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Ep. 10 - 'Soul on Fire': John O'Leary on Faith, Miracles & the Movie Bringing His Story to Life · Fulfilled with Rebecca Sheehan

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Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Fulfilled.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Rebecca Sheehan.
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SPEAKER_00: Today, we've got a very special guest.
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SPEAKER_00: John O'Leary is author of the number one national bestselling book,
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SPEAKER_00: On Fire,
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SPEAKER_00: host of the Live Inspired podcast.
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And he's an inspirational speaker who's shared his message with
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millions of people
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SPEAKER_00: in 49 states and dozens of countries.
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SPEAKER_00: And now he's executive producer of the feature film,
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SPEAKER_00: Soul on Fire,
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SPEAKER_00: which is about his journey and comes out in October.
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SPEAKER_00: So what makes so many people gravitate towards John?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you'll soon find out in our conversation.
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But first and foremost,
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by all accounts,
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statistics,
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science,
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he's not supposed to be here.
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When John was nine years old,
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he was in a fire and 100% of his body was burned.
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SPEAKER_00: Zero chance that he'd make it.
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SPEAKER_00: But incredibly, here he is.
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And instead of trying to shove such a horrific experience to
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the far recesses of
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SPEAKER_00: his mind,
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SPEAKER_00: he's constantly sharing his story,
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SPEAKER_00: inspiring people to not only make the most of their lives,
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SPEAKER_00: but to find and deepen their relationship with Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: So without further ado, John O'Leary, welcome to Fulfilled.
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SPEAKER_00: Rebecca, what a joy, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting here wondering who you're going to bring on,
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SPEAKER_01: listening to this brag sheet,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm humbled that you just put the camera on me.
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SPEAKER_01: So the folks who know me,
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SPEAKER_01: we'll start here,
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SPEAKER_01: who really know me are not impressed by me,
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SPEAKER_01: but they are so impressed that God has used...
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these ordinary folks around me to lift up a little boy with no
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chance at life and a
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SPEAKER_01: man who's struggles with confidence and support from time to time and,
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SPEAKER_01: and allow that story to get out there in a mighty way.
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SPEAKER_01: So what makes this thing worthy is not the one sharing it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the one who authored it.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm looking forward to walking with you on this podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I love how you just exude that Christian humility.
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SPEAKER_01: I looked in the mirror today like I know me.
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SPEAKER_01: I know me physically.
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SPEAKER_01: I know my sins.
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SPEAKER_01: I know my my broken nature.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you really know yourself, how could you be arrogant?
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SPEAKER_01: And if you really know God, how could you not be filled with joy?
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SPEAKER_01: And so I exude joy for what he's done on me.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've alluded to the beginning of your story,
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SPEAKER_00: but if you can just kind of take us back to when you were a boy,
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SPEAKER_00: what happened the day of your accident,
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SPEAKER_00: and were you a Christian at the time,
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SPEAKER_00: or did that come later?
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SPEAKER_00: Just talk about how faith played a role as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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SPEAKER_01: Age nine, I grew up in the St.
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SPEAKER_01: Louis, Missouri community, and I grew up in a Christian home.
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SPEAKER_01: We were believers.
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And I've always found in life,
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it's relatively easy to be a believer when it's sunny.
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SPEAKER_01: You and I are recording this today.
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SPEAKER_01: It's 74 degrees and sunny outside.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you do when it storms?
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SPEAKER_01: What do you do when the boat starts to rock?
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SPEAKER_01: What do you do when the waves start to crawl over the sides of the edge?
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And that's what my family and I had to wrestle with beginning
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January 17th,
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1987.
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SPEAKER_01: I was involved in a gasoline explosion.
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SPEAKER_01: burned on 100% of my body,
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SPEAKER_01: as you alluded to,
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SPEAKER_01: given no chance at all of survival,
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SPEAKER_01: should not have survived.
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SPEAKER_01: But I remember two things distinctly.
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The first was thinking my dad was going to be furious because
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I'm the one that
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SPEAKER_01: triggered the explosion.
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SPEAKER_01: I did it on accident.
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SPEAKER_01: But I still did it.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I knew I was guilty of that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I remember distinctly my dad coming into the room and saying,
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SPEAKER_01: John,
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SPEAKER_01: look at me when I'm talking to you.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm getting ready for the judgment.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he goes, I have never been so proud of anyone in my entire life.
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SPEAKER_01: And my little fella, I'm just glad to be your dad.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he said, I love you.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's nothing you can do about it.
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SPEAKER_01: So I have a picture of the prodigal father.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a Rembrandt painting over to my side, right over here.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's this picture of this old man bent down,
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SPEAKER_01: putting his arms around this broken,
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SPEAKER_01: sin-filled kid saying,
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SPEAKER_01: come on,
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SPEAKER_01: come home.
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SPEAKER_01: It's scripturally solid, but I experienced that when I was nine.
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SPEAKER_01: I experienced the love of a father.
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SPEAKER_01: My dad's love,
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SPEAKER_01: his mercy,
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SPEAKER_01: his grace,
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SPEAKER_01: when I was first burned,
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SPEAKER_01: that first moment in hospital changed me.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I told you there were two things I remember distinctly.
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SPEAKER_01: After my father walked out, my mother walks in.
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SPEAKER_01: She took my right hand in hers.
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SPEAKER_01: She patted my bald head and she said, I love you, baby.
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SPEAKER_01: I love you.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't have clothes on.
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SPEAKER_01: The skin has all been burnt off.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm dying.
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And I look up as a nine-year-old and I say,
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mom,
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will you knock it off with the love?
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SPEAKER_01: Knock it off.
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SPEAKER_01: Am I going to die?
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SPEAKER_00: Did you know your prognosis?
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Like,
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did you know that you had zero chance of survival or were they
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keeping that from you?
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SPEAKER_01: They kept that from me.
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SPEAKER_01: But I, I mean, gosh, man, I was on fire for more than a minute.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Just for those of you who cook,
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SPEAKER_01: next time you touch the pan,
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SPEAKER_01: like that's a millisecond,
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SPEAKER_01: because as soon as you feel it,
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SPEAKER_01: you pull back.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not even really a burn.
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SPEAKER_01: A minute of being on fire, like my gosh.
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So I didn't know how devastating it was or what the recovery
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would be like or the prognosis.
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SPEAKER_01: I just knew the way the doctors and nurses were whispering, this is real.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I saw my own body like it.
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SPEAKER_01: It did not look like mine.
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SPEAKER_01: This is real.
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SPEAKER_01: And my mother takes my hand a little bit more firmly,
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SPEAKER_01: pats my bald head and says,
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SPEAKER_01: baby,
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SPEAKER_01: do you want to die?
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SPEAKER_01: It's your choice.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not mine.
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SPEAKER_01: And I looked up at my mom and I said, mom, I don't want to die.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to live.
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SPEAKER_01: So she said, take the hand of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_01: You walk the journey with him and you fight like you never fought before.
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SPEAKER_01: Your daddy and I will be with you every step along the way.
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SPEAKER_01: But do your part, John.
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SPEAKER_01: Fight.
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And your earliest question was,
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what was your faith life like before the accident?
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And I went to a Christian school and I remember about a week
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before this fire,
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SPEAKER_01: we had to draw a picture of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_01: He was on water.
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SPEAKER_01: The boys were on the water in the boat.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's one bearded guy kind of halfway up,
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SPEAKER_01: halfway down,
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SPEAKER_01: starting to sink like floundering at St.
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SPEAKER_01: Peter, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Peter, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: As I'm coloring this,
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SPEAKER_01: I remember thinking,
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SPEAKER_01: dude,
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SPEAKER_01: if I'm ever called out of that boat,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to cower.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go.
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So when my mom said,
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take the hand of Jesus,
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it wasn't like,
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well,
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I hope we get better.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope this skin graft's taken.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope therapy's okay one day.
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SPEAKER_01: I knew in the deepest sense of knowing that I would not die.
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SPEAKER_00: So you learned from Peter and you kept your eyes on Jesus, clearly.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I did, man.
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But there have been parts in the hospital and subsequently when
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O'Leary has not
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SPEAKER_01: kept his eyes on Jesus or been completely underwater.
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SPEAKER_01: And I don't think that is unique to me.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: That goes for all of us.
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SPEAKER_01: I think we all go through these seasons,
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SPEAKER_01: man,
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SPEAKER_01: where like all of us,
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SPEAKER_01: I have moments where I wrestle with faith.
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And yet when,
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back to your point,
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when my eyes are on Jesus,
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my life is good.
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So I just listened to one of your podcast episodes about the
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shark attack and the
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SPEAKER_00: boy who was attacked when he was close to your age.
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SPEAKER_00: I was sobbing the entire time.
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One of the things you emphasized in your interview or they
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emphasized was the
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SPEAKER_00: people placed along the way.
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If they weren't there and if the timing wasn't just such,
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then he would have died.
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SPEAKER_00: So do you have people like that?
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SPEAKER_00: in your life,
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either when the accident happened or in the aftermath that you
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feel were truly
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SPEAKER_00: angels or put there for a reason?
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So if you had asked me this when I'm coming off from the
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hospital,
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the answer would be no.
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And if you'd asked me this as a teenager,
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the answer would have been no or in my twenties.
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SPEAKER_01: And now you're asking that of this old 48 year old dude in front of you.
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SPEAKER_01: And the answer is so obviously yes.
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Like I look back on my life in awe at how God was brilliantly,
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perfectly on time.
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SPEAKER_01: Always, always.
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regardless of what we're even talking about,
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but specifically regarding the fire.
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SPEAKER_01: My brother Jim was home when I blew up a can of gasoline in the garage.
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SPEAKER_01: Accidentally, but it happened.
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SPEAKER_01: I got trapped in there for about a minute,
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SPEAKER_01: came out of the garage,
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SPEAKER_01: made my way into the front hall.
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SPEAKER_01: Jim was 17.
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SPEAKER_01: He was sleeping in the basement.
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SPEAKER_01: He should have been at work.
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He comes up because the alarm did not go off,
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but now the smoke alarm has.
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SPEAKER_01: He hears his brother's screams.
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And the flames,
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Rebecca,
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are leaping off of me three feet in all directions.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: And this nobody,
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SPEAKER_01: he's just a late teenager,
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SPEAKER_01: picks up a rug,
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SPEAKER_01: comes over to me,
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SPEAKER_01: begins beating the flames with that little rug.
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SPEAKER_01: Every time he swings down, the flames leap from me onto him.
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SPEAKER_01: And my brother, Jim, kept swinging down into the flames.
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SPEAKER_01: burning himself in the process,
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SPEAKER_01: wrapping me in that rug,
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SPEAKER_01: bringing me outside,
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SPEAKER_01: throwing me in the ground,
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SPEAKER_01: saving my life.
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SPEAKER_01: He goes back into call 911.
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SPEAKER_01: He chases my sisters and the dogs out of the house.
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SPEAKER_01: While he's doing that, I have an 11-year-old sister named Amy.
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SPEAKER_01: She's outside barefoot and starting to snow.
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SPEAKER_01: And she comes over to me.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm in the front yard.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a messy situation.
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SPEAKER_01: The house is on fire.
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SPEAKER_01: Smoke's coming through the windows.
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SPEAKER_01: And she just walks right over to me, puts her arms around me.
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SPEAKER_01: You talk about like God's angels, man.
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SPEAKER_01: This little girl just pulls me in and says, John, it's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Have faith and fight.
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SPEAKER_01: The best is yet to come.
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SPEAKER_00: What wisdom coming out of an 11-year-old girl.
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: None of this is preplanned.
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SPEAKER_01: But all of it is God ordained.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you can't prep a child to speak like this.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't prep a firefighter to act the way my brother did.
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You can't train up a parent well enough to say,
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now when the child says,
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will I die?
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SPEAKER_01: I know you're going to want to say, no, you're not going to die.
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SPEAKER_01: No book.
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SPEAKER_01: Instead, I want you to come back with a question.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you want to?
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SPEAKER_01: Because that's what Jesus would have done.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you want to see?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you want to live?
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SPEAKER_01: Pick up your mat, move.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, so all of this is just spirit led.
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And the final angel I'll share from the front yard that day was
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my sister,
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Susan.
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SPEAKER_01: She hears that I want to die.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I'm in the front yard.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm in so much pain.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just agony, both physical and emotional.
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SPEAKER_01: And I say, I just want to die.
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SPEAKER_01: Go and get a knife.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want to live.
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SPEAKER_01: And this little girl goes into a burning house.
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She gets a cup of water,
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comes back outside,
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throws that first cup of water in my face.
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She wheels around,
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goes back into a burning house a second time,
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gets a second cup of water.
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SPEAKER_01: And then she wheels and goes in a third time.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a quote, I think it's from John.
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No greater love is there than to be willing to lay it on one's
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life for one's friends.
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SPEAKER_01: This little girl at age seven goes into a home three times safely.
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SPEAKER_01: Her three cups of water growing each one of my face.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm burned from my neck to my toes, third degree, but not my face.
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SPEAKER_01: And it is the doctor's wisdom.
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I think that they said it's because of her actions that not
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only was your face
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SPEAKER_01: saved,
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SPEAKER_01: but your scalp where they drew all my skin.
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SPEAKER_01: You see my head today, man, that's my real hair up there.
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SPEAKER_01: All the skin from my entire body came from my scalp.
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SPEAKER_01: Which she saved.
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SPEAKER_01: Really?
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SPEAKER_01: So not only was she showing me love, she was changing my life through it.
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SPEAKER_00: So your house was on fire as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So she literally is running into a burning home three times.
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SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: I know we'll talk about it,
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SPEAKER_01: but they recently shot this film called Soul on Fire about our life.
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SPEAKER_01: And I know my story so well that I rarely get emotional about it.
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But what got me so emotional is they did not want to shoot the
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fire scene where the
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SPEAKER_01: camera's on the kid burning.
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SPEAKER_01: That's ugly.
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SPEAKER_01: No one wants to see that.
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SPEAKER_01: So they made the camera the point of view of the child.
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SPEAKER_01: So they have this camera running through the house.
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SPEAKER_01: And then they show what I saw.
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And to see that again,
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not from my pain perspective,
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but seeing in the actress's eyes,
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SPEAKER_01: what it's like to see your brother on fire.
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SPEAKER_01: Cause like I saw that in my sisters and we never really talked about it.
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To see my brother Jim come up from the steps 37 years later
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when they're filming
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SPEAKER_01: this and see the actor pick up a ruck and begin beating down the flames.
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SPEAKER_01: And man,
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SPEAKER_01: that was so far,
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SPEAKER_01: not only for me,
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SPEAKER_01: but my siblings were there behind the cameras watching all this.
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SPEAKER_01: And for them, like they don't think about it all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: We try to like not be defined by that moment.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet it was such a defining moment in our lives.
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SPEAKER_01: And unlike so many tragedies, this tragedy drew us together.
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SPEAKER_01: It forged us.
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SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
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SPEAKER_00: Now,
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SPEAKER_00: I know Jack Buck played a big role in your life as well,
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SPEAKER_00: the famed Cardinals radio broadcaster.
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Can you talk a little bit about how he got involved in your
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life and the impact that had?
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Yeah,
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so I'm assuming some of your listeners and viewers may not know
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Jack Bach.
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SPEAKER_01: Jack was a Hall of Fame broadcaster.
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SPEAKER_01: He was the voice of the St.
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SPEAKER_01: Louis Cardinals, but also the voice of national radio for baseball.
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SPEAKER_01: Big, big voice, big presence.
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SPEAKER_01: And he was my boyhood hero.
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SPEAKER_01: I loved him.
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SPEAKER_01: I never met Jack Bach, but I listened to him every night.
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SPEAKER_01: I got burned on January 17th.
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SPEAKER_01: was expected to die that evening.
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SPEAKER_01: And at a charity auction, Jack Buck had heard at his table.
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SPEAKER_01: He's downtown in St.
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SPEAKER_01: Louis.
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SPEAKER_01: He had heard that a little boy was burned in St.
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SPEAKER_01: Louis and was going to die.
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SPEAKER_01: And the encouragement was, keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
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SPEAKER_01: Eventually, Jack Buck leaves the party that night.
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SPEAKER_01: This is just wild.
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SPEAKER_01: It does not know me.
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SPEAKER_01: It does not know our family.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not going to go on social media.
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SPEAKER_01: But he leaves the party that night, goes out to a hospital in St.
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SPEAKER_01: Louis County called Mercy.
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SPEAKER_01: He walks into a burn center, asks about a little boy who got burned.
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SPEAKER_01: They show him where to go.
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SPEAKER_01: He gowns up, walks in, sits down.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm laying in darkness.
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SPEAKER_01: So my eyes are swollen shut.
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SPEAKER_01: Rebecca, I can't see.
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SPEAKER_01: But I get a ear.
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SPEAKER_01: And I hear the voice of Jack Buck say, kid.
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SPEAKER_01: Wake up.
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SPEAKER_01: You are going to live.
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SPEAKER_01: Keep fighting.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he visited you every day after that, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and after being told there's no chance.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: first of all,
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SPEAKER_01: when you're told that someone's dying,
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SPEAKER_01: keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
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SPEAKER_01: Most of us,
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SPEAKER_01: if we're being bold and generous,
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SPEAKER_01: do like a hashtag thoughts and prayers,
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SPEAKER_01: storm victims in Tupelo,
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SPEAKER_01: and then we're done.
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SPEAKER_01: Who in the world leaves what they're doing to go visit a stranger?
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SPEAKER_01: Like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's epic.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just such a remarkable story of faithfulness,
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SPEAKER_01: of action,
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SPEAKER_01: of service,
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SPEAKER_01: of love,
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SPEAKER_01: and in doing so,
15:08
SPEAKER_01: how it changes all people.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine being in pain all the time,
15:13
SPEAKER_01: but then a Hall of Fame radio announcer walks by you and says,
15:16
SPEAKER_01: keep fighting,
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SPEAKER_01: kid,
15:18
SPEAKER_01: as he goes to visit another patient.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: The ripple effect of grace is eternal.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: Jack made a mighty difference in my life,
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SPEAKER_01: undoubtedly,
15:28
but also a mighty difference in the lives of everybody else on
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that floor.
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SPEAKER_00: As you said,
15:32
he could have just kept you in your thoughts and prayers or in
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his thoughts and
15:36
SPEAKER_00: prayers,
15:37
SPEAKER_00: rather.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, to actually get up and do something about it.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's an inspiration for all of us.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: And didn't he find out about it through a chain of people?
15:47
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, he didn't know you at all.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: He didn't know us at all.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: It's a long-winded answer.
15:51
SPEAKER_01: But my neighbor called a friend who called a girl named Colleen.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Colleen called her dad, who was going to a charity auction that night.
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SPEAKER_01: His name was Red Shandians.
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SPEAKER_01: He was a Cardinal second baseman in the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: And Red Shandians sat at a table and just mentioned to those gathered,
16:09
SPEAKER_01: including this buddy Jack,
16:10
SPEAKER_01: that this little boy was burned terribly,
16:12
SPEAKER_01: was going to die.
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And so this game of phone connection is also,
16:17
I think,
16:17
an important part of the story.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: Like you never know.
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SPEAKER_01: I think Andrew in the Bible has one line.
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SPEAKER_01: Come and see.
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SPEAKER_01: That's it.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: Not like a great broadcaster.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: Come and see.
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And so you never know the work that you do and the words that
16:35
you speak and the
16:36
SPEAKER_01: life that you lead,
16:37
SPEAKER_01: how it might influence one other.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: And then that life might influence one other.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: And then that life might be the one.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: So our job is to say yes to being used for good.
16:47
And if we do that enough consistently,
16:49
watch that ripple effect because it's coming.
16:52
It's almost like every single aspect of your story is inspiring
16:56
in a different way.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: It's so beautiful.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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This is a story of what happens when we turn our life over to
17:01
something bigger than ourselves.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: And we recognize in spite of our position,
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SPEAKER_01: our class,
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SPEAKER_01: our wealth,
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SPEAKER_01: our race,
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SPEAKER_01: our creating,
17:08
SPEAKER_01: whatever our background might be,
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SPEAKER_01: our sinfulness,
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SPEAKER_01: God has a way of using us for fear.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: But you've got to be open to it.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: And then when that call comes, you've got to pick up your mat and go.
17:20
In other words,
17:22
I blew up a can of gasoline and then the body of the church
17:26
shows up.
17:27
In the movie,
17:28
the person who's doing the talking is,
17:30
it's the real Colleen.
17:32
So for those of you who do the film,
17:34
you'll hear a woman say,
17:35
he was burned terribly.
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SPEAKER_01: Keep him with dogs in prison.
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SPEAKER_01: That's Colleen.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: So that's Red's daughter who's talking right there.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: To her side is Julie, Julie Buck, who is Jack's actual daughter.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: And in the middle is William H. Macy, who portrays Jack Buck.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: So these are the real people who are part of our story.
17:51
But these are folks who heard an opportunity of doing something
17:55
for someone else.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: And they moved.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: And Jack heard this call.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: There were eight others at that table.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: No one else got up with him.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: So the idea is that we all hear the same news stories.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: We all see the same tragedies.
18:09
If you look at Jesus' ministry,
18:11
it's almost always about the interruption.
18:13
It's almost never like...
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And then on Saturday,
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he preached another...
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That is so true.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: He's a rabbi.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: We Christians sometimes forget Jesus is a rabbi.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: So the majority of his work would have been in Temple.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: And yet the majority of what we celebrate,
18:31
SPEAKER_01: when he was going to the left and then gets called to the right,
18:34
SPEAKER_01: when he's going that direction and someone touches him in this one,
18:37
it's almost all being bold enough and vulnerable enough and
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faithful enough to say
18:41
SPEAKER_01: yes to the interruptions.
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SPEAKER_00: That is such a powerful takeaway.
18:47
So I do want to talk more about your movie,
18:49
Soul on Fire,
18:50
coming out in October.
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SPEAKER_00: Who's in it and how closely does it follow your real story?
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SPEAKER_01: William H. Macy, we mentioned his name, plays Jack Buck.
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SPEAKER_01: He did a phenomenal job.
19:04
There's a guy from Big Fat Greek Wedding named John Corbett,
19:08
who plays my dad.
19:10
Stephanie Shosek from Iron Man and The Devil Wears Prada and a
19:14
bunch of other
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SPEAKER_01: movies plays my mom.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: Joke Wortney from Jesus Revolution plays John O'Leary.
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SPEAKER_01: Devon Franklin plays Nurse Roy, who helped save my life.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: Macy McClain plays my wife.
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SPEAKER_01: She's beautiful.
19:29
It's like all these actors came together around this story to
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speak life into it,
19:35
SPEAKER_01: which was so well done.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: They did an incredible job.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: But then your question might be, how close is it to being real?
19:42
SPEAKER_01: Well,
19:42
SPEAKER_01: they filmed the fire in the house where I was raised,
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SPEAKER_01: in the house where my mom and dad still live.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: They filmed the homecoming at that same house.
19:52
They filmed the scene where John is sad about his life later on
19:56
and his dad gives
19:56
SPEAKER_01: him this radical pep talk.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
20:00
get ready to be punched in the gut in the best way on the
20:03
screen porch where that
20:04
SPEAKER_01: talk actually happened.
20:06
They filmed when John gets married to his wife in the church
20:10
where John and his
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SPEAKER_01: wife were married.
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They filmed the actress in the actual dress that my wife wore
20:16
on our wedding day.
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SPEAKER_01: That is incredible.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: This isn't just like kind of close.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: It's like the places where it happens,
20:25
SPEAKER_01: the people who are involved in the church,
20:27
SPEAKER_01: when you see it,
20:28
SPEAKER_01: two wild things about this.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Everyone gathered in the church
20:32
SPEAKER_01: were gathered in that same church 21 years before that for the real way.
20:36
So when you see all the extras,
20:38
you're like,
20:38
man,
20:38
could they not find any young people in this?
20:40
SPEAKER_01: They're like, what?
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm older now.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: So like my parents' friends are older, my friends are older.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: So that's what you see when you look into the audience.
20:47
You see the people who are actually there,
20:49
which is awesome,
20:50
but even more powerful.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: In the second role behind the actors where the grandparents hang out,
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SPEAKER_01: you see my actual parents.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: So this beautiful couple who've been together 60 years now,
21:01
SPEAKER_01: you see my mom and dad,
21:03
SPEAKER_01: which is awesome on a million levels.
21:05
But one of them is my dad has had Parkinson's disease for 30
21:08
years and was unable
21:10
SPEAKER_01: to stand for about 10.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: And when Sean McNamara,
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SPEAKER_01: our director,
21:15
SPEAKER_01: yelled at the words,
21:16
SPEAKER_01: action,
21:17
because this is when John's about to kiss his wife and everyone
21:20
stands up for that
21:21
SPEAKER_01: final blessing.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: my dad heard the word action and wills himself up on that pew,
21:27
SPEAKER_01: pulls himself up,
21:28
SPEAKER_01: 30 years of Parkinson's and this warrior rising.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: And so that's a precious moment to me.
21:35
And as you and I record this,
21:37
my father passed away on May 30th this year.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: He's in heaven.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: He's no longer in pain.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: He's finally been able to dance again and stand again and speak again.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: He's got his body back again.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
21:50
But about a week and a half before he passed away,
21:53
there was a client in St.
21:54
Louis who wanted to have 3,000 folks go to the film to see it
21:57
ahead of time.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: So they did.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: And I invited my dad and mom to go.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: So I sat in this theater with all these executives behind me.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: And my dad just held my hand the whole time.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: I was going to ask if he got to see it before he passed.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: He did.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: And he lost the ability to speak as he was getting sicker.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: So I leaned over as people were clapping.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Dad, what do you think about your life story, man?
22:22
SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
22:23
SPEAKER_01: Did they do a good job?
22:25
SPEAKER_01: And my sweet dad whispered, what a gift.
22:31
And,
22:32
you know,
22:32
you could say,
22:32
like,
22:33
was that the first review of the film?
22:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was the film he was reviewing.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: I think partially.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: I think what that was was almost this moment.
22:41
You know,
22:41
when you've read,
22:42
when you die,
22:43
you have a quick review of your life.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Jesus walks you through it all.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: And I think my dad, that long before he died, had this quick review.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: And it ends,
22:54
I'm not going to tell you how it ends because you got to go see
22:56
it because you will
22:56
SPEAKER_01: cry like a baby.
22:58
But it ends in this moment where the son and his dad get to
23:03
show people what real
23:04
SPEAKER_01: life looks like.
23:06
And that is a gift to recognize that even in the difficulty of
23:10
Parkinson's disease
23:11
SPEAKER_01: and woundedness and brokenness and mistakenness,
23:14
SPEAKER_01: that the author of life still works.
23:17
If you were to ask me,
23:18
what is one of your hopes as people leave the film?
23:21
SPEAKER_01: I hope they leave saying, what a gift.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: And they're not talking about my movie or my life.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: That is so powerful.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, can't wait to see the movie.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Fun tie.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And you may recall my son, Jameson, played a small role.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: He he's an extra.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Technically, he plays your middle son, Patrick, right?
23:43
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean small?
23:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, first of all, there are no small.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, Patrick, you don't have a small role in your dad's life.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Patrick's work was last night.
23:51
He's going to be furious when he finds out that his his little
23:54
body double played a
23:55
SPEAKER_01: small role in daddy's life.
23:58
But I was there that day with Jameson when the actors were
24:01
filming the scene on that porch.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: Were you able to hear what was going on out there?
24:06
SPEAKER_00: No, they kept us stage moms far away.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: That was a really special thing for him to be a part of.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, it was a blessing for us to have him in.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: So he plays Patrick, who is the most joyful kid.
24:18
And little Jameson was just a little gift of joy,
24:20
a little flash of light on that set.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: And so when they all watch the movie,
24:25
SPEAKER_01: that little guy comes up to hug the guy playing me is Jameson.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: It's your son, but he's my little Patrick.
24:33
And what I'm struggling with there is mistakes that I've made
24:36
in the past.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: And so my wife is picking up on this.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: So she sends the kids outside to go play and they're playing.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: But my dad is having this talk with me,
24:44
a talk we really did have on that screen and porch about life
24:49
and what do you do
24:50
SPEAKER_01: with the brokenness?
24:51
SPEAKER_01: What do you do with your scars?
24:53
SPEAKER_01: And as you are hearing Jameson play in the background,
24:57
SPEAKER_01: pay close attention to what my dad is saying,
24:58
SPEAKER_01: not just to his son,
24:59
SPEAKER_01: John,
25:00
SPEAKER_01: but to you.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about the brokenness, that powerful conversation.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: What caused you all to market this as a faith-based film?
25:11
I know it's under Sony Pictures' Affirm Films label,
25:15
which is Christian content.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: So even today, I speak in the corporate realm.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm a leadership speaker.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: All the books that I write are leadership books, if you will.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: And question number 13 on my survey,
25:27
SPEAKER_01: when clients fill it out,
25:29
SPEAKER_01: is what topics do you want John to stay away from?
25:32
SPEAKER_01: Guess what the two always are?
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Faith.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: And politics.
25:38
So they give me a microphone and they tell me to stay away from
25:41
faith and politics.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: And I can stay away from politics gladly.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: But faith, it's ingrained in my body.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: How do you stay away from that?
25:48
SPEAKER_01: And so I don't view my job as...
25:53
SPEAKER_01: like outwardly evangelizing from the stage.
25:55
But undoubtedly,
25:57
this is a faith story that I share with secular corporate
26:00
clients.
26:01
And so the film,
26:02
it will draw people in to say,
26:04
I want to come alive again in my life.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: And then they will leave,
26:09
SPEAKER_01: I think,
26:09
SPEAKER_01: not only clear on what that looks like in a secular sense,
26:13
SPEAKER_01: but on the faithful sense that drives it all.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: It's an opportunity for Christians,
26:17
SPEAKER_01: for instance,
26:18
SPEAKER_01: to bring non-believers to say,
26:21
SPEAKER_01: well,
26:21
SPEAKER_01: just check out this film.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: And I heard just this crazy story about a kid and baseball and family.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: He ends up with a girl at the end.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, we should check it out, man.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Become a big motivational speaker.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Go.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: And then on the way home,
26:35
talk about what you're actually watching because it's not a
26:39
baseball film and it's
26:40
SPEAKER_01: not a fire film.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: And it is indeed,
26:43
SPEAKER_01: I think,
26:43
SPEAKER_01: a love film,
26:45
SPEAKER_01: but it's not like a dating love story or even a family love story.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: It's a God love story.
26:49
It's how God loves each of us in such a mighty way that he
26:52
chooses to use us in
26:53
SPEAKER_01: mighty ways for his perfect purposes.
26:56
And the last person to recognize that in the movie is a guy
26:59
named John O'Leary.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else saw it so clearly and that's why they did what they did.
27:04
And yet sometimes we're the last one to recognize the miracle
27:06
of our life.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: At least I am.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: And so I think our secular friends will connect with this.
27:14
I think it gives us an opportunity to share scripture and the
27:16
word within if you want.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: At the very least,
27:19
it's a deeply inspirational movie about fighting for things
27:21
that matter bigger than
27:22
SPEAKER_01: yourself.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: But it's a movie about community.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: And right now,
27:27
can you think of a time where there's been greater cynicism and
27:30
negativity and
27:31
SPEAKER_01: pessimism?
27:32
SPEAKER_01: And then Hollywood keeps flashing up.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: So let's give them hope.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: We'll put in front of them Superman.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Then we'll give them another lightsaber movie.
27:41
Then we'll give them a talking squirrel movie where they curse
27:44
and like all these
27:45
SPEAKER_01: examples of heroes.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: And then they come forward with this film.
27:50
which is example after example of ordinary zeros who changed
27:54
the world for good.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think the faith market has that corner.
27:59
I think the marketplace as a whole needs to recognize
28:03
Hollywood's a democracy.
28:04
Man,
28:04
let's start voting again with our dollars to say,
28:06
this is what we want more of.
28:08
We want movies that draw us together and allow us to have
28:11
conversations around
28:12
SPEAKER_01: things that actually matter.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: So we talk at that movie about faith.
28:15
We talked at that movie about scars and brokenness,
28:18
about what do you do with sinfulness?
28:20
SPEAKER_01: What do you do with the things you've done in the past that you regret?
28:22
SPEAKER_01: How do you redeem that?
28:24
SPEAKER_01: What do you do with the one life that you've got?
28:26
How do you make a difference with the breath that you've been
28:28
gifted with?
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Are miracles still possible?
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Is love still possible at this late stage?
28:34
SPEAKER_01: All these things that are...
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Man, they're just core to life.
28:38
SPEAKER_01: So I hope the film does well for a million reasons.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: But one little reason is when it does well,
28:45
SPEAKER_01: Hollywood will say,
28:47
SPEAKER_01: maybe we won't do the 37th rerun of that show,
28:51
but instead we'll put forward another true story of a miracle
28:54
that took place in
28:55
SPEAKER_01: our world and how God is still working.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: And so it comes out in theaters in October.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: Will it be streaming as well?
29:05
SPEAKER_01: So it won't be streaming at first.
29:07
So,
29:08
you know,
29:09
I encourage your listeners and viewers,
29:10
like check it out at the theater.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: It comes out October 10th.
29:14
If you are listening to this even before,
29:16
then you can get your tickets ahead of time.
29:18
You can reserve entire theaters for like friends or classmates
29:22
or your church.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Love it.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Go in,
29:26
SPEAKER_01: laugh and cry,
29:29
feel renewed and feel more certain than ever that your best
29:33
days are in front of
29:34
SPEAKER_01: you.
29:35
We talk about all of this hope and inspiration that's been a
29:39
string throughout your life.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Is there any scripture in particular,
29:43
any Bible verses that you identify with most or that have
29:46
inspired you the most
29:47
SPEAKER_00: along the way?
29:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
29:52
SPEAKER_01: what I try to live my life by now is from Micah,
29:54
SPEAKER_01: seek justice,
29:55
SPEAKER_01: love mercy,
29:55
SPEAKER_01: walk humbly with God.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: People often ask me, like, how do you want to be remembered?
30:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, executive producer, actor.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, are you joking?
30:05
SPEAKER_01: And even like dad, like even those titles begin to fade after time.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: My first job is husband, son, dad, like for sure.
30:14
But man,
30:14
with my one life,
30:15
I want to see justice,
30:16
love,
30:17
mercy,
30:17
walk humbly with God.
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SPEAKER_01: And if I do that sincerely, I will be an awesome spouse.
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SPEAKER_01: I will love her so well.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll date her still.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be an awesome dad to her kids, which is awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll raise them well.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be a better son to my dad before he goes home to heaven.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be a better son to my mom as she grieves her husband.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be a better friend.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be a better podcast interview.
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I'll do that stuff when I seek justice,
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love,
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mercy,
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walk humbly with God.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's one scripture that just moves me.
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SPEAKER_01: My mom has J-E-R-2-9 on her license plate, which is so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Her car is old.
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Her license plate has hit like 50 million curbs as it's gone
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through life.
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SPEAKER_01: So like this thing, it's like warped.
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SPEAKER_01: It should not be legal, man.
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SPEAKER_01: You can barely read the J-E-R-2-9.
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SPEAKER_01: But before I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord.
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She put that on her car years and years ago when she was on top
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of the world.
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SPEAKER_01: And she kept it on her car after her kid got burned.
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SPEAKER_01: After we dealt with some mental illness in our family,
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SPEAKER_01: after her husband gets Parkinson's disease and loses his job.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's why he sold the same darn car.
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As she takes him to appointment,
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to appointment,
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to appointment,
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she kept it on the car.
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SPEAKER_01: And she runs out for the pens at night because they ran out.
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SPEAKER_01: She has this on her car, J-E-R-2-9.
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As she drives up eventually to the funeral hall and to the
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church service.
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And the coolest thing,
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and then I'll be quiet,
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but the coolest thing,
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J-E-R-2-9.
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SPEAKER_01: My dad went about a decade without speaking.
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I mean,
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he barely whispered out what a gift,
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but he went about a decade without speaking.
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SPEAKER_01: So like how many people would go to an 81-year-old's funeral?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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Especially when they haven't,
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in quotes,
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done anything in their life in a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: They've done nothing for 30 years.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, more than a thousand people came to my dad's funeral.
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SPEAKER_01: We live in a society that is so focused on the doings.
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SPEAKER_01: And my dad had decades to be,
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SPEAKER_01: to be present,
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SPEAKER_01: to be a great listener,
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SPEAKER_01: to reflect,
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SPEAKER_01: to smile,
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SPEAKER_01: to radiate joy,
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SPEAKER_01: to love God.
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SPEAKER_01: And in doing that, to love the one in front of him.
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So though most of the folks gathered that day had not heard
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dad's voice in a long time,
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SPEAKER_01: They gathered one more time to celebrate that life.
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SPEAKER_01: But my mom pulled up to that service, J-E-R-2-9.
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SPEAKER_01: She's a woman who's guided by faith,
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SPEAKER_01: certain that in spite of the plight that we are in,
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SPEAKER_01: there is not that her best is in front of her still.
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What a beautiful story,
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her story with that license plate,
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but your story in general.
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And obviously not just you,
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but how you're at the center of all of these incredible people.
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SPEAKER_00: And it is so evident that the Lord is working through your story.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's so amazing that you've inspired so many people with it.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you, John O'Leary, for all you've done.
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SPEAKER_01: I got to say, Lauren, I want to cut you off.
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SPEAKER_01: He is working through our story.
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Because you asked me the question,
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did you see God's angels in your life when you were a kid?
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SPEAKER_01: And the answer is no.
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It's only recently through hindsight and greater faithfulness
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that I recognize so clearly.
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SPEAKER_01: Gosh, he was all over it.
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SPEAKER_01: And if that's true for an insecure barn survivor,
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, Rebecca, what about you?
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SPEAKER_01: What about your son?
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SPEAKER_01: What about your friends?
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SPEAKER_01: What about your listeners and viewers?
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SPEAKER_01: So he's working through our story.
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And if you guys want to just learn more about your son and the
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movie and our story,
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SPEAKER_01: the website is soulonfiremovie.com.
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SPEAKER_01: So go there.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll learn about this little boy who plays my son, Patrick.
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SPEAKER_01: Soul on Fire movie.
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SPEAKER_00: He wasn't the big deal in the movie, I promise.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all you.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a huge deal.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll hear his laughter.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll hear joy, which is the call for your life.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yes, we will all go see the movie, soulonfire.com.
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SPEAKER_00: Soulonfiremovie.com.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't go to soulonfire.com.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't want to go there.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a horrible site.
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SPEAKER_01: Go to soulonfiremovie.com.
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And if people want to connect with you on social media or check
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out your podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: where should they go?
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SPEAKER_01: So for that, probably go to my website.
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SPEAKER_01: It's johnolearyinspires.com.
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SPEAKER_01: johnolearyinspires.com.
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SPEAKER_01: And we'll have social there.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll learn more about the podcast and the film.
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And starting October 10th-ish,
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we'll have a free link to,
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it's called Ignite Character.
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SPEAKER_01: And it will unpack for you the characters in the film,
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SPEAKER_01: the characteristics they most modeled,
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SPEAKER_01: how it changed one person's life and what it means for you and yours.
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So to unpack those layers,
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it's a cool way to elevate the film experience.
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SPEAKER_01: More than that, it's a cool way to live it in your life.
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SPEAKER_01: So all that you can find at johnolearyinspires.com.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, John O'Leary, thank you so much for joining us today.
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I know that this has inspired our listeners to delve deeper
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into their faith and be
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SPEAKER_00: closer to God and just live that out every day.
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SPEAKER_02: Rebecca, you're awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: And you raised a mighty son who has taken Hollywood by storm.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't know about that.
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So congratulations on that and for now being part of our family
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and part of our life.
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SPEAKER_02: We're grateful for it.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks to all of you, our amazing listeners, for tuning in today.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you enjoyed today's conversation,
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SPEAKER_00: be sure to subscribe and leave a review wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stay inspired,
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keep trusting in God's plan for your life,
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and we'll see you next time.