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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-6-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Heavy Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. So happy to
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: be back with you, Happy to be back in the
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  Speaker 2: US of A on a game day for the US
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  Speaker 2: men's national team. We're extending the patriotic weekend after Fourth
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  Speaker 2: of July fireworks shows. Hopefully you had a good family
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  Speaker 2: barbecue and some fun yesterday and now we get to
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  Speaker 2: tackle on one more day where we are all US.
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  Speaker 1: Men's national team fans.
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  Speaker 2: We are all defenders of the decision to reverse the
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  Speaker 2: red card of Flow and let him play.
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  Speaker 1: We are at full strength against Belgium, baby, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, all I know is that when it's usas versus
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  Speaker 2: Belgium in full strength, well, actually don't know much about that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that we have a long and storied
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  Speaker 2: rivalry as two great nations.
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  Speaker 3: So I will say this twenty fourteen, Belgium is the
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  Speaker 3: team that eliminated the US and Kyle Beckerman US and
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  Speaker 3: I'm still not over it.
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  Speaker 1: James.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so in the round of sixteen, so we we
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  Speaker 3: played Belgium in the exact same part of the tournament.
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  Speaker 3: You know, obviously there's one more knockout round game here,
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  Speaker 3: but the exact same round twelve years ago. So there's
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  Speaker 3: that history there. There was a friendly in March where
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  Speaker 3: Belgium just destroyed US five to.
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  Speaker 1: Two, not that friendly unfortunately.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's maybe not a rivalry, but there's some
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  Speaker 3: history between them.
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  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it every day for the last
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  Speaker 2: twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: The last time Belgium eliminated US.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that was the game famous famously around here anyway,
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  Speaker 3: that Kyle Beckerman did not get in the game and
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  Speaker 3: lose by a goal, and a lot of us around
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  Speaker 3: here were saying put him in changes down, don't you
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  Speaker 3: put the captain in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you put the RSL captain in a I was.
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  Speaker 2: Actually a little I was worried that part of the
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  Speaker 2: narrative in this tournament was going to be all this
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  Speaker 2: team is struggling to score, this team is struggling for
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  Speaker 2: a little change of pace, this team is struggling to
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  Speaker 2: have somebody that's unpredictable, and so we would have all
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: these reasons to be like griping against the emission of
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  Speaker 2: Diego Luna. So far, so good in the tournament, and
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  Speaker 2: you certainly hopeful that that doesn't rear its ugly head tonight.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: But man, what a fascinating week of sports. Look a
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  Speaker 2: little inside baseball here. If you're gonna if you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: go to Wimbledon, right, if you're gonna take some days
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  Speaker 2: off for leisurely purposes, usually fourth of July week in
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  Speaker 2: sports is like, you're kinda safe because there's not gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a ton of crazy stuff going on. We had
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  Speaker 2: a ton of crazy stuff going on this past week.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm probably a phone into my own
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  Speaker 2: show or something here. We had some fascinating results at Wimbledon.
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  Speaker 2: You had last night and on Saturday night two of
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  Speaker 2: the most memorable soccer games that all of us Bandwagon
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  Speaker 2: fans have been able to see for I don't know ever.
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  Speaker 2: You had these incredible, dramatic storylines of Cape Verd going
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  Speaker 2: toe to toe and slugging it out with mighty Argenta,
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  Speaker 2: with their forty year old goalkeeper flashing.
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  Speaker 1: And having some incredible moments.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a couple he would like back in
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  Speaker 2: that game against Argentina as well. You get, of course,
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  Speaker 2: a controversial red card taking flow Balagan out of the game,
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  Speaker 2: or so we thought. And now Team USA at the
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  Speaker 2: center of what is a controversial topic in World Soccer
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  Speaker 2: in FIFA Football, Sep Bladder, who is effectively like Emperor
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  Speaker 2: Palpatine from Star Wars, took to his social media and
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  Speaker 2: was just like, this is corrupt. I can't the most
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  Speaker 2: corrupt official we have ever seen, maybe in any sports
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  Speaker 2: organization criticizing what FIFA is doing because of course there's
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  Speaker 2: a political bent to it, and now there's all of
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  Speaker 2: these like different ways that you can either.
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  Speaker 3: And because he's not involved, let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Because nobody wrote him a big fat check because this
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  Speaker 2: time there's no Katari sultan giving him millions and millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars to look the other way on things. And
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  Speaker 2: of course it's put the United States and specifically United
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  Speaker 2: States Soccer in kind of this like defensive posture, because
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  Speaker 2: while it's not without precedent, it is abnormal for a
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  Speaker 2: red card to be overturned, for the red card ruling
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  Speaker 2: to be suspended, and for the player who was kicked
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  Speaker 2: out of the last game to not have to sit
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  Speaker 2: out this game. Obviously, you get resets as you advance
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  Speaker 2: out of pool play into elimination games and so forth
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  Speaker 2: in World Cup soccer, but the reality of the situation
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  Speaker 2: is most of us probably all of us headed into
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  Speaker 2: the weekend thinking like, man, we're gonna have to beat
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  Speaker 2: Belgium without arguably our best player in this tournament, the
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  Speaker 2: guy who's played the best in this World Cup tournament.
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  Speaker 1: He's we're gonna have to get through without him.
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  Speaker 2: And of course the rallying cries the next man up,
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  Speaker 2: the cliche stuff that you get in every sport.
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  Speaker 1: It was all there.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone was saying the right things, but you thought, ah, man,
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  Speaker 2: we're not gonna We're not gonna have him, and instead
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  Speaker 2: Oval Office makes a phone call. By the way, is
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  Speaker 2: this is this like the craziest run of white House
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  Speaker 2: influence on sports we have seen maybe ever. You have
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  Speaker 2: an actual sporting event on the White House lawn, guys
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  Speaker 2: walking out of the Oval Office for their fights, and
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later you got phone calls going
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  Speaker 2: to FIFA like hey, what can we do about this
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  Speaker 2: allegedly and FIFA being like, well, yeah, it was actually
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  Speaker 2: a bad call, which which is where I think we
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  Speaker 2: all probably we all I certainly ned out on this,
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  Speaker 2: being like it's actually hyper rare in sports that justice
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  Speaker 2: be served and that a correction be made on a
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  Speaker 2: BS call.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just just so everyone's clear on it. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to serve this one game suspension. They they're just allowed
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  Speaker 3: to delay it a year, which so so it doesn't matter, and.
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  Speaker 2: That it's it's it's a lot like how Brendan Soresby
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  Speaker 2: was going to serve a two game suspension.
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  Speaker 3: For Texas Tech. It's very Tom Brady to flate gate.
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  Speaker 3: We we just caught you right now after during the
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  Speaker 3: AFC Championship game. But you you're not going to miss
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  Speaker 3: the super Bowl. Don't worry about that. Christiano Ronaldo, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, benefited from has benefited from this. In this tournament.
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  Speaker 3: He he was suspended for red a red card. I
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  Speaker 3: believe it was anyway, I could be wrong on that,
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  Speaker 3: but it was. He had a three match suspension and
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  Speaker 3: FIFA decided to make it an immediate one match suspension.
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  Speaker 3: He only had one more friendly left before the World
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  Speaker 3: Cup Portugal did they said, okay, you're suspended for that friendly.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to serve the other two a year from
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  Speaker 3: now so that you don't miss the World Cup. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So this is you, like you said, not without president.
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  Speaker 3: It is feels pretty unprecedented in this in this specific
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  Speaker 3: context though.
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  Speaker 2: Leo Messi We've done this with Leo Messi, where Leo
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  Speaker 2: Messi has done stuff he's not supposed to do. But
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  Speaker 2: what you can't afford if your FIFA, if you're MLS,
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  Speaker 2: if you're Champions League, if you're whoever, you can't afford
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  Speaker 2: on these big stages to have Leo Messi and Christiano
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  Speaker 2: Ronaldo out. That's why that decision is made in their favor.
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  Speaker 2: Flo Balagu is not one of these guys. He absolutely isn't.
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  Speaker 2: But he's not a guy that you have to you
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  Speaker 2: have you can't like if it was Harry Kane, if
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  Speaker 2: it was Holland, if it was Messy, if it was
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  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo, if it's killing and then this conversation is
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: drastically different because everyone's just kind of like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't like France without Bape yikes, Messy
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  Speaker 2: with Archisita without Messy yikes. And people are like clamoring
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  Speaker 2: for a way to get that guy back in the game.
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  Speaker 2: And if a decision like this comes down, I think
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of us just kind of shrug our
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  Speaker 2: shoulders and we say, hey, Lebron James gets special treatment,
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  Speaker 2: Leo Messi get special treatment. This one is different because
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  Speaker 2: and I think I think it's going I think it
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  Speaker 2: elevates soccer by itself in the United States, where you're
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  Speaker 2: at the center of a controversy, and make no mistake,
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  Speaker 2: it is very much US versus the world. Already, it
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like, hey, the United States is doing
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  Speaker 2: a great job hosting this World Cup. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kumbai Ya, there's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of like, this is awesome. Have a decent team this year.
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  Speaker 2: Americans aren't so bad. And look these guys, this plucky team.
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  Speaker 2: They're actually doing better than we thought they would. Holy cow,
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  Speaker 2: they got some scoring here a wow, this Poachatino guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's really changed some things. We like this team all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, and now we're the bad guys. And
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  Speaker 2: now I mean I was I was watching in England,
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  Speaker 2: watching World Cup coverage in England late night. You know,
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  Speaker 2: your clocks all out of whack because you're overseas.
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  Speaker 1: We hit some Wimbledon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching two in the morning, watching like their panel shows, right,
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  Speaker 2: their studio shows the same backdrops, but just different people
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  Speaker 2: and obviously a much more veteran, seasoned, culturally ingrained type
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  Speaker 2: of attitude towards soccer in England. Right, and the coverage
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  Speaker 2: was different and it was fascinating to watch. It was
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to see they speak differently. Their cadence is different,
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  Speaker 2: the way that they criticize players and coaches, and everything's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different in the British podcasting style. I
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  Speaker 2: flew back home before this ruling came down. I would
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  Speaker 2: be desperate to sit and watch the BBC coverage of this, because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this World Cup while we have jumped on
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  Speaker 2: the bandwagon and suddenly it's the most meaningful thing in
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  Speaker 2: American sport. If we're being honest with ourselves, if this
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  Speaker 2: was happening in August or September, these stadiums would be
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  Speaker 2: half empty because all of us would be like, it's
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  Speaker 2: football season. It's American football season, right, everyone else, this
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  Speaker 2: is their thing. They've all got their catch phrases. England
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: beating Mexico last night was a scary, scary game for England.
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  Speaker 2: Tragic ending to this incredible World Cup for Mexico. Really
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  Speaker 2: tough to see. Shout out to our connoisseur media folks
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  Speaker 2: here in the building. I think probably a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people took the day off today to mourn potentially Mexico
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  Speaker 2: being ousted. USA being in this thing, and now USA
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  Speaker 2: being a team that everyone wants to see beat because
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  Speaker 2: of this controversy changes the whole soccer thing in the
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  Speaker 2: United States. I already said this, this is a repetitive
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  Speaker 2: storyline on my show in the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, this World Cup is going to change
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  Speaker 2: the way we relate to soccer in the United States
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  Speaker 2: of America.
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  Speaker 1: And it was true then from.
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  Speaker 2: A purely positive, a purely fun standpoint. Now this is
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  Speaker 2: the most American thing that we can jump on board
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  Speaker 2: with us against the world is a very very American
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  Speaker 2: stance for a competition.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Phelps watching everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Say, oh, I cannot wait to beat the Americans, the
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  Speaker 2: arrogant Americans. I can't stand the American arrogance and him
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  Speaker 2: retired from competition. Be like, I'm showing this to every
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: member of the US swimming team. I'm showing this to
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  Speaker 2: every member of the Olympic contingent period. There's just something
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  Speaker 2: in it, right, And now Belgium and their football federation
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  Speaker 2: has put out some long word salad just like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe this is happening. This is completely unfair, It's
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  Speaker 2: totally unprecedented. It's totally terrible, this is corrupt, this is stupid.
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  Speaker 2: No Belgium, you don't want to play us at full strength. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this to.
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  Speaker 3: Full Balligan obviously is not a household name in world soccer.
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  Speaker 3: He's becoming one, I think, especially with this controversy. But
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  Speaker 3: even aside from this controversy, just with his play, he's
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  Speaker 3: starting to become one. But with the US being the
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  Speaker 3: host country, that's why he gets the Rinaldo treatment, That's
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  Speaker 3: why he gets the messy treatment, That's why he gets
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  Speaker 3: the embape treatment, even though he is far lesser player,
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  Speaker 3: far less of a player than those and those incredible superstars.
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  Speaker 3: Uh US is the host country, and when the President
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  Speaker 3: of the United States makes a call to the president
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  Speaker 3: of FIFA, he has to listen, right. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: like I don't like the process. I don't like the Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I got cut from the team so my dad yells
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  Speaker 3: at the coach kind of thing. None of us like that.
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  Speaker 3: But the call, the the red card was unjust. It's
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  Speaker 3: been corrected. And I heard a lot of people over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend say oh, or in the last yesterday and
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  Speaker 3: and and this morning say oh, is there an should
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  Speaker 3: there be an asterisk next.
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  Speaker 1: To this if if USA wins, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, they are letting us field our the
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  Speaker 3: team full strength. We win, we're gonna feel like it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a win, whether this ruling happened or not
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  Speaker 3: like and that's how it.
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  Speaker 1: Should be flow.
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  Speaker 2: Baaligan's name is now going to go down in the
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  Speaker 2: annals of sports history one way or another based on
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  Speaker 2: results tonight whatever. I want a Balligan rule. I want
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  Speaker 2: a Balligan Mulligan. I want I want this to exist
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  Speaker 2: in every sport where and especially from an ejection standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: where an unjust ejection. You've got the batphone to the
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  Speaker 2: White House or the equivalent thereof, and you say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that targeting penalty that took John new Hall out of
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: the second half against BYU in a conference championship game,
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  Speaker 2: I need that reversed. Now you have it's halftime. I
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  Speaker 2: need it reversed. I need him back in this game.
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  Speaker 2: I need the FIFA president to be manning that phone,
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  Speaker 2: whoever is there that is willing to look at these
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  Speaker 2: things from a not letter of the law standpoint and
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: spirit of the law of this thing, where you're just
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  Speaker 2: like man that actually that was a bad call, and
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  Speaker 2: we could live with that bad call, because everyone else
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  Speaker 2: in sports has always had to live with these bad calls,
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  Speaker 2: and we could say that's just them's the breaks, that's
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  Speaker 2: just how it is. Or or when this country is
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  Speaker 2: hosting the World Cup and is having an inflection point
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  Speaker 2: moment for the growth of our game, we could change this,
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  Speaker 2: we could reverse this decision. We could correct. Dare I
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  Speaker 2: say correct, we could correct and right this wrong.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, within their bylaws they're allowed to they say,
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  Speaker 3: suspend the discipline of a red card suspension for up
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  Speaker 3: to a year later in a probationary probationary year. So
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  Speaker 3: it's not like FIFA. This is not FIFA corruption. What
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  Speaker 3: happened here it was. It's a bad look.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It certainly calls into question why why teams like Team
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  Speaker 3: USA were not able to appeal this suspension because it
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  Speaker 3: was overturned by via are I don't care. These should
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  Speaker 3: still have an appeals process. Hopefully that changes. It's a
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  Speaker 3: bad look, But it's not like the people calling this
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  Speaker 3: FIFA corruption. I'm like you serious, these look there were
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  Speaker 3: FIFA corruption is what they got? Or what the FBI
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  Speaker 3: arrested half the people in the building.
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  Speaker 2: However, many years if even if you call this FIFA corruption,
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  Speaker 2: where it is on the scale of FIFA corruption is
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  Speaker 2: like this tiny little blip on the radars. It's tiny,
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  Speaker 2: but but that's not what it is. You state it correctly,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what it is. And and honestly, it could
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  Speaker 2: not be working out better for the FIFA broadcast. And
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  Speaker 2: they're they're hyper aware of that, by the way, like
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  Speaker 2: Jurgen klop was on the air, said, this is our game.
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  Speaker 2: This is our game, and they referring to the Americans,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: referring to the president, referring to the this is our game,
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  Speaker 2: and they shouldn't have any influence on this. That is
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  Speaker 2: exactly the kind of bulletin board material. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if Mauricio Postchatino, because he's got some Argentine's sensibilities, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what their relationship is with bulletin board material.
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  Speaker 1: That might be a very American thing. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: But he's got somebody on that staff right who's telling him, look,
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  Speaker 2: just put all these quotes on the whiteboard.
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  Speaker 1: We need to use this. This is this fire.
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  Speaker 3: These boys up motivates Americans and sports and.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what go a step beyond that. This game's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: in Seattle. Put them on the jumbo tron and let
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the American fans boo it what.
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  Speaker 3: Urgen Klop put the video clip of Jurgen Klops saying.
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  Speaker 1: That let us let it be us against the world.
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  Speaker 1: Let it be.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming off of a weekend two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: year anniversary of this great country. Right you saw all
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  Speaker 2: of the commercials, and you saw the Star Spangled banner
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  Speaker 2: everywhere right in the electric guitar, national anthem and fireworks
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  Speaker 2: and people blowing their fingers off hopefully not and you're
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  Speaker 2: just like America man, hot dogs, apple pie, And don't
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  Speaker 2: you dare pit us against you because when that happens,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: how did Toby Keith say, put in your boot, in
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: your let's see American way. Just let them run out
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to that tonight in Seattle. That's it, man. I have
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: never I promise you, I promise you. I have never
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: been this fired up for a soccer game, and I
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: don't think I ever will be again. My some of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: my best friends were playing for a high school state
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  Speaker 2: championship my senior year in soccer, and I wasn't as
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: fired up for that game as I am for this one,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and those were people I know you did. Go of course. Okay,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: by the way, Jordan High won it. Go beat Diggers. Go.
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  Speaker 2: I shout out Clay Christiansen.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand and two State championship, two thousand and two State Championship.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out Clay Christiansen, whose number has since been retired
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  Speaker 2: in the annals of Jordan High history. Legend legend Christiansen. Yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: should have been, should have been on that US men's nation.
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  Speaker 2: Diego Luna, who klay Christiansen? This this is for a
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  Speaker 2: for a casual observer who has jumped on the bandwagon.
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  Speaker 1: This is ideal. It is perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Because even if even if you haven't already climbed on,
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  Speaker 2: it is now your duty as an American to jump
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: on board. Because you're hearing the Germans, the French, the English,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the Belgians be like.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: This is corruption. You don't deserve this. Even if you win,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you don't deserve it. I can't even eat my waffle
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this morning. I am so upset.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Oh really, the Royal Belgian Football Federation, first of Royal.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: As soon as you throw out Royal, you lost.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: The American folks pretentious, We are anti tyrants around here.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Our American royalty is usually just random pop stars and
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: NFL football players. All right, that's our royalty we choose.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's a meritocracy here, not a bunch of inbred weirdos
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: with oversized ears.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Royalty in the United States of America is earned, sort
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of but mostly earned allegedly. Okay, don't give me your
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: royal Belgian we know about the legacy of the Belgian royals. Okay,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So it's strip mining the Congo.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: For all of its resources. All right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear from you Belgium on any
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: kind of corruption. What we got here was a red
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: card that never should have been issued. And even if
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it's all the way down in the fine print to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the bylaws, it's there. You can suspend the enforcement of
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: these penalties by any means necessary. That's how America tries
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: to win. We'll do it dirty, We'll do it clean. Oh,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: there's a technicality based on a tiny little fine print
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: issue here.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Let me call my lawyer.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Have you ever ever heard of a man named Jeffrey
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Kessler and the allegedly honorable Judge Kenneth Curry? Like we
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: that's how we do things around here. It doesn't feel
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: right most of the time a lot of the time,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: but hey, what like you say, any means necessary. A
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: couple of things. Fourth of July parade. First one with
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the boy. It was incredible, Okay? Did he enjoy with there?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Like tutsi rolls being thrown at him? A bevy of
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the fruities you know that you get at the arcade
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: as a prize.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I believe that those.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I believe that those are much like the weird wax
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: paper black and orange, like peanut butter toffees, that they're
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: only available during the fruity They're only available during Fourth
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of July parades, those weird.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Or at your local arcade fun place.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's there's an exclusivity to the availability of those candies.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Fiesta Fun in Saint George. That's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: where I always got my my fruities. Uh, playing the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: arcade games. But I bring that up to say, a
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: high school band or a high school it was high
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: school football team on a float.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Uh, they were playing courtesy the Red, White, and Blue,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the unedited version, so they they I'm like high school
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: putting a boot in your ass, all right, let's let's go.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's a word that has been decriminalized. It's like it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the verbal marijuana. Okay, it's like you could say ass
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: now nobody even cares.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of speaking of ass, we have
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the Big Ass Stadium Tour two tickets to give away
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: later show post malone. We'll talk about later, but yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: we're gonna that word's gonna be said a lot today.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: But that that my wife I look at each other
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: like all right, high school football team, and then uh,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you're you're just you're just dead on about how this
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: kind of thing is what galvanizes us every time, especially
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: in sports, but we've seen it in a lot less
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: often in politics and other social dynamics. Whenever we we
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: sling mud at each other all the time. Okay, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: it's like we're allowed to say we suck. You say
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: we suck, then it's us against all of you, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: we're gonna take you on. And that this is the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: exact AMMO like us as a fan base of US
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: men's national team need to be absolutely fired up, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you hope that the players will be fired even more
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: fired up for this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: This is the soccer equivalent of the Holy war from
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: two years ago when Utah fans where like that is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: not a penalty and BYU fans, every BYU fan under
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the son there were eighty five year olds making Twitter
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: accounts for the first time in their life just so
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: they could post grainy cell phone video of that was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: definitely a hold in the flag, which correct call, right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's this galvanizing moment where it's just like, that shouldn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: work out for you that way, Oh yes it should.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it shouldn't. Oh yes it should. Oh no
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yes it should, And we get to watch it
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: play out tonight on the pitch, and the soccer gods
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: will decide whether it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Was just or not based on who wins tonight, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the soccer god flow Baligan, it's gonna get a hat
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: trick tonight.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: If that happened.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: By the way, if Flowbalagan is like man of the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Match tonight, then the controversy ramps up even further and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: suddenly soccer is a real American sport for the first
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: time in my life, because we will even even if
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you hate the principle of mom or dad calling the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: head office and being like I need my kid to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: not be in trouble for this anymore, even if that
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: just makes your skin crawl, you're like, you know what,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: in this case, I watched the red card be issued
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and it was not correct. There was a grave injustice
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: done there. And flow Balagan, by the way, I want
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to make sure as a rant, I want to make
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: sure that we give credit where it's due to that
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: young man, because he handled the whole thing with ultimate
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: class and he was asked about, hey, you weren't.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Real emotional about that during the game postgame.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: A lot of people on the world soccer stage expect
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that the young American to throw a fit when things
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: don't go his way, when there's a controversial call that
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: goes against you, right, demonstrative, protest, right, tantrum, throne whatever.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: John McEnroe, which I believe this happened at Wimbledon, that
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: you cannot be serious.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: There's an expectation, there's an expectation that that is how
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you're going to react. And he handled the whole thing
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: with class, and then he was asked about it. Why,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you know, why did we see you kind of like
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: take this lying down And he was like, I'll tell
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you why. Because there's a lot of young people, especially
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: in the US, tuning in to soccer for the very
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: first time, and I want to set an example. I'm paraphrasing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I want to set an example for them that you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: react properly, even if it's not in your favor. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was like, man, what a mature, incredible, admirable way to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: handle this.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Can we can we get him to make a speech
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to the NBA Players Association.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: My goodness, get.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Flow Bbalgant on the phone, James, I'm sure he's not
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: each today. Let's get him on the phone. I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to talk to him about this. It's one of those
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: things again you take the whole package right and extricate
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: for the sake of the argument.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: To extricate.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There's one figure involved in this whose name got put
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: into this thing that is as polarizing as anyone else
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in our country right now. But if if that person
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: all they did was make a phone call, and really,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: let's be honest, probably didn't even watch the red card
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: be issued, probably didn't even watch the game, was just
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: doing the thing like going through the motion.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: What happens is.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: FIFA gets to look at it and say, you know what,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it's abnormal in sports that we wash out a bad
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: decision that we right or wrong, but today we're going
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to do that and we're going to take the bullets
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: associated with it. It's pretty admirable, dare I say it
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: from FIFA's perspective, although the admiration goes away when you
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: realize how beneficial this end up being for them, more ratings,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: more conversation, more revenue, more gear sold, more everything. Because
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it is now this is not just a sports topic anymore.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: This is number one front page news on BBC News,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: not BBC Sports, BBC News, CNN News whatever they're playing
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: in Belgium and South Africa and France and everywhere else whatever.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Those channels are Belgian news service.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: It's it's front page stuff and we get to watch
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it play out tonight.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: You said there's breaking news, it's breaking news. So the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: breaking news is so Belgium. You probably heard OC and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I know our listeners saw this as well. They appealed
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the decision to allow flow Balgan to play. That appeal
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: has been denied by FIFA, so that we already knew
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: that was gonna happen, but that's it's now official.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It's breaking news.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: The appeal goes to the organization that already.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of silly.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like ed you can't listen if you're Belgium,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you absolutely at least get it on the books that hey,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna do what we can to fight
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: against this, even if you know you're gonna lose. That's
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: also the American way you talk. We mentioned the litigation
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. You still you still make the lawsuit
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: even if you're gonna even if you're not gonna win
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the lawsuit, right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I also wanted to say this Mark mark Ogden ESPN
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: dot Com, who I did not know about until I
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: read this article. He reacting to this, this reversal from
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: from FIFA allowing Phil Balgin to play. He said, no
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: one wins from this, not even the US men's national team.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I vehemently disagree, Mark Ogden. When your best player is
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: allowed to play, you win from that decision.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So I just it bothers me.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: That people are wanting to like make this in America,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: especially wanting to because they did like the process of
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: how this went, how they got to this decision. They
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: want to manufacture a way to not feel as good
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: about beating Belgium today, like just you can you can
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: throw that in the garbage heap with me. Okay, are
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: you rooting against America?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Are you rooting for America in this game? It should
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: be that simple.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are rooting against America, which is
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: totally fine because that's when we do our best work
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: as a nation. We're just getting rolling here on a
• 31:33
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• 31:36
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• 31:39
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• 31:42
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• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Walker Kessler is headed to the Lakers that also broke
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: while we were off for the holiday break. Sarah Todd
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: is going to join us to give her thoughts on
• 31:55
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• 32:00
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• 32:04
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• 32:06
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• 32:07
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• 32:12
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• 33:01
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• 33:02
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Beck. Welcome back to the show. How are you?
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, thank you? I am great.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: How are you Sean doing awesome? Did you have a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: fun Fourth of July?
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: I was pretty chill forth, just kind of hung out
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: at home most of the day. That sent my toddler
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: off to a parade with Ian laws and hung out
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: at home with the newborn.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, kind of nice, nice, all right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Big decision came down over Fourth of July weekend from
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: FIFA that the red card for flow Ball again. The
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: suspension would be suspended, meaning he gets to play, will
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: be available for the game against Belgium. Obviously this is
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: controversial for everyone who's not an American soccer fan, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: as someone who's followed this team closely and followed the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: sports so closely, Uh, where do you come out on it?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Because it's a it's not wholly unprecedented, but this is
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: as high profile of the decision as FIFA is ever
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: going to make, it seems.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting one to watch people react
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: to because I understand why people are upset that it's
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: happened the way that it has, why Belgium is upset
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: about it. But at the same time, this outrage didn't
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: exist when FIFA gave the same ruling in favor of
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Christiano Ronaldo. Before the World Cup started, he had a
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: three game suspension. They suspended his suspension as they did
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: with Baalagan, and no one has no one's been talking
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: about it. It's been a nothing burger for this World
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Cup or Ronaldo to be playing. But suddenly because it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: the US, because it's Balgin, because Donald Trump is saying, yes,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I made a phone call, it's it's becoming a very
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: big thing around this World Cup, and I just think
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: it's so interesting. I understand again the outrage of it,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, I haven't seen
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: anybody disagree that this was the correct or agree that
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: this is the red card given in this game against Balgin,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: So I think it's fair to have this this outcome
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: to have him eligible for this game because it was
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: not the correct decision. Var was not used correctly to
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: give this red card. But I get both sides a
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: little bit. But if you're going to be this mad
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: about Balgan, then you've got to be upset about Ronaldo
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: as well, and we're just not seeing the same outrage.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: So for me, it's let's move on.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I am I don't think we'll get another version of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: this in this tournament. But like, for the take of
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a hypothetical, let's say that Erlyn Holland for Norway ends
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: up with a similar red card, right is given kind
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of a bad red card and so he's supposed to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: be out for the next round. I think a lot
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of people their response to that. And obviously he's a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: much bigger name and a much more important player from
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the international stage than Plowbalagan is. But I think that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of people's response, even the neutral non Norway
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: sports fans, would just be like, you can't have that
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: guy out on that call. Like we would probably agree
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: if it was the exact same call against a player
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: like that, that it would be all right for FIFA
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to take at least a second look at it and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to you know, maybe overturn something, especially that came from
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: var So. I guess the requirement is we keep that
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: energy if it does happen again for anyone else. But
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is it not in the best interest of not just
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: soccer but every sport to make sure that officiating is
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: done correctly And if you have to go back retroactively
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to correct a mistake, shouldn't we do that?
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: No?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that's that's kind of one of the other
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: talking points is FIFA has said, you know, we will
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: not be taking back these red cards. It's not part
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: of the protocol for the World Cup, but this is
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: it's not a thing we're doing, but we will suspend
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: a suspension and kind of put you on probation. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: that's it's kind of opened the floodgates in a way.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, as you said, you would hope that there'd
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: be consistency, and there's already calls for that. England had
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: a player get a red card last night, Gerald Kwanza.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: There's people talking about submitting an appeal for that. France
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: has submitted an appeal for Elise's yellow card against Paraguay.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of opened the floodgates in terms of
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that the appeals, I mean, you're appealing as
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: much as you can anyway to get these types of
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: these cards removed in these situations. But it's I'm sure
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: that FIFA's Disciplinary Committee, which it's supposed to be an
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: independent committ by the way, is it is just going
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: to be busier than ever at this point because the
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: whole world is talking about this situation as it should be.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: But yeah, as you said, you have to keep the
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: energy up across the board if this is if this
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: is what we're we're wanting. But I think from an
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: American perspective, the conversation seems to be, well, we want
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: to face you when you're at your best, So why
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: don't you want to face us when we're at our
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: best in Belgium? And again I understand Belgium's perspective here,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: but why wouldn't you want to face a team at
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: their best when it's going to be the most competitive,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: it's going to try you the most. So yeah, it's
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: a shame that the situation has gone down the way
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: that it has because it does raise some eyebrows and
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: some questions. But at the end of the day, I
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: think it is the right decision and hopefully it raises
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: the correct questions and how var handles situations and the
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: images and the slow motions that they show to the
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: referee during the game to those decisions.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Let's take the political and the controversial out of this,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and let's just talk about this from an x's and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: O standpoint. Baligan's presence in this game makes how big
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: of a difference for Tamosa.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I think at this point it also it hikes the
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: team to have him out there. I personally, I know
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Belgium beat the US five to two earlier this year.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: It was not a good game for the US. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: think this is a very different matchup between these two
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: teams at this point in time. Belgium is not a
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: team that I personally am that worried about. But the
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: boost now that I think it would have been important
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: under normal circumstances, no red card, no controversy to have
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Baligan in this game, but the boost that it's now
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: given the US to have him available for this match.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: I do think that it changes with the circumstances around
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: the whole situation. But he's been so massive the United
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: State in this World Cup. I mean, you can't you
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: can't understate or overstate, excuse me, what he's done and
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: how important he's been the three goals that he's provided.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: He's a danger man and that's why Belgium doesn't want
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: him out there on that field. But it's a great opportunity.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Belgium widely regarded as one of the best teams in
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: the world, despite sorry not having actually won anything. With
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: all that merit, so Belgium is kind of a conundrum
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: for me. They they've always the last few years, they've
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: had the talent, they've had the big names, but they
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: haven't done anything with that, and they just say stay
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: sitting near the top of the finger FIFA rankings year
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: in and year out. But I don't know. I wasn't
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: worried about this Belgium team without flow. I'm I'm less
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: worried about it now.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Lauren Beck is our guest.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: You're talking a little World Cup soccer coverage of the
• 40:55
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• 41:00
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• 41:03
  Speaker 2: if you're planning on doing so tonight as USA takes
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: on Belgium in the round of sixteen. Around the World Cup,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: we have seen again some of the big stars.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They're just shining.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Messi with more great games, goal and assist the other
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: night in an incredible match against against Cape Verd and
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: obviously Erlin Holland with two goals killing him Bape. He's
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: upsetting people, but he's unbelievable. The overall tournament, the soccer
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: that we're seeing you know, where are you finding surprises?
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Where is it going exactly the way you thought it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Would No, I think there's definitely been some surprises, especially
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: when you look at you know, the Argentina going into
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: extra time with Cape Verde and the goals that they
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: were scoring in that game as well, absolutely incredible story.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: I was really torn on that one because I do
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: want I did want Argentina to go through, but it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: it's hard not to cheer for a really true underdog
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: in the World Cup especially, But I think for the
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: most part going the way you would expect, you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: a couple outliers here and there. The England Mexico game
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: last night was just as chaotic as I hoped it
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: would be. I think some people were surprised with Norway
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: and how good they have been. But when you have
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Early Holland, it's the man's a machine. As much as
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I dislike the club that he played for, you have
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to love the man because he's just so delightful on
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: and off the field. He's so funny to watch, just
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: a great character and a great goal scorer. But Brazil
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: hasn't been the Brazil that you would think and hope
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: they would be for a very long time. So I
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: think for the most part this has been going the
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: way I want it. I thought it would be. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: as you mentioned and Bope, Messi, Holland all I mean,
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: and even Harry Kane now on six goals for England,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: it's quite the race. I mean, you look at the
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: players on four goals and that normally is enough to
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: be in the Golden Boot conversation in this World Cup
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: that the seven that in baby, Messi and Holland are
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: sitting on is absolutely incredible. It's been It's been very fun,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: a very fun World Cup. There was a lot of
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: controversy around expanding it to forty eight teams, but I
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: think it's been one of the most fun World Cups
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: we've had in recent years.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I am definitely guilty of being prisoner to the moment
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: on a lot of things, but this really does feel
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: like a moment, especially with this Balligan controversy and whatnot,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: where I don't know, soccer, the relationship America has with
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: soccer I think will change. I think is going to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: change after this. Of course, we don't know until we
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: get to after this. But does it feel that way
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: for you?
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: It does. I think there's you know, the World Cup
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: is always a big deal, but when it's happening anywhere
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: else in the world, it's not going to be as central.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: But with the focus really being on the United States
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: and having so many host cities in games here, I
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: think that that average sports fan is a lot more
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: tuned in. And I think that the thing with the
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Balligan red card is where you lose some fans and
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: you know, people they had. There's a lot of suggestions
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: on how to fix quote unquote fix some rules in soccer,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: just as I'm sure a lot of people outside of
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: the United States have suggestions for American football or basketball
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: or things like that. So it's definitely bringing in more
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: conversation and more fans, and it's really fun to see
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: because soccer has been the highest growing sport in the
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: United States for a good number of years at this point,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: but this will boost it and I'm curious to see
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: what the leagues in this country NWSL and US are
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: able to do with this boost, because it will exist.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's people I've never talked about soccer with
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: before are talking to me about soccer, and it's just
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: been really fun to see how many people are locked
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: into this World Cup.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: There's another game today that probably would have been or
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: probably is just as meaningful, just as important, just as
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: much of a feature for the average world soccer fan.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: That is being overshadowed now because I think because of
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the US controversy. But the day game, the afternoon game,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: how do you see that one going?
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I think this is going to be Spain. Portugal has
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: a lot of really good pieces, but I think this
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: goes Spain's direction. They've both teams have been okay throughout
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: the tournament. I haven't been overly impressed. I know that
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: sounds maybe a little bit crazy, but I haven't been
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: overly impressed with Spain. I think they've done what they've
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: needed to do in this tournament so far. The game
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: against Austria was maybe the first time that I saw
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: them and went, okay, this is this is maybe getting
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: right on the on the right track for them. Portugal
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: again a lot of really big names, a good win,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: a controversial win against Croatia in the last round, but
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: kind of struggled through the group stage a bit. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: think I think this is going to be Spain. I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: very interested to see how these guys match up because
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I think Portugal has been about where
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: I would expect them to be. But Spain, Spain, I
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: think has been underperforming a little bit, and that they're
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: the reigning European champs, So I think this could be
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: a very interesting matchup. But I think we're going to
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: see Spain go through on this one o'clock game.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We'll be watching it closely.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: If you if you want to get to Texas today,
• 46:57
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• 46:59
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• 47:01
  Speaker 1: At that price, you can't afford not to go.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: My parents are in Texas actually right now, in the
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Dallas area, and they looked at tickets. They did find
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: some for eleven hundred. I don't know if they're going.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: We've kind of been nudging them to do it, but
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they will.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So we talked about this because Big twelve Media Days
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: are tomorrow and Wednesday in Frisco, Texas, right right around
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the corner, and we're like, oh, there's an elimination game
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the day before, maybe we should fly down early. I
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: don't think we could have got the tickets either way,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: but man, it's a little fomo on this one Portugal
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Spain I think is going to be a heck of
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: a match, and obviously tonight, Yeah, Usa Belgium. I don't
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: want to put words in your mouth, but USA gets through.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, No, you can definitely put words in my mouth
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: on that one. I'm feeling confident in this US team tonight.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's great to hear from you and that delightful little
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: bundle of joy I can hear in the background, so
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I know it's.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Not easy to juggle the two. Appreciate you doing so.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Lauren, of course, thanks. I have
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: a good one, Lauren Beck.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Little World Cup talk brought to you by our friends
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  Speaker 2: over at beer bar. That is an overlooked thing about
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the flow balligin conversation today, this might be Christiano Ronaldo's
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: last ever World Cup game.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. He's about to turn forty two,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: and he said this is his last World Cup.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: He had initially told people, you know what, I'm not
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna decide until after this World Cup
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: is over. Maybe he did a little film study on
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: this Spain squad. Maybe he's looking at his own Portugal
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: team and realizing, man, this is gonna be a tough
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: out today, and perhaps he wants the flowers that his
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: incredible career would justify. He's already played in a bunch
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: of them. This is his sixth World Cup and his
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: final one. He's made that declaration. It's effectively a retirement
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: announcement on this level. Old Neymar did the same thing
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: last night after Brazil exited. So you're seeing kind of
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: this crop of megastars that are all in the late third,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: mid mid to late thirties to early forties come up
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: on that decision, and there's an understanding for a lot
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of people that this is Messi's last World Cup. Although
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I was watching that that Cape Verd game the other night,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm watching again the English broadcast, and I don't
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: know if they mentioned this on the American broadcast, but
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Messi had scored before his thirty fifth birthday, he had
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: scored seven World Cup goals.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: After he turned thirty five, he has doubled that total.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So as of last World Cup he had seven. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: now he's just isn't that insane? He's somehow, in some
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: ways gotten better than he was when he was at
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: the top of the of the soccer world lot of
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: people still believe he is at the top, like it's
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: it's incredible to longevity, and he had until Argentina. Until
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the final two goals of that game, he was still
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: the only Argentine player to score in the World Cup
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: through all three group stage games and a knockout round.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And then finally a couple of his teammates joined the
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: party helped him seal that win over over Kate.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Verd one goal which he assisted, by the way on.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: The assists, so he's had a part in all but
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: one goal.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, also in the World Cup so far.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I should I should have recorded it with my phone
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: because that first goal that he had on the crazy
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: long pass, the touch with the left foot and then
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: he elevates it over Vizeno and gets the first goal
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of that match.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: The British broadcast gushed about that thing for the next
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: thirty five minutes of the game. It was insane and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the best part of it was that whoever the color
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: analyst is on their broadcast was Scottish and just had
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the most difficult Scottish brogue to understand. So it's just
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: them just gaga over the particularly the first touch of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: the messy goal, corraling that long pass with his left foot,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: and he's trying to describe how difficult that is, and
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: you can understand about every third word, and they just
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: won't stop. I'm like, man, MESSI could MESSI could become
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the King of England if you wanted to. That's how
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: much they love him over there. That's the that's incredible.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And by the way, how about how about the what's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: his face? The cape vered guy who gets the equalizer
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: goal in extra time and goes into the stands.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Like that was what a moment? That was?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, I am so disappointed and everyone in the stands
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: in that moment if you go back and first of all,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: he kicks that ball not believing he's gonna score. Absolutely,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: he was more surprised than anybody that that thing went in.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: He's going nuts, right, he.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Doesn't know what to do, he doesn't know how to celebrate,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: and he runs over into the stands and instead of
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: like celebrating with him, enjoying it, embracing it. Everyone was
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: so shocked that he was trying to climb into the stands.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: They're like, turn around, go back there, what are you doing?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: The bearded guy who no doubt was some kind of
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: FIFA official or like arena official, was like bug eyed,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: get back down there.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And the four guys like standing there. I think he's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: looking for his wife, his girlfriend, whoever. He's just.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: There's nobody celebrating with him. I'm like, no, the appropriate
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: reaction there is you mob the guy who just scored
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: the equalizer and put you on the same plane as Argentina.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: You're freaking cape ver. That was crazy. Anyway, We've had
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: some unbelievable moments in this World Cup and we're only
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: going to get more. Can't wait to talk about it
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the tournament. Uh, take a quick
• 53:09
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• 54:23
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  Speaker 3: day one. Day one is the time when we hear
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: from Brett your mark on the podium. Certainly lots of
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: reason to tune in to hear the conference level guys.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he's gonna get some questions about Brendan Soresby
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: and Texas Tech, which should be interesting to hear him.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I answer those. I am actually so.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I don't want every conversation all week long to be
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: about that, but I am very curious for the Big
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  Speaker 2: twelve kind of company line. I'm curious about the Cincinnati
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Company line because they need to be asked about it
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: as well. And of course, how is Texas Tech going
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: to put this behind them? Because this is the time
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you can do it. This big twelve media day is
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: when you can say, look, here's the last thing I'm
• 55:19
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• 55:21
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• 55:24
  Speaker 2: speaking about it ever again. This is the event that
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you should do that that you can't do that now.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I have no trust that Texas Tech is gonna handle
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: it correctly because we've seen how they've handled the process
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: to this point.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: It's been an embarrassment for them. It's been terrible.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Like Cody Campbell, bring them all and just say take
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: your bullets right now. A bunch of people are gonna
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: have criticisms, they're gonna have questions, and just take your medicine.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: While we're here in Frisco. They'll publish their articles. You
• 55:54
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• 55:58
  Speaker 2: to football season, we'll be talking about football, and yes,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: some sort of like after effects will come up if
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: your quarterback plays well or doesn't play well, or will
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Hammond takes longer to get back from the injury and
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: the surgery or whatever. But air all the grievances now,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: let it be done. That's what Texas Tech needs to do.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: If they don't allow their coaches to talk about it,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: if they don't allow their players to talk about it,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: if they don't allow the athletic director to talk about it,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: it would be a mistake in my opinion. So I
• 56:30
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• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is the last thing. Get it out of the way now,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: and then we'll all move on together, because I will
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: put it to bed after this. Sorsby is not playing
• 56:44
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• 56:47
  Speaker 2: He is not playing in NFL Europe for the Brian
• 56:51
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• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the UFL. Brandon Soorsby has been informed, and his lawyers
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and he have all agreed, like, all right, we're just
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: we're entering next year's draft.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: NFL Draft.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to put it to bed, but I want
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: it to be handled correctly by Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 2: Gordion Chiasa. When we return. I did not think that
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz would willingly part ways with Walker Kessler,
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  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happened. We'll talk about the trade
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  Speaker 2: with the Lakers, we'll talk about what it means for
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  Speaker 2: the Jazz, and my most important question is have we
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  Speaker 4: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 4: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our number two. Welcome in, Gordy Chiasa.
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  Speaker 2: of Utah. Gordy, I hope you had a happy Fourth
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  Speaker 2: of July weekend.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to be back.
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  Speaker 3: There's something special about flying back on American soil on
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  Speaker 3: our nation's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. It was a
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  Speaker 3: wonderful weekend and a lot of stuff to talk about
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  Speaker 3: from when I was gone. The Utah Jazz and Walker
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  Speaker 3: Kessler are no longer in business together. Instead, Kessler will
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: be a Laker. The Jazz get two first rounders and
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: two pickswaps for Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of the trade?
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  Speaker 7: It was smart by the Jazz. The Jazz opening a
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: very tremendous contract and they had a certain number which
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: they weren't going to go over and they didn't. Now,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: from a Legas point of view, they need a big man.
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  Speaker 7: They think that he's worth the numbers that they're taking,
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  Speaker 7: and so what the Jets said right away, they pivoted
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  Speaker 7: and they resigned Yusif Nurkage for two years has almost
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: like a stop gap. So you do like Kessela, you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: do like his potential, but again, showing it, it affects
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: so much of the economics of other players you want
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  Speaker 7: to get. So that signals basically in Jazz basketball that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: they're going to re sign for the extension Chante George.
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  Speaker 7: So it's almost like a domino theory. So Legas get
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  Speaker 7: a big guy. The Jazz pivot with Yusif Nrkage, and
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  Speaker 7: the Jazz really did the right thing as far as
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  Speaker 7: economically with their team.
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  Speaker 2: So we had all these visions of this, you know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: three towers in the front court, Lowry marking In and
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  Speaker 2: Triple J and Walker Kessler and now we just have
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: to place use of Nurkage as the center in that lineup.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, as far as that, or they could go Jaron
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  Speaker 7: Jackson as a starting five. So be interesting to see.
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  Speaker 7: So the question is that what do they do with
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: a spelly. That's the question philosophically, which is a good
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: question to have. So to Jazz, they start Kanty George
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  Speaker 7: is a point guard. Darren Peterson tremendous talent. Will go
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: later on talking about him in Summer League. But if
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  Speaker 7: he's really a god to God, then they go Acepelly
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  Speaker 7: at three. I'm saying Larry markin as a stretch four
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  Speaker 7: and then to start the game with Jaron Jackson as
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  Speaker 7: almost a stretch five. Then you can match down put
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  Speaker 7: in a game use of Nurkage and then swing over
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  Speaker 7: Jaron Jackson at four and then put the arrest of
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  Speaker 7: the lineup in with other guys. And so it evolves.
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  Speaker 7: With worker Kessen not being there, you could start use
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  Speaker 7: of Norkage and then suddenly you're not going to probably
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  Speaker 7: not start a spelly probably, and that's really almost counterproductive
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  Speaker 7: as you as a young guy, you want him to
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: start the game with other weather tremendous players.
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  Speaker 1: Also, what are what are the Lakers doing?
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  Speaker 2: They have now tied up a massive chunk of their
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  Speaker 2: salary cap in Walker, Kessler and Reeves that you know
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  Speaker 2: they don't have Lebron coming back obviously, do you They
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  Speaker 2: don't have picks in like the next seven years.
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  Speaker 1: What are the Lakers doing?
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  Speaker 7: Okay? Well, first, the economically they have taught in with
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  Speaker 7: their three main guys. Now are total salaries four hundred
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: and seventy five million dollars the Lakers and those three guys.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: Those are total salllies that are that are out there
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: right now. So the Lakers, they're trying to navigate where
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: they moved on from Lebron. They had a good run
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: eight years. Lebron played terrific for them, but now they
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  Speaker 7: want to start it ear and so that's what they're
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: attempting to do right now. And they've they edited Walker Kessler,
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  Speaker 7: who again they believe that will help them as far
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  Speaker 7: as being a center of rent protection because Luca Dante's
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  Speaker 7: is a is a non defensive player and Austin Reeves,
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  Speaker 7: who does try doesn't have the foot speed and so
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  Speaker 7: the all mess member. Now they also edited some guys
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  Speaker 7: that can score the ball to them consects and off
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  Speaker 7: the bench. Jaydon Harden can score, Quenton god can can score.
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  Speaker 7: That will help them. And it's just young, this young
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: big guy about twenty six years old kla Velli from
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: the Raptors. He has a really tremendous all around gay,
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  Speaker 7: almost like a playmaker as a big guy. So they
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  Speaker 7: pivoted as far as with Lebron and went with other guys.
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  Speaker 7: But now the pressure is on Walker Kessler. You're in LA.
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  Speaker 7: There's no like waiting period. It's his fifty in the NBA.
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  Speaker 7: He has to produce and that's what rebounding, shot block,
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  Speaker 7: and he's got us score the ball versus only being
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: recipient scorer.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chay is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: talking all things NBA and Utah Jazz. A very wise
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  Speaker 2: man once told me, Gordy not to overreact to anything
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that we see or do not see in summer league play.
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  Speaker 2: But it's easy to forget that if you're a Jazz
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: fan and you watched Darren Peterson the other night, because
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  Speaker 2: you saw some really really nice things from a guy.
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  Speaker 2: The game appears to come very naturally to him very much.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, hit cooking in that game at the Hunter and Center,
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  Speaker 7: and his debut quickly twenty eight points, shooting eleven for
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: twenty three four vers seven from threes. To assist the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: bad negative part eight turnovers. We told you that he
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: threw too many risk passes in the game and also
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: sometimes against good defense, we speed it up. That's all
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: part of the learning curve of age nineteen years old.
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  Speaker 7: But what he did it was unbelieva. Was that he's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: a rocket driver and a dynamics scorer, and that he
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: has a smooth, silky release point on his three point shot,
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  Speaker 7: and so he has the it factor. He has a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: talent to score the ball, and he has really a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: strong body that can defend. And so it's really a
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  Speaker 7: smashing debut. And the Jets won the game, not that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: it matters in a big tense, but they did win one,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: O three, one or two and actually a hard four game.
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  Speaker 7: So he's got it. He's tremendous young talent and with
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: normal growth, he'll be an elite player some day down
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: the road. Corey, it's going to be Cody Williams, also
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: another young guy. His third year. He should be able
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: to play roll in the summer League, and he did
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: seventeen points. But one thing about that it was troubling.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: He didn't get to the foul line showing. So just
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: think about it. Third year, you've got to be aggressive.
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  Speaker 7: You got to drive the ball to the basket and transition,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: try to create opportunities offensive rebounds. He took no free throws,
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  Speaker 7: so that was counseling him. You've got to you got
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: to mix up your offensive game, which is which is growing,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: but you've got to be more aggressive as far as
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: what attacking the paint first in the rims. Second, how much.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to see if Darren Peterson tonight?
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  Speaker 3: I mean that game is going to be overshadowed a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: little bit by US men's national team action with the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Belgium and World Cup game. But uh, they start an
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: hour earlier in Summer League play Jazz Grizzlies. So you've
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: got DP and you've got Cam Boozer up at the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Huntsman Center. H Are we going to see another full
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: game from Darren Peterson?
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  Speaker 7: I would say probably not. He played twenty seven minutes,
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  Speaker 7: but he should play, you know again, the Jazz play
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: again Tuesday night, and then he played Thursday against the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: against Washington Wizards against the agent de Boncer. So don't
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  Speaker 7: be so sweet about it as far as everything. Just
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: play the guy, you know, we just play him. This
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  Speaker 7: is summer league playing. I'm not saying playing the whole
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  Speaker 7: forty minutes, but play him to get some more reps
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: who live in the game right now, and hopefully we'll go.
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  Speaker 7: And we mentioned more about Cam Boozer, also the third
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: pick of the draft, very good, and so it's just
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  Speaker 7: like Darren Peterson. But Boozer does for his team, the Grizzlies.
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  Speaker 7: He's almost like a steady influence already. He knows how
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  Speaker 7: to play the game. I'll call him a point forward
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: through the way he operates on perimeter that goes inside
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: and he moves that ball. He throws some great assist dimes.
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  Speaker 7: And let's not forget he's only eighteen years old. He
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: turns nineteen years old later on in July. And so
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: this guy's just like Darren Peterson and just like also
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: age of the Bouncer. These three top guys in a draft,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: they're going to lead their team with normal aggression. So
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: I'm sure they'll play tonight. Darren Peterson and I'm looking
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: forward to her.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Deontay George gets to he gets to be a volunteer coach.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: They had to go through some jump through some hoops
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: with the league in order to make sure this was handled,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: you know, under collective bargaining agreements and all that kind
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: of stuff. But Keante George expressing interest in and the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Jazz also at least entertaining the idea that he gets
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: to be for the summer league a little bit of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: a player coach situation.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of this?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: That's a good idea and there where they're trying to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: help him see the game from a coaching point of view.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: So he's the point guard for the Jazz as they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: go forward, and that when you're a point guard, you're
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: an extension of the coach on the court. And now
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: the winning teams have a point guard that literally finks
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: like at the coaching step on the sideline. So he'll
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: be in the huddle, he'll be in the meetings as
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: far as not as a player, but as a coach.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: So you know, there's coaching meetings where you talk about
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: what's going on about the team, and also there's the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: players meetings with the coaches. So he'll be involved with
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: the coaches. And it's interesting again, as coaches think much
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: diffinitely than players, but the better players have an element
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: of coaching in them as far as how they think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: the game. Not about themselves, Sean, but about how can
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: I get my teammates better. When you're a point guard
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: in the NBA, your world changes every twenty four seconds.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: There's nothing like it. NFL quarterback, you've got to be
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: able to think with your feet and with your with
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: your with your head, but you can have to process
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: the game. But in NBA basketball, it changes so quickly,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: and that's what that's why Kanty George is going to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: be a quasi assistant coach, will help them as far
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: as the Jazz when he played in the regular game.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: Next to next four, I'm all for it, Gordy.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Where's Lebron gonna end up?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: Cleveland?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: Makes the most sense. Yeah, I would say Cleveland, and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: it'll be drawn out. In other words, it will be
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: like tomorrow. They're gonna take their time and the Cabs
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: they have a good team. They're good. They went to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: the conference finals, got knocked out by the Knicks. I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: know they were. They were not competitive in those games.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: But with Lebron, if he does go there, and I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: think he will. He'll give them another scoring punch. And
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: the questions always says, how can he play with James Harden?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: Will he play? Will he will they perform in lockstep?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: The answer is absolutely yes, And Lebron knows that he's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: going there. He'll be the second option behind Donvin Mitchell,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: and they know that we're going in and that James
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: Harden will will slightly go to the sideline as far
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: as not driving the ball as much, and so that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: will happen, whether it's actually conversed that way or the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: evolution of it is going. It's going to play out,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: play out, and the Cavaliers I think will benefit from it.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: So the Cabs and Chats Basketball, they'll start James Harden
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: at point guard, Dovin Mitchell at two, at three lab
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: Ron James has four Evan Mobley tremendous young talent, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: then five Jared Allen and then Dennis Shrewd is still
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: gonna is still there right now, so Sam Melow, sam
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: Medow from from Utah, and so is Max Shruss. So
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: they have they have a really solid team and Lebron's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: gonna help them. I think he's gonna go there and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: go back home.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: How did you react when you saw the the other
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: big blockbuster trade that happened Since the last time we spoke,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown is now a seventy six er.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, very much. Jalon Brown is that Let's not forget
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: he made second team or NBA last year second team,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: and that's hard to do. That means that you're in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: the top ten players in the NBA. And the Celts
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: are a good organization and there are a bunch of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: smart people. Celts win fifty six games last year, they
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: got knocked out in the playoffs. There's something behind the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: scenes that if you're every single day, you could be
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: exactly what it's saying. I believe, just objectively, that he
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: wore as welcome there and the team was willing to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: move on from him, and then they pivoted and tried
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: and they got two first round picks and then two
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: second round picks, and really, poor George is only at
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: a stop gap. His contracts up next summer, so Sean
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: it's a one year deal with Paul George and then
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: they're going to reassess. But if you're the seventy six ers,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: you got Christmas in July. Yes you did, because now
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: they're going to embrace him and that they're going to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: help him play as great as he did with the Celtics.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: They need him as far as the seventy six ers,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: and with Terse Maxi a young star and now Jalen
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: Brown being there, and they also edited Dean Wade who
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: was from Cavaliers. He's a knockdown shooter on perimeter that's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: going to help them at all. And there's always the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: question is Joel Embiid. If he's healthy, he's tremendous. If
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: he's not, then it's a concern right now. So they
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: also edited Anthony Simons, who up e bench will give
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: them a good scoring lift. So the seventy sixers they
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: benefited from the Celtics moving on from him. I like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: to trade from the seventy sixth point of view, the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: true days. The Celtics tablege it by getting the two
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: first round picks and to second rounds and they're going
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: to reassess next summer again, so we'll see.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Do you like Kawhi back to Toronto?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: Yes? I do, Yeah, I do. Again, he's going home.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: As far as is the greatest triumphs in twenty nineteen
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: as far as being world champions, and it was two
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: times MVP in the finals on time with younger guy
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: with the Spurs back in twenty fourteen. And so he
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: goes there and the extension as far as on his mind,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: he knows Bobby Webster, the general manager, very well and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: he thinks that I'm sure, I'm sure they're talking about
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: it already, is that by going back, they're the chances
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: of getting the ultimate for an extension was it will
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: be there right now. It could be a two year,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty four million dollar extension which will
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: then put him probably into it his thirty seventh and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: thirty eighth year as far as as far as age group,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: and it's going to, I guess financially, really help them.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: With the Clippers point of view. Also, they are still
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: investigating when they signed them earlier ironically from the Clippers,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: and so that is it's on their head right now.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: What happens as far the NBA is still has not
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: ruled on at sean and you know, it's a long
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: time as far as with the independent of independent agency
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: looking at who did Rod who knew about what was
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: going on and why is it illegal? As far as
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: the NBA point of view, not as far as society,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: but the NBA it hasn't been ruled on yet, so
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: they move on from him and we'll see all plays out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what's your list today, Gordon?
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  Speaker 7: All right, we're talking about economics, Sean, so I knew
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: we were going to talk about it. This is the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: top twelve salaries for next season in the NBA. Yeah,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: exactly right. When I look at this, I say, wait
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: a second, and also, Sean, and for the listeners right
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: now driving your car, here's the question I have for you,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: Sean and all the listeners. Will these teams get banged
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 7: for their buck with their star players? Of these top
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: twelve guys, will the teams get banged for their buck?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 7: That's the question. There's twelve guys. Five of these guys
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: that are the twelve their team last season didn't make
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: the playoffs. So again that's the backdrop of this. Here
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: we go, Sean Ty for number eleven highest salary in
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: the NBA. Right on point short, Kawi Leonard and Paul
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: George both make fifty four point one million dollars this
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: coming season. Last year, the Clippers won's on forty five games.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: And there's seventy six it's gonna be on forty two
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: games and sixties won forty five games. Number ten tenth
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: highest paid salary in the NBA Jimmy Butler fifty six
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: point eight million. Warriors won last year thirty seven games
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: and no playoffs. Tied for seventh is three players Jalen Brown,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: Devin Brooker and Carl Anthony Towns Celts won fifty six games.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: Booker meaning the Suns won forty five and Anthony Towns
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: Nick Oboka's won fifty three plus being World Championship. The
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: sixth highest paid player in the NBA is Joel Embiid
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: at fifty eight point one million with the seventy six
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: ers I mentioned early second ago sixty one forty five games.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: I tied for three. As far as the highest salaries
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: in the NBA, they are Jason Tatum of the Celtics,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: Giannis now of the Height formerly of the Bucks, and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: Anthony Davis of the Wizards, who might be traded Sean
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: will say within three weeks from now so Tatum fifty
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: six games they won last year playoffs. Giannis with the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: Bucks last year won thirty two games, no playoffs, and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: they did with the Wizards, won seventeen games after that trade,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: won with no playoffs appearances. The second most highest paid
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: player in the NBA this year Nikolai Jokic fifty nine
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: million with the Nuggets' is the Rocker Gibralto fifty four
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: wins playoffs and the last, but not least, the number
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: one player in the NBA with the highest salary is
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: Steph Curry thirty seven wins last year with the Larwyers,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: no playoffs. Steph makes this season coming up fifty two
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: point six million dollars. So, Sean, do you think these
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: teams are getting bangs for their bucket?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it's crazy because that's the same I'm making
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: here of the So it's pretty wild to me, and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: we have the same salary, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, I love it. Good for you. An interesting dilemma
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: where again also that these guys are all thirty something
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: years old, so this is almost the backside of their career.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: And that just shows you that can you can you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: justify making this money? It's almost like it's almost like
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: a parachute balloon. Thank you so much for your services
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: and to to you quote your team, but also the NBA,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: And that's why it's so important. You and I mentioned
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: all the time, especially especially in July and early August,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: about the better teams get the salaries correct towards winning.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: And let's describe what's winning. Winning is what over achieving
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: regular season and getting to the playoffs and getting getting
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: you wet a very substantial playoff run to justify the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: star player salaries where everybody wins wins? Did the fans win,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: the team wins, and the players win?
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  Speaker 2: Gordy, have you ever been involved in a scenario heading
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: into a big game where you you did not think
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: you would have one of your most important players available,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: and then something happened and suspension is overturned, maybe an
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: injury is not as severe as he thought it was,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: and suddenly that player is available.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Have you ever had that?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: No, because it happens a lot of times. We had
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: called him alone, he had got into a fight the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: day before, and if suddenly he waited for that phone
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: call the next morning by the NBA saying would he
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: be suspended or not? So usually in the NBA, you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: know by the very next day most times now most
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: times noontime Eastern time. So in Utah would be ten
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: o'clock in the morning, whether it was called most times,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: whether God would be suspended for how long we'll be
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: able to play the next game, et cetera, as far
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: as the severity of the outcome. So I know you're
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: talking right now about the World Cup with USA player
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: and with Belgium. Yeah, so it had happened before at all,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: and it's very interesting how it's going to play out
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: right now. So no, it's not been that way, Gordy.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I assume you're going to be trying to to balance
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: both watch a little Summer league basketball at the Huntsman,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: maybe have the phone on the World Cup game.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Is that Is that the plan for now?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, very much. But also, Sean, let's talk about England.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: You just left there.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an unbelievable trip. Got to see some
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: matches at center court on Wimbledon. Right now, we've got
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: the split screen on the TV and anticipation of Portugal
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: and Spain and then you got Wimbledon action on the television.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Man, it was it was amazing.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Watching World Cup coverage on English television, Gordy. Also really
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: fascinating because obviously they are just socker mad over there.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I wasn't.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there long enough to catch an England game
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: while I was there, but man, it was. It was
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: pretty cool to experience that across the pond, you.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: Know, very much across the pond. And that is by
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: the World Cup being in North America. Is this shows
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: you the because there's no differential as far as time zones,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: that's really the coverage has been unbelievable as far as viewership. Yeah,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: and that's the power of a American soil as far
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: as but the dynamics of it as far as but
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: the older TV partners and we see it up close
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: and like tonight's game could be like almost like a show.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: I imagine like fifty five sixty minutes people watching. It's
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: going to be incredible.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, little little mini super Bowl situation potentially.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: Yes, pretty much. I remember in Jazz basketball showing a
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: less point about it is that Jazz were involved in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: the most ever watched game history of a professional basketball
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: game six versus Michael Jordan in nineteen ninety eight on
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: Flag Day which is June fourteenth, where thirty seven million
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: people watch that game. That's the most game ever in
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: history of NBA basketball.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: That's a fun little fact that may or may not
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: be used later to give away some tickets on the show. Gordy,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: you're the man, appreciate your time as always.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: So welcome back.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Gordi Chiasa, our resident NBA guru. All right,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: we got Sarah Todd who's going to join us in
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: the one o'clock hour. We've got Wimbledon action on the television.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: You've got World Cup soccer coming with Portugal and Spain.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously USA Belgium is later tonight as well. A reminder
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  Speaker 4: and ninety two one.
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  Speaker 2: A F M zero zero Portugal Efana about four and
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: a half minutes into the game, a game that would
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: be in most parts of the world the featured matchup
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: of the day in the World Cup, but because of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the controversy surrounding Team USA being or flow Balagin being
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: available for Team USA in tonight's game, there's a lot
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: more conversation around the Americans and the latest, by the way,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: is that a lot of people are now calling for
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: FIFA to exercise a rule in Articles two and fifteen
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: of their regulations where government interference is a violation of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: FIFA rules that results in disqualification and suspension of the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: federation whose government interferes with FIFA policies. Bosnia is calling
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: for it, Belgium is calling for it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Piers Morgan is calling for it.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Because, of course, and for better or worse, Donald Trump
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: has admitted that he called the president of FIFA and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: asked for a review of the red card penalty, so
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: that admission would, under the letter of the law, potentially
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: expose Tmosa at least to an investigation here. But I
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: don't think we have anything to worry about as the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: host nation seems unlikely, and.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Given how much Gianni Infantino, president of FIFA, has tried
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: to stay on President Trump's good side throughout this whole thing,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he's going to make a ruling
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: like that, even though it sounds like like you said,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: by the letter of the law, there should at least
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: be some consideration to reverse their reversal. It's getting crazy.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: It's getting crazy also, I wonder, and we'll have to
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: ask some some soccer more soccer experts.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Oh see about this.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder, does a phone call from the president of
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: one of the nations playing happens to be the host nation?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Does that is that alone constitute enough government interference under
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: under their bylaws to to say this was this was
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: government interference. This was plain simple government interference. This should
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: not have been that, this suspension should not have been
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: delayed a year like they're trying to do.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: outs the minor little details here, but again these are
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: this is FIFA, who has to FIFA would have to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: enforce these rules their own rules, so FIFA would have
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: to reverse their own decision and effectively punish the nation
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: that they chose not to punish. I just that it's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen. I don't think we have to worry
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: about it. The controversy ends up giving you a lot
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: more ammunition if you're an opposing nation. The controversy, I think,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: rallies the troops here in the United States around the
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: US men's national team, although there are plenty of virtue
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: signaling individuals on social media saying I'm an American citizen,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: but I'm rooting for Belgium tonight.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Shut up, knock it off.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: It's just I get feeling like this was gross, that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: they the way that they decided to, and at the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: last it feels like at the last minute they decided
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: to after a phone call from the President, decided to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: rule in the US's favor here. I don't get the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: manufactured I gotta feel bad about it. If if Utah
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: or if you tall, if US wins or if or
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I got a root against the US because of it. No, Like,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: how many times has your favorite team been the beneficiary
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: of an obviously bad call on in any game, and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: yet you went, man, that sucks for the other team
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: but worked out for us, Like you never yet react
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: the way that some of these people are reacting.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you're the president of FIFA.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: You're one of the few people on the planet that
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: can tell the President of the United States to kick
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: rocks absolutely, Like there's not their track record, but they
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely can. There are very few offices in any land
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: where if you get a phone call from the President
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: of the United States, you can be like, sorry, I'm
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: not going to do you.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Any favors here.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Like most people have to answer that phone call, and
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: whether they want to or not, they have to be like,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, we'll look into it to stay on
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: the good side of Team USA or whatever.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: There are very few entities powerful enough that you have
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: to appease, in this case, Donald Trump and his office.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: But FIFA is one of those organizations. FIFA on the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: sporting landscape doesn't need the US at all.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: I think that they've made a decision based on what
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: they are seeing in this World Cup in the revenue
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: that is being generated with the sold out stadiums in
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: the crazy North American World Cup results in the television
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: ratings that we have not been paying a ton of
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: attention to but have been spectacular around the world. I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: think what FIFA is doing is they're saying, Man, if
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: we can get this economic juggernaut, this fan base, this
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: humongous three hundred million person country on board with the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: game of soccer the way the rest of the world
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: is for us, For FIFA, that ends up being a
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: huge advantage. And if the way that you want to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: achieve that is by over turning a bad red card,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty small price to pay, honestly for FIFA.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: If if you're going to be accused of corruption and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: you're going to be accused of bending rules again your FIFA,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: you've got a pretty long history of doing exactly that.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Corruption on the FIFA level is like human rights violations
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: not should flow baligan play or not? It's did Katar
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: use slave labor to build us the stadiums we needed
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: to do a World Cup there? Like that's the kind
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: of that's the level of controversy of scandal that they're
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: used to dealing with at the FIFA World Cup level.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: This is a tiny blip on the radar that happens
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: to potentially have a massive impact on, weirdly, an emerging
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: soccer market that is in every other sport, the number
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: one sports market in the world. I mean it is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: from a FIFA business perspective, it is the most ultimate
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: no brainer that has ever happened. If you watch the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: video and you saw the red card, and it was
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: an obvious red card. If flow Balagun was reacting poorly,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: if he was punching people, you just have to say,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mister President. I'm not listening to this phone call.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: There's nothing I can do here. Every pundit in the
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: game was saying that that was a bogus red card.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: If you go back and people will right, all of
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: you folks with the video editing skills. I need the mashup.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: I need the reaction from Thierry Henri and Zlatan. I
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: need the reaction from you know, Crouch. I need the
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: reaction from Jurgen Klinsmann. I need the reaction from whomever
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: on the flow Balogun red card. Before there was any
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: idea that he would then be reinstated and all of
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: those people were like, yeah, Proba, that's kind of bogus.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: That's too much, that's extra harsh. I don't think there
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: were very few that agreed that that should have been
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: a red card penalty and that a suspension should have
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: come with it in the first place. And a lot
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: of those same people today are like, well, you can't
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: overturn this, that's bogus. Well, two things cannot be true.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: You either agree with the foul and the penalty associated
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: with the penalty or the foul excuse me.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Or.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: You think that.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: The extra harsh punishment in this case was rectified using
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: a tiny little clause in the bylaws.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: And I get it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope when you do that. And that
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: was a FEFA decision because now every federation, every soccer federation,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: on every yellow card and red card, they're going to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: ask for a review, They're going to ask for an appeal.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: There's going to be an office set up for this.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going to get jobs because they now are being asked, hey, uh,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: can you review this thing? It will be part of
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: that's something that FIFA is actually pretty nimblela and they
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: put in new rules, including new rules that I just
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: found out about this World Cup that if you talk
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: behind your hand, if you cover your hand and you
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: say something to an opponent, red card out.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: We've seen at least two of those ejections. Yeah, it's
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: and regardless of what the red the penalty of a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: red card is. Leading up to this play with Flobalgen,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: this the play that happened on Wednesday, before this FIFA
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: decision was made. It feels like the suspension after a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: red card in certain in certain cases is way too
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: punitive anyway, Like the fact that you can talk under
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: your hand and be suspended for the next game is
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: absolutely terrible. The fact fact that a guy can accidentally
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: step on a guy's ankle went and there was no
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: card given in the run of play. But after watching
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: in what was we found out later what was not
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: following the v the VAAR officials were not following the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: rules in the in what images they showed the on
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: field referee to then slow it down and do freeze frames.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: That's not that's not what VR is supposed to be
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: to then say that's a red card and then say
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: you're also suspended a game like there's certain ones. It's
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: like we I've heard people liking it to targeting. I
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: think exactly feel the same way. Like some targeting foul
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: short that warrants some kind of suspension, every targeting foul
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: absolutely not.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean targeting.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: We need we need a third level of targeting that
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: is implemented. Where there's the targeting without an ejection, there's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: the targeting with an injection, and there's the targeting with
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: an ejection that also includes a carry over in the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: next week. Targeting, by the way, has been poorly officiated
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: and adjudicated across college football and is a black eye
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: on college football. Oh my goodness, if you're watching right now,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Portugal's goalkeeper just earned his entire, his entire check for
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: whatever he's getting in this World Cup, turned away two
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: very meaningful shot attempts from Spain that I think both
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: would have found the back of the net. Diogo Costa,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: well done, sir. Sixteen minutes into Portugal versus Spain. The
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: look you can change the channel and find people who
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: know a lot more about soccer and about FIFA technicalities
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: and rules than.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: I ever will hope to.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: The fact that this now has become a central conversation
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: in a World Cup that is hosted by the United
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: States is really fascinating because first of all, you still
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: got to play. Belgium, still has to play US, still
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: has to play. The result of tonight will change this
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: conversation one way or another. You've got potential outcomes all
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: over the place. Right Belgium wins, there's going to be
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: a bunch of international fans using that to dunk on
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: the US cheaters never prosper whatever. Right, team USA wins
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: and Flow doesn't score, Flow is not.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Massively impactful on.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: The game, which quite honestly, I don't see how that
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: would those two things would happen in the same match
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: for this team USA, for this US men's national team squad.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, him being available means that
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to rely on him, utilize him effectively, and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: he will have an impact on this match. But let's
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: just say for the sake of conversation that he is,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: you know, not obviously a difference maker. Right, but team
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: USA wins, Well, there's plenty of meat on the bone
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: now for every pundit desk to say, Hey, they won
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: and they didn't need him. Hey they won and it
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't because of him. So at the end of the day,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: this kind of didn't matter all that much. There's also
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: and I think for FIFA and the muckrakers out there,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: the conversationalists, the people that want there to be controversy
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: and they want there to be something to talk about.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: This is going to be the most fascinating outcome. Let's
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: say that USA wins and it's because of a goal
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: and an assist or a pair of goals or something
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: like that from Flowbaligan. Now this becomes one of the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: biggest stories in World Cup history. Host nation being given
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: what some people proceed to be preferential treatment on the
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: overturning of a suspension or the suspension of a suspension
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: so it can be enforced at a later date.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is, it is.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: It is very much the soap opera of sport that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: I think for soccer in the United States is necessary.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: In England, in France, in Spain, in Portugal, they don't
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: need this for the general public to have an opinion
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: on the World Cup.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: They all do.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: It's built in, It's baked into the culture, the same
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: way we all care about either the NBA Finals or
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl or whatever, or college football national Championship,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: or more appropriately, whether or not Brendan Sorosby should have
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: been eligible this year.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: That the levels of outrage.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: That's the closest comparison we've had. Everybody in college football
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: was against Texas Tech. Everybody at international soccer right now
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: is against the idea that Team US is benefiting from
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: this rule, at least seemingly.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: We're here for it.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Almost twenty minutes in to the Round of sixteen, Portugal zero,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Spain zero joining us now to talk a little Utah
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Jazz Basketball, Little NBA Sarah Todd, NBA Insider at NBA
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Sarah on Twitter, which is the coolest handle you can find.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Sarah, Welcome back to the show.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: How are you too bad? I'm looking forward to the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: next couple of weeks, So for some more Summer league action.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Let's start there with Summer league and obviously number two
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: overall pick, Darren Peterson had a huge game, twenty eight points,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: a couple of blocks.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Cody Williams looked good.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Some back spasms take another important players out. But with
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson that debut, unofficial debut, I guess put that
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: debut in a Jazz uniform couldn't have gone any better.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Probably not. I mean, he had a few turnovers, and
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: so maybe back could have gone better for anyone who's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: thinking about his, you know, potential as a point guard.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: But it's summer league. It's literally his first game that
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: he's played in since like March, and so I just
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: anybody that knows anything probably doesn't care at all about
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: the turnovers, turnovers, fells, those types of things you don't
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: really pay attention to those in summer league. His debut
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: really could not have gone too much better because it
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: wasn't just about twenty eight points. It wasn't just about
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: the fact that he shot efficiently. It was like he
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: wasn't forcing anything. All of the things that you've seen
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: from him through through college, even back when he was
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: playing in high school, all the things that you thought,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: you know, those were the things that if he brings
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: him to an NBA court, that they'll make him great,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: none of them changed. And he just he looked so
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: ready and so cool and collected, and like everything just
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: seemed easy for him. He came onto a summer league
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: court looking like he like they should shut him down
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: right now because he's just an NBA player.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: That's how it felt, is that what they'll do.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 6: I think that they're going to play him today and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: would I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't play
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: him in the first game in Vegas, right, because that's
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: like a marquee game. It's the it's the primetime game,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: the first night of Summer League against the Washington Wizards,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: and Aja Bonsa and the Wizards are definitely going to
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: be wanting to show off to Bonsa. So I think
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 6: that they'll play there in the first game there would
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: not shock me at all. If the Jazz were to
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: shut down, you know, Tody Williams after today, would not
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: shock me at all. If they were to shut down
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: all of Ace, Cody and Darren after the first game
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: in Vegas. Maybe they let them to play in the
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: second game. But you know, if history tells us anything,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: that's kind of what happened last year, right, Like they
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: had their third year player last year in Bryce. He
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: played in the first game in in Salt Lake, and
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: then he didn't play in Vegas, and then their prize
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: rookies they shut him down after the second game in Vegas.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: And so that's that's kind of what I would expect
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: if I was just in.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if I'm going to go with any
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: of my expectations as a jazz follower anymore, because part
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: of my expectation, a lot of what was talked about
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: was that, you know, as you're rounding out of the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: tanking era and you get this number two pick, and
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: it was going to be a j or was going
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: to be Darren. Okay with Darren, and that's great, And
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: what we're going to do is we're going to add
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: Darren to a a sizable front court that includes Jared
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Jackson Junior, who you acquired in a trade, lowry marketen
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: who were not going to pretend it's hurt all the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: time and hopefully he's not hurt all the time anymore,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: and a hopefully fully recovered Walker Kessler. And now that's
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: not a reality. Walker Kessler is a Laker. You've got
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: some picks coming up, some pick swaps coming up because
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: of it. But it feels like maybe some of the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: best laid plans didn't go the way that a lot
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: of jazz fans thought they would. Maybe this is something
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: that the front office always considered to be a strong
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: possibility that this twenty six to twenty seven campaign would
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: not include Walker Kessler. Or a similarly talented young center.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: But to me, it feels like a departure from what
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: we thought the plan was.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: Is it a significant departure.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's certainly a departure, But I think
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: it's a departure for a reason. Right, Like we if
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: we think back to, you know, a couple of years
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 6: ago for Lowry Market at signing hang of the extension,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: right like everything at the front office is saying publicly
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: and even privately they're saying, it's even more right like that,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: we love Lowry markin and we want him to be
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: a part of the future. It's going to have it like,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: but nobody's off the table, right Like, we're going to
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: listen to offers. That's the job, right Like they have to.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: And so if an offer had come in for Lowry
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: that they thought, well, that actually might be better for
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: sustained success, right Like, that might be better for us down
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: the road. That is an offer that we can't really
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: pass up, then we're probably looking at a jazz team
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 6: that doesn't have Lari Markanon on it. That would have
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: been a departure from the plan. And at the Walker
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: Kessler situation, Yeah, the plan was to have Walker Kesler
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: on the roster. But I don't think that many people
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: were expecting for the Lakers to empty out their draft
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: coffers for Walker Kessler. I don't think that they were
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: The Jazz were expecting like, not only can we trade
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: Walker Kestler base get the rights to four first round picks,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: but we can also not have to take back any
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: contracts and just have room in the cap space and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: we get a trade exception. Like it was such a
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: such a such a good.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: Deal, and.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that's a departure from the plan, But it's
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: a departure because they listened to the offers and they
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: got something they felt like they couldn't pass up on.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Does it change the timeline significantly at all? Because timeline
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: for me is important with this Utah Jazz team because
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: you've asked for patients for you know, half a decade
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: now with no reward for your fan base. And while
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: this fan base is incredibly loyal, there's a limit to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: all of it, right, So does it significantly change the timeline?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Is Walker Kessler an important enough piece to this whole
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: thing that now you are not a play in team
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: or a borderline playoff team without somebody like him, if
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: you're going to start nirking instead, Is that going to
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: be a big enough change that now you have to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: pitch patients one more time to a fan base that's
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: pretty frustrated by it.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think so. I think, you know, if
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: it changes anything, it just changed. It doesn't change the timeline.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: It just changes kind of how the Jazz are going
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 6: to operate through the timeline. I think the Jazz are
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: still going to try to win as much as they
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: can this year. I think that, you know, for the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: purposes of whether or not this is a successful season
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: for the Jazz, that's probably like do they can they
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: make the play and can they make the playoffs? Like
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: that feels important this season, like this should be a
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: team that is able to kind of break through and
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: be a winning team this year. And so I think
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: that that still holds true. I don't think that even
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: with Walker Kessler, if you look at the roster as
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: constructed right now, that that's a team that anyone is thinking, Okay,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 6: that's a title contender. And so the timeline was never
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: under the assumption that the Jazz are going to be
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: actually competing for or ring this year. It was that
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: they're on the way up, right, And so I think
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: that that still stands. And now that trajectory, like the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: ramp up towards being an actual title contender, just includes
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 6: that you're going to have to probably get a better
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: rim protector at some point over the next couple of years.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: And I think that's totally fine, Like that's not ideal, right,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: but they were going to have to make changes to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: this roster anyways, And now that's one of the changes
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: that they're going to have to think about as they
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: start to see like who operates well, what groupings pair
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: together when they're on the floor, what the rotations might
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 6: look like. Like this is going to be a season
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: where it's important that the Jazz win, but also it's
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: just really important to learn what they actually have because
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: Will Hardy hasn't been unleashed enough. None of the players
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: have really been unleashed enough to know what it really
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: looks like when they're trying to play, like at a
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: high competitive level in the NBA.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Why is headed back to Toronto, Lebron might be going
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: back to Cleveland. Can we get Rudy Gobaar back in
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Utah or that rimt protection.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: I think that's gonna be a little out of the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: price range. But also when we're talking about timelines, right,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 6: like you're probably going to want someone that's a little
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: bit younger. Also, I don't know if that would be
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: a great reunion. I'm not sure about that.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm not in the personnel department for the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Utah Jazz.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd is our guest here talk at All Things
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: NBA on the Sean O'Connell show. So, getting back to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: what we saw from Darren Peterson in his first Summer
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: League game, and you know, like Aj debonsa Cam Boozer,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: they were kind of in that conversation. We don't overreact,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: We're not supposed to overreact to anything we're seeing. But
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: there's a chance that we get DP and Cam Boozer
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: tonight Jazz Grizzlies Summer League five o'clock Huntsman Center on ESPN,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: and you know, you get to see a little what
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: you have and a little what you did not get.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: And obviously Cam Boozer has a high ceiling as well
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: as does Aj DEBONSA. How closely are you going to
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: be watching Jazz Grizzlies and that aspect of the matchup.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit. I think importantly, you always have
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: to take a grain of sault with how people play
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: in summer league, Like, you know, it's important to think
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 6: back and realize that, you know, Cody Williams has looked
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 6: really good in summer League against a lot of what
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 6: he's been able to do hasn't really translated to the
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: NBA court.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: Yet.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: It's important to think about the fact that Keyante George
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: looked incredible in Las Vegas, had a game with like
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: thirty three is rookie season, and it took him a
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: couple of years to kind of materialize some of that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: on an NBA court, and so and there are so
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: so many guys. I mean, the annals of the NBA
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: is filled with guys who just look incredible in Summer
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: League and don't materialize at all, right, And so it
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: all has to be taken with a grain assault. That's
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: why I like I always urge people not to look
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: at the points, not to look at the scores. Know
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: it's you can even not look at the at the
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: box score at all, And just how does it feel
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: when the guys out they're out there on the court.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: And I think that's that's what's special. And that's what
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: stands out about Darren Peterson is that it looked like
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: light work.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: It looked easy.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: It doesn't. It didn't look like he was forcing anything.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: And so that's that's why it feels like it'll translate better.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: Of course, we're all going to be watching those matchups, right,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: We're all going to be watching about what it looks.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, I was watching Kingston Swimmings he was the
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 6: eighth pick, right, I'll be watching Camp Boozer, and you know,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: we're going to be thinking about those guys a lot
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: over the next few years, depending on how they perform
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: in their rookie seasons a year after that, because you're
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: going to be thinking like, oh, did we take the
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: right guy? You know, did the Jazz should they have
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: taken you know, Cam Boozer or even like Caleb Wilson.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: You're going to go down like.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: Oh, he was right there. But you know, if I
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: if I was a Jazz fan right now, I'd be thinking,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: you know, we did exactly.
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  Speaker 5: The right thing.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: He took the right guy, the best player available in
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: the moment my opinion, to literally the number one player
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: in the draft available, and you just got him at
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: number two and so it all looks good right now.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: Of course we're gonna be watching everyone else so closely.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: That's that's what all every hoops junky in the world
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: does is want to compare everything till the end of time.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: We've seen some crazy moves, including the Walker Kessler trade,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown got traded. Go why like we already references
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: headed back to Toronto. Lebron's going to have a new home
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: based on what we have seen in the off season.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Is there a new contender anywhere because of roster reconstruction?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think Miami's interesting, right Like does does
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: Joannison Bam and everyone else that Miami's trying to pull together?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: Does that make that interesting? Are the Lakers better or worse?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: Like, that's that's something that's interesting. The same thing can
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: be said for the Celtics the Sixers. There's a lot
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: of a lot of big moves, but I think that
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: I think the most interesting thing about them is that
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: among all of the big moves, the biggest thing that
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 6: you're wondering is like, hmm, does that make that seem
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 6: better or worse? It doesn't really stand out as it. Oh,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: that gives them a huge jump, And the only outlier
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: in that is probably Toronto, because you know, Kawhi showed
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: up there one time and took him to a one
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: year run to a title, and so showing up again,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, he just he's a talent lifter, and so
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 6: I think that's probably the biggest outlayer. I think all
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: of the other moves you're wondering, does that make them
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: better or worse?
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  Speaker 1: Usa, Belgium? Who you got?
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  Speaker 6: Oh man, I probably lose a lot of friends if
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: I say what I think is gonna happen. I'm gonna plead.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: You've said enough. Sarah todd Ow dare you?
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  Speaker 6: I'll say I'm going for Egypt later tonight. Okay, that's
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: what I'm gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, thank you so much for joining us on
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  Speaker 2: the show today. Enjoy Summer League. We'll chat again, Sue.
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  Speaker 6: All right, thanks a lot to see. Hey, don't don't
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: think that I haven't noticed that this is also not
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: a Friday show. I'm still waiting for my chance. We will.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: We will call you on Friday, specifically to let you
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: air some grievances.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, we're not even talking about best. We'll
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 6: just call me on Friday. I've got some things to say.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I like that that's what that's what the
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: grievances are for.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do it. Thanks Sarah, all right, talk soon.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd at NBA, Sarah Desnews, NBA and Jazz Insider.
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  Speaker 1: And look, I asked the question.
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  Speaker 2: I I understand that there's such the is an offer
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: you can't refuse, and I think that's what the Utah
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Jazz front office.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Got when it came to this Walker Kessler trade. But
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: I want to take a break.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to talk about does
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: it alter timelines? Is it enough of a timeline alterer
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  Speaker 2: that you're justified and maybe feeling frustrated by this as
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: a Utah Jazz fan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. When I was overseas, when I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: was enjoying Wimbledon and having some stroll brazing Cream. I
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: did not expect to see the big news about Walker
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Kessler being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. And I think,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: like we did last year with the possibility of Cooper
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Flag becoming a Utah Jazz man, some of us got
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit over fixated on the idea of the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: Jazz having this like monstrous front court with Lowry and
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Walker Kessler and Trey j And what will it look like.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Will that be enough to stop even like the Victor
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: winmbin Yamas of the world. Will that be something that
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Joker can't get through? And I just started to have these, like,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: you know, visions of sugar plums dancing in my head
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: about what the Utah Jazz front court was going to
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: And obviously Walker Kessler was a big part of that.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: And I still think you could easily make the case
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: that the bigger part of what they want to do,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: especially defensively, is Jaron Jackson junior, because he is the
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: former defensive Player of the Year. But Walker Kessler being
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: traded and being traded specifically for future draft capital is
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: something that feels like on a timeline front, you know,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: a two or three years ago type of decision for
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz. So I was like, hold on a minute,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: can this franchise afford to if the result is and
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we had that conversation with Gordion, I'm glad
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: we had that conversation with Sarah if the result is, oh,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: you're not as ready now to compete as you might
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: have been. All respect to use of Nurkic, right he's
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: he's not quite the upside player that Walker Kessler was.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: Supposed to be and beast feeling pretty bad about that
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: Wednesday decision in the World Cup. By the way, Yeah,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: Walker Kessler, excuse me, use of Nurkic is probably liking
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: every one of the Bosnian Football Federation's tweets that are
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: anti US men's national team right now.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so there's some tension. But let's say that you
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: Usuf Nurkic is now your starting center. Is your ceiling
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: as a franchise as high as it was with Walker
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Kessler as your starting center, assuming he's healthy. I think
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: the answer is no. Let's say that Usuf Nurkic is
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: not your starting center and you decide to go a
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: little bit smaller in the lineup and go with Jared
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: Jackson Junior as your five, is your ceiling as high
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: as a franchise? Well, maybe this is better in certain
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: aspects right now, the question about whether or not you're
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: going to have Darren Peterson, Keyante, George Ace Bailey everyone
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: kind of coexisting harmoniously. Maybe it gets a little bit
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: easier when you let Ace play frontcourt a little bit
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: more often, when you let him be a big and
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: a small lineup, a bigger player in a small lineup,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's maybe that's better for you. I mean, it's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: it's a genuine question for me. Also, the factor of
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: that Sarah that we've talked about plenty, like, is Will
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: Hardy the tactician ready to flip a switch and be like,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: all right now, we're actually trying to win. Now instead
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: of manipulating my lineups in a way that makes it
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: look like a compelling loss, I'm gonna manipulate my lineups
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: in a way that I'm supposed to win, and I'm
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: supposed to do it today because there is no there
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: is no more.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: All Right, we'll do it next year for the Utah Jazz.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: There's not You're not gonna be able to convince anyone.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, we thought we were gonna have Walker, but
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: then this offer came in.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: We just had to take it.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty eight, that's when we're really gonna
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: flip the switch and turn it on. It's an absolute
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: zero sum game for the fan base when it comes
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: to that. I guess that all boils down to how
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: big of a loss from this roster is Walker Kessler?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: And listen, I don't how many wins do you not
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: get because Walker Kessler is not your starting center this year?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Because if it's eleven, that's a big deal. That's the
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: difference between you being a playoff play in turn team
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: and being another a team that once again.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Missed the playoffs.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: If it's three, probably not that big of a deal
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: and certainly worth the pickswaps and the acquisitions of future
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: draft capital. And by the way, who knows if or
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: when any of that is going to be utilized to
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: make this Utah Jazz team a competitor, a contender quicker
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, like, I don't think there's any question
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: whether or not this was a good deal to.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Make in the long term.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: My question is, are you really able to think long
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: term the same way other NBA teams are because you've
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: been playing this long game for so long, and it
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: is to the ultimate frustration of a very loyal fan base.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: If you extend that out any further, that big of
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: loss is Walker Kessler to be determined, but to me
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: felt like in the immediate short future kind of a
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: big loss.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think his loss should be understated, but
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: I also think it's equally important not to overstate his loss.
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  Speaker 1: And he is. I think that's where you have to
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: net out on it. He he is.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: I think that you can get a reasonable fact simile
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: of that monstrous lineup that we all envisioned. Walker Kessler
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: would be part of Lowry Trade J Walker. It's yeah,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: with with Lowry Trade, J and Nirk. I really do
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: think you can get a reasonable fact simile. Now, don't misunderstand,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Nurkic is anywhere near the player
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: that Kessler could be right, but he'll give you something
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: close enough. I think Jackson Hayes is a terrible NBA player,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: did not like that move. He's also probably a terrible person,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: so there's that. But whatever, you have to use your
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: cap space. Somehow, the the center market really dried up
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: before you decided to make that move to trade Kessler
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: to la for what is a really good package of
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: draft capital. I still think this Jazz team will be
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: in the mix, if not in a play in position.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think that there's some people who are saying, well,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: they're not gonna be a playing team now. I just
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think they. I don't think those people watched
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: how well Nurkic played with the Jazz. I mean I
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: had like, what four triple doubles in a row, two three,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: four triple doubles in a row somewhere. Yes, on a
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: team that's trying to lose. But this was a guy
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: that when the Jazz traded for him, thought he would
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: be on the he would not play at all and
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: would be out of the league. Like that was our
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: expectation for use of nurket She ended up being a
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: really good backup center and a guy that for he
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: ended up being a starting center because Kesler didn't play
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: all last year.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Right, So I.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: He's a better player than people are are giving him
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: credit for, especially in the system, and this means more
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: minutes for Ace Bailey. Like you said, they're probably gonna
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: have a lot of Ace Bailey at small forward type
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: thing that's gonna be that's gonna be a reason for
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: an indicator of success for the Utah Jazz. I think
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: he's gonna play contribute a lot to that. The other thing,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: long term, we've been kind of hinting at this oc
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: it did. I could not see the Jazz being able
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: to keep Walker Kessler and Keyonte George financial financially. So
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: this means they get to keep Keyante George, which is
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: not a bad thing either to.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: Kind of choose to keep Kyante.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: And the other thing about this is when you've stockpiled
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: draft picks and you're a team that does not attract
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: top free agents, one of the ways that you can
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: get impactful, important players, and usually it's going to be
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: on kind of a shorter term rental, right because they're
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: not going to want to extend, maybe necessarily. But a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: way that you can force that issue and you can
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: convince guys is you trade for him.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: Instead of trying to convince it. You say, look, I like.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: What you've got over here, Denver, I like what you've
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: got over here Portland. I like what you got over
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: here New Orleans. Here's some picks you need them, you stink.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: All right, we've got a young roster. We don't need
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: to have this like plethora of first rounders. So here's
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: a couple. Here's a pickswap that we got from the Lakers.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: You can have that. Now here's something else we got
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: from the Lakers. You can also have that. Give me
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's a direct replacement for Walker Kessler, or maybe,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: like your saying, maybe it you know NRK does enough,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: or maybe.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: Jery grade from Jackson Hayes's backup center.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe maybe maybe trade j ends up being
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: a good enough five for what you want to do.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: So you're like, all right, but the acquisition possibilities when
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: you have draft capital is a lot more important for
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz than it is for maybe any other
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: team in the league. So I totally understand why you
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: made the trade, why you had to make the trade,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: had to make the trade at that price. My initial
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: reaction to it was, oh, wait, is this a slowing
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: down of the improvement process?
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, hopefully not.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: Hopefully Will Hardy is a good enough coach and everyone
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: else is healthy enough that it's not a slowing down.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: But you ain't a contender this year anyway. So uh,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: there's not a meaningful difference for me between being a
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: play in team and a playoff team. If that's the
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: difference that Walker Kessler's absence makes, yeh fine. If it's
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: not making the playoffs or making the play in with
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's one that's.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Gonna be harder to swallow. And I absolutely agree with that.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: I say all that's all that that I said about
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: feeling pretty good about the Jazz getting to where we
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: thought they would get with Walker Kessler.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: Without him still being able to get there.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: Like I would prefer Walker Kessler be on this team,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: all of us would. But choosing Walker Kessler now probably
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: means that you can't choose Keyante later. So you're probably
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: netting out in the same place, admittedly a different position,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: a different position, and that's what we'll see how everything
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: plays out.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: I think in the West in the near future a
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: more important position.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the center is absolutely and.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: Because of what san Antonio is dealing with down there,
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why the Celtics who overachieved in
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: the right were seasoned to the point where they were
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: a two seed, the point where myself included, and a
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: lot of people, the betting X, the betting places, the sportsbooks,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: and a lot of the NBA experts had them as
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: the favorites to win the East going in the playoffs.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: One of the reasons why they got bounced in the
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: first round is because they did not have a viable
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: starting center. All due respect to our our guy, Aggie
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: Great Nimeus Cada, he was not it. When Joel Embiid
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: was able to make his way back into that series
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: right from injury, and the Sixers won three in a
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: row in Austondham in Game seven, So losing Walker Kessler
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: is a big deal. Jaron Jackson Junior cannot rebound for
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: a guy as big as he is and as great
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: as shop Walker as he is, He's just he just
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't rebound the ball like you'd expect him to be.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: So Walker being a great rebounder, I think Nurkic is
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: gonna give you enough of That was a big deal.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: Is like he's that's a true five.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: To play with a dynamic four like Jared Jackson Junior,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: They're gonna have to Nurkic is gonna have to be
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: good enough for now, and they're gonna have to find
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: a long term solution with trade, with trading these draft
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: picks or drafting a guy or coming up with a
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: good free agent. In the next couple of years, I
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: think they will.
• 2:07:14
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  Speaker 2: July twenty eighth. That'll be Post Malone and Jelly Roll
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  Speaker 2: two tickets if you can text the correct answer to
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  Speaker 2: this question eight seven seven three five to three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred. The official Big twelve Preseason All Conference email
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  Speaker 2: was sent out today. Media members just made one preseason
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  Speaker 2: All Conference team for the offense for the defense? How
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  Speaker 2: many utes were honored as preseason All Conference eight seven
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  Speaker 2: seven three five to three zero seven hundred? How many
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  Speaker 2: utes got preseason All Conference nods? In today's email, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to be doing two full days of Big twelve
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  Speaker 2: Media Day coverages from Frisco Texas. Texas is wonderful this
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: time of year. It's nice and hot. There's World Cup
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  Speaker 2: soccer happening right now Spain Portugal at the half zero zero.
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  Speaker 2: Our Big twelve Media Day coverage is going to be
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  Speaker 2: back days of full coverage beginning at eight thirty Mountain time.
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  Speaker 2: Both days, it'll be Me, it'll be Spence check Its,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: it'll be a rotating cast. Of characters, coaches and players
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  Speaker 2: from every school in the conference, and you know Brett
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  Speaker 2: or Mark, We're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna try and get them all.
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  Speaker 2: The driver of Spence check Its is next and Spence
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  Speaker 2: is actually right here in studio High Spence.
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  Speaker 8: Do you have an opinion on energy drinks?
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  Speaker 1: I don't drink them.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 8: Neither do I.
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  Speaker 9: So I feel like currently I'm on crack. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 9: we're gonna have a fun show today.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a rock star punch in front of you.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know that I've ever had one of these.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So busy morning for your boy catching a flight tonight.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 8: I had to get a lot of things done.
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  Speaker 9: Usually I'm like a one cold brew in the morning
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  Speaker 9: type coffee drinker. Didn't even have time to do that.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 9: All right, got some gas for the car. It's like,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 9: you know what, I'm gonna try one of these rocks.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 9: What this is about, dude, I'm telling you, I get it.
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  Speaker 9: Like all my mobros, all my homies that are mos,
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  Speaker 9: they love the energy drink simply like my brother Andrew
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  Speaker 9: is ridiculously addicted to them. Yeah, sure sure, And I
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  Speaker 9: usually I'm like, no, I'm not drinking these. I'm going
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  Speaker 9: to have my coffee and be fine. And now I
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  Speaker 9: understand why they're pounding these all the time.
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  Speaker 8: I am ready to have a good show. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: How are you great? I'm excited for you. Yeah, it's
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: good to be back.
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  Speaker 8: How was your experience?
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome, you know.
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  Speaker 8: I've heard such great things about that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to be able to do it Wimbledon
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  Speaker 1: last week. You know. It's one of those things like.
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  Speaker 2: You just you watch it on TV all growing up
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  Speaker 2: and never think you're gonna have an opportunity to do it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you're sitting at Center Court for a couple
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: of matches on a random Thursday, and it's like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe we're here.
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  Speaker 1: I got to hold I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: I got to hold the hawk that keeps pigeons away
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  Speaker 2: from Wimbledon.
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  Speaker 1: Did Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: His name is Rufus. He's an American Harris Hawk, all right.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why you don't get pigeon poop or
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  Speaker 2: pigeons in general around the Wimbledon grounds is because of Rufus.
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  Speaker 2: And he was there at Center Court when we got there,
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  Speaker 2: and we went and talked to the lady who was
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  Speaker 2: his handler, and I was just like, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Can you take a picture. She's like, yeah, you want
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  Speaker 2: to hold him? I'm like, yeah, so it was really
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: great an American hawk. Yeah, so the Bread's have to
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: even use our hawks.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 9: In seventeen seventy six. Anymore later, now come begging for
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 9: our hawk. I've never been to Wimbledon because, as our
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  Speaker 9: listeners know, the difference between you and I, as I'm
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 9: a man of the people. You live up on the
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 9: top of the mountain by the Capitol. I'm just down
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  Speaker 9: with the rest of the little people. Maybe at some
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  Speaker 9: point I'll be able to see a cool thing like you.
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  Speaker 2: When people hear the name Check, it's yep, they think
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: blue collar. When they hear the name O'Connell, they're like
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: silver spoon Trust fun.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Wimbledon on one side, Yeah, maybe go to Liberty
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  Speaker 9: Park and get a couple of matches in on the other.
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  Speaker 9: That's how it goes. Are you ready for our two
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 9: longest days of the year.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am. I'm excited about it.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: Be fun, you know, it's it serves as kind of
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: an unofficial kickoff of like full football coverage gets us
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to have some face time with you know,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: players all over the conference. You will use a really
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: fascinating team this year. Utah is a really fascinating team
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: this year. You and I both know Morgan incredibly well,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: and he gets to take the reins for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is his destiny.
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  Speaker 2: It's something he's been building toward for twenty five years,
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  Speaker 2: and we get to watch it unfold in real time.
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  Speaker 1: This is his first media day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna by the way, Morgan scally is
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: going to win over the conference the way that Dion
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: Sanders did a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: He is that charismatic.
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  Speaker 9: But the difference is Morgan will do media and.
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  Speaker 1: His team will win games.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Will Dion even be there, Yeah, he'll be there. Will
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 9: Texas Tech put a moratorium on Brendan Sowsby questions?
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  Speaker 1: They can't.
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  Speaker 9: I'm aware, But will we be you know the game
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  Speaker 9: these days? Will will we be gently encouraged to potentially
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  Speaker 9: not talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care to talk to really most of the
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: players about it. I don't the coach, the athletic director,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Cody Campbell, who will be down there shaking hands and
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: kissing babies. They should take this opportunity should probably won't
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: should take this opportunity to say, look, we'll say what
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: we need to say, well, answer what we need to answer,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: and then let's all put it to rest and let's
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: move on after this.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: And by the way, all of us would comply.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, we would all be like, yeah, let's just
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: move on after this because he's not playing. He's not
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: playing anywhere. But explain yourselves and they should do that.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: They should take that medicine. I don't think they will,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: but they should.
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  Speaker 9: The first year you and I went down it would
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 9: maybe this was still PAC twelve was Dion's first year
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 9: at Colorado, Colorado's last year in the PAC twelve. Yes,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 9: because the first year he was in our ecosystem, he
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 9: didn't talk to anybody. He wouldn't let Shad or talk
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 9: to anybody. So we interviewed Shiloh I believe, right, didn't
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 9: you and I interview him?
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  Speaker 1: That was actually a big twelve media days.
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  Speaker 9: That was big twelve Okay, because I was trying to
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 9: think as I was just kind of doing some prep
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 9: and looking at some notes, like have we ever interviewed
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 9: Dion at a media I didn't think so.
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  Speaker 1: No, Actually funny enough.
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  Speaker 2: Last year at Big twelve Media Days, the national outlets
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  Speaker 2: all got him.
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  Speaker 1: He did, like the podium.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then BYU TV got him because their whole
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: setup was so giant that everyone just as their setup
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: was bigger than Fox is.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Set up and bigger than ESPN set up. So Dion
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: set down on the byu TV set.
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  Speaker 9: If you walked in and it wasn't labeled BYU TV,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 9: you'd be like, oh, cool ESPN setup this year. Yes,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 9: and then you know what, we'll just leave it there.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 9: They've got a really nice setup.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: It's great.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, good for them.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see those guys, Jarem and guys.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, nice group of people, and it will be good
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 9: to back to Morgan. He'll give us like twenty five minutes.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 9: You know, is not Paul Kirk. If you're listening, don't
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 9: step in. Let us interview our guy. Remember last year
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 9: when Kirk put a time limit on Bill's interview, We're like, wait,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 9: what Bill Riley has a handler? Now, come on, Paul
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 9: dude used to do midday radio show at our station
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 9: for twenty years. Give us twenty minutes with Bill, please?
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Well, it's gonna be fun again, it's
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: the Wednesday will be when Utah's featured. Yeah, so you'll
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: you'll hear some podium stuff from Utah tomorrow. I think,
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: just be coach if I'm not mistaken, and then uh,
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday will dive in deep.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get all the players.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, there's a significant amount of overkill happening
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: with some of these guest lists. For the other teams,
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: coaches are bringing six players. Oh wow, Well I'm sorry,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: we don't need that.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 8: No, we don't.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: We want to talk to your three best guys at
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: the most.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 8: Should we coordinate outfits?
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 8: What are you wearing?
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing?
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: Nude?
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 8: Big twelve media day? Well we'll make headlines, let's go. Okay.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: Uh no, I'm just gonna wear regular clothes, some jorts
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: and a cutoff T shirt.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 8: I got this because it's my travel gear.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 8: It's head to heads here, sucker. Yeah, man of the people.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, So I will be wearing this the second
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 9: day because we're flying out after the second day tomorrow.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 8: Tomorrow, I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Slacks, all right, shorts or no shorts because it's kind
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: of like it's unprofessional to wear shorts at an official function.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 8: We're on the radio.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: We're on the radio, and we're not professional anyway.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say clothed at a bare minimum, But
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 9: who really gives we're on the radio. I got slacks
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 9: and a polo head. Dad's here, sucker. And bring a
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 9: swimsuit in case things get weird. Okay, is there a
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 9: pool at the hotel. There's got to be a very
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 9: nice hotel. You should always just bring a swimsuit in
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 9: case something happens if you get invited to go hot
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 9: something with brock hospile or something. Who knows, And then
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 9: we'll put that argument to bed once and for all.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: Right, that's a whole different can of worms and open.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 9: I wonder if my arch enemy will be there, though,
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 9: because if he is, I'm from him. He's not your
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 9: arch enemy just because he's taller and better looking. No,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 9: that's he's not taller. Yes, I think the looks. I
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 9: think we could have a healthy debate. We'll let you
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 9: have that debate with yourself.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 8: That's fine.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive with Spence Check. It's the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: next time you hear us, Well, the next time you
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: hear me. It will be on Big twelve Media Days tomorrow,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: starting at eight thirty Mountain Time. Look forward to it.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive. Sean O'Connell Show's done. It's
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