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The Late Debate | 29 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debase. Good evening, Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kayla Bond with freyer Leitch and filling in for
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  Speaker 2: James McPherson this week.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Rodgers, is what's coming up tonight?
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  Speaker 2: How much do you think is fair to charge your
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  Speaker 2: family for a six month pass to a local pool?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a couple hundred bucks? I mean, you already pay
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  Speaker 2: your council rates, right, but you won't believe what one
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  Speaker 2: council is trying to fleece young families. In the papers,
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  Speaker 2: the state governments are ganging up against the federal government
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  Speaker 2: and saying enough is enough with the massive tax hikes
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  Speaker 2: that have caused the illicit cigarette market to explode. And later,
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  Speaker 2: is it okay to keep using your ex's credit card
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  Speaker 2: to buy takeaway food online? Well, one woman spent thousands
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  Speaker 2: and it's lit up Sydney's social scene. But first down
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria where else you know? I feel like every
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  Speaker 2: second night at least we have one of these only
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria stories. Well, we've got two of them for
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  Speaker 2: you tonight. The first one is that last to your
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  Speaker 2: bunch of academics got together at RMI two University and
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  Speaker 2: they held a roundtable discussion about youth crime, because of
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  Speaker 2: course we know how big a problem youth crime is
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria at the moment, and they came up with
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  Speaker 2: a really novel idea because last year, fifty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the people who were locked up in youth prisons were African,
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  Speaker 2: so clearly there is an issue with crime in young
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  Speaker 2: African community. So they had this bright idea at this roundtable,
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  Speaker 2: which produced a report that came out with six potential
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  Speaker 2: answers to youth crime. They said we should have segregation.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm not kidding. They said we should investigate the
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  Speaker 2: idea of a court specifically for alleged African offenders, essentially
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  Speaker 2: an African court, a court that operates on a racial
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  Speaker 2: basis that would deal with matters slightly differently to.
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  Speaker 1: A normal youth court.
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  Speaker 2: Would Why they specifically need that in the African community,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of leaders of the African community, doctor burn Ahmed,
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  Speaker 2: he runs Africaus, which is a mob that does youth
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  Speaker 2: services down in Victoria. He said, if culture is the problem,
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  Speaker 2: then culture must also be the solution. African kids need
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  Speaker 2: a justice process that speaks their language and involves their community.
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  Speaker 2: A culturally appropriate system can treat children fairly, help them
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  Speaker 2: take responsibility, and support their exit from the justice system,
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  Speaker 2: rather than entrenching them in it.
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  Speaker 1: And the suggestion from.
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  Speaker 2: This report that was produced after the Aramati roundtable is
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  Speaker 2: that you know, these African courts would be more participatory,
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  Speaker 2: and they would be less formal than a normal court,
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  Speaker 2: and they'd have community elders involved to give advice. Now
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  Speaker 2: we kind of opened ourselves up to this, I think,
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  Speaker 2: Jamie by having they have a Victoria Curi courts, and
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  Speaker 2: I know they do the same in South Australia to
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  Speaker 2: some degree. I don't know whether they do it in
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales and other parts of the country.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you say, we.
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  Speaker 2: Have special courts that deal with Aboriginal matters that takes
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  Speaker 2: into account their laws, which of course is not the
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  Speaker 2: law of the land, so they shouldn't exist in the
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  Speaker 2: first place. But now we open it up and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we should have African ones as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I thought we were all meant to be equal under
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  Speaker 2: the law.
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  Speaker 3: You're spot on, Caleb. This is certainly not a solution.
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  Speaker 3: This is such a terrible idea. We live in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: We all need to be abiding by the zach same
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  Speaker 3: laws because if you've got different courts for different cultures,
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  Speaker 3: think about the chaos.
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  Speaker 4: And the anarchy that's going to follow within this country.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've had other immigrants come to the country
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  Speaker 3: and we haven't had Vietnamese courts, we haven't had to
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  Speaker 3: have Chinese courts because we're all one, and that's how
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  Speaker 3: we should be treating this. And we need to be
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  Speaker 3: really tough on crime and Victoria, as we always mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: they are an absolute basket case at the moment with
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  Speaker 3: the increase in crime. And when you were just talking
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  Speaker 3: about some of the professors and their reasoning behind doing
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  Speaker 3: this court, there is actually a respected South Sudanese criminal
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  Speaker 3: lawyer who has actually said this isn't a good idea
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  Speaker 3: because unlike the indigenous community that have got a really
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  Speaker 3: long history within Australia, the African communities are all so
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  Speaker 3: different that he can't see this working. But he said, instead,
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  Speaker 3: let's invest this money in time and put South Sudanese
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  Speaker 3: children into sport and actually focus on other issues. So
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  Speaker 3: I think this is a solution that's certainly not a
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  Speaker 3: good one. Kayleb I can't see this working at all.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that was going to be my question.
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  Speaker 6: If you're a white South African migrant or someone who
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  Speaker 6: is not necessarily black, but you are from Africa, do
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  Speaker 6: you still count under the African court system.
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  Speaker 5: Or is it actually about race?
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  Speaker 6: And even if you do say this will apply to
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  Speaker 6: all African people regardless of their skin color, what about
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  Speaker 6: the diversity of cultures within Africa.
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  Speaker 5: You have everyone from.
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  Speaker 6: Egyptians, Sudanese, South African, Zimbabweins, Tanzanies. I mean, the list
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  Speaker 6: goes on and on, all different, all distinct, all different communities,
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  Speaker 6: different cultures. This is a recipe for disaster. It's a
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  Speaker 6: similar mentality to what we saw during the voice. It's
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  Speaker 6: this idea that somehow we're going to make everything better
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  Speaker 6: by treating people differently.
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  Speaker 5: But that is not the answer.
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  Speaker 6: It's about what we have to do is affirm our oneness,
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  Speaker 6: our unity as Australian people. And ultimately, if we just
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  Speaker 6: say African kids will be held to a lower standard
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  Speaker 6: than other kids, that is the racism of low expectations.
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  Speaker 6: All that will do is entrench the idea that well
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  Speaker 6: you're an African kid, you're going to end up in
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  Speaker 6: front of the criminal justice system. And not only that,
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  Speaker 6: you're not going to face the same rules as everyone else,
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  Speaker 6: you're going to have special rules.
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  Speaker 5: What kind of message does that send?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's the idea that you say, we
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  Speaker 2: have a crime problem in a certain ethnic community. As
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  Speaker 2: I said, fifty percent of young people in youth prisons
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria last year or Africans. So we've got a
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  Speaker 2: problem in this community here. So what we'll do is
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  Speaker 2: actually just make the whole system a bit softer to
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  Speaker 2: deal with it. That's not how you fix crime. I
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  Speaker 2: think anyone who's worked in the sector and who's not
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  Speaker 2: a bleeding heart could tell you that. And another thing
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  Speaker 2: that Victoria is doing exceedingly well I say with my
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  Speaker 2: tongue in my cheek on crime. You might remember the
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  Speaker 2: story a month or so ago where you had one
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  Speaker 2: of the private providers of ankle bracelets in Victoria just
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  Speaker 2: disappeared overnight and they didn't tell the state government that
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  Speaker 2: they were shutting down. So all these ankle bracelets that
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  Speaker 2: were on alleged offenders or people who've been.
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  Speaker 1: Released on parole, etc.
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  Speaker 2: We're walking around without them working. So the Victorian state
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  Speaker 2: government said, right, we're going to ban private providers from
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  Speaker 2: getting involved in the ankle bracelets that are distributed around Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: which means the only people who can distribute and use
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  Speaker 2: ankle bracelets, you know it is the state government. But
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  Speaker 2: the state government has decided that they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: do it. So you've now got all these people who
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  Speaker 2: are currently wearing ankle bracelets and the entire system is
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  Speaker 2: shutting down next month. Now going off to court and saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no point me wearing an ankle bracelet anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Mockbell, I mean, you know, Tony Mockbell is drug kingpin.
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  Speaker 2: He's had his taken off of course, after he was
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  Speaker 2: released through the whole lawyer x stuff earlier this year,
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  Speaker 2: and another bloke has now joined him, Mugid Alibadi, who
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  Speaker 2: is suspected to be one of the kingpins of the
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  Speaker 2: illegal cigarette trade in Victoria. He's gone to court and said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're going to get rid of these ankle
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  Speaker 2: bracelets next month, so what's the point of me having one?
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  Speaker 2: The court said all right, the prosecutors have got on
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  Speaker 2: board with it, and the only thing that's different is
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  Speaker 2: that he has to present to the cop shop every
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  Speaker 2: day as opposed to once every second day.
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  Speaker 1: It's not really a replacement.
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  Speaker 2: Like the ankle brace at least tells the system where
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  Speaker 2: you are, and you know if you've got curf using
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  Speaker 2: things on you, if you're going out at night, they
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  Speaker 2: can detect that sort of stuff. Take all of this away.
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  Speaker 2: Why doesn't the state government just take it on, so, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we'll do the angle bracelets ourselves if they don't trust
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  Speaker 2: the private providers.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of saying no, no, everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Just run loose, Kleb.
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  Speaker 3: It's the baffling question of why we're always talking about
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  Speaker 3: Victoria and the issues that are going on down there.
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  Speaker 3: I did have to have a slight little chuckle with
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  Speaker 3: that mock bell. He's not allowed within two k's of
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  Speaker 3: an airport, But how are you going to know that
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  Speaker 3: he is within two k's of an airport because he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to have an ankle monitor?
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  Speaker 4: And I think this is just absolutely ludicrous.
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  Speaker 3: So as of October ten, when this last company goes under,
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  Speaker 3: what are there all supposed to do? They're now just
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  Speaker 3: going to be walking along free doing whatever they want.
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  Speaker 3: Crime is already such a huge issue in that state.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that this is just going to add I
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  Speaker 3: think more fuel to the fire without being able to
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  Speaker 3: monitor and try where these criminals are.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred percent?
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  Speaker 6: And how hard is it to just find a new provider?
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  Speaker 6: Is it really that hard? Are they're not other businesses
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  Speaker 6: that provide ankle monitoring services? Is it that hard to
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  Speaker 6: just transfer people's bail conditions. You were being monitored by
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  Speaker 6: this country company, now we're going to put you on
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  Speaker 6: this one. I don't understand how it's so hard, but
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  Speaker 6: I feel like the Victorian government likes to over complicate
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  Speaker 6: everything and in turn solve absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Well here's one for all of the families out there
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  Speaker 3: or someone who likes to go and swim at your
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  Speaker 3: local council pool. Well, Campbelltown at Council have let residents
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  Speaker 3: know that they're a local pool which was free last
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  Speaker 3: year in its first year of opening. You can see
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  Speaker 3: it up on the screen here. This is Campbelltown at
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  Speaker 3: Billabong Parkland. So it was free on its first year
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  Speaker 3: of opening up. Well, they've now let everyone know that
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  Speaker 3: if you're a family of four, you can get a
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  Speaker 3: family pass for just under a bargain guys a thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Now this pass is only for six months. It is
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  Speaker 3: free during the winter months, I should say to use
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  Speaker 3: this pool, but during what they're calling the peak summertime
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  Speaker 3: of just October two March is one thousand dollars. If
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  Speaker 3: you go in as a one off, it's eight dollars.
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  Speaker 3: But families have said in order to get your money
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  Speaker 3: back from that cost, you'll be having to go into
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  Speaker 3: this pool at least forty eight times over that summer period.
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  Speaker 4: Now I have a really big.
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  Speaker 5: Issue with this.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that really ReBs me up when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to access to swimming pools. I actually wrote an
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  Speaker 3: opinion piece about it in the Daily Telegraph because swimming
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  Speaker 3: standards in Australia are on the decline really badly, and
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  Speaker 3: there was recent data saying that fifty six percent of
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  Speaker 3: children aren't enrolled in swimming lessons compared to forty three
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  Speaker 3: percent in twenty twenty three. And I put it out
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  Speaker 3: on social to ask like, what are some of the
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  Speaker 3: barriers that are stopping you putting your children into swimming
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  Speaker 3: lessons And people have said it's things like the cost and.
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  Speaker 4: The access to facilities.
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  Speaker 3: Now you've got this beautiful, brand new pool in Campbell
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  Speaker 3: which they have now priced so high. How on earth
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  Speaker 3: are families and a cost of living. Christ is supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be able to afford to go and take your
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  Speaker 3: family there. Not only that, you will notice in that
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  Speaker 3: picture there's no shelter, but you can get it if
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  Speaker 3: you pay one hundred and fifty dollars for a hut
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  Speaker 3: for the day or eighty dollars for three hours, so
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  Speaker 3: these costs. There's no cafe there. They apparently will be
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  Speaker 3: one built at some point.
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  Speaker 2: But it's some hot chips.
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  Speaker 4: You can't get hot chips. Apparently there's not even a
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  Speaker 4: vending machine, so a few.
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  Speaker 5: Things need to be tweaked.
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  Speaker 3: But the parklands have said the yearly operating costs are
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  Speaker 3: two point eight million dollars and the council has said
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  Speaker 3: they'll recover about sixty eight percent of these costs through
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  Speaker 3: these entry fees. I think though, that this is outrageous
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  Speaker 3: because this is going to be another barrier for people
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  Speaker 3: going in and learning to swim, but also just having
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  Speaker 3: access to a pool. We live in Australia where we
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  Speaker 3: are surrounded by water, and I just think learning to
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  Speaker 3: swim and having access to water is it's a life
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  Speaker 3: skill here. But to pay a thousand dollars for a
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  Speaker 3: family over summer for.
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  Speaker 2: One thousand dollars, I expect free chips, you know, waiting
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  Speaker 2: for them from shelter.
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  Speaker 1: Build a kiosk for me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm a member of the SAJAC,
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  Speaker 2: the South Australian Jockey Club, and I pay a lower
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  Speaker 2: rate because of course I live into state. But I
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  Speaker 2: think I paid it under two hundred bucks a year,
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  Speaker 2: which entitles me to go to the races effectively for
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  Speaker 2: free after I've paid my fees for about fifty weekends
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  Speaker 2: a year, So two hundred bucks fifty fifty times a
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  Speaker 2: year and ago to the raisers or one thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, maybe if you go forty eight times
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  Speaker 2: in six.
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  Speaker 1: Months, you'll get your money back.
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  Speaker 2: Like you pay your rates, you pay your rates to
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  Speaker 2: have the pool built, so you've handed your money over
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  Speaker 2: compulsorily to the council. They then go and build the pool,
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  Speaker 2: and then they say you've got to pay one thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars as a family for on top to be able
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  Speaker 2: to come and use the pool that you already paid
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  Speaker 2: for and that you keep paying for through your rate.
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  Speaker 1: So it sounds a bit like in a North Sydney
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  Speaker 1: where they.
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  Speaker 4: Were thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Arepool that's blown out to more than one hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollars to do up there pool under the Sydney have
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  Speaker 2: a bridge.
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  Speaker 1: It's just outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it is true that construction costs have soared
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  Speaker 6: since COVID, so I don't doubt that it's cost them
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  Speaker 6: a lot to build.
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  Speaker 5: But if sixty eight.
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  Speaker 6: Percent of your operating costs have to come from entry fees,
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  Speaker 6: maybe that's not the most sustainable business model. Maybe you
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  Speaker 6: should license out to cafes. You could have other revenue
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  Speaker 6: raising mechanisms at the pool to cover the cost, just
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  Speaker 6: so families can get there. Because what's so unfair about
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  Speaker 6: this is this is a pool out in Campbelltown. They
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  Speaker 6: don't have beaches in Campbelltown, but families in the eastern
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  Speaker 6: suburbs or on the northern beaches they get to go
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  Speaker 6: access the water for.
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  Speaker 5: Free in summer time.
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  Speaker 6: It's also hotter in Western Sydney in summer, you're in
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  Speaker 6: a hotter place, less access to the water, and then
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  Speaker 6: the local council wants to charge you through the roof
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  Speaker 6: just to get to some water. And compare this pool
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  Speaker 6: to Raging Waters, which is the water park in Western Sydney.
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  Speaker 6: It's basically the same price as a season pass, except
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  Speaker 6: to raging waters. They have water slides, they have heaps
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  Speaker 6: of fun stuff.
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  Speaker 5: This is just a pool.
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  Speaker 2: Are they gonna, you know, Pondye that they built out,
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to pay.
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  Speaker 1: To use that?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so, because it's.
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  Speaker 1: Well they'll find a way too.
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  Speaker 6: They will find a way too. If Penrith Councils took
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  Speaker 6: him for money, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Where they'll have to go.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have to go up the road to pin and
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  Speaker 2: go to Pondye instead. The concept is rather odd, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, if it's the alternative to pay.
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  Speaker 4: To go to the pool, what are you gonna do
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  Speaker 4: so bad?
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  Speaker 6: Well, something else that makes no sense is up until recently,
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  Speaker 6: if you're an overseas driver, you can basically from a
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  Speaker 6: lot of countries come to Australia and just automatic convert
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  Speaker 6: your license to an Australian license. And this has led
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  Speaker 6: to all sorts of difficulties, namely people from other countries
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  Speaker 6: not being able to read English road signs, not being
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  Speaker 6: able to follow out road rules, and generally causing a
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  Speaker 6: safety risk to other passengers.
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  Speaker 5: It's gotten so.
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  Speaker 6: Bad that one of the legal bodies that looks after
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  Speaker 6: road rules is actually conducting the biggest review in twenty
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  Speaker 6: years of this licensing scheme, mainly because of rising identity
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  Speaker 6: theft and document fraud. Now one of these private driving
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  Speaker 6: instructors who's witnessed this first hand, has captured just how
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  Speaker 6: bad the situation really is.
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  Speaker 5: He said.
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  Speaker 6: The issue we're having is that so many people that
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  Speaker 6: sit in our car from India or Pakistan fully admit
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  Speaker 6: they've never driven a vehicle in their life, even though
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  Speaker 6: they have a full license. One woman told me she
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  Speaker 6: had a full license, but she hired me because she'd
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  Speaker 6: never driven before. She then pointed to the accelerator and
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  Speaker 6: break and asked what they were for. Now these rules
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  Speaker 6: are under review. In New South Wales you now have
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  Speaker 6: to sit a test if you've got an overseas license,
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  Speaker 6: and other states are changing their rules as well. But
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  Speaker 6: to think these people have been on our roads and
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  Speaker 6: the statistics show that when foreigners do sit the driving
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  Speaker 6: test to convert to an Australian one, about fifty percent
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  Speaker 6: of them are failing.
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  Speaker 5: That is scary.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, thank god it was in the manually to
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  Speaker 2: work out what the other pedal is.
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  Speaker 1: What's this trottle thing.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, to be fair, if you put a person going
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  Speaker 2: for their ills today in Emmanuel car they wouldn't know
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  Speaker 2: what I.
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  Speaker 5: Have absolutely no throttle either.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: But it is extraordinary to think that we put kids
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: going for their learners and their peace and these days
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: through the absolute ringer. I'm not sure what it is
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: in you South Wales. How many agents it's more than
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: one hundred hours you have to get up. I mean
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: when I did it in Essay, I think it was seventy,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: which is a little more lening, but you have to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: put a lot of work in and then when you
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: go from your LCPS, you're going for your PS again.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is different between the States,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: but I know in South Australia and I did.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It, you could do the vehicle on road.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Test at the end of getting all your hours, which
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: was just this one test that you took at the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: end and you had to prove that you had all
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: these skills enable to be able to move.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: On to your PS.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Or you could do a logbook method, which you do
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: with a driving instructor. And my brother is doing the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: logbook method at the moment, and I said to him,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: was on the phone to him today and he said
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: he's going off for a lesson.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I said, how many of those things you have to do?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And he said the instructor said, it typically takes sixteen
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to twenty lessons to get through the logbook. I said,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: how much does he charge? One hundred and eighty backs
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a lesson? So you know, once you do sixty I
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: mean twenty times. That's a lot of money for a
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: teenager to punt up to get their license. Keeping in
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: mind that once upon a time you just used to
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: go down to the cop shop and sign a few
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: papers and you get a license. But we've got people
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: coming from overseas you've never driven a car before, who
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: can potentially just say yes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I've got a license, but I don't know how to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: drive a car. The most Australian license make it makes sense.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I know we put Australians under such strict rules to
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: be able to go and get your license. I'm blown
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: away by how much your brother's having to pay for
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the driving eighty dollars.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: He's gone up a lot.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Told me let's drive a very long time ago, but
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: those is more around that fifty dollar mark. But also
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the other issue is that when a lot of international
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: overseas business come here or they move here, they don't
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: necessarily go straight away to go and change their license,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: and a lot of them get away with not ever
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: actually updating it and moving over. So in essay they've
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: made it within ninety days, you should go for your
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: test and have it done, And in New South Wales
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: it's within six months, but a lot of slipping through
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the cracks and never actually changing it over. So you
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: think how many are on the road that don't know
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the difference between the accelerator.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And the break Gotel Marty and yeah, I think we
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: should have tests every ten years for everybody to be
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: perfectly honest, because when you see.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Someone driving skills on the roads.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Around the country, you go, Laddy, hell, did you get
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it out of a corn flake packet? Chances are many
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: of them probably did. While we're talking about issues of
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: migration over in the UK, the Starma government is waking
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: up to the fact that Reform has just absolutely towed
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: them up. And I've been saying it multiple times in
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: recent weeks, but every published poll in the UK since
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: May has had Nigel Farage's Party Reform in the lead,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and they realized that one of the big issues at
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the moment is migration, particularly illegal immigration. But Labors having
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: their conference in the UK at the moment and they've
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: come out with a new bit of policy which is
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: extraordinary to think. I mean, I can't imagine this would
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: ever even happen in Australia, to be perfectly honest, but
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this is how scared they are of Nigel Farage. The
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Home Secretary in the UK, Savannah Mahmood has given her
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: speech at the Labor conference and said foreign citizens will
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: have to volunteer in their community. They'll need to have
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a spotless criminal record, they'll have to speak English to
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a high standard, and they'll have to be a net
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: contributor to the economy to qualify for permanent settlement and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that is the equivalent in Australia of permanent residency. So
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: if you are a margaret in the UK and you
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: say I want to stay here and live and work permanently,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you have to be a net economic contributor. So that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: means you can't be taking too much welfare. You need
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to have good English, spotless criminal record, a contributor to society.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You've got to volunteer in your community. I mean this
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: is stuff that was almost unthinkable for a labor government
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to come out with when they were elected fourteen months ago.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I think it proves just how scared they are of
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Nigel Farage. That you've had Sakyastam of the Prime Minister
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: talking about with Risk becoming an island of strangers, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: now you've got them coming out with what are some
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: of the harshest migration laws I've seen in a long term.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're also saying it's going to take people
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: up to ten years ten years to qualify for permanent residency.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: In Australia, it's five to seven years, I believe is
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: the average time it takes people. So it's a long
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: time that we're talking about. I mean, I'm not sure
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: the practicality is of this, how they're going to measure
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: things like volunteering in the community. And then the other
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: question is well, what's going to happen to the people
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: that don't qualify for the permanent residency. Are they actually
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: going to deport them or are they just going to
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: get to stay in the UK. Because that's the fundamental problem.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: You have a lot of people in the UK illegally
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: more coming every weekend on Saturday, and another one hundred and
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: fifty cross the channel on a small boat, So you've
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: got lots of people who shouldn't be there. I don't
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: think the problem is really permanent residency. It's the fact
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: that they're there in the first place, and that's the
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: fundamental problem. Unless Starmer can stop the boats, all of
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: this is just trioming around the edges. It won't change
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: the fundamental issue.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: And to your point about how do you monitor the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: community service, because that is certainly something that can be
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: fudged a little bit. But when I was actually looking
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: into this a little bit further, regarding this spotless criminal record, well,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you can actually go around about here a little bit,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: because migrants who commit crimes actually won't be automatically barred
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: from being a permanent resident. They just have to wait
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer to be able to reapply, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: then they might be encouraged to then go for a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: different visa, and then at that visa process is where
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: they then could be denied because they have a criminal record.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: So it just felt like it was a lot of
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: roundabout circles. But by this point to your time, this
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: could be ten fifteen years down the track where they've
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: still been living in the UK. So they have said
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: though that they will be deporting them whether or not
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: that happens.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Is I mean, they're trying to find a halfway house
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: because Farage, you said that he get rid of permanent
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: settlement all together and potentially even considered deporting people who
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: are already permanent residents.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: In the United Kingdom. So he's gone all in on.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: It and said was quick to call him a racer.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He said it was racist, right, So they're trying to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: fight a half way housey. But this is the problem
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to be half pregnant on these policies,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and you know Sec Starin is trying to look like
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: he's tough on migration, it's very hard to do that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and be convincing when you have the actual product in
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: terms of Nigel Farage, like you know, he's trying to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: be Nigel Farage from TIMU and it's not.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Going to work.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It will not if you can buy the genuine article,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: why would you buy the knock on?
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, exactly.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Well let's stay in the UK now and Prime Minister
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi, well we could say it maybe display of
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit of hypocrisy by our leader after the
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: flak he gave Scott Morrison back in twenty nineteen for
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: standing on the stage with Donald Trump, when in fact,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: this time round, albin Esi was the keynote speaker at
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a Labor rally event of which kir Starmer was referring
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to him as his friend. Let's take a listen to
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: what Albo had to say when he had his time
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: in the spotlight.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: But what I see here in UK Labor and this man,
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: this leader, this Prime Minister, my friend, is the same
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: determination that I know lives in every member of the
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: Australian Labor Party, an absolute result to stand together and
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: defend democracy itself.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: So that was our Prime minister speaking in front of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the labor faithful in the UK.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Let's also take a look at.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: What UK Prime Minister Kir Starmer had to say about
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberzi.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: It's been a particular pleasure to welcome Albo to our
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: country the Global Progressives Conference on Friday as a key
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: partner in starting up the divisive politics of the right.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: So I have issues with this.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: In particular, it really felt as though our Prime minister
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: was over there in the UK, of which he flew
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a government jet to go over there, and it was
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: like he was effectively out there campaigning for Sirquise Stamer,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: which I just think is really wrong for a current
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: prime minister, and especially off the back of the flak
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: that he gave Scott Morrison back in twenty nineteen. I
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: think if you're going to be calling things out like that,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you also then need to be behaving by the same
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: standard of which you were saying was so terrible. But
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: also how he said that he was criticizing the rise
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of negativity in politics and was defending a democracy that
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: for me, when he had the high to talk about
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: negativity and politics, he's got a very short memory of
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the way he behaved in our last federal election. This
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: is the man that literally tore down Peter Dutton to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: shred's personally light about medi scare light about nuclear and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: was out there with just such a nasty campaign, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: yet he's up there on the stage talking about how.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: It's the right with all their device and policies.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Look, all I can say is if Kirs Starmer is
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: looking to Anthony Albanezi for inspiration, good luck to the
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: United Kingdom. I really hope you elect Nigel Farage and
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: save yourself from what we have to deal with here
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: in Australia. But that is the fundamental point. How is
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: it appropriate for our prime minister to be swaning around
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: speaking at political rallies? Fine, if we say anyone from
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: any side of politics is able to do that, then
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: that's the rule. But there's always a double standard. The
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: left always gets away with more than what conservative politicians do.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: And I just think it's so indult algent and egotistical
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: for Albanesi to swan into his standing ovation at the
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Labor Conference. He had Julia Gillard there, the Australian High
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Commissioner to the UK.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Wayne swan All there applauding. I mean, it's just embarrassing.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: But I kind of understand why he's done it because
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: it's probably the only positive reception he'll get. When was
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: the last time Albert got a standing ovation?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's quite bizarre, I you know, key partner in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: standing up to the Look. I know we talk here
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: in Australia about the UK and the US a lot,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: but do you think people are sitting around in the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: UK gun she's at Elbow Bloke. He's really given those bastards.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: On the right.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really gives a toss. And that's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: not to denigrate us as a country. It's just to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: say that we know our place in the world, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: sure we are heavy hitters, you know, by head of population,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we punch above our weight well and truly. But is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi really the vanguard of taking on the right
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of politics across the world. I mean, he's got a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: meeting with Donald Trump next month. I guess that's when
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we'll find out whether he really can stand up to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the right and be the vanguard. Because I'll tell you
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: who isn't, Sir Keir Starmer, because every time he gets
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in a room with Donald Trump, he's like a puppy
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: dog at his feet because he knows it's the only
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: bloke who can actually give him a bit of positive press,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what we saw in the UK last week.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Well, I guess the UK is probably looking at Albanezi
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: and going, wow, how can such an incompetent prime.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Minister win so many seats?
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: This is inspirational for Kirs Starmer, whose Prime ministership is
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: hanging on by a thread right now. So I guess
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: they are alike in many ways, but also in the
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: UK Kiirs.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Starmer is really.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Pushing this idea of a digital ID roll out now.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: He claims it's somehow going to stop illegal immigration.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: But he was quizzed.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: About this by a reporter and looked so flustered it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: like he had no idea what he was talking about.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: Have to deal with this as who are prepared to
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: hire people illegally are not asking them for their National
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: Insurance card.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: So what's the evidence?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: What makes you think they're suddenly going to ask them
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for a digital idea?
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: We need to be really clear, you must have an
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: ID mandatory digital ID in order to work, because we
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: have to stop illegal working. But there's no point people
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: saying to me, why do we need it when we
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: all acknowledge there is a problem people are working illegally
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: in our eclomy. It is amongst the reasons that people
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: want to come to the United Kingdom.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: They're working without the current ideas that you need. Anyway,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: I don't understand how making it digital is all of
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: a sudden going to solve the problem. As the reporter said,
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: if employers want to flo out laws, they're going to
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: flout laws.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: And to be honest, if there.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: Are illegal migrants in the UK, isn't it better that
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: they're at least working than just sitting around and claiming
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: benefits like a bunch of others are. I mean, yes,
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: it's the cash economy, but at least they're being productive.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: What is I guess the question we have to ask
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: is what is the true intention behind this digital id push.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: It's not really going to stop illegal immigration. It's not
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: really going to make everyone all of a sudden want
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: to obey the laws. People who are working illegally will
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: continue to do so. But what it will do is
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: inconvenience the other seventy million people in the UK, and
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: it will continue to push us towards this dystopian nanny
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: state where everything we do is monitored.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the perfect kneed you reaction. I found
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the solution. It also happens to be the solution that
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: gives the government the most oversight over your life that
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: there has ever been.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, let's expand the government.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The government that hasn't been able to stem the flow
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of illegal migrants into the country has found the.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Solution to a legal migration.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: More government, I mean, make it, make sense. It doesn't,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you won't be able to make it make sense. You
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: know absolutely, This is eventually about being able to have
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: complete oversight over everything. You know, your banking will be
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: linked to it. You're paying your bills will be linked
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Everything will be linked to it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You want to log into your.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Social media will link that to it too, right, everything
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: will be linked to your digital ida and then the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: government will have the ability to turn the tap on
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and off if and when they want to. And people say, oh,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy theorist nonsense. How could this ever happen
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: in a Western country. I mean, let's just look at
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Germany in the thirties and forties. People who get elected
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: on popular platforms can turn into autocrats and if they
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: want to do things against the people of their own country,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: they will do so. You would be naive to think
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that people cannot abuse power. So it's all good and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: well when you think it's in the right hands, but
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: when it ends up in the wrong hands, then you're
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in trouble. And by the way, they're all coming to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the UK because you know that they know that there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: this illegal marketing. Do you reckon anyone paying a people
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: smaggler to get across the channel has just gone digital
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: ID can't.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Do it anymore.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: That's why that reporter was so funny when she was
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: asking Sir Kis Starmer that exact thing that our human
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: traffickers going, ooh, just better check your.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Eral ID.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: But one thing that Sir Kis Starma has been warned
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: about our pensioners that they are going to be missing
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: out on benefits here because they're guessing about two million
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: right now don't use the internet, so they won't have
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: access to be able to even register for their digital ID.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: But to your point with that shadow economy, we spoke
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: about this on the Sunday showdown last night where ten
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: point eight percent of GDP in the UK is a
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: shadow economy. So it's already rife right now, and they're
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: saying that more so, crime gangs are going to be
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: growing because people will be turning to do this. So
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: it's already illegal to have illegal migrants working, but they're
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: still working car washers and barbers, so i'd imagine it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: just going to continue.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And maybe they've been talking to Justinterer out one down
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: in Victoria took some inspiration from the idea that if
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you put up a few bins around the joint.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: There will be.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: No more knife crime because all the machetes will be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: thrown away. It is basically the same idea over in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: New York. Their mayoral election is in five weeks time,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you know about the radical socialist who's
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: running for the Democrat Zora and ma'am Dani.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Now there's been all this.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Speculation about whether or not he can get up and
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: where other people could potentially be a challenge to him.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You've got the current mayor, Eric Adams. You've got Andrew
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Cuomo who used to.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Be the governor, who's coming back for a run.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And of course you've got a Republican in the midst
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: as well, But no one particularly cares who the Republican
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: is because there's no way the bloke is going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: get up. But the current mayor, Eric Adams, mayor of
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: New York, who used to be a Democrat but sort
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: of got dragged away from the Democratic Party after under
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the Biden administration they went after him with all these allegations.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: He was indicted on fraud and all this sort of
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: business which the Trump administration has thrown out. But he's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: decided at this point, five weeks away from the election,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that the best thing he can do, presumably to try
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and get in the way of Mam Danny, is to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: say I'm not going to be in the race anymore.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: It has been my honor to be your mayor, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: I'm proud to say that we took that victory four
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: years ago and turned it into action. And yet despite
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: all we've achieved, I cannot continue my reelection campaign.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And the socialist Ma'm donny said socialist things in response.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: It is also an encapsulation of so much of what
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: has characterized Eric Adams's mayoralty is decisions at the behest
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: of Donald Trump and his billionaire donors and at the
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: expense of working class New Yorkers. And what we see
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: in this moment is very much what we saw the
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: day we started this campaign in October twenty third, and
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: necessity to finally stand up to the days of big
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: money and small ideas being what characterized the city Hall
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: and instead delivering for the very working pass new workers
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: that are being placed out of that same city.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we're going to stand up to big money
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: by having a well off, well funded.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Democrat in the job. That's going to do it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see what this does in
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: terms of the split of the vote, because that is
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the concern. I mean, they do have a runoff voting
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: system over there, so you get into all the preferential stuff.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But with Adams out of the race, does it set
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: up the opportunity to take some votes away from Mende.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Well, actually, the ranked choice system, which is what they
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: call it over their preferential voting, only applies in the
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: primaries and in by elections, so actually it is not
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: at play here, and that was the major concern. If
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: you've got ten percent of the vote going off here
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: ten percent there, I mean, Mamdani is just going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: sail into victory. So now the hope is that the
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: vote will consolidate a bit more behind Angia Cuomo, the
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: former Democrat governor turned independent.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: But it's still not a sure thing.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Mamdani is still miraculously leading in the polls, and honestly,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: this election makes me very, very nervous for the future
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: of New York.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: It really does.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Indeed, after the break, we'll get into tomorrow's papers. All
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's use tonight on the front of the OS,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: all the states are getting stuck into the Federal government
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: over the tobacco excise. By the way, there's also apparently
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a disease running or rampant. It will turn you into
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a vegetarian. You want to hear about that. So let's
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: get stuck into tomorrow's papers, starting with the Australian, where,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: of course we had another Optus outage today it says
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: wanted an answer on another triple zero outage. Optus takes
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: questions on notice. Optus is refusing to reveal what went
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: wrong in a second out each in as many weeks
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that left customers blocked from reaching ambulance, police and emergency
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: fire services. As the Albanese government pleads with Australians to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: keep the faith in dialing triple zero. The singapore Ian
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: owned Telco on Monday took on notice the crucial question
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of why you uss we're not diverted to other networks
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: when calling triple zero after a fault in the phone
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: tower left in a phone tower, I should say, left
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: about four thy five hundred customers in Woolenngong in New
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: South Wales unable to reach emergency services between three am
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and twelve twenty pm, and Optus is so far I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: did to f had twelve calls that failed to connect
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: with Triple zero. One customer needed to use another person's
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: phone to make the phone call. How many times does
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: this need to happen before we start saying I'm sorry,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: we have a real problem here and you have to
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: face consequences.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Well, we do have a real problem here. Look at
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: op just have such a terrible history.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: You think about the huge outage that we saw in
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, and then in twenty twenty four they've
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: had more issues, and then this year, within two weeks
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: of each other, they've had this triple zero issue, And
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I just think these hollow apologies aren't good enough. We
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: need to see strong action, and I think we need
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: to see an independent review. It can't be anything that's
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: linked to the current government. It needs to be completely
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: separate so that we can have an independent analysis of
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: what the heck is going on at optics.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, where are their engineers, where are their technical experts?
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, mobile coverage is a critical service. Without it
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: that the nation will stop. And we've already seen this
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: has cost people their lives in preventable tragedies that would
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: not have occurred were the triple zero lines up and running.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: So I just think, yeah, this is this is an
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: embarrassment in the twenty first century.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It is just ridiculous. Now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: The story on the front of the OS tomorrow labor, tobacco,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: taxi crime windfall. The nation's police ministers have accused the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Albanesi government of fueling australia surging black market tobacco trade
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: through relentless tax hicks, demanding Canberra take responsibility for a
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: national problem head of Thursday's meeting of State and territory ministers.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: At Thursday's Police Minister's Council, attention is expected to center
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: on the quote unquote exploding illicit market, with several state
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: ministers warning that federal excise hikes have handed organized crime
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a lucrative new revenue stream while leaving state and territory
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: police forces to shoulder the burden.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It's New South Wales which is.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Labor, Queensland, which is EARLNP, Tasmania, which is liberal, and Victoria,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: which we know is labor are all coming out and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: saying that this excise is a problem and that the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: federal government has to quote step up and take quote
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: responsibility for allowing this to happen, and yet they keep
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: going on, Jim Charmers, the Treasurer, the Health Minister, Mark Butler,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: they just will not have a bar of the idea
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: that the tax has anything to do with it. When
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you have politicians across the political divide at the state
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: level saying and these are the people have to deal
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: with the consequences of what's going on, saying this is
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a problem.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: They have to wake up.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: They do, and they need to wake up quickly.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: But in that same article, Jim charm says that making
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: cigarettes cheaper is not going to necessarily affect the illegal
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: trade at all, because tobacco revenue was up forty four
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: million in the last budget.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: So it just doesn't make sense. They need to be
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: doing something, and they need to act.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Soon well, and there should at least be some sort
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: of federal government funding or task force set up to
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: crack down on illicit tobacco, because this is the problem, right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: The federal government sets the excise tax, but they leave
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: it up to the state governments to bear the cost
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: of actually enforcing it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And that's just not fair.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: But you've got to look at both sides of the coin,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: the tax and the enforcement.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And he says, By the way, you know that the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: excise is up four hundred and forty one million. Fantastic
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You did put the excise up, you know, so that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: does lead to increased revenue. In the last five years,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the excise take has halved, not because people have stopped smoking,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: because they've gone to the illsted product.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Just crazy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Well in the Herald Sun tomorrow, really shocking headline freed
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: teen gang sparks Moure Mayhem. Now here's an exclusive in
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: the Harold Son Shock surge in terrifying attacks on motorists
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: carjack city. Carjackings are surging in Victoria, with a frightening
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: crime running at a rate of nine a week. A
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: wave of carjackings has left victims, including a ninety one
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: year old man and a mom and dad with a
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: toddler in the back seat, deeply traumatized. There were four
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: hundred and eighty seven carjackings or attempted carjackings in the
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: year to March one hundred and twenty nine, more than
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: the previous twelve month period. And now, as I said before,
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Free teen gang Sparks Mayhem. Alleged offenders recently sped jail
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: over violent crimes and you can see here a car,
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: a stolen BM that drove down Burke Street in Melbourne
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: in a police chase. Now that is just incredible. And
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: to have nine carjackings a week, I mean, that's the
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: kind of statistic you'd expect to see coming out of
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: South Africa, to be very honest, not Victoria.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And I mean this car is going down Burke Street more.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: If you know Burke Street more, you know the tram
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: tracks up the middle, So they're driving down the tram
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: tracks and the people apparently jumped out of the car
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and ran off. I think it was into Maya and
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: someone who was walking past had to get into the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: car and stop it because they just got out and
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: walked off. But I mean, this is amazing that these carjackings.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: And we were talking last week about what an issue
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: youth crime is, particularly in terms of these carjackings, and
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the number was either fifty or sixty percent of the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: carjackings come down to a group of like a thousand
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: kids in Victoria. They have real problems and they're just
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: they're not doing anything about it. And why would they,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, when it doesn't seem to affect
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: them at the ballot box.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, a perfect example is aactly what happened here with
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Burke Street, Moore where these alleged offenders were recently just
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: spared jail time over violent crimes. That right there, If
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you're not tough on crime, people will be getting out
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: and repeat offenders. Let's move over now to the Gold
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Coast bulletin where this is a story that I think
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: is going to take attention nationally if it ends up happening.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: So this is from Mayor Tom Tate has called for
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: urgent e bike reform, no more mist and nice guy.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: So tough new laws requiring e bike writers to have
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: licenses and registeredve eagles must be rushed through Parliament before Christmas,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: according to Mayor Tom Tate, and the Mayor says he's
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: fed up with a series of high profile incidents in
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: the past week and will write to Premier David chris
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: A fully urging him to crack down on out of
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: control writers, telling him that can be no more mister
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: nice guy. And I completely agree with everything that Mayor
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Tom Tate has put forward. This is something that is
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: a huge issue. It came up so many times in
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the federal election with people saying something must be done.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: If you've got to read, because there would have been
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: this talk to you register, make cyclists register their bikes.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So now we're saying it all register another thing, which
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: will come with a fee, but shape government will levy
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: upon you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Think about the accidents that they are causing, and so
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: if it's at least registered, then you one know who's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: responsible for that bike or that the device or to
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: scooter or a bike. And by having a license and
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: paying for that, you don't have to have insurance, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: so that will then help at least pay for some
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of the damages they're doing.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Keep in mind, these bikes like five thousand dollars, So
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: if you're forking out that much money on a bike,
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: especially for your kid, I think you can spend a
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: little bit to ensure the rest of us don't get
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: bowled over by them when we're walking down the beach.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Well, i've seen some pretty gnarly people getting around on gophers.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Should we register them as well? The mobility scooters you know?
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I think it's a bit different. I mean,
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: you can trick a mask, go to the speed of
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: what these eves you're being tapped with the speed and
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: they're going fly.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm sure you could trick up a mobility scooter
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to. Adelaie views will not Bob Francis
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: who was famous radio hosts, and he used to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: around with a clacksenhorn on his and he go up
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: behind people and go off with the horns quite I
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: was listening to the radio to actually and I heard
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: a report that there were apparently a group of like
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: forty kids riding these bikes together in Sydney.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: They got biking gangs now.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Very quickly before we go to the break, the telegraph
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: tomorrow says we've been duped. Could be the closest many
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Sydney families come to achieving the Great Australian Dream. But
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: councils are blocking the subdivision of land for dupplex homes.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: There are calls to do something about that. And on
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the cans posts they say far North meat lover is
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: afraid of turning vegetarian. Need to be on alert for
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: a rare disease on the rise which can cause allergies
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: to fleshy foods and as bacter.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Warning from Peter Cancector a.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Last Bitzer said cases of alpha gal syndrome. We're increasing
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: in the region, with twelve confirmed cases in the past
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: five years, competer three in the ten years prior. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: tell you what, I wouldn't want to be catching any
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: disease that turned me into a vegetarian, that's for sure.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: After the break, speaking of carjackings, we have our Dope
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: of the Day. A man said who he carjacked a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: woman because he was looking for something to do.
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: That will happen.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Radio time for your and my favorite segment, Don't the Day.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Today's entry is a chap by the name of Samuel
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Kilpatrick who carjacked a seventy four year old woman, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you can imagine what she was going through. He said
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: he did it because he was looking for something to do.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm looking for something to do. I
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: turn on the telly, or read a book, or pour
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: a glass of wine or something.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: He decided the idea would be to go and carjack
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this poor woman.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So he carjacks.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: She's been assaulted and all the gear.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: He takes off with.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: The car drives for hours to Mellura to find someone
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to hang out with, apparently, and then he fills up
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the car. It's a diesel car and he puts petrol
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: in it. So not only has he car jacked someone
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: for something to do, he's ruined the entire car. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: he's left this poor woman twenty seven thousand dollars out
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of pocket because she doesn't have a car anymore. And
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: then she had to hire cars and take tax seas
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and all this sort of business. It's quite sad in
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: some ways, but honestly, like, if you're at the point
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of saying, I'm going to car jeck someone for something
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to do, mate, you need to be locked up for
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: your own goods.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: And then to put the wrong fuel in the car,
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: like seriously, dude. Definitely a great dope of the day.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Well Over in the US, Tina Turner's old high school
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: has erected a three meter tall statue of her.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Now from a distance, it kind.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Of looks like her, but the closer you get, the
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: worse it gets.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: The faith there is just no resemble.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what's going on with the hair there,
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: but it is simply not the best.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, such a shame.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: It could have been so good, a three meter Tina Turner,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: but they really botched it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Well well, Tina did also one thing that what you
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: get is what you see. But I think in this
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: case you're not getting what you see because that I
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: haint Tina Turner.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: No, it certainly isn't.
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Let's head to Sydney now, where a Sydney socialite couldn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: quite give up the perks of what she was getting
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: with her ex boyfriend and continued to use his Uber accounts,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: racking up thousands of dollars in late night feeds.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Apparently, according to Confidential, it got just the point where
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: this poor guy was going to dober in. But in
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: the end the socialite paid back the money. Not that
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: it was much of a problem because according to this article,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: she wasn't.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Strapped for cash.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know why he would have just changed his
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: loge in details for his Uber eats account.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: But there you go.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I kind of love this. I think good on her.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I mean that's just break up.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Good gone on her for being a sleep two grand
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: she spent on uber eats. If you're spending two grand
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: on uber eats, I think you've got bigger problem.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: What was she ordering? That's what I want to know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It's a bit like you go.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: On the first date and one of the most expensive
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: thing on the menu. Probably not advisable. Thanks for joining
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: us today.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Up next to the red of Patty Show