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Who is the Best Ohio State QB of All Time, And Can Julian Sayin Be No. 1? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 2: First, let's start with a baseline. Who is the first
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Speaker 2: Ohio state quarterback that you remember.
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Speaker 3: Watching Gosh might be Kirk kurbs Street, maybe Mike tom Zak.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember hearing about Mike tom Zach. For me,
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Speaker 2: it's Jim Carsados, which late eighties, and then you know
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Speaker 2: there's a little bit of Tom Tupa in there after Carsados,
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Speaker 2: and then then you get into the Kirk kurb Street,
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Speaker 2: Kent and Graham and then finally finally into the i'd
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Speaker 2: say the modern era of Ohio state offense with Prett Powers,
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Speaker 2: Bobby Hoying and then Joe Jermaine and Stan Jackson and
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Speaker 2: all of that. But I we're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: who are top ten Ohio State quarterbacks of all time are?
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Speaker 2: But I wanted also to have like a control a.
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Speaker 2: I put together a formula and I'll show the I'll
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Speaker 2: show this up on the screen as I'm talking about it.
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Speaker 2: But I've got a formula where it's career passing yards,
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Speaker 2: career rushing yards, touchdowns minus interceptions, how many times you've
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Speaker 2: been to All Big Ten, how many times you've been
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Speaker 2: All American, how many times you've beat in Michigan, I
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Speaker 2: put this all in a formula, and the number one
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Speaker 2: quarterback in Ohio State history, far and away is J T. Barrett.
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Speaker 2: And Jack, I'm gonna take him behind the scenes. When
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Speaker 2: I sent you this and I told you what the
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Speaker 2: formula was, you said something to the effect of it
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Speaker 2: better not be j T. Barrett, and boom, j T Barrett.
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Speaker 3: Not just j T.
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Speaker 2: Barrett.
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Speaker 3: But JT is double like the average of second, third, fourth,
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Speaker 3: and fifth. I mean, he's out there by a mile,
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Speaker 3: and obviously we know when you look at the Ohio
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Speaker 3: State quarterback records, he's way out there in a way
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Speaker 3: that anybody who just watch him play one season would
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Speaker 3: never believe, right, But things add up over time, and
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Speaker 3: his stuff really added up.
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Speaker 2: It it did. It's remarkable, And I wonder if part
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Speaker 2: of his legacy has been downgraded because Ohio State won
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Speaker 2: a national championship without him. If he gets injured in
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Speaker 2: Ohio State either loses to Wisconsin or whatever, they don't
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Speaker 2: win at all. I think his status stays high. I
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Speaker 2: think the Clemson game exposed him in twenty sixteen because
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Speaker 2: I remember I remember covering that game and the media
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Speaker 2: availabilities leading up to that game with the Clemson defense.
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Speaker 2: They were very confident the Ohio State We're gonna be fine.
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Speaker 2: They don't they can't throw the ball. They're very like,
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Speaker 2: they can't do this, they can't do that. And Rey
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Speaker 2: were looking, I think it's Patrick Murphy bucknuts, and we're
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Speaker 2: just like, are you hearing this? And then we'd just
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Speaker 2: go run back and write the story of how these
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Speaker 2: Clemson Tigers are so cocky they're dismissing Ohio State in
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Speaker 2: this great offense lookout and boom one shut out. Later
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Speaker 2: and there was a whole new new era of the
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Speaker 2: Ryan Day era basically being installed. So I want to
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Speaker 2: reveal our top tens, and I guess let's start with ten.
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Speaker 2: We don't need to spend a whole bunch of time
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Speaker 2: on this, but I do want us to put ourselves
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Speaker 2: out there. Who's your number ten quarterback? On your top ten?
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Speaker 3: Okay, hang on, give me a second tone, I gotta
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Speaker 3: pull up. Yeah, I'll give you mine while you do that.
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Speaker 3: My number ten is Bobby Hoying, who was the quarterback
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Speaker 3: while I was at Ohio State and was the first
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Speaker 3: guy to throw for over three you know he was Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he was the first guy to froll for over three
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Speaker 3: thousand yards in the season and that was in ninety five,
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Speaker 3: which one of the great offenses in Ohio state history
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Speaker 3: with Eddie George and Terry Glenn and Ricky Dudley and
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Speaker 3: everybody knows that. But he's my number ten, and at
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Speaker 3: one point he may have been the number one long
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Speaker 3: time ago. Was fourteen years old watching watching Bobby Hoying
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Speaker 3: in that ninety five season, and to me, that was
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Speaker 3: just like the best quarterback in the country. And I thought,
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Speaker 3: you know, at the time, I didn't really know a
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Speaker 3: ton about a ton at fourteen years old, and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: this is the number one draft pick in the best
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Speaker 3: right Like to me, that's he had the size he
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Speaker 3: had at all. He was a great leader. And just
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Speaker 3: browsing briefly yesterday when I was trying to put together
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Speaker 3: this list, which was sure trying to parse, you know,
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Speaker 3: in a lot of these, i'd give the nod to
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Speaker 3: who did I like more, But Hoying was one of
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Speaker 3: the guys that I really like. He did not make
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Speaker 3: number ten for me. He didn't make the list, which
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Speaker 3: was tough. It was a wrestling match at number ten
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Speaker 3: between Hoying and Joey g and Joe. Jermaine makes it
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Speaker 3: for me at number ten, a guy that I also
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Speaker 3: liked a whole lot, and you know, Hoying being from Ohio,
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Speaker 3: I almost gave him the nine.
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Speaker 2: But with Joe, Joe's my number nine. And frankly, it's
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Speaker 2: because I think the ninety eight season was better than
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Speaker 2: the ninety five in terms of, well, you beat Michigan.
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Speaker 2: So that's what moved me up. So I have Jermaine
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Speaker 2: at nine. Who do you have a nine at nine?
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Speaker 3: I've got the greatest quarterback in Ohio State history, j T. Barrett.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we talk about his legacy, it is complicated.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I hate He's such the epitome of a
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Speaker 3: buck Eye, an out of state Buckeye, right, a guy
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Speaker 3: who comes in, buys in, embraces everything the program's about,
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Speaker 3: and then leads his teammates in a way that the coach,
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Speaker 3: who's a maniacal Ohio State guy, trusts him with everything.
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Speaker 3: And he did that to a t. And I think
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Speaker 3: time will have him be more appreciated. But when you
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Speaker 3: have a couple of years in your career where people
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Speaker 3: once you benched a lot of people, you know, it's
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Speaker 3: tough to come out of that and have a great legacy,
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Speaker 3: even though he does have. You know, he's a mass
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Speaker 3: a ton of great statistics, and a lot of people
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Speaker 3: would love to see him come back to Ohio State
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Speaker 3: now that he's a successful coach in some capacity. But
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Speaker 3: you know, I always remember him finally, despite some of
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Speaker 3: the frustrations.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've got him higher on my list and
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Speaker 2: we'll get there. But I understand it because when you
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Speaker 2: watched the quarterbacks that came after him, you see the
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Speaker 2: limitations that he had. And I can tell people go
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Speaker 2: back and watch the twenty sixteen Michigan game or any
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Speaker 2: any game from twenty sixteen and watch the difficulty and
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Speaker 2: throwing the ball and completing passes compared to what we
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Speaker 2: saw after those years, and you can see those limitations.
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Speaker 2: And I think that as I'll be interested to see
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Speaker 2: what the feedback is on you putting him at nine.
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Speaker 2: I think, boy, I don't know if people are going
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Speaker 2: to like it. Who My nine I gave you is
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Speaker 2: Jojo Maine. My eight is Treell Prior, and he was
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Speaker 2: fortunate that he got to play when Michigan was terrible
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Speaker 2: and he got to beat up on Michigan that way.
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Speaker 2: But he Also, as far as I remember because I
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Speaker 2: wrote about it, he was the first quarterback to ever
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Speaker 2: lead his team to three BCS Bowls in his first
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Speaker 2: three seasons as a quarterback. Like that was never done before.
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Speaker 2: He was never a first team All Big Ten guy,
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Speaker 2: which is also that's a little you fell short. He
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Speaker 2: fell short of that considering how many guys have been.
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Speaker 2: Todd Beckman was the first team All Big Ten quarterback. Oh,
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Speaker 2: come on, give you an idea he was. I know,
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Speaker 2: but what are we talking about here? We're talking about
10:26
Speaker 2: the same guys. They won't ever vote.
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Speaker 3: The Ohio state head coach the Big Ten coach of
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Speaker 3: the year.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, but are you to I think for me,
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Speaker 2: you watched Trel prior. It's like, imagine what else he
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Speaker 2: could do if he could just do it. But I've
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Speaker 2: got to, mate, who is your eighth.
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Speaker 3: I got do lo Dale at number eight, Cardell Jones
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Speaker 3: is the eighth best quarterback in Ohio state history to
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Speaker 3: me at eight the number of games he started eight
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Speaker 3: eight games as an Ohio State Buckeye starting quarterback eight
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Speaker 3: and oh the only Ohio State quarterback who started more
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Speaker 3: than five games and won them all undefeated. In those
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Speaker 3: eight games, and of course the run that he had
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Speaker 3: elevates him quite a bit here because anybody else having
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Speaker 3: just played eight games would never touch this list. But
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Speaker 3: you know, he came through when you absolutely needed it
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Speaker 3: most and created one of the best stories in Ohio
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Speaker 3: state history. And though the time was brief and the
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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen season didn't go the way we would have
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Speaker 3: wanted it to go, he'd definitely left an imprint.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have him on my list, but I
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Speaker 2: can appreciate that. It's not unlike the Rams quarterback the
11:36
Speaker 2: greatest show on turf. Name is slipping me right now,
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Speaker 2: but he could have been Hall of Famer just after
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Speaker 2: like four or five seasons of playing in that offense.
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Speaker 2: But I know he's gonna be on there for a
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Speaker 2: lot of guys based on the way he As you said,
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Speaker 2: he never lost the start, but he did lose his
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Speaker 2: job he did, So that's that's something that I have
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Speaker 2: difficulty with. But again, there's gonna be people who put
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Speaker 2: him under there. There are people who put Craig Crenszell
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Speaker 2: on this list.
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Speaker 3: I've seen krensil one on somebody's.
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Speaker 2: List recent Yeah, so I saw I saw that as well.
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Speaker 2: And it's I guess it's kind of like the music
12:12
Speaker 2: you grew up listening to is the best music. I know,
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Speaker 2: my the best music in the world is the stuff
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Speaker 2: that I grew up listening to and like in high
12:17
Speaker 2: school and college. Nothing is better, Nobody has any better
12:19
Speaker 2: taste than that. And I think it's the same way
12:21
Speaker 2: for some people with Craig Crenzel, because if that's if
12:24
Speaker 2: that twenty and two team was your forwative years, there's
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Speaker 2: nothing that could happen that would you know, remove him
12:31
Speaker 2: seven For me, and I'll be a strid in your
12:36
Speaker 2: thoughts on this is Will Howard because Will Howard did
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Speaker 2: everything that you needed in his one season. I don't
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Speaker 2: think anybody expected him to be nearly as good, but
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Speaker 2: he was everything the offense needed. He was everything the
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Speaker 2: team needed. He got better as the season went on,
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Speaker 2: and he was also pretty darn good right out of
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Speaker 2: the gate. I think he had eight games of eighty
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Speaker 2: percent completion percentage, which was that broke the career record
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Speaker 2: at Ohio State. So I think he's underrated in this
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Speaker 2: And I'm also in the process of trying to put
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Speaker 2: together like Ryan Day's all time best quarterbacks and he's
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Speaker 2: got a factor in somewhere, but I've got him at seven.
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Speaker 3: So when I judged Howard on this list, I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to think in my head here, let's pretend that this
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Speaker 3: is a guy who just was on the bench for
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Speaker 3: his freshman sophomore year and then his third year. He
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Speaker 3: started that one season and left Dwayne Haskins. Let's put
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Speaker 3: him in that same category and pretend like he wasn't
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Speaker 3: a guy that transferred in just for one year, because
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Speaker 3: to me, it almost makes me feel different when it's
13:43
Speaker 3: a guy who comes in one year and that doesn't
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Speaker 3: really you know, he's in a guy we followed through
13:47
Speaker 3: recruiting and up the pipelines the first time we've ever
13:50
Speaker 3: dealt with this, so to me, the legacy feels different.
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Speaker 3: So I had to kind of pinpoint and say, look,
13:56
Speaker 3: pretend he's been on the team now. Just look at
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Speaker 3: that season now and judge it. And when I did that,
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Speaker 3: I actually have him a spot higher. I have him
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Speaker 3: six Tony because I think that it was just an
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Speaker 3: unbelievable season and a guy that coming into that year
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Speaker 3: he improved so much from what he had been before,
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Speaker 3: and again that to me was maybe one of the
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Speaker 3: bigger things that we've ever seen that really shows how
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Speaker 3: good Ryan Day is with quarterbacks was the Will Howard
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Speaker 3: improvement from what he was, which was not an accurate passer,
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Speaker 3: to come into Ohio State and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: this dude is setting the record for the most eighty
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Speaker 3: percent completion percentage games in Ohio State history. And his
14:41
Speaker 3: deep ball improved. I mean, everything about him improved except
14:43
Speaker 3: for his running, which you know, unbelievably you did that piece.
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Speaker 3: I think he rushed for what two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 3: yards on the year, and that is something that I
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Speaker 3: thought we'd see a lot more of. We didn't need to.
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Speaker 3: It was just the right amount for the national champion,
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Speaker 3: Will Howard.
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Speaker 2: I can't fault that one. And when they did need
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Speaker 2: him to run in a couple of games, was it
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Speaker 2: Texas One of those games he ran, he he had
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Speaker 2: more carries than anybody else, like he had like sixteen
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Speaker 2: carries or whatever, And it's just it reminded me of
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Speaker 2: the JT. Barrett days of we're just gonna run him
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Speaker 2: and pick up as many first downs as we can
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Speaker 2: to just keep these chains moving, which then takes me
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Speaker 2: to my number five, which is JT.
15:23
Speaker 3: But I didn't get my seven in yet.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Okay, seven.
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Speaker 3: I got Braxton Miller at number seven. Oh wow, Braxton
15:33
Speaker 3: is number seven to me a guy that you know,
15:39
Speaker 3: I the way you look at Terrell Pryor. I don't know, man,
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Speaker 3: I just feel that I feel I'm missing something with
15:47
Speaker 3: prior or with with Braxton as a quarter Obviously love
15:51
Speaker 3: him as an athlete, but I got those two flopped
15:55
Speaker 3: in my mind, and this is where I fall on
15:58
Speaker 3: Brax as a quarterback. Obviously he did some great things
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Speaker 3: and was basically a one man band when he was
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Speaker 3: a freshman, but it was always just lacking a little
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Speaker 3: bit to me in the in the passing game and uh,
16:15
Speaker 3: you know, moving out to wide receiver a little earlier
16:18
Speaker 3: would have been awesome with a real quarterback.
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Speaker 2: He was my six. Yeah, so like he's my next
16:26
Speaker 2: quarterback on this list, and watching him as a freshman,
16:30
Speaker 2: you can see how row he was. I remember watching him.
16:33
Speaker 2: This would have been some sort of quarterback camp. I
16:36
Speaker 2: don't know if it was ESPN or or something there
16:39
Speaker 2: there was some long throw competition for the quarterbacks and
16:42
Speaker 2: like he thumbed it and helicoptered it, and I was like, well, that's, oh,
16:49
Speaker 2: that's a concern. But he was one of the guys
16:55
Speaker 2: that when you watched him at any like, you couldn't
16:58
Speaker 2: take your eyes off of him. And had nothing really
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Speaker 2: to do with the throwing. It's just everything else that
17:02
Speaker 2: he could do. And he was the perfect guy for
17:05
Speaker 2: urban Meyer in that offense, and it was fun to watch.
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Speaker 2: But yes, he also had his limitations. And you know,
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Speaker 2: you think about that twenty thirteen Michigan game, if he
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Speaker 2: just just a little bit missed devere Posey by a
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Speaker 2: little bit in that game. He was incredible, incredible to watch.
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Speaker 2: He's one of the guys that if we put a
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Speaker 2: top ten most incredible players to watch, he may be
17:26
Speaker 2: higher on this list. But yeah, he's my number six guy,
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Speaker 2: and uh and your six is Howard, So we'll go
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Speaker 2: to my number five guy, JT. Barrett, who if you
17:39
Speaker 2: just if he wouldn't have gotten hurt, he would be
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Speaker 2: like a top three or four rusher in Ohio state history,
17:47
Speaker 2: and by far the top passer. He already is the
17:50
Speaker 2: top passer in Ohio state history. I think he's got
17:53
Speaker 2: more like sixty more touchdowns than anybody else on this
17:58
Speaker 2: list in terms of accounted for, And yeah, that's the
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Speaker 2: long longevity of not good enough to go to the
18:06
Speaker 2: NFL can certainly really good enough to play college but
18:09
Speaker 2: not good enough to go early certainly helps you here
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Speaker 2: and amassing those numbers. He's my number five, and I
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Speaker 2: know he's not your.
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Speaker 3: Number five, So yeah, you know you bring up something
18:22
Speaker 3: interesting there tone that good enough to be a good
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Speaker 3: college football player not good enough to go to the league.
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Speaker 3: Now that we got this five for five coming in,
18:31
Speaker 3: we might see some more of that, which will help
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Speaker 3: Ohio State be even more veteran and have good guys
18:37
Speaker 3: that stick around. And I think that's gonna help out
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Speaker 3: quite a bit in some areas with certain specific guys.
18:43
Speaker 3: I don't know, you could probably pinpoint a couple of
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Speaker 3: guys and maybe that's another show that might not be
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Speaker 3: good enough to get that first top second round or
18:51
Speaker 3: what would J T.
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Speaker 2: Barrett command and say he was allowed to come back
18:55
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. Ohio State's probably not interested necessarily in
18:59
Speaker 2: bringing him back when they've got Dwayne Haskins waiting in
19:01
Speaker 2: the wings. But I do wonder J. T. Barrett's going
19:04
Speaker 2: to make more in college than he would have been
19:05
Speaker 2: the NFL, that's for sure.
19:06
Speaker 3: Without a doubt, without a doubt. With the gosh, man,
19:11
Speaker 3: it's hard. It's so hard for me, like you said,
19:15
Speaker 3: having seen the quarterbacks after him, and now to compare
19:20
Speaker 3: him throwing the ball to those guys like I, yeah,
19:22
Speaker 3: please leave, Like that's kind of how I I'd want
19:26
Speaker 3: to go with the younger guy, which I did in
19:28
Speaker 3: fact at certain times when he was the quarterback back then.
19:32
Speaker 3: But number five for me is TP. I am just
19:39
Speaker 3: forever fighting the TP war like this, this is my dog.
19:43
Speaker 3: I love this dude. I don't feel like there has
19:47
Speaker 3: been a guy that has been so underrated in the
19:50
Speaker 3: laws of Ohio State history by Ohio State fans ever
19:53
Speaker 3: than TP. He is the one guy that I always
19:56
Speaker 3: go extra hard to bat for because I feel like
19:59
Speaker 3: so many people have a sour taste in their mouth.
20:02
Speaker 3: And here's the crazy part, the sour taste in their
20:05
Speaker 3: mouth about how he left and about Tatgate and about Trestle,
20:09
Speaker 3: and these same folks will sit here and say, give
20:12
Speaker 3: us the winds back. That's not illegal anymore. That was nonsense. Now,
20:17
Speaker 3: I totally agree. You knew the rules, you put your
20:20
Speaker 3: team at risk. You did all that, and I'm all
20:22
Speaker 3: for everybody being punished over that, but I just feel
20:25
Speaker 3: like there's this stigma that people certainly had in that
20:28
Speaker 3: first five years after he left, and it's just kind
20:32
Speaker 3: of lingered. A lot of that is that he never
20:34
Speaker 3: comes back around, and he can. He's not banned, but
20:38
Speaker 3: he can come back around. He doesn't. He's not interested,
20:40
Speaker 3: he's not a public face, he's not out there like
20:42
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys talking, and just an unbelievable athlete,
20:48
Speaker 3: an unbelievable runner. I was just watching him yesterday as
20:51
Speaker 3: I was putting this together, like let me let me
20:53
Speaker 3: refresh on some TP his arm. You know, you got
20:56
Speaker 3: the balloon balls in there, and it wasn't great. Eight
21:00
Speaker 3: in in today's Ohio state passing game, it would be
21:04
Speaker 3: a disaster, but at the time, just a winner at
21:09
Speaker 3: the end of the game. I want the ball in
21:10
Speaker 3: that guy's hands, and I just felt so confident back
21:13
Speaker 3: then with the ball in his hands at the end
21:15
Speaker 3: of the game.
21:16
Speaker 2: You mentioned moving Braxton Miller to receiver. You know, you
21:20
Speaker 2: can have Jeremiah Smith and Terrell Pryor as your ear
21:23
Speaker 2: to receivers and he'd be pretty darn good. He Tom
21:29
Speaker 2: and I were just on with the Bill and Doug
21:31
Speaker 2: on there around the Shoe show, and one of the
21:33
Speaker 2: topics was will there ever be a Wemby in football?
21:38
Speaker 2: And I my point was there was his name is
21:40
Speaker 2: Trell Prior because back in high school he was, you know,
21:44
Speaker 2: six five sixty six, could do could play corner, could
21:47
Speaker 2: play safety, could play defensive end, quarterback, and nobody could
21:51
Speaker 2: touch him. He was lebron and Tony and that was
21:54
Speaker 2: another name that came up. It's like these guys, there
21:57
Speaker 2: are some freaks out there, but you can't get too
22:00
Speaker 2: big or too tall or to to you know whatever,
22:02
Speaker 2: because your tendons can't hang on to it. Your tendons
22:04
Speaker 2: can't hold up, as David Boston showed. But you know,
22:08
Speaker 2: Treill Pryor was another one who don't take your eyes
22:10
Speaker 2: off of him, and he was He was fun to watch.
22:13
Speaker 2: And about the tag gate stuff, I try to remind
22:17
Speaker 2: people you should love this guy because he took everything
22:22
Speaker 2: he knew and left he I'm sure he could have
22:27
Speaker 2: said more. He walked out the door and that was
22:30
Speaker 2: like he fell on sword and did Ohio state a
22:33
Speaker 2: solid there? In my opinion, So I agree.
22:36
Speaker 3: And I also want to say to your point about
22:38
Speaker 3: about Jeanette Pennsylvania Durell prior quarterback, watching him at the
22:43
Speaker 3: high school level, watching himt the college level, and then
22:46
Speaker 3: watching him dominate as a Cleveland Browns wide receiver. Also
22:51
Speaker 3: still has I think the record for the longest quarterback
22:54
Speaker 3: touchdown run for the Raiders. Like when you look at
22:58
Speaker 3: the totality of that, this is one of the great
23:00
Speaker 3: athletes of our time, point blank period.
23:04
Speaker 2: Yep, no, I would agree with that. My number four
23:09
Speaker 2: and we start getting into some of the running day quarterbacks.
23:11
Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins for just and the greatest season we'd ever
23:17
Speaker 2: seen from an Ohio State quarterback. And a lot of
23:20
Speaker 2: that was because there's also a bad defense and he
23:22
Speaker 2: had a ton of talented receivers and they sped the
23:25
Speaker 2: offense up he had. He got to play eighty snaps
23:28
Speaker 2: a game, which you give it, it was a lot
23:31
Speaker 2: of fun to watch, but also they needed all fifty
23:34
Speaker 2: of those points in order to get some of those wins.
23:36
Speaker 2: He is my number four quarterback.
23:39
Speaker 3: At number four for me, I have out of Maryland
23:42
Speaker 3: lifelong Buckeye fan Dwayne Haskins number seven, but number four
23:47
Speaker 3: in your heart and yeah, man, I was a big,
23:51
Speaker 3: big fan of Dwayne and I certainly love watching those offenses.
23:54
Speaker 3: That is one hell of an arm. That's a guy
23:57
Speaker 3: going to the NFL I thought was going to light
23:59
Speaker 3: the league on fire right off the rip, but rip,
24:03
Speaker 3: Dwayne haskins Man one of the all time grades.
24:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely definitely this my number three is a surprise to
24:11
Speaker 2: me as I was putting together this list, and I
24:13
Speaker 2: went with C. J. Stroud, who I think I have
24:17
Speaker 2: gone back and forth of having him number one based
24:20
Speaker 2: on the fact that he's the best passing quarterback I've
24:24
Speaker 2: ever seen at Ohio State. And I'm wondering if am
24:29
Speaker 2: I punishing him for not beating Michigan, But also there
24:33
Speaker 2: were some shenanigans going on there as well. Am I
24:37
Speaker 2: am I punishing him because You've got these NFL people
24:40
Speaker 2: now in my brain that are saying, well, you know,
24:42
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he can play. It's like, I'm
24:44
Speaker 2: pretty sure he can play. Just get him an offensive
24:46
Speaker 2: line and he'll be okay. But also going back and
24:52
Speaker 2: reliving some of the the two thousand and six season
24:55
Speaker 2: with Troy Smith's career, That's why I'm surprised. I what
25:00
Speaker 2: I'm surprised I have Troy Smith in my top two somewhere.
25:04
Speaker 2: I was not expecting to have him above CJ. Stroud,
25:08
Speaker 2: But after going through this and thinking about it, I
25:11
Speaker 2: have a Stroud at three.
25:14
Speaker 3: This is really interesting, Tony, as I also wrestled with
25:18
Speaker 3: these same exact thoughts. I also have CJ. Stroud at
25:21
Speaker 3: number three. Uh. CJ. Obviously he's got it all. And
25:27
Speaker 3: and when you when you get up to this level,
25:29
Speaker 3: it's not it's not so much for me about what
25:31
Speaker 3: you got, It's about where can I nitpick right? And
25:34
Speaker 3: and when I nitpick? I just feel like I can
25:37
Speaker 3: nitpick a little more on CJ. Including the likability factor. Man,
25:41
Speaker 3: I didn't like this dude. It's the olhoustink quarterback. He was,
25:45
Speaker 3: you know, not very in giddy jing. He was just
25:48
Speaker 3: saying that guy is a great quarterback. But it was
25:51
Speaker 3: hard to just get behind him as your guy, right.
25:54
Speaker 3: It just never felt that way to me, whereas the
25:57
Speaker 3: guys above him certainly did. In a lot most of
25:59
Speaker 3: these guys here was like that was my guy, But yeah,
26:02
Speaker 3: never really felt that way with Stroud. Watching him go
26:05
Speaker 3: ight the NFL on fire was fantastic. I don't know
26:09
Speaker 3: what's happened. Now. My son's been a Texans fan since
26:11
Speaker 3: he was a little kid. Don't ask me why. Tried
26:14
Speaker 3: to raise him a Browns fan. Wouldn't work. Pick the Texans.
26:17
Speaker 3: And then he gets Stroud, so we got Stroud stuff everywhere,
26:21
Speaker 3: and he keeps me up to date on him in
26:22
Speaker 3: his NFL career and all the comings and goings with
26:25
Speaker 3: with Houston Texans news. And I'm just amazed that this
26:29
Speaker 3: dude was so good and now all of a sudden
26:31
Speaker 3: it seems like everything's falling apart. But boy, how wrong
26:36
Speaker 3: I was about him when he was at Ohio State
26:38
Speaker 3: personality wise. Since when he's left, I thought, this guy's
26:42
Speaker 3: just kind of a crappy leader. And then really, when
26:46
Speaker 3: you see him now that you get more footage, you
26:48
Speaker 3: realize what kind of leader he is. Like the guy's
26:50
Speaker 3: in the bubble. They love him. I mean, he's great
26:53
Speaker 3: with them, and he's better on the outward style as
26:56
Speaker 3: well now too.
26:58
Speaker 2: And that Georgia game showed everything that he could do,
27:00
Speaker 2: and I think Georgia right, but and it's also I
27:05
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of why didn't you do more
27:07
Speaker 2: of that? And I remember telling people at the time,
27:10
Speaker 2: he doesn't need to run because he feels like he
27:12
Speaker 2: can just his arm is fine enough, and you know
27:14
Speaker 2: he just needs to find somebody open first seven eight
27:16
Speaker 2: yards and he trusts his arm more. But then you
27:18
Speaker 2: see a Georgia game, and maybe I dropped him to
27:21
Speaker 2: three because he made me look like an idiot, made
27:23
Speaker 2: me look like I was wrong. Maybe I'd taken this personally,
27:27
Speaker 2: But so number two for me, and I didn't not
27:32
Speaker 2: expect this as Troy Smith because when you just go
27:37
Speaker 2: and he's the only Heisman winner on this he is
27:41
Speaker 2: only him and Art Schleister are the only all Americans
27:45
Speaker 2: in that list of twenty two and as a as
27:51
Speaker 2: a I guess it would be a red shirt sophomore
27:53
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four when he started against Michigan
27:55
Speaker 2: two undred and forty one yards passing, two touchdowns, one
27:58
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five yards rushing touchdown and two thousand
28:01
Speaker 2: and five, that great comeback win two for three hundred yards,
28:05
Speaker 2: two thousand and six Game of the century one versus
28:07
Speaker 2: two four touchdowns passing you now in three hundred and
28:10
Speaker 2: sixteen yards and just fun to watch. But if if
28:17
Speaker 2: you've got a game against Michigan. There's one guy you're
28:19
Speaker 2: calling and it's Troyce Smith. So he's number two on
28:21
Speaker 2: my list.
28:23
Speaker 3: Royce Smith is number two on my list as well.
28:26
Speaker 3: Troy Smith. There's so much more that goes with Troy
28:31
Speaker 3: the you know, just I mean the story of him
28:35
Speaker 3: getting thrown out of Ignacious, going to Glennville, like the
28:38
Speaker 3: whole story and coming in and returning kicks, which I
28:43
Speaker 3: think you know most people if you pull it up
28:45
Speaker 3: right now, man, go to Troy Smith highlights. Colton Denning
28:48
Speaker 3: has one dubsco. You guys know Colton Denning. Guy's awesome
28:52
Speaker 3: and he's got loaded up all the Troy Smith kick
28:54
Speaker 3: returns in his ultimate highlight package. And it's just amazing
28:58
Speaker 3: watching that and thinking back, like, hey, this kid might
29:01
Speaker 3: be something. When we're watching him, everybody's talking about this
29:04
Speaker 3: new athlete, this young guy, and no, he turns out
29:08
Speaker 3: to be the number two quarterback on the official Tony,
29:12
Speaker 3: Gerdaman and Juck All Time Quarterback list, which is amazing.
29:17
Speaker 3: It's just an amazing story. It's amazing career arc and
29:20
Speaker 3: he intrests kind of cemented the dominance of that run
29:26
Speaker 3: and what it was going to be for years to
29:28
Speaker 3: come against against Michigan in the game, and it was
29:32
Speaker 3: just so he also felt to me always like a
29:35
Speaker 3: kid having fun. Is playing style and everything about it,
29:39
Speaker 3: like it kind of feels like the last Ohio State
29:43
Speaker 3: quarterback that felt like, man, that's a college kid. Everybody
29:47
Speaker 3: else after him has kind of felt more like this
29:49
Speaker 3: is a guy who's developing to be an NFL pro
29:52
Speaker 3: And Troy felt like a college kid having college fun,
29:56
Speaker 3: doing dumb college things. And that's just how he felt.
30:00
Speaker 3: And I love him. I think he's uh, he's the
30:02
Speaker 3: number two all time.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. Just go back and watch all of
30:07
Speaker 2: the highlights against Michigan and he he's one of those
30:12
Speaker 2: villains for Michigan the way Charles Woodson is for Ohio State.
30:16
Speaker 2: He is a rivalry villain. And when you're a rivalry villain,
30:19
Speaker 2: then you stand out. My Number one is Justin Fields,
30:22
Speaker 2: who I feel like it's just if you combine all
30:26
Speaker 2: of the best parts about all of the quarterbacks on
30:28
Speaker 2: this list, you create Justin Fields who can do all
30:32
Speaker 2: of it. And you know, he got short changed of
30:35
Speaker 2: a second game against Michigan. He only had the one
30:37
Speaker 2: and he was very good in that one. But to me,
30:41
Speaker 2: he's just the perfect combination of all of these guys.
30:45
Speaker 2: He can run like Trell, he can throw like Stroud,
30:47
Speaker 2: and he can lead and the toughness like he getting
30:52
Speaker 2: beat up against Clemson, keep coming, getting beat up against Michigan,
30:56
Speaker 2: comes out and throws a dime for a touchdown to
30:58
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson on the move. There's nothing not to like.
31:02
Speaker 2: And as a Bears fan, I couldn't have been happier
31:05
Speaker 2: when the Bears drafted him because I thought they were
31:07
Speaker 2: set for life now that they had him. But he's
31:10
Speaker 2: number one on my list. I'll be interested to find
31:11
Speaker 2: out who's number one on your list. Yeah.
31:15
Speaker 3: I also feel Justin Fields is the all time greatest
31:18
Speaker 3: Ohio state quarterback, which is I totally agree. I mean,
31:23
Speaker 3: he's got all of that and all of the best parts,
31:27
Speaker 3: and I just feel like, man, it's such a what
31:31
Speaker 3: could have been career to me when I look at it.
31:33
Speaker 3: Of course, you had the COVID in the twenty nineteen
31:37
Speaker 3: he gets robbed out of playing in a national champion
31:40
Speaker 3: So this guy could have played in two national championship games, really,
31:43
Speaker 3: and he never did. But when you look at every
31:46
Speaker 3: Ohio state national championship you plug him in on that
31:49
Speaker 3: team and they're gonna win the national championship that year
31:52
Speaker 3: as well, And just pretty much had it all for
31:56
Speaker 3: a college quarterback. And boy, my, with you going to
31:59
Speaker 3: the NFL, well, I thought, without a doubt, we finally
32:03
Speaker 3: got one, right, we finally got one in the league.
32:05
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like to me. And I'm still
32:08
Speaker 3: surprised that it's just not still not clicking, not picking
32:12
Speaker 3: up for them, but quarterback play at the NFL levels
32:15
Speaker 3: witchcraft to me. So I don't try to figure it
32:17
Speaker 3: out anymore.
32:18
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32:50
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32:54
Speaker 2: And moving to the present day, I want to ask
32:57
Speaker 2: you where if this, if this is Julian says, last
33:02
Speaker 2: season at Ohio State, and I'm I'm not convinced it's
33:08
Speaker 2: his last season in college. But if this is his
33:11
Speaker 2: last season at Ohio State, where do you think he
33:14
Speaker 2: ends up in your top ten list? Is he gonna
33:16
Speaker 2: end up in there? Oh?
33:18
Speaker 1: So?
33:18
Speaker 2: Depends on what he does against Michigan.
33:20
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, No, Even if he loses, he'll be one
33:23
Speaker 3: in one. He'll have gotten a win, played really good
33:26
Speaker 3: in that win that included Ryan Day said the best
33:30
Speaker 3: play of the day was his scramble and I'm looking
33:35
Speaker 3: forward to that this year. I think that's going to
33:37
Speaker 3: be part of the game. I think it's coming and
33:39
Speaker 3: I think he can do it. But an interesting year
33:42
Speaker 3: last year when we look at Julian saying, now, not
33:44
Speaker 3: everybody was big in on him coming in to start
33:48
Speaker 3: the year. A lot of people, not a lot, but
33:51
Speaker 3: some people would have preferred to see a little more
33:53
Speaker 3: link in, a little more of a bigger athlete and
33:55
Speaker 3: kind of doubt him because of his size. This is
33:57
Speaker 3: a guy I always thought just had a different kind
33:59
Speaker 3: of special to him with his arm. His arm talent
34:02
Speaker 3: is just a little silly, and I think everybody's kind
34:06
Speaker 3: of started coming around on that and like, wow, man,
34:09
Speaker 3: this guy's just a little different. And then you get
34:11
Speaker 3: to the end of the season and it almost kind
34:14
Speaker 3: of kind of changes. A lot of people kind of
34:16
Speaker 3: falling back off of him, and I think we just
34:20
Speaker 3: saw some youth and some inexperience. But when we remember
34:24
Speaker 3: that guy when he was playing at his peak and
34:26
Speaker 3: put that in another year in a season with Tony
34:31
Speaker 3: gets so many opportunities right on the biggest stages with
34:34
Speaker 3: bitcoin games, like he's got opportunities to make an imprint
34:39
Speaker 3: that'll put you up high on a type of list
34:41
Speaker 3: like this, and that is a lot of it. Those
34:43
Speaker 3: opportunities in big time games he's got, And I think
34:48
Speaker 3: he is a dude that is poised to break Will
34:51
Speaker 3: Howard's eighty percent completion game percent game record for sure,
34:57
Speaker 3: and I hope they take full advantage of him. But
35:00
Speaker 3: I think that let's say they go to the playoffs
35:04
Speaker 3: and win one or two games and he kind of
35:06
Speaker 3: duplicates last year but a little better. I think he's
35:10
Speaker 3: squarely and then he's over cart Ll for sure.
35:14
Speaker 2: On mine.
35:14
Speaker 3: That's eight, right, So yeah, definitely he can. He can
35:20
Speaker 3: move up this list quite a bit. I think he
35:22
Speaker 3: might be able to overtake Will Howard depending on how
35:25
Speaker 3: far they get. Gosh, but I know about TP.
35:30
Speaker 2: I thought I would just say he can't get into
35:32
Speaker 2: your top five of Prior, Haskins, Stroud, Smith and Fields.
35:36
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like the way you talk about tryl
35:37
Speaker 2: prior to get into this top five. Now we can
35:40
Speaker 2: explore that. Why will it take? Yeah, because one of
35:44
Speaker 2: the questions is one of the things in my mind
35:46
Speaker 2: is how high can he get? Say he wins a
35:50
Speaker 2: national they win a national championship, and let's not forget
35:53
Speaker 2: if they beat Indiana last year, pretty decent they went
35:56
Speaker 2: into that game, the winner wins the Heisman. So how
36:00
Speaker 2: was his recher freshman season Julian sand versus Fernando Mendoza.
36:04
Speaker 2: If he plays like that again, he's gonna have that attention,
36:07
Speaker 2: He's going to have that hype. If they win the
36:09
Speaker 2: national championship, then the only other quarterback on that list
36:14
Speaker 2: is you know, Cardell Jones and Will Howard. So certainly
36:17
Speaker 2: he's got to go ahead of those guys. But I mean,
36:22
Speaker 2: he's done what Troy Smith couldn't do. He's done what
36:25
Speaker 2: Justin Fields couldn't do. But you and Justin Field's only
36:30
Speaker 2: started for two years. He's number one, so clearly that's
36:33
Speaker 2: that's enough.
36:34
Speaker 3: If he wins a national championship, I think, like thinking
36:38
Speaker 3: about that now and looking at these names, it feels
36:42
Speaker 3: really odd to me to say like he would be
36:44
Speaker 3: with these guys. But that's because we haven't experienced a
36:49
Speaker 3: whole other season of him winning and putting up those numbers,
36:52
Speaker 3: and the duration of him being the Ohio state quarterback grows,
36:57
Speaker 3: and it's gonna feel weird thinking about that right now.
37:00
Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right. I mean, if he goes on
37:04
Speaker 3: to win a national championship, I mean I think it's
37:09
Speaker 3: automatically at least third on my list, and then I
37:13
Speaker 3: would have to review further from there.
37:17
Speaker 2: And you know, if you look at the original the
37:20
Speaker 2: quarterback rankings of the time and change quarterback index, if
37:23
Speaker 2: they win a national championship, he probably moves I don't know,
37:26
Speaker 2: maybe the seven head of Art Schleister.
37:31
Speaker 3: Sweeter.
37:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's going to be in my top
37:38
Speaker 2: ten as well. And frankly probably, you know, depending I'm
37:45
Speaker 2: going to have him around five or six and maybe
37:48
Speaker 2: splitting somewhere between j T. Bartt and Braxton Miller. But
37:52
Speaker 2: you know, he's certainly a higher level thrower than those
37:56
Speaker 2: guys by a mile. And then you get into, well,
37:58
Speaker 2: is he better than Dwayne Haskins as a thrower, because
38:00
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you're judging him by. And I
38:03
Speaker 2: guess we'll just see on how the things go because
38:06
Speaker 2: the winning also matters as a quarterback. Do you think
38:12
Speaker 2: let's get let's get into the future aspect of this,
38:14
Speaker 2: because this is also just a little bit.
38:16
Speaker 3: One more tony about about Julian saying, yeah, this dude
38:21
Speaker 3: in the Haskins offense, ooh right, like it might already
38:26
Speaker 3: be like he's higher up on our list, like by
38:30
Speaker 3: he's on this list already.
38:33
Speaker 2: H and he's gotten the benefit of having Jeremiah Smith
38:36
Speaker 2: and and Carnell Tay. But if you give him eighty
38:41
Speaker 2: plays instead of you know, sixty five, man, yeah he's
38:45
Speaker 2: because that twenty eighteen team, like Dwayne Haskins didn't run
38:49
Speaker 2: the ball much. He ran a little bit against Maryland
38:51
Speaker 2: when they had to, but up tempo like I'd love
38:55
Speaker 2: to see it. And this offense this season, being more
38:59
Speaker 2: short pass I think you're going to see that the
39:02
Speaker 2: completion percentage could go up. Now the downfield passing when
39:06
Speaker 2: you don't have Carnell means it's probably going to go
39:08
Speaker 2: down a little bit. But man, that would be interesting
39:11
Speaker 2: to see. Just yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go.
39:14
Speaker 2: Let's speed it up. Let's speed it up. And that's
39:16
Speaker 2: something that he's not been able to do. I do
39:18
Speaker 2: think they can run more up, you know, more tempo
39:20
Speaker 2: this year because he is more experienced and he can
39:23
Speaker 2: handle that and he can check, you know, make the
39:26
Speaker 2: checks at the line. He does does know the offense.
39:28
Speaker 3: I think he could have a lot more than they
39:29
Speaker 3: allowed him to last year, Tony. But uh, I'm with
39:33
Speaker 3: you also, and I do believe that we're going to
39:35
Speaker 3: see some of that up tempo mixed in and uh
39:37
Speaker 3: And I think that's great that they they're going to
39:40
Speaker 3: pick that up. I know you do too like that.
39:41
Speaker 3: That would be Yeah, as a weapon, never limit yourself.
39:46
Speaker 2: Where do you think ta V and Saint Clair when
39:49
Speaker 2: he's it's all said and done, because we haven't seen
39:52
Speaker 2: him play and we've you know, but his potential is
39:55
Speaker 2: up there with anybody. His potential is up there with
39:57
Speaker 2: Justin Field. Yeah, if he just gets that opportunity and
40:02
Speaker 2: he gets you know, one or two seasons as a starter,
40:04
Speaker 2: because who knows if he's the twenty twenty seven quarterback.
40:08
Speaker 2: Situation could be either very easy or very very difficulty,
40:13
Speaker 2: depending on what happens with Julian saying, but if you
40:17
Speaker 2: give him two seasons as a starter, just based on
40:20
Speaker 2: his potential and his ability is physical ability, and you
40:24
Speaker 2: assume the weapons around him, I would expect him to further,
40:28
Speaker 2: you know, continue this path into the top ten of
40:30
Speaker 2: Ryan Day's quarterbacks.
40:32
Speaker 3: You know, number one great thing that he doesn't have
40:36
Speaker 3: to do what Julian did and start year two. See
40:39
Speaker 3: he ain't ready, and it's really you know, it's pretty
40:43
Speaker 3: glaring that he's just not there yet. But you still
40:46
Speaker 3: also see everything that makes him the top three quarterback
40:51
Speaker 3: in the country coming out of high school. And obviously
40:53
Speaker 3: the the size is he's just a massive, massive kid.
40:57
Speaker 3: The intelligence, I mean's bright as hell and clearly a
41:01
Speaker 3: hard worker, already savvy, media trained, like the dude is
41:06
Speaker 3: next level in every box you could check. Got the
41:09
Speaker 3: arm strength for downfield. He's got it all. He can move.
41:12
Speaker 3: Not a super athlete, but a really good athlete. And
41:16
Speaker 3: he's just got everything, including the system and the coach
41:19
Speaker 3: that believes in him to excel at the highest degree
41:22
Speaker 3: you can as a quarterback at Ohio State. And if
41:25
Speaker 3: he gets two years, I don't see anyway he doesn't
41:28
Speaker 3: make it on this list. There's some accuracy issues. That's
41:34
Speaker 3: really the only knock you could say about him, intermediate
41:36
Speaker 3: accuracy at this point, and we'll see that get better.
41:40
Speaker 3: But boy, that long ball. You chicks dig the long ball.
41:45
Speaker 2: Well. And you mentioned the media aspect. I mean he's
41:47
Speaker 2: been around the Ohio State media since he was a
41:49
Speaker 2: sophomore in high school. This is this is all he's
41:52
Speaker 2: ever known, basically as a football player, So that I
41:55
Speaker 2: don't think is going to be an issue for him
41:58
Speaker 2: moving to the future.
42:00
Speaker 3: Hold on about the furture, do you if we if
42:05
Speaker 3: you were to predict now just Julian saying come back
42:10
Speaker 3: and if he does, what happens.
42:14
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a whole new show. This
42:18
Speaker 2: is this is But I feel like from the people
42:22
Speaker 2: that I've talked to and they don't view Julian Saying's
42:26
Speaker 2: height and six oneness as as a thing that isn't
42:30
Speaker 2: going to keep him in college football. But he could
42:35
Speaker 2: absolutely make more in college football I think next year
42:40
Speaker 2: than he would as say, even like the twenty seventh
42:43
Speaker 2: pick in the first round or if he's Tye Simpson.
42:45
Speaker 2: There's there's that ability to do that because you can
42:51
Speaker 2: make four, five, six million, who knows what the numbers
42:53
Speaker 2: are going to be next year. But also if you
42:56
Speaker 2: are a first round pick, you're going to get that
42:58
Speaker 2: fifth year. So do you want to get that clock
42:59
Speaker 2: going so that you can get that second contract sooner?
43:02
Speaker 2: So those are all things that will have to be weighed.
43:06
Speaker 2: I assume the plan is to leave after this year,
43:09
Speaker 2: but I also know if from talking to people, if
43:12
Speaker 2: it doesn't make financial sense, then it will you know,
43:17
Speaker 2: then it may not happen. And if it doesn't happen,
43:20
Speaker 2: do you take say one more year of Julian saying
43:23
Speaker 2: and have the understanding or the assumption that you're not
43:27
Speaker 2: going to get any years of Tavian Saint Claire at
43:29
Speaker 2: that point? I don't know, unless they win a national championship,
43:33
Speaker 2: Like if they fall short of a national championship with
43:35
Speaker 2: Julian saying, do you bring him back knowing well, I
43:39
Speaker 2: guess we've kind of reached the peak and now we've
43:41
Speaker 2: also lost Jeremiah Smith. Do you want don't you want
43:45
Speaker 2: to find out what Tavian Saint Claire can do?
43:46
Speaker 3: At that point, Tony, we have had some divisive issues
43:50
Speaker 3: in the Ohio state sphere. If Julian Saying comes back,
43:56
Speaker 3: what does the team do? And no matter what they do,
44:00
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be split right down the middle, the
44:02
Speaker 3: people who how could you possibly let that hometown kid
44:06
Speaker 3: walk for this guy who had two opportunities two years,
44:10
Speaker 3: didn't win your national championship, crumbled in the in the
44:13
Speaker 3: biggest games, assuming that's what happens, or obviously if he
44:17
Speaker 3: wins a national championship, everybody's yeah, hell yeah, come back right.
44:19
Speaker 3: But if that doesn't happen, I mean, it is gonna
44:23
Speaker 3: be the biggest debate we've ever seen. It's gonna be
44:26
Speaker 3: h It's gonna be good for us here at time
44:28
Speaker 3: and change and now on the bucket insiders for sure.
44:31
Speaker 3: But I don't know what you would do. I don't
44:35
Speaker 3: know what you would do. It would be a poorspe.
44:36
Speaker 3: I mean it would be a good spot, but it
44:38
Speaker 3: would be a terrible spot. If you're Ryan Day, I
44:40
Speaker 3: think you know you got a good option either way.
44:42
Speaker 3: Do you go with what's proven, but we would assume
44:45
Speaker 3: has some limitations if he's not leaving and or do
44:49
Speaker 3: you go with the kid with the sky high ceiling that?
44:53
Speaker 3: But I mean, but you're right when you look a
44:54
Speaker 3: last last transfer portal, Brendan sores By and the dudes
45:00
Speaker 3: were making five million bucks. Darian Mensa made close to
45:03
Speaker 3: five million bucks, Julian saying coming out this year into
45:06
Speaker 3: the transfer portal would have been one of those guys.
45:09
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh for sure, multiple millions. Yeah, yeah. I
45:13
Speaker 2: Also if if Ohio State says, Julian, we want you back,
45:18
Speaker 2: does that also tell you everything you need to know
45:20
Speaker 2: about where things are with Tavian Saint Clair in terms
45:23
Speaker 2: of they the way they view their development network. This
45:26
Speaker 2: is all speculation, This is nothing that anybody's heard concerning
45:30
Speaker 2: any concerns. But it's like if Ohio State was like, normally,
45:34
Speaker 2: if you're a first rounder, they'll say go enjoy you know,
45:37
Speaker 2: start your career. But if they're like, we'd love to
45:39
Speaker 2: have you back, doesn't that signal their feelings that Tavian
45:44
Speaker 2: isn't quite ready or it would be a significant step down.
45:47
Speaker 2: And then if they do bring him back, and the
45:49
Speaker 2: third game of the season in twenty twenty seven is
45:51
Speaker 2: Alabama and the Shoe. If Alabama beats Ohio State with
45:56
Speaker 2: Julian Sanan as the Ohio State quarterback, you're gonna have
45:58
Speaker 2: people Ohio State fan saying Alabama to take him back,
46:01
Speaker 2: take him back with you when you leave town, takes
46:03
Speaker 2: Julian sand back with you. We don't want to break
46:07
Speaker 2: call Tony. That's why you're the best. They're absolutely right,
46:09
Speaker 2: that's the talking point if that happens, for sure, So
46:13
Speaker 2: for sure save that show. That's that's neither here nor there,
46:19
Speaker 2: which is also the name of a probably a good
46:21
Speaker 2: Ohio State podcast. But let's move to the future, and
46:25
Speaker 2: there are some interesting movements going on in the future
46:29
Speaker 2: of the Ohio State quarterback position. Brady Edmonds getting ready
46:33
Speaker 2: to take an official visit to UCLA. Do you just
46:38
Speaker 2: talk about it, because.
46:39
Speaker 3: To this a lot. To this number one, Ohio State
46:45
Speaker 3: clearly does not value Brady Edmunds in a way that
46:52
Speaker 3: I don't believe that ever, since Champmon's committed to Notre
46:55
Speaker 3: Dame that they have cared one way or the other
46:59
Speaker 3: what happens with Brady. They've made it very public that
47:01
Speaker 3: they are on this pursuit for what people are calling
47:04
Speaker 3: a second quarterback. And I've said from the beginning, this
47:07
Speaker 3: won't be a two quarterback class. It's going to be Brady,
47:10
Speaker 3: Edmunds or somebody else because Brady doesn't want a second quarterback.
47:14
Speaker 3: Brady was okay with that being Champmons because he was
47:17
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty eight guy they were in on, had
47:20
Speaker 3: a relationship with, and he understood, all right, got it
47:24
Speaker 3: doesn't understand it isn't never was going to accept them
47:28
Speaker 3: barnstorming the country looking for someone else because the numbers
47:32
Speaker 3: don't make it so that you need that. It's the
47:34
Speaker 3: same numbers last year, this year. You know, it's all
47:37
Speaker 3: the same. So what they've done here has made it
47:40
Speaker 3: clear that they don't value him in the way that
47:43
Speaker 3: they once did. And the only thing I can think of, Tony,
47:46
Speaker 3: is they now want to make sure that moving forward,
47:49
Speaker 3: they're bringing in guys who they can now implement the
47:52
Speaker 3: quarterback run game. Brady can't do that, but everything else, man,
47:57
Speaker 3: it's on points. So that's the only thing I think
48:00
Speaker 3: of it. I also think that Brady would never have
48:02
Speaker 3: taken those visits in the spring to UCLA if they
48:05
Speaker 3: hadn't have done this. And I don't think that he
48:07
Speaker 3: would be taking this official if the writing wasn't pretty
48:10
Speaker 3: clear on the wall. And I don't think he ends
48:11
Speaker 3: up in the class anymore. And that's okay. I don't
48:15
Speaker 3: like the way it was handled. I would have rather
48:16
Speaker 3: than just cut him loose and gone after and had
48:20
Speaker 3: a better shot at getting one of these guys without
48:22
Speaker 3: a guy committed.
48:25
Speaker 2: It feels to me like there's no harm in signing
48:28
Speaker 2: somebody that you don't expect to start anymore if you
48:32
Speaker 2: can't find somebody. With the quarterback situation as it is now,
48:37
Speaker 2: the quarterback recruiting aspect of a high school recruiting is. Boy,
48:41
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, a tenth as important as it
48:44
Speaker 2: used to be back you know, ten twenty thirty years ago.
48:47
Speaker 2: I mean there was a time when Oklahoma with Lincoln
48:49
Speaker 2: Riley as the OC and Bob Stoops, where they didn't
48:51
Speaker 2: even have a quarterback that they recruited start for like
48:55
Speaker 2: eight years. And Ohio State and Ryan Days, what six
48:58
Speaker 2: or seven years they've had a quarter that they've recruited
49:00
Speaker 2: start three of those years with Justin Fields I'm sorry,
49:04
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud twice, calm Accord once. And so the
49:08
Speaker 2: idea that you need to get somebody, you need to
49:11
Speaker 2: land somebody every year, or you need to land a
49:13
Speaker 2: star every other year because you know you can't necessarily
49:15
Speaker 2: pile them up, I don't think exists anymore. I think
49:18
Speaker 2: tav In Saint Clair was the perfect storm in terms
49:21
Speaker 2: of he's an hour away, he's a state and state kid,
49:25
Speaker 2: he's ready to he's okay being patient. Yeah, you take
49:28
Speaker 2: that guy all day long. The thing is they had
49:31
Speaker 2: two of those guys in the state and they you know,
49:32
Speaker 2: you can't with Brian Montgomery. You got to decide which
49:35
Speaker 2: one you want. And I think now, like I don't
49:39
Speaker 2: know that they ever expect Luke Fahie to start, but
49:41
Speaker 2: you need bodies, you need quarterbacks in the class, and
49:43
Speaker 2: we saw him in the spring. He can throw the ball.
49:46
Speaker 2: He's not very tall, but he can rip it. And
49:49
Speaker 2: so you find some quality that these quarterbacks have where
49:52
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we can build on this if something
49:54
Speaker 2: happens and we need to go with this guy. That
49:57
Speaker 2: can happen. But Ultimately, if you strike out in high
50:01
Speaker 2: school recruiting, Ohio State is Ohio State. Ryan Day is
50:05
Speaker 2: Ryan Day. There's going to be quarterbacks out there in
50:07
Speaker 2: the portal who will jump into the portal to play
50:10
Speaker 2: for Ohio State. So there's always going to be an
50:13
Speaker 2: opportunity to grab a veteran guy. So if they don't,
50:19
Speaker 2: they aren't end up are able to flip Trey Taylor
50:23
Speaker 2: at this point commit from Nebraska. Do you think that's
50:25
Speaker 2: the possibility. Do you think they're going to be able
50:27
Speaker 2: to do that, because Trey Taylor, from what I've seen,
50:29
Speaker 2: has said, as long as Nebraska doesn't give me a
50:31
Speaker 2: reason to go anywhere, I'm not going anywhere.
50:33
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, his dad continually brings up Ohio State.
50:39
Speaker 3: Two times in the last week and a half. He
50:41
Speaker 3: has been doing an interview and discussing things, and himself
50:46
Speaker 3: brought up Ohio State, not other schools, but specifically Ohio State.
50:51
Speaker 3: The last one was just the day before the Elite
50:54
Speaker 3: eleven and he just brings up out of the blue
50:57
Speaker 3: in a quote. I got to call Billy Fessler back.
51:00
Speaker 3: He called me three times like what is this, dude,
51:03
Speaker 3: where's this coming from? Clearly something. I mean, there's obviously,
51:06
Speaker 3: but he's almost making it sound like Ohio State's chasing
51:09
Speaker 3: and we don't want him. I think that, And he
51:13
Speaker 3: did clearly say that. Trace made it clear from the
51:15
Speaker 3: beginning that we're not interested in going, but this guy
51:18
Speaker 3: sounds like Derek mccorr by the way. We're not interested
51:21
Speaker 3: in going somewhere that has a two quarterback class. So
51:24
Speaker 3: we've made that clear from the beginning. And you know
51:27
Speaker 3: another reason why if you don't want to go with Brady,
51:30
Speaker 3: if you're not locked in, let him go and go
51:32
Speaker 3: try to get somebody else, because your odds are going
51:35
Speaker 3: to go up to do that. With Brady taking this official,
51:38
Speaker 3: I think that is the writing on the wall that
51:40
Speaker 3: that's on its way out, and that does potentially open
51:44
Speaker 3: the door here, I think for trade Taylor. But boy,
51:46
Speaker 3: from everything I've seen of this dad, it doesn't feel
51:49
Speaker 3: like an Ohio State fit to me. But he's a
51:51
Speaker 3: hell of a player.
51:53
Speaker 2: Well, And because as you're talking about this, I'm thinking,
51:56
Speaker 2: is is this another David Sanders situation in terms of
51:59
Speaker 2: using Ohio State to drive up your price and knowing
52:03
Speaker 2: that that Nebraska is paid pretty I have to leave
52:06
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks in the past with Dylan Roola, and maybe
52:10
Speaker 2: they want something similar to that or also, I think
52:12
Speaker 2: it's absolutely fair to keep your options open as a
52:16
Speaker 2: quarterback in football because you've as a high schooler or
52:20
Speaker 2: even as a college guy, you've got a ton of options,
52:22
Speaker 2: and if you don't weigh them all, you're kind of
52:24
Speaker 2: doing yourself into service. So I wouldn't be surprised if
52:28
Speaker 2: Trey's like, I'm going to focus on Nebraska. Everybody else
52:31
Speaker 2: go ahead and see what's out there, but I'm going
52:33
Speaker 2: to be locked in here. I do agree though, that
52:36
Speaker 2: if they really want to make their best pitch for
52:39
Speaker 2: Trey Taylor, then there can't be another quarterback in the
52:43
Speaker 2: in the class that they view that he views as
52:46
Speaker 2: being in a way like I'm not going to be
52:48
Speaker 2: part of a two quarterback class. So Ohio State at
52:51
Speaker 2: this point trying to have it both ways, and the
52:56
Speaker 2: likelihood is that they're gonna have it no ways because
52:59
Speaker 2: Trey Taylor's maybe more likely to stay in Nebraska, Brady
53:02
Speaker 2: Edmunds more likely to go to UCLA. But again, like
53:06
Speaker 2: I said, do you then just go get another three
53:09
Speaker 2: star or did you figure out we'll just make up
53:12
Speaker 2: for in the portal and go from there. But I
53:16
Speaker 2: think Brady Edmunds is expected to be at camps at
53:19
Speaker 2: Ohio State next week at some point. If you're going
53:24
Speaker 2: to cut him loose, do you do you bring him
53:27
Speaker 2: all this way to then cut him loose after another
53:30
Speaker 2: visit where you know, that seems kind of like lame.
53:36
Speaker 3: A lot of it's felt lame, Tony. I'll tell you
53:38
Speaker 3: what really felt lame was Billy Fessler goes and visits
53:41
Speaker 3: Brady like the last day that he's out traveling, and
53:45
Speaker 3: on that very day takes it as an opportunity to
53:48
Speaker 3: also go visit Dane Weber, one of his competitors in
53:52
Speaker 3: the Elite eleven. That felt really lame to me. A
53:54
Speaker 3: lot of it's felt pretty lame on their part, to
53:56
Speaker 3: be honest, And I'll admit I really like Brady. I
54:00
Speaker 3: love the story. I'm a Buckeyes fan first and foremost,
54:03
Speaker 3: and that kid's story and how much he has wanted
54:05
Speaker 3: this for his whole life is something that really resonates
54:09
Speaker 3: with me and tons of Ohio State fans, and not
54:11
Speaker 3: just that, the way he's conducted himself since he's been
54:13
Speaker 3: committed spearheading the class I mean, he's everything you want,
54:17
Speaker 3: except he can't. He can't run, and he can't you
54:21
Speaker 3: can't use him for that. So if they have adjusted
54:24
Speaker 3: what they want to do in the offense, if if
54:26
Speaker 3: I'm right about that, and that's what the reason is
54:28
Speaker 3: behind this, totally understand the way they've gone about it
54:32
Speaker 3: has been pretty late. The way this UCLA official popped
54:35
Speaker 3: up out of the blue really quick. I wouldn't be
54:37
Speaker 3: surprised if that visit uh to to Ohio State doesn't happen.
54:41
Speaker 3: And this this moves relatively quickly.
54:45
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Bob Chesney, you say that, Yeah, I
54:49
Speaker 2: like that guy, and I'm not a recruit, so and
54:53
Speaker 2: this could this, I mean, it wouldn't be shocking if
54:56
Speaker 2: he can lock that up saying that we want you here.
54:58
Speaker 2: We're not looking for anybody else, you know, So that
55:01
Speaker 2: is interesting anything else. And I saw I saw in
55:05
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight and Neeman Lawrence he's going to
55:08
Speaker 2: be announcing here in the not too distant future, Ohio
55:11
Speaker 2: State not in that group. I really liked him when
55:14
Speaker 2: I saw last spring of him. But he again he's
55:16
Speaker 2: maybe six foot as well. When is is Ohio State
55:21
Speaker 2: never going to sign another five star guy.
55:25
Speaker 3: So they are right now. I would say the odds
55:28
Speaker 3: on favorite if you were to say today for Chris Bargas,
55:31
Speaker 3: who is a five star in that class. But again,
55:35
Speaker 3: in just recently reviewing his film and what we what
55:41
Speaker 3: I'm thinking what they want out of a quarterback now,
55:43
Speaker 3: I honestly he feels a lot like not a very
55:46
Speaker 3: mobile guy. I mean it certainly doesn't. It doesn't show
55:49
Speaker 3: up on his film that he's a fast twitch kind
55:52
Speaker 3: of runner of the football, like like Israel Abrams and
55:57
Speaker 3: a couple of these guys that they would love to
55:58
Speaker 3: have in this class Trey Taylor are. But he is
56:01
Speaker 3: certainly a big time thrower the football in a five
56:04
Speaker 3: star at this point. But then you also get gun shy,
56:06
Speaker 3: right because at this time in Brady's cycle, he was
56:10
Speaker 3: a top three quarterback in the class. So you know,
56:13
Speaker 3: who's to say. What I do just constantly fall back
56:16
Speaker 3: on is they just kind of giggle about this anymore
56:18
Speaker 3: when it comes to quarterback recruiting, because, like you said,
56:21
Speaker 3: if the market, if there's fourteen schools that need a
56:26
Speaker 3: veteran quarterback, fifteen will show up in the portal. It's
56:30
Speaker 3: just the way this quarterback transfer portal market works. You're
56:33
Speaker 3: gonna pay, but it's gonna be there. It's not like
56:35
Speaker 3: offensive line where you're like, we can't bind anybody, there's
56:38
Speaker 3: nobody to get. It's not like that at quarterback now.
56:42
Speaker 2: And I would also say I don't have a problem
56:44
Speaker 2: with paying for a high school quarterback recruits as much
56:47
Speaker 2: as I do, as we both agree, don't pay for
56:49
Speaker 2: the five star offensive tackles. And as I always say,
56:53
Speaker 2: even Paris Johnson only started at left tackle one year
56:56
Speaker 2: for the Buckeyes. So that's just consider that Danever, I
57:00
Speaker 2: was talking with somebody out west on it works at
57:03
Speaker 2: another school, and they love him, like his ability to move.
57:06
Speaker 2: He's a leader. But again he's six foot five to
57:10
Speaker 2: eleven something like that, not the biggest guy, but he
57:13
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