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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Osier and NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on
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Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jaguars. Everything's got to be about the future,
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Speaker 1: has got to be about tomorrow and bringing all that
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Speaker 1: into focus as we you know, attack the season. Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into the
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Speaker 1: Huddle of podcast. It's Wednesday, May fourth, JP Shadrick with
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Speaker 1: the NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks and Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: this week. The draft is over and John I must
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Speaker 1: say it was great to have Bucky and Jacksonville this
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Speaker 1: past weekend for our Jaguars dot Com coverage. He didn't nice. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I kid Bucky, but uh I like the
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Speaker 1: coverage because of Bucky. The the depth of coverage and
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Speaker 1: the level of expertise was off the charts. And that's
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Speaker 1: the one nice thing I'll say about Bucky on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: You got that going for you, Buck, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Like, look, I had a lot of
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Speaker 1: had a lot of fun, and I will say what
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Speaker 1: was great was being able to get down and feel
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Speaker 1: the energy, Like one of the things that I missed
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Speaker 1: on on being on the media side was filling the
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Speaker 1: energy of being with the team and being connected and
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Speaker 1: so kind of filling the buzz that was going around
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Speaker 1: the building when the picks were coming in like that
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Speaker 1: was terrific. And then kind of reconnecting not only with
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Speaker 1: you guys, were reconnecting with the fan base and seeing
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Speaker 1: guys uh season ticket holders at the events and kind
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Speaker 1: of getting excited about all of that stuff. Was was
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Speaker 1: really really cool and I can't wait to get back
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Speaker 1: down to and do some more stuff. There was a
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Speaker 1: line at one point to get photographs with Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah. I mean it was a small line,
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Speaker 1: a line. It was a line. I'm just saying. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying the length of line. Technically, I believe in
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Speaker 1: Webster's can be two people. I'm just saying there was
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Speaker 1: a line. That's all I'm saying that was great to
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Speaker 1: see though, great to have you here and outstanding to
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Speaker 1: have you on our coverage. So let's recap the draft class. John,
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Speaker 1: are you feeling better now? I know you were. I
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Speaker 1: forget the word you used after the first round pick.
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Speaker 1: I was irritated by the reaction. Yes, more than anything.
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Speaker 1: I think Bucky and Price speak to this probably better
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Speaker 1: than I can. The level of player that Trayvon Walker is.
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Speaker 1: My overall gripe was that Trayvon Walker was a perhaps
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Speaker 1: a surprise pick, and he was perhaps uh if you
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Speaker 1: had ranked the level of quote safeness out of the
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Speaker 1: top four or five, he's probably the third or fourth
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Speaker 1: safest pick. But there became this uh because of the
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Speaker 1: surprise of the pick. I'll put this way, Bucky, I
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Speaker 1: mean Bucky and JP. We went from a month ago
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Speaker 1: in the ozone. All I was getting with questions about, oh,
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Speaker 1: Hutchinson didn't do anything against Georgia. How could they take Hutchinson?
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Speaker 1: He was awful against Georgia. John Well, then they turned
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Speaker 1: around and they passed on Hutchinson for Trayvon Walker, and
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Speaker 1: it was like they took a guy from you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: Southwest Missouri state who was two hundred pounds to play
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Speaker 1: defensive end. This was not a Willie Nilly reach. And
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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, if you go out in the league bare minimum,
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Speaker 1: he was the fifth or sixth. You know, he was
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Speaker 1: gonna be a five or six pick. And I think
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Speaker 1: most consents of would Adam higher than that. So it
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Speaker 1: was just the whole idea that it was this huge reach,
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Speaker 1: this huge gamble. What in the world are they doing?
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Speaker 1: It wasn't that far out there. No, it wasn't deaf
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Speaker 1: far either. I think the big thing um and look, man,
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Speaker 1: it is one of those things where it was a
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Speaker 1: bit of a surprise because us early in the process
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Speaker 1: Trayvon's Walker's name was not tied. The conversation throughout the
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Speaker 1: fall and throughout the early part of the all season
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Speaker 1: was Aidan Hutchinson and Cabon Tipoo, Aidan Hudsonson and Cavon Tipodou.
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Speaker 1: Then it was the offensive tackles Aidan Hudsonson and Thibodeaux.
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Speaker 1: And then the late comer to the party was Trayvon Walker.
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Speaker 1: And when Trayvon Walker shows up at the combine and
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Speaker 1: blows up at the combine, then the name really started
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Speaker 1: kind of heating up when you have people kind of
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Speaker 1: tying his name into the mock drafts and the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: and those things, and so it's not really Trayvon Walker's faut.
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Speaker 1: It's not the jaguars fault. That um, the outside might
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Speaker 1: not have been prevy to what the Jaguars were thinking
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Speaker 1: when it came to how they were ranking their prospects,
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Speaker 1: but I can say prior to the combine, the night
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Speaker 1: before and talking to people, and they're talking to people
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Speaker 1: that were close to the Jaguars, Trayvon Walker's name came up,
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Speaker 1: and they came up. It came up in terms of
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Speaker 1: his athleticism, his explosiveness and those things. And in fact
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Speaker 1: I challenged them on how could you say that this
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Speaker 1: guy is the best one in the draft when he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the production And they said, you watched the take.
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Speaker 1: The traits are there. You look at the explosionist, the
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Speaker 1: way he puts the splitting the ground changes, the rextins
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Speaker 1: and all those things. He hasn't been asked to be
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Speaker 1: a guy that goes and hunts the quarterback and so
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't necessarily ding him. And so that came from
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Speaker 1: a round table of D line coaches where I'm like, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what about Hutchinson? What about this guy?
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Speaker 1: What about that guy? And they all to a man
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Speaker 1: pointed out that Trayvon Walker was the guy, and so um,
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Speaker 1: even though I felt like I was like I was
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Speaker 1: kind of blown away by the information back then and
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Speaker 1: I was still real slow to warm to it, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise in NFL circles that this guy was
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Speaker 1: heating up, and so ultimately he'll get a chance to
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Speaker 1: prove it. And we should have probably more of a
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Speaker 1: positive or neutral to positive outlooked in a negative one
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Speaker 1: because we haven't seen him play and we haven't seen
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Speaker 1: the role that they're gonna put him in. What's his bucky?
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Speaker 1: Is it not a negative? Not Trayvon Walker? But say,
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Speaker 1: for example, he doesn't become a big sack guy. And
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Speaker 1: now by big sack guy, I mean you know a
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Speaker 1: twelve a year where you're thinking of him as both
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever gonna be that guy,
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Speaker 1: but what's his worst case scenario outside of that? Like,
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Speaker 1: who can he be if if he's not that? Because
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Speaker 1: I maintained he can still be worth that pick even
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Speaker 1: if it's not just monster sack leaning League in sacks
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Speaker 1: every year, So there are a couple of different ways
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Speaker 1: and he's not the same player. But I would say
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Speaker 1: that from an impact standpoint, if he never develops the
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Speaker 1: pass for his skills, there's no reason to think that
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Speaker 1: he can't have the similar impact to Javan Clowney and
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Speaker 1: what Jadevian Clowney and what he was able to do
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Speaker 1: with the Houston Texas. If you look at Jadevian Clowney,
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Speaker 1: Jadevion Clowney, maybe this year was the first year that
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Speaker 1: he got over double digit SAX and I'm being loose
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Speaker 1: with that, but I know he didn't have double digit
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Speaker 1: sex up until this season. Um, he was a guy
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Speaker 1: that was disruptive, though, on the backside of j A.
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Speaker 1: Watt just destroying the run here, going to multiple Pro Bowls,
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Speaker 1: being a run destroy being able to accumulate a ton
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Speaker 1: of tackles for loss and those things. And so the
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Speaker 1: coordinators have to account for him for five, six, seven
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Speaker 1: years when you were there, Yeah, I mean, like you
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Speaker 1: you have to pay attention because he was so explosive
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Speaker 1: and disrupt if he would just completely blow up the
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Speaker 1: running game. Um, as a boiler in the China shop,
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Speaker 1: off the edge, Trayvon Walker can maybe be the same
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Speaker 1: heavy handed coming off the edge, being able to stack,
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Speaker 1: being able to kind of move and maneuver and blow
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Speaker 1: it up. Yes, then remember this, this division is one
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Speaker 1: that features big time bill cow running backs. You have
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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry in Tennessee, you have Jonathan Taylor in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: And even though the league is shifting to a past
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Speaker 1: centric focus, you still gotta be able to stop the run.
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Speaker 1: And so everything that we've heard, even in listening to
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Speaker 1: the coaches at the press, that they talked about we
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Speaker 1: gotta stop the run, we gotta be physical, we gotta
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Speaker 1: impose our will. What Traymon Walkers certainly fits the bill
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Speaker 1: and checks the boxes when you ask the kind of
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Speaker 1: players that you want to assemble on defense. And so
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Speaker 1: we have to kind of keep a broad range of view.
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Speaker 1: It's easy to look at stats and sacks and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: this guy's have an impact on the game, but we
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Speaker 1: have to look and kind of feel his presence. If
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Speaker 1: we feel his presence based on the way he's blowing
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Speaker 1: up the run and those things, it's a positive. Especially
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Speaker 1: in this division. We know how important to run is.
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Speaker 1: In the a f C South with those other teams
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Speaker 1: and those running backs and JP I never were moving on.
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Speaker 1: But that's not just I looked to multiple people since
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Speaker 1: the draft. You say he has the skills to be
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Speaker 1: a pass rush I'm not saying that he won't be
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Speaker 1: that guy. When I ask that question, it's just, uh,
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Speaker 1: he hasn't done it yet. But everybody believes that he
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Speaker 1: has the hands, he has the quickness, he has those tools,
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Speaker 1: just has to develop them. It's gonna go see it
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Speaker 1: and that's why they're gonna focus someone outside linebacker to
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Speaker 1: begin things. The Devin Lloyd pick was, you know, fantastic
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Speaker 1: right when it happened, the big trade to move up
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Speaker 1: three picks, moved up into the twenty seventh overall selection,
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Speaker 1: major surprise, make that pick, and here we go. I
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Speaker 1: mean after reviewing this a few days, Uh, my excitement
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Speaker 1: has not waned at all. I think it's grown. In fact,
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Speaker 1: since the draft. Bucky about what he can bring to
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Speaker 1: a defense. Yes, on the field, but in time, once
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Speaker 1: he gets established in the league, what he can bring
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Speaker 1: off the field for this Jaguars defense and this team
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Speaker 1: as a whole. I like this pick a whole whole lot.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to La about the pick um.
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Speaker 1: You know a couple of things and this includes uh
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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. Uh. The Jaguars really made a considered effort
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Speaker 1: to talk about football character, and I think it's important
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Speaker 1: that we distinguished football characters as opposed to more character.
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Speaker 1: More character is like doing right and wrong and all
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Speaker 1: those things that you do in life. Football character is
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Speaker 1: about like your work ethic, your toughness, your amendment level
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Speaker 1: to being a great football player. Is the energy and
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Speaker 1: effort that you bring to the field each and every day,
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Speaker 1: and how the energy and effort impacts your teammate. Well,
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Speaker 1: when you're in autom in the first round and you're
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Speaker 1: able to get a player who impacts the game like
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Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd has been able to impact the game where
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Speaker 1: his team at Utah, it speaks volumes. And I think
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone we're talking about Trayvon Walker's inability to
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Speaker 1: get to the quarterback or he hasn't put up big numbers. Well,
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Speaker 1: one thing that they haven't said is Den Lloyd is
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Speaker 1: the guy that gets to the quarterback. Uh. In two seasons,
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Speaker 1: he's had over six and a half LUs sacks um
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Speaker 1: and in each of those years and he's been able
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Speaker 1: to do it in a variety of ways, where it's
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Speaker 1: coming off the edge with his hand down, where it's
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Speaker 1: coming from the second level. On blitzes, he gets to
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. And the other thing that he does is
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Speaker 1: he is always around the ball. Look at the number
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Speaker 1: of interceptions, look at the attackles for laws, just a
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Speaker 1: number of disruptive plays. He's a guy who makes a
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Speaker 1: ton of splash plays. The comparison and I think it's
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Speaker 1: a very good comparison um to Darius Leonard is real.
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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard's impact on the Coast defense has been a
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Speaker 1: game changer. And so if Devin Lloyd can give the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars any of that, man, sign me up. Because this
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Speaker 1: is a player that he can be a monster, and
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Speaker 1: just depending on how they're gonna blitz and how they're
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Speaker 1: going to deploy him, I think he is going to
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Speaker 1: be a guy of it quickly not only becomes like
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Speaker 1: one of the leaders of the defense, but I think
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Speaker 1: he may be the most impact will play on the
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Speaker 1: defense based on the way that he's able to kind
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Speaker 1: of generate those slash quickly. John the stats from last
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Speaker 1: year hundred eleven tackles, twenty two tackles for loss, seven sacks,
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Speaker 1: four interceptions, six passes, defense, two touchdowns. Uh fum will recover.
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Speaker 1: I mean the guys all over the place. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I said it all weekend. I think this guy is
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Speaker 1: going to immediately be a star in this town. He's
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Speaker 1: got that personality that is easy to embrace. This fan
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Speaker 1: base is gonna love And that's not why you take
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Speaker 1: a guy like that. But I'm just trying to sort
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Speaker 1: of give the context of I think what this guy
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Speaker 1: is gonna be. Um. If this team gets good around
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, around what's going on. Uh, Devin Lloyd has
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Speaker 1: all the makings of being one of the faces of
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Speaker 1: the franchise for the next however number of years. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't sure about the pick when I first really saw it,
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Speaker 1: because it was a quick reaction. I had thought they
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Speaker 1: might move up to get receiver there. I kind of
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Speaker 1: wanted to ask Bucky about that. It seemed to me,
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Speaker 1: once I looked back at the draft, Buck, that the
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Speaker 1: receivers that you really felt good about to trade up for,
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Speaker 1: we're already gone at that point. I think they felt
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Speaker 1: differently about receiver than a lot of us did. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Outside anyway, But even if they had sort of had
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Speaker 1: in the back of their mind going and get into one.
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Speaker 1: It seemed like it was too far to move up
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Speaker 1: to get in that group. But I sort of think
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Speaker 1: that they liked this even over that, if that makes
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Speaker 1: any sense. Yeah, I do believe they like this over that.
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Speaker 1: And I believe a couple of things to talk about
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Speaker 1: your receiver question quickly, um guys that come out of
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Speaker 1: this system, Doug Peterson, Andy Reid, Mike Holgren having been
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Speaker 1: up in Green Bay, UM, I mean San Francisco, that
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Speaker 1: the originators of the system believe that you do not
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Speaker 1: need a level players on the perimeter for this system
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Speaker 1: to work, and work at a high level major that's
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Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, it's it's a major factor. Like yeah, ideally, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you can have a Jerry Rice type to be
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Speaker 1: able to do it, great. But if you go back
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Speaker 1: and look at um, Mic Homegroom and the Packers and
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Speaker 1: when they went to the Super Bowl, when Doug Peterson
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Speaker 1: and I were there, it was Robert Brooks, it was
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Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman, uh, Andrea Risen came later, but it wasn't
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Speaker 1: there wasn't a cast of stars. Go back and look
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Speaker 1: at the Kansas City Chiefs teams that Doug Peterson was
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinated with when Andy Reid was there. Those wide
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Speaker 1: receivers were just guys. It wasn't like high level star players.
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Speaker 1: They were effective, They work within the system and it
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Speaker 1: was great. Even in looking at how Doug won the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Philadelphia, those receivers were not Markey top
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Speaker 1: five receivers. And so the system creates opportunities and if
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Speaker 1: the quarterback is efficient and effective, the offense works. And
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Speaker 1: so with that, uh in mind, I'm sure that had
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Speaker 1: been talked about inside those rooms. Um, and we got
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Speaker 1: Christen Kirby has eight Jones with Marvin Jones. That triumphant
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Speaker 1: is good enough for us to get it done. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's focus on building up the defense because the defense
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Speaker 1: has to play at a level to give you an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to win games. And so with Devin Lloyd being
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Speaker 1: able to come in there, having tradmon Walker, and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna mention Chad Muma along with Devin Lloyd because I
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Speaker 1: think they come in pairs. Um, Chad movement as impressive
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Speaker 1: as Devin Lloyd stat line is. Chad moment stat line
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Speaker 1: is just as impressive. And when you think about the
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Speaker 1: kind of player that I believe he is. He was
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Speaker 1: a top five player that I ranked at as an
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Speaker 1: off the ball linebacker. He's a player that is very
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Speaker 1: comparable to Logan Wilson, who plays in Cincinnati, was a
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Speaker 1: starter on the team that went to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: I would say that this guy is even better in
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Speaker 1: certain aspects, and so I don't know how they're gonna
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Speaker 1: get him on the field. But the combination of Devin
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Speaker 1: Lloyd and Chad MoMA, like if you could have told
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Speaker 1: me that before the draft, I was like, that's a
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Speaker 1: wish list for a defensive coordinator. You got two instinctive,
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Speaker 1: active guys that can do a variety of different things
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Speaker 1: against the run and pass, and they're both high football
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Speaker 1: I Q guys, Bucky, Um, how will they get those
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Speaker 1: two guys in the field they can play together? I
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Speaker 1: asked you about this after the draft because think it's
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Speaker 1: it's a big point. I agree with you with these
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Speaker 1: two guys. Uh, They all of a sudden look faster
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Speaker 1: and more athletic defensively to me, And it's been a
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Speaker 1: long time since you could say that. Um, But it
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Speaker 1: feels to me like the versatility of Uh, Trayvon Walker
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Speaker 1: and of these two linebackers completely changes that the dynamic
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Speaker 1: of this defense where we could look back on this
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Speaker 1: draft as a key turning point for this defense. But
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Speaker 1: how do they get all those guys on the field
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Speaker 1: to matter at the same time creativity and so a
15:48
Speaker 1: lot of this will tap into the creativity of the
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Speaker 1: defensive staff. Um Mike always has to look and see
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Speaker 1: all the different tool sets that he has available, and
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Speaker 1: then he has to figure out what dominations cannot put
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Speaker 1: on the field. And so we're so conditioned to think
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Speaker 1: about defenses in four or three and three or four terms,
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Speaker 1: but the game is played in sub packages. So now
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Speaker 1: normally when we think of sub packages, we traditionally think
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Speaker 1: of four down linemen, two linebackers, five dbs. That's your
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Speaker 1: standard four man nickel package. Well, there's some teams that
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Speaker 1: are being creative where you go three, three, five, three
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Speaker 1: d lineman, three linebackers, five dbs. Sometimes you may want
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Speaker 1: to go to four or five where you have two
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Speaker 1: d lineman, you have four line linebackers that can move
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Speaker 1: around and kind of prowl and do a bunch of
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Speaker 1: different things, and then you have five dbs and what
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Speaker 1: you want to do is you can run the same
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Speaker 1: basically what I call blitz patterns with different personnel on
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Speaker 1: the field and give the offense a different look while
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Speaker 1: keeping it fairly simple for your guys. You just interchanging
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Speaker 1: the pieces um that you're using. So I think you
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Speaker 1: have to tap into the creativity. But I would expect
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Speaker 1: to see the three linebackers that have been acquired in
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Speaker 1: the off season, the marquee free agent sign and in
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Speaker 1: the two draft picks. They have to be on the
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Speaker 1: field in those critical downs because those guys are in
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Speaker 1: BacT players. He got them for a reason. JP. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I gotta play at some point. I mean, especially that
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Speaker 1: high uh in the draft. This is the Huddle Up
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Speaker 1: Podcast JP, Shaddrick, Bucky Brooks, and John Osier. Check out
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Speaker 1: the rest of our draft coverage on Jaguars dot Com,
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Speaker 1: including Luke Fortner, Snoop Connor, Gregory Jr. And Montark Brown.
17:29
Speaker 1: The other Jaguars draft picks, and a listing of all
17:32
Speaker 1: the undrafted players who have been signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
17:35
Speaker 1: Some other news this week, Cam Robinson signed his extension.
17:39
Speaker 1: His reaction and a media conference call earlier this week,
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Speaker 1: it kind of shows me to you know, everything I've
17:45
Speaker 1: been putting into this. It's you know, it's kind of
17:47
Speaker 1: starting to come to fruition. It's kind of starting to
17:48
Speaker 1: pay off. Um, far from from where I want to be,
17:51
Speaker 1: but you know, it's definitely I think we can. I
17:54
Speaker 1: think I can myself as a player and knows as
17:55
Speaker 1: a team, take it even take it even higher and
17:57
Speaker 1: just kind of continue to build on where we're starting
18:00
Speaker 1: this year. So, I mean, I'm just excited and from
18:02
Speaker 1: my family, Okay, I mean, it's hard for me to
18:04
Speaker 1: even put it into words. You know, it's a blessing.
18:07
Speaker 1: This is the things you've been working toward since you
18:09
Speaker 1: were you know, I'm saying a kid playing in little
18:11
Speaker 1: league or whenever you start playing the game. So, I mean,
18:14
Speaker 1: it's kind of surreal, but it's definitely an awesome moment
18:17
Speaker 1: from myself and my family. Cam Robinson and the the Jaguars
18:19
Speaker 1: left tackle another three years. Pro Football Talk had the
18:23
Speaker 1: breakdown of the contract. The signing bonus of fifteen million,
18:27
Speaker 1: the base salary this year, two million full year, and
18:30
Speaker 1: teed so that opens up some cap space. Uh, there's
18:33
Speaker 1: a per game roster bonus of seven hundred forty four
18:36
Speaker 1: grand a game. Apparently, base salary next year of sixteen
18:40
Speaker 1: million workout bonuses. I mean, all this stuff adds up,
18:44
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's certainly certainly has he had a big
18:47
Speaker 1: smile on his face, Bucky, that's for sure. So uh
18:50
Speaker 1: So it's solidified he's gonna be here the next few
18:53
Speaker 1: years and you can build some things on the offensive
18:56
Speaker 1: line around him Bucky. Yeah, you can't build things of
19:00
Speaker 1: on to him. And I think they've done a really
19:01
Speaker 1: good job of building up this offensive line. Uh you
19:03
Speaker 1: look at resigning Cam uh fre agency, bringing over rent
19:07
Speaker 1: as Shuff, the draft, Luke Forward coming over. They've made
19:11
Speaker 1: it a point to give Trevor Lawrence enough protection for
19:16
Speaker 1: him to do what he wants to do. Uh in
19:18
Speaker 1: the pocket, and they also be able to run the football.
19:20
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson was critical because he's played in the level
19:23
Speaker 1: that you don't want to let that kind of production
19:25
Speaker 1: and talent walk out of the door. Now, I would
19:28
Speaker 1: say the challenges can you take it up and not
19:31
Speaker 1: you play at all star level. It's one thing to
19:33
Speaker 1: play as a high end starter, to play on a
19:35
Speaker 1: franchise tag and earn your money. It's another thing to
19:37
Speaker 1: take your game up to where you perform at an
19:39
Speaker 1: all star level. But the Jaguars to be the team
19:41
Speaker 1: that they want to be down the line, he has
19:44
Speaker 1: to play at an all star level, something I probably overlooked.
19:47
Speaker 1: J p h And I'm not sure. We talked about
19:51
Speaker 1: it a whole lot this weekend. But after you sort
19:54
Speaker 1: of let the draft resonate a little bit, Um, you
19:58
Speaker 1: look back in the entire off season, and I thought
20:00
Speaker 1: they might go offense a little bit more in the draft.
20:03
Speaker 1: But then when you look at the draft and free agency,
20:07
Speaker 1: you signed to wide receivers, signed Christian Kirkin's a Jones,
20:10
Speaker 1: You signed Evan Ingram, you signed Brandon Schurf. So uh, Sheriff,
20:15
Speaker 1: I apologize, Um, well everybody all the questions I get
20:20
Speaker 1: or why didn't they help Travery? Why didn't help Trevor? Um?
20:24
Speaker 1: To me, it's pretty clear now in retrospect, you helped
20:27
Speaker 1: Trevor with veteran guys. You put veteran guys around the
20:32
Speaker 1: young quarterback. Uh. That's a little different than a lot
20:35
Speaker 1: of teams build. Some teams believe you build your offense
20:39
Speaker 1: with youth and let it come together grows. Yeah, but
20:43
Speaker 1: we've sort of seen that approach around here. We're trying
20:46
Speaker 1: to get young guys to collectively grow. Without that experience,
20:49
Speaker 1: it doesn't it Sonimes doesn't work. It didn't work for
20:51
Speaker 1: the offense when they tried to do it thirteen fourteen ish,
20:54
Speaker 1: you know, with three wide receivers and young Blake and
20:57
Speaker 1: they never quite came together. Uh. When I say an
21:00
Speaker 1: experience was why Maybe he was talent whatever, but the
21:03
Speaker 1: point being they clearly taking the approach of putting veteran
21:06
Speaker 1: guys around the young quarterback. That was their approach to
21:10
Speaker 1: help him, as opposed to, uh, you know, a young
21:14
Speaker 1: left tackle and a young one wide receiver. Everybody's trying
21:16
Speaker 1: to develop it once he had a bunch of kids,
21:18
Speaker 1: raw kids making mistakes, and then they built on defense.
21:21
Speaker 1: I've got to think that now going forward, they hope
21:25
Speaker 1: to be building this thing together for a long time.
21:28
Speaker 1: As time moves on and Trevor gets to your three,
21:31
Speaker 1: then I think you'll start seeing them bring a young
21:34
Speaker 1: players in around him once he gets the ability to
21:37
Speaker 1: carry young guys. Maybe that's how they'll approach it. But
21:41
Speaker 1: I think there's something to that, Bucky. I think they
21:44
Speaker 1: wanted to bring in veterans to help the young guy
21:47
Speaker 1: as opposed to rookies to be around the young guy.
21:52
Speaker 1: The writer. The writer is pretty smart over there. The
21:56
Speaker 1: writer is pretty smart because because the observation, the observation
22:03
Speaker 1: is a good one, and I will expand upon the
22:05
Speaker 1: observation and say this. The younger the quarterback, the more
22:10
Speaker 1: experienced around the quarterback for him to develop. Trevor Lawrence
22:13
Speaker 1: is on a path. When you take a quarterback like that,
22:16
Speaker 1: what you hope is they start their NFL career as
22:18
Speaker 1: a game manager and they evolve into being the playmaker.
22:23
Speaker 1: And so as he's going through the evolution of being
22:26
Speaker 1: a game manager, the early part of the game management
22:28
Speaker 1: people where he's learning the game, how to manage the
22:30
Speaker 1: game and do those things, you want experience around him
22:34
Speaker 1: because the most important thing you want to give him
22:36
Speaker 1: is stability, and that stability comes in the form of reliability. Dependability,
22:42
Speaker 1: so we can develop trust. Okay, this receiver is gonna
22:45
Speaker 1: run the route at twelve yards, I'm gonna drop back
22:47
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw it to this spot. And this
22:48
Speaker 1: receiver is going to do that because I can trust
22:50
Speaker 1: that as an as a veteran, he's going to do
22:53
Speaker 1: exactly what's been uh talked about in the huddle in
22:57
Speaker 1: meeting rooms. As Trevor evolves two year, three, four or five,
23:01
Speaker 1: and as the money changes based on how he performs,
23:04
Speaker 1: as he becomes a forty million dollar quarterback and you're
23:08
Speaker 1: entrusting more to him to be the driving force of
23:12
Speaker 1: the offense. Then you bring young guys in because they're younger,
23:15
Speaker 1: they're cheaper. But then it's on him to help those
23:18
Speaker 1: guys developed by putting the ball consistently in the strikes
23:22
Speaker 1: on tutoring them, telling them this is how I want
23:25
Speaker 1: those routes to be run, etcetera, etcetera. So John is
23:28
Speaker 1: absolutely right in terms of the process and how it
23:31
Speaker 1: should go, and that's what you're seeing Doug Peterson. Remember,
23:35
Speaker 1: we have more quarterback gurus around now that not only
23:39
Speaker 1: coach it, but have played it and played it between
23:41
Speaker 1: the lines at the NFL level. They understand the challenges
23:46
Speaker 1: that are associated with that when you don't have trustworthy
23:49
Speaker 1: guys on the perimeter and in front, because it makes
23:53
Speaker 1: life harder for the quarterback and I have to manage
23:55
Speaker 1: everything when he can't. He can't just go through and
23:57
Speaker 1: play and play free and loose. There is no shorts
24:00
Speaker 1: of quarterback guru in the building. You got that right.
24:05
Speaker 1: Let you say that again. They have cornered the mark
24:07
Speaker 1: they have. The Jaguars are future focused and ready for
24:11
Speaker 1: a new look in join us in the bank this
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24:29
Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osan,
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Speaker 1: The Daily's Place schedule red hot this week. John will
24:36
Speaker 1: be at probably all of these Thursday May five, Tim
24:39
Speaker 1: McGraw Friday May six, Erica badouin Friends Saturday May seventh,
24:43
Speaker 1: The Offspring Sunday May eight. The time tickets and information
24:48
Speaker 1: at Daily's Place dot Com time him. They said, time
24:54
Speaker 1: like Morris Day back in the day, that we're bringing
24:59
Speaker 1: in purple. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, Yeah, You're
25:06
Speaker 1: just you're gonna be the offspring. John. I I was
25:09
Speaker 1: intrigued by it, and you know, they were a little
25:13
Speaker 1: past my era. I liked some of their songs. I
25:17
Speaker 1: can't see going to the whole show it. I like
25:19
Speaker 1: the Offspring. I don't know if that's my scene. Okay,
25:23
Speaker 1: well you go. There's more concerts to come this summer
25:25
Speaker 1: and spring. Looking forward a big time rush about later
25:28
Speaker 1: in June time. I think we all are. The Jaguars
25:34
Speaker 1: have added a player from the International Pipeline IO. Oh yeah,
25:39
Speaker 1: Lol is joining the Jaguars via the International Player Pathway program.
25:45
Speaker 1: He was introduced to football at the University of Nottingham
25:47
Speaker 1: and the UK. Graduated in twenties twenty with a law
25:50
Speaker 1: Degree's twenty three years old. Was in the Player Pathway
25:54
Speaker 1: training phase, but not allocated in one. He was in
25:58
Speaker 1: the CFL last year on a practice squad. Bucky, you
26:02
Speaker 1: know a little more about this program, I think then
26:04
Speaker 1: a lot of folks might. Honestly, I honestly didn't really
26:08
Speaker 1: realize this was a thing. The Jaguars have this guy
26:11
Speaker 1: here in the offseason. He has the chance now to
26:13
Speaker 1: be on the practice squad as an extra practice squad
26:16
Speaker 1: member in the regular season. Yeah, Like, teams jump on
26:20
Speaker 1: this because it gives you the opportunity to have an
26:21
Speaker 1: extra player on your roster and it doesn't really cost
26:24
Speaker 1: you anything. And so now you get an extra body. Um,
26:26
Speaker 1: it allows you to kind of free up some things
26:28
Speaker 1: when it comes to you veteran players, maybe you don't
26:30
Speaker 1: have to text him as much on scout team while
26:32
Speaker 1: maybe developing an international player. This International Pathway program, it's
26:36
Speaker 1: part of a big initiative for the league to grow
26:39
Speaker 1: the game globally, and so in the UK there is
26:43
Speaker 1: an International Academy where guys from foreign countries come together
26:47
Speaker 1: and they work with NFL caliber coaches to develop their skills, um,
26:51
Speaker 1: to become ready, uh to make the interests into the league.
26:56
Speaker 1: Through this program. Some of these guys have been up,
26:59
Speaker 1: uh they've been tested like combine tested and all this
27:02
Speaker 1: other stuff, so they could be potential draft picks or
27:04
Speaker 1: they come into the league like this. We've seen other guys.
27:07
Speaker 1: Um there's a rugby player Christian Wade who went up
27:11
Speaker 1: to Buffalo a season go had an opportunity. All these
27:14
Speaker 1: guys are kind of the international players that we're seeing.
27:16
Speaker 1: We've seen a handful of success stories with this program.
27:19
Speaker 1: So it's really really big and as the league continues
27:21
Speaker 1: to grow and expand globally, we will see more guys
27:24
Speaker 1: get opportunities. And this International Pathway program is an interest
27:29
Speaker 1: way into the national football But you said off the air,
27:33
Speaker 1: it's really become big or there is a movement for
27:36
Speaker 1: the Nigerian players. Correct, Yeah, So NFL Africa just announced
27:40
Speaker 1: that they're um going to do some things. Uh they're
27:44
Speaker 1: like maybe putting an academy and really mind the talent.
27:47
Speaker 1: Osi Uman Eura is a big part of that program.
27:50
Speaker 1: But if you just look at the draft and look
27:51
Speaker 1: at some of the guys that have come through the
27:53
Speaker 1: last two years, you've seen a pipeline of Nigerian descendant
27:57
Speaker 1: players go to make their way. Much like Yana and
28:00
Speaker 1: Gokway has success in the league. There a ton of
28:03
Speaker 1: Nigerians that are beginning to impact the league and so
28:07
Speaker 1: um the league has expanded and they're looking to see
28:11
Speaker 1: if they're more they can make opportunity to create more
28:13
Speaker 1: opportunities for those guys to make it to the league.
28:16
Speaker 1: And so it's really been a great thing. As a
28:17
Speaker 1: game is growing and growing globally, we're seeing more guys
28:21
Speaker 1: have access to the game and that's a good thing,
28:22
Speaker 1: you know, something the leagues had to do because it's
28:24
Speaker 1: it's it's such a different sport to try to grow
28:28
Speaker 1: internationally than baseball or basketball because of all the where
28:33
Speaker 1: do you find competition to play for players. It's a
28:36
Speaker 1: hard thing to play. It's not going to happen just
28:40
Speaker 1: organically without help from up top. So uh, you know,
28:45
Speaker 1: credit to the league, and it's it's starting to move quickly.
28:48
Speaker 1: So congratulations to defensive back Io oh yea Low Low.
28:51
Speaker 1: He will join the Jaguars actually for rookie Minicamp next weekend.
28:54
Speaker 1: He'll be on the field with the rookies. Can still
28:57
Speaker 1: run around a little bit. By the way, The league
28:59
Speaker 1: had their international games announcement earlier on Wednesday, including the
29:03
Speaker 1: Jaguars hosting the Denver Broncos. That's at nine thirty Eastern
29:07
Speaker 1: time October. That's officially one thirty London time. The time
29:11
Speaker 1: falls back in London on that day, the final Sunday
29:14
Speaker 1: of October each year. So former Jaguars offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett,
29:19
Speaker 1: now the head coach of the Broncos, Russell Wilson coming
29:22
Speaker 1: to Wembley to face the Jags, and uh, it's out there,
29:25
Speaker 1: it's announced now. So looking forward to being back at Wembley, John, Yeah,
29:28
Speaker 1: and uh maybe I will be. I realized this morning
29:32
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this game. I think it's
29:35
Speaker 1: been since twenty nineteen that I've been to Wembley, so
29:37
Speaker 1: that was money. We didn't do it because COVID. It
29:39
Speaker 1: was the Texans game and the Jaguars turned the ball
29:42
Speaker 1: over on the final four possessions of the game, trying
29:44
Speaker 1: to fight back against the Texans. Yeah, that was one
29:48
Speaker 1: of many pleasant memories from that year. But um, but
29:52
Speaker 1: it it would be good to be back. I mean
29:54
Speaker 1: it's uh, I didn't go this last year. Did you
29:56
Speaker 1: go this year? None of none of us went. Um,
30:00
Speaker 1: so back in London, I'm I'm assuming I'll be back.
30:03
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to You think Bucky the Broncos, Jaguars,
30:07
Speaker 1: the Adam gots this revenge game again. I mean, you
30:10
Speaker 1: know he was a Bronco before he was the Jaguar.
30:12
Speaker 1: He resigned with the Jags, by the way. Yeah, this
30:15
Speaker 1: is ah, this is interesting. It to be interesting because
30:17
Speaker 1: you get opportunity to go against Russell Wilson and see
30:19
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. See this high powered team that
30:22
Speaker 1: people are celebrating. Some f touted as a team that
30:25
Speaker 1: might be worthy of Super Bowl consideration. So it'd be
30:28
Speaker 1: a great test. It would be another measuring state game.
30:30
Speaker 1: It would be a chance to kind of see it. Uh,
30:33
Speaker 1: across the pond. See what it looks like. It's the
30:35
Speaker 1: Nate Hacket is the Nate Hackett game. And uh yeah,
30:39
Speaker 1: by Nay Hackett. I'm excited for Nate. I mean it.
30:45
Speaker 1: Nate always have music around, because I saw that. He
30:47
Speaker 1: says he can't run a practice without music being around.
30:50
Speaker 1: He has to have the energy. In the book, there
30:52
Speaker 1: was music. There was music. So yeah, there was music.
30:56
Speaker 1: It was music. You couldn't hear yourself think on the
30:58
Speaker 1: practice field here, so yes, there music. The other international
31:06
Speaker 1: games two more games in London earlier than the Jaguars
31:09
Speaker 1: October two, the Vikings and the Saints at Spurs and
31:12
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Packers also at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
31:15
Speaker 1: That's on October nine. And then a game of Munich
31:18
Speaker 1: at Allien's Arena, home of FC Bayern Munich. It's November
31:23
Speaker 1: and it's the Seahawks and the Buccaneers. And then in
31:26
Speaker 1: Mexico City November twenty one on Monday Night football at
31:31
Speaker 1: a Stadio as Teca. It's the forty nine Ers and
31:33
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. So five international games this year, and of
31:36
Speaker 1: course the Jaguars are back at Wembley Stadium later. The
31:39
Speaker 1: better in the season London for a j P That's
31:41
Speaker 1: just always been my thing. There was one year they
31:46
Speaker 1: had it like two weeks four Thanksgiving. Some reason I
31:49
Speaker 1: loved that. I don't know. I don't know why. Now
31:51
Speaker 1: we'll see when the bye week is a lot of
31:53
Speaker 1: times it's right after the London game. The official schedule
31:56
Speaker 1: comes out May twelve years. I've heard it's the lock.
32:00
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a guarantee. And the one
32:02
Speaker 1: year that the Jaguars played after it, they played in
32:05
Speaker 1: New York the next week against the Jets and lost
32:08
Speaker 1: an overtime to the Jets. But that was the year
32:11
Speaker 1: they made the NFC Championship games. Yes it was, Yes,
32:14
Speaker 1: it was. That was probably why. That's yeah, they didn't
32:18
Speaker 1: have to buy it. It might have been, uh, coming
32:20
Speaker 1: up Jaguars Happy Hour Thursday. Ashelan Sullivan in this week
32:24
Speaker 1: for the show Tomorrow Night, Bucky, what you got coming
32:26
Speaker 1: up now? Drafts over what happens now? Well, finishing up
32:30
Speaker 1: the last few shows, a path to the draft and
32:32
Speaker 1: so you know you got a standpoint. Just finished strong
32:35
Speaker 1: and it make sure we finished past the finish line
32:38
Speaker 1: the right way. And then after that, guys Mini Camp
32:41
Speaker 1: season's time to go to minicamp. Let go make some
32:43
Speaker 1: appearances as mini camps. He was going on, see how
32:46
Speaker 1: the young guys are progressing. And then you get the O, T,
32:49
Speaker 1: A S and all that other stuff, and then we
32:50
Speaker 1: get the official Veterans mini camp at the end. Now,
32:53
Speaker 1: this Bucky is John Osan's favorite part of the NFL offseason,
32:58
Speaker 1: the month ahead of There's nothing I love more than
33:00
Speaker 1: a good ot a practice. But I I love it.
33:04
Speaker 1: I love it. John. You know it's surprised. I might
33:06
Speaker 1: just I just might. I might just pop up out
33:08
Speaker 1: the ground just so I can see. I would love
33:11
Speaker 1: to see you. We would talk, but come on, yeah,
33:16
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. But on the field, it's a
33:19
Speaker 1: classroom time a year. You're not Oh no, John, John,
33:24
Speaker 1: you didn't become you become an a level writer by
33:26
Speaker 1: not writing. I'm a better writer by writing every day.
33:29
Speaker 1: It's the same thing in football. The only way you
33:31
Speaker 1: can get a football is doing football. To put your
33:34
Speaker 1: feet in the grass, sir, come on, okay, grass is okay,
33:39
Speaker 1: grass is you come on, the grass is your classroom.
33:42
Speaker 1: We gotta get him out there, get him going. Okay,
33:44
Speaker 1: I'll look I'll look for maybe you can teach me
33:47
Speaker 1: something tonight on it. It's always possible, or it's actually
33:51
Speaker 1: very possible. Come on, like, we get out there, bring
33:54
Speaker 1: your cleats, bring your cleats, we'll go to ot a
33:56
Speaker 1: friends with a cleat, so ready to go. Imagine John Os,
33:59
Speaker 1: you're wearing clee like, probably that's what we're ready to go.
34:04
Speaker 1: Never know there would be a slip and fall accident
34:07
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