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UK Column News Podcast 31st March 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the thirty first of March
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK
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  Speaker 1: column News. I'm your host, Brian Gerrish, delighted to have
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  Speaker 1: Ben Rubin with me here in the studio. We have
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  Speaker 1: Diane Rasmus and mcaddy joining us by link livelink from Scotland. Well,
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  Speaker 1: today we're going to get started with really the March
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  Speaker 1: to war, very serious times for UK and let's just
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  Speaker 1: have a look at some of the propaganda that's been
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  Speaker 1: unleashed on the nation in order to get us into war.
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  Speaker 1: Or better place to start than with Keir Starmer addressing
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  Speaker 1: the troops.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really clear in my mind that if there is
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  Speaker 2: a deal, and I hope there is, everybody wants a
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  Speaker 2: peaceful outcome, a lasting piece, not least the Ukrainians. But
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  Speaker 2: that will only be lasting, that will only be peaceful,
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  Speaker 2: It will only leave Ukraine secure and sovereign if there
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  Speaker 2: is security arrangements in place to ensure that if there's
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  Speaker 2: a deal, it is a defended deal. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: the work that we're doing here is so important. We
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  Speaker 2: know one thing for certain, which is a deal without
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  Speaker 2: anything behind it is something that put in Wilbridge. We
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  Speaker 2: know that because it's happened before, and I'm absolutely clear
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  Speaker 2: in my mind it will happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about you or I find that
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing very difficult to watch because he's using
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  Speaker 1: the military personnel behind him as a prop for his image.
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  Speaker 3: But of course his real.
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  Speaker 1: Objective is to continue the war with the Russians. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want the peace very clear, and of course most
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  Speaker 1: of those military personnel will simply have a head full
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  Speaker 1: of the briefings that they've had from within the Ministry
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  Speaker 1: of Defense and of course by Defense Intelligence. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to be coming onto DII in a moment. But so
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  Speaker 1: I've got a second clip of Kelear Stormer, and in
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  Speaker 1: this one, well, he's quite wobbly over something which is
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  Speaker 1: very simple, and I think there's a reason why that's hubbluk.
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  Speaker 2: Now is not the time for pulling back or weakening
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  Speaker 2: on sanctions on the contrary, Now as the time for
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  Speaker 2: increasing sanctions on Russia to get them to the table
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  Speaker 2: to these negotiations, to the hope of a ceasefire and
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  Speaker 2: a long and a lasting and secure a cease fire
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  Speaker 2: that preserves the security and sovereignty of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: I found that very interesting. Ben he stumbles over what
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  Speaker 1: should have been an easy statement to do with them
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  Speaker 1: for peace, and I think this is because he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: got it in his mind. So it's a scam up
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  Speaker 1: front that Keir Starmer is working for cessation at the hostilities,
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  Speaker 1: the brutal deaths on the front line in Ukraine. He
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  Speaker 1: mixes up his words because his real objective is to
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  Speaker 1: keep that war going so that he can try and
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  Speaker 1: strengthen the UK's position in Ukraine and the position of
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  Speaker 1: the Western forces. Now, the next image will pop up
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  Speaker 1: on slide, but I have to qualify it because this
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  Speaker 1: is not the genuine BBC News headline. They had a
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  Speaker 1: very soft headline here saying that Germany had decided to
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  Speaker 1: forget its history, when the reality is that Germany's apparently
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  Speaker 1: decided to forget two million World War two dead. That's
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  Speaker 1: basically German soldiers dead on the Eastern Front and three
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  Speaker 1: point four million wounded, and Germany is now preparing for
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  Speaker 1: round two. And I'm just going to bring in the
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  Speaker 1: journalists from this article. It's Sarah Rainsford. This is the
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  Speaker 1: lady who was actually kicked out of Russia as a
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  Speaker 1: result of the Russians pushing back against what they regarded
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  Speaker 1: as subversion by British authorities in Russia itself, and she
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  Speaker 1: felt very aggrieved by this, but the reality was that
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  Speaker 1: the Russians had had enough of soft propaganda. But basically
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  Speaker 1: in the article there's no mention of BBC media action.
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  Speaker 1: That's the BBC charities work within Ukrainian society to reframe
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  Speaker 1: Ukrainian society in the woke model of UK in the West,
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  Speaker 1: and of course that is also soft subversion by BBC
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  Speaker 1: media action. Now, what the BBC article did go on
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  Speaker 1: to say is that we should, well, we should really
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  Speaker 1: take account of what Charlotte and Ludwick had to say,
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  Speaker 1: because in the art call these two eighteen year olds
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  Speaker 1: and are going to say innocence in the game. They
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  Speaker 1: apparently see the need to boost defense spending in Germany.
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  Speaker 1: So the BBC would have us in UK believe what
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  Speaker 1: these two very very young people have to say in
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  Speaker 1: Germany in order that we're going to help the Germans
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  Speaker 1: push through defense spending, presumably to kick off the next
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  Speaker 1: round on the East and Front. But of course, what
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  Speaker 1: do this young what do this young man and lady
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  Speaker 1: know nothing due to their age and certainly only what
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  Speaker 1: they've been told. So the BBC soft propaganda being thrown
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  Speaker 1: down the throats of people in UK in order to
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  Speaker 1: get the war. And this was the number of the article.
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  Speaker 1: It was the head of the Bundesbier General cast and Brewer,
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  Speaker 1: and he's saying, quite simply to the German people, are
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  Speaker 1: you ready for war? And the BBC article even mentions
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there's been some criticism of this man
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  Speaker 1: because he's been traveling around in local areas telling people
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  Speaker 1: that they need to prepare for war. Some people are
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  Speaker 1: pushed back and said he's scaring them. So I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to bring that up on screen. But this German
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  Speaker 1: senior military officer is calling for subscription in Germany in
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  Speaker 1: order to have a massive boost in numbers for the
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  Speaker 1: German army because he says prepare for war. But here
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  Speaker 1: in UK, of course, we've got our own politicians clamoring
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  Speaker 1: for war, and no better place to go than mister Elwoods.
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  Speaker 1: Let's remind ourselves of what he was saying just a
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  Speaker 1: little while ago.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel that the time for debate has actually passed?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying that it's not really a
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  Speaker 4: question of opinion now it's simply a matter of we
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  Speaker 4: have to get boots on the ground, and therefore we
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  Speaker 4: have to have conscription.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, that's the backdrop to this is that
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  Speaker 5: we've entered a new era of insecurity. Our world is
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  Speaker 5: getting more dangerous, not less. Russia's aggression is rising, it's
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  Speaker 5: increasingly backed by China. The United States is actually dialing
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  Speaker 5: back from its interests in Europe, and we are increasingly
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  Speaker 5: vulnerable and we must prepare. There's been a big debate
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  Speaker 5: about increasing defense money to two point five percent. We
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  Speaker 5: can't afford to keep a large standing army. So this
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  Speaker 5: is all about increasing our national readiness, this latent capability
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  Speaker 5: that we can tap into at any.
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  Speaker 1: Time, latent capability. Ben what he's talking about is sending
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  Speaker 1: young men and women into the slaughter on the Eastern Front.
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  Speaker 1: But Tobias is considerably younger than I am. He's a
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  Speaker 1: big man. He's done his military training, including with reserve
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  Speaker 1: special forces positions as I understand it. So my question is,
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  Speaker 1: mister Elwood, why don't you go to the front and
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  Speaker 1: how the Ukrainians fight the Russians on the front line.
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  Speaker 1: Is that an unreasonable request? Do you think, ben?
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  Speaker 6: I think that sounds about right Brian latent capability. That's
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  Speaker 6: an astonishing tervice, a new one to ma. Have you
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  Speaker 6: Have you heard that before?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't, but it is so unbelievably callous, because, as
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  Speaker 1: I say, that capability is to send young British men
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  Speaker 1: and women to the slaughter on the Ukrainian front as
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  Speaker 1: part of UK's proxy war. Now, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: know how this scene has been set up, let's just
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  Speaker 1: have a look at some of the things that the
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  Speaker 1: Ministry of Defense is putting out. This is utter propaganda,
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  Speaker 1: but just think of this post. It's what the defense
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  Speaker 1: spending increase means, and defense spending increase is all based
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  Speaker 1: on the need to continue the proxy war against Russia.
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  Speaker 1: But look at what they're saying. More a sorry homes,
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  Speaker 1: fit for heroes, more innovative equipment, driving jobs and growth
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  Speaker 1: in the economy. So if we prepare for war, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get better homes and better jobs and a
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  Speaker 1: better economy. There seems to me to be a few
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  Speaker 1: weaknesses in this mad and very dangerous philosophy. But if
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  Speaker 1: we get deeper into who's supposed to monitoring control not
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  Speaker 1: only effectively the intelligence services, but the Ministry at events
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  Speaker 1: and their relationship with intelligence. We come to the Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: and Security Committee of Parliament. Now their reports are well behind,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a reason for that. In fact, this is
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  Speaker 1: one of the issues that I'm going to be touching
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  Speaker 1: on a the on location conference in Cheltenham this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't got a ticket, you might like
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  Speaker 1: to purchase a ticket from us. But if we get
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  Speaker 1: deeper into what they're talking about, here is Defense Intelligence itself.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this incredible budget three hundred and seventy one
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  Speaker 1: pounds and amongst others the things, what's this organization doing well?
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  Speaker 1: I've labeled this from analysis to propaganda, So it says
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  Speaker 1: that Defense Intelligence has apparently provided substantial analysis and assessment
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  Speaker 1: on Russian's invasion of Ukraine, providing forewarning of Russian's intent
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  Speaker 1: to customers across government, customers. It's being provided to customers
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  Speaker 1: across government, to international partners, to parliamentarians and the general public.
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  Speaker 1: General public of course come last, and then DA's work
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  Speaker 1: has informed decisions made by ministers and Armed Forces chief
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  Speaker 1: chiefs on the UK's posture towards Russia and the provision
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  Speaker 1: of lethal and non lethal aid to Ukraine. Nothing about
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  Speaker 1: British soft power undermining Ukrainian society and antagonizing the Russians
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  Speaker 1: to help foment the war. But this is the killer
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  Speaker 1: information Here it says some of d i's reporting has
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  Speaker 1: been produced for public release. The impact deised Daily Daily
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine Twitter campaign with an unprecedented level of activity and
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  Speaker 1: presence on Twitter, with substantial in terms of penetration. This
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  Speaker 1: has become the best performing social media campaign of the
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  Speaker 1: Ministry Defense. Well, I've been talking about that Twitter campaign
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  Speaker 1: for a very long time. It's sheer propaganda. Let's remind
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  Speaker 1: ourselves by having a look at a few of their clips.
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  Speaker 7: We believe in you. You are our hope. We are
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  Speaker 7: fighting to survive just we don't have any many other choice.
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  Speaker 7: If we won't fight, we won't live like as a nation.
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  Speaker 7: As a country, we will disappear.
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  Speaker 3: So this is all emotion.
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  Speaker 1: This is playing on the heart strings of the nation
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  Speaker 1: in uk with no detail about how the war in
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine was created and fermented. Let's have a look at
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  Speaker 1: another clip here where we're praising ourselves for training people
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  Speaker 1: to go and be slaughtered on the Eastern Front.
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  Speaker 8: Thank yeah, yeah, because you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to play two more just a really
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  Speaker 1: emphasize what has been thrown at the UK population in
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  Speaker 1: the so called penetration of this defense intelligence campaign. And
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  Speaker 1: this was complete nonsense about Russian casualties. Let's have a
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  Speaker 1: look at this Ministry defense cartoon. So for those of
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  Speaker 1: you just listening in, what was being shown was a
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  Speaker 1: cartoon conveyor belt of Russian troops simply being slaughtered and
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  Speaker 1: dropping off the end of the convey about when, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: the way that the Russians have played the Ukrainian war
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  Speaker 1: has been very careful husbandry of manpower on the battlefield
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  Speaker 1: because the overall casualties on both sides have been so high.
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  Speaker 1: And the last one is a pathetic clip claiming a
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  Speaker 1: while ago that the Russians were going to lose because
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  Speaker 1: they were going to run out of water. So that
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  Speaker 1: one't talking about the Russians having to drink out of
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  Speaker 1: puddles in order to prosecute the war because they're so incompetent.
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  Speaker 1: Sheer nonsense, utter propaganda. But the truth is coming to
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  Speaker 1: the surface. And thank you very much. The viewer pointed
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  Speaker 1: me to this Telegraph article. When we've got facts now
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  Speaker 1: coming to the surface. British commandos helped bring the CIA
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  Speaker 1: into the heart of the Ukraine War, and talking about
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  Speaker 1: ben Wallace being accused of wandering the sacking of a
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  Speaker 1: Ukrainian general. So no doubt who's been running the battle
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  Speaker 1: and who's been following the orders. But if we get
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  Speaker 1: into the text here, and the investigation by the paper
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  Speaker 1: is saying that they've conducted three hundred interviews with government,
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  Speaker 1: military and intelligence sources. And the key point here is
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  Speaker 1: that they say that according to the investigation, Britain placed
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  Speaker 1: small teams of officers in Ukraine, unlike the Americans. And
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  Speaker 1: so basically we've put small groups of officers who were
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  Speaker 1: fighting the war within For the Ukrainians, they were spread
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  Speaker 1: across the country and this gave British military planners relatively
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  Speaker 1: more clout over the Americans. But an earlier report I
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  Speaker 1: had of this article, you can see part of the
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  Speaker 1: headline the CIA and the Heart of the Ukraine War.
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  Speaker 1: The investigation into uk US Operation duaid Kiev raises concerns
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  Speaker 1: that the West is fighting a quote proxy war with Russia.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the absolute truth. And if we bring
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  Speaker 1: in this one here, this is going back to twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two. Again we can see the British military being
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  Speaker 1: used to prosecute the war. And if I come in
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  Speaker 1: to end on this one, basically I was stunned at
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  Speaker 1: this image where we see the Defense secretary in Radikin
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  Speaker 1: and politicians laughing and joking at the site of a drone,
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  Speaker 1: which of course is ultimately going to be killing and
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  Speaker 1: may be people on the front. So they want to
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  Speaker 1: go to war, but it's a joke. They're like children
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  Speaker 1: with a new toy. I think we'll leave it there,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's clear that the country at the
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  Speaker 1: moment is in the hands of some very dangerous people
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  Speaker 1: and they're objected objective if the public allows it, is war. Diane,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the news. Take us into a new subject.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I'm right in saying that fear is
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  Speaker 1: still part of what you're seeing here.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks Brandon, Heillo Ben happy to be here today. So yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I have a report on an exhibition that was called
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  Speaker 9: Injecting Hope, but I'm going to call it injecting fear.
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  Speaker 9: And the reason for this is the topic of the
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  Speaker 9: exhibition is called race Free. COVID nineteen vaccine originally curated
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  Speaker 9: by the Science and Industry Museum in London and it's
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  Speaker 9: traveling around the UK. Currently it's up here in Edinburgh
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  Speaker 9: and it's at the National Museum of Scotland until the
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  Speaker 9: twenty seventh of April. In case you really want to
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  Speaker 9: see this, but trust me, I went, so you don't
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  Speaker 9: have to. It's part of a project with museums in
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  Speaker 9: India and the Guangdong Science Center in China, and this
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  Speaker 9: has been going around since twenty twenty two and it's
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  Speaker 9: free to enter. So I decided to visit the exhibition.
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  Speaker 9: I wouldn't have paid for this. It was my birthday
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  Speaker 9: on Friday, so I guess I was hoping I would
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  Speaker 9: inject some hope into myself, but really I just had
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  Speaker 9: anger and fear injected by the time I left. Honestly,
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  Speaker 9: Let's go through my visit to the exhibition first with
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  Speaker 9: some footage that I took there, and then I will
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  Speaker 9: give my report on it. So I've got a picture
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  Speaker 9: here of the entrance of it as well the entrance
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  Speaker 9: going into the museum. There's all of this propaganda, the
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  Speaker 9: yellow slide and everything. So once you go into the
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  Speaker 9: ZIP exhibition itself, once you pass into the front doors.
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  Speaker 9: You see this injecting hope and big scary red letters.
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  Speaker 9: There's a photo of me standing next to it, as
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  Speaker 9: well as the start of a lot of the propaganda
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  Speaker 9: that I've went through all the way through the whole thing.
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  Speaker 9: Another photo here showing me ending next to another piece
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  Speaker 9: of propaganda that's to the right of that propaganda saying
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  Speaker 9: stay home, essential, travel only and save lives. And I
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  Speaker 9: don't know if you can see it, but I was
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  Speaker 9: ringing my UK column hood. It was very nice to
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  Speaker 9: be able to wear that inside this exhibition. So where
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  Speaker 9: if you pass through that there's a gauntlet of dystopian
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  Speaker 9: propaganda to get to the exhibition, and that's a photo
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  Speaker 9: of it. I made a video of what it actually
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  Speaker 9: sounds like, he feels like, So if we can play
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  Speaker 9: that video, napsis.
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  Speaker 3: Diane?
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  Speaker 1: If I can, Diana, if I can just come in there?
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at that. Am I seeing images on the
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  Speaker 1: ceiling as well? There's a lot of images being thrown
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  Speaker 1: at young people children whoever goes into that exhibition?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely, And the there's the photographs of the different monitors.
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  Speaker 9: I guess they are playing all those videos on both
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  Speaker 9: sides of you walking through that hallway and up on
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  Speaker 9: the ceiling, which that's why I tried to get that
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  Speaker 9: into the video. So you're basically surrounded everywhere except the
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  Speaker 9: floor through all of this this horrible propaganda, and I
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  Speaker 9: can guarantee you there's no UK column anywhere in any
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  Speaker 9: of the screens. So by the time you pass through that,
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  Speaker 9: you have to get through all of those entry stages
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  Speaker 9: to get into the exhibition itself, and this you know
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  Speaker 9: you can. I've got some link in the show notes
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  Speaker 9: if you want to read more about it, but it's
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  Speaker 9: basically got objects that were collected during the so called
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  Speaker 9: peak of the pandemic. So called highlights include the vile
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  Speaker 9: of the first COVID nineteen vaccine to be administer worldwide,
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  Speaker 9: so you see the needle, different items of artwork and
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  Speaker 9: so on. So what I did is I have a
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  Speaker 9: whole bunch of photos that I took and I've put
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  Speaker 9: together this into it just under two minute video, and
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  Speaker 9: in the background I recorded at the end of the
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  Speaker 9: exhibition there's a recording of a book called I Remember
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  Speaker 9: by Alec Finley, which is a book long a very
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  Speaker 9: long computal memory of the pandemic and composed for Scotland's
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  Speaker 9: Cove Memorial which is in Pullet Country Park in Glasgow,
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  Speaker 9: and it's an entire book, but basically they're playing Robert Carlyle,
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  Speaker 9: who was the one of the actors in Train Spotting,
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  Speaker 9: reading from the book. So I put together this video.
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  Speaker 9: It goes very quickly, but you'll get a feel for
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  Speaker 9: what it was like to be there.
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  Speaker 10: I remember the family staying on as they were forced
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  Speaker 10: to take.
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  Speaker 3: Me a daughter home to die, believe.
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  Speaker 10: I remember the tears that floored when my car showed
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  Speaker 10: me the compassion that couldn't show myself. I remember the
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  Speaker 10: support of the comments so kind of me crying.
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  Speaker 11: I remember the clop of honor given to the many
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  Speaker 11: volunteers as they filed through the Linker corner of the
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  Speaker 11: Glasgow London film me. I remember the exhaustion of sleep
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  Speaker 11: approbation in my hospital bed from endless Salona by I
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  Speaker 11: remember the sound of my daughter's voice through the door
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  Speaker 11: found to help in his side. I remember the triageans
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  Speaker 11: telling him to die at homestead.
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  Speaker 10: I remember talking on the phone to my brother in
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  Speaker 10: law and him describing.
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  Speaker 12: How, at the height of his battle with cold, he
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  Speaker 12: didn't know what's sent to me everything now, I remember
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  Speaker 12: the texture of the paint and the blood. The I
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  Speaker 12: remember scarcely soon the couple's down from the doorstep. There's
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  Speaker 12: thin weak body, and gone the face of my brother
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: after him during the ten days and hdu some what's.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Doane? The comments there is surreal.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: Hell yeah, that seems accurate. One of the things I
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: want to say as well about the Scottish version, And
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: I've got an article about this that The Times reported,
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: I believe this one from the Age of eighth of March,
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: where there's a Scottish Tory MSP who's Stephen Kerr, who's
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: really upset about the propaganda that's being displayed. And it's
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: created a bit of a political issue up here in
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: Scotland because basically it's saying that Scotland was showing the
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: S and P as being sort of the saviors and
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: neglected the UK's role in the pandemic. And never mind
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: the fact that you know, all of the propaganda itself,
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: and a quote from this article from this historiums P,
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: you know, he sort of said, well this this is
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: an obscene piece of nationalist ajit prop, deliberately distorting history
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: to fit a fake news agenda and called for its
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: contents to be reviewed urgently and Professor Richard enos the
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: chair of comdal Gendro, which of course is my committee.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: As I've said previously, and he's been on the news previously.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: He has written a review of the exhibition which is
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: on our common Al Agenda substack. You can read the
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: whole thing. It will be in the show notes. He
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: agrees with Stephen kerres You. Richard said in his review
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: that he encourages the keeper of the museum to question
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: whether a national museum should be showcasing an exhibition that
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: has been created and funded by charities allied to powerful
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: pharmaceutical business interests just for their desired message. The National
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: Museum of Scotland should not be presenting propaganda as science.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: And not to go too far into the details of
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: the funding, but it is important to note that it
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: basically was co funded by Welcome and the Whole Family Foundation.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: So Welcome is owned by Glasgow pharmaceutical company with a
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: huge investment portfolio, and the Whole Family Foundation has promoted
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: this as well. They belonged to the trustee the Whole Family. Jangho,
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: one of the trustees is the co founder of an
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: investment company called Capula Investment Management LLP, which is a
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: global investment company and they have offices worldwide. And prior
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: to founding Capula, you worked at JP Morgan. So when
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: I went into this exhibition, I was expecting to be
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: angry because using public money to promote propaganda, But I
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: left even angrier because I found out that basically it's
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: another public private partnership meant to increase the corporate corruption
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: that we see within the vaccine industry and everything else,
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: all the money that was made surrounding the pandemic.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Brian Dane, thank you very much. Many people in our
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: chat what's absolutely picked up on this for what it is.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: What you described it as is propaganda, really really disturbing
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and disgusting stuff. We're seeing this across the board. But Ben,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to take us in to hear how we've
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got another gaft of by effectively ultimately to shut down
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: free speech. Take us into it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Yes, Thank you, Diane, and thank you Brian. Two really
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: interesting segments to lead into this. Because it's all about
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: the story, right, Whoever tells the story rules, whoever controls
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: the narrative gets to dictate terms to the country. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: going to introduce you to a new term, which is
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: epistemic security. Comes from this organization, Demos think tank. We
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: talk about them all the time. They are champions of people,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: ideas and democracy underlined, very important, and they are really
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: calling the shots in terms of government policy right now.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: They actually brag in their own materials about being behind
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: policies that have been adopted by successive governments over the
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: past thirty years, whether that's conservative or Labor governments, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: they're really leading this change that we're seeing run out
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: across the country right now. They put out a huge
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: amount of material since the new Labor government came in
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: relating to public private partnerships, changes to inheritance tax, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: transformation of public services through devolution and digitization, all of
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: which ultimately is about putting more money into the coffers
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: of multinational corporations and more power into the hands of
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: the state. We've spoken about these reports previously, and Demos
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: itself is figured very heavily in column coverage over the years.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: It was founded by this guy, Sir Jeff Mulgan, former
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: editor of Marxism Today, currently affiliated with UCL in London.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: The Rockefeller Foundation also very close friend of Julian Middleton
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: from Common Purpose and still actively involved in the Demos ecosystem,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: and Demos itself is run by this lady poly Curtis,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: who is a former journalist who most recently was at
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Tortoise Media. And I will just reference this again. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: think this is important in the contest of what we're
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: talking about. When she was at Tortoise, she oversaw the
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: release of this podcast hoaxed in twenty twenty two about
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: the Satanic rich and abuse case in Hampstead in North London.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: And as you can guess by the title, this was
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: presented as a hoax, but it missed out key details
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: for medical reports showing that the children had actually been
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: sexually abused in the case. And I find that rather inexplicable,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: definitely negligent, maybe even a little bit suspicious Polly, to
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: be honest with you. And of course she's now issuing
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: reports about what they call epistemic security. This is a
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: new term. It's been introduced into the lexicon epistemic security
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty nine. This came out at the end of
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: February from Demos, fortifying the UK's information supply chain to
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: tackle the democratic emergency let's just open that up a
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: little bit, right, So epistemic not a word that gets
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: used on a daily basis, But what does it mean.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: It relates to knowledge or cognition. So this is our
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: ability to think and to understand reality. That's what they're
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: going after here. Security is ultimately about reinforcing the establishment
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: narrative and twenty twenty nine I think that's a direct
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: reference to the next UK general election. So that's what
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Demos are pushing for with this report, and if we
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: could just get that back up on screen quickly, fortifying,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: So that's a defensive action the information supply chain, which
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: is a very odd way to talk about information and
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: the creation of knowledge. It sounds like a manufactured industrial process, right,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: And then I'll get into that again in a minute.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: And this is how they sort of think about this stuff.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: It's very strange. And then they're talking about a democratic
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: emergency and to me, that suggests that they're scared they're
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: actually losing control of the narrative as we run into
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: not just the next general election in four years time,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: but actually you know today, tomorrow, this year, and they
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: need that narrative in place in order to get their
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: agenda rolling out they as they would like to. So
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: let's just have a quick look at the information supply chain.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: So this talks about the production, distribution, acquisition, evaluation of
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: information which is then used to inform decision making and
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: to coordinate action across society. And this process, this supply
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: chain map has been basically made up by one of
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: the academics who wrote the report, but that's now being
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: used to formulate policy because this stuff gets shared absolutely
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: everywhere across the political networks, across the major parties, across
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: the civil service, into academia. And apparently this process, this
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: supply chain desperately needs to be managed and controlled more
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: closely by the state. Ultimately, that's what all this ladders
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: up to, right, and that includes through mechanisms like the
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Online Safety Act. And we can show you how that
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: manifests actually because we've received at the column a rather
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: extensive set of questions, how many pages is it really good?
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: Cut?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Fifty sev we're into the eighties and nineties. This shows
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you what the average media organization is faced with under
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the incoming censorship rules from offcomon. Be under no doubt
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this is censorship or free speech. So many small organizations
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: will drown under this in the first instance, but ultimately
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: there's going to be more legislation to come and bend.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely on the trail of.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: This, yeah, exactly.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: And I've heard stories of numerous small media outlets, small
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: online communities basically, so we can't deal with this, We're
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: going to close, right, And this is all about driving
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: the populace ultimately into the arms of establishment media establishment
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: control technology platforms.
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: But apparently that's not enough.
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: So we've already got this that comes from the Online
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Safety Act. But according to this report Epistemic Security, UK
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: regulation fall short. One of the conclusions from page nineteen
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: is the UK has attempted to regulate online harms, but
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: its legislation falls short in addressing information threats. The UK's
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: Online Safety Act, ohso lacks comprehensive measures. This report was
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: actually issued before the Online Safety Act was even enacted. Yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: that happened in March. This was issued in February, So
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: they're kind of getting ahead of themselves a little bit here,
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: I think it would be fair to say. And obviously
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: all of this stuff's being done in the name of
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: protecting democracy, right, you know, So you've got unelected think
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: tanks funded by philanthropic wealth connected to organizations like the
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: World Economic Forumers we'll get into putting forward a policy
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: agenda supposedly to protect people and to protect democracy, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: it's really doing the absolute opposite. Where's it coming from? Crucially,
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: so there are a few acknowledgments in the report. We
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: can see there in the first paragraph. It references poly Curtis,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: who we talked about, William Perrin, who I'm going to
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: come back to in a moment, but then Professor Lawna Woods,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: me of Walsh, and Judith town End. So those three
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: ladies at the end, they're very difficult to find out
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: much information about who they are. You can't even find
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: images of May of Walsh and Larna Wads online. There's
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: something from this website, which is the Online Safety Act
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Network that they've established.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: What it tells us is that they're both connected to
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: an organization called Carnegie UK, which is a nonprofit. This
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: is a philanthropic fund which is focused on, amongst other things,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: producing legislation around what they call online safety. And interestingly,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: if you look at Lorna Woods's profile in the bottom right,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: we can see there then she actually received an OBE
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: for her influential work at Carnegie UK that underpinned the
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: UK government's Online Safety Act. So this woman, this individual academic,
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: her work paid for by that charity was used to
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: formulate the legislation, and that's where it's come from. It's
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: come from that individual, and they've established this network in
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: order to help organizations that are looking at the implementation
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: of the act. And let's have a little look at
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: some of these organizations here that are part of that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: So again it's a lot of nonprofits, anti Semitism charities,
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: the Center for Countering Digital Hate there on the left,
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: ending violence against women, so they're actually sort of redefine
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: the meaning of the word violence, which basically means you
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: can't disagree with women on the internet now apparently, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: obviously we're seeing lots more women going into public policy roles.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: It's all of these things are interconnected with each other
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: and they're all ultimately about shutting down debates. And then
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: this guy who I mentioned again before, this is William
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Perrying OBE. He paid for this report to be written,
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: so he's actually acknowledged as the man who paid for
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: the report personally, not from one of his organizations that
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: he's part of. She paid for himself. He's a former
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: policy advisor in Private Secretary Detoning Blair between two thousand
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: and one and two thousand and four. He's a trustee
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: of something called the Indigo Trust, which is his own
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: foundation I'm going to talk about next week. And they're
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: actively involved elsewhere in the media ecosystem. It's really important
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: to understand the scope of this or it's absolutely huge
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: what's happening in media at the moment. He's also a
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: trustee at Kindegie UK. He also received an OBE for
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: his work around the Online Safety Act and he was
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: personally instrumental in setting up Offcom in the first place.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: So again, this one individual unelected. No one really understands
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: what his background is, where he's come from. He's writing
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: the legislation, he's establishing the institutions which are being used
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: to attack organizations like the UK column and ultimately the
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: British people, and we have to understand it like that,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: and that's being done through official channels. So this all
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: is being overseen by Offcom, So the first thing you
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: see when you land on their website is enforcing the
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: online safety Obviously we're the picture of a teenager, a
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: young white man who can't hear things that Auntie doesn't
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: approve of. Basically, I think this is the general gist
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: of what we're hearing here. And who's Auntie so well,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Melanie Dawes. She's the chief exec she's been there since
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty. Was a civil servant before that at various
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: different departments, including workaround devolution and local government. She was
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: in the Cabinet Office for a number of years. And
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: also she was a patron of something called the Patchwork Foundation,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: which is another one of these non partisan, ie uniparty
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: organizations focused on the radical transformation of the country. Basically,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: I mean you're looking at the total transformation of the
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: nation demographically, politically, economically, and actually she's part of that
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: organization and I think we have to understand that that's
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: probably the agenda that's been pushed here. It's not an
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: agenda that is good for the British people. And interestingly,
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: they've just announced three new board members who are just
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: draw your attention to because I think in particularly their
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: connections are very important. The first one is this Natalie Black.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: She's Group Director of Networks and Communications, joined in December
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: last year from Cabinet Office. She's also visiting professor at
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: the LSSE. And importantly she is a young Global Leader
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: of the World Economic Forum. All right, so you've got
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: a young global leader of the World Economic Forum in
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: a top executive position working at Offcolm implementing this narrative
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: control agenda. Who else more World Economic Forum links via
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: tomorrowt Ingram, Deputy chair now of Offcomb again pointed in December.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: So she's a non executive Marshall McLennan, which is a
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: global professional services firm, which is also a World Economic
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Forum partner. There's a direct linked here again through tomorrow Ingram.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: She background in advertising. Interestingly, we used to share the
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: same boss, so she reported to a guy for a
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: short period of time who was then went on to
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: be my boss a few years later, and he has
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: some quite funny stories about her which I can't share
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: on air, but yeah, I thought that was an interesting connection.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: And then finally Lord Allen of Hallum, who's in the
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: new non executive off coom, who was before that the
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: vice president of public Policy at Facebook. So we spent
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: ten years at Facebook again, another World Economic Forum partner,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: big tech company, heavy sensors absolutely all over this censorship agenda,
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: working with organizations like Full Fact Through the Pandemic, that
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: kind of thing. And these are the people that have
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: been put in place at OFFCOM in order to control
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: our speech and to deliver an agenda that is basically
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: being controlled by philanthropy and think tanks. And it's got
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: absolutely nothing to do with protecting the best interests of
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: the country as far as I can tell, Thank.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: You very much, Benard. The key to stopping it is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: for people to understand what's being done, how it's being done,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and to expose it spread the word. And of course
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: if you believe in free speech, then offcom has got
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to be dealt with because of com objective as as
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: set out, and there's a lot more information to come.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Offcoms objective is to clamp down on free speech so
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that the only information the public get is effectively government propaganda.
• 40:16
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• 40:17
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  Speaker 1: to other people who are active and Diane, this conference
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is coming up, tell us a little bit about it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Brian, this conference is called What's Wrong with Sex Education?
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: All Children, All ages are Schools. It will be in
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: Lisburne and Northern Ireland in just a few days, in
• 42:23
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• 42:27
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• 42:29
  Speaker 9: by saying Friday, is that lisburn is Mike Robinson's hometown.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: So if you've ever wanted to see where Mike Robinson
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: is from, then you should also go to the conference.
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: We don't know everything about the conference, but what I
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: do know is that it's been promoted by Hugh McCarthy,
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: who I've been working with recently. We had an interview
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: with him last week on sexualization and in doctrination in
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: schools in Northern Ireland and he's really informed on this
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: topic and he's also writing a three part series of
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: articles for US so parts one and two already out
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: in writing and part three will be published next week.
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: There's a number of things that are important about this conference,
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: including the fact that they will be talking about the
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: specific rights that parents have in Northern Ireland about their
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: children can experience through the curriculum or not, which is
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: unique to Northern Ireland. We don't have it, and the
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: rest of the devolve nations. So definitely other people getting
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: out there and doing things and it's good to see
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: that happening.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, Dane, thank you very much for that. And also
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: interview going out at one o'clock tomorrow is with Catherine
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Austin Fitt. Of course, Katherine done a huge amount of
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: work on all sorts of subjects around the deep state
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and essentially what is coming into place around the rules
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: based international order, so very very knowledgeable lady, and I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: sure that's going to be a really great interview.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Diane.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I think it comes back to you and the terrible
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: subject of smart meters or maybe not so smart meters.
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: No, unfortunately it looks like they're pretty stupid. Actually, Brian,
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: if you were wrote in that go to ask by.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: We haven't covered smart meters on UK column and we
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: have if you search UK column dot org. There's been
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: a variety of written and video reports related to smart meters,
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: but I think because there's so much going on, it's
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: worth some updates and I did some deeper research as well.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: So the first thing to note is that the energy
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: price cap is going up tomorrow in the first of April.
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: According to the BBC, the annual bill FRA household using
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: a typical amount of gas and electricity will go up
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: to one eight and forty nine pounds per year, which
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: is an increase of one hundred and eleven pounds. The
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: energy price caps sets the next amount of customers can
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: be charged for each unit of energy, but actual bills
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: depend on how much you actually use. So that's just
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: for people who might not be in the UK. So
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: that you understand what's happening. So off JEM, which is
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: the electricity and gas regulator in the UK, and the BBC,
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: they're all telling us in the UK that the way
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: to save money on your energy bills is to make
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: sure that we are complying with their demands to have
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: the smart meter installed in our homes and then everything
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: will be better. However, there are a lot of problems
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: going on with smart meters. They are meant to of
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: course send gas electricity consumption data to the suppliers and
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: display it to the consumers, so there's a back and
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: forth which is supposed to promote the consumers to help
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: them track their energy usage and cut their use. However,
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: smart meters were first of all mandated by Ed miliband
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: back in two thousand and eight when you first tell
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: the post of Energy Secretary. So they've been rolling these
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: out for seventeen years, but the whole time has been
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: full of technical failures, reluctance to adopt them by people
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: in their houses. Just very recent reports the last few days,
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: for example, the East Anglian Daily Times said that certain
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: electricity smart meters have been recalled. There's information about their
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: recall on the UK dot gov website. They've been recalled
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: because they present their risk or of fire or electric shocks,
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: and so there is information there. Please take a look
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: at our website on the show notes to make sure
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: that you do not have one of these in your house,
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: and if you do, get it out right away. The
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: Telegraphs said on Friday that millions of households could be
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: lined up for payouts from the energy supplier for faulty
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: smart meters underd rules set under by the energy regulator,
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: which is which I will come back to in just
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: a minute if they're broken. Said, if you have a
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: broken smart meter in your house and it's not fixed
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: within ninety days, you will soon be able to claim
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: forty pounds compensation for the supplier. According to a GM,
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: the change means that millions may soon be able to
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: claim because there's a lot of people having these problems,
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: and official figures are saying that up to this might
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: be up to three point five millions. Smart meters have
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: so called gon dumb and that's the words because they
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: have lost their ability to send the usage information back
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: back and forth between the suppliers and the consumers. So
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: with that many there might be a long way for
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: your forty pounds if you have a faulty smart meter.
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: So back in January, the BBC send out a warning
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: to people who have an older type of meter and
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: saying that they will need to replace it with a
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: smart meter. So let's watch this clip from January.
• 46:51
  Speaker 13: What do we need to do then, Yes, this is
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: a warning from the regulator off jam telling people with
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: a certain type of old meter. I should stress it's
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: not all old meters, but certain types of old meters.
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: If they have one of those in particular, they need
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: to get in touch with their supplier and switch before June.
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: Let me explain the details for you. Yes, this is
• 47:10
  Speaker 13: all about older meters that look like these. In particular,
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: if you're on a tariff like Economy seven, Economy ten,
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: or others that have different rates at various times of
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: the day, they run using something called the radio teleswitch service.
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: It's basically a signal that's broadcast to energy firms and
• 47:29
  Speaker 13: it allows these meters to switch between peak and off
• 47:33
  Speaker 13: peak rates, or turn your heating or hot water.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: On and off.
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: But the equipment is old and it's hard to maintain,
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: so the signal is being switched off. This was originally
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: meant to happen last March. That deadline has now been
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: extended to this June. The thing is there are still
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: six hundred thousand households and businesses using these old meters,
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: and the message is you need to switch before June
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: or you're risk losing your heating and hot water.
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: So if you don't switch your meter, you're not going
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: to live very long. It doesn't sound that way. So
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: it's really interesting and important to look at how these
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: actually are working in the background. So Often has explained
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: on their website that the Data Communications Company or DCC
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: is a monopoly company. They admit that it's monopoly. It
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: operates under the Smart Meter Communications License, which is regulated
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: by off GYM. DCC is part of Capita, which is
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: an international business process outsourcing company based in London, so
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: private public private partnership again. The DCC is responsible for
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: linking smart meters and homes and small businesses with energy suppliers,
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: network operators, and energy service companies. According to Often, DCC
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: is needed to ensure that the smart meters system as
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: a whole works smoothly and that the enduring and full
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: benefits of smart meters are realized. So how exactly does
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: this work? Here's a clip from the GCC's website explaining
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: it for.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: A year.
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: The network operates to the highest security standards in Europe.
• 49:07
  Speaker 14: It's endorsed by the National Cyber Security Center, part of GCHQ,
• 49:12
  Speaker 14: and operates entirely separately from the potential pitfalls of the
• 49:16
  Speaker 14: public Internet. So how does it work? Every time? Energy
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: is used or generated in homes with smart meters, they
• 49:27
  Speaker 14: turn it into a packet of data. The data is
• 49:31
  Speaker 14: securely wrapped using two layers of encryption. A communications hub
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: creates a home area network to receive the data from
• 49:40
  Speaker 14: the smart meters. The hub transmits the data to an
• 49:44
  Speaker 14: in home display which shows how much energy is being
• 49:47
  Speaker 14: used or sold back to the grid. The data is
• 49:52
  Speaker 14: then transmitted from the home to a wide area network
• 49:55
  Speaker 14: of mobile phone or radio masks. From these to the
• 49:59
  Speaker 14: decail servers. The DCC never sees or keeps the data.
• 50:05
  Speaker 14: It transports it securely straight to energy suppliers to access.
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: They decrypt it so they can build consumers accurately. The
• 50:14
  Speaker 14: detailed consumption data also helps the whole system make the
• 50:19
  Speaker 14: best use of energy, keeping the lights on and supporting
• 50:23
  Speaker 14: Britain's net zero goals.
• 50:27
  Speaker 15: Diane, Diane, I got to say all I wanted was
• 50:33
  Speaker 15: a cup of tea. But apparently apparently I got to
• 50:36
  Speaker 15: send my meter back and I've got to contact GCHQ
• 50:40
  Speaker 15: in order to understand the digital transfer in order to
• 50:43
  Speaker 15: boil the kettle. This is utter madness on the nation.
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: Absolutely it is, and so I guess we can I
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: don't know. If you want to stage a protests over
• 50:54
  Speaker 9: the weekend, we can do that. That will be convenience.
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: But I have some more details from the government to
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: show you exactly what's going on in the background. They
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: just recently updated its policy report which is called Clean
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: Power twenty thirty Action Plan, a New Era of clean Electricity.
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: It's said that something called market wide half hourly settlements
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: is a key enabler for the retail market, making its
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: timely delivery critical for the twenty thirty target. This is
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: led by off Gym. It will change the landscape because
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: consumers will be able to take advantage of the system
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: to get lower bills. And additionally, the smart meter rollout
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: is critical for unlocking the innovative approaches to managing demand
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: and will enable this successful delivery, whatever this means. It
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: also said that the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero,
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: so that's ed miliband AGAN, is working with off Gem
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: to guarantee new standards of performance relating to smart meters
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: this year. This may include standards relating to installation and
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: maintenance compensations. So going back to some of what I
• 51:52
  Speaker 9: addressed earlier, actions to remove barriers to smart meter adoption.
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: They admit and the report that this will require a
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: lot of infrastructure in the next few years, and almost
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: all of it will be provided by private companies. They
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: also said, however, they were optimistic it will work out
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: because direct quote, the work of the Vaccine's task force
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: during the pandemic demonstrated what can be achieved when tight, focused,
• 52:14
  Speaker 9: strong direction of full collaboration come together. So last week
• 52:18
  Speaker 9: there were messages coming out an often through X On Friday,
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: for example, they said, we are proposing faster smart meter
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: installations and better compensation for in activity issues. New rules
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: could mean quicker appointments and swift fixes for reported problems.
• 52:31
  Speaker 9: These proposed new rules include shorter wait time for installation,
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: compensation for failled installation, quicker fixes if the customer has
• 52:39
  Speaker 9: a problem. So you know, all these are things that
• 52:41
  Speaker 9: they're saying will be part of the proposal. Now, going
• 52:44
  Speaker 9: back to twenty nineteen, looking at the cost benefit analysis
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: smart meter rollout, which is coming from the Department for Business,
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: Energy Industrial Strategy, we can see here on this figure
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: that was taken from the report that the smart meta
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: programs literally costing us as British taxpayers millions of billions
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: of pounds. Actually. This report said, however, that the smart
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: leaders will unlock a smarter and more flexible energy system
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: for homes and businesses are cross Britain and provide a
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: key contribution to the aims of the government to reduce
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: carbon emissions to net zero by twenty fifty. They will
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: also play an increasingly important role beyond the end of
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: the appraisal period. For example, the Comadian Climate Change estimates
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: that without this flexibility, where smart viewers are a key
• 53:26
  Speaker 9: part of delivering the flexible energy system and at zero,
• 53:29
  Speaker 9: the cost of reaching net zero by twenty fifty would
• 53:32
  Speaker 9: be up to sixteen billion per annum. Hire they need
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: to make sure that we're going to buy in this,
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: so not to worry. There's a way that they're handling this.
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: There is an organization for that called smart ENERGYGB. Smart
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: Energy GB's nonprofit that is there to help us the
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: apparently stupid British public who won't buy the smart meters
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: according to those who want us to have them, to
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: understand why smart meters are such a benefit to us
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: into the country. Now, going back to twenty sixteen, they
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: had a report called a Smart to Change the application
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: of behavioral science in supporting Great Britain's smart meter rollout
• 54:06
  Speaker 9: and changing the way we use energy for the better.
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: I had to go back to the wayback machine to
• 54:11
  Speaker 9: find this, and I had originally found it linked by
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: an article that Martin Edwards wrote in twenty twenty in
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: a UK column article called Behavioral Insights the second team
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: leading the UK government's COVID nineteen response. The report says
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: that Smart Energy TB was established in twenty thirteen and
• 54:27
  Speaker 9: this plan established the central place that behavioral science holds
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: the heart of Smart energygb's approach and the campaign that
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: we have developed and are executing as the voice of
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: the smart meter rollout. It's said that they are tackling
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: the task of changing human behavior, especially in these situations
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: where there's a careful balance to be struck between individual
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: autonomy and public good and even controversy as to what
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: is or is not in the interest of community and
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: society as a whole. The cited research that found that
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: eighty percent of people who already have a smart meter
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: have taken at least one step change something about their
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: energy use, so that's good news for them. Apparently, they
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: reviewed a few different approaches to behavioral change including one
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: that was actually originally written by Professor Susan Mitchee where
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: do we know that name from before, which she was
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: involved in developing. But then they decided on a different
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: one called mind Space, which Brian, you've been covering since
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty, which they said was finally the best approach
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: to changing behavior related to smart meters. So the slide
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: from the approach that talks about applying mind Space, it's
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: called a smart approach, where you know, taking the different
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: steps through how people might potentially work to adapt these
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: smart meters, what to do. There's different ways to use
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: mind Space that they suggested. One was called Messenger, which
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: involves children. Once a term there is dedicated school time
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: where children learn about the importance of smart meters and
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: conserving energy through specially designed resources. They will be given
• 55:56
  Speaker 9: a take home pack with practical hints and tips to
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: encourage them to put but they've learned into practice at
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: home and get the rest of the family involved. Another
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: one is called Incentive, which is basically every home that
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: has a smart meter you get put into a prize draw.
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: So that's really exciting. So you get a smart medi
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: your house might blow up from the smart meter, but
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: you might win a prize, maybe you'll get a bottle
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: of wine. It'd be great, so very exciting. Their twenty
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: twenty five Consumer Engagement Plan and Budget says that their
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: budget is thirty eight three million pounds to spend on
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: applied behavioral psychology and it's to make sure that we
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: comply with these demands to use smart meters. So we
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: talked about rewards, energy flexibility, reassurance campaigns to basically say
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: that they don't believe anything that consumers might believe, and
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: they've got thirteen reasons why we should get smart meters,
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: which include all of these things about tackling climate change,
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: reducing your impact on the environment, reducing Briton's dependency and
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: energy from overseas and so on. But of course, ultimately
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: this really does go back to Agenda twenty thirty Sustainable
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: Development Goals, Clean Energy Plan. We have an article here
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: that was well, this is actually a presentation that was
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: given at the UN in by an academic a few
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: years ago in twenty eighteen, and she basically said SDG seven,
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: that's the one about energy is an enabling factor for
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: sustainable development. She said that in particular, this can enable
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: several different SDGs six, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, and thirteen
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: if that means anything to anybody, And we can see
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: she believes that implementing Agenda twenty thirty will be helped
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: by encouraging people to be more energy independent because of
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: course the smart feers will make a success over energy use.
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: And we also see from the World Economic Forum from
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: January twenty twenty there's a report called the Impact of
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: five D Creating New Value across Industries and Society. It
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: discussed the Fourth Industrial Revolution, said that five D will
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: be critical to enable unprecedented levels of connectivity of creating
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: four gen networks with functional drivers. And that's all includes
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: smart meters, the smart grids, smart energy manic management, smart
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: street lighting, electric vehicles, and finally drone monitoring capabilities. So
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: I guess the drones will make sure that we've got
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: our sprint meters and then what happens from there we
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: don't know, but that's what's going on, Brian.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I'll just pause for twenty seconds because of course you're
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: describing more madness. Six hundred thousand doff meters in place,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: but apparently they're going to change them all. By June
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. And what is all this about. Well,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of course it's those sustainable development goals which are clearly
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: evident that they're unsustainable. But we'll do more on this
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: in due course, because understanding what's being done is the
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: key to stopping it, along with saying no, we don't
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: want this, johnk in our homes. Let's move at the
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: end of the news ben to well a local area
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: where there's good things taking place and we can also
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: see people standing up to be counted.
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: Yes, I did what Diane does. I went in a
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: little trip on an outing. I went to Totness on Saturday,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: jumped on the train over to East Deven at a
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: lovely time, and I went to meet a man who
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: lives in a food forest and he actually feeds himself
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: with food that he picks from the garden that he's
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: created around his dwelling, and that's what he eats and
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: that's how he exists. It's amazing like people are actually
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: doing this stuff at a micro level, and there's some
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: bigger stuff going on too, because also happening in Totness
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: is this thing running. So this is a similar setup.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: This is another food forest in the Dartington estate at
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: Dartington House, and basically it's been running for about thirty
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: years and everything from the tree canopy to the undergrowth
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: is edible.
• 59:50
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: That's the guy he founded it, Martin Crawford. This is
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: not the guy I met, by the way. This is
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: the sort of slightly more upscaleed establishment version of what
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: I was talking about. The game that we want to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: play is to live in a state of perpetual symbiosis
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: with the land and to get away from this kind
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: of monocrop industrialized monocrop model that we've currently got for agriculture. Right,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: And it's probably fair to say that where we're going
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: to end up or where we should end up as
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: a balance between the two. But this organization at Dartington
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: has been doing some fantastic work to experiment in this
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: area for about thirty years. So obviously what Dartington are
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: going to do in the face of that is to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: cancel that program, because you know, why invest thirty years
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: of time and energy in building something like that when
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: you could just cancel it, you know. And this was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: in The Guardian a couple of weeks ago, from the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: nineteenth of March. So the Pioneer neeering Devin Food Forest
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: Garden has been at risk after the land owner inexplicably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: serves notice on it. Right, So who is the landowner
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: who's running Dartington? Well this is interesting, So let's look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: at the trustees. We've got Lord Treesman who's the chair
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  Speaker 6: of trustee. He's been there since twenty twenty two. He's
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  Speaker 6: a maoist and was a member of the Communist Party
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  Speaker 6: in the seventies and then he ran number ten for
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  Speaker 6: Tony Blair. So it's a big time labor guy, communist
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  Speaker 6: maoist canceling programs that yeah, fit production. You know, there's
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  Speaker 6: a trend emerging here, I think, you know, Oh look,
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  Speaker 6: isn't that surprising? And he actually said Dartington. This is
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  Speaker 6: a quote from him at the bottom. Dartington's contribution to
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  Speaker 6: a just and sustainable future is legendary. What's Dartington known
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  Speaker 6: for is something to do with the.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a very as far as I know, but
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  Speaker 1: it's got a very dark history. It's been involved in
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of strange political things and was home of
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  Speaker 1: spies many years ago. Kim Philby and Ran visited. And
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  Speaker 1: there's some very very strange politics around.
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  Speaker 6: And Kim Philby, and that was there colluding with the Russians,
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  Speaker 6: with the communists, right, that was the.
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  Speaker 3: Whole thinglutely absolutely right. But that's interesting. I believe I
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  Speaker 3: may be incorrect on this.
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  Speaker 1: I believe the Young Foundation or people involved with the
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  Speaker 1: Young Foundation have also been involved with it. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of very interesting and strange history around Dartington. But
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  Speaker 1: clearly they believe in sustainability as long as it's the
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  Speaker 1: correct sustainability.
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  Speaker 6: Well quite quite and then a few more trust thees.
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  Speaker 6: You've got this chap here, Chris Moore who's a PwC partner,
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  Speaker 6: World Economic Forum partner, and then Peter Goldsborough on the
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  Speaker 6: right hand side. He was the top top guy at
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  Speaker 6: BCG in London for about forty years, right, and again
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  Speaker 6: World Economic Forum partner. So you've got this really odd
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  Speaker 6: mix of hardline communists and multinational corporates coming together to
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  Speaker 6: suppress our ability to be self reliant and to live
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  Speaker 6: off the land. It's really quite remarkable, isn't it.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 6: Luckily there has been a huge backlash against this, not
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  Speaker 6: least from the local community in Totness, and there was
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  Speaker 6: some good news yesterday. It came out that it's confirmed
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  Speaker 6: that the lease has been secured at least until it
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  Speaker 6: ends in three and a half years, right, So that's
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  Speaker 6: good news for now, but it's still up for debate
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  Speaker 6: and with the trustees as to what's going to happen next,
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  Speaker 6: So we'll keep our eye on this. And there's also
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  Speaker 6: some great work going on at a grassroots level on
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  Speaker 6: the street and I met this amazing crew of people
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  Speaker 6: on the main street in Totness who are there every
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  Speaker 6: Saturday giving out copies of the Light paper, sharing good information.
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  Speaker 6: They've been in a running battle with the council for
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  Speaker 6: the past few years, who've been coming up and trying
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  Speaker 6: to unlawfully shut them down and basically serving them with
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  Speaker 6: illegal notices that you know, haven't been signed and aren't
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  Speaker 6: addressed to anyone, and basically just trying to stop them
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  Speaker 6: from operating. And they're doing a fantastic job, so kudos
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  Speaker 6: to you. And also I had the pleasure of meeting
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  Speaker 6: Jason Leosartos as well, who's been doing some great work
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  Speaker 6: and hopefully we'll be able to speak to him in
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  Speaker 6: a few weeks and maybe can record an interview or something.
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  Speaker 6: But thank you everyoney top nice for having me it
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  Speaker 6: was a great day on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: More to come and thank you very much. And what
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  Speaker 1: this shows is that if you get out there and
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  Speaker 1: start to do something, you can have an effect. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're going to end on a couple of quick little
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  Speaker 1: images here. This one was sent to me. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know whether the quote is true, but I couldn't resist it. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: Harry S. Truman, you can't get rich in politics unless
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  Speaker 1: you're a crook. And Diane, I think you've got the
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  Speaker 1: last image for today's news. Let's pop it up on screen.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot of people on the left in America
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  Speaker 9: are really worrying about the fact that Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 9: his administration is looking at the Department of Education. And
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  Speaker 9: the question is, what under earth will we do without
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  Speaker 9: the Department of Education and all of these trans flags
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  Speaker 9: and rainbow flags and mask wearing teachers. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: what's going to happen to the schools in America if
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  Speaker 9: this goes away. Brian, I don't know. I'm a bit worried.
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  Speaker 1: How about you, I'm certainly very worried. Let's end there
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