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Man Groped by Gang of Women at Sinners and Stardust Con, Women Most Affected | Maintaining Frame 176 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: all right, But anyway, so why am I here? Well,
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  Speaker 1: think I need to pop this window out to tell
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  Speaker 1: you about it. So okay, so there's this is actually
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  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. There's a case going on at a
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  Speaker 1: let's say there was a convention. Okay, there's like a
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  Speaker 1: convention for what do they call it romanticy. Yeah, Romanticy
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  Speaker 1: is the name of this genre of fiction writing, and
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  Speaker 1: they tend to be romance novels that have fantasy elements
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  Speaker 1: for women. But here's the thing about romanticies, though they're
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  Speaker 1: extremely sexually degenerate. Like I mean, like, oh, look, we
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of fretting about pornography that men consumed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that has the visual pornography to it. Women's
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  Speaker 1: porn comes in the form of literature. And I put
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  Speaker 1: that in quotes because it's not well written. There isn't
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  Speaker 1: really great pros. It's not there's like grammar errors, there's
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  Speaker 1: spelling errors. But it's so sexually like, it's so sexually
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  Speaker 1: charged that because it doesn't involve images, okay, we tend
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  Speaker 1: to give it a pass. We don't think that it's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. But I've been doing a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I've been going down a bit of a rabbit hole
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  Speaker 1: because I don't read, you know, romance novels, obviously no
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  Speaker 1: interest in them. But I but I do know because
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of times, we run into conversations around
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  Speaker 1: porn and how damaging it is for young men to
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  Speaker 1: consume and how addictive it can be and all of that, right,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't talk about what the female equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: that is. And what is often said is that it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of dismissed, like, well, you know, women don't watch
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  Speaker 1: porn or not like men, right, they're not as sexual
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  Speaker 1: as men. That's not true. It's just that what stimulates
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  Speaker 1: women is different, and it's different in that it needs
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  Speaker 1: to you know, they prefer the written word over like
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  Speaker 1: a visual display. But they definitely like if you know,
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  Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Gray is like a big, you know,
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  Speaker 1: global bestseller, and you know what's in that in those books,
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  Speaker 1: like what kind of content there is or Twilight, which
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  Speaker 1: is what fifty Shades of Gray was. It was Twilight
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  Speaker 1: fan fiction that someone got published. Then you know that
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  Speaker 1: women can be just as dirty, if not filthier, than
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  Speaker 1: men can be. But we don't have the same view
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  Speaker 1: on that, like we don't see women's sexual proclivities to
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  Speaker 1: be problematic or dangerous or you know, pathological, right in
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  Speaker 1: the same way that we do for men and boys. So,
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  Speaker 1: and I knew that was an issue because I used
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  Speaker 1: to bring it up all the time when people talk
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  Speaker 1: about porn, I'd say, well, what about romance novels? You
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  Speaker 1: can get those at Walmart, you can get them at
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  Speaker 1: like food line, you know, you can get them at
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  Speaker 1: the drug store and they'll be like pretty you know, lurid, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't really get that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I know that it's not quite the same, but the
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  Speaker 1: point is it's it accomplishes a similar goal in terms
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  Speaker 1: of like what it does to the people who consume it.
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  Speaker 1: And I used to bring it up as a counterpoint
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  Speaker 1: all the time, but then like what I realized or
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  Speaker 1: what I found out recently, is that it's gotten really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's so we've been seeing like a pattern of
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  Speaker 1: you know, grown women praying on younger children, like like teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: underage boys, underage girls sometimes usually though underage boys. And
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  Speaker 1: again it's one of these things that we don't treat
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  Speaker 1: with the same seriousness as we do when it's men
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  Speaker 1: praying on girls. Right, And some people might say, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the same, but the but the problem with
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  Speaker 1: doing that is is that the people who are most
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  Speaker 1: likely to be abusers are people who have themselves been abused.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to end abused, then you have to, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have to treat this as seriously as
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  Speaker 1: it deserves to be treated, and just to put a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of context on it, you know, not that
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  Speaker 1: long ago, we responded to a clip of Anakisparian talking
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  Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan, and Anna Kasparian was saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: men's rights activists have a point when they talk about
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  Speaker 1: you know, boys being like preyed on by older women
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  Speaker 1: or like their teachers or whatever. And Joe Rogan has
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  Speaker 1: popularly said that he doesn't think it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And he literally said in that interview that he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think it's possible for boys to be sexually molested by
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  Speaker 1: their teachers. And I mean I thought it was so
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  Speaker 1: absurd because it's like, you know, when you it's it's
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  Speaker 1: obviously short sighted, he thinks. And his evidence for that,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, as he said, well, I had a
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  Speaker 1: joke about it, and it's like, yeah, that's not proof,
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  Speaker 1: that's not evidence, that's not data, that's you giving your opinion.
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  Speaker 1: So why did I get upset about that? Well, it's like, look,
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  Speaker 1: I want to end predation. I don't. I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want pedophiles to exist. I don't want rapism, rape rapism.
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  Speaker 1: What am I saying? I don't want rape? To exist,
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  Speaker 1: or sexual assault or whatever. But like, if you really
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  Speaker 1: really want to address it, you can't just address it
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  Speaker 1: by blaming half the population and ignoring the other half.
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  Speaker 1: You can't pretend as though, like this doesn't happen two
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  Speaker 1: boys at the hands of women, because when it happens
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  Speaker 1: two boys at the hands of women, those they will
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  Speaker 1: take into their adult life a mentality that was put
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  Speaker 1: in them by the women around them. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: if a boy that's raised by a single mom is
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  Speaker 1: a lot more vulnerable to that stuff, not just you know,
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  Speaker 1: from like strange men that the woman brings home, but
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  Speaker 1: also women you know, like they like and it happens,
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  Speaker 1: Like in the black community, there is a big problem
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  Speaker 1: with incest and no one talks about it because they
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  Speaker 1: don't find it comfortable. And it's not as easy to
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  Speaker 1: rag on black people for getting, you know, incestuous, because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't fit that sort of redneck trope
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  Speaker 1: that people want to attribute to that. But no, it's
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  Speaker 1: an issue. Aunties will rape the sons of their sisters,
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  Speaker 1: you know, especially when those boys get up to the
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  Speaker 1: age that they take an interest in them. Teachers will
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of students and So going back to this
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  Speaker 1: romance novel stuff, I'm not saying that one causes the other,
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  Speaker 1: but there is a mentality of you know, like where
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  Speaker 1: women's perversions are permissible. You know that we don't have
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  Speaker 1: the same stigma on women who like to read romance
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  Speaker 1: novels that we do for men who watch porn. You know,
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  Speaker 1: so why don't we do that? And what are the
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  Speaker 1: effects of that? And what I learned is, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these popular writers they the writer well
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  Speaker 1: they're popular in that not that their books are good,
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  Speaker 1: but that they write a lot of like pornographic material
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  Speaker 1: for women. They came out of Tumblr, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: quality of the writing. Like I was never on Tumblr,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember in twenty fourteen, you know, twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, a lot of like Tumblr Tumblr
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  Speaker 1: feminists would write these kinds of stories, and of course
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  Speaker 1: they were bad at writing, but they all like kiss
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  Speaker 1: each other's asses, so they would like, you know, gas
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  Speaker 1: each other up, and they would write these stories. And
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  Speaker 1: then some of them went on to write actual books.
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  Speaker 1: And the truth is is that the sax sells to women.
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  Speaker 1: And this is another thing. It's like one of these
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  Speaker 1: things that we're not we're not giving the appropriated that
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  Speaker 1: women are capable of this. There was a video that
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  Speaker 1: I just watched today by a writer. Let's see if
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  Speaker 1: I can find the name. Yeah, it's called the Second Story,
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  Speaker 1: the name of the YouTube channel, and the video is
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  Speaker 1: called the Absolute Degeneracy of Modern Writing. But it is
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  Speaker 1: modern writing for women. And it's about thirty seven minutes long.
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's totally worth watching. She writes about
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  Speaker 1: writing like she's a writer, but she absolutely is disgusted
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  Speaker 1: with the current state of literature today, right, and most
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  Speaker 1: of it is this kind of smut that is aimed
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  Speaker 1: at women. Now, of course this is causing a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a there's a social let's say, effect of this
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  Speaker 1: that is not really talked about and it's not seen
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  Speaker 1: because I think the idea that women can be this
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  Speaker 1: way is a little bit abhorrent to us, Like we
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  Speaker 1: normalize it for men, like we we are okay with
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  Speaker 1: that because we think it's normal, but with women, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's we don't we don't want to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: because it kind of like it's uncomfortable, but it is
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  Speaker 1: true and that and that brings me to what this
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  Speaker 1: this story is about. So there's a website. I learned
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  Speaker 1: about this through fandom Pulse, but unfortunately they have the
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  Speaker 1: article behind a paywall, and I don't I don't have
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  Speaker 1: an account. I'm not going to open one just for
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  Speaker 1: one article. I I know, I've been on John Dela
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  Speaker 1: Rose's streams. I think I've had Jonathan Trent on my
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  Speaker 1: channel a while back to talk to him, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: grateful for the work that they do. But I figured
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  Speaker 1: there's another way to you know, I'm gonna look for
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  Speaker 1: this story another way. But it was also reported on
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  Speaker 1: by Clownfish TV, and what they were talking about is
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  Speaker 1: apparently there was this this con this convention for romanticy
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  Speaker 1: books called Sinners and Stardust. Okay, so they had this convention.
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  Speaker 1: So I got this website called Smart Bitches Trashy Books
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  Speaker 1: up and I'm just gonna read a little bit of this.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can see what's going on. I'm assuming that
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  Speaker 1: this is a feminist website as well, so it may actually, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, tone down the let's say, the severity of
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  Speaker 1: what happened here. But no, anyway, the con drama has
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  Speaker 1: been NonStop this year as people try to launch weekend
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  Speaker 1: events and one, two, or nineteen things go wrong. The
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  Speaker 1: latest is Sinners and Stardust. Sinners and Stardust is a
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  Speaker 1: weekend event that hosts an author signing and a Dark
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  Speaker 1: Romance Ball to celebrate the readers and authors of dark romance.
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  Speaker 1: At the ball, apparently many many things went very very wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It was the top few trending topics on Threads in fact,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't have a threads. I don't really know
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  Speaker 1: what that's about. So like romanticy is basically like what,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you put it? It's like
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  Speaker 1: the I guess what I understand. It's like women getting
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  Speaker 1: raped by were wolves and vampires. It's it's literally it's
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  Speaker 1: got it's got incests, rape fantasies and monsters. And this
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  Speaker 1: is women reading this. Okay, just saying this is women
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  Speaker 1: reading this, and that's what that's some of what's in it.
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  Speaker 1: And and as I understand it, it's very it's very rapey.
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  Speaker 1: It's very dangerous, like in terms of like the not
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  Speaker 1: not that I'm I'm problematizing it, but I mean like
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  Speaker 1: the content, you know, like the the characters and the
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  Speaker 1: situations are dangerous. And that's supposed to be titillating, right,
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  Speaker 1: and there's you know, women being like their slavery, and
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  Speaker 1: there's all this other sort of BDSMI stuff in the content,
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  Speaker 1: and it's very popular. It's just really popular, okay with women,
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  Speaker 1: which sounds like a paradox, but you know, after the
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  Speaker 1: me too movement, But no, it's it's not that weird,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So look at that there. So there's like
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  Speaker 1: an image here of a bunch of talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: like a screenshot. So what happened? So? HD Carlson reported
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram that cosplayer Animus, who was in attendance, was
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  Speaker 1: allegedly So the animus, I guess is some cousplayer and
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  Speaker 1: it's a dude, and he was growthed to the point
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  Speaker 1: that his body paint was smeared with handprints. He was
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  Speaker 1: allegedly sexually assaulted, and he had an air to egg
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  Speaker 1: place somewhere or near or on his person. So and
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  Speaker 1: here's a report of it's a screenshot as well. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to read it really quick from HD Carlton author.
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  Speaker 1: So HG. Carlson is an author. I guess a woman.
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  Speaker 1: She says, all right, y'all, it appears I have to
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  Speaker 1: make a post that I'm frankly pretty goddamn upset I
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  Speaker 1: have to make. This post is for the readers who
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  Speaker 1: don't understand consent and boundaries. Only A lot of you
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  Speaker 1: may know a good friend of mine, Animus, who is
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  Speaker 1: also at ethereal Treason. I guess he has attended a signing,
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  Speaker 1: so he it's a dude, has attended a signing of
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  Speaker 1: mine in the past, and obviously is a music artist.
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  Speaker 1: This past weekend he attended Sinners and Stardusts and probably
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  Speaker 1: had one of the most heartbreaking experiences. So listen, he's
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  Speaker 1: a man, right, But do we think that means it's
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  Speaker 1: okay to put your hands all over him without consent,
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  Speaker 1: or to put your hands in his waistband or down
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  Speaker 1: his pants or touch his dick. So this is all
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  Speaker 1: stuff that happened to this guy. He got assaulted by
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  Speaker 1: a mob of women at this romanticy conference. Okay, do
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  Speaker 1: we think it's okay to quite literally back him into
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  Speaker 1: a corner and touch all over him to the point
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  Speaker 1: that he literally can't tell how many hands are on
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  Speaker 1: him and who's or who's Do we think it's okay
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  Speaker 1: to send him into an actual panic attack? So he
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: apparently had a panic attack because of this. Furthermore, do
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  Speaker 1: we think it's okay to interrogate him and insist he
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  Speaker 1: detail how he caid nap a woman despite him repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: saying he wouldn't and that you know the shit is
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  Speaker 1: fiction trash talk my books to him and try to
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  Speaker 1: get him to join in, and then attempt to follow
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  Speaker 1: him when he tries to get the fuck away. He
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  Speaker 1: had sweat resilient black paint airbrush on his chest, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess he was in costume as some character and
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  Speaker 1: was told the only thing that will move it is
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  Speaker 1: bodily or is body oils. Why did this man end
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the night with almost all of it rubbed off and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a handprint smeared across his chest? I want y'all to
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: seriously sit with yourselves and your actions and ask yourself
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: if you would be okay with a strange man doing
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that to you. And then she goes on and says,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and if that wasn't bad enough. During the time of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: this mob, him and another author received a notification that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: an air tag was tracking him, which showed it on
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: his person all the way to his hotel room. He
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: knows how air tag work and that close that close
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: by ones can trigger notifications. This was not the case. Also,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: he got the notification way later because he had no
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: signal at the event and it didn't come through until
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: he got signal again. That is literally sickening, and I'm
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: ill that someone might have planted a tracking device on him.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: You guys do know that these books are fiction, right.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: We enjoy these books because they're fiction. We do not
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: condone these actions in real life. And while it's okay
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to act out your fantasies consentually with a trusted adult,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it is not okay to ask a complete stranger to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: do so, or take it upon yourselves to sexually assault him.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I'm so incredibly disappointed that he was treated this way.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I brought him into this space because I trusted that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: he would be safe with y'all, and the fact that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he wasn't is quite eye opening. And boy does it
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: affect my decisions from my own future attendances. Somebody just
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: got red pilled on women. I mean, like, I'm sorry,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: but like, why did you think this is the problem? Right?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: This is the narrative. Well, the narrative is that if
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: this was a woman at a convention like I don't know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like a I don't even think that happens like at
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a you know, like where a horde of men, like
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: unless you go to like you know, some other third
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: world country or something, but like not in the West,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: not in America. And she's shocked by this. That tells
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you how little she understands, how naive she is about
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: what women are capable of if they want to. Okay, anyway,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm so what was I saying? Especially because he was
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: not the only one disrespected at this event by a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: long shot. So many authors are coming out about people
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: crossing boundaries in a multitude of ways. I've had to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: had this conversation before with asking my husband gross personal questions.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Asking my husband grows personal questions. So why are we
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: taking it a step further and assaulting people? Now? I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: genuinely shocked that, as a woman or woman presenting God,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this is so cringe some of y'all thought it was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: okay to act this way. And as someone who brought
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: him into the space, I feel responsible for him, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I'm so fucking sad that some of my own readers
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: were a part of this behavior. If this was you,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: please learn basic respect boundaries and how to ask for consent,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: treat others the way you would like to be treated
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: by a strange man, and for the love of God,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: please do not ever come near me in public. Animists
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: also posted their own statement about what happened, explaining that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they are not pressing charges. So there's another statement. I
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: could read that, but I just want to just real
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: quick drive it home. You know, Alison has some data
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that said that millennial women are the rapist generation of
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: women like that in recorded history since we've been recording it,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and I think it comes from an insensive entitlement, this
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: idea that only men, you know, are capable of this
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: kind of evil, which I think it is fair to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: say it's evil. And of course when they do it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we do what you're supposed to do, you know. We
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: we investigate and if they are guilty, we convict and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: we send them the jail or whatever the penalty is.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be. But we don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: do that for women. It's not the same at all.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And the problem with that is, again, like I said
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, if you look at the history of rapists,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: any if you look at the history of any rapist,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: male or female, they all have being raped in there
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: or like having their boundaries cross in some way, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: usually raped in their own history. So when you permit
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: women to rape boys, you permit boys to rape after that,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: right beyond that, and so like, you can't complain about
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: rape culture if you're not tackling it in like a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: way that makes sense by to by Also, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: first of all, just treating women the same as men,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: just like the under the law. You know, I got
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a rant from Noba fan. Thank you Noba fan. He says,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: for a dollar, what worries me is how many men
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and women will still act like women were somehow never
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: this sexual until now, Never mind that what women were
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like during Elvis Presley and the Beatles. Yeah, I know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I know. It's like we forgot that the Beatles and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Elvis Presley would have to, like and lots of other
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you know, musicians and celebrities would have to like run
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: from hordes of women. It wasn't a joke like I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: remember they used to talk about. I don't remember who
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: it was, but there were some musicians that were like, yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: if they get their hands on me, I'm afraid they
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: might kill me. Because it's like you know, it's like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Black Friday, you know, like they could actually do harm,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: not intentionally, just trying to like touch you or grope
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you or whatever. And again, if it was a man,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't put up with it, and we shouldn't. But
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, when it's a woman, for some reason, nobody
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: thinks that they're even capable of this kind of thing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep reading, but first I'm gonna ask
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: if anybody in the uh uh, anybody in the space
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: wants to say something, you can put your hand up
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and I'll give you. I'll try to give you permission
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to speak. If anybody wants to say anything, I mean,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you guys can just chill there if you want to too,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll try to keep my eye out for
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: for that. Okay. So yeah, the data shows that like
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: there was, there's studies done on on millennial women and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the the the oh Brian wants to say something? Okay,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: let me, uh, how do I add you give you permission?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to do that? No, that just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: goes to your page. Let me see how do I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: do that? How do I do it? Oh shit, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. Give me a second space settings
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: microphone settings. So space settings, everyone speakers, I made I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: made it that. Oh see here, I'm trying. Good dude,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't use this very often. I should
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: have like figured this out before I started a space settings.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'll just say everyone for now, Okay, so you should
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: be to say something, Brian, I think can you?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Here we go. I got it, I got it. Hold on,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to invite you to speak. Okay, should be
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: able to talk?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Now you hear me?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, I can hear you. Let me just see if
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: everybody else can. Oh yeah, they can go ahead.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to say that I liked your
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: point about Joe Rogan because I did watch your Guys
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: show on that where you Guys covered that him basically
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: making a joke about it, and the joke that the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: joke that he's actually referring to is a joke that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he said on his podcast where he talked about how
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: if a female student is assaulted by a male teacher,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it's considered bad, but if a male student is assaulted
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: by let's say thirty twenty something year old female teacher,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: he scored Yeah, and you know that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: And I've noticed that locally where I live.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I've seen that a lot, Like in the past couple
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of months, there's been stories. There was just one story
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of a fourteen, fifteen year old young man who was
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: assaulted by a female teacher and she was like in
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: her like late twenties, early thirties, And it's just kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: of sickening when you think about how we view pornography,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: just like what you said about pornography, and how we
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: view that as mutt and disgusting and demeaning to women,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: when honestly it is because I mean it it is smut,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I will admit it is, but we don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: treat it the same way as say, you know, the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: fifty shades or the BDSM like kinky like sexual way women.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think. Look, I think
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that we can have a conversation about whether or not,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know, we should restrict porn, ban porn whatever. But
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: my point is if we're going to do that, we
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: have to include, like because when men and women are
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: sexually simulated by different things, so we have to include
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the what what women respond to too, like we exactly
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like otherwise I'm not saying just
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: as some generic like it's just fair type of thing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, like if the purpose of it is to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: reduce harm for whatever reason, Like if we're looking at
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like the downstream effects of like over consumption of porn
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: leads to you know, this or that problem, And I'm like, okay,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'll get behind all the studies that say that. But
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: then it also has that effect on women. They just
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: consume a different porn, That's what I'm saying.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's a different medium, yeah, the main.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a different medium, but it's the one
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they respond to. But then, like when you think about
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that that you can go into a Walmart and get
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that for women, you can't get you can't get like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a penthouse at a Walmart. You know, no, I mean
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: nobody reads you know what I mean.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: You can't go to brothers or you know whatever. Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: you know, the simple simple Google search. But yeah, you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it's it's crazy because you think about it. How because
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: people talk about how easily accessible porn is now with
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the Internet, And you guys did did a show on
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the UK's law about how there's the protecting kids bs
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: when it's not about protecting kids, it's about governmental control,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: not necessarily about protecting children stay where I live.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem with any kind of government restrictions
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: is that you're you are definitely handing a weapon to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the state in the hopes they use it in the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: way that you want. But you've still given them this power.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And then you know, it could be this administration, it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: could be the next administration, but you are handing a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you know, power to the state where you know, if
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you're just like a good parent, you don't really have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to worry about this stuff, you know.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right, And I mean it's yes, anyway, kids are going
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to be curious. I mean, you can't watch them twenty
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: four to seven. But I think the important thing is
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to educate them and to tell them that these things
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: exist and to explain that it's not real. Like, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you can't protect your kids from everything. So I think
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that the idea is, yeah, you don't want your thirteen
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: year old kid watching pornography.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Here's Me's a question, is Collective Shout gonna say anything
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: about these books?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I don't do.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You know who Collective shots?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the radical like feminists.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Australia and like band happy feminists, oh.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they they were talking about video games.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: They were video games and and like.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Women attractive women in video games and how that's problematic
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and they.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Well they were they actually went after g T A
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: five and yeah, what was that David Cage game Detroit
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Become Human. So like their their their definition of what
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: qualifies like something that is dangerous is really broad and vague.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And that's why again we shouldn't you should not be
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: going along with this from people like that, because ultimately
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it's like I always say, you know, the issue is
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: never really about the issue, It's always about the revolution
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: or control. And yeah, and it's crazy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: You've talked about uh, you know only fans. I liked
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: one of the things that you brought up about. Uh.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think you were talking about how men or how
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: men are used as competiitsian for other women and how
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: like you were talking about like cosplayers, like the fake
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the fake nerds, the one the ones the women that
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: dress up in like a Spider Man, simple Spider Man
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: spandex suit to get men to you know, goon over
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: them or whatever.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they pretend to be nerds. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like Spider Man, and they wear like just the Spider
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Man tights that they bought like on Amazon, and they
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: call it a cosplay, and I was like, no, you
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: can't defend that. Like, I've seen people who put a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: lot of work in a cosplay. It's not really my bag.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I've seen people put the work in and it's like, yes,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I've seen some impressive stuff, but there's a lot of thoughttery,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughttery in there, and and yes, a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lot of thotary, and so you just and it's okay
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to point it out. It's okay to be like, yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: she's just being a thought online, you know, and it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: for attention. And ultimately, yeah, the attention that women seek
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: online has nothing to do with the men. It's always
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: about the other women. They're just telling other women, they're
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: flexing on them. Look at how many followers I have,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: look at how many likes I'm getting, like how much
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm making on OnlyFans, And it's got nothing new with
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the men. They don't even give a shit about.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Them now, so they just care about what they can
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: get out.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the men are their measuring stick. Attention is the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: measuring stick. So it's sad. It's sad, you know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Well it is, And and like I'm glad that you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we got people like you and Allison that are speaking
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: out on this. And there's been many times where I've
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: spoken on the issues with dating and relationships with women,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: and you know, just this, just this story, you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: this young man who was groped by a bunch of women,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And like, I guarantee you that the men on the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: internet or anybody on the Internet would be like, oh,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you're a man, you should have liked that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: No, but here's here's another mistake they make. And Joe
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Rogan makes this exact same mistake. See these guys that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that they say, oh, what are you bitching about? Like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's hot. You know, first of all, it's wrong,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: no matter what, Like even if the chicks are hot,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's not right and that's not good. And and men
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: have a right to boundaries. Like the guy could be married,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: he could be in a relationship, he could be afraid
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that he could allow himself to be assaulted and then
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: get accused of sexual assault later because that's happened. But
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: then like there's also just like on the basic level,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: what if these women are just fucking monstrous handbeasts, Like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: what if they're ugly? What if the teacher that's banging
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: her student is like a fucking you know, turd blossom
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of like a fat ass. And I've seen that because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I report on these I report on these assaults all
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the time, and a lot of the times these women
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: are not attractive. No, I'm just able to overpower boys
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: or drug them or or groom them or whatever. And
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you know, again, it's a really simple thing. We just
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: treat it the same and there's nothing to talk about.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But we don't.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: We just exactly.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is a kind of a pervert, and I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: think that comes out in what he said.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean I joke with my friends
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: all the time, you know, like I joke and I'm like, eh,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I do something to that or whatever.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: But it's a joke.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not serious. Like, you know, it's one thing if
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you're sitting there joking about it. It's another thing if
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you know a woman's trying to you know, feel you
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: up or whatever.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, just because and they're like, oh you
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: got hard.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Hello, that's gonna happen, like you know, yeah, Like that
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't exactly mean that, you know, it's the same argument
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: of like, oh, to a woman, what were you wearing.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't ask a woman that because that doesn't matter
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: that it matters the fact that she was assaulted, not
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: what she.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Was wearing that day, right right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: You know, So if you wouldn't say that to a woman,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: why are you going to say that to a man
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: just because he's a guy.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Like, well, yeah, I mean again, we just we don't.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: We just don't treat the same. And I think it's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a and you know what though, on the plus side,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: this incident, I think it is waking people up to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that reality that you know, and it's a simple thing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there, women are capable of evil as well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: That's that's all it is. Like that's it's a really
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: simple thing. And yet people are allergic to it, you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: like they don't want to accept it. It's like, no, dude,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: this can happen. And even like attractive girls can be evil.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That's another thing. You know, she's hot, it's like, so
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: fucking what.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: She's had a toell so what like you know, so
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: what you know, at the end of the day, like
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I think I think even the hotter ones are even
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: more dangerous because the ones use what they have because
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, I look good, so I know
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that any man is gonna want me or yeah, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, well, I'll just use my you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: sex appeal to get what I want.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because anytime that I bring this.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Up, just just to reiterate your point, anytime that I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: bring any of this up, and I I talk about,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you know, because I was raised in a Christian family,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: so you no, and I'm not the perfect Christian nobody is,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: but like you know, when I always when I always
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: talk about things like women like obsessing over their sex
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: appeal and overestimating how sexy and how attractive they are
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: just because they can get it, get things that they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: want out of men do to their sex appeal and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: they can use that to their advantage and and everything else.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Then then I'll often get called by women. I'll get
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: called an inceel or this or that, and it's like
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: why just because I don't want to subject to myself
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to being a simp for women, you know, like and
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I mean even you said, like I can't remember what
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: stream it was, but you said, the symps have to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: stop doing that, like you know, like and and yeah
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: they do like guys, guys do need to stop simping
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: for women?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is mean to them, but like no, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: just stop treating them like they're fucking glass cats. You know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: they're they're they're people, they make mistakes, queen someone. If
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you really care about somebody, you call them out like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you don't just you don't just go along with whatever.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: You call them like yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And it's like I remember one instance, I talked about
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: how my ex was abusive, and uh, you know I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I remember I was on a buddy's podcast of mine,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't allowed to talk about it, Like I
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to because they wouldn't they wouldn't allow me to.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And luckily it never turned anything to physical. It's mostly like.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: A verbal sort of thing. But like I wasn't allowed
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to talk about it. It's almost like you're not allowed
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: to talk about it at all. But if you're a woman,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: everybody's like, you know, tell your story, you know whatever.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: But if you're a guy, it's just like shut up
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: and take it because you're a dude, and that's the
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: only reason.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And it's now they'll accuse you of being gay. I mean,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because you don't let them grope you.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: You know, like there's guys that in you know, like
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: if you're like a guy. I know, I've seen it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: where guys are like they wear kilts, you know, and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: then women are like, oh, they immediately are like, well,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: are you legitimately a scotsman? I'm going to find out
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and they go to grow grab their junk or whatever
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and that like this is like all I'm saying is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this happens a lot. This is not unusual. You know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: women can be just as degenerate as men, and it's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: okay for us to treat them as such. But let
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: me read more of this real quick, and I'm gonna
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: invite other people to speak if they want to. Do
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you have any final words. I'm not going to kick
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you out. I'm just gonna like, yeah, don't you back
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: on them.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And I just want to say thank you for what
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: you guys do, both of you and Allison, because like this,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: everything that you guys talk about on your shows definitely
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: needs to be talked about, whether or not you guys
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: get backlash, and you're just kind of guy that's like, well,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say whatever I want to say.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't care you know, and I talk to my
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: friends about your show all the time just because of
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the fact that people they don't talk about stuff like this.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: People are scared to speak out against women because of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the backlash.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: That they'll get. And yeah, women, can you just be
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: as nasty as guys are? They can't.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I think people know that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: They just they just let people like say it well
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or they hope other people will say it
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: for them, you know. But okay, So I'm gonna move
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you back into listeners for now. If anybody wants to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: say anything, raise your hand. I'm gonna try and keep
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: my eye out for that. But let me read the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: animusis statements. This is the person, the cosplayer who was assaulted.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna predict. I haven't read this yet.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna predict right off the bat. He's gonna he's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: probably going to downplay it, because that's what like, this
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: is another thing that you see a lot, right, But
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it'll be like, oh no, I'm okay, like whatever. Let
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: me just read this and I'll give you disabled say
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I see that you put your hands up. Okay. First
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and foremost, I want to thank the community for the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: overwhelming support since these incidences have been exposed. I also
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: want to comme Sinners and Stardust for implementing a new
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: guideline and rules to make events like these safer for
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: everyone attending. Aside from the ball, I had an amazing
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: time and sign at the signing, and I'm so grateful
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that I got to meet all of you. I would
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like to make it known that I'm not comfortable pressing charges,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: partly because there were a lot of people involved and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: because of my mask I couldn't see very well. It's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: impossible to remember every one of them, and truthfully, I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to force myself to anyway. When I was
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: cornered at the ball, I panicked and blacked out, so
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of that night is a blur and I'm
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: still trying to process it. If I'm being honest, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: felt their hands better than I could see their faces.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I'm new to this world and this was my first
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: big event, so I'm not familiar with anyone in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: community outside of my friends yet. But with that said,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I do not want to put myself through any more
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: of this by dealing with authorities and trying to remember
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: names and faces and who did what. I just want
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to make music, read awesome books, and continue to help
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: support the amazing authors in this community. As for the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: air tag, we were unable to find out who planted it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: After the ball, I undressed for bed, and by the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: time I was notified the next day, we had already
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: left the hotel. We did confirm the air tag was
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: no longer on me or in my bag, So that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: sounds like some shit like misery, shit you know where
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: he was gonna wake up in, like you know Kathy
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Bates's bed, like tied down with a broken foot. Okay, Anyway,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: we did confirm the AirTag was no longer on me
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: or in my bag, and was likely left somewhere in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the room from undressing that night. All we know is
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: based on the notification. It started tracking me when I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was at the ball and surrounded by people and attracted
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: me all the way to my hotel room, which was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a different hotel in Boston and not the same one
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: as the event. While this was extremely unnerving to find out,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't see it until later. I'm glad
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: nothing further happened that night. I'm sorry if my decis
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: is disappointing to everyone. I know you all have asked
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that I press charges, and I really don't want to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: upset any of you by not doing so. He just
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to set anyone. He doesn't want to upset
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the people who assaulted him. He doesn't want to upset
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the people that told him that he should report it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I just wanted awareness so precautions can be put in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: place to protect others in the future. Situations like these
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: are far too common, and even though I am upset
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it happened to me, I'm just glad to know the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: event is taking steps to help prevent it from happening
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: again in the future. I hope other book events can
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: do the same for so all people feel safe. For
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: those who say that I should have set better boundaries
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: in the moment when things happened, it brought back past trauma,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: which ultimately made me shut down and blackout. I also
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to feel unsafe or disrespected, and wanted
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: to make sure everyone had a good time, even if
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it resulted in me being the one to take the hit.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I am sorry you feel that I should have done more,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and I truly wish I did as well. Thank you,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: HD Carl that's the hotel for being the voice. Well, no,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, H. Carls is the author. I'm sorry
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: for being the voice when mind fell short and supporting
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: me through this, as well as Enez Santana Hawk and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: everyone else behind closed doors that continue to be my
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: support when I need it the most. And I want
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to thank the book community again for showing up to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: defend me and for the incredible amount of support. I
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: truly was not expecting it to expecting it to this level,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and every one of you help restore what those at
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the ball stripped from me, which is my safety in
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: this community. I am taking some time to process and heal,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and I will This sounds like a woman wrote it,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and I know it's a dude, but I swear it
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: just sounds like a woman wrote this. Okay, I'm taking
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: some time to process and heal, and I will continue
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to pour my heart and soul into my music. I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: hope more than anything this incident is not what everyone
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: chooses to remember me by, and that one day my
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: music will speak louder. Thank you animus. So that's the letter,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and uh then I just I'll read a little bit
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: more of this Another author posted, I'd like to remind
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: people that kissing an author is super uncomfortable. That's super weird.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Like I like this. I've been to conventions, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and like if I get to shake the hand of
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like one of the pro wrestlers that's at those things,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like I think, you know, Iron Chic. I shook his
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: hand once and I was like an ultimate warrior. But
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that's it, man, And it was like a bundle of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: nerves anyway. Other other attendees have mentioned audiobook narrators and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: voiceover artists were also subjected to lude and inappropriate comments.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't just this guy. This was an issue
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: all throughout. So there's narrators, audiobook narrators, the voice voiceover guys,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and UH voiceover artists were also subjected to lude and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: inappropriate comments. One attendee, whose threads name changed between UH
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Jilly read Jilie Reid's and Jay Reid before they deleted
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: their account, was allegedly a conference volunteer, and as part
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: of their ball attire, wore a strap on dildo and
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: flashed people with it. Reports from other attendees have included
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that they were asked, do you want to see something
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: or that this person was whipping it out on an
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: elevator with no comment. So Jillie Reid's or Jay reads
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I guess as a woman that was an attendee that
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: was wearing a strap on dildo and flashing it at people.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Jayy Reids posted an apology on Threads before disappearing here
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: to hold myself accountable. I am deeply, deeply sorry, from
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart to anyone who I made
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable or hurt at the ball. I really truly was
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: not thinking clearly, and I was ignorant to the fact
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that it would hurt some Something I thought was just
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: harmless fun where a lot of others did as well,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: would not be viewed the same way as everyone else.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It will never happen again. Being human, we make mistakes
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and we learned from them. I promised this was a
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: teaching moment. It was in no way me trying to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: be malicious, but I see that it was. I did
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: not mean to be that person in any way, shape
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: or for it. You put the dildo on, and then
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: you went to the thing you obviously meant to do
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that like it, just just own it. Stop it. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: hate that I did that to anyone attending the dance.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Please forgive me. I cannot say how sorry, I am enough?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: So all right, So that so this this went, this
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: went this. This convention sounds like bullshit. It's uh, it
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: sounds like it's it sounds like something you might see
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: at like an actual like porno movie like event. They
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: thought they have like award shows for those and a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of people show up. This sounds like it. It's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: worse than that. Maybe. I mean, I don't really know.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I'd never go to one of those. But
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: all right, so I think, uh, disabled it wants to talk,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to approve and uh wait wait, I'm
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: gonna invite you to speak. You have to accept it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and I think you should be good to go. So
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: let me let me know when you. Yeah, I can
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: hear you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: It's called the A V and Awards Convention. Okay, okay,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: oh the extralsover they have?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Is that what you wanted to say?
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So they have like punk conventions all over, like
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: they have one in Chicago, and they have one in
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: l A.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I can see the l A one.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: The one in Chicago. The one in Chicago got popular.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Couple of years ago because people people are making fun
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: of the guys that went the conventions, and one guy
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: got very popular two years ago because of it. They're
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: just making fun of the guys that that attends that
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: that sort of thing. Really yeah, with the whole women
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: not understanding maloun boundaries. It happens a lot in clubs,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: especially especially in the especially in the UK. Because what
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: time a girl just came up to me.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And started growing me really.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that happened back in two thousand and I want
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: to say five. So yeah, when I was when I
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: was just starting to leave my room and go out
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: into the wider world. But just like beyond that, I was,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I was. I was like a shut in. I never
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: used to go out the house or nothing until around
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: two thousand and two I started living the house with
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: me and people and stuff like that. So I used
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: to go to this club like every every month or so.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: It was in Candent. It's called the Underworld.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Underworld.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I used see my friends there and then this
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: girl just rands and came up to me and like
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: growth of me and stuff. So and that was like
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: my first experience with with with a woman, like yeah, yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: and tenderly my last until I was thirty thirty one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: So they had a cycle. H what do you call it?
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I say, I say they had a they had a
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: text on me.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh yeah, yeah sure, sure, Yeah, I've been
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was like eighteen, I got growed
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: by a prostitute, just randomly, and I didn't know what
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to do. I was shocked.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I was. I was nineteen at the time.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't really tell anybody until right until now because like,
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: but I'm black, and.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: As a victim, well as as a man, they're not
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: going to see you as a victim. Yeah, I mean already.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: So the same thing happened to Chris Brown and Kelly
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: There were abuse when they were kids. So Chris Brown
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: was when he was years old, and that's how he's
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: used when and because it has the effect on society
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: and nobody really because halfy one, he was lefted when
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: he was twelve.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Getting grow up by a prostitute is not a boast
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: senior sticks. They'll approach anybody, but they're trying to make money,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you know. Especially these projects were really gross. These were
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like Chicago West Side, pregnant, nasty. Yeah, they were street walkers.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: They weren't like high class you know, that was right
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: on the corner watching. No, it was very it was
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: But anyway, women with the woman molesting boys, that's how big,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: that's how that's how you that's how you equate in
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: But no, I know they're not ready for that that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: conversation because I keep all right, Richard, well, I'm gonna
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back to the article because I'm gonna
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: be ending this in about eight minutes or so. So
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for that, for being long winded. No,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: it's fine, dude, No, it's it's fine. You're you're you're fine.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It's not I just want to give other people a
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: chance if they if they want to say anything. But okay,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: thank you, Richard. All right, so let me get back
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to this again. If anybody wants to say anything, uh,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: let me know. So that was his response, and like predictably,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: he downplayed it because that's that's usually what men do.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: They basically like, you know what, it's okay, like I'm
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: okay or whatever, and yeah, he's probably okay, but I
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: don't think it's That's the problem is that you permit this,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and then it'll happen again because there's no consequences. Why
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they do it again to somebody else? So I
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: got a super chat from Albatross. Thank you Albatross for
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to two dollars, and he says, this entire convention sounds
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like sheep shit. Is that a sheep or a bull? How?
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Shit?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it sounds like shit, some kind
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of shit. I'm gonna see if I can look at
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it better because it's kind of hard to see there. Yeah,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: water buffalo shit apparently. Okay, that's really that's serious. So
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: what's the response been? She continues on this article mostly
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: horror and condemnation, which is reassuring, but also, as I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: noted in my initial warning, plenty of victim blaming. Wow,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that this woman actually considers that there's victim
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: blaming can go towards men. That's crazy. There's some you
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: normalize this in your dark romance books rebuttal, which please
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: have many seats and know you don't get a snack
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: while you wait. You have been battling that same bullshit
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: accusation under many different banners. Normalizing assault is a cousin
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: who gives women unrealistic expectations. No one, as Elliott Harlowe says,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: runs up to George R. R. Martin and threatens him
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: with the sword, while folks shrug and go, well, he
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: was asking for it. We don't say this crap much
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: about men or about other genres. Actually, yeah, I think
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: they do. This is the reason, this is the thing
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that she's not going to be able to unravel, because
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: actually it's very normal for the things that men enjoy
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to be problematized in the same way that you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you normalize a certain attitude. What is the male gaze?
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: When when when it's talked about, what is it when
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you see like a sexy woman in a movie,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and then women say this is unrealistic beauty standards like
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: as literally what they accuse men of, you know, like
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: men's media being, which is why, by the way, they're
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: always changing it and they're basically like nerfing. I guess
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you could say it's like the nerfing you know, men's content,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: because they're saying, well, we don't want to normalize like
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: essentially negative stereotypes about women or masculinity or feminity or whatever.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So this is this already just is complete bullshit. And
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: again I don't know. I do think it doesn't really
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: come from the normalization of the writing. It more so
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: comes from the lack of consequences. I think, because you're
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: going to run into people who are going to have, like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you know, stupid ideas cooked up in their head because
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: they watched something or read something. That's an inevitability. But
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I think that the consequences of what really prevents the behavior,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: there has to be consequences. So all right, normalizing assault
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: is a cousin who gives women? I already read that bit,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: But who damn do we say it about romance and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: romance readers. It happens to me too when I tell
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: people that I write about romance fiction. I was asked
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: about my sex life on live television. Outsiders are easily
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: comfortable crossing boundaries of conversation to inquire about sex merely
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: because I've mentioned romance novels. Yeah, where you asked that?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Where you asked those questions about your sex life by
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: men or women? Because I guarantee I know which one
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: it was, And the crossing of boundaries continues. I do
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  Speaker 1: not want to accept the idea that some readers are
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  Speaker 1: too fucking stupid to reliably know the difference between reality
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  Speaker 1: and fiction, or so diluted as to use their fiction
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  Speaker 1: to excuse their unacceptable behavior. But holy crap, look at
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: where we are. You normalize this is a feeble attempt
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to deflect or defend terrible behavior, choices to blame the
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: victims and to silence them because they ask for it
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  Speaker 1: by writing dark romances or doing the performance that they
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: were paid to do. Um, that's a bit of a stretch.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I think, I think I'll I'll leave this one. I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: think I know also will have a lot to say
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: about this, since she is a writer, and she has
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: looked at this like some of this god awful smut
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that basically women read. And by the way, this like
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: sexual stuff, this romanticy stuff, it's the most popular genre.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: So it's not like women are reading like little Women
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: or some like you know, high literature stuff. They're not
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: even reading like the the young adult novels anymore, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: like the Maze Runner or whatever it was popular, right,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: like Hunger Games. They're reading like this shit, so like
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: it's very popular with them. And I think that what
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: we really have here is, you know, it comes down
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to like if we're gonna like call it a porno problem,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I think that it's a genderless problem. This is the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: This is the main thing I wanted to drive home
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: is that if this is an issue, it's not a
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: man's issue, it's everybody's issue. It's a it's a moral issue, perhaps,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like that we should all be like seeking
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: something more. And a lot of it has the fact
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: that the quality of writing has gone to the toilet.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody's writing well, there are no modern day C. S.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Lewis's or Tolkien's or Tom tom Clancy, right, or the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: guy who wrote the Hunger Games? Is that Tom Clancy?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Not the Hunger Games, I'm sorry,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: the Patriot Games books, the the the Jack Ryan books
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that are really popular. Right, So yeah, I think that's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like the main thing is anybody else want
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to say anything? Did you want to say anything? Because
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you haven't raised your hand at all. I think you're
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just lurking, right, I just want to lurk. Mindless Scribbles
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: says women experience sensuality through fantasy and men experience it
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: through physicality. Men and women's brains work differently. Yes, thank
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: you for saying that that's what I've been saying. What
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: turns women on is not quite the same as what
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: turns men on, and so there is that's why there
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: isn't much porn for women. That's like unless you're like
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: a couple that watches it together or something. And lesbians.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: They make porn for lesbians, I guess, but it probably
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: as gross as fuck, not the normal porn that people
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: think about when it comes to lesbians. I mean, Robert
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Johnson says there have always been degenerate flashers. Now they
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: are wearing strap ons. Yeah. Mangaka ninety two says most
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Western porn is absolute trash and jav all the way. Okay,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: so anyway, let me let me see here so I'll
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: read a little bit more. But I wanted to share
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: this mostly because of, like I said before, the sort
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: of like double standards, Like did you guys know about
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the Justin Bieber, Right, So Justin Bieber there was a
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: clip of him getting like kissed by Jenny McCarthy when
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: he was eighteen years old and Jenny McCarthy was forty
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: so and that was like on like an award show, right,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that's why Justin Bieber's kind of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: a mess right now. It's probably a lot of things,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: but I think that that being normalized, that like a
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: grown woman can just like you know, like basically forced
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: kiss a kid on TV on an award show being
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: watched by millions of people when he he's only eighteen
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and she's forty years old.
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  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, and we're just like we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: just find it funny and cute, which is what we did. Then,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Like if if time passes and the guy's like covered
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: in tattoos and he's obviously a mess, like why do
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: we wonder about that? And again, I know that's not
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: the only thing that happened, but that's one thing we
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: can point at and that we know for sure happened
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: because it was on TV, it was everywhere, and nobody
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: seemed to think it was a big deal. So you know,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I guess all I'm saying is that next time you see,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: like there's a guy who's accused of like you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: some kind of like sexual crime, we should probably ask ourselves.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Not that it, say, let's say, validates anything that he's done,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: but if we don't ask ourselves, where does that come from?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: What happened to him. Then we can't help to solve
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: this problem. We can't because we're always just gonna like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: ignore it when their children and then give a shit
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: when they're adults and they become offenders. So I don't
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: know just I wanted to say. But with that said,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: if no one's gonna say anything else, I'm gonna end
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: this here. This is like I think, this is like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the second time I've done one of these X spaces
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: where just sort of like talking to people on X.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: If you guys like this kind of stuff, let me know,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: we'll do this more regularly. I was I was kind
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: of hoping that there'd be some people to fight with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: me on here, but I guess nobody wants to, so
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: that's cool, probably because they don't have any arguments. I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, but Alixon and I will go through this
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: incident in more detail on Monday when she's back. I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: think that she's got a lot to say about it,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: and you know, she tends to bring the receipts. I mean,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I can get the receipts, but she tends to have
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: them ready, So that might make for a good show
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: if you want to see, you know, more evidence for
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: what I'm claiming, so it doesn't seem like it comes
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: from nowhere. I'm pretty sure also will back me up
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: on everything that I've said about this. So yeah, apparently
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: this whole Sinners and Stardust Romanticy convention turned sour and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: people were shocked and I was not because I know that,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: you know, women can be like this too, and I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: think it's important that we recognize that. So anyway, with
• 1:01:16
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