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Soil Solutions [08.15.2026] · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening show,
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  Speaker 1: and keeping your yard in tip top shape. Now here
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  Speaker 1: are your hosts, Brian Maine, John Bagnasco and Tiger Palafox
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  Speaker 1: on the Garden America Radio and Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good morning and welcome. Yes, we are back on
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  Speaker 2: For those that are new, you're wondering what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: listening for many many years. In fact, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people watch us before we go live. You can see
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  Speaker 2: the video. Wondering what we're talking about. Well, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about gardening. Great guest today, I'm Brian Main,
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  Speaker 2: Tiger is here to my right and you're my left right, John,
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  Speaker 2: except if you're watching us, it's the opposite, and I
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  Speaker 2: do that to confuse John. As we begin the show.
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  Speaker 3: You always make me dizzy before we even start.
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  Speaker 2: Dizzy was you're making me dizzy? That was Tommy James
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  Speaker 2: right in the Sean Dell's brothers name, Tommy's name, Tommy's brother,
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  Speaker 2: Dizzy Dean.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that was good baseball reference. Yeah. What was his
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  Speaker 4: brother's name, Tommy Dean?
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  Speaker 2: Daffy was it? You're right, yeah, Daffy. Okay, this is
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  Speaker 2: how quickly we get off track.
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  Speaker 4: You see six second you know this was on him.
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  Speaker 3: It was a great gardening week too, because this morning
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  Speaker 3: Tiger was telling me, you know, how nice the weather
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  Speaker 3: was compared to what it has been.
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  Speaker 4: Much cooler.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but motivation to get out in the artist is
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  Speaker 5: much better.
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  Speaker 2: And what about today in the weekend? Can we can
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  Speaker 2: we's temperatures?
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  Speaker 3: Next show is supposed to get one hot again.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is normal. I think we kind of
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  Speaker 5: talked about this last episode or last show where one
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  Speaker 5: of our issues as of recently has been it's a
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  Speaker 5: sustained heat. We haven't had these dips because normally what
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  Speaker 5: we do here in southern California is will be hot
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  Speaker 5: for a week or so and then whatever moves in, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's cool for a week or so.
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  Speaker 4: A little rest, a little rest, yeah, we don't get that.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like we haven't had that in a while.
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  Speaker 5: So this week was a welcome you know, weather week
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  Speaker 5: because it was just nicer to get outside. You can
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  Speaker 5: turn the AC off at night, yeah, and just open
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  Speaker 5: a window and it was nice and cool, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like didn't have to have it running twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 4: You're a big respite guy, aren't you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Do you do you get a breeze in the
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  Speaker 5: summertime still, because we talk about your area always. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so even in the summertime, right, you open up like
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  Speaker 5: one window of your house and you open up another
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  Speaker 5: window of your house and it kind of comes through.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not lower than the temperature of the house.
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  Speaker 5: No, what your outside sixty two?
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  Speaker 3: No, the outside's warmer than the inside. Oh yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: we keep the when the weather's really hot, we keep
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  Speaker 3: it close.
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  Speaker 4: Cross ventilation, cran come on, cross ventilation. I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 4: to be.
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  Speaker 5: On topic, I was when we went to Zion National
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  Speaker 5: Park a couple summers ago. They had this really cool
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  Speaker 5: like adobe like shop museum shop there, and they had
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  Speaker 5: this natural ac slash heater system where it naturally drew
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  Speaker 5: cool air from the lower part and sent it out
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  Speaker 5: via this like chimney thing, and then you know, and
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  Speaker 5: then in the you know, winter months, like it naturally drew.
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  Speaker 5: And it was really like fascinating to kind of like
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  Speaker 5: use hot and cold air to kind of moderate the
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  Speaker 5: temperature inside naturally. And I was like, that's pretty pretty
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  Speaker 5: amazing that people think about using you know, that you
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  Speaker 5: know kind of a thing like actually using thermodynamics.
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  Speaker 4: So is an older technology or model. Yeah, this was like.
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  Speaker 5: Back when you built your Adobe hut, you thought about
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  Speaker 5: this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: When was the last time we use thermodynamics on the radio?
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  Speaker 5: Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Not for garden Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Why did Lyla and Poway? Uh? No, Tommy Roe?
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  Speaker 4: You were talking about brother of Wait a second, Wait
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  Speaker 4: a second.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe she's right, brother of someone baseball player, She.
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  Speaker 3: Said, Tommy Row.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe what you know what Lila wins a prize? She's right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was Tommy Row. And what was they referring to
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  Speaker 2: a song? You're making me dizzy? Oh okay, she said,
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  Speaker 2: dizzy Dean. Yeah, you know what, I wish we had
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  Speaker 2: prizes for people like like that that, you know, step
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  Speaker 2: in when we're off topic and correct us.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't kudos from one of the Garden Buddies prize.
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  Speaker 5: Enough, Yeah, just way to go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely done, so Lyla now can listen to the
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  Speaker 2: entire show, right because of that?
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  Speaker 4: For free?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no charge. Hey, let's do the quote of the week.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I don't little things happened during the
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  Speaker 3: show that sometimes we don't notice, Like did you notice
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  Speaker 3: that I turned off the volume?
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  Speaker 2: I did notice he went at a boy all right,
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  Speaker 2: way to go?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you know what.
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  Speaker 5: I was actually a bit thrown off by it. I
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  Speaker 5: was waiting for it to happen, and then it did it,
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  Speaker 5: and then I was like, I wonder if you even has.
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  Speaker 4: It up show?
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  Speaker 3: You know what type is it? I I picked this
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  Speaker 3: quote because I don't know if I felt this way
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  Speaker 3: when I was younger, but I think I've resigned myself
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  Speaker 3: to this fact. And this quote's from Jamaica Kincaid, and
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  Speaker 3: she said, I shall never have the garden I have
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  Speaker 3: in my mind, but that for me is the joy
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  Speaker 3: of it. Certain things can never be realized, and so
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  Speaker 3: all the more reason to attempt them, all right?
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  Speaker 4: Is that like chasing your tail?
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  Speaker 5: Do you so? Before you said the quote, you said you,
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  Speaker 5: how did you feel about the quote?
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  Speaker 3: I said, as I'm older. I feel that way for sure. Really, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because I we've talked about this before. I think I
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  Speaker 3: garden a lot in my mind, yeah you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I think you do too. Things don't bother you the
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  Speaker 3: way they might bother someone else, because in your mind,
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  Speaker 3: you know what it's going to look like, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Like I have a I have a long term right
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  Speaker 3: like this area behind us.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you you know what it is, and it
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  Speaker 4: looks great.
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  Speaker 5: Right right exactly, but it's not there yet, right, I
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  Speaker 5: see what you're saying that, And.
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  Speaker 4: That's why that's why you've settled.
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  Speaker 2: You're comfortable, you're not stressing, you're not worried because you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you've got the blueprints in your mind.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's almost kind of if you get to
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  Speaker 5: that point, if you are done, what do you do
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  Speaker 5: next time?
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  Speaker 4: You want? It's never ending?
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  Speaker 5: Well and get that, But like, I don't know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of that's good.
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  Speaker 4: What do you know?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not too far off topic, but kind of along
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  Speaker 2: those lines. When I was a little kid at Disneyland
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  Speaker 2: and we were on the minor rail and there was
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  Speaker 2: recorded narration about how the park was built. What Walt
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  Speaker 2: Disney did and this and that, and then he ended
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  Speaker 2: by saying, but of course Disneyland will never be finished.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, to a kid, what do he mean, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not going to be finished? What does that mean? Until
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  Speaker 2: you realize that it's a continual process. Like gardening, it's continual.
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  Speaker 2: One project may be completed, but then it's on to
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  Speaker 2: the next one. Or maybe you get to something that
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  Speaker 2: you know you have to attend to that you've been
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  Speaker 2: putting off. It's like, yeah, this is good a time
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  Speaker 2: as any as we'll get to it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is true. I mean it's it's definitely. I
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  Speaker 5: feel like I will be happy. I was at a
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  Speaker 5: friend's house the other day and there's no more room
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  Speaker 5: in his garden for anything, like literally no more room.
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  Speaker 5: And he's got pots and he's got plants in the
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  Speaker 5: ground and everything everything, and it looks immaculate like he's
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  Speaker 5: retired and this is what he does. And I was
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  Speaker 5: very impressed with it because I'm I was kind of like,
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  Speaker 5: kind of like what I was saying, like, what do
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  Speaker 5: you I feel like you're done? I feel like I
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  Speaker 5: feel like there's no more right of a thing. And
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  Speaker 5: it was kind of interesting kind of subject because even
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  Speaker 5: though I saw it as beautiful and done and you know,
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  Speaker 5: ready to be you know, finished here. You know, he
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  Speaker 5: still saw like so much more that he wanted to
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  Speaker 5: do and kind of change and you know, believe it.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, like I got it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: like you're you're you keep going.
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  Speaker 4: You know that's the mind's eye, right John.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's got to be a Kevin thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was just saying that by his reckoning here
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  Speaker 3: in North Idaho. The show didn't start until late oh seven.
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  Speaker 2: He's right, because we were chit chatting. Oh yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at my at my phone. Hey, we've
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  Speaker 2: only got a couple of minutes before the break. We
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  Speaker 2: should set up the next segment. And for people that
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  Speaker 2: did not get the news like I guess y, yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna have ed Ivo joining us. We chatted
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  Speaker 5: about this last week. Ed Libo is one of our friends.
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  Speaker 5: You know, usually focuses on fruit trees, and we are
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  Speaker 5: going to be talking fruit trees today, but more focused
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  Speaker 5: on soil and how it affects the fruit trees and
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  Speaker 5: potting soil in the ground, all of that good stuff,
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  Speaker 5: because you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it starts right, Brian, Absolutely, you have to
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  Speaker 2: You don't have soil, you don't have ground.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, I had to think quick on that one.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't have soil, you don't have ground.
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  Speaker 3: You always have dirt though, right, but you.
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  Speaker 5: Don't always have soil.
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  Speaker 3: What was your old saying that dirt is dead, soil
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  Speaker 3: is alive.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we used to. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't
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  Speaker 4: your quote wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: No, that was back in Bruce's day.
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  Speaker 4: I think say it again because it is familiar.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, dirt is dead, soil is alive.
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  Speaker 5: Well, then the God made dirt, so dirt don't hurt.
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  Speaker 5: That doesn't work. Dead made so soil doesn't hurt.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've.
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  Speaker 2: Whereabouts in the world. Is the soil so rich? It's
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  Speaker 2: almost like it came out of a bag you bought
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  Speaker 2: at a store.
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  Speaker 5: Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: The desert really? Oh yeah, yeah, the deserts have a
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  Speaker 4: lot some of the everything you would need, everything you
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  Speaker 4: would need.
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  Speaker 3: To grow, and that's because there's no rain.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break and get set up
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  Speaker 2: for ED Live. Ol boy, old boy, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be one heck of a show. We're glad you
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  Speaker 2: could join us. If you can't stay, that's a shame.
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  Speaker 4: But you can also.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the replay here on Facebook and perhaps in a
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  Speaker 2: week or so Alexi will play this show for you.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Maintiger, Palafox, John Begnasco Garden America. Welcome to biz
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  Speaker 2: Talk Radio. Taking a break back after these messages on
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  Speaker 2: biz Talk Radio Ed livel Ed Livelo, I should say
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  Speaker 2: coming your way next year on gard America.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio show with Brian,
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  Speaker 6: John and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the show. I hope you had
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  Speaker 2: a good break. Thank you to those tuned in on
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  Speaker 2: biz Talk Radio Facebook Live. Well we teased Ed, well,
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  Speaker 2: not actually teased Ed. We teased Dad that he would
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  Speaker 2: be here, Ed Livo, he's joining us now, Tiger John,
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  Speaker 2: Ed Livo, here we go. You'll wind it up and
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't stop and we love it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, Ed. Thank you very much for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: It's always a pleasure having you on the program. Just
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  Speaker 5: a ball full of energy from him, our good friend,
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  Speaker 5: Ed Libo. How are you doing this morning, Ed?
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  Speaker 7: Hey great, I've been out to shooting pictures of highbred
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  Speaker 7: blue ots and bluerries this morning. That we picked at
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  Speaker 7: Zegar Genetics yesterday and these varieties will knock your shoes off.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know I think ed like this whole
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  Speaker 5: Zaeger Genetics thing it you guys are you know when
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  Speaker 5: back in the day it used to be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: Santa Rosa plum University of Corinity, you know all that stuff. Now,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's got to be so many varieties of
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  Speaker 5: fruit trees out there and crosses and so much happening.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, some for pots, some for in the ground,
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  Speaker 5: some for cool areas, some for warm areas. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, is the number of variety of trees just
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  Speaker 5: growing exponentially every year?
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  Speaker 7: Well, look at I'm putting together this video right now.
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  Speaker 7: To me exact, I just posted a video on Edible
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  Speaker 7: Solutions on the flavor Punch area, which is a plumb
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  Speaker 7: cherry cross. But I went out to the Zagers yesterday
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  Speaker 7: and spent time with Lacey. We were wandering around looking
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  Speaker 7: at some selections from last year and found this green
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  Speaker 7: variety that's just out of this world. But to answer
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  Speaker 7: your question, we were standing in a row and I
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  Speaker 7: realized very quickly that if I had been back thirty
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  Speaker 7: years ago, which I've been working with the Zegris for
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  Speaker 7: over thirty five years. If I had been standing in
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  Speaker 7: that row, I would say fifty percent of the varieties
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  Speaker 7: in that row, I would have run to the office
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  Speaker 7: said this is a winner. We're putting it into the
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  Speaker 7: catalog next year, and gone crazy. Now that standard is
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  Speaker 7: so high. When we're out trying to select, we actually
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  Speaker 7: ran into a couple of writing this is excellent.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know it.
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  Speaker 7: Lacks this lacks that thirty years ago we knocked those
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  Speaker 7: things out of the ballpark. Yeah, so yeah, you're right, Tiger,
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  Speaker 7: it's gone nuts.
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy. I feel like you guys are like the
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  Speaker 5: potato chip companies right now. Like if I don't like
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  Speaker 5: if I go to the grocery store and there's not
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  Speaker 5: some new variety potato chip, I'm not getting potato chips.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we're not.
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  Speaker 7: We're not blowing air in the bag man.
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  Speaker 5: That is true. But there's some really cool stuff happening.
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  Speaker 5: So you know that is really neat, so fascinating on
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 7: It's a cherry Jean. They've got the cherry Jean. The
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  Speaker 7: sweet cherry Jeane now is in all their stuff. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 7: It's just insane.
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  Speaker 5: And that does that just make the fruit of whatever
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  Speaker 5: they cross it with sweeter, It just makes it.
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  Speaker 7: No, it just makes it very unique, very unusual. I mean, Tiger,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you go out into the seiling orchards where
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  Speaker 7: they're just planting seeds from the process they did last year.
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  Speaker 7: You go in these seedling orchard, you eat stuff and
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  Speaker 7: you go, the heck is that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: But you know it's great, but you just don't. You
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  Speaker 7: can't say what is that? But I know, I think
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  Speaker 7: it's the cherry jeene. I think the cherry Jean's altering
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  Speaker 7: everything got So it's very.
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  Speaker 4: Exciting, you know, Tiger.
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  Speaker 3: We've we have questions coming already for Eddie, but I
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  Speaker 3: know you've got a lot you want to cover, So
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  Speaker 3: I don't do you want to take the questions as
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  Speaker 3: they come up and or wait till the end, or
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  Speaker 3: how do you want to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Let's let's get into a little bit of the topic
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  Speaker 5: that we were going to check out with about and
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  Speaker 5: then we'll bring in the questions for sure. Okay, I
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  Speaker 5: want to make sure because I think a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people will be interested in what we're going to talk
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  Speaker 5: about today, ed and that hopefully. Yeah, and that's going
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  Speaker 5: to be kind of the soil. You know, you said
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  Speaker 5: you've been working with a few different varieties of soil,
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  Speaker 5: different soil companies, primarily for potting. You know, your your
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  Speaker 5: fruit trees, but at the same time we can kind
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  Speaker 5: of touch a bit on in the ground soil and
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  Speaker 5: how they affect the growth of fruit trees.
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  Speaker 7: Right well, let me tell you the main focus that
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  Speaker 7: I'm having right now is that we're losing connection with
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  Speaker 7: the twenty five to forty year old. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you look at the mean first time homeowners age
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  Speaker 7: now being forty eight years old, it's critical for a
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  Speaker 7: nursery industry to start paying attention to those people that
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: aren't going to be able to enjoy a house for
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  Speaker 7: you know, some extra years compared to the generations before.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm more concerned with, you know, if we're going
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  Speaker 7: to have container growing. Container growing has always had its issues,
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  Speaker 7: and I want to address those issues. One of those
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  Speaker 7: One of the great things coming out of Southern California
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  Speaker 7: was the product called top Pot, which I'm sure you're
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  Speaker 7: familiar with, and that product is all mineral base and
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  Speaker 7: I love that. That's great. So I worked with Lauren
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  Speaker 7: Oki from UC Davis and came up with what they're
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  Speaker 7: doing with Florida State, and they're doing stratification mixes, which
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  Speaker 7: are organic base mixes, but have this profile down in
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  Speaker 7: the lower part of the container that allows for lots
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  Speaker 7: and lots and lots of drainage and no you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: collection of dead air down at the bottom of the pot.
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: And then I have my mix which I developed back
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: in the nineties, which I call an acid mix. It
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: was for the blueberry mix, but we apply it to
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: everything now. We don't have drainage issue is that and
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: I get up to five years you know, off of
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: containers and containers with production without having to do any
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: root modification.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Really, so one of the critical parts of a fruit
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: tree in a container is going to be the drainage.
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: Then that's I think that's key. You know, you've got that,
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: you know in the industry, US in the industry know
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: that that bottom let's say third of the container is
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: a no it's water doesn't move, it just stagnates in there,
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: and you get you know, like top there is especially
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: with citrus, Citrus hardly ever roots into the bottom of
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: the container because of the top there is so the
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: soil board water molds. And the fact is is that
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: if we can take and alleviate that and make it
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: so that you know, the tree can then just be
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: almost hydroponically grown if you really wanted to, you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: have a picture of what we're trying to achieve where
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: you're just feeding at nutrients and the soil is just
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: working to one, you know, provide a place for that
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: nutrient to be available and then leach through and then
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: you know, of course provide them new opportunities for new
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: nutrient to be put in. So it's it's a big
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: big deal because I think, how do you container container fruit?
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: Tree growing is going to become more of a desire
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: because people are not going to be getting into these
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: houses as soon and you know, chimney create an opportunity
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: for them to enjoy fruit.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Heck, yes, yeah definitely. And let me ask you this
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: because you know, in the ground people talk about drip line,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: right like you have a you have a tree and
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: it has its drip line and that's where they kind
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: of say, that's where a lot of the moisture gets absorbed,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: that's where a lot of the nutrients. It's those those
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: roots that are out there at the the branches of
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: the tree, you know, and that's what they're designed to do.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: In a container, obviously that's not the case because you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: obviously the tree is usually much bigger than the container.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: So what's the I mean, aside from drainage, are the
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: roots kind of acting the same way where you just
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: kind of need to fertilize, you know, just the whole
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: base of the plant, or do you have to do
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: it a little differently?
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: No, you know, I think that like for my container
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: trees I've got, I've got container trees that are fifty
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: years old. They've been in containers for fifty years. So
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: I have an oriblancal grapefruit that was one of the
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: original releases, so it's not quite fifty yet, but it
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: was one of the original releases, and it's one of
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: the older plants I have in Nagami kumquat that's fifty
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: five years old.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: And so, hey, ed got all ed real quick. Sorry,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I don't I know, I started yes to a good question.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Then I'm having to cull you up. But we're gonna
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: have to take a break. We'll get back. We'll continue that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, car here, coury, hold on to that thought, carry
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: that thought, and thank you so much. I'm gonna take
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a break for a Bistok Radio Facebook Live. ED Live
• 19:48
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• 19:50
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• 19:52
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• 19:55
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• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: John and Tiger the Thing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: We are back from the break. It is Garden America.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: If you're just joining us, we are talking fruit, we're
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: talking soil and live with Tigers we continue.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and before the break, Ed was talking about the
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: containers and how a fruit tree reacts a little bit
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: different in than container versus the ground. And you were
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: just describing your Oro Blanco grapefruit that's been in a
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: container for almost fifty years. That's crazy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well yeah, I've got I've got a number of
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: plants that you know, been in longer than thirty years,
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: up to forty years too. So I mean, and I've
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: practiced trying to take an extent you know, what we
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: can expect from container growing. You know, I did a
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: program back with my days with Wilson back in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: nineties called ideal for container are growing, and we just
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: focused on potting soils and potting mixes, and that's where
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: I developed the blueberry mix, or what I call the
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: acid mix, which is pretty standard for blueberries. Now. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: think that's pretty much in you know, the base recommendation
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: for blueberry mixes, but I use it for everything because
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: the pH of our water in California is so bad
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: that you're constantly watering, you know, with ehs of eight
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: up to nine point five, and you know, you've got
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: to create an acid based environment, and then you have
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: to eye fertilize almost exclusively with acid based fertilizers.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, John, did you say we had a
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: few questions. I think that would be a good time
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: to bring in some of the questions because can kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: of give us time to answer them.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: He's looking, Yeah, he's scrolling.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: He was over there shopping. That's why I got him
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: off guard.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I got two books order from Amazon. This is a
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: from Daisy and she says that every year her apricots
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: fall off the her three trees prematurely. She said they're
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: probably fifteen to twenty year old trees and she wants
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: to know why, and she said she lives in is
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it Brisbane or Brisbane, California. I know it's Brisbane, Australia
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: spelled the same, yea. And she says it's where the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: San Bruno Mountain blocks the wind in the fog, so
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: it's pretty warm and sunny there.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, okay, Number one is you know, you'd
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: want to know what variety of apricots she has. You know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: if she has one of the higher chill apricots, it
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: could just be that, you know, it doesn't get quite
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: enough chill there and so they're they're dropping prematurely because
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: of that. You know, it's funny because the Blenheim apricot
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: is a standard down in southern California, but it can
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: take up to about five or six years before it
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: actually starts producing a crop regularly, and then it pretty
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: much stays consistent after that point. But answer relative to
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: the location, then yeah, I mean I think you've got
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: in that question.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Ed.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you were not able to just easily answer
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: that question because this is something that I think a
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: lot of affects a lot of people, especially when it
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: comes to stone fruits is they go to a you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: plant one, they plant whatever tree it is right, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: it can grow and it can do well, and sometimes
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: you're gonna have stellar crops. You're gonna have great production,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: and then the next year you can have literally zero
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of everything with the well, I mean
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily this is a zero crop production year
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: in a lot of places. Well, yeah, and it's and
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: it's because what a fruit tree needs to produce a
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: an actual fruit ripening is a whole series of events
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: to occur, and if anything in that series of events
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: is out of whack, you don't get production right. So,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: you know, like you mentioned ed, you're starting off with
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: the chill, right, it has to have a certain number
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: of hours of chill. It's got to be at the
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: right time for the chill to occur to be able
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: to kind of give it that's that that that ability
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: to set fruit. And then you know it's got a
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: flower and then you can't have a rain or a
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: windstorm during that flowering cycle, and then it's got to
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: be pollinated and then through all that after it's even
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: got a fruit on it, it can't go through drought
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: or extreme heat to hold the fruit. Right, all of
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: those things can affect it, and every year is different, right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: Ed, I think you just talk everybody out of growing.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Friend, I did, but that's but that's the intention. So
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I feel for farmers because this is what they deal
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: with every year.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I you know, I think that
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: you know, one, always trying to determine that you're purchasing
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: varieties that have a track record of producing, you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: in your climate zone. You know, like so for instance,
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: you know, when you're down in southern California, you're talking
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: about what nine B ten, you know, nine A, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: towards the towards the hills, and you know, I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: that those actually offer a lot of opportunity for planting
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: varieties that don't necessarily work because the top of the
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: hill is ten, in the bottom of the hill has not.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Does that make sense?
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, And and boy I saw that so
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: much in all the years that I work, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: down in southern California, that you know it it became
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: just exactly what she said, Tiger, there is the consistencies
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: are inconsistent, you know, because there's so many variables that
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: come into play, and sometimes you know, you just got
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: to rip out a variety and say, you know, that's it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: I'm not gonna I don't want to deal with this
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: anymore because life's too short. Get them right, That works.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: That's why we're talking containers, right, that's easy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, of course.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Do you have another, because then you can always
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: move to a better climate, right the tree with you?
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but eight hundred dollars and you know, like a
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: big truck and you're on your way.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: This is from Kevin in Cordelaine, Idaho. And uh he
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: loves the idea of the new crosses and he wants
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: to know are are the plue area's going to be
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: able to grow in Corde Lane? And uh, if so,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: will they be available there?
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: All right, well, let me see. I got to remember
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: is Cordline seven A?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Cord Lane is all the way north near the.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, I know what Cordline is. I'm trying
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: to remember. Is it is it USD A seven A or.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Is it five?
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: I can't remember. If it's five, You're probably not going
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: to see the pluaries be adapted, at least so far.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: You know, they have been around long enough to really
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: impact all these different climate zones. Yeah, seven seven A.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: We're getting some good responses for you know, some of
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: the like sweet Treats and you know they the flavor
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Punch and these different varieties that they have out. So
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: seven A is kind of where I'm drawing the line
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: and saying that if you're seven A or above, you're
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: probably cool, but seven A or below it's test.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: So Krol's going to google that right now.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: He'll he'll let us do it as usdas on exactly.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I know that Boise is seven A, and I honestly
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: don't know Cordelaine, but in my mind I always pictured
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: it as two.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, you know what, I agree with you, John,
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm thinking I know that Boise is seven
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: eight yeah, and that's and I used to work, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: like with Idaho state up in the Fruitland, and that's
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: seven A. But I'm you know, I just don't know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Portalaine is cold country. That's cold country. Yeah, yeah, somebody
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: posted just now I was looking here. You know, it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: cool having you guys on Facebook Live. I consider you
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: just act like I'm hanging out with it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Exactly as well.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the chat feature happening to you ask questions.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Veronica in Spring Valley has a question about the
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: topic of fruit trees and pots. She says that they're
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: in really large pots and she wants to know how
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: often and when she should fertilize, and because of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: heat wave they had in January, her kara kara orange
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and her satsuma set fruit that's still not ripe, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: would it be better to remove the fruit and just
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: wait for them to flower again? She said, they're usually
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: ripen in the winter.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean my care care is set. I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: I've got fruit on my care so, I mean, I
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: you know, it's I don't know. That's a tough one.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: That's another one of those tough ones to answer. But fertilizing,
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: you know, my containers, I fertilize three times a year,
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: So I fertilize once February March, then I fertilize again
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: May June, and then I fertilize again August September. So
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: that's those are three fertilizations. I stick to acid fertilizers.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: I shop cheap products that have the ingredients that I'm
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: looking for, So I choose the ingredients and then I
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: shop value because fertilizer is expensive.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you have a lot, when you have a
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: lot like like John, John, how many Oh we got
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: to take a break again in a minute.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, so you can set the stage.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, because John buys fertilizer in bulk. How many bags
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: do you buy usually when you because you placed that
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: order once a year?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just ten?
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: But how big are they?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Twenty pound fifty pound bags?
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: So you buy five hundred pounds of fertilizer? Right? Wow, wow,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: that's a lot. So all right, we got to take
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: a break.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Good fertilizer though it is, by the way, Kevinson zone
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: five cordiline.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, zone five,
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Zone zone five is tough.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, we are going to take a break.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And by the way, our next after the break, it's
• 30:23
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• 30:25
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• 30:28
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• 30:31
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• 30:33
  Speaker 4: And so I gotta go home though, oh you do, okay,
• 30:35
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• 30:36
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• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian,
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: John and Tiger.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, my friends. It is Garden America.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: It's at Livo, Brian Maine, John Begnascar, at Tiger, Pelafox,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Fruit and Soil Zones. Boy a lot to cover more questions, Tiger.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Ed Ed Livo is joining us from Edible Solutions.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Now you're focused on your YouTube videos, right Ed? Now?
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I you know, I work with a
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: lot of different nurseries here. You know, primarily I do
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: a lot of work out at Dave Wilson because you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: they have an enormous budwould orchard that just allows me
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: to go out and experiment with a lot of the
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: varieties that I actually put in there years and years ago.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: So it's kind of cool. But you know, with the Zeggers,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: I work with the Birchels, I work with Generation Growers.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of different people I have the privilege
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: of working with here, and so I make videos only
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: because of exactly what I was explaining before. I'm trying
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: I work with a lot of young people, You'll notice,
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: and it's really because I'm trying to appeal to the
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: younger audience to you know, get them inspired to enjoy
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: fruit and experiment with fruit. We're in an ere and
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: now when fruit you made this point to Tiger, when
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: fruit is so amazing, so much above a Santa Rosa
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: plum that you know you would have to take and
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: you know you would have to be a person of
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: limited exposure to only say I love the Santa Rosa
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: plumb and I don't like anything else.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right, I mean that's so true. And the
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: other thing too about it in these new growing of
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: trees is you know, the day of having that one
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: apricot tree in your backyard or that one plumb tree
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: in your backyard are over because I mean, as we
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: were just talking about, it's not a matter of putting
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: it in the ground, letting it, letting it get fifteen
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: feet tall by fifteen foot wide. No no, no, like
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: keep it in the pot, keep it at maybe eight
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: feet tall. You know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Oh you know what, we're not doing eight feet anymore.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: We're doing we're doing five to six. Oh my gosh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: we're saying five to cent. And I can tell you
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: my colleagues all agree. If we don't start getting people
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: to really keep those trees nice and low. You look
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: at the lot sizes that people are dealing with right now.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: I develop backyard archid culture in the late seventies early
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: eighties based on the fact that lot sizes were so small.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, come on, they were anchorages compared to what
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: they're getting today.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: And you know what's really cool though, at about that
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: idea of keeping it small too, because I've seen some
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: really well kept fruit trees a very low in height,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: is that the branching on it, the structure is so
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: strong that what it can hold on a tree, the fruit,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: you know, what it can hold nowadays is so amazing
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: because you know, if you keep it compact and you
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: keep the branching structure strong, you're gonna get just as
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: much fruit, but you don't have to climb ten feet
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: into the air to grab it anymore off of that weak,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: you know, hanging branch kind of a thing. You know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I've seen so many fruit on just one branch of
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: these varieties. It's really neat.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: But you get a you know, you're only dealing with
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: your primary scaffolds are two feet long. You know, your
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: secondaries are another like two two and a half feet long,
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: and then your fruiting wood, you know, is all amongst
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: all all inside of that let's say five foot six
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: foot character. And you're right, Tiger, there's plenty of fruit
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: for any family. Yeah, you know that gets produced on
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: these trees that are managed at a reasonable high But
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: backyard orchard culture is really something that kind of aged out,
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: you know when myself and Tom Spelman and you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: we were working so hard to promote it back in
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: the nineties. It was butcher pruning for me when I
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: started in the eighties. And then I think everybody that
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: we impressed with the idea and the sharing of that knowledge,
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: I think they've aged out. I think, you know, I'm
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: kind of realizing that we may have taught the concept,
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: but we didn't teach them to be teachers.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Gotcha, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: it's tough because you know, as we were talking about,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: like you know, people can't just go to a store
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: and buy a fruit tree. I mean, if they go
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: to a nursery, you know, they're going to get the
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: information right, like this is going to grow well in
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: your area, Like we were just talking about Kevin In
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: and Cordulaine, like you know, Kevin, I, you know, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: if you go to a local garden center up there,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: they're not going to sell you something that's not going
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: to grow up there, you know. But you know, we
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: struggle with box stores because sometimes they do and that's
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: where people, I think, get this sense of like failure,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: are unhappy with something because as they're like, oh, they
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: sold it, Timmy and I should be able to have apricots,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: and you're like, well, you're in Canada, you know, kind
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: of a dang.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: Well it's if it's like a hardcot Man.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Winnie in the winter.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: See, John, I've got a couple of two or three minutes.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Any more questions?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: John comments, Well, Carlin Huntington Beach wants to know why
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: are white nectarines so hard to find and so expensive
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: in the stores.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, okay, So that's an interesting question simply because
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: one thing that we're realizing is that the sub acid
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: whites are not as popular as they used to be.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: This new generation really likes complex flavors more. And the
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: transition that has to happen from these growers that have
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: you know, been growing these sub acid whites for so
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: long to get in these more complex flavored varieties and
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: satisfy that market. It's slow in coming, and and you
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: don't even want to hear my rant about we've got
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: to start. They've got to start selling fruit by name.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: You know, this this idea of white peach and yellow
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: nectarine and yellow peach and all that, that's got to
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: go away. That is absolutely a rip off to the
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: consumer because we don't get to really embrace the great
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: varieties of fruit that makes us come back and look
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: forward to them in the future. And that's got to
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: stop in the farmer's markets and the new picks.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and you're so righted. And we've talked about
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: that before where it's doing a disservice to everyone out
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: there because when you see a fruit and we deal
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: with this with the halo, the qtie, you know, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like, tell them what variety of mandarin
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: that is, so that way when they want to go
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: plant it, they can go to a garden center and say, hey,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: I want this mandarin. I tried it, I loved it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I want to grow it in my backyard. But if
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: you say key, they come into the nursery and they're like, hey,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: I want a cutie you're like, sorry, don't don't shop here.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: Then well, and you know it, funny, Tiger. I love that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: That's a great example, because you know, what are your cuties?
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Your quties now are three different varieties three or four
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: different varieties of mandarin. Yeah, depending on the time of
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: the season. They used to be all clementines, but they're
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: not anymore.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Hey, Ed, we're wrapping up our show right now with
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: our first hour with you when I thank you very
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: much for joining us. I think we got all of
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: our questions answered. There lots of great topics covered. Edible
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: solutions YouTube.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Right edible solutions on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Hey, Ed, are you going to be sticking around online
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: for people who want to post questions for you? So
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that I don't want to? If you've got somewhere to go,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that's fine, but I think a couple of people might
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: have questions.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: You could just hang out.
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: I've got it, I've got it up and I've like
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: I said, I'm doing video right now, so I you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: I want to finish before the light starts to get crazy.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: All right, I did a lot this morning.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you so much. We do appreciate it. Dan
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: he's going to be hanging around, so Ed, we'll talk
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to you down the road. Thank you.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: All right, we look forward to it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: All right, very good. Okay.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: On that note, we are going to shut down Facebook
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: just like before we started this morning, so we can
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you know, revamp everything, and so we to make sure
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: that we still stay on the air for a period
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: of time. So grab that cup of coffee, a quick
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: bite to eat. We're back at six minutes after here
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: on Garden America. Biz Talk Radio Hour two coming up next. Well,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: good evening, good afternoon, good morning, welcome to our two.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: If you're on biz Talk Radio Garden America. I'm talking
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: about Facebook Live. Thank you for tuning in. As we
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: restarted everything top of the hour. We regenerate, We we restart.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: People tell you, yeah, well people will respawn. You know
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: how people say, restart your computer if there's a problem.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: That's always like the last resort or restarted. We restart
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the show every week to make sure we begin with
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a clean slate.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: We uh we we we get a reboot, we reboot,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: we restart. What else do we redo?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: John, you know you've got me thinking about cartoons all day.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I was trying to think of
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: a clean slate.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I know, so was I exactly when that hit me?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you know you can always text me because I'm
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: going to give those of you that that read my
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: cartoons on Facebook. I'm going to give John credit for
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of those that are his idea. But he said,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I don't Why don't want credit? You don't need to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: give me credit. No, you don't, but I want to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: acknowledge it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: We have people starting to join us now. But we
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: had a question for ed the last hour that we
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: didn't get answered, and the question was from Danish. You
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: wanted to know where the Kara kara naval orange got
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: its name from. And it it Cara Kara is a
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: naval orange that's pink right inside. It was a sport
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: of a that was found on a tree of a
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: carra of a naval orange Washington Naval And where they
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: found that tree was at the Hacienda Caracara in Venezuela.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: So that's where the name came from from. Yeah, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: then I'll say also, Cara means beloved in Italian, so
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: they thought that helped the popularity of the tree show.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Just Cara is beloved yeah, but Cara, Cara beloved, beloved.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Love it beloved.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: We'll have John as a guest on next week, The
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: History of Fruit. Yeah, and you know in Venezuela, you say.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: In Venezuela at the carl. But as long as you're
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: giving credit where it's due, we have to give check
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: GPT credit on that one.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: So that could be completely false.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: No, well it could.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: It could be.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: But you know what that sounds. That sounds so different
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: that it's probably true.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean that is the truth. I mean,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: you know, we talk about where plants get their names
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: from or where they kind of come from, and you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: plants are a global trade, you know, and we talked
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: about the early plant hunters going into the rainforest or
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: forest or all these other places and pulling out you
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: know what they you know, the car car, like you said,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: it was a Valencia first, right, Valencia isn't a native not.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Of Washington or Washington Naval right.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not a native citrus either. Where that was
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: crossed to create what it was like if you kind
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: of go back all the way in time, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: to like the very first citrus, they were not amazing
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: citrus like they are today kind of like what Ed's
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: talking about with all.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: These thinking about the ones in the Garden of Eden,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: because they were pretty good.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: They don't get much better than that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Well, what did they compare it against?
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: Though?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, but then after the fall, He's right, after
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the fall, their apples were pretty good, I heard, Oh,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: but you.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Know, I mean they're comparing it to the only apple
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I've ever eaten. They comparing it to like stinging nettle
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: in grass? What was their options? But but you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: like it's gonna be kind of like what Ed was
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: talking about with fruit trees. Now there's all these crazy varieties, right,
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: these very unique, great flavor, great growing.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I agree with what you were saying. It's hard to
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: even get wrap your head around all these new ones
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: coming out.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's gonna be people are going to be like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: we're gonna eat an ape. We're gonna eat a new
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: apricot in ten to fifteen years, and we're gonna be
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: like this is amazing and people, and and we're gonna
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: be like back in my day, this apricot it was
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: not this good kind.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Of an of of what you're saying, and this applies
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I think to all of us who garden it is,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: take part in gardening, but at the same time, stay
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: out of the way.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Now, now think about that. You know I'm talking about you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: You can over okay, all right, you can do to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: want Okay, well, listen to what I'm saying.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: All right, all right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: So, for the most part, before we came, before people
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: started taking care of plans, they did.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: They did quite well on their own, yeah, but they
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: were terrible tasting.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about gardening in general, not just fruits. I'm
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: talking about gardening in general. Okay, they survive well. Right
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: now we come along. We want to make it better,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: we want to get fertilizer, we want to take part.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, sometimes you have to step back,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: and it's almost like overwatering. I think you can overly
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: care for something when it doesn't need to be you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: care that much, do the basics, do the basics, but
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: then step back and let it do It's thing, you.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Know, to expand on what you're saying, Brian, uh, Brian,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I really hadn't thought about this until Ed mentioned it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: But you know, if you go back to to early
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: times when people started selecting grains and things, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: for food that the tendency was every time something sweeter
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: came along, that's what they wanted. So a lot of
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the modern foods today are loaded with sugars.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at sweet corn. Absolutely yep, I.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Mean you I would say most people today could not
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: eat sweet corn from from one hundred years ago because
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: it's going to taste.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: So bad to them.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, you know exactly, yeah what I'm saying.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: But what And so in my mind, I guess I
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: was always thinking that the improvements and fruit trees are
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: there becoming sweeter and sweeter. But one of the things
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Ed mentioned was that people are looking for more complex flavors.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: So it's not just the sweetness, it's you know, all
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: these different flavors mix together.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean, And to support your position is
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: if everybody wanted sweet, everybody would purchase you know, sweet
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: appartee for you know, these sweet rise of tomatoes. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: but that's not what everybody wants. Some people want, like
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: you say, the more complex flavors or the different flavor
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: And so that's why there's such a wide varieties of
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: tomatoes because there's one for everyone. And that kind of
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: goes back to the fruit trees, like what you're saying,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: we would all be just if that's what everybody wanted,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: we just have sweet fruit trees. But you know, now
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: these complex flavors, very unique, very different. It's really neat
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: to see the evolution happen in our eyes and to
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, go back to what Brian
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: was saying, where we get out of the way of gardening,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: it would have I don't know if it would have
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: ever gotten to the position where we're at if we
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: got out of the way of allowing fruit trees to
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: genetically cross and do what they're doing over there at
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Zager and Dave Wilson. I mean, that's not and nothing
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: against like what they're doing. I support what they're doing,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: but that's not nat natural, you know what I mean.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: And I've talked about gardening in general.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: How you can Bruce used to call it benign neglect,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: right you can. You're like, okay, you've done enough, step
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: back and let it do its thing. Where some people
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: all the time, like we talk about overwatering, right, stop watering.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: It's killing with kindness.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: It's killing with kindness exactly.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: But you're right about and you say, if people want this,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: people want that, who are these people who do and
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: who do they report to to let him know this
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is what they want? Or is it just a bunch
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of people like you know, like Ed Ed certain that
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: he runs around in Right this, guys, I got an idea.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Some are listening to the show, right, I know what
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: you say. I have an idea. Let's do this. Let
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: people you will like this. When we're done, you will
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: like the flavor. Now, he said cherry. That that my
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: ears went up.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Anything crossed with the cherry.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I love cherry. I love cherries, anything cherry.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: What if? What if we had a cherry in a
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: coconut tree? And Oh, that'd be amazing.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Coconuts right up there, right, I think Coca Cola has
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a cherry coconut flavor.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I really do, I really do. Speaking of chemicals, that
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: would be great.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Carla thinks you're going way over board. She said, she's
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: not very complex. She just likes white neckdarams.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: And I love how she just is white because I
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: don't think there's no offense, Carla. I don't think there
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: is one variety called white neck dream right, So just
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: the color, yeah, exactly.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And you talk We talked about how they sell you
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: plants or fruit that don't do well in certain areas. Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: that's I think locally we have a lot of that
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: And I you know it's the box stores because they
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: bring in something that just looks great and they put
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: it out there and people buy it, and then they
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: realize like, oh wow, this doesn't grow in my area
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: or this won't produce fruit in my area.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Did you want fruit with that?
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Or you don't think they're as bad as they used
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: to be, No, they're not because they.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Got a lot of flat Yeah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I mean I remember when they first moved to California,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the box stores and you went in and they all
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: had red delicious apples, yeah, cherries yeah.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And but I mean I will still say they
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: will sell you a beef steak tomato in December though
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: still you know, like they still do that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that is. That's probably my biggest
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: beef with them, No fun intended, Yeah, but yeah, to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: sell vegetables out of season that have zero chants of
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: being successful with And now we have.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Fruit all year long because everything's frozen. Here, I have
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: something that's not in season, but it's frozen, you'll like.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: It, yeah, And I mean you know, I think that
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: it's really kind of also neat to see where fruit
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: come from, like like like you said, his car car
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: from Venezuela. Like we get a lot of fruit from
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: all around the world world, and it's really neat and
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: different stuff, and sometimes we don't even have here.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, you know you're taking this to a break.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Great timing, So we're gonna take a break for BIS
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Talk Radio Facebook Live. We have three more segments coming up. Oh, folks,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: we're just getting started. We are just getting started. It
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: is Guard in America back after these messages. Okay, we
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: promised we'd be back. We didn't promise, we alluded to it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: We're back, I promised.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, keeper, Yes, you're gentle on my mind.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Saying I promised Red hind me of the song. I
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: never promised you a rose garden. And the only reason
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I bring that up right because it sounds off top.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: If you want to you want to stay on topic,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: it's okay.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Well, the article I wrote in the newsletter was about
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: our friend who passed away a couple of weeks ago,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Cliff Warrant out in the desert, and what an amazing
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: person he was and how everything he did he did
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: like you would say, Brian with gusta, Yeah. I mean,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: you know he was a child prodigy. He was self
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: taught and played the piano by ear when he.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Was four years old. Did you say everything he touched
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: turned to gold? He's one of those.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't just the opposite, actually, but.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: You said he was successful in all these endeavors.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: He was successful, but I don't know if he was
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: the best businessman. Oh, but everything he did was with
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of enthusiasm.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I like the fact in the article you wrote
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: that he was curious about his next door neighbor and
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the roses and he wanted to get involved. And she said, no,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: you know nothing about roses, and he said, no, I know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think I didn't have room to
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: write everything I wanted to write about that. But to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: finish that story up that you just alluded to, Brian,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: he said, you could teach me, and so it started
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: a lifelong friendship. And then Cliff started breeding some roses hisself.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I think he maybe has like eight that he bred himself,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: and one he named after his neighbor, Missus Robinson, so
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: it's called Missus Robinson and he grew a plant for her,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: brought it over and you can guess what its comment was,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: here's to you, missus Robinson.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Or there's the other line in that movie too. You're
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: trying to seduce me, aren't you, missus Robinson?
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: That well, you know, now that's a that's a that's
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: a great story. Yeah, it's a great story. That was
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: She had to be touched. Come on, right, I think so.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: But everything Cliff did, you know, was was overboard. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: mean he really got into everything. Like after Roses he
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: went into Plummeria and I showed the picture of his
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: first plumme area that I took at his house a
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: couple of months ago. Oh yeah, it's like the biggest
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: one I've ever seen in California.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And that that is illegal in many states. It's it's
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: that big I've ever seen one like that.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: It's not going to grow in Cordelaine. If Kevin is
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: still listened, Kevin, you're five, right, zone five?
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Zone five?
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not a five. I give him a solid
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: eight seven and a half.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: But for any of our listeners out there that new
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Cliff or want to know more about him, I have.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I got the information that some of the information I
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: used in the article from a a email that I
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: got from his brother. And Cliff's brother, who, by the way,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: is the world famous Dennis and he had another one
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: who was a world famous conductor.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that Dennis could be world famous. What
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: do you do to achieve that level? Well, you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: it's famous Dennis. Yeah, it's anyone in the industry knows him.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how good he is, at least I've heard.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Where was that going with that?
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: So, anyway, I got a letter from U or an
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: email from his brother, and in it was a copy
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: of Cliff's autobiography full obituary giographical, right, autobiographical obituary.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: He wrote, Yeah, a biographical he wrote, it makes sense, right.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: So, but there's so much information in there about Cliff,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: and it was a lot of it. And I've known
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Cliff for years, but there was a lot of stuff
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: in there that I just did not know. I told
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: you guys before the show that he was he was
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: in a college a cappella group with David Eisenhower, and
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: you know, he danced with Princess Anne and Princess Grace.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: But Anyway, if somebody does want a copy of that,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it would be fine for me to forward
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: you a copy. If you just send me a note
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: at Johnigardenamerica dot com, I'll be happy to send you
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: a copy.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Awesome. Yeah, it's always it's always kind of fun. I mean,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: we were talking about this, I think it was last show,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: and maybe we weren't talking about it on air, but
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: you were talking about storage and you're just not a
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: collector of things. But I will say that it is
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: nice to leave some stuff behind that is a good
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: representation of who you are, because then you know, when
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: you do pass and people are going through it, they
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: can look back and they can say, oh, you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize John was a part of this, or
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: he also went here during this or met these people,
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: because it's always nice to learn about people even after
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: they pass their experiences.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: So well, you know that, uh was you?
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Or Brian was talking the first hour about the names
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: of plants and where they come from, and how it's
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: always good to know him because there's so much history
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: behind it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: You know that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: That's why I feel about roses. You know, when I
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: see a name on a rose, I want to know
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: where it came from, why it was called. And I
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: learned a lot of history just from that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and kind of like, I mean, you mentioned Cliff Rows,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: you know Missus Robinson, you would instantly think like, okay,
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: I know why they named Missus Robinson.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: That, but but I would think of the movie first that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Most people wouldn't realize. Oh, it was just the name
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: of his neighbor and he created it for her. That's funny.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: But he did it as a play on words too,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: you know, he just wanted. Oh, I don't know how
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: long he thought about saying here's to you, Missus Robinson.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: Every time he crossed one, hoping it was going to
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: take exactly he was ready for it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: I was kind of sad.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Last time I was there a couple months ago. He
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: had a rose named after his mother, who I guess
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: was named Daisy because the rose is called Daisy.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: And he asked me to dig it up because he said,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen after I'm gone,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and it won't be long, would you please.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Dig it up and take care of it nice? So
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I dug it up, brought it home, and in full
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: bloom right now, nice.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: Nice, that's a lot of pressure for you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think his roses are widespread, so I would
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: like to keep them going.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Carla made a comment first hour about a bus tour
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that we took to Cliff's house when he was in
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: the desert in Morongo Valley, and she said she remembers
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: picking up up some roses there no longer alive.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: It was you know, I.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: I just can't say enough about the type of person
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that's that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: And that was a great article that you wrote for him.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: By the way, it was good.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, I brought Bryant to tears.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: It was a little emotionless early in the morning. Sun
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: hadn't come up yet, it was quiet.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Had something in my eye.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Veronica says that your high biscus is almost bigger than
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: the pot.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: It's a giant high biscus. Yes, And.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: And she said it was really nice. She liked everybody's pictures.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: She liked Kevin's flocks and Carla's, Carla's you know, I'm
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: trying to think did they change the genus at Carla
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: had approving daffodil, and the genus used to be is Meani,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Now did they change that to something else?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I waste it break time anyway, so you can contemplate
• 59:06
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• 59:09
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• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: from fernlom On in the New Future at all Tigers
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: talking about some of the products. Maybe we're still what's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: kicking around now?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: You know, why do I need to know?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Why are you putting me on the spot like that judging?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna need to know, basis.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: I don't like that.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm talking about Clyus Roses. He found a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: sport of a rose called Rosie o'donald. The rose was
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: called he found a sport of Rosi o'donald and and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: he lost that rose and I lost mine. But my
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: good friend Jan in Brentwood, California says she has it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: somewhere and I would love to get Budwood for that.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Jan and he called the sport Trump cart. Oh okay,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: that's back when Rosie and Trump were before Trump was president.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: We're buddy buddies.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when they were feuding, so he had a good
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: sense of humor.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: Now you said you lost yours, right, Yes, what was
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: the last place you saw it?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Right above a gopher Let's trace your steps, right, it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: was right above a gopher hole.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: Have you ever lost a rose in your in your
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: collection of roses and be like, oh, man, then found
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: it later? Yeah, and then found it later.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe I usually know where the roses are.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: I did lose.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I told you the story about how I lost all
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: those orchids. Yeah, because I wasn't growing orchids. And then
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I decided to go around the property and clean up
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: and found out that that I had fifty or sixty
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: orchids that.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: Were just covered with weeds. I'm still pulling out weeds
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: of mine. Oxalis is the last. I got all the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: grass out. Ox Sallis is just because it comes up
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: right in the I don't know the division the parts
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: of the plant, you know where you know, it's easy
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: when you're just weeding around the soil, But when it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: in the plant, getting those out that's the challenge.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, it really bugs me when grass comes up in there.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got that all out, because once you let
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: it grow about three or four inches, you can pull
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: that and it kind of comes out. But the oxls
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: for some reason, I can't get it out.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're thinking of something different than I am.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: What are you?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of pulling it out. It's at the base
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: of a rose. Oh, and you got to get your hand.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: You don't thorns. And I did that the other day.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I pulled and it was hard to get so I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: pulled extra hard and then.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: You got it ripped my hands. Yeah, shredded.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts about weeds that grew up through
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: the cracks of sidewalks?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: I mean more power to them, I guess, so I
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: mean proud of them, perseverance sidewalk crack.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: I remember people coming over to my old house and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: being impressed with the garden because it was more finished
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: than the new guard. But there were pansies blooming and cracks. Yeah,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: and they bade the comment to my wife. Even John's
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: weeds have.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, even John's weeds are our specific plants.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: That just sounds funny. Panties are blooming cracks. Just it's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: a funny statement.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: La Lila came through. It's mean he's hymenocalous.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Now, oh good thing, she's musically knowledgeable.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh and Daffadaville, Daffadaville Defadeville knowledgeable.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: That's Cruella's sister.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Who's married to Daffy.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Doug's one hundred and reference John, you did it?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: You know that is I will say one thing that
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: I do miss about modern plants is the receding. You
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, because a lot of the new
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: annuals are sterile, so they and they designed him that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: way so that way they don't just recede throughout your garden.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: But that's where we kind of lose.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: That's not why they designed them that way. Why they
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: designed them that way so they can only be reproduced vegetatively. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: and they can make more money. Yeah, exactly was Yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: you're trying to be nice. I was trying to be nice,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: but like, you know.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: But the sad thing about it is like like I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: just said, like I don't I don't have and I mean,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: this isn't bad, but I don't have a listen popping
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: up wherever. I don't have pansies popping up wherever. I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: don't have petunias or viola or snap dragons popping up wherever,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: because these new varieties don't recede in your garden like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: they would back you know, what was that Maybe I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: don't know, not that long ago, twenty years ago, when
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: they kind of were more you know, just free, free seeding,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: more snuals, more CD, more CD annuals.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: There's one for your CD part of town. John, work
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: on that one.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: I had.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I have some cosmos coming up from seed and it's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: interesting because they're much different than the hybrids that I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: planted a couple of years ago, so they're bigger, not
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: as compact. I'm really disappointed with the new annuals though,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's just a problem I'm having,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: but any of the petunias that I buy just.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: Will not grow.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: No, And I'm thinking that it's because of the growth
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: hormones they put on them.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Are you planting me in the ground or in pots?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: In the ground.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: I feel like they're designing all these plants for pots.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: I feel that, like you say, I struggle here. The
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: minute I put in the ground, put doesn't grow well.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: In a pot it grows just fine.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, now that you mentioned that, I not set too.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: I feel like they're only designing over pots. I feel
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: like the whole idea of growing it in your garden
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: is kind of like left the left the building. They
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: only want potted patio people to now plant.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Plants discrimination do that.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, But I mean, I guess we can order
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: seeds online because we can still get all these seeds.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and there's still seat Savers Exchange around that has.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: All the old air little seed varieties.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Carlos says that she has a dwarf fig in a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: pot for about a year and it's not doing well.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: It's got brown spots on leaves and they fall off.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: It's very spinley and bear Now.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: What should she do?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't like to be overwatered.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: They we would get bear root fig trees in every
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: year and we just put them directly into cans because
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: we didn't do the whole sawdust thing.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Ten of them, nine of them would die, one of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: them would live, and we never watered them in a pot.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: We never watered them. They hate being overwatered.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Right, so so you've got to be careful about that.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: And then and then you you know, a good fertilizer
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: would help Enrichess soil.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, probably overwatering is her issue, you know, because.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: You know, once a once a a plant is filled
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: up a container and its root bound, it's actually there
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: more resistant to overwatering than when they're not. That's why
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: you try not to overpot plants.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: It was I didn't know.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: About the.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: The roots on citrus that Ed was saying. Citrus almost
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: never root to the bottom of a can because of
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the phytops.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: He talks about that one third of nothing going on
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: down at the bottom. He said, there just kind of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: no man land.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: Because it's too damp, and the roots, the citrus roots
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: don't grow, you know. And this is a great you
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: know kind of people when people buy a citrus tree
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: and from the nursery and then they pull it out,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: there's always that soil that breaks away at the bottom,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: and people think, oh no, it's not rooted. No, no, no,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: they just don't grow like that. They don't. They don't
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: grow into wet soil. So, you know, that's just the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: way it is. They always do, you know, they always
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: kind of fall apart. They don't. They don't become root
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: bound a lot like the other bushes.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: You want to see the roots sticking out of the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: side of the pot.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: I mean for the most part, for the most Yeah,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: it'd have to be there for a pretty long time
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: for that to happen. Yeah, but it's very more common
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: in other varieties of trees and shrubs. Like you're saying, Brian,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: those various stutes.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: Of your.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Daisy's got a solution for Carla. She's trying, she said.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: She she puts the fig in the ground, then she
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: digs it up, puts it back in a pot till
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: it looks good. Then she puts it back in the ground.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: She takes it up.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Oh Man.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: And jan and Brentwood says that birds plant fig trees everywhere,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: especially in her rose garden.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Birds, Yeah, that's funny. She was have a neighbor
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: with a with a fig close by, right, birds are squirrels, something's.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Bringing over another for a tree that comes up a
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  Speaker 3: lot from seed. Is low quats. Oh, they're almost sweaty.
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  Speaker 5: They low quats are wheedy, they are I will they're
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  Speaker 5: fast growing, right, very fast growing. Those are ones that
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  Speaker 5: you know, we were talking about fruit trees and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: this year they produced well this year, they didn't you know,
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  Speaker 5: the environment all this low quats will grow and produce
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  Speaker 5: no matter what year, what type of year, it is, right, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, break time. We have one more segment to wrap up.
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  Speaker 2: Last minute business chick chap set the stage next week.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's coming into buyers next week.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we got that's that's it for certain.
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  Speaker 5: It's a for sertain for sure, as long as I
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  Speaker 5: get on my ball and answer her email. She said yes,
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  Speaker 5: but she said send me the details. And I'm like sure, We're.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna take take a break.
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  Speaker 3: One more segment Friday morning, back.
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  Speaker 2: After these messages on BIS Talk Radio. Okay, this is
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: said the epilogue, Johnt final segment. You wrap things up?
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  Speaker 4: What did we miss? What do we talk about? What
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  Speaker 4: the highlights? What was your favorite?
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  Speaker 3: What's the difference between a prologue and a preface?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the prologue is for only professionals. Deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: You can have a log, but you had better be
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  Speaker 2: a pro And what was the second preface? Okay, well
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  Speaker 2: you want to preface that before you start. Always preface before,
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  Speaker 2: don't just jump into it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the reason I was wondering, as I'm thinking, and
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  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I was thinking, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: preface is the author's note, and a prologue is actually
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  Speaker 3: something before the story starts, but related to the story.
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  Speaker 4: If you want sure, if that's easy for you to grasp,
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  Speaker 4: we shall speak no more of this.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I was thinking of that is I usually
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  Speaker 3: see prologues and books, but the one I told you
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  Speaker 3: I was. I started reading Living Life Backwards as a preface,
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  Speaker 3: and what intrigued me was it started out, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to die, maybe I'll be dead before you read, before
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  Speaker 3: you read this, or while you're reading this, you get
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  Speaker 3: my mind going exploding. It was, uh, I like the
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  Speaker 3: premise of the preface because it's Living Life Backwards refers
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  Speaker 3: to the book of Ecclesiastes and knowing where you're going
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  Speaker 3: to end up, and so starting life from that point,
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  Speaker 3: knowing you're going to die, and then doing everything.
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  Speaker 4: That you need to prepare for that where going back.
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  Speaker 3: In a normal life, you start from one point and
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  Speaker 3: you think, I want to do this, I want to
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  Speaker 3: accomplish this, I want to do this, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. And if you already
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  Speaker 3: knew where you were going to end up and then
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  Speaker 3: just went backwards from.
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  Speaker 5: That, interesting do you do you read books from the
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  Speaker 5: last page.
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  Speaker 3: No, I told you my mother used to. She always
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  Speaker 3: read the last chapter.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's sort of like Colombo. When Colombo was in its prime,
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  Speaker 2: you saw the crime committed as the viewer, you knew
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  Speaker 2: he didn't how's he going to solve it?
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  Speaker 4: Right? And every every show before that.
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  Speaker 5: So you knew whoever was on trial you saw, you saw.
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  Speaker 2: The murder, right and then and then he has to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: come in and investigate every other show prior to that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know to the very end.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you go, okay, I know who did it?
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  Speaker 4: How's he going to figure this out? And just kind
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  Speaker 4: of like kind of like working backwards a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: It is it, Carl, and you make it one you
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  Speaker 5: may It makes you wonder how you're they're going to
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  Speaker 5: make it interesting? Right, That's that's almost harder than working forward.
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  Speaker 4: And he'll he'll come up with things that even though
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  Speaker 4: you know who did it, that led up to it,
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  Speaker 4: that you didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Know even know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now that we're doing book reviews, I old TV
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  Speaker 3: shows and old TV shows, all kinds of reviews. I
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  Speaker 3: just finished two books that were from first time authors,
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  Speaker 3: and they were one for sure was in my top
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  Speaker 3: five books I've ever read in my life, and the
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  Speaker 3: other was Library. Yeah, that's a lot of books, and
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  Speaker 3: the other was an older book. But still it just
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  Speaker 3: amazed me because they were both from first time authors
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  Speaker 3: and they both ended up New York Times bestsellers. O'Brien,
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  Speaker 3: poopoos that list.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in New York Times, besz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the one I've recommended on air before is
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  Speaker 3: the new one out, theo of Golden And then the
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  Speaker 3: other one was older book called The Piano Tuner, and
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  Speaker 3: I was just fascinated by the way that it's written.
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  Speaker 3: I should mention in between it, I'm I read the
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  Speaker 3: worst book I've ever read in my life, and it
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  Speaker 3: was so bad that's the only reason I finished it.
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  Speaker 4: I would you know what I would title a book.
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  Speaker 4: That would be my title if I ever.
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  Speaker 3: Wrote a book, the worst book you've ever the worst book.
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  Speaker 2: You've ever read, and people would read it like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like I'll read that, Yeah, the worst book.
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  Speaker 4: You'll ever read.
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  Speaker 5: What would you stand in line.
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  Speaker 4: For toilet paper? Guess we did that, yeah back in
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  Speaker 4: the seventies.
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  Speaker 5: No, but like voluntarily voluntarily, like if there was an
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  Speaker 5: amazing meal, Okay, would you stand in line for thirty
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  Speaker 5: minutes and.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, thirty minutes that long?
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  Speaker 5: That's a long time. I would say thirty minute line.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know how long would you stand in line
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  Speaker 3: at Disneyland to get on her own?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's yes, because that's a rock. I
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  Speaker 5: would do that. I would do that. I guess that's
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  Speaker 5: what you do when you do.
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  Speaker 4: So there's an answer. You answered your question.
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  Speaker 5: I would stand in line for some kind of experience.
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  Speaker 5: I would. I would never stand in line for a meal.
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  Speaker 4: I would stand in line to be shot up into
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  Speaker 4: space for a few minutes and go weightless and come
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  Speaker 4: back down.
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  Speaker 5: That you would stay in line for that, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Thirty minutes, absolutely, go up and experience weightlessness.
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  Speaker 5: Would you show up there the night before and like
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  Speaker 5: set up your chair?
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  Speaker 4: Well, if I know it's only going to be thirty minutes,
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to.
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  Speaker 3: Well no, but I'm saying, like longer would Youre's an
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  Speaker 3: answer to your question, Okay, and I think you might agree.
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  Speaker 3: John and Newport Beach, he'd stand in line for ice cream.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny that John says that there's a place called
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  Speaker 5: Ann's Dry Cleaning. It's an ice cream place on the way.
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  Speaker 4: Called something else. It's not dry cleaning.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's an ice cream place. It's on the way
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  Speaker 5: to my daughter's school. Every day. There is a line.
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  Speaker 5: I've I'm aware of it. It's probably like at least
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  Speaker 5: like a twenty to thirty minute Wait, what's in this
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  Speaker 5: ice It's weird, weird, flesh bougie, ye fancy ice cream.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm sorry, I've had it before. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not flying to stay in line for that ice.
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  Speaker 3: Cream like ty curry mint, those kind of flavors charcoal
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  Speaker 3: something or another.
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  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, pizza flavored ice cream.
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  Speaker 5: That's funny because yes, so all right, so we know
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  Speaker 5: John's ice cream, you know, because uh yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 5: funny what people will stand in line for, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because says she'd stand in line for an author
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  Speaker 3: that she liked.
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  Speaker 5: All right, that's and that's cool experience because you can
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: actually say hi to them, right say you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if you hopefully have a few seconds to interact with
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  Speaker 5: them a little bit, maybe get a little insight into
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  Speaker 5: who they are.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about the next auction coming up in
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: April right at the World Federation of Ros Symposium and
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: the hundredth anniversary of the San Diego Rose Society and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: the National Convention of the American Roses.
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  Speaker 4: So you go a bitter start standing in line now
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  Speaker 4: for that. Hey, we're done. I was gonna tell you
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  Speaker 4: about that now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't see the time seven forty eight sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: all right, save it for next week. Remind me thank
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  Speaker 2: you for joining us. A big thank you to our
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  Speaker 2: guest and live ow. Nicely done, ed and hope you
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  Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of your weekend. It's gonna be cool
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  Speaker 2: for a while here in San Diego, gonna heat up again,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully where you are reading California, yikes. Enjoy the rest
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  Speaker 2: of your weekend, Be safe, have a great weekend. We'll
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  Speaker 2: do it again next week right here, Tiger's Poolhouse, San Diego, California.
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  Speaker 4: On guard in America. Take care
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