Speaker 2: to make a big play. And it may not be
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Speaker 2: a sixty eight yard touchdown, it may only be a
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Speaker 2: twenty six yard completion, but it happens in big moments.
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Speaker 2: That's the kind of player he is. He's not tall
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Speaker 2: in stature, but he makes tall plays, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 4: And here's what you sort of notice about Christian. He's
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Speaker 4: not really on the highlights that much because so many
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Speaker 4: of his big plays are he's open and Trevor gets
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Speaker 4: in the ball, because Trevor knows exactly where he's going
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Speaker 4: to be, so there's not a whole lot of highlight.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't after one handed, he doesn't make it all
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Speaker 4: leaven catches. He's just open and the right timing on
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Speaker 4: his route. He makes it look easy and subtle and
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Speaker 4: you don't think about it that much. But how many
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Speaker 4: big plays. The touchdown against the Colts this year where
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Speaker 4: him and Trevor are on the same page. Last year
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Speaker 4: he's the only touchdown against the Titans in the last
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Speaker 4: game of the season. He makes big plays at big moments,
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Speaker 4: and again you go back.
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Speaker 2: To the trust.
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Speaker 4: Trust is so big for a quarterback. Out of all
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Speaker 4: the receivers, Trevor trusts him number one. When Trevor gets back,
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Speaker 4: that'll be a loss in chemistry he has to make
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Speaker 4: up for.
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Speaker 3: Talked about the two biggest injuries, of course, your quarterback
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Speaker 3: and Christian Kirk who looks like he'll be out long term.
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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of other names. So when you
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Speaker 3: look at this list of people that are injured, who's
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Speaker 3: kind of sticking out to you, Brian, who's an injury
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Speaker 3: you're concerned about other than the big deal?
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Speaker 2: Well, Walker little because you lost Cam Robinson last week,
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Speaker 2: right and now a guy that we've heard is a
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Speaker 2: natural left tackle is likely the left tackle here of
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Speaker 2: the future because the salary cap considerations. Now he's down,
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Speaker 2: which means your left tackle is Blake Hants. Okay, ugh, right,
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Speaker 2: you worry about that the next two weeks. As I
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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, teams with really strong pass rushes, and you're
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Speaker 2: gonna ask a guy who's probably more naturally a right
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Speaker 2: side player and a guard at that to go play
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Speaker 2: left tackle. That's troublesome.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Miles Scarrett plays for that team.
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Speaker 2: Right he mostly stays on the left side of the defense.
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Speaker 2: He's not a guy that they flip really often. He's
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Speaker 2: still play with it. Yet take everybody else and go
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Speaker 2: go back the weak spot at left tackle because Miles
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Speaker 2: Garrett's over there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and with Walker he has shown such great potential.
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Speaker 4: But you know, as a team, they would love at
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Speaker 4: some point to know that they can rely on that
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Speaker 4: for the long term. A lot of him not playing
17:22
Speaker 4: has hasn't been his fault. The boy, they would have
17:24
Speaker 4: loved to have seen him healthy for a stretch. And
17:27
Speaker 4: so at the end of last year, this year he
17:29
Speaker 4: gets in a right guard and then all of a
17:31
Speaker 4: sudden he's out, yea. I think he's a big time player,
17:36
Speaker 4: but boy, you would love to have that body of
17:39
Speaker 4: work where you said, yeah, we know what that guy.
17:41
Speaker 3: Is, especially someone you're thinking about giving long term big
17:44
Speaker 3: money to when yeah, often injured.
17:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that's let's hope the hamstring isn't bad,
17:51
Speaker 4: that he can be out there and sort of show
17:53
Speaker 4: himself for extended period of time.
17:55
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that a tackle would have a
17:57
Speaker 2: better chance of playing on a hamstring, obviously than a
18:01
Speaker 2: defensive back or a wide receiver because he doesn't have
18:03
Speaker 2: to be quite as explosive. I haven't talked to him.
18:05
Speaker 2: I don't know the extent of the injury, but I
18:07
Speaker 2: would imagine he's going to gut it out and try
18:09
Speaker 2: and go to be there to protect CJ. Befort because
18:12
Speaker 2: they're gona need him.
18:13
Speaker 6: Yah.
18:13
Speaker 4: The other guy you don't want down is Fotokasi. You
18:16
Speaker 4: don't talk a lot about defensive tackles, but he's been
18:19
Speaker 4: a huge reason that they're really stout against the run,
18:22
Speaker 4: maybe behind Trayvon and Josh, the most consistent player up
18:25
Speaker 4: front this year. You don't want him out for very long.
18:27
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the same injury that cost him the preseason.
18:30
Speaker 2: Member he heard it on the practice field in Detroit.
18:32
Speaker 2: We watched him kay walk off the field at Allen
18:34
Speaker 2: Park that day, and he missed the rest of the preseason.
18:37
Speaker 2: He's been really stout this year, really, and Devon Hamilton,
18:41
Speaker 2: as we've heard from the coach, kind of still working
18:43
Speaker 2: his way back to being able to play.
18:45
Speaker 3: For me, I'm looking at the secondary and I think
18:47
Speaker 3: that might be the sum of all the parts there,
18:49
Speaker 3: because we finally get Tyson Campbell back from that hamstring injury.
18:52
Speaker 3: Now he has a right quad injury as well. Trey
18:55
Speaker 3: Herndon still in concussion protocol in a short week, and
18:57
Speaker 3: Andre Sisko heard a shoulder he went back into the game.
19:00
Speaker 3: But that's also something you're playing with. I know everybody's
19:02
Speaker 3: banged up at this time of year, but secondary struggling.
19:04
Speaker 3: They're down a guy, and now everybody's hurt.
19:06
Speaker 2: Too well that Herndon one. I mean, Gregor Junior missed
19:10
Speaker 2: a lot of time this year. He had his own
19:12
Speaker 2: amstring injury that put him on injury reserve. And so
19:14
Speaker 2: when you lose Herndon, we don't think of Herndon as
19:17
Speaker 2: being that communicator but John, when you play in the slot,
19:20
Speaker 2: it's such a unique position compared to playing corner on
19:24
Speaker 2: the outside. There's a lot of communication that goes on
19:27
Speaker 2: from that position to FOI a Lucon or Devin Lloyd
19:31
Speaker 2: talking about who's covering and what they're doing, and they
19:33
Speaker 2: were playing a lot of zone the other night and
19:35
Speaker 2: that's ultimate communication, right. So it was a confluence of things,
19:40
Speaker 2: But losing Trey Herndon is more significant that people might
19:42
Speaker 2: give it credit for.
19:44
Speaker 4: And he's a veteran. He's been around it seems like
19:45
Speaker 4: since the franchise begins twenty eighteen. So yeah, losing a
19:50
Speaker 4: veteran presence in there is worrisome. And who knows what
19:55
Speaker 4: the concussion protocol that's yeah, we'll let that play out.
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Speaker 3: Ducation point is good too, cause I know one of
20:01
Speaker 3: the big Jamar touchdown, that big touchdown run in the
20:04
Speaker 3: beginning where Tyson's up in the air and kind of
20:06
Speaker 3: gets beat. After that, Cisco's trying to communicate at the
20:08
Speaker 3: line before all of that goes down, and that's when
20:11
Speaker 3: you're looking at it and maybe what Doug's talking about
20:13
Speaker 3: it is loud. They're trying to figure things out, but
20:15
Speaker 3: it doesn't look great, and then obviously we need to
20:16
Speaker 3: get beat on the play too. So coming up, we're
20:19
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20:20
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Speaker 3: Here in the Hundai studio, are gonna do a little
21:00
Speaker 3: this or that. We're doing a little bit different. We're
21:02
Speaker 3: gonna have a kind of a group conversation here today
21:05
Speaker 3: because and a little bit of what if you know,
21:07
Speaker 3: because the team is not healthy right now, but if
21:09
Speaker 3: they were healthy, do we think this is one of
21:12
Speaker 3: the best teams in the AFC. We're talking going into
21:14
Speaker 3: Monday night football. They're up for that number one seed.
21:17
Speaker 3: If this team is at their best after that game
21:19
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, do you still feel they are one
21:21
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the AFC?
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Speaker 2: I do, and I've said it on the show a
21:24
Speaker 2: couple of times. In fact, I thought they would go
21:26
Speaker 2: out and prove that against the San Francisco forty nine
21:28
Speaker 2: ers and that didn't happen. But then they bounced back
21:32
Speaker 2: and had two games they needed to win and they
21:34
Speaker 2: did win. I think if they're healthy and at their best,
21:37
Speaker 2: which is what the criteria was for this, I think
21:39
Speaker 2: they're scoring. They swore with thirty one points the other
21:42
Speaker 2: night right and lost. And I think that defense with
21:45
Speaker 2: twenty one takeaways and number five or number six against
21:48
Speaker 2: the runoverall, could they be better? Well, sure, But I
21:51
Speaker 2: think you can go and look at the elite teams
21:53
Speaker 2: in the NFL, the Eagles, the Chiefs at you know,
21:56
Speaker 2: find places the Dolphins where they can be better to Yeah,
22:00
Speaker 2: I think if this team is healthy, I do think
22:02
Speaker 2: that they are one of the best teams in the NFL,
22:04
Speaker 2: one of the best teams in the AFC, for sure.
22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean there's no question they are, because they
22:09
Speaker 4: were the other night. They didn't blow out the Bangle.
22:12
Speaker 4: They lost to the Bengals, who are a five hundred team,
22:15
Speaker 4: but they were you know, I feel like if Trevor
22:19
Speaker 4: doesn't get hurt, that they win that game, probably seventy
22:23
Speaker 4: percent chance. I would put at on any basis for that.
22:26
Speaker 4: That was just my feeling the AFC this year. The
22:31
Speaker 4: question is are they a legitimate contender? They absolutely are.
22:34
Speaker 4: They're not far and away the best team in the AFC,
22:37
Speaker 4: but the Ravens, who I think feel like the best
22:40
Speaker 4: team in the AFC. They've lost three times and they've
22:44
Speaker 4: looked great when they blow teams out, that's what they do.
22:46
Speaker 4: They've also lost the Jaguars were about to win the
22:50
Speaker 4: other night. The way they've won a few games, which
22:52
Speaker 4: is sort of gutting it out. They're a smart veteran team.
22:54
Speaker 4: It didn't work out from the other night. Yeah, I
22:57
Speaker 4: think it. Also, remember they swept the Colts. Everybody sleeps
23:02
Speaker 4: in the Colts. But that's sweet. The Cults are nine
23:05
Speaker 4: and three and winning this thing. They've beaten the Steelers,
23:08
Speaker 4: they've beaten the Texans once. They've beaten those teams legitimately
23:12
Speaker 4: to keep those teams at bay. I think they're one
23:16
Speaker 4: of three or four teams that are really really good
23:18
Speaker 4: in the AFC went healthy that they're really good.
23:22
Speaker 3: I'm not quite there yet, and I think that's just
23:25
Speaker 3: because they beat the teams they need to beat. They
23:27
Speaker 3: do what they need to do. But they're not blowing
23:29
Speaker 3: anybody out. And I don't know how much they're addressing
23:32
Speaker 3: the concerns that we've had been talking. I feel like
23:34
Speaker 3: we talk about the same concerns and they haven't necessarily
23:37
Speaker 3: gotten better. Like we talk about the susceptibility to the
23:39
Speaker 3: big play, and obviously it was extreme examples against the
23:42
Speaker 3: Bengals with one of the best receiving cores in the NFL,
23:45
Speaker 3: But that's an issue that's been an issue, and the
23:48
Speaker 3: run game covers up a lot of that. And that
23:50
Speaker 3: kind of goes into our second this or that, which
23:52
Speaker 3: is this has been a really good defense, but have
23:55
Speaker 3: they been stout all around or have they just been opportunistic?
23:58
Speaker 3: They're really good at stopping the run other than against
24:00
Speaker 3: the Bengals, but then the secondary has lacked. There's miscommunication,
24:04
Speaker 3: there's other areas of deficiency. Is this a really good
24:07
Speaker 3: defense or have they just been playing with their strengths?
24:09
Speaker 2: Well, I think they're a good defense. Right. They have
24:11
Speaker 2: twenty one takeaways, which puts them in the top ten,
24:13
Speaker 2: and they've been top five against the run all season long.
24:16
Speaker 2: They lack some things in coverage. They're susceptible, whether it's
24:19
Speaker 2: the linebackers or the safeties or a corner on an island.
24:23
Speaker 2: You know, they've given up big chunks of yardage in
24:25
Speaker 2: the passing game and allowed some teams, you know, to
24:28
Speaker 2: make games tighter than preps we thought they should be.
24:31
Speaker 2: I don't know that they well. I mean, you look
24:33
Speaker 2: at the two or three best defense in the league.
24:35
Speaker 2: You look at San Francisco and Baltimore. I don't think
24:38
Speaker 2: they're I don't think they're there. But I do think
24:41
Speaker 2: on a good day they're a really good unit. I
24:45
Speaker 2: just don't think they're e laite.
24:47
Speaker 4: They're really good when they play how they can play.
24:53
Speaker 4: And that's what I didn't share the other night. They didn't.
24:57
Speaker 4: If you talk to any defensive player in that locker room,
25:00
Speaker 4: they will clearly lay out what they have to do
25:03
Speaker 4: be good. They have stopped the run that forced turnovers,
25:05
Speaker 4: and then when they stopped the run puts them in
25:08
Speaker 4: passing situations where they are teams at a disadvantage. But
25:11
Speaker 4: the other night they didn't do that. So guess what.
25:16
Speaker 4: When they don't play to their identity, they're not a
25:18
Speaker 4: good defense, because they weren't the other night. They gave
25:20
Speaker 4: it four to ninety. When they do what they believe
25:23
Speaker 4: they're good at, then they are a pretty good defense.
25:26
Speaker 4: So I don't know how to explain why all of
25:30
Speaker 4: a sudden they weren't having good run fits the other night.
25:33
Speaker 4: But had they then I think we were talking about
25:35
Speaker 4: a good defense the other night. They were not a
25:36
Speaker 4: good defense. When they do what they do, they're pretty good.
25:40
Speaker 2: Well they're gonna get a chance this week to prove it, right, Yeah.
25:43
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a game with Joe Flacco, who
25:46
Speaker 2: gives them something in the passing game that they haven't
25:48
Speaker 2: had with the other backup since DeShawn Watson's been down.
25:51
Speaker 2: But Amari Cooper is in the concussion protocol, so who
25:54
Speaker 2: knows whether he'll play or not. This is big boy
25:57
Speaker 2: football without Nick Chubb. They don't does not bob the
26:00
Speaker 2: Browns in that stadium. Their personality is run the ball,
26:05
Speaker 2: and they're gonna run the ball, so you better be
26:07
Speaker 2: prepared to line up and take the ball your way.
26:10
Speaker 2: Thirty plus times. If you can do that, if you
26:13
Speaker 2: can keep them at three yards three point five yards
26:15
Speaker 2: to carry, then you get a chance to go take
26:17
Speaker 2: on an aging thirty eight year old Joe Flacco. We
26:19
Speaker 2: could see the pass rush, we could see some takeaways.
26:22
Speaker 2: We could and that's the way. By the way, it's
26:24
Speaker 2: essential for CJ. Bethler to succeed. He's going to need
26:27
Speaker 2: extra possessions and short fields and this defense is gonna
26:30
Speaker 2: have a chance to make that happen.
26:31
Speaker 4: So everybody's defense, for the most part, has defined this
26:34
Speaker 4: season for them. This is their chance to re set
26:40
Speaker 4: the season. I think if they win this game, they
26:42
Speaker 4: get in the playoffs because I think the schedule late
26:44
Speaker 4: in the season, I have a tough time against Baltimore
26:47
Speaker 4: Trevor's hurt, but then it gets either that final stretch.
26:51
Speaker 4: This is a huge game for this team, and it
26:54
Speaker 4: sets up to where the defense that they play to
26:56
Speaker 4: its strength, can can have one of those games where
26:59
Speaker 4: you're talking to four defensive players after the game and
27:01
Speaker 4: they're the story. This could be their game. But it's
27:06
Speaker 4: tough because this is what the Browns did.
27:08
Speaker 2: To take this defense from that very good to that
27:11
Speaker 2: top level elite. You need Andre Cisco, you need Tyson Campbell,
27:17
Speaker 2: and you need Devin Lloyd and of course Dramon Walker.
27:21
Speaker 2: But you need those players to lift their games. They've
27:23
Speaker 2: got to be more consistent. And obviously Campbell's been out
27:26
Speaker 2: with the injury for a while so he hasn't been
27:28
Speaker 2: able to but Cisco, Lloyd and Walker. I want to
27:31
Speaker 2: leave Walker off because he's been consistent, but those two,
27:34
Speaker 2: in particular on the back end, have been up and
27:36
Speaker 2: down and up and down and up and down. And
27:38
Speaker 2: if they lift their game on Sunday, the Jaguars have
27:42
Speaker 2: a really good chance to win.
27:43
Speaker 3: And we've seen they're capable of it.
27:45
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt they're more than able.
27:47
Speaker 3: So we need to see that out of the defense,
27:48
Speaker 3: especially with your backup quarterback CJ. Bethort in there and
27:51
Speaker 3: without Christian Kirk as well, one of the safety valves
27:53
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Speaker 3: Absolutely looks very well rounded going into this week, we
28:44
Speaker 3: don't know where we're gonna get. Trevor Lawrence is listed
28:47
Speaker 3: as talking this week, so hopefully we'll hear from him
28:49
Speaker 3: today and kind of figure out exactly where he's at.
28:51
Speaker 3: But Brian, you're on record saying you.
28:54
Speaker 4: Just want CG.
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Speaker 3: Brethard to be why guy this week and just kind
28:56
Speaker 3: of take that out of the equation.
28:58
Speaker 2: You know, back in the seventies, there was a big
28:59
Speaker 2: AFC championship game between the Steelers and the Raiders and
29:02
Speaker 2: those Johnny, you remember, those were called the Holy Wars.
29:05
Speaker 2: I mean they were vicious games, and there great Steelers teams.
29:08
Speaker 2: They had Rocky Blyyer and Franco Harris and both of
29:10
Speaker 2: them were out for a game or both of them
29:12
Speaker 2: were injured, and Chuck Noll famously said help is not
29:15
Speaker 2: on the way, guys, you better figure out how to
29:17
Speaker 2: do this on your own and then sort of set
29:19
Speaker 2: the standard. You know, you have to have that mindset
29:22
Speaker 2: of man sixteen's not coming to the rescue this week
29:25
Speaker 2: like he has. It's got to be on me to
29:28
Speaker 2: do my job better, whatever that job is. And so yeah,
29:31
Speaker 2: I'd almost rather see Doug say that from the beginning
29:34
Speaker 2: of the week and say it's up to us. The
29:37
Speaker 2: other fifty two guys in here have to figure out
29:39
Speaker 2: how to get it done because we're not going to
29:42
Speaker 2: have him on Sunday. And then again, if he shows
29:45
Speaker 2: up on Saturday night at the team meeting and says, hey,
29:48
Speaker 2: I feel great, I'm ready to go, great bonus.
29:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Steelers actually lost that game to the Raiders,
29:53
Speaker 4: and because Franco and Rocky again hurt the week before
29:57
Speaker 4: against the Colts and there were Steelers people who had
30:00
Speaker 4: wished that Chuck had just ruled them out. I mean
30:03
Speaker 4: that was sort of the and I get that if
30:10
Speaker 4: Trevor has a chance to play, he should play, and
30:13
Speaker 4: if he can protect himself a few words, I think
30:15
Speaker 4: it's a it's a fascinating week on that front. I'm
30:20
Speaker 4: really looking forward to this week. In this game, it's
30:23
Speaker 4: easy to say in the NFL, well, this game is
30:24
Speaker 4: gonna show a lot about this team. I think this
30:27
Speaker 4: game really wished a lot about this team. The Browns
30:29
Speaker 4: are tough to beat up there. They've only lost one game.
30:32
Speaker 4: They're not gray away from home, but they're really good
30:34
Speaker 4: at home. For the Jaguars to go win this in
30:36
Speaker 4: this circumstance, this is a heavy lift. This is a
30:39
Speaker 4: huge game.
30:40
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's a tale of two cities, so to speak. Right,
30:44
Speaker 2: you've got Cleveland and Jacksonville, and both of them have
30:46
Speaker 2: massive injuries. The Browns starting quarterback is off right to
30:50
Speaker 2: Shaun Watson. Both their starting tackles from the season are gone.
30:53
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb is gone. Denziel Warden and Miles Garrett have
30:57
Speaker 2: both played banged up and those are the two best
30:59
Speaker 2: players on their defense. And now you look at the
31:01
Speaker 2: Jaguars injury list, which we showed earlier in this show.
31:04
Speaker 2: It's important to know this is not just about Trevor, right.
31:06
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to have an offensive lineman and
31:09
Speaker 2: a defensive back or two. You've got guys that you
31:12
Speaker 2: legitimately need to work and manage through this week to
31:15
Speaker 2: get them on the field to give yourself a chance
31:17
Speaker 2: to win. With CJ. Bethford, it's more than just Trevor.
31:20
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of guys and.
31:22
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting for sure. We'll learn a
31:23
Speaker 3: lot today as we hear from Doug Peterson and hopefully
31:25
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence. So we'll be back here on jag Zam
31:27
Speaker 3: tomorrow and give you a little bit more about what
31:29
Speaker 3: this game against Cleveland's gonna look like on Sunday,