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Top MLB expansion city candidates + Ken Rosenthal on Edwin Díaz floundering, Mets missing Pete Alonso · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT Senior Insider, Ken Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 1: It's presented by the Fox One app. Ken, let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the Dodgers. And this one surprised me. I know
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  Speaker 1: that Edwin Diaz is struggling, but it's sounding more and
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  Speaker 1: more like there's a chance that if those struggles and
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  Speaker 1: the erratic performances continue for him, he might not be
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  Speaker 1: part of the Dodgers postseason roster. Are we getting like
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  Speaker 1: this Tanner Scott situation all over again for the Dodgers?
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  Speaker 2: Sure seems like it.
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  Speaker 3: And Keep in mind, if you're the Dodgers, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to take your 26th best. And they have talked at
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  Speaker 3: various points about how they feel this year's pitching staff, 1-13,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it might be in the postseason, 1-12, will be
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  Speaker 3: the strongest they've ever taken into October. They have believed
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  Speaker 3: that at various points, and it still might prove to
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  Speaker 3: be true. If Diaz, in their estimation, isn't going to
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  Speaker 3: be good enough to be part of that, they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to take him. This is a win-at-all-cost kind of
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  Speaker 3: industry here. We're not trying to sewage feelings or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that. And what's so interesting to me about the
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers and the uproar about the Dodgers always is that
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  Speaker 3: looking back at last offseason, the Kyle Tucker contract certainly
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  Speaker 3: doesn't look great. He's been really much better in the
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  Speaker 3: last week or so. The Edwin Diaz contract certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 3: look great. And yeah, they have certain advantages financially. We
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  Speaker 3: all know that. Sometimes those advantages could work against you.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, is Diaz's problems mechanical? Is it mental?
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  Speaker 4: I know he went on the aisle with a neck.
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  Speaker 4: Is it because people are saying, oh, it's a mechanical issue.
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  Speaker 4: It's a mechanical issue. Or is there a little bit
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  Speaker 4: up here that he's not completely right with?
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  Speaker 3: AJ, at this point, I'm not sure. I saw him
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  Speaker 3: maybe about a month ago. And this was in, I
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  Speaker 3: guess it was mid-August. And he had had a tough outing.
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  Speaker 3: And if I got my dates wrong, please forgive me.
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  Speaker 3: But He'd had a tough outing, and then I saw
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  Speaker 3: him the next day, and he was like, I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to fix this. I know it's wrong mechanically.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. And once I fix this, everything will be fine.
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  Speaker 3: He has always projected that kind of confidence throughout this year,
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  Speaker 3: and when he's not healthy, he's not healthy. That's different.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know what exactly is up, and maybe
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  Speaker 3: it is more physical than he understood or the Dodgers understood.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that. Maybe it's mental, but he has
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  Speaker 3: always been– at least in my opinion, a very strong
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  Speaker 3: guy mentally. And it would be surprising to me if
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  Speaker 3: a lack of success got to him. He's been through
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  Speaker 3: that in his career. He's had that with the Mets.
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  Speaker 3: He had it with Seattle at times. So that would
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  Speaker 3: surprise me. But who knows the combination of the physical
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  Speaker 3: and the mental and the toll that might be taking?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things, the positive things that happened with
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers is they clinched their playoff spot. They got
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  Speaker 2: to pop champagne. Is their run... As impressive because of
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  Speaker 2: the extended playoffs, more teams get in? And is it
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  Speaker 2: going to be looked at differently than the record that
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  Speaker 2: they tied?
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  Speaker 3: I would say it's less impressive than the Braves simply
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  Speaker 3: because there are more opportunities now for teams to get in.
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  Speaker 3: But in most of these playoff appearances, they've won the division.
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  Speaker 3: So let's not take that away from them and let's
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  Speaker 3: not discount what they've done. It's been incredible.
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  Speaker 2: 14 straight.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time, yes, I know people watching certain
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  Speaker 3: people in certain markets are going to say, well, they
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  Speaker 3: have all these advantages. That's true. They've had financial advantages.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question about them. They've also done things regarding
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  Speaker 3: player development, international scouting, trades, signings, everything. The whole thing
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  Speaker 3: put together, they've done that at a higher level than
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  Speaker 3: every other club. And yes, they've put their advantages to
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  Speaker 3: good use, but they've also done some things where, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to detail them now again, they were
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  Speaker 3: making moves that were not necessarily even related to their finances,
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  Speaker 3: and yet they pulled things off.
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  Speaker 2: On the other side, the Yankees also clinched. Not necessarily, okay,
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  Speaker 2: they had that blip where they only won 81 games,
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  Speaker 2: but when they clinched, me as an ex-player that played
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  Speaker 2: under Brian Cashman, is it time to look at him
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  Speaker 2: and what he's done there, or is it going to
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  Speaker 2: be the same thing as you just said, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: they have a lot of financial advantages, so he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of mid at the job that he does.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in their case, it is time. It's past time
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  Speaker 3: to understand what Cashman has accomplished. And all of those
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  Speaker 3: years finishing above 500 since 1998, yes, they have had
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  Speaker 3: financial advantages too. So have other teams. No other team
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  Speaker 3: has had a winning record every year. Now, I know
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  Speaker 3: certain fans, certainly certain Yankee fans, will say no World
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  Speaker 3: Series title since 2009. Yes, that is true. It's undeniable.
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  Speaker 3: And some of the teams have not been constructed as
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  Speaker 3: well as they could have been. I would expect Cashman
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  Speaker 3: would say that as well. However, they are always in
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  Speaker 3: the mix. And despite what we keep hearing about the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to win a World Series. It's hard to
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  Speaker 3: get through all these postseason rounds, and maybe this is
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  Speaker 3: the year they do it. I don't know. But I
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  Speaker 3: would not consider them a failure because they haven't won
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  Speaker 3: the World Series since 2009. I know that is the
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  Speaker 3: standard that George Steinbrenner set. It is the standard that
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  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter espoused. It is what Aaron Judge talks about today.
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  Speaker 3: The season is a failure if we don't win the
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  Speaker 3: World Series. I disagree with that, but I understand where
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  Speaker 3: it's coming from with the Yankees. To me... The 162
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  Speaker 3: is the true test of a team and a true
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  Speaker 3: test of how that team was constructed, how that team performed.
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  Speaker 3: And the playoffs, you can get hot, you can not
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  Speaker 3: get hot, you can have injuries. All these kinds of
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  Speaker 3: variables come into play. And good for the Dodgers for
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  Speaker 3: being in position to win three in a row and
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  Speaker 3: not taking away anything from that. But remember the days
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  Speaker 3: when Billy Bean said, my stuff doesn't work in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs are too random? Well, that feeling... seems to
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  Speaker 3: have changed among a lot of people, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that it should have. The playoffs are really difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, the Yankees try to win the World Series every year?
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  Speaker 5: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a success if they don't win the World Series?
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  Speaker 4: That's weird to hear a team say that. Anyways, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if you missed my stuff earlier, but anyways.
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  Speaker 4: I hear the echoes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the other team in
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  Speaker 2: New York, the Mets.
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  Speaker 4: Last night, They were chanting Fire Stearns, the whole deal.
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  Speaker 4: The Mets have actually played a lot better in the
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  Speaker 4: second half of the season. They're swinging the bats better.
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  Speaker 4: Their pitching has improved drastically. There's no chance David Stearns
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  Speaker 4: is not part of the New York Mets organization next year, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: David Stearns is going to be back. Steve Cohen has
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  Speaker 3: already made that clear as the owner. He has said
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  Speaker 3: that Stearns will be back. And clearly there were mistakes made.
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  Speaker 3: We've discussed them ad nauseum. And last night was for fans.
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  Speaker 3: a rightful chance to express their feelings, to express their
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  Speaker 3: appreciation for Alonzo, who had so many great years as
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  Speaker 3: a Met and who still should be a Met. And
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  Speaker 3: it was also a chance for them to express their
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  Speaker 3: frustrations with the decision that was made not to bring
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  Speaker 3: him back and not really even to pursue him that hard.
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  Speaker 3: So that was a moment that was building really all season.
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  Speaker 3: Alonzo has had another great Pete Alonzo season in his
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  Speaker 3: first year with the new team. And remember, we're now
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  Speaker 3: seeing Bregman come out of it. And some of the
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  Speaker 3: guys who struggled early, not so much Tucker, even though
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  Speaker 3: he has been better lately, they've adapted and they've been fine.
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  Speaker 3: And Alonzo wasn't great early, but he came on really strongly.
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  Speaker 3: But to do what he has done in his first
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  Speaker 3: year in a new organization is really impressive. And he
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  Speaker 3: brings a ton to the table. He did that in
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  Speaker 3: New York. And my biggest problem with the decision that
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  Speaker 3: they made was here was a guy who succeeded in
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  Speaker 3: New York. Not every player does that, and not every
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  Speaker 3: player is capable of handling the unique pressure that comes
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  Speaker 3: with playing in that particular market. Alonzo did. He proved
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  Speaker 3: it over and over again, and guess what this year?
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  Speaker 3: He has improved his defense, which was a wrap on him.
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  Speaker 3: The guy obviously cares. He's been a great player for
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  Speaker 3: a long time, and it was actually cool to see
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  Speaker 3: last night just the appreciation Mets fans have for him.
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  Speaker 2: We see it. He comes back. He's doing well. Stearns
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  Speaker 2: is going to return. That's how I'm prefacing this question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see a change of course or a change
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  Speaker 2: of beliefs or system? Because every GM says, I need
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  Speaker 2: five years for my system to work. And just last
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  Speaker 2: year at this time, they missed the playoffs by a game. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they changed a lot this off season. Do you see him?
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  Speaker 2: Do you see Stearns changing course again? Because if that's
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  Speaker 2: the case, they should fire him right now because then
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  Speaker 2: there's no chance it's going to work. He's doing something
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  Speaker 2: that he never has done before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's going to be an expectation next season that
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  Speaker 3: they're a good team, a competitive team, a contending type team.
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  Speaker 3: The question is, how do you get there? Now, there
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  Speaker 3: have been some really good things happening with the Mets.
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  Speaker 3: As you guys have mentioned, they've got an outfield now.
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  Speaker 3: It's Benj, it's Ewing, and it's Soto. They've got probably
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  Speaker 3: Bo Bichette coming back. I don't expect him to opt out.
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  Speaker 3: They've got Francisco Lindor. Part of the issues that they've
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  Speaker 3: had with some of these guys has been health. Lindor
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  Speaker 3: and Soto, of course. They seemingly have gotten through the
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  Speaker 3: worst of the Lindor-Soto relationship and From a position player standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: there's some things that they can do. First base is
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  Speaker 3: a bit of an issue, but they're pretty okay there.
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  Speaker 3: What they've got to do is find a rotation and
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  Speaker 3: build a rotation. They've got some pieces in place, but
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  Speaker 3: they obviously need more. They need to reconstruct the bullpen
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  Speaker 3: as well. And if you ask me if there's one
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  Speaker 3: thing David Stearns would say as a takeaway from what
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  Speaker 3: happened in the offseason and what happened last year, it
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  Speaker 3: would be that He needs to find guys with better
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  Speaker 3: track records of health. Robert Jr. did not have that.
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  Speaker 3: Polanco did not have that. And that was the danger
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  Speaker 3: with some of what they did. Yes, I understood the
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  Speaker 3: need or the desire to break up a team or
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  Speaker 3: a group that had not been successful. Fair enough. They
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  Speaker 3: did not win in the playoffs. Okay. You want to
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  Speaker 3: make those changes? Make those changes.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 3: They've run their course in your opinion. What was the
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  Speaker 3: mistake here? was bringing in these guys who were not durable,
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  Speaker 3: who could not replace what Nimmo gave them, what Alonso
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  Speaker 3: gave them, even what McNeil gave them. McNeil got hurt
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more than those other two, but those
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  Speaker 3: guys were guys who posted, and the Mets lacked that
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  Speaker 3: with the players that they acquired, and it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be okay for them because they found Ewing now, and
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  Speaker 3: they found Benj, and Benj is looking like maybe a star,
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  Speaker 3: but it was an awfully hard road to get to
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  Speaker 3: this point. And that to me was the biggest mistake made.
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  Speaker 3: They banked on too much risk.
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  Speaker 4: Ken, do you think David Stearns will learn from his mistakes?
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  Speaker 4: Will they give a pitcher a long-term deal? I know
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  Speaker 4: the free agent class this year isn't great. It's good,
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  Speaker 4: not great, but will they give a guy a long-term contract?
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  Speaker 4: Will they do that to try to help solidify that?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they have McLean. They have some other guys.
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  Speaker 4: Tong pitched pretty well last night.
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  Speaker 2: Will they do that.
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  Speaker 4: And will Stearns learn from maybe some of his mistakes
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  Speaker 4: in the past?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard. Because then you have to
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  Speaker 2: admit you made mistakes, right? It's hard for people. It is.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that David Stearns would learn from any mistakes
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  Speaker 3: that we would perceive him to have made. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure that his reluctance to give pitchers long-term deals is
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  Speaker 3: a mistake. And we've seen these long-term deals go south
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  Speaker 3: in so many ways for so many pitchers. The problem
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  Speaker 3: is when you take those short-term chances. Sometimes they're going
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  Speaker 3: to work. Sometimes they're not going to work. Now in 24,
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  Speaker 3: they had a great year because it worked. And then
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  Speaker 3: the last two years, not so much. So the key
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  Speaker 3: really is development. And I guess when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: free agency this year, you might ask, okay, well, there's Scooble.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's a whole tier well below where Scooble is.
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  Speaker 3: It's Holmes and Gossman and guys like that.
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  Speaker 2: They're good.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to command necessarily five- and six-year deals.
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  Speaker 3: The one guy who will is Scooble. Will the Mets
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  Speaker 3: want to go there when he has something of an
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  Speaker 3: injury history? I don't know, and I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: it would be wrong of them to avoid going there.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got to come up with alternative solutions that are,
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  Speaker 3: if not Tarek Scooble, viable solutions.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, let's go to the Reds for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to obviously miss another playoffs again. They're eliminated.
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  Speaker 2: They did make the playoffs last year. So I have
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  Speaker 2: to say that before I say what I'm going to say,
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  Speaker 2: should Nick crawl be coming back from what we hear?
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  Speaker 2: He's coming back next year. Should he be coming back?
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  Speaker 2: Is this a construction of the team issue, a financial issue,
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  Speaker 2: or does this always, always, always just rest on the
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  Speaker 2: players not playing up to their potential?
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  Speaker 3: I would say it rests with the reds more in
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  Speaker 3: ownership than anything else. And, Clearly, this is a team
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  Speaker 3: that now has missed the playoffs 26 of the last
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  Speaker 3: 31 years. Now, you can certainly find fault with Nick Kroll,
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  Speaker 3: particularly at the deadline when they did nothing and they
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  Speaker 3: should have done some things. I don't know how much
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  Speaker 3: freedom he had to make those decisions. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how much freedom he has had to make other decisions.
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  Speaker 3: He asked me if he should be back. I would
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  Speaker 3: say the whole thing would need to change, starting at
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  Speaker 3: the top, and then if you want to make a
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  Speaker 3: change at the general manager, okay, but Right now, they're
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  Speaker 3: being run by a guy, Castellini, Bob Castellini, who has
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  Speaker 3: not had success, who has not shown his franchise can
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  Speaker 3: be like the Brewers, like the Tampa Bay Rays, like
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  Speaker 3: a team in his own state, the Cleveland Guardians. They've
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  Speaker 3: not been a successful small market team, and they have
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  Speaker 3: tried to compete. They've spent money at times, though not,
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  Speaker 3: of course, at the level that the Dodgers and Mets
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  Speaker 3: and Yankees spend at, and yet it still isn't there.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll leave you with this. They've got two of
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  Speaker 3: the best young position players in the game, Eli De
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  Speaker 3: La Cruz and Sal Stewart. They've got one of the
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  Speaker 3: best young pitchers in the game, Chase Burns. And yet
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  Speaker 3: they didn't compete this year. Part of it was injuries.
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  Speaker 3: We all get that. But all teams have injuries. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not an excuse, ultimately. So if you're asking me
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  Speaker 3: flat out if he should be back, I would say
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  Speaker 3: in response, I don't think he is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Your Thursday game is the Mets-Phillies, correct? Correct. Correct. We
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: already hit the Mets quite a bit. My question is
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: for the Phillies. Has Dave Dombrowski done enough to address,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, the reason that the Phillies have been
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: bounced out of the playoffs all the last three years
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and the bullpen surrounding Johan Duran?
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know that that would be the reason I
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: would say is the reason they've been bounced. Their offense
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: has also failed in the playoffs, but If you're asking
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: if Dombrowski has built a good enough bullpen, the answer
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: to that right now would appear to be no. Now,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Alex McFarlane has been kind of a revelation for them.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: They've got Durant at the back.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Do they have enough to get to Durant, including McFarlane?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: That's questionable right now. And if Lozardo is not right,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: then they've got a real problem because Matt Gelb of
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: The Athletic suggested about a week ago that you could
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: throw Lozardo in the wildcard series and into the bullpen
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: to start Game 1. Game 1 would be started by
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Sanchez or Wheeler, but you put Lozardo to be the
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: bridge guy, and maybe that's the way you go about it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: And maybe Andrew Painter can serve in that role. They
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: can use him in that way, and who knows?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe Aaron Nola, though Aaron Nola's been really good as
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: a starter lately. But right now, the Phillies have only
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: a one-game lead over the Padres, and they are in
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: danger of actually missing the playoffs. Then they've got two
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: at the Nationals, then they've got four with the Mets.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: So it's a big week for them, obviously. It's a
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: big week for everyone, and it's a big two weeks
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: because it's the final two weeks. But it's going to
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: be really interesting to see, one, if they hold on,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: and then two, how far can they go? Because they
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: had that offensive surge for about, I don't know, five,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: six weeks, and now it seems like they've fallen off
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit again. So They're a really interesting team,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be really interesting to see just
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: what they do, whether they get in or not, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: then what they do in the playoffs should they actually qualify.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Ken, didn't want to go to Houston with me, huh?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: That's cool. I see how it is. That's cool. That's cool, Ken.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Why aren't you in Chicago with your boys?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? They're not in Chicago. They're in Cleveland.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, why aren't you with them?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: That's where you should be, offering whatever moral support you can.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: That's fine. I'd love to offer them all the support
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I could. I can't just show up in the clubhouse
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: and be like, let's go kick.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Some ass, guys.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you're A.J.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Pruszynski. Exactly. That's why I'm not allowed in the clubhouse.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Hey, A.J., I didn't actually hear the rant I was
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: waiting to come on, but that was a great win
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: last night.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Agreed. Obviously.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: They're essentially a 500 team, but that was a big win.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: And let's see what happens next too.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Listen, they basically, they clinched the, I mean, I'm not
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: going to say they clinched the division, but that win
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: gave them the season series, so no matter what happens,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: they're two up in the loss column. That is basically,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you know, whatever, but that was an extra game they
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: basically added on to the division lead, and that was
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: a huge win, and Tristan Peters, listen, I think they've
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: done a lot of really good things. Ken, all I
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: said was, If they don't make it after the way
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: that things have gone, it's a failure because you have
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: a lead in a division late into September.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Expectations change. Yes, you weren't expected to be here, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you're here now. Go finish it off. That's it. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: people don't like that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that. And looking back now, there
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: were some people even at the time who questioned their deadline,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: whether it was good enough. Right now, it doesn't look
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: like it was good enough. Let's see how it all
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: plays out. But Castillo has been a disappointment, of course,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: and they didn't do enough else to to maybe justify
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: where they were at the time. Again, these are difficult
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: things to balance because they're still in some ways a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: building club, but we'll see how this ends. It's going
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: to be really fascinating to see if they hold on.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: They have a great chance. They have a great chance
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to go to the LCS. That's all I'm saying. They
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: have a great chance to at least get to the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: LCS this year. Take advantage of it. Let's go, boys. Strap,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: as Hawk would say, what does he say? Lock it in,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: strap it down. Let's go, boys. Lock it in, strap
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it down. Whatever he used to say.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: We've got an AL Central-White Sox-Guardians matchup that's stealing the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: show for the first few days of the second to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: last week of the season.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: By the way, Ken, do you agree with Jim Bowden?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Junior Caminero should be the AL MVP?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't agree.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. I love Junior Caminero.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: He's had an amazing year. But Alvarez has him by
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: 100 points in OPS.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: No. Sorry. Okay.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Good. I like that. All right, Ken, good stuff. We
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: will catch you on fair on Thursday and we'll also
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: watch you on the Fox game on Thursday.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So the Fox game we're talking about Mets and Phillies
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that Ken will be a part of also AJ, what's yours?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Royals Astros, Jordan Alvarez.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: There you go. So you can catch them both on
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the Fox one app at home or on the go
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: live or on demand. Never miss a moment stream. Now
• 22:00
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• 22:03
  Speaker 1: at foxone.com. Let's spend some time on this. In the weeds,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Jeff Passan's article breaking down expansion team candidates. Now that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the Rays have a new ballpark approved, MLB no longer
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: has relocation threats with leverage, so they can finally move
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: on to new teams, right? When you have the Rays
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and A's trying to figure out their stadium situations, what
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you do is you say, well, we have all these
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: other cities interested. Well, now those ballparks have been figured out.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So let's get to what's next. Now, Rob Manfred, wants
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: one east coast or whatever eastern portion of the country
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: versus west if you split the country in half and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: he is set to retire in january of 2029 if
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: you believe it i don't think he's going to retire
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: at that point but he'd like to have this figured
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: out okay so aj are you ready to run down
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the cities that jeff listed and the likelihood here.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Of them okay salt lake check.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So there's one and let's start with yes yes.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: We've said this for two years on this show, right?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: For two years.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: They're going to get 5 billion, 5 billion per team.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: So that's $ 10 billion injected into the, into it. Once
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: you get the CBA figured out. No, I don't think
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: the number is going to be.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: The number that pass and wrote about in his article
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was upwards of two and a half per team. So
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: let's say it's, let's say it's three though, because the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: recent valuations have been higher than they thought. So let's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: say it's three bill per team. So $ 6 billion for
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: two teams is my guess around there.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine. Okay, sorry. So each team gets $ 200 million
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: out of that, something like that. No big deal. That's fine, guys.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: We need more money.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Business is good.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake is a yes. Salt Lake's going to happen.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake is going to happen. They want it to happen.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: It's going to happen. It's more central.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It's not fully west.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: It's a hub for airlines like Delta.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake is going to happen. They love baseball there.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Media market, 28th.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: They've proven that that doesn't really matter because they went
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: to Vegas, which was in the I think the 40s
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: in media markets.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake, yes, going to have.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Wait, can I just mention over this board that the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: three pillars are, do you have an ownership group? Salt
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Lake has one, right?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: The Millers.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And they helped save the Jazz and kind of helped
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: put Utah on the map for the Jazz for years.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Stadium funding, yes. That's a big yes, right? $ 3. 5 billion
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: pledge from ownership. and almost a billion dollars from state funding.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of money these days from state funding.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That'll fund half the cost of the stadium. The other
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: pledge is for a whole mixed-use development area that MLB
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: loves and does a great job of, right? Stadium site, yes,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I already have that. It's already actually cranking crats. They're
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: already working on that power district there and building it up.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So Salt Lake City is about as much of a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: guarantee as there can be when it comes to expansion talk,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and you just have to act like there are still
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: other teams involved, like Portland.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And that's really the only reason Portland's on the list
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: is because they got to have somebody out on the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: western side. I know Salt Lake's not west. But one
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: thing that when we brought up Salt Lake the other day,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: people were talking about in the comments, it's going to
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: be freezing. If you actually look at the city of
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake, the amount of snow that they get and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the weather, it is absolutely beautiful. I get it. Summertime
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: is really nice there from the times that I was there. But...
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It's up in the mountains where they're going to get
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the snow. So that's the biggest slam dunk on this list.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Agreed. Okay.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Easy.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Done. Salt Lake's a wonderful city, too. I played there.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I played there. It is top-notch city. It's beautiful. Besides
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: watered-down booze, but you can figure that out.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Next up. Yeah, the booze laws out there are weird. Nashville,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: 25th media market, was looked at as what? Why'd you
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: shake your head at me?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: There's ways around the booze stuff.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I know there's ways around it, but it's still just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: weird sometimes when you see they have those shot-pouring things.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, come on.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Relax.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get with the times. But that's okay. Mostly perfect
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: out there. 25th Market, Nashville. They have none of the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: three pillars, and local politicians, at least currently in office,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: are not really into giving money. To me, this is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a huge hurdle. I think they can find an owner.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I think they can find a site, AJ.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: If you can't get local politicians to agree to give
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars of public money, I think
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: MLB is going to push pretty strong to the team
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about after this one, despite Nashville being such
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a perfect place to fill up a ballpark.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I would have said Nashville was a yes, but because
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: they have, I mean, they have the Dave Stewart group
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: and they still have that, but Nashville, but they don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: have a site for the stadium.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That's the big thing. They don't have a site for
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the stadium.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: And they don't have a lot of public behind them,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like. I mean, as big of a
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: hit as the Titans have been and the Predators have been,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: when you talk to people there, it doesn't seem like
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: when you read articles, there's not a huge push from
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: people to get them. Salt Lake, there's a huge push
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: from a lot of people involved. Nashville, as perfect as
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: it would be, just doesn't seem like there's a huge push.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Can MLB make it that way? Probably, but I don't know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Back in the day, Kratzy and I were looking for tickets.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: It was so hard to find a seat online. or
• 27:22
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• 27:25
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• 27:28
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• 27:31
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• 27:33
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• 27:35
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• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you used to scalp your tickets, but look,
• 27:41
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• 27:43
  Speaker 2: go right on SeatGeek and find your post-season tickets. I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: not even going to fast forward to the post-season. I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: going to say, the run to October because some teams
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: aren't in yet. So right now is the time to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: get it. And those seats are available.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: And it's playoff time, the best time for baseball. And
• 27:59
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• 28:01
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• 28:16
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• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I honestly thought it
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: was going to happen, but just like I thought Portland
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: was going to happen years ago, and then once Salt
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Lake came through, it was like, eh, nope, Portland's not
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So here's where I think the real race is, right?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You could basically skip ahead to this park. We could
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: have told you it's Utah, and we might not have
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: time to get to some of the other ones later,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: or we'll go quickly on them. The real competition right
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: now is Raleigh, the 22nd market. going up against Nashville. Okay.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And let's show that board because they've got a lot
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in their favor right now. It is a state that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is growing rapidly in population, including three top 50 markets
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with Raleigh, Charlotte and Greensboro. They have no teams and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: they're on track to be the seventh largest state by population.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: By the time expansion happens, the top six states all
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: have multiple MLB teams. North Carolina doesn't have any, they've
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: got a good name by their side in Carolina hurricanes owner,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Tom Dundon, who also owns the Blazers, and he's pledged
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to handle this. No official site yet, but he's got space.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: So I think the stadium site part of this, AJ,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is actually a little bit of a misconception. He has
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: 80 acres around the arena that he owns for the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Carolina Hurricanes. And I mean, there's no public funding pledge yet,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: but politicians are open to it. So I actually think
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: there's three yeses here right now.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I think Raleigh might be the one because the funding
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: will happen if it gets to a point where they
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: think it can happen. They're not, no state house is
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: going to provide money if they don't think they're going
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: to get a team. And then secondly, the stadium site,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: if they already have 70 or 80 acres ready to go, that's,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: that's a no brainer. You put it around the, The
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: hockey arena, and by the way, the Panthers, I mean
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: the Hurricanes, sorry, have been a huge, huge thing for
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: that city. Plus you have North Carolina, you have Duke,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: you have North Carolina State.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You have a lot of stuff that's happening around that area.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Actually, I used to think it would be Charlotte, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the more I read about Raleigh, I actually think Raleigh
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: might be the other one.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: It might be Raleigh and Salt Lake.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: One minute for each of us. I'll take Portland. AJ
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: gets Orlando. Kratz finishes with Montreal because he loves it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: there and he played in Canada. Portland, 23rd market. To me,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: there's definitely some potential here. I just don't think they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: have any semblance of a chance, right? They currently don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: have an owner. It appears they do have a beautiful
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: site out there and public money. It sounds like about
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: 800 mil could be committed in public money for a stadium.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: So there is a lot, and I feel like they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: could probably find an owner. I just feel like this
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: is irrelevant because of how much pull Salt Lake City
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: has right now within Major League Baseball. I've been hearing
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that for years, so have many others. AJ, the Orlando
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Dreamers are dreaming about the 15th largest market and the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: largest market without baseball. They've got a site. Actually, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: was surprised. They don't have public money from Orlando, or
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: they do? In this article, they said no.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But they could. Here's the problem. MLB's not going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: put three teams in Florida.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: They're not going to put a team an hour away,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: an hour and 20 minutes away in Orlando from Tampa.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: They're just not going to do it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Tampa just got the best hope for Orlando, and I
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: was all in this, and I've been not involved as
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: much as I used to be, but was.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Getting Tampa to move to Orlando.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Now that they have a stadium, there's no way MLB
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: is going to put a third team in Florida.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. People talk about the Rays having trouble, the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Marlins having trouble. They're going to put a third team
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in Florida? It's not happening. I'm sorry.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: It sucks for me because I'm an Orlando guy. I
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: would love to have a team here, but they only
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: also have 35 acres.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Too small.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: The Orlando tourist tax, they said they would help if
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: it got to where it got close. It never got
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: that close. The owner, Rick Workman, I know very well.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: He wanted to own a team. He went with Tampa
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: because he knew they were going to get the stadium
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: in Tampa. So, yeah, it's a no for me.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I love you, Orlando. Love you, Dreamers, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: not going to happen. For Montreal, parlez-vous français, de le compléter,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: mon chéri? And all that means is? No, no, and no.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: No owner, no funding. No, it didn't work last time.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Good documentary if you want to watch it. I think
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it should work. It doesn't. There's a lot more bureaucratic
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: things to work through up there. It's a shame because
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I think the area really did support it or could
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: support a team if done correctly.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's big.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Population's big. Market's big. Second biggest market in Canada. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I think the name of the project up there is
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a microcosm of their chances. It's called the Peanut Project.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'll walk myself out.