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Asylums: 0 Stars, Do Not Recommend · Brews With Boos

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Hey there, my little ghosties! Welcome to Brews with Boo's, the podcast where
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we talk about ghost, dark history, haunted places, and humanity's long,
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proud tradition of making absolutely
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fucked up decisions and then acting shocked when it all goes to shit.
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I'm Krissy. I'll be your guide through the paranormal, some historical,
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the deeply who-the-fuck-approved-this corners of our past.
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And before we go any further, let's set some expectations.
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This is not a serious person podcast. I am not a serious person. I swear, a lot.
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I make jokes at inappropriate times. I cope with things with humor.
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And if you're looking for a soft, soothing voice whispering respectfully into
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the microphone like we're in some library after hours.
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This is not the podcast and I am not that girl.
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This is Brews with Boo's. We drink, we swear, we learn things,
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we say what the fuck with our full chest.
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So tonight, I actually am drinking a beer called the Lunchbox Legend.
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This comes from a brewery around me that is More Brewing Company, kind of by Huntley.
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Actually, no, it's exactly in Huntley, Illinois. And this is a peanut butter
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and jelly-inspired sour ale. Now, I know what you're thinking.
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That sounds absolutely fucking disgusting. What are you doing to yourself?
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Don't get me wrong when I first heard it I was like oh
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why and then
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I tried it and you guys this thing is so good it is so good I don't know though
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I find it a little weird they were able to make the liquid kind of taste like
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bread but I am not going to think about that right now you know it just feels
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right for what we're going to be talking about takes me back to simpler days when I was a kid.
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So what we're going to do, we're going to be talking about some haunted history
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and some bad human decisions.
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And if you're listening, I want you to grab a drink too. It could be alcohol,
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it could be water, coffee, energy drink.
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Just choose yourself an emotional support beverage, whatever you've got.
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There's no pressure. There's no judgment.
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There might be some judgment, but this is a safe space for hydration and poor choices.
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So every episode, I'm going to grab a drink.
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Or a few. And we are going to dig into haunted locations, dark history,
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cults, some paranormal bullshit, and maybe some medical practices that should
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have came with a morning and a lifetime ban after they happened.
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Our vibe here we got going on is a late night bar conversation with a friend
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who did way too much research and now cannot shut up about it. You know the one.
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You thought you were grabbing one drink and suddenly you're learning about Victorian
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lobotomies and asking yourself, like, when did this become my life and how did I get here?
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Hi, it's me. I'm the friend. So now here's the part where I tell you why this podcast exists.
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And yes, I absolutely am that weirder on the internet, but I'm a weirdo with intention, okay?
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I started Brews with Booze because I've always been drawn to stories that make
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people uncomfortable. The ones that get skipped over.
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The ones where someone in charge made a decision and everyone else suffered
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and then we all collectively went,
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well that's just how it was back then and like we move on and honestly these
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things never really sat right with me because I care about the people in these stories. The ones who.
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Got locked away. They were ignored. They got experimented on.
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They're being labeled as difficult or hysterical or unfixable.
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And honestly, they just get forgotten.
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And I want to talk about them like they mattered.
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Because honestly, they did. But I also believe you don't need a monotone lecture
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or some dramatic documentary voice to be able to do that. You can be honest.
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You can be pissed. You can be sarcastic. You can be like, hey,
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this was fucking horrific.
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And why did nobody stop this? This podcast is where curiosity and empathy,
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but dark humor and a complete lack of chill kind of all collide into one.
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So now I'm just inviting you into it, which brings me to how this whole thing
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works because yes, this chaos does have a little bit of structure.
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Every episode has two main parts. The first step is going to be called the fuckery
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report. This is where we warm up a little bit.
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Paranormal headlines, historical nonsense, current weirdness,
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stories I kind of just stumbled across and immediately was like,
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there's no way this can be real.
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But then unfortunately, it's confirmed that it is.
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Think of it as like a little appetizer, the pregame, a shot.
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The, hey, we're just going to ease you into this kind of portion of everything.
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Then we move into what I call the long pour, and that is the main event.
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This is where we settle in, we take a few steps, and we are going to deep dive into a topic.
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One place, one institution, one story, whatever it may be, just something that
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deserves way more attention than it ever got.
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And honestly, that's where we really slow things down.
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You know, we are going to respect the lives that were involved in this,
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where we talk about the people,
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the harm, the history, and yeah, probably the hauntings that tend to follow
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and where some suffering gets locked inside of these walls, like literally for decades.
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And that brings us to tonight. The very first episode of Booze with Booze,
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and we're going to be starting with asylums, and not the aesthetic version,
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not the spooky abandoned building version, like the real history, the treatments,
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the neglect, the power trips, the absolute nightmare that was early psychiatric care.
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You know, who was sent there? Why were they sent there?
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And how fast society decided certain people were just disposable if they became inconvenient.
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You're misunderstood, or you just didn't fit the mold of what they wanted you to be.
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But before we pour that drink, take a sip of whatever you grabbed,
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let's settle in, and let's kick off this with tonight's fuckery report.
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Pot.
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All right, so let's start with something that genuinely, like when I read this,
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it was making me kind of sit back in my chair and just be like, nope, I don't like that.
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I don't like any of that because this isn't a ghost story.
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Like I'm not going to sit here and talk to you about any sort of lore or urban legend.
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You know, it's not like, hey, this happened 100 years ago, so this is fine.
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Like, this was incredibly real, and honestly, that makes this so much worse.
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So this story takes place in Massachusetts, in the mid-1980s,
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specifically 1986, for those who like that.
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And I need you to really, like, think about this for a minute,
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because this really is an ancient history.
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Like, we're talking cassette tapes and, like, really bad hair.
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This is recent enough that these people absolutely knew better than what they were doing.
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So the person at the center of this like really messed up thing is a teenager named Daniel LaPlante.
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He was born May 15th, 1970 from Townsend, Massachusetts.
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So that leaves him about roughly 16 years old when And all of this is taking place. And.
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Like already when I say that, like I literally hate saying that sentence because
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a lot of times when people hear the word teenager, their brain wants to like
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soften what's happening.
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They're just like, oh, you know, he's just a troubled, awkward,
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weird kid energy type of thing.
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Like he doesn't know. Like, no, he, well, when I get to this, he knew, he knew.
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So Danny boy here meets 15-year-old Tina Bowen over the phone, and he asks her out.
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He's like, hey, lady, let's go get some milkshakes or whatever they were doing in the 80s.
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And when she meets him in person, she realizes he literally lied about what
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he looks like, which, okay, that's shitty, but it's not unheard of.
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Unfortunately, still to this day, people are getting catfish, and
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like honestly teenagers do some really dumb
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shit but instead of being embarrassed and
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taking his L and moving on like a
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normal human being like our boy Daniel here like
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he becomes obsessed and I don't mean like I'm gonna call you too much obsessed
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I mean he starts stalking this poor girl and then this is where like I want
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you guys to really picture everything that's happening like He breaks into their family's home.
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And he doesn't steal anything. He's not vandalizing anything.
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Like, he just doesn't leave.
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Like, he ends up staying inside the walls for over a year.
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Like, I'm sorry, what? Just what?
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You're not going to go to the attic. You're not going to go to the basement
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where you have, I don't know, some space to do the creepy little shit that you're
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doing. But you're going in the walls.
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So he crawled through the crawl spaces and he was so tiny, like most people
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couldn't fit through these.
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But then he carved out hiding spots inside of their home.
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Like he lived there while the family is just like, I don't know,
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eating dinner, watching TV, sleeping, just living their lives while someone
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else was literally living around them during this.
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And the family knew something was wrong
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okay so they heard noises stuff went missing the house felt off and you know
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that feeling where you can't really like prove anything but your body is on
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like high alert and it's like danger danger we are not alone and honestly if this were me like I'd.
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Because the alternative here is so much worse. So one night in December of 1986,
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like everything finally explodes.
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Tina, she runs up to her neighbor's house and she's like hysterical.
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She's going inside. She's like, someone's in my home. Someone's in my home.
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And the police are called and her father, Frank, he's like, all right, we're going inside.
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And when they get there, like the lights are on. The radios are blasting.
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TVs are playing. Like it's absolute incredible like chaos that's going on.
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And it's, you know, just like somebody went on and like flipped every single
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fucking switch in the house just to mess with them.
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And honestly, that's pretty irresponsible.
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Like that electric pill is going to suck considering you're just like living
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rent free there. But whatever, moving on.
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So at this point, they start going room by room, checking everything because
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They're like, what is going on? Something has to be happening.
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And until they get to this closet, they open it and boom, there he is, star of the show, Mr.
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Danny Boy himself sitting there.
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And his face is smeared with ketchup and mayonnaise.
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And I'm sorry, that is...
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That's not the terrifying, like, look I think he thought he was going for.
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Like, that's not war paint.
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That's just like a really bad McDonald's hamburger cosplay. And like,
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you look like you got into a fight with a condiment station, sir. Like, come on.
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And I just, I can't. So anyway, snapping back right into reality,
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but he's also holding Frank's hatchet in one hand and a steel wrench in the other.
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And like, suddenly this isn't funny anymore. And Daniel calmly tells Frank to
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get the girls and go into the bedroom.
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Calmly. Like he's rehearsed this moment in his head like a hundred times. So Frank slams the door.
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Tina goes and jumps out of a fucking second story window and runs off.
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So obviously, police are searching the house and everything.
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And like, this is something I absolutely hate about this?
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Like they can't even find him at first because he knew that house way better than the family did.
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Like the hidden crawl spaces, the tunnels, places that like no one knew existed in their own home.
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And eventually they arrest him.
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And here's where reality here, like we absolutely dropped the ball because he's released on bail.
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And I need to say that again, because it's not computing the way that it should.
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This man is released by,
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on bail after living inside someone's walls for over a year.
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Sure, yeah, that seems fine. But then that's not where the story ends,
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even though it absolutely should. It actually gets so much worse.
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So in December of 1987, less than a year later, Daniel breaks into another home.
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The victim is Priscilla Gustafson, and she's a 33-year-old nursery teacher, and she was pregnant.
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He shoots her, and then he drowns her two children, Abigail,
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who was seven, and William, who was five, in separate bathrooms.
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Like, the escalation is absolutely terrifying. Like, this man is not impulsive. This isn't random.
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Like, this is incredibly calculated.
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And police question him the very next day. He flees. He takes off.
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He steals a van. He takes a woman hostage briefly, and then he crashes and decides
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to go hide in a dumpster, like this man is having a full nightmare spiral.
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Then he's finally arrested. And in 1988, Daniel's convicted of three counts first-degree murder.
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He's sentenced to three consecutive life sentences.
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Decades later, after changes in the juvenile sentencing laws,
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those sentences were reviewed.
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However they were upheld thank
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fucking god so no
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remorse no release and here's
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kind of why i want to like start with that story tonight
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so before anybody knew daniel was living in the walls the bowen family like
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thought their house was haunted right so they heard strange noises feeling of
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being watched things are moving that sense that something just isn't right And it wasn't a ghost.
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Like it was a literal fucking goddamn person.
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And then this is where it kind of starts to bleed directly into what we're going to talk about tonight.
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Because when people talk about haunted places, especially places that are soaked
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in trauma, sometimes what they're reacting to really isn't super natural. It's our own fear.
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It's memories. It's the quiet realization that humans are capable of doing horrifying things.
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And like we do it slowly sometimes silently
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and incredibly close to home
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so if that story wasn't enough
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to make your screen crawl a little bit then uh buckle up because now we're gonna
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talk about the places where this kind of fear didn't just happen once or twice
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like it was daily life so top off your glass and get ready and let's get into
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the long pour I'll see you later.
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All right, guys, let's settle in, like actually settle in.
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I need you to adjust your chair, stretch your legs, go top off your drink,
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maybe take that breath you didn't realize you were holding in.
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Because this is a long pour, and this is the part of the night where we're going
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to stop kind of skimming and briefly going through things and talk about,
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you know, spooky trivia.
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But we're actually going to sit with like, what the hell happened here?
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We're not going to rush this. We're not going to gloss over the ugly parts. Now, anyway, moving on.
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This is like, okay, let's really sit and like talk about this shit portion of the night.
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And tonight we're talking about asylums. And no, not the haunted house version,
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not the abandoned building aesthetic with peeling paint and creepy photos.
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And people caption these things with like, oh my God, spooky vibes.
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Like we're not, we're not talking about any of that. Like, we're talking about
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what they actually were.
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Like, who were these things built for and who they absolutely destroyed along the way of doing so?
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Because when we think about asylums, like, brains usually, like,
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jump straight to horror movies, you know?
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Like, there's a long hallway. There's a flickering light.
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Screams echoing. We have creepy ghosts lurking around the corners,
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like, waiting for you to turn.
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And although the truth is like
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way less cinematic than that unfortunately it's way more disturbing because
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asylums really didn't start evil and I think that's the part that kind of fucks
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with me the most about all of this so in 1796 in England a Quaker named William
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Tuke established the Yorker.
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And at the time, this place was considered radical, like revolutionary.
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People wrote about it. They talked about it. Like it was truly just groundbreaking at the time.
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And I kind of really need you to understand like what radical meant in the late 1700s.
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You ready for this? All it meant was that people weren't chained to walls.
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That was the innovation.
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And that was the moment people stood around like nodding like,
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wow, yeah, look at this guy, a visionary.
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And patients were encouraged to go outside. They had routines.
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They were spoken to like humans. The idea was that these calm environments,
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structure, basic dignity could actually really help these people heal.
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And for a brief microscopic moment in history, like they weren't wrong.
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This actually really was helping people.
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And around the same time in France, a man named Felipe Pinel ordered chains
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to be removed from psychiatric patients in the 1790s.
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And this man was praised for it. Like he became famous. They were writing papers.
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Like he got so much recognition for it, which is honestly so goddamn wild to
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me because could you imagine you're being celebrated? We have these confetti
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cannons going off all because you're not chaining people to walls.
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Like history is so embarrassing sometimes, but here's the part that always gets
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like skipped over because the original blueprint for these asylums really wasn't about cruelty.
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It wasn't punishment. It wasn't fear-based control.
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Like the blueprint really arrives around dignity and like, how can we help these
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people genuinely heal with what's going on with them?
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And then like any good thing we've ever had, society just takes one look at
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it. It was like, okay, cool idea.
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But like, what if we just upscale it, right?
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We're going to super underfund it because God forbid we put money towards something that matters.
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And we're going to strip out the humanity and we're going to stop seeing these patients as people.
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And that's where everything went to hell. So by the mid 1800s,
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the world was changing fast, right? So we have industrialization,
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war, poverty, mass immigration.
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We have overcrowded cities. Like, trauma is everywhere. And mental illness was super misunderstood.
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I still don't think we have a good grasp on it. But this time period, holy shit.
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Like, so mental illness wasn't being treated. And frankly, it wasn't welcomed
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in a society that was obsessed with productivity and order.
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So asylums quietly stopped being a place of care and started becoming about places of containment.
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Not, hey, how do we help you? But it was more like, where do we put you so we
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don't have to deal with you?
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And once you start thinking about asylums in that way, like,
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everything else clicks into place. Because who got put there?
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Pretty much anyone society didn't feel like dealing with.
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So women are going around being diagnosed with hysteria, which was basically
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the Victorian way of saying, like, she cried and we're uncomfortable because
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she has girl feelings. Ew.
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And hysteria wasn't real. It wasn't a disease.
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It's not honestly you guys it was just
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a junk diagnosis it's a garbage bin
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for male discomfort if a woman said
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she was sad or angry or anxious grieving sexually
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frustrated she's outspoken or just
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tired of everyone's bullshit congratulations she has a medical condition postpartum
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depression same thing women whose bodies and hormones were like absolute chaos
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us after giving birth were labeled insane and institutionalized instead of being helped.
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Imagine your body's like tearing itself apart to create a life and the response
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for this is like, she's broken, lock her up.
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So basically, women who didn't want to sleep with their husbands,
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women who wanted divorces, women who said no,
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women who said I'm done, or really just a woman who had an opinion,
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like no autonomy was literally was a diagnosable condition at this point in
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time you have hysteria you have to go away,
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And that wasn't the only thing, right? So epileptics were institutionalized
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because seizures were so misunderstood and associated with demonic possession.
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LGBTQ people were institutionalized for just literally existing incorrectly,
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and apparently they thought it was a disease.
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Don't do Adam and Steve friends. It's only Adam and Eve here.
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Give me a damn break. Like, disabled people were institutionalized because society
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didn't want to adapt. It just wanted them gone.
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And alcoholics weren't institutionalized either. Because instead of, I don't know,
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rehab or compassion, the solution was basically like putting these people in
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prison, but it just had like more medical paperwork involved. And the poor.
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Oh my god, the poor.
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If you were poor, homeless, elderly, widowed, orphaned, or just simply inconvenient,
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asylums doubled as warehouses for you.
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They weren't just mental institutions. These things were literal social dumping grounds.
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And once you were labeled insane, that label followed you everywhere.
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You say you're being abused. That's a symptom. You say that the treatment hurts.
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Delusional. if you even screamed because of what was happening to you,
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it was just the confirmation that they needed.
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It's like the more distressed you were about what was happening to you,
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the more it proved their point that you needed to be in there,
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which honestly is a perfect system if you never want to be questioned.
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So by the late 1800s, getting into the early 1900s, asylums were packed It's far beyond capacity.
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Like buildings designed for around 200 patients held 800, sometimes thousands of people.
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People were sleeping on floors and hallways and overcrowded wards and hygiene
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just absolutely collapsed because abuse in these places became the routine.
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And here's the part people don't like to admit. This wasn't a secret.
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Administrators knew. Doctors knew. The fucking government knew.
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So care turned into control.
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Restraints weren't rare either. They were routine.
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So this all started with people who were being literally given awards and things
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talked about with them because they took the jeans off, right?
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Nope, we went right fucking straight back to it because why wouldn't we?
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The thing that worked, no, that doesn't work. We don't do that.
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You know, so people were being tied down for hours, days, sometimes weeks.
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Here's where the treatments come in hydrotherapy hydrotherapy meant like you're
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getting these ice cold baths until people stopped screaming and doctors would
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call that calm like fuck that dude that's not calm like dude that person just passed out.
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Then there was insulin shock therapy, which intentionally induced comas over and over.
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And convulsions were super common.
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Some people never woke up. Others woke up super confused, terrified, permanently damaged.
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And then we reached the boss level of medical treatments, the lobotomies.
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The things that were not rare they
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were fashionable during this time like doctors
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weren't hiding this shit they were celebrated for
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it and then there's this motherfucker walter freeman
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and he went around touring hospitals performing
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lobotomies publicly publicly using
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an ice pick light tool through the eye socket with no operating room minimal
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anesthesia if any and this man was not an actual surgeon he was not a fucking
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surgeon you guys like and he went around calling this efficient.
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At like what, really? Like destroying people? And society loved it.
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They absolutely loved it. Then in 1949, Antonio Giguez Moniz,
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this man was awarded a Nobel Prize in Medicine for pioneering lobotomy techniques.
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A noble, a goddamn noble for permanently damaging people's brains so they'd
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just be easier to manage.
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These doctors weren't trying to heal people. They were just trying to make them quieter.
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And the whole system stood around and clapped for them.
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And nowhere does this become clearer than Eloise.
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Now, when we talk about Eloise, because she does not get enough attention,
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honestly, and it pisses me off.
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We think about these things in history. And we're just like,
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oh, these places were bad.
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They were wrong. But like, no, we need to deep dive into the bad.
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So Eloise wasn't just one asylum. It was an entire complex in Westland,
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Michigan, that was built in 1839.
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So expanded over decades, right?
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Like psychiatric hospitals, poor houses, tuberculosis warms,
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there's farms, there's cemeteries.
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It was like a self-contained city designed to absorb human suffering.
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And at its peak, it housed over 10,000 patients.
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10,000 people. People weren't sent there because they were dangerous.
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They were sent because they were poor.
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They were sick, disabled, grieving, pregnant, unmarried.
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You're an alcoholic. you're elderly, or honestly, just because you were simply inconvenient.
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Like Eloise became a dumping ground.
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Overcrowding was extreme. Patients, again, sleeping on floors,
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hygiene was non-existent, abuse was rampant, and records were lost or just never kept.
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So people literally disappeared there.
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Not metaphorically, literally.
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There are thousands of unmarked graves still to this day on the grounds of this place.
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And patient letters from here are some of the most heartbreaking things like
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you're ever going to read.
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One woman, Anna Klein, was admitted in 1904 for postpartum depression.
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And this is something she actually wrote to her sister and says,
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they say if I stop asking for my baby, I will get better.
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But I'm afraid if I stop, I'm gonna
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forget her she never saw her
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child again she died institutionalized in
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1939 like think about that
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you guys she wasn't insane she wasn't insane she wasn't dangerous like she was
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broken she was grieving she was hormonal because of all the changes her body
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was going through like she was a goddamn fucking human and the system just looked
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at her and said lock her up I'm like,
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Let's stop here for a second Because what the actual fuck Do these assholes have against women?
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Like genuinely What was the obsession? And here's the truth That no one likes to say out loud I'm,
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Psychiatry was built by men who fundamentally did not understand women's bodies,
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but they also didn't care to.
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Periods, hysteria. Pregnancy, instability.
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Postpartum depression, madness. Menopause, insanity.
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Grief, weakness. Anger, disorder.
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Women's normal biological processes were so pushed aside because men,
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doctors, couldn't experience them.
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So they didn't study them, and they didn't want to be inconvenienced by them.
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And instead of saying like, hey, you know, maybe we don't understand this,
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they decided to just say, she's broken.
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Like, unfortunately, women were the easiest targets because husbands could commit them.
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Fathers could commit them. Doctors could commit them. And women had very few
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legal rights to fight back.
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And if you think about that, asylums were one of the most effective tools of patriarchy ever built.
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You didn't need to beat women into silence. You could diagnose them.
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And that's why this matters today. Because unfortunately, women are often still
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dismissed, still not believed. They're told their pain is anxiety.
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You're told it's hormones or still like, you need to calm down.
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The tools look different now, but unfortunately, the instincts really haven't
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changed as much as we would like to believe when it comes to all of that.
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So now let's talk about the hauntings. People talk about footsteps, voices, door slamming.
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But what do they talk about more than anything?
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How it feels. The sadness, the pressure, the heaviness being in there.
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The stone tape theory suggests that trauma can imprint on physical spaces.
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So the stone, the brick, the concrete, like kind of like a recording on a loop.
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So not ghosts just walking around, but the building itself is becoming the ghost.
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And if that theory holds even a grain of truth, places like this would be deafening.
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You have decades of fear. You have thousands and thousands of voices and you
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have pain without witnesses.
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So asylums don't feel like haunted houses. They feel incredibly accusatory.
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Like they're asking, what would you have done differently?
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And that question is super uncomfortable because the honest answer for most
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people back then, like, was probably not, you know?
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So what did we learn today that just because something was historically approved,
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doesn't mean it wasn't completely absolutely deranged if you ever feel bad about
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your coping mechanisms i mean at least you're not handing out lobotomies and calling it progressed,
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and really thank you for being here for the
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very first episode of Brews with Boo's and I
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mean that genuinely starting something new is so weird and
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vulnerable and the fact that you chose to spend your time here with
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this topic means a lot if
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you like this stick around we've got a lot more coming
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haunted places dark history rabbit holes medical
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what the actual fuck moments and
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all the spooky things that
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you don't get talked about enough so next time we'll actually be pouring into
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the radium girls and yeah you're probably really gonna need a drink for that
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one too so my little ghosties that's enough emotional damage for one night take
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care of yourselves stay curious and i'll see you next time.