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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
- 0:21S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and Crew.
- 0:50S5: Will you look at the book of acts and all
- 0:52S5: you see is impact, impact, impact. And I'm talking lives change.
- 0:57S5: People set free. those that surrendered to Jesus. Whoa! Walking
- 1:03S5: away from inheritance, family, customs into a relationship with Jesus Christ.
- 1:11S5: I mean, the cost was high, but the impact was undeniable.
- 1:16S5: What a great week we're going to have. High impact
- 1:19S5: ministries are one of the coolest things on the planet,
- 1:22S5: and all they are is God's people, God's resources leveraged
- 1:26S5: into the lives of people. So I want to start
- 1:30S5: this hour with a fun question.
- 1:33S3: Okay.
- 1:34S5: You ready for it?
- 1:35S3: Yeah, let's do it.
- 1:37S5: What ministry has most impacted your life?
- 1:42S3: Ooh.
- 1:42S5: Now, this could be parachurch ministry, meaning coming alongside the church.
- 1:47S5: It could be a subset of something in the church.
- 1:51S5: It could be almost anything. But what ministry? What ministry
- 1:58S5: has most impacted your life? Want you to think about
- 2:02S5: that for a moment. We're going to be lining these
- 2:05S5: up today and tomorrow. I'll tell you, we're going to
- 2:07S5: be talking about it all week long, but let's get
- 2:10S5: it out there. This is your opportunity for cheer, to
- 2:13S5: cheer for what God has used to really transform your life.
- 2:18S5: You think about high impact ministry, and there there has
- 2:25S5: to be a point at which felt like this was
- 2:28S5: transformative in me. This changed my trajectory. I want you
- 2:33S5: to give us a call right now. We are going
- 2:34S5: to light them up here for a few minutes. Boom. Crew.
- 2:37S5: What ministry? Think about it. This is your personal testimony
- 2:40S5: has most impacted your life. 800 555, 78, 98. We're
- 2:47S5: coming out hot. It's Carl and Dude here this morning.
- 2:50S3: That's right. Just me and you, man.
- 2:52S5: 805 557898. Let's go. Come on, come on. Oh, did
- 3:01S5: I see one here that I share in common? Did
- 3:04S5: I see one here? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Chuck Swindoll
- 3:10S5: is teaching program about 20 years ago, on my way
- 3:12S5: to work every morning, for sure. Chuck Swindoll was my
- 3:16S5: he was my pastor, mentor, and friend. And even before
- 3:20S5: I met him.
- 3:21S3: I love that. I love that you got to meet him. Oh, yeah.
- 3:24S3: That's really cool.
- 3:25S5: Dynamite. Dynamite. Dynamite. Man of God. Still preaching. Not as regularly,
- 3:30S5: but still preaching phone lines. Let's light them up. 805 5578, 98.
- 3:37S5: What ministry has most impacted your life? Zim packed week guys.
- 3:43S5: It's time for you to cheer. We're getting. We're coming into.
- 3:46S5: I hate to say it. We're coming into a season
- 3:49S5: when ministries are going to shift gears and it's called fall.
- 3:52S5: The season is called fall, and I'm sorry about that.
- 3:57S5: I can't smell pigskin in the air, but it's close.
- 4:00S5: It's about two weeks out. You're going to be able
- 4:01S5: to smell pigskin everywhere across North America and beyond.
- 4:04S3: Pretty sure the first preseason game Hall of Fame game
- 4:07S3: is this Thursday. Oh, boy. So there will be a
- 4:10S3: little pigskin in the air.
- 4:11S5: Here we go. 805. Five, five, 78, 98. What ministry
- 4:17S5: has most impacted your life? Uh, this is an opportunity
- 4:22S5: for us to hear from you and steal ideas for
- 4:26S5: this fall ministry season that's coming our way. Here we go.
- 4:30S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 4:34S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 4:38S1: Moody Radio.
- 4:40S5: Miracle power. We the kingdom. It's Carl and crew. We're
- 4:43S5: talking today in this whole week about high impact. And
- 4:47S5: we're asking you a simple little question. What are those
- 4:50S5: high impact ministries that have really changed the trajectory of
- 4:53S5: your life. Stephanie in Flossmoor, Illinois. What do you say, Steph?
- 4:58S6: Hey, grief support is what has impacted me to impact
- 5:01S6: other people, especially when someone comes through grief support and
- 5:05S6: they were all broke down. And then we teach them,
- 5:08S6: there's only one way to get through that hill for
- 5:10S6: that healing is to go through. You can't get over it,
- 5:13S6: but you can definitely get through.
- 5:15S5: Yeah, by the power and grace of God. Right, sister?
- 5:18S6: Yes, absolutely.
- 5:20S5: Way to go. Love it. Thank you for weighing in
- 5:22S5: on that one. Grief support. Powerful, powerful ministry for sure. Claudia. Cleveland, Ohio.
- 5:28S5: What do you say, Claudia?
- 5:30S7: Doctor Jeremiah was a big part of me surviving the
- 5:34S7: death of my only son. He taught me to get
- 5:38S7: into the word from the Bible. I studied three years
- 5:42S7: of revelation with him through every TV program, radio program.
- 5:48S7: And then I took a ride out to California, San Diego,
- 5:52S7: and I sat in the second row and watched him preach.
- 5:56S5: When he when he said that that powerful and impact
- 5:59S5: on you long distance. You just got to see him,
- 6:01S5: don't you, Claudia?
- 6:03S7: Absolutely.
- 6:04S5: Yeah. Way to go, sister. Doctor David. Jeremiah, a great
- 6:07S5: man of God. I had the privilege of sitting next
- 6:09S5: to him at a at a luncheon. Actually, my bride
- 6:12S5: was the closest to him, and they chatted it up
- 6:14S5: for a long time. He's a rich man of faith
- 6:17S5: and a great communicator. And yeah, when he gets into revelation,
- 6:21S5: Katie bar the door. My goodness, he's amazing. Yeah, he's
- 6:26S5: an amazing guy. So we're asking that question and I
- 6:29S5: want you to think about it. And we're seeing mops
- 6:33S5: come in here. Mothers of preschoolers for sure. John MacArthur,
- 6:36S5: God's pit crew don't know what that is exactly. Took
- 6:40S5: a class at my church. Yep. Sometimes it's just these
- 6:43S5: little one offs. Oh, by Robert Lewis called Authentic Manhood.
- 6:47S5: And I will say it changed my life forever. Ooh,
- 6:52S5: by the way, let me put a banner ad up here.
- 6:55S5: Tomorrow I am guest hosting Chris Brooks, and I'm going
- 6:58S5: to have Robert Lewis on at Noon Central for a
- 7:03S5: full hour with the CEO as well of Better Man Ministries.
- 7:08S5: And you're going to want to park it there, guys.
- 7:11S5: In fact, I'm calling all men. Join me tomorrow at
- 7:13S5: high noon central time for Chris Brooks equipped. I'm going
- 7:18S5: to be guest host in there. And we're going to
- 7:19S5: have an incredible time. Incredible time. Better man. Yeah. Robert
- 7:24S5: Lewis used powerfully. Okay. Coming up here in a moment.
- 7:27S5: We want to get an update on what's going on
- 7:29S5: in Iran. 93.2 million people call Iran home. That means
- 7:36S5: if you just do the math, there's 80 million people
- 7:41S5: that are in one way, shape or form hoping against
- 7:45S5: hope that the regime collapses, and that this iron fist
- 7:50S5: of the mullahs would be released. What's going on in
- 7:54S5: the meantime? And we're going to get updates on what's
- 7:57S5: happening geopolitically coming up with Lana Silk.
- 8:01S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
- 8:05S1: Cast and Crew.
- 8:07S5: We've been tracking the events of Iran. And with us
- 8:10S5: right now is Lana Silk. We want to get updates
- 8:12S5: on what's happening. And here's why. Boom crew 92.3 million
- 8:16S5: people live in Iran. At least at least 80 million
- 8:21S5: want to come out from under the fist of the
- 8:24S5: regime that is there. It's abusive. It's it's a regime
- 8:29S5: that stands staunchly against women's rights. It is destructive to
- 8:37S5: families and individuals. Protesters have been executed in the streets,
- 8:43S5: hunted down. to a horrific situation. It's so much more
- 8:46S5: than nuclear grade dust or gas prices, for sure. And
- 8:52S5: Lana Silk understands this. She's the president and CEO of
- 8:55S5: Transform Iran, and she's with us right now. Lana. Oh
- 9:00S5: my goodness. It's like you guys are pawns in a
- 9:03S5: big old global chess game here, sister.
- 9:06S8: It does feel that way sometimes, Karl. It seems every
- 9:09S8: time you feel you have a handle on it, the
- 9:11S8: rules of the game change.
- 9:12S5: Yeah, I know that we were poised for unleashing some
- 9:18S5: real fury on the regime, and now they're supposedly back
- 9:22S5: at the table. What makes us think that the mullahs
- 9:25S5: and the Revolutionary Guard are going to keep any kind
- 9:30S5: of MOU going forward? Can we trust them?
- 9:34S8: No, not at all. No. Negotiations are a useful time
- 9:39S8: for the Iranian regime to have a break from the
- 9:42S8: fighting and regroups. So definitely for them it's a tactical decision.
- 9:46S8: If they need a pause, they go back to the
- 9:49S8: negotiation table.
- 9:50S5: Do you have any insights about what's going on geopolitically?
- 9:53S5: What's happening? Anything that's not on the headlines that we
- 9:57S5: need to know about?
- 9:59S8: Well, it's actually been really interesting that just in the
- 10:03S8: last couple of days, Iran has actually has been pretty
- 10:06S8: vocal about how this conflict is going to go wider
- 10:11S8: if things continue this way. And they've sent a message
- 10:14S8: as well to their proxies to say, you know, nothing
- 10:18S8: has changed. We've still got your back. The strategy hasn't changed.
- 10:21S8: Keep going. You know, we are resisting. So I don't
- 10:25S8: think Iran's position is changing. It's perhaps not such a
- 10:28S8: big secret, but it's worth knowing clearly when we're talking
- 10:31S8: about negotiating and peace deals. Iran is continuing in the
- 10:36S8: same vein as it has done for years.
- 10:38S5: So in the middle of all of this abuse and terror,
- 10:43S5: and it's really terror that the people live under. There
- 10:46S5: is a group and a growing group. One of the
- 10:50S5: many say it's hard to get data points, good data points,
- 10:53S5: but many say that Iran is the fastest growing church
- 10:57S5: in the world. And the question is, how can this
- 11:01S5: be when if you take a stand for Christ and
- 11:06S5: anybody hears about it, they can report you and you'll
- 11:09S5: be at least imprisoned if not executed. How can this
- 11:12S5: be apart from the power of the Holy Spirit? Lana.
- 11:16S8: Oh, absolutely. All credit goes to God. He is doing
- 11:19S8: such an amazing thing in Iran. People are hungry, people
- 11:22S8: are desperate, and we know that the Lord loves them.
- 11:26S8: And in his love, he's reaching out to them and
- 11:28S8: drawing them to himself. And we keep hearing stories of
- 11:31S8: people who have found a way to connect with God,
- 11:37S8: with with the Christian community with with a found a
- 11:41S8: Bible and you know, are just exploring and growing and
- 11:43S8: coming alive.
- 11:45S5: Now give us a fresh story or two of what
- 11:47S5: you're hearing.
- 11:49S9: Well, a story I heard just a couple of days
- 11:51S9: ago showed some of.
- 11:52S8: The scale of what's happening. So this is a single
- 11:55S8: apartment block in Iran. So, you know, you're talking over
- 11:58S8: 100 homes stacked on top of each other and none
- 12:02S8: no one was talking to each other about Jesus. And
- 12:05S8: then suddenly little sparks began to fly. So a person
- 12:09S8: that we know in the building who was a believer
- 12:13S8: said that they were just in the elevator one day,
- 12:16S8: and a woman that never met before stepped in and
- 12:20S8: just suddenly hugged this person and asked them if they're
- 12:23S8: a believer. So it must have been a spirit to
- 12:26S8: spirit connection. And of course, the response was, yes, I am,
- 12:29S8: and oh, so am I. This person starts crying, you know,
- 12:33S8: had just had come to faith a year ago and
- 12:36S8: had never had the courage to tell anyone, and it
- 12:38S8: was just sort of brewing inside with this faith and
- 12:40S8: was desperate for Christian connection. And then a couple days later,
- 12:44S8: the same believer was with another believer in a public park,
- 12:48S8: just having a sort of secret Christian meeting together. And
- 12:52S8: a man approaches them and says, Will you pray with me?
- 12:54S8: I gave my life to the Lord, and I'm sorry.
- 12:56S8: I kind of got connected to believers about a year ago,
- 13:00S8: but I haven't had the courage to take it any further.
- 13:02S8: But I think I'm ready. So they right there in
- 13:04S8: the park led him to the Lord. And then they're
- 13:07S8: leaving the park and on the way back. So all
- 13:09S8: of this is connected to them building. These are residents
- 13:11S8: and building. They're leaving the park and they have a
- 13:14S8: sense that they need to turn around and go back again.
- 13:17S8: And when they do, they come across a family with
- 13:20S8: a young child and the same story again. Are you Christians?
- 13:24S8: Can we hear more about this? And they end up
- 13:26S8: giving their lives to the Lord. So all these sort of.
- 13:28S8: And from this one apartment block, we believe about 70
- 13:31S8: homes have shown testimonies like this showing that they're following Jesus.
- 13:35S5: Now this is Book of acts stuff. Lana.
- 13:39S8: Oh, yes. Yes it is. Yes!
- 13:41S5: Oh my goodness. Okay, let's get really practical. You've got
- 13:46S5: Transform Iran, by the way. You were were you raised
- 13:50S5: in Tehran? Where, where where were you raised? Yes. Okay.
- 13:53S5: In Tehran.
- 13:53S8: Tehran, yes.
- 13:54S5: And there's 16, 17 million people just in that city alone. How, how?
- 14:02S5: With all the lockdown and the attempts to surveil any communication,
- 14:07S5: how do you get support to these people? I'm curious
- 14:09S5: about these people that are coming to Jesus. Do they
- 14:12S5: have access to a Bible? What? How? What's going on?
- 14:17S8: Yeah, we have a pretty good network inside the country.
- 14:21S8: So it really is a case of, you know, Fred
- 14:24S8: talks to Jack, talks to Amy and the sort of
- 14:27S8: it's all very person to person. Careful. Sometimes the conversation
- 14:31S8: will happen and then they'll delete the conversation, Delete the contact.
- 14:34S8: Off their phones. There's making sure there's no sort of
- 14:37S8: breadcrumb trail there. Leading the government through the network. Um,
- 14:42S8: we sent aid into our sort of hubs into the country,
- 14:46S8: and they distribute aid. And while they do that, they'll
- 14:48S8: distribute Bibles and minister to people. We hear stories of
- 14:52S8: new people who need help. We have to be very
- 14:55S8: careful with those, because sometimes it's just a government attempt
- 14:58S8: to figure out our network. But once we're confident that
- 15:02S8: they're genuine cases, then we can send help to people
- 15:05S8: as well.
- 15:06S5: So the Bible is translated into Farsi, is that correct?
- 15:11S8: Yes. And a very small handful of other languages. In Iran.
- 15:15S8: There are more than 39 languages in Iran, but very few,
- 15:18S8: less than five of them have a Bible in their
- 15:21S8: own language. So there's a lot of work still to do.
- 15:23S5: What happens if you get caught with a Bible?
- 15:27S8: Really, it depends on the mood and discretion of the
- 15:30S8: people who've arrested you and the judicial system around that.
- 15:35S8: They could very easily execute you. They would do that
- 15:37S8: within the law. The law says it's illegal to have
- 15:41S8: something like that in possession, but often it's more acts
- 15:44S8: of harassment, intimidation. They'll beat people, they'll torture people, they'll
- 15:47S8: put them in solitary confinement, they'll threaten their families. You know,
- 15:51S8: they just want it to stop. But they want to
- 15:54S8: instil a sense of fear in people that it's not
- 15:57S8: worth it. The after the consequences are too severe.
- 16:01S5: Have you heard of any of the Republican Guard who
- 16:04S5: are God fearing men who are almost supernaturally lenient with
- 16:12S5: people because they have a hunch that these people are
- 16:16S5: walking in the truth? Is there anything like that going
- 16:19S5: or is the Republican Guard all staunchly behind the mullahs there?
- 16:24S8: And by and large it is. But there are little
- 16:27S8: pockets of stories. I mean, certainly a very kind of
- 16:31S8: major case of lenience would expose a person like that.
- 16:34S8: So I think in more cases than not, those people
- 16:36S8: find a way to try to leave. I heard stories
- 16:40S8: of people earlier this year who refused immoral orders and
- 16:45S8: had to resign over those. So there have been cases
- 16:48S8: like that and others where they've given warning to people.
- 16:51S8: You know, we've had people in our network where someone
- 16:54S8: has let them know you are being tracked, you know,
- 16:56S8: you're next, find a different place to meet or you
- 16:59S8: need to disappear for a while. That kind of thing
- 17:02S8: happens as well.
- 17:03S5: How large a group can meet together? Is this 1
- 17:05S5: or 2? Or can you get 20 in a home?
- 17:07S5: I guess if you get 20 in a home, man,
- 17:09S5: that's attracting some. Yeah. Attention.
- 17:12S8: Ill advised 20. Yes, definitely. When people come through our
- 17:15S8: discipleship program, we ask them to keep it very small.
- 17:18S8: I mean, even when you get to sort of 12
- 17:20S8: to 15, you're it's already a little bit suspicious. It
- 17:24S8: depends how often and how regular. Like if it's every
- 17:27S8: Tuesday at 3:00. That's suspicious. So part of it is
- 17:30S8: shake it up, you know, meet somewhere, meet in the park,
- 17:33S8: meet in a cafe, meeting a different person. Just make
- 17:36S8: it different. Iranians are social people. Families are important. Families
- 17:40S8: are large. So as long as it looks like a
- 17:42S8: family gathering, then you're fine.
- 17:45S5: What is the favorite book of the new converts? Those
- 17:50S5: that are truly following Jesus. Is there a book that
- 17:53S5: they lean into? Do you hear a word back about
- 17:57S5: a book of the Bible?
- 17:59S10: Oh, that's an interesting question.
- 18:01S8: Um, I don't know that for sure. I would be guessing,
- 18:04S8: but I think acts would be right up there because
- 18:07S8: they are living such similar experiences. I was preaching to our, um,
- 18:12S8: digital church network yesterday and I was leaning heavily into Hebrews.
- 18:15S8: You know, there's so many passages in the scriptures that
- 18:18S8: really detail our suffering. And my message was all around,
- 18:22S8: how do we navigate suffering? You know, how do we
- 18:25S8: figure out what God is teaching us through times where
- 18:27S8: it really just is unjust. And if you go through
- 18:31S8: some of the things that are listed, I was in Hebrews,
- 18:33S8: it was very specific, you know, confiscation of property, imprisonment, harassment, social, um, pressures.
- 18:39S8: I think, oh my goodness, there might as well be
- 18:41S8: talking about what's happening in Iran today. So people do
- 18:44S8: really identify with the fact that the, the New Testament
- 18:48S8: church had very similar lived experiences. And yet look what
- 18:51S8: God did through them.
- 18:53S5: Lana, the long arm of this kind of a regime
- 18:59S5: can reach across the world. Are you on alert constantly, Lana.
- 19:03S5: They know your name. They know your name. Lana.
- 19:06S8: That's true. And I am mindful to be really working
- 19:10S8: closely with the Holy Spirit and listening. I've had some
- 19:14S8: advice from those who've gone before me about things like
- 19:17S8: even like where you would sit in a public space,
- 19:21S8: what kind of seat you would take on an airplane.
- 19:23S8: Like just be mindful. Be careful. But I absolutely don't
- 19:27S8: live in fear. I'm so excited for fulfilling my calling
- 19:31S8: and my part in all of this. Um, I do
- 19:34S8: believe that the government is so busy dealing with bigger
- 19:38S8: fish right now that I'm not a direct threat, but
- 19:41S8: I intend to be at some point. I'm going to
- 19:45S8: rattle some cages.
- 19:48S5: I intend to be. Oh, Lana, you are a blessing, sister.
- 19:53S5: And I want you, boom crew, to just know that
- 19:56S5: this is. We're talking about impact this whole week. You
- 19:58S5: want to talk about an impactful ministry. You want to
- 20:02S5: talk about return on investment. Just check it out. And
- 20:08S5: if you are prompted by God to throw a few
- 20:11S5: dollars their way, go to I'm going to give you
- 20:13S5: a key word. I want you to go to the
- 20:15S5: website Transform Iran. But here's the key word that'll get
- 20:19S5: you a link. Transform transform to 805, 55, 78, 98.
- 20:25S5: One word transform to 805 five, five, 78, 98. It
- 20:33S5: is awesome to hear of what God is doing around
- 20:37S5: the globe, in our brothers and sisters who are at
- 20:42S5: risk of losing their life at any moment, but are
- 20:45S5: standing strong and even witnessing of Jesus.
- 20:49S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 20:53S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
- 20:56S5: Welcome to A Week of Impact. That's our hope. That's
- 21:00S5: our desire. And I think when we imagine impact, we think, yeah,
- 21:04S5: I got to go out and make it happen. The
- 21:06S5: amazing thing is that the secret sauce is we can't,
- 21:10S5: but God can through us. Dan Seaborn is our guest
- 21:13S5: right now. I love this man. What a good man
- 21:16S5: of God. He founded winning at home. But it's not just,
- 21:21S5: you know, it's not just the home, is it? Dan,
- 21:24S5: a home in Fuego, on fire for God, and even
- 21:28S5: a battle unit of a husband and wife. Really walking
- 21:32S5: it out with Jesus. Man, we can flat impact the culture,
- 21:35S5: can't we, Dan?
- 21:36S11: Big time. And our culture is just so shallow. I
- 21:39S11: spent some time this last week just trying to evaluate, um,
- 21:43S11: where we are as a culture. What happened? Farming was
- 21:46S11: an 80 year old lady walked into my office just unexpected.
- 21:49S11: And I said to her, if you could say to
- 21:51S11: the 20 year old somethings in this world, uh, a
- 21:54S11: little nugget of wisdom, what would she say? And she
- 21:56S11: just said, oh my goodness, culture is so shallow. What
- 22:00S11: people think is so shallow. And I believe that we
- 22:04S11: don't even see walking around in that all time has
- 22:07S11: actually shallowed all of us. And you have to take
- 22:10S11: a moment and go, hang on a second. What do
- 22:12S11: I want to leave as a living legacy? It's kind
- 22:15S11: of funny, Carl. For me, I've been thinking, preach, die,
- 22:19S11: be forgotten, and people go. That sounds so morbid. I'm like, no, no.
- 22:23S11: If I do this thing, well, call ministry and preach
- 22:26S11: the gospel of Jesus Christ. And then I pass away
- 22:29S11: and my name is forgotten, but the name of Jesus
- 22:31S11: is remembered. Yeah. Then I went deeper, I went deeper.
- 22:35S11: If the end of my life I go, oh, how
- 22:37S11: do I make sure Carl and crew remember Dan Seaborn? Right.
- 22:40S11: Know what happened to me? Where did I get caught
- 22:42S11: up in myself? So just a big deal to me
- 22:45S11: to make sure we understand we're living in a shallow
- 22:47S11: culture and we need to go deeper.
- 22:49S5: So the promises of Jesus, Dan, are pretty profound. 30, 60,
- 22:53S5: 100 fold. I want to give you abundant life. The thief,
- 22:57S5: not Satan, actually false teachers or what's mentioned in John
- 23:00S5: ten that they want to steal, kill and destroy. I
- 23:02S5: came in to have life, life abundant. So it would
- 23:05S5: appear if we look at the promises of Jesus in
- 23:08S5: the call in our life, even. I mean, you go
- 23:10S5: to Ephesians 320 and 21, God wants to do immeasurably
- 23:13S5: more than we could ask or even imagine. There's this
- 23:17S5: huge carrot out there. I think God delights in setting
- 23:21S5: before us that our life can matter, right? That it
- 23:24S5: can count. What keeps people from taking hold of those promises?
- 23:31S11: Wow, Carl, I can't believe what you just quoted there.
- 23:35S11: We did not preset up our discussion here, and you
- 23:38S11: quoted Ephesians three, and I've got to go to just
- 23:41S11: an amazing thought that was in my head right before
- 23:44S11: you said that. In Ephesians three, verse one, Paul says, I,
- 23:48S11: a prisoner of Christ Jesus. So to answer your question
- 23:52S11: is perspective. Everybody looking at Paul as he starts that
- 23:56S11: particular chapter, everybody look and goes, he's in prison. Uh,
- 23:59S11: he's not free. He is bound up. Everybody goes, we
- 24:03S11: got him. He's in jail. And Paul says, I not
- 24:06S11: a prisoner of people. Yeah. I a prisoner of Jesus Christ.
- 24:10S11: And he writes the very verses that you just quoted.
- 24:14S11: And he didn't know those were coming out of that
- 24:17S11: jail cell. Like he didn't know when he wrote that letter,
- 24:20S11: it would come out of the jail cell. Me and you.
- 24:22S11: Right now, we have no idea who's going to snip
- 24:25S11: on a snippet and listen to something. And it's going
- 24:28S11: to change their maybe family's life and where they're going
- 24:31S11: for eternity sake. So the answer to your question for
- 24:34S11: me is perspective. When we trust really in the Lord,
- 24:37S11: when we trust in the Lord, we're saying to him,
- 24:41S11: If I'm in jail someday for just believing in the
- 24:44S11: gospel of Jesus, then I see that as part of
- 24:47S11: God's plan for me, the problem is the stuff you
- 24:49S11: just quoted earlier. Everybody hears blessings, money rolling out the wazoo,
- 24:55S11: everything coming in my direction, everything's in my favor. And
- 25:00S11: that's not what it means. And so as believers, we
- 25:03S11: have to look and go. Really leaving a legacy means
- 25:06S11: I went deeper with Jesus, and I understand that sometimes
- 25:10S11: I'm going to be in scenarios that I don't like,
- 25:12S11: and if I really trust in the Lord, I'm going
- 25:15S11: to see this as a life blessing.
- 25:18S5: So you work with marriages and families, and one of
- 25:22S5: the themes that we hit around here, I was reading
- 25:25S5: Andrew Murray's book on humility titled humility. And there's not
- 25:29S5: a throwaway word in that book, by the way. I mean,
- 25:32S5: it is just solid. One of the things that he
- 25:35S5: says in there that's so powerful and I want to
- 25:37S5: get your take on this. He says humility is the
- 25:40S5: one virtue that gives birth to every other virtue and humility.
- 25:46S5: We've gone through this before here, Dan. Let's cover some
- 25:48S5: quick ground. It's not thinking little of us. It's thinking
- 25:51S5: much of God and then us getting aligned underneath God.
- 25:56S5: How much does humility play in dynamic, high impact marriage
- 26:01S5: and family? And how do we do that?
- 26:05S11: Basically, for those of us who say we're followers of Christ,
- 26:08S11: you're summing up what our life should be, and the
- 26:10S11: way we do it is every everyday choices. Not easy.
- 26:14S11: None of this stuff is easy. If it was easy,
- 26:15S11: we'd all be doing it. But to really live in humility,
- 26:19S11: take surrender, not storage. Like their situations with Jane. Where
- 26:23S11: I die to something and I tell her, okay, babe,
- 26:26S11: I'm going to die to that. I'm just going to
- 26:28S11: let that go. I don't really die to it. I
- 26:30S11: put it in storage to bring out later in case
- 26:33S11: I need it. There's a difference between surrender and storage,
- 26:36S11: and most of us use a storage. Jesus said surrender it.
- 26:40S11: So this idea of surrender is really tied to humility.
- 26:44S11: And there's a reason Scripture says, if you'll be humble,
- 26:48S11: God will exalt you. Now you don't get to decide
- 26:50S11: what exalting looks like, but it's in the middle of
- 26:53S11: surrendering that God does that. You know, tonight I'm speaking
- 26:56S11: to a bunch of 20 somethings about marriage, and I'm
- 27:00S11: trying to figure out how to basically tell them, this
- 27:02S11: is not what you think it is, right? Because after
- 27:05S11: you're married, you realize it's a process of surrender, a
- 27:08S11: process of dying to self. If I'm going to experience
- 27:12S11: the levels and the depths that God has for me.
- 27:15S11: And Carl, you know, we both have we're blessed. Been
- 27:18S11: married many, many years. Yes. It's not been easy. No.
- 27:20S11: But through it, God has shown me if you'll be
- 27:23S11: humble there. And as the man in the relationship, Christ
- 27:27S11: calls me to go first. I mean, God does not
- 27:29S11: call my wife to surrender first in our marriage relationship.
- 27:33S11: And I don't like that. I tell Jane all the time. Oh,
- 27:35S11: sometimes I so wish I was a woman and I
- 27:37S11: don't mean that in a negative way. I'm just saying
- 27:40S11: I am called to die first. And sometimes I don't
- 27:43S11: want to. And I'll say to her, babe, I gotta
- 27:46S11: surrender here first because Christ did it first for me.
- 27:49S11: And I'm supposed to be that example. And when you
- 27:51S11: do that and do it humbly and do it right,
- 27:54S11: and don't do it with storage, and don't do it
- 27:56S11: for exaltation for yourself, just do it because it's right
- 28:01S11: and it's biblical. So for me, it's everyday choices and
- 28:04S11: that's not easy.
- 28:06S5: Dan Seaborn. My guest right now, Dan, you just nailed
- 28:09S5: something that we talk about around here. At least I share.
- 28:12S5: And that is men are initiators, women or responders. And
- 28:15S5: so when I've met with couples and things are going sideways,
- 28:18S5: I'll pull the man aside and say, are you initiating
- 28:22S5: or not initiating toward your wife in a way that
- 28:25S5: could be the cause of a lot of this stress
- 28:28S5: in your marriage? And I go back to the seven
- 28:31S5: year mark in our marriage. It was tough. I'm gonna
- 28:33S5: be candid with you, Dan. My bride came to me
- 28:36S5: and said, my feelings of love for you are gone.
- 28:39S5: And it was a weird Saturday morning. I mean, everything
- 28:42S5: looked good on the outside. We're in a thriving ministry,
- 28:45S5: and I'm the answer man. And I had no answers
- 28:48S5: and I was in a battle I wanted to when
- 28:50S5: I heard those words, I was in this battle in
- 28:53S5: my head, I literally had demons saying, she does this,
- 28:57S5: she does that, she does going through the whole list.
- 28:59S5: She would owned all that. But I heard the Holy
- 29:01S5: Spirit say to me, Carl, I want you to take
- 29:05S5: a long look at yourself. And on that day I
- 29:07S5: began a journey not perfected even at 39 years of marriage,
- 29:12S5: but growing big time of loving my wife as Christ
- 29:16S5: loved the church. All right, you've teed it up. I
- 29:18S5: want to speak to the men now directly. Men are initiators.
- 29:22S5: Women are responders. It's not a 50/50 proposition. It might
- 29:25S5: not seem fair, but it's what you got dealt. Dudes,
- 29:28S5: what do you say to the men right now.
- 29:30S11: On the fact that you haven't done it? Well, be
- 29:35S11: willing to say that to your wife. Not looking for
- 29:37S11: some response, some expectation back from her. Just do it
- 29:42S11: because most guys are scared to do it. They see
- 29:47S11: their wives as more holy. They already feel like they're
- 29:50S11: not good enough. And just the act of humility of
- 29:53S11: saying to your wife, hey babe, I just need to
- 29:55S11: own some stuff. I haven't done this well, and I'm not,
- 29:57S11: I'm not looking for anything from you. I just need
- 30:00S11: to make some better choices around this house. And, you know,
- 30:04S11: it's just get in there and do it kind of work.
- 30:07S11: It is just that I'd love to give you some. Oh,
- 30:10S11: do it this way. Do it that way, I can't.
- 30:12S11: For me, it's sometimes doing it and then plopping down
- 30:15S11: on the sofa and saying to myself, this stinks. But
- 30:18S11: I know in the long run I'm honoring the Lord
- 30:22S11: Jesus Christ, and he is going to give me the
- 30:25S11: strength and the willpower to do what I'm doing, and
- 30:28S11: I'm going to rely on him, and I'm going to
- 30:30S11: trust him to be true to what his word says.
- 30:32S11: So for me, you guys who are struggling with maybe
- 30:36S11: taking that step. I struggle with it too. I don't
- 30:40S11: look forward to dying to self. I don't look forward
- 30:43S11: to going, hey babe, I didn't handle that right. And
- 30:46S11: I just need to confess that everything inside me wants
- 30:48S11: to go put me in a court of law and
- 30:50S11: I'll win this case. Yeah, that's not important. It's not
- 30:53S11: important to the Lord Jesus. I don't care if you
- 30:55S11: win your case or not. I want to know, can
- 30:57S11: you be humble? And in a culture that says everything's
- 31:00S11: about me and everything's about what you want. It's really
- 31:04S11: hard to die to self. So guys, that's what you
- 31:07S11: need to do.
- 31:08S5: You know, it's been said that a man's greatest challenge
- 31:11S5: is rejecting passivity and passivity. It's from the curse, by
- 31:15S5: the way, in the garden. It's a result of that.
- 31:18S5: How does a man bust through? Let's say he's been passive.
- 31:23S5: He's been he's actually been the follower in many respects,
- 31:27S5: but a reluctant one in in that spiritual relationship, I
- 31:31S5: and my heart's just boiling right now for the thousands
- 31:34S5: of men across America and beyond that are listening. How
- 31:38S5: do they break free from that passivity? Because they're like, man,
- 31:43S5: I don't even have training wheels for this new journey.
- 31:45S11: Yeah, by the power of the Holy Spirit, me and
- 31:48S11: you both know that in our own lives, I couldn't
- 31:50S11: do this without the power of the Holy Spirit. So
- 31:52S11: for all you guys listening, ask him. He says, if
- 31:56S11: any of you lacks wisdom, ask me and I'll give
- 31:58S11: you like he doesn't just give it to the people
- 31:59S11: who have this degree or that or in ministry. He said,
- 32:02S11: just ask me and I'll give it to you. So
- 32:04S11: there is a sustaining power that we have access to
- 32:08S11: that you might not even know about called the Holy Spirit.
- 32:11S11: And when you ask him to guide you, I believe
- 32:13S11: he will anoint that. I believe he will bless that
- 32:15S11: and give you ideas and thoughts. This is what happened
- 32:17S11: to me, Carl. So when I pray and ask him
- 32:19S11: for his wisdom and guidance, he puts thoughts in my
- 32:22S11: head that I. I say this to myself, well, that's
- 32:25S11: not my thought. Wow, Holy Spirit, I'm going to trust
- 32:28S11: that you got something going on there I didn't know about.
- 32:30S11: It's a hard thought, but the Lord will provide that.
- 32:33S11: And you know, me and Carl can't always give you
- 32:36S11: the right thoughts and the right answers. But I promise you,
- 32:40S11: Holy Spirit's way bigger than anything you can imagine. And
- 32:43S11: he promises he will give us that guidance. And I'm
- 32:46S11: going to tell you, trust him and ask him and
- 32:48S11: then obey. Like Carl, if I could say the next thing,
- 32:51S11: it's like, obey, obey. The spirit lays on your heart,
- 32:54S11: even if it's uncomfortable. Obey it because it's probably what
- 32:57S11: God's asking of you.
- 32:59S5: There's some men right now that they're boiling with hope. Uh,
- 33:02S5: one final thing, because we're talking about impact. Paint a
- 33:05S5: picture of what can be if that man walks through
- 33:08S5: that threshold of rejecting passivity and obeys what the Spirit
- 33:12S5: of God saying to him.
- 33:14S11: You're going to establish some new pathways. And then I
- 33:16S11: love the line that I use a lot. Just repetition
- 33:19S11: creates reputation right now. Your family, your wife, knows you
- 33:23S11: a certain way. It's going to take a while for
- 33:25S11: you to break through that. You just need to know
- 33:27S11: that you might go and go, man, I've been doing
- 33:30S11: it right and changing some things for two months and
- 33:32S11: no one's noticed. Um, don't need them to notice. I
- 33:35S11: remember when I needed Jane to notice I was changing
- 33:38S11: and I would say something to her a little frustrated. Babe,
- 33:40S11: I can't believe you aren't noticing. I'm really trying to change.
- 33:42S11: And it would frustrate her that I would need to
- 33:45S11: ask for that. And the Lord has just shown me.
- 33:47S11: Why don't you just do it and know that I
- 33:50S11: see it and that be enough for you? And that's
- 33:52S11: what's happened for me now, maybe five, six years into
- 33:56S11: a particular thing, I changed. I don't need Jane's affirmation
- 33:59S11: about it. I've got the Lord's affirmation, and I can
- 34:03S11: see the resulting peace down inside here that I have
- 34:06S11: by doing it the right way. So just do it,
- 34:09S11: for God's sake, and know that your reputation, which all
- 34:12S11: the men listening. You want a good reputation honoring the Lord,
- 34:15S11: loving your family, etc. you go do this stuff and
- 34:18S11: you repeat that every day, and that repetition will lead
- 34:21S11: to a better reputation, and that ultimately will give you
- 34:24S11: a great peace down inside.
- 34:26S5: So beautiful. Dan, I want to brag on you for
- 34:28S5: a moment. You have got a group of just a
- 34:32S5: phenomenal group of people around you, coaches, counselors, uh, that
- 34:36S5: are at the ready. And I'm going to give a
- 34:38S5: link here in a moment because I'm telling you, you.
- 34:41S5: You want grace based counsel. You want grace based coaching,
- 34:45S5: which points you to the power of God because you
- 34:48S5: can't bootstrap diddly squat in your life. You can't do it.
- 34:54S5: And Dan's got a group of people and I mean
- 34:56S5: a significant group of people around him. Dan, you must
- 35:01S5: be seeing fruit out of this coaching and counseling, aren't you?
- 35:04S11: Absolutely. And you know, I'm a preacher of the gospel
- 35:07S11: and I say all the time that, hey, I can
- 35:09S11: motivate you, encourage you to follow Christ. But these people,
- 35:13S11: they're clinically trained. They know how your brain works. They've
- 35:15S11: been trained in how to work through patterns in your life.
- 35:19S11: You need to break. And through the power of the
- 35:21S11: Holy Spirit, I believe he uses them just to give
- 35:23S11: some great practical tools. Every now and then I will
- 35:27S11: be struggling with something in life. Carl and I see
- 35:29S11: a counselor walking by. I'm like, hey, come in my
- 35:31S11: office a minute and just running a thought by something.
- 35:34S11: I'm struggling with them. And then they give me just
- 35:37S11: thoughts and ideas that are so simple to apply in
- 35:40S11: everyday life. And that's what we need. Most of us are,
- 35:43S11: are just looking for a practical, daily insight that we
- 35:45S11: can live out. And our counselors are really good at
- 35:48S11: strategically guiding. And they also believe that it's the Holy
- 35:52S11: Spirit that guides them. That's one of the we're not
- 35:54S11: just a counseling service here. We're biblically based counseling ministry.
- 35:58S11: And to me, that's such a critical difference. Anybody can
- 36:01S11: give you mental advice, but to say it's tied to
- 36:04S11: God's Word is just huge. And to see the result
- 36:07S11: of that, to see marriage is saved. People saved kids
- 36:10S11: and teens. That's our biggest group of people we minister
- 36:12S11: to right now to see kids find healing for anxiety.
- 36:16S11: It's just beautiful. So yeah. Wow. I love what the
- 36:18S11: Lord's doing. I'm thankful the Lord lets us be a
- 36:20S11: partner and thankful for our partnership with you. Thanks for
- 36:23S11: believing in what we do. I love hanging out and
- 36:25S11: talking to you as well.
- 36:26S5: This has been tremendous. Again, Dan, I'm going to give
- 36:29S5: you a key word here. Boom crew, and I'm going
- 36:30S5: to give you a moment. Grab that phone. I want
- 36:33S5: you to text the word winning one word winning to
- 36:36S5: 805 five, five, 78, 98. This is going to take
- 36:40S5: you to the website for winning at home. Text winning
- 36:43S5: to 805 557898. Look around. You'll find coaches. You'll find counselors.
- 36:51S5: You'll find ample resources to get a breakthrough and ultimately
- 36:56S5: impact in your life today.
- 36:58S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
- 37:01S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
- 37:04S4: to stay in your past, and I want you to
- 37:06S4: know and believe that today.
- 37:08S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 37:10S5: Five years ago, we were talking about the one thing,
- 37:13S5: trying to pin it down with the one thing that
- 37:15S5: stands in the way of everything that God has for us.
- 37:19S5: And as people were pouring out their hearts, we had
- 37:22S5: remember that day thousands of responses.
- 37:25S3: It was a big day.
- 37:26S5: Top of the list was, I'm not redeeming time. Well,
- 37:30S5: I feel like a sluggard. The amazing thing about time, redemption,
- 37:33S5: or the lack thereof, is that Satan takes that club
- 37:36S5: and just beats us to death. Tim Challies is with
- 37:41S5: us right now. Tim, you've never been beat up because
- 37:44S5: you haven't redeemed time, right? You've been totally immune to
- 37:46S5: that spiritual war.
- 37:48S12: I don't think anyone else has ever beat me up
- 37:50S12: on that, but I certainly beat myself up on that
- 37:52S12: plenty of times.
- 37:53S5: Yeah, it's a spiritual battle. It really is. And we're
- 37:57S5: called to redeem time. One of my favorite passages is Moses.
- 38:01S5: My goodness. The one song that he wrote is teach
- 38:04S5: us to number our days, that we may gain a
- 38:07S5: heart of wisdom. What I love about that, Tim, the
- 38:09S5: hope that it gives to people, is that a lot
- 38:11S5: of people might think, I'm not a wise person. The
- 38:14S5: promise there in that prayer is when we redeem time,
- 38:18S5: we grow in wisdom. How are those two things linked?
- 38:21S12: Well, we use our time rightly and we're expressing wisdom
- 38:25S12: in our use of time. But also, as we continually
- 38:28S12: go to God's Word, we're gaining the knowledge we need
- 38:30S12: in order to to understand what God means by that command.
- 38:34S12: And I think that's where we often get it wrong.
- 38:35S12: We compare ourselves to the wrong standard. We hold ourselves
- 38:39S12: to the wrong standard.
- 38:40S5: There's a lot of things to be gained in this
- 38:42S5: life hacker world that we live in. Tim, you know
- 38:45S5: that there's a lot of great writing on time redemption
- 38:48S5: principles that I happen to contend that all truth is
- 38:52S5: God's truth, so people don't even have to be redeemed
- 38:54S5: to stumble upon great truth. But what is this fascination
- 38:59S5: with time redemption right now? It's not just in the church.
- 39:03S5: It's all over the world. It's losing a little steam
- 39:06S5: right now. It was really peaked about a decade ago.
- 39:08S5: But what do you chalk that up to?
- 39:10S12: I think it's just a deep desire. Each one of
- 39:12S12: us has to live a life of meaning, a life
- 39:14S12: of significance. And I think the culture around us was
- 39:18S12: telling us that we need to create our own meaning.
- 39:20S12: We need to create our own significance. And that's where
- 39:23S12: a lot of the books were directing us. Hopefully as Christians,
- 39:26S12: we're looking outside of ourselves to understand what does it
- 39:30S12: mean before God to live a life of meaning and
- 39:32S12: a life of significance? What is his standard, not ours?
- 39:35S12: His desire for me, not my own.
- 39:37S5: Let's deal with a real issue here. I'm a time
- 39:40S5: redemption wild man. I've been a life hacker on this
- 39:43S5: for a lot of years, but I will tell you
- 39:46S5: that one of the ways that I get most beat
- 39:49S5: up is when I give Satan the bludgeon of Unseized
- 39:54S5: time that, as Gordon MacDonald said many years ago, flows
- 39:57S5: to our weaknesses. It is a battle, Tim, and it's
- 40:02S5: for all of us today, isn't it?
- 40:04S12: It is. Yeah. And I do a lot of reading
- 40:06S12: in the late 1800s. And one of the things I
- 40:09S12: enjoy reading about that time period is to have people
- 40:12S12: in those days complaining about how fast paced life had become,
- 40:16S12: and how they were struggling so much to make use
- 40:18S12: of it. I mean, there were things called trains and
- 40:20S12: there were telegraphs, and they were saying, this world is
- 40:22S12: moving so quickly. How can we slow it down and
- 40:25S12: redeem the time? So this is a universal problem. Every
- 40:28S12: generation deals with it. They couldn't have imagined the speed,
- 40:31S12: the pace that we have to deal with today. But
- 40:33S12: the problem is universal. Always has been something Christians have
- 40:36S12: struggled with.
- 40:37S5: How do we become productive without worshiping productivity?
- 40:42S12: Well, we've just got to elevate our understanding of productivity
- 40:45S12: and our desires for it. And that means no longer
- 40:48S12: holding up myself as the standard or my own desires
- 40:51S12: as the standard, but simply asking, what does God want
- 40:54S12: for me? How does God in His Word direct me
- 40:57S12: to the best ways of using my time and then
- 41:00S12: living for something greater than myself? How can I live
- 41:02S12: this life not for my own glory, not for my
- 41:05S12: own satisfaction? How can I live for the glory of
- 41:07S12: God and the good of the people around me? That's
- 41:09S12: a life of true significance.
- 41:11S5: We love stories here with Carl and crew. Give us
- 41:13S5: your story of time. Redemption. It didn't start off perfectly,
- 41:16S5: did it?
- 41:17S12: No. I was struggling a lot with time management, and
- 41:21S12: what I was doing was going to the bookstore and
- 41:24S12: finding those books you mentioned earlier. There's some good, good
- 41:27S12: material in those books, but they kept directing me to
- 41:30S12: essentially find my own path through this world, find what
- 41:33S12: would make me feel significant. And it was only when
- 41:36S12: I went to Scripture and tried to ask, okay, what
- 41:38S12: does God want from me? And I dug a theological
- 41:41S12: basis for productivity. That's where I saw the big change.
- 41:46S12: And so we like to try to apply quick fixes.
- 41:48S12: Give me a few techniques, give me a few pointers,
- 41:50S12: make this easy, make this quick and I can get
- 41:52S12: back to work. Sometimes we just need to slow down
- 41:55S12: and study these matters and really lay a firm foundation.
- 41:59S5: Tim is with me right now, and when we get back,
- 42:01S5: we're going to talk more practically about productivity. He's got
- 42:07S5: a book out called Do More Better, and it is
- 42:10S5: a huge seller, but we're going to give you some
- 42:12S5: sneak peeks from that very work straight ahead.
- 42:16S1: Standing on the rock each and every day, you're listening
- 42:20S1: to Carl and Crew.
- 42:21S5: Tim Challies, my guest right now, pastor, speaker, blogger, author,
- 42:26S5: and he hails from Toronto, Canada. It's good to have
- 42:30S5: you with us on Carl and Crew. Let's go right
- 42:32S5: into the meat of what you discovered theologically about practical productivity.
- 42:38S5: What did you learn? Did you have an aha moment
- 42:40S5: as you were studying.
- 42:42S12: I did, and I think the aha moment was just
- 42:45S12: realizing that to be truly productive, I need to live
- 42:48S12: for something bigger than myself. And I know we've already
- 42:51S12: said that, but I think that really is the core
- 42:52S12: of it, that culturally, we're constantly being told that satisfaction
- 42:57S12: comes from within. That satisfaction comes from defining my goals,
- 43:01S12: working toward my own sense of accomplishment. But if I
- 43:05S12: can elevate my gaze and say, what would it mean
- 43:07S12: before the Lord for me to live a life of significance,
- 43:10S12: be productive before him, then I can start living for
- 43:12S12: something so much greater than than myself. And I might
- 43:15S12: find that God's got very different plans and very different
- 43:18S12: intentions than I do.
- 43:20S5: Yeah. What does that look like? I'm a big one
- 43:24S5: for if we're going to say no to something, we've
- 43:26S5: got to say some yes to the greater good. And
- 43:29S5: it's always God's vision for our life, not our own.
- 43:32S5: How do we ascertain what the greater good is that
- 43:38S5: we're pursuing.
- 43:39S12: Well, there's something to be said for saying no to
- 43:42S12: a lot of things. And you can say no to
- 43:44S12: a lot of very good opportunities when you know what
- 43:47S12: it is that God has specifically called you to. You
- 43:50S12: think about the life of Jesus, how many more miracles
- 43:53S12: he could have done if he didn't spend so much
- 43:55S12: time praying, or if he wasn't constantly walking away from
- 43:58S12: the crowds because he was on mission, he knew what
- 44:00S12: the father had called him to. We sometimes feel we
- 44:03S12: need to do every possible good thing that's presented to us,
- 44:06S12: but we're only human. We're finite. We can't do them all.
- 44:10S12: But if we know what God has called us to,
- 44:12S12: then we can confidently say that might be a great opportunity.
- 44:15S12: But it's not my opportunity.
- 44:17S5: You know that time that Jesus spent in the early
- 44:20S5: morning hours, and we see it over and over again
- 44:22S5: in the Gospels. My contention, Tim, this is a little
- 44:25S5: bit of a side trail here, but it's an important one.
- 44:28S5: My contention is we've given the church a list of
- 44:32S5: very external kind of disciplines, which are good Bible reading.
- 44:36S5: My goodness, I'm not shooting that one out of the water.
- 44:39S5: Small group. Really good. Using your gifts in the church.
- 44:42S5: All great. But I wonder how much of time, redemption
- 44:47S5: into the glorification of God is going to be most
- 44:50S5: accessed through the disciplines of introspection, communion, fellowship with God,
- 44:57S5: those things that are unseen disciplines. What's your thought on that, Tim?
- 45:01S12: Those things feel like they don't accomplish anything, right? We
- 45:05S12: want to have things we can tick off a list
- 45:07S12: and devotions or spending time with the Lord. Or meditation
- 45:10S12: shouldn't just be a to do item. It should transcend that.
- 45:13S12: This is where we grow in our relationship with the Lord, right?
- 45:16S12: And that's what these things are the relationship build exercises,
- 45:19S12: relationship building exercises we carry out with the Lord so
- 45:22S12: we can grow in our friendship and our relationship with
- 45:24S12: the God of all the universe. They're not to do items,
- 45:27S12: they're not tasks, but they are what carry us into
- 45:31S12: those tasks. They are what elevate us. They are what
- 45:33S12: allow us to really understand what God has for us
- 45:36S12: and how we can best serve him.
- 45:38S5: Tim is my guest right now. Okay, Tim, so let's
- 45:41S5: make an assumption. Let's say someone's had alone time with God.
- 45:45S5: They've heard his voice. They've looked at Psalm 139. They
- 45:49S5: know that they were fearfully and wonderfully made, and they've
- 45:51S5: got a unique design on their life. And then Ephesians three,
- 45:55S5: when he ascended, he took captives captive, and he gave
- 45:57S5: gifts to men. And the Holy Spirit's distributed gifts. Let's
- 46:00S5: just say we've got a pretty clear understanding of how
- 46:04S5: God wants to use us, how he uniquely has called
- 46:07S5: us into whatever that bigger yes is. Is there ever
- 46:11S5: a time when it's good to have out a piece
- 46:14S5: of paper and pen and mark in the half hours
- 46:16S5: in a day? What do you say, Tim?
- 46:18S12: Absolutely. I think those disciplines, they're not biblical ones. They're
- 46:21S12: not mandated for us, but they can be an application
- 46:25S12: of wisdom. Just say, here's how I'm going to structure
- 46:28S12: or organize my day. And eventually all of us have
- 46:31S12: to lay out the time that God has given us
- 46:33S12: and to the best of our abilities, with with humility. Understanding.
- 46:36S12: God may have other plans for us, but just plot
- 46:39S12: tasks into time. Here's the time laid out and here's
- 46:42S12: what I intend to do with it. If we aim
- 46:44S12: at nothing, we'll hit it every time, right? But we
- 46:46S12: want to aim for things. We want to have goals.
- 46:48S12: We want to try to reach those. We develop those
- 46:50S12: goals prayerfully. We consider how God would have us live.
- 46:53S12: We surrender our days to him and say, you may
- 46:56S12: radically interrupt this day. And that's that's fine. You can
- 46:59S12: do that. Here's how I see this day going, and
- 47:01S12: here's how I intend to live it until you redirect me.
- 47:04S5: It's interesting. This is a finer point of productivity, but
- 47:08S5: I've found, and there's brain science to back it up,
- 47:11S5: that when you get into something that you know, God's
- 47:14S5: called you to and it gets interrupted by a call
- 47:16S5: or somebody stepping in the amount of time, I believe
- 47:20S5: the data points on this are like 25 minutes to
- 47:23S5: re-engage at the depth of work you were doing. Is
- 47:27S5: that true?
- 47:28S12: That's what I've heard. Yeah, that we like to talk
- 47:31S12: about multitasking, but I think it's better referred to as
- 47:34S12: task switching or something. You're just going from one thing
- 47:37S12: to another, and every time you switch out and switch back,
- 47:40S12: there is a loss there along the way. And so
- 47:43S12: there's something to be said for really trying to block
- 47:45S12: out our time and doing that deep work, just committing
- 47:48S12: ourselves to one task at a time. And yet at
- 47:51S12: the same time, holding loosely to our own plans, knowing
- 47:54S12: that God may redirect them. I read an old pastor
- 47:57S12: who would say that he always assumed that if somebody
- 48:00S12: came into his life, that person was on a mission
- 48:02S12: from God, and either he had something to give to
- 48:05S12: that person, or that person had something to give to him. Now,
- 48:07S12: he might not give him an hour of his time,
- 48:09S12: but he would just say, God has brought along this interruption,
- 48:12S12: so I'll embrace it and then I'll go back to
- 48:14S12: my work. I think there's something to be said for that.
- 48:17S5: Tim, you're a calculated guy. You're very calculated in what
- 48:21S5: you say. That must be in what you do as well, right? Tim.
- 48:25S12: Certainly try to acknowledging that the world we live in
- 48:28S12: is a world of many interruptions and the devices we
- 48:32S12: surround ourselves with at all times. They excel at interruption.
- 48:35S12: And so I think we're all trying to do our
- 48:38S12: best within this time, this technological context we live in.
- 48:42S5: To the person who feels like, and I hear it
- 48:45S5: all the time here, Tim, and that's not an overstatement.
- 48:48S5: I hear it all the time. And as a pastor
- 48:50S5: of a couple of campuses here in Chicagoland, I hear
- 48:53S5: it from people constantly and people who you would think,
- 48:56S5: oh man, they got their act together, getting beat up
- 48:59S5: with time wasting, whether it be those hours of unseized
- 49:04S5: time in the evening or or in the middle of
- 49:06S5: the day, or getting distracted with things that are not
- 49:09S5: God distractions, how we'll do more, better help people. How
- 49:14S5: will your book help people?
- 49:16S12: I'd like to think it will help them understand what
- 49:18S12: it means to be truly productive in a biblical perspective.
- 49:21S12: So stewarding your gifts, your talents, your time, your energy,
- 49:25S12: your enthusiasm for the good of others, and the glory
- 49:28S12: of God. And hopefully it will help you think spiritually
- 49:32S12: about these things, because time wasting isn't first a productivity issue.
- 49:36S12: It's a spiritual issue, right? It's something we need to
- 49:38S12: solve with the Lord's help. We need to repent of sin.
- 49:41S12: We need to put on righteousness. That's the path to
- 49:44S12: better using our time, not just putting a program or
- 49:46S12: a structure in place.
- 49:47S5: Yeah, I love it. You know, our whole focus this
- 49:51S5: week is impact, and I've found this to be true.
- 49:55S5: I have found that when I have a well-ordered life
- 49:59S5: and ordered around the the hidden disciplines first, candidly, and
- 50:04S5: I'm really walking in the spirit and I'm listening to
- 50:07S5: the Lord, my goodness, my impact goes up dramatically. Do
- 50:11S5: you agree, Tim, for yourself?
- 50:13S12: Certainly. I think we just need to understand what it
- 50:15S12: means to have an impact. And I like the concentric
- 50:18S12: circle model of the main impact the Lord expects us
- 50:21S12: to have is impact on the people closest to us
- 50:24S12: family members, wife, children, neighbors, church world around. And so
- 50:29S12: there's a lot of people who are so just longing
- 50:32S12: to have an impact on the wider world so they
- 50:34S12: can make a name for themselves while neglecting what's closest.
- 50:37S12: God measures these things and sees these things very differently
- 50:40S12: than we do. So if the only impact you ever
- 50:43S12: have is an impact on the people who are closest
- 50:45S12: to you, you may be radically excelling in the eyes
- 50:48S12: of the Lord far more than the person who changes
- 50:50S12: the world, because you're most faithful in the area, that's
- 50:53S12: most important.
- 50:54S5: Yeah, Jesus was tempted with security and satisfaction and status
- 50:58S5: by Satan himself. And those things don't work, do they, Tim?
- 51:02S12: Never do, never do.
- 51:04S5: Tim is my guest and we've got a link for you.
- 51:06S5: Text better to 800 555 7898. Text better to 805 557898.
- 51:16S5: His book Do More, Better A Practical Guide to Productivity.
- 51:20S5: And I'm going to add a word, A Biblically Practical
- 51:24S5: Guide to Productivity.