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Killer Thriller: The One Reason Why She Was Kidnapped In Her Own Home · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your
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Speaker 1: host Elisa Donovan.
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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller.
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Speaker 2: What if the danger wasn't outside your home, but already
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Speaker 2: inside it. That's the setup behind kidnapped in her own home,
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Speaker 2: the Martha Corelli story. It's a story that starts with
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Speaker 2: something almost unthinkable, a fugitive hiding in your house, waiting
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Speaker 2: for the moment to take control. From there, it turns
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Speaker 2: into a psychological game of survival, one where every decision matters,
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Speaker 2: every move could be your last, and the only way
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Speaker 2: out is to outthink the person holding you captive. Today
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Speaker 2: we're joined by the film's director, Tracy Hayes, and Tyler Perez,
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Speaker 2: who plays the man at the center of it all.
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Speaker 1: Tracy and Tyler, Welcome to Killer Thriller.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us excited to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for spending this time with
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Speaker 2: me today. I want to say straight up, Tyler, I'm
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Speaker 2: a huge fan of Abbot Elementary, but I also we
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Speaker 2: should let people know this is quite a departure from that.
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Speaker 4: Very different very They're on opposite sides of the spectrum for.
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Speaker 2: Sure, yes, So this movie, let's just quickly so this
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Speaker 2: is not based on one specific true crime case, but
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Speaker 2: it is based on a true crime story. So let's
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Speaker 2: just talk a little bit about the plot of the movie.
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Speaker 2: Martha Corelli leads a quiet life. She's married played by
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Speaker 2: Santa Katik, and her life is shattered when this escaped
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Speaker 2: convict comes into her home and takes her hostage. Essentially,
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Speaker 2: do you guys want to tell any more about the
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Speaker 2: plot quickly?
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Speaker 1: For people that don't might not know it.
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Speaker 4: I'll let Tracy to take that away. She's the expert
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Speaker 4: on that for sure. This is her baby.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Marther Curley story. It is based on
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Speaker 3: actual real life events that happened in the seventies. And
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Speaker 3: Anne Rule, who is a true crime novelist, is a
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Speaker 3: New York Times bestselling author, and she's her her and
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Speaker 3: her own right is a fascinating story. But in terms
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Speaker 3: of Martha Corelli, you know that we tried to stay
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Speaker 3: true to the characters as much as possible within the
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Speaker 3: reasons of obviously creative liberties that we took because it
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Speaker 3: doesn't take place in the seventies, but it's very much
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Speaker 3: a survival story and what I appreciated about just the
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Speaker 3: story and the script was that it wasn't about a
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Speaker 3: damsel in distress who didn't have a point of view,
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Speaker 3: and it wasn't painting the character that Tyler plays very
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Speaker 3: much as a one dimensional character.
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Speaker 2: Firstly, this idea that somebody could be, you know, hiding
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Speaker 2: in your home without you knowing is probably one of
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Speaker 2: the most terrifying nightmares that anybody could imagine. So was
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Speaker 2: that a part of what you really wanted to lean
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Speaker 2: into directorially in the beginning that people had that true
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Speaker 2: sense because you very much feel that as a as
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Speaker 2: a viewer, it's chilling.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear you say that. I'm just getting
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Speaker 3: the feedback. It's just so delightful to hear. When I
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Speaker 3: read the script for the first time. I finished the scripts,
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Speaker 3: got up and locked my front door. That's true. I
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Speaker 3: actually did that. And I live in a quiet neighborhood
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Speaker 3: where everything is seemingly great. I have great neighbors, I
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Speaker 3: go for walks, I know everybody. And after I finished
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Speaker 3: that scripts, I was really unsettled because we actually, I
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Speaker 3: actually my neighbors were actually robbed next door, and it
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Speaker 3: was just, you know, no one was heart It was,
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Speaker 3: but it just kind of cheat. It definitely got me
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Speaker 3: thinking about how your life is going one way and
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Speaker 3: you feel safe and you've made this little, beautiful home
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Speaker 3: and this beautiful family, and so I just the fact
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Speaker 3: that you brought up like, yes, it is this kind
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Speaker 3: of this is a very big fear, right we we
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Speaker 3: the that is real that happened very close, too close
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Speaker 3: to home, and so I I was definitely intentional about
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Speaker 3: how we don't really see like when the surprise of
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Speaker 3: h uh of Tyler's character being in the like when
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Speaker 3: we discover him in the film. Obviously that's that's no
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Speaker 3: spoiler alert, it's in the trailer, but how that whole
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Speaker 3: circumstance goes around in the idea of being personally violated
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Speaker 3: in that way, just like in terms of being in
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Speaker 3: your own space and your comfort and your home. So
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Speaker 3: as for me, I approached it very much from a
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Speaker 3: place of mmm, we are with Martha's perspective, and I
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Speaker 3: it was very much a slow burn and and at
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Speaker 3: the pace of the film, while it is a very
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Speaker 3: very tight ride, I wanted there to be moments that
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Speaker 3: really kind of gave you goosebumps and how you lean
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Speaker 3: in and that was done through like slow pushions and
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Speaker 3: more moody lighting. Yes, a lot of the film takes
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Speaker 3: place at night, so we are really intentional about lighting
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Speaker 3: with practical lights, so like in the home it would
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Speaker 3: be lamps or at certain scenes we were using fluorescent
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Speaker 3: lights or moonlight, so we were really that was an
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Speaker 3: intentional thing like that.
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Speaker 2: I really appreciated that because I know, you know, I
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Speaker 2: know how hard it is to make these movies sometimes
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Speaker 2: and you don't always have a plethora of time and
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Speaker 2: resources and all those sorts of things. So it really
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Speaker 2: is very it feels very intentional and very well crafted.
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Speaker 1: So I really appreciated that.
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Speaker 2: And Tyler, so you're playing the person in control of
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Speaker 2: the situation, but it's it's both psychological and physical. And
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Speaker 2: how did you like, how did you approach you know,
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Speaker 2: how did you think about your character needing to be
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Speaker 2: both menacing and sympathetic.
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Speaker 4: That was actually what drew me to this project in
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Speaker 4: this role for sure, was that, you know, I think,
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Speaker 4: like we were talking about a second ago, is that
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Speaker 4: it's easy for it to feel like this kind of
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Speaker 4: a story can become a one dimensional thing, even like
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Speaker 4: what you're saying about being in control. It's it's it
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Speaker 4: kind of swaps. It's kind of a dance throughout the
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Speaker 4: whole movie between between Michael and Martha where it seems
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Speaker 4: like he's in control because he's got the gun and
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Speaker 4: he's got you know, the physical, you know, menacing presence,
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Speaker 4: but you know, intellectually a lot of times Martha kind
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Speaker 4: of takes over that control. But it drew me to
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Speaker 4: it because this wasn't it's easy. I think it's easy
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Speaker 4: for this character to fall into the trap or trope
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Speaker 4: of this evil person who is just awful guy and
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Speaker 4: deserves the worst punishments imaginable, you know. And the way
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Speaker 4: it's read and the way that you know, working with
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Speaker 4: it with Tracy, and the way that like I kind
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Speaker 4: of approached it was was, you know, this is a
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Speaker 4: guy who, you know, he's been in the system since
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Speaker 4: a very young image. He's never really had proper role models,
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Speaker 4: He's never had been really shown love by from anybody.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why it's really fascinating to me in particular,
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Speaker 2: because it really does reveal how when somebody comes into
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Speaker 2: this life at a deficit, like he just didn't have
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Speaker 2: the same kind of support systems and all of that,
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Speaker 2: and I ironically just yesterday visited San Quentin and was
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Speaker 2: given a tour of that prison and it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other podcast episode.
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Speaker 2: I won't go too far into it, but I was
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Speaker 2: given a tour that our tour guides were for incarcerated
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Speaker 2: men and all we had very long conversations and they
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Speaker 2: told us our stories, and you know, essentially they came
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Speaker 2: into this without that's all they knew. They didn't have
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Speaker 2: any any support, and it really is. It speaks so
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Speaker 2: much to wanting love. Like all of these we cover
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Speaker 2: a lot of wild and crazy cases on this podcast,
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Speaker 2: and you could kind of distill it all back down
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Speaker 2: to a lack of belonging of community and needing love
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Speaker 2: or not having any resources. So I think the movie
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Speaker 2: really does a nice job of bringing that to the surface.
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Speaker 1: Was that intentional, I'm sure once on your part.
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Speaker 5: Tracy, Yeah, I was.
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Speaker 3: I felt like I knew Martha when I read it,
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Speaker 3: and I don't mean like just in a very deep
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Speaker 3: way as a woman, but I was really curious about
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Speaker 3: my like the character of Michael and the because I
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Speaker 3: had so much empathy for this character, and the more
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Speaker 3: I started to dive in I listened to a lot
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Speaker 3: of true a lot of just like I read some
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Speaker 3: books and I'm trying to remember the name of this.
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Speaker 3: There was a couple books that I was reading about
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Speaker 3: sort of the young specifically under twenty year olds that
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Speaker 3: went through the system that were basically children that were
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Speaker 3: miners when they committed the crime, and they're they're part
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Speaker 3: of the system and they're now being tried as adults.
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Speaker 3: And there was there's laws that have now changed in
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Speaker 3: our country where if they were try as a miner,
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Speaker 3: now they you know, and they now they can go
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Speaker 3: back and have a retrial, and just kind of breaking
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Speaker 3: down all those these young kids' stories. It all came
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Speaker 3: down to a choice and a decision, and I was
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Speaker 3: just like left shattered and so like deeply affected by
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Speaker 3: their stories. And I think I shared some of that
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Speaker 3: with Tyler, and so that was very much much intentional
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Speaker 3: in terms of empathizing. And it gets to a certain
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Speaker 3: point and I won't give it away in the film
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Speaker 3: where you where you see that side of his character
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Speaker 3: because he is a kid. He's this big kid who
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Speaker 3: hasn't had a role model, and so I like telling
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Speaker 3: those stories. It's like not the black and the white,
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Speaker 3: but the gray. And as a filmmaker, those are stories
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Speaker 3: that I'm really drawn to telling, and this particular character
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Speaker 3: really struggle with that in his life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does really become kind of a battle of
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Speaker 2: the minds, like not just survival, but Martha's strategy to
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Speaker 2: establish a personal relationship with the captor was that one
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Speaker 2: of the most interesting part.
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Speaker 1: And are do you know that was that real? Is
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Speaker 1: that accurate?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean in the she talks about in the
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Speaker 3: actual case about how like she thought that what he
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Speaker 3: had maybe mental disorder, but yet they were able to
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Speaker 3: they were able to connect through the process. So that
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Speaker 3: was some of that was part of the story. But
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Speaker 3: then Tyler, I mean, some of that was just like
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Speaker 3: what you and Stana kind of found through working together.
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Speaker 4: In the original the true story. It's really fascinating that
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Speaker 4: this this guy, the real Michael Anderson, he had every
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Speaker 4: opportunity and almost every reason too, for lack of better terms,
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Speaker 4: dispose of Martha, and he doesn't, you know, And now
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Speaker 4: I found very interesting as well diving into that because again,
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Speaker 4: when I was playing this character, I wanted to you know,
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Speaker 4: I put obviously my spin on it and my understanding
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Speaker 4: of it but I wanted to all so honor the
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Speaker 4: true story as much as I could. And that fascinated
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Speaker 4: me when I read the Actual and Rules you know
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Speaker 4: book on it, and I was very fascinated, like what
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Speaker 4: made him you know, what was it that made him
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Speaker 4: show that kind of an empathy in that kind of.
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Speaker 2: A control right, because he certainly he beats her, I
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Speaker 2: mean he physically injures her, and he watches them have sex,
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Speaker 2: like all of these things that are so deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 2: And then the balance of him also you can you
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Speaker 2: can see that, you know, he wants some kind of
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Speaker 2: like love or understanding her.
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Speaker 4: I think Martha is the first, one of the first
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Speaker 4: that leads people who shows him some level of compassion
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Speaker 4: despite what he's done to her, Like it's like an
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Speaker 4: unconditional compassion that I think that is the first seed
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Speaker 4: and that is a way in which Martha starts to
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Speaker 4: take control. She plants that seed of because she shows
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Speaker 4: that kind of a compassion. And I think it's just
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Speaker 4: like Michael's like what, I'm not used He's not used
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Speaker 4: to that, you know, despite what there.
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Speaker 3: Was there was a part in the film where his
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Speaker 3: character goes, you know, he asks Martha how to cook.
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Speaker 3: She asked how he wants to cook? State the state cooked,
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Speaker 3: and he's like, well, how do you like it? And
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Speaker 3: that was that was one hundred percent true. That really happened,
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Speaker 3: and that scene really yeah. When I read it in
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Speaker 3: the script, I was like so fascinated that this man,
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Speaker 3: that this you know, that that was the level of
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Speaker 3: just like where he was at in the world in
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Speaker 3: terms of just not knowing. I think the book describes
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Speaker 3: him as like very jumpy, but he wasn't but he
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Speaker 3: was not sure of what to do next, Like that
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Speaker 3: was how she describes him. He was like this trigger
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Speaker 3: I mean trigger, I mean he was just like a
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Speaker 3: bully at times, and like then he was kidding with
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Speaker 3: It was so interesting, like how he just makes fun
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Speaker 3: of the circumstance and then he's like this big kid
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Speaker 3: who just doesn't know how to be around adults. It's
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Speaker 3: so it was just interesting.
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Speaker 2: Right right the We've seen these cases where you know,
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Speaker 2: victims do survive by staying calm and thinking strategically, and
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Speaker 2: this here it really feels like one much to your point,
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Speaker 2: like one wrong move could change everything, and so that
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Speaker 2: it sounds like that was a really conscious choice also
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Speaker 2: in the in the direction, yes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how close they got to each other. There's
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Speaker 3: one scene and I won't spoil it, one of my
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Speaker 3: favorite scenes in the whole scripts where Martha takes her
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Speaker 3: power back, and I'll leave it at that, and that
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Speaker 3: that scenes specifically, I for sure thought that was going
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Speaker 3: to be the end of the movie and it wasn't,
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Speaker 3: and it just continued. And so it was just like
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Speaker 3: an incredible memorable scene between the two of them, and
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Speaker 3: they and there was just the physicality of what they
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Speaker 3: did and allowed each other trust each other enough to
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't want to keep a screating
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Speaker 3: around the exactly say what happens in that scene, but
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Speaker 3: it just that particular scene really to me captured their
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Speaker 3: you know, just the expectation of like he could like
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Speaker 3: you would think that was the end, and right he
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Speaker 3: actually perhaps was like surprise and maybe turned on. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's so Tyler just kind of went there, you know,
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Speaker 3: like there was some definitely dark, twisted you can look
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Speaker 3: at that sort of uncomfortable moments and he just leaned
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Speaker 3: in and they had a lot of trust.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, how did Tyler, how does it feel being
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Speaker 2: the bad guy? But also on the receiving end of
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Speaker 2: so much kindness from the hostage, like that's.
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Speaker 4: It's it's definitely it was definitely one of the most
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Speaker 4: difficult roles I played to date because of how kind
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Speaker 4: of dark his past is and kind of how intense
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Speaker 4: the scenes could get and how abusive he could be
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Speaker 4: at times. And yeah, so it was definitely definitely an
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Speaker 4: interesting experience, especially because right before filming that I had
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Speaker 4: done an episode of Abbot sound like this golden retriever,
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Speaker 4: like super happy, positive guy, and then it was like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: get in the closet.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think it's important to tell these kinds
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Speaker 2: of stories, you know, these kinds of true crime stories
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Speaker 2: with women being victimized in particular. But why do you
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Speaker 2: think it's important to tell these stories?
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Speaker 3: You know, I've always grown up love I love mysteries
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Speaker 3: like Nancy Drew ham Jansen. Oh my gosh, that's like
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Speaker 3: middle school, like first readers. I'm dyslexic, and those are
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Speaker 3: the first things I read and I loved. I loved
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Speaker 3: the mystery of like trying to figure out like ultimately,
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Speaker 3: you know, how this this circuit, this terrible circumstance was
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Speaker 3: gonna like end and like, ultimately I think that sort
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Speaker 3: of led me to true crime and the films that
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Speaker 3: I like. I love dramatic stuff. I love you know,
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Speaker 3: Prisoners was a massive Gone Girl was that. Those were
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Speaker 3: two really big influences for me on this film. And
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Speaker 3: I think I think it's important for me anyway with
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Speaker 3: the story to show it's not one sided the story. Yes,
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Speaker 3: you know, Martha is the one who's being you know,
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Speaker 3: is the victim in the story. But I but it wasn't.
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Speaker 3: It was showing me about her resilience and like celebrating
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Speaker 3: her journey in a way that like so that other people,
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Speaker 3: you know, can just understand, like hopefully no one's ever
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Speaker 3: in that circumstance. But just to like to be able
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Speaker 3: to have something on on I was gonna say, film print,
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's I wish, not thirty five, but
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Speaker 3: to have something just to show, to show an audience
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Speaker 3: like what this person went through and her resilience and
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Speaker 3: you know, the sort of I just you know, obviously
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Speaker 3: there's the entertainment factor of it, right of just like
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Speaker 3: being like drawn on this journey with these characters. But
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Speaker 3: I think when it comes to true crime, it's like
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Speaker 3: understanding that these are real people that this really happened to,
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Speaker 3: and it just feels so unbelievable. The only way you
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Speaker 3: could believe that it was like could have ever happened
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Speaker 3: was because it was based on true events and our
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Speaker 3: world is crazy. But I think the silver lining of
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Speaker 3: it all is what gives I want, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: to be able to walk away with and know that
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Speaker 3: there's a future for Martha.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is why I wanted to do this
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Speaker 2: podcast in the first place, is that we are all
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Speaker 2: very fascinated by true crime, and I am fascinated from
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Speaker 2: the human aspect of it, you know, like how do
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Speaker 2: we get from A to Z? How do you go
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Speaker 2: from you know, the average guy who is just functioning
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Speaker 2: in the world to becoming a serial killer or doing
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Speaker 2: you know, like there is a reason these are all
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Speaker 2: human beings that you know, and extreme mental illness aside,
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Speaker 2: you know, how do we get to these places?
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Speaker 1: And how do people recover?
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Speaker 4: You know, that's what I think, you know, to explore
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Speaker 4: the psychology of it, you know, I think for people
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Speaker 4: to know, you know, kind of what could cause these
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Speaker 4: things and maybe how to avoid it or maybe do
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Speaker 4: in that kind of a situation, you know what I mean, Like,
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Speaker 4: I don't know God like likes Tracy said, God forbid
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Speaker 4: anyone ends up in these circumstances. But as we see
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Speaker 4: with true crime stories, that's the true and true crime story. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 4: these things, you know, happen, right, I'm very fascinated by
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Speaker 4: the psychology of those things.
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Speaker 2: After working on this, did it change the way you
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Speaker 2: think about safety or your everyday routines at all?
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Speaker 1: And know, Tracy, you said you lacked your friend me.
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Speaker 3: For me, it changed I think what I was really
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Speaker 3: fascinated by. I had no idea about the juvenile system
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Speaker 3: and how they were read tried as adults. So I
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Speaker 3: learned a lot about that process. And I found myself
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Speaker 3: really questioning what how our system works? You like, I
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Speaker 3: know it's not perfect, far from perfect. Yeah, there's many
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Speaker 3: issues that need to be fixed. And I and it
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Speaker 3: just it's every case is so specific and you can't
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Speaker 3: it's not one size fits all. And I was really
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Speaker 3: fascinated and learned a lot about just that, specifically juveniles
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Speaker 3: and how they were treated and the psychology of it
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Speaker 3: grown their brain not being fully developed, and how do
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Speaker 3: we handle these cases? And so I left having a
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Speaker 3: deeper understanding and appreciation for just wanting, you know, for
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Speaker 3: those people to have second chances. You know, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: you know, taking a life is something you know, no
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Speaker 3: one ever like, that's never something that's okay. But then
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Speaker 3: you start to unpack all the circumstances around certain things,
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Speaker 3: and people are getting tried because of racials, discrimination or
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Speaker 3: because they weren't even pulling the trigger. They happened to
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Speaker 3: be there, so that there's all these circumstances that were
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Speaker 3: really I walked away just going wow, like this is
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Speaker 3: really complicated, right, Life is really yeah, right, life is
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Speaker 3: really fragile, very fragile.
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Speaker 1: What about you, Tyler?
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Speaker 4: During filming, I definitely was. I told Tracy this is actually.
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Speaker 4: There was a couple of nights that I was sleeping
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Speaker 4: and I like, I woke up and I could have
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Speaker 4: sworn I had heard somebody like trying to get in
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Speaker 4: through my back, and I like, it felt so so real,
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Speaker 4: and I remember laying in bed and thinking what do
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Speaker 4: I do right now? There was one night that it
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Speaker 4: was like it felt very real, even to the point
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Speaker 4: I think my mind was playing tricks on me because
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Speaker 4: of the circumstances and everything and I'm diving deep into
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Speaker 4: this world or whatever. But I could have sworn I
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Speaker 4: had seen a shadow like across the door. It was open,
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Speaker 4: and I was like, somebody's in my house right now.
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Speaker 4: And I literally was in bed, and I was like,
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Speaker 4: do I pretend to keep sleeping? Oh, I get up
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Speaker 4: and rush the door right now? Like what do I do?
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Speaker 4: I ultimately chose rushing and saw no one was there,
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Speaker 4: and I was like whoa, And it really messed me up.
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Speaker 4: This is probably like halfway through filming, and I went
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Speaker 4: back to sleep and then woke up and went to
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Speaker 4: set and then and it was it was definitely massive
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Speaker 4: with me at the time. But I mean in my
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Speaker 4: day to day, I you know, I lived like smacked
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Speaker 4: out in the middle of West Hollywood, which is pretty
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Speaker 4: pretty chill, you know, but lately there's been some weird
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Speaker 4: things going on, and so you know, my fiance is here,
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Speaker 4: and like, I want to make sure that she's beagter,
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Speaker 4: so we keep our doors locked all the time. We're
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Speaker 4: constantly text you know. So it definitely has made me
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Speaker 4: a little bit more you know, conscious of that. But
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Speaker 4: to Tracy's point, has also made me more aware of
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Speaker 4: these kind like I saw a video the other day
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Speaker 4: on Instagram and it was this guy hearing his sentence
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Speaker 4: and it was a life without parole sentence, for I
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Speaker 4: think it was for a murder charge, and as soon
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Speaker 4: as he hears it, he immediately breaks down in tears
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Speaker 4: and just he can't even stand he's crying. And all
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Speaker 4: the comments were very you know, play stupid games, win
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Speaker 4: stupid prizes. And I agree with that to a point,
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, there's a certain level of like,
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Speaker 4: at what point do we give forgiveness, mercy and a
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Speaker 4: second chance. You know, this guy's whole life, he was
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Speaker 4: a young man twenty maybe twenty two, I don't know,
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Speaker 4: and his whole life just shattered in front of his eyes.
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Speaker 4: He's going to spend the rest of his life behind
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Speaker 4: bars with no chance of rehabilitation at all, you know.
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Speaker 4: And so I think before this film, maybe I would
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Speaker 4: have been like with these people in the comments and
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Speaker 4: being like, well, you know, you killed somebody and you
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Speaker 4: need to pay the price for it. And I do
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Speaker 4: agree with that to a point. At the same time,
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Speaker 4: I think there's a conversation to be had about second chances,
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Speaker 4: about rehabilitation and things like that, you know, I actually
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Speaker 4: was able to connect with this in a way because
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Speaker 4: when I was sixteen, unfortunately, I did go into the
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Speaker 4: juvenile detention system for a fistfight that I got into,
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Speaker 4: and it was a whole thing. I won't get into that,
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Speaker 4: but I experienced firsthand what that looks like. And there
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Speaker 4: was a guy in there was a guy who was
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Speaker 4: in this system with me that I had met, that
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Speaker 4: he was charged. I mean, this is his words. We
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Speaker 4: have to, you know, have to take it with gran self.
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Speaker 4: But I believed every word he told me. He was
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Speaker 4: charged for something. He took the fall for something his
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Speaker 4: uncle had done. Basically, he was driving his uncle's car
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Speaker 4: and his uncle had stuff in the car. He took
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Speaker 4: the fall for it. But he was in there, stuck
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Speaker 4: in a limbo because none of his family or anybody
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Speaker 4: came to his trials, and so the judge kept pushing
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Speaker 4: it back two weeks, pushing it back two weeks. So
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Speaker 4: he was in there without a conviction yet just being held.
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Speaker 4: And he was like at that point, just like I,
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Speaker 4: He's like, I don't I just put me in adult County.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be in now anymore. Like just
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Speaker 4: put me in, like just give me my conviction so
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Speaker 4: I can get it done and get out of here,
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Speaker 4: because they're just keeping me in this limbo. And this
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Speaker 4: was in Florida, and I just think there's certain things
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Speaker 4: in the systems that it needs. It needs fixing, it
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Speaker 4: needs a better system because it's these people's lives are
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Speaker 4: being you know, destroyed, and it breaks my heart.
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Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more.
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Speaker 2: And it's so fresh for me because, as I said
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Speaker 2: just yesterday's when you hear people speak about their life
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Speaker 2: experience and you humanize them, and that is what we
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Speaker 2: have to do more of, is humanize these people and
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Speaker 2: their experience. And yes, everyone needs to understand and have
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Speaker 2: repercussions in all of those things, but I think we
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Speaker 2: could do a little better with the humanizing side of things.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 2: So when you guys step back, what do you think
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Speaker 2: is the most unsettling part of this story?
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Speaker 4: The fact that this stuff happens, the fact that the
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Speaker 4: fact that it's based on a true story, and the
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Speaker 4: fact that you know the fact that it's it has
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Speaker 4: happened and unfortunately may happen again. You know, I think
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Speaker 4: that's what's unsettling, and that we don't know, like I think,
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Speaker 4: what's really the most unsettling about this, which reminds me
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Speaker 4: of this old Hitchcock film Shadow of a Doubt, is
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Speaker 4: that we are here. We see in this film it
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Speaker 4: begins with this picturesque kind of perfect suburban family that
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Speaker 4: is happy and safe and protected and loving. There's so
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Speaker 4: much love in the family, and one day it all
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Speaker 4: just changes, and then how that the family is affected
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Speaker 4: forever after that.
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Speaker 3: I think the most unsettling thing that was in the script,
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Speaker 3: I mean, and also in the book was when Martha
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Speaker 3: Corelli asked Michael Anderson, she said, why why did you
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Speaker 3: pick my house? Why did you pick my house six
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Speaker 3: blocks in the prison? And he says to her because
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Speaker 3: your garage door was open. That is true, And that
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Speaker 3: to me was just like the most mind blowing, circumstantial,
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Speaker 3: complete random when you hear these random acts of violence
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Speaker 3: of people getting stabbed on trains for no apparent reason.
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Speaker 3: There's no connection, right, you always want to find a
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Speaker 3: reason o x or oh, there's always a motive, And
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Speaker 3: it's like when those circumstances like that in life, in
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Speaker 3: a story like this or other like that's to me,
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Speaker 3: what's the most unsettling is like it was just happenstance.
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Speaker 2: I you, that is definitely one of the most, if
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Speaker 2: not the most unsettling part of it to me as well.
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Speaker 2: And before you guys, before we started this interview, my
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Speaker 2: producers and I were chatting and one of them said,
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Speaker 2: this is the most disturbing part that he when he
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Speaker 2: had when she asks him why, it's because her garage
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Speaker 2: door was online.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
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Speaker 1: Literally just said the same thing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, two weeks ago in my neighborhood, some a woman
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Speaker 4: was shot on her balcony and they still don't know,
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Speaker 4: they haven't found the suspect and don't know what it
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Speaker 4: could have been tied to at all. They're still trying
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Speaker 4: to figure it out. And it's super unsettling because that's
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Speaker 4: down the street from my house. It's where I get
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Speaker 4: my water, my little Primo water drugs, Oh my god,
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Speaker 4: and it's just like whoa, that's the most unsettling part.
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Speaker 4: It's like it's one thing. It's like, oh, it's an altercation.
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Speaker 4: Oh it was like a jealous axe or whatever it was.
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Speaker 4: But this was like completely unacted. So the whole community
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Speaker 4: right now is still kind of like whoa.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just the wrong. It's the wrong place
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Speaker 3: at the wrong time, and like, I don't, you know,
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Speaker 3: we want it. We want as a human nature to
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Speaker 3: like want to have a reason and we want to
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Speaker 3: be able to put in a box and go, oh,
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Speaker 3: this makes sense. And I think the curiosity way back
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Speaker 3: is just to like why you started this podcast to
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Speaker 3: be in with and like the sort of like we
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Speaker 3: the human nature and the curiosity of wanting to know
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Speaker 3: because it just feels like there needs to be an
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Speaker 3: answer and sometimes there isn't, And I don't what's fascinating
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Speaker 3: beyond like you know Anne Rule who wrote this book,
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Speaker 3: her whole life story, and like she befriends, like she
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Speaker 3: befriended Ted Bundy, like they were work partners and that
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Speaker 3: is real and she didn't know and they became it
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Speaker 3: was just so it's just really fascinating to me. It's
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Speaker 3: like how that individual can be friends with a woman
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Speaker 3: and then go home and do the things he did
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Speaker 3: and it just yeah, yeah, it makes me glad I
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Speaker 3: have a partner to look out for me too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, Tracy and Tyler, thank you so much for this.
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Speaker 2: This has been really fascinating to me, and I could
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Speaker 2: talk for a couple more hours, but they're telling me
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Speaker 2: that we shouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Kidnapped in her own home.
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Speaker 2: The Martha Corelli story is streaming on Lifetime, and Tracy said,
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Speaker 2: you said it's somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Else as well. Wherever you got your vo d amazing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, best of luck with it. Thank you so much,
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Speaker 2: thank you,