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Final Destination w/ Maddie Campion · Everyone's A Critic

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• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: How are you doing today?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not too shabby, not too shabby.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's whenever I sort of ask that question to anyone, how are you doing?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I always see their faceful and I'm like, oh yeah, I keep asking people how they're doing in a pandemic.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: My response, my response whenever someone asks me how I'm doing, I'm like, well, it's it's 2022.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm alive.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like every like part of my mind and body has been pulled in separate directions across a bit like Final Destination, basically.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, like I watch I watched today's movie and I was like, this is escapism.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like they it is escapism.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's points in it where it's like this this would be nice.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Break from reality.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: What have you been up to recently?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: You've been up to anything?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've actually popped back my so my parents have moved to the same city that I spent most of my childhood in.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I popped back to my parents in Canterbury.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I walked through the high street today and I looked at everywhere and I was like, oh, that used to be an overpriced sandwich shop where they never like there was this there was this place called CJ's and they used to you'd they do like it was like Subway but middle class.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: And they would um and like I remember Canterbury.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, me and my friends, we were like, we're gonna go to CJ's today.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: And we'd all watched in horror as like the people handling the money wouldn't remove their gloves, would just go and make the next sandwich, and we were like, surely you should take your glove off, handle the money.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then they'd like, you know, they'd handle the money and then like really properly like you know, do like a stuff that sweet chili chicken into the baguette.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was yeah, it was horrifying.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it's no longer open, so well.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: I remember I remember it got it got so extreme there, like that it it became a story in the local paper about how C J CJ's never like that was the issue that enough enough came to enough that like they eventually served enough customers that one of those people was a local journalist, and that was that's such middle class news though, isn't it?
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: When like nothing happens in the town.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean Canterbury's a wild place.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's some mad stuff, and it's like there is a rough part.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was I was the first house that my we lived in was in the very rough part of Canterbury.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_02: And my parents my parents were like, we cannot raise our children here, we need to wait, because I I uh did go to uni there for two months before leaving.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as common a common thing I've I understand.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people I know.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: Where is the I don't so I don't know where the rough area is.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: The rough area, it's no one would really know because Canterbury is sort of so organised around the like it's very small in terms of like you could walk from one either side to it in like an hour.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not big at all.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: An hour and a half, yeah.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it's very small.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: But um so the part that w we lived in, it was like a council estate called it was called Spring Lane, Essex Road.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay and it was like um so if you go past there's some Roman walls um St.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Augustine's Abbey, so some a very old part of Canterbury, and then behind that, so basically nowhere where tourists or visitors would ever encounter it.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're just relegated to yeah.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: But there are, yeah.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's Kent is very sort of hit and miss with like like I'll say it, I'll say it.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Some people from Kent, absolute worst people you'll um meet.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's a stra Kent people are a strange breed of people.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: So Yeah, I've yeah, I've definitely experienced that when in Kent.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's people as well, you can you meet like people say they're they're scared walking around London.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, if you go around Kent, it looks idyllic, but the people that like you'll encounter in the street are so much more like strange.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And whenever I tell people stories of my childhood, they're like, What where did you grow up?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, that's what happens when you smoke grow up in a small small city in a in a very affluent area of the country, yeah.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that's the other thing, it's like a really rich area, isn't it?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I ri Yeah.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the I think the richer like I think the pop yeah.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was very it it's a very interesting place because I didn't realise that I didn't realise because of the grammar school system, I didn't realise because my parents were like, you're not taking part in the grammar school system, it's like classist, it's it's so I never really met a a middle class person, even though I was well I did, but I didn't realise the class di like because all my friends were like we're all like like from poor families going to like state comprehensive and everything.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's only when I moved to London and I was like, oh shit, oh this class divide is a big it's so funny because I I And then you go into the comedy scene and then you're like Yeah, and then you're like oh my god, yeah, I'm not middle class at all.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I am I it was funny because I grew up in Can C Canterbury where everyone's very much like, oh yes, I am middle class, I am middle class, like very one even though like rough as fuck, everyone would be like, Yeah, middle class, middle class, desperate.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, like the but then I went to Manchester as we w we moved as teenagers, and people would be like, Oh, I'm working class, mate, I'm working class, and I'm like, you live in a di you live in a four-story detached house on the same street as Morrissey, like you weren't like you're not middle class, like so it was just so funny that like and that was like a massive learning curve being like growing up somewhere where everyone was desperate to assert that they were middle class even though they didn't really have access, they didn't really, you know, like they didn't have savings, like their parents weren't necessarily in a didn't have decent jobs or anything or they were common as muck, like, but uh then you moved to Manchester where everyone's like everyone I knew was quite, you know, more I suppose more comfortable being free intellectually and you know, into more intriguing middle class tastes and stuff like that and and I mean, yeah, and or you know, having much bigger houses and like I know that yeah, so and then being like, no, I'm middle class just because like their boiler had to be turned on to turn the heating on kind of thing.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, no, that's working class, that's really working class.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, it was very I mean I of course, yeah.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was a weird, interesting thing, the class difference.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah That's such right, yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: I've I don't know, I I don't I don't think I've experienced that same thing, that same like divide sort of situation that you have.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think like I kind of just been it's been consistent and then like consistent, yeah, and then comedy and then comedy is suddenly like, oh there are so many different Yeah, yeah.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, oh god, yeah.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's so funny that when I I'm in a whenever I do like a day job or something, I've attempted somewhere, I've worked somewhere, and there'll be someone and they'll be like, oh I know a comedian and it'll even and whenever it's there'll be like I work places where like the hedge fund manager that owns a company will be like, oh I know a comedian, and I'm like, oh I'm about to learn who is a lot posher than they play.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's no world in which my parents don't anyone that even knows what hedge fund is, and then um and then or when s there's someone in there the president of the company and they're like, Oh, my son is best friends with this person.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Oh, this person's posh, yeah.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Every time like uh I didn't realise that so many people went to like certain schools, and I'm like, Oh, that makes sense.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's yeah.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I I yeah, I thought Eton like, yeah, those sort of schools where you're like, Oh, I didn't actually think people actually really went to them.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, yeah, oh they do, and uh yeah.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a strange old world is comedy.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: How long have you been doing it now?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: You've been in it a while.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean I've been in it a while, but I I did improv before I like I did improv when I was much younger.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh really?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then I did st started stand up I think in like it must have been 2016, and then I kinda I kinda took a year out where I pursued like this double act sort of sketch thing.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then I returned fully to stand up.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then the pandemic happened.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't really know I don't really know how to say how long I've been going because Yeah, it's like n yeah, there's not really a like a s an exact amount, is there?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: But No.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I have been Did you do anything over lockdown?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Or did you just like completely leave it for the time?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I was very adamant.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, nope, there's no point looking at like online content, we're too stressed right now, and I sincerely regret it.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, shit.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: No I don't I don't know that it's like the weird thing.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's no point, yeah.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean as well, I think there's no thing point pushing to create something that you don't have it.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm a bit more like, oh hang on, uh I'm enjoying sewing and making stuff.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm just exactly yeah, and now I'm making and now you've started your TikTok stuff.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh not tick-wise.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing it.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I've put some I have put I haven't actually checked how they're doing on it.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: They're not doing that well on TikTok, but I refuse to engage with it.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's probably that might be an issue.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: I still don't understand like why anything does well on there.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's I think so much of it is like like so much of it is visual audit.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I just Oh look, oh no, I got I got nine.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's all people I know.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: I said I've I've got nine followers since I last logged in, but they're they're pretty much all people I know, so my video did not get my video did not go viral.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um it did the opposite.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I yeah, I think so much of it is driven by looks.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I know a lot of people that are doing very well on it, and they're like, Oh yeah, I just really know how the algorithm works.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, no, it's your face, babe.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's your face.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Your content is fine.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: What you're saying, fine, but it's your face.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like you could just upload a video, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I just I started like when I'm scrolling through it now, I'll get the live videos occasionally, and it's just like I just started getting these weird videos of people just like pretending to have sex while they're talking.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, so weird.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: And but they're just like stand they're talking on camera and everything, but they'll just be like bouncing up and down.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: And and they'll be like they'll be like under the show.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: They sound like virgins, yeah.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so bizarre, but they'll get like 10,000 people watching them.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose it is that like trying to lure people into watching them.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah because I was gonna say that is a skip by um that's like the opening of Broad City pilot episode, isn't it?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they yeah.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe Yelana Glazer and Abigail should should get well, they should they should sue all those people for breach of copyright.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll do it and uh get TikTok famous.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's a lot of money in TikTok.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Someone told me There's not what yeah, it like all the money is on Instagram apparently.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's it's yeah.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because you can get your well the TikTok creator fund, you get nothing out of it, basically.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got I got a uh because I just set mine up and it said invite invite friends to TikTok for a a zero dollar Amazon voucher.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was just well what what is this incentive that you're giving me here?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so you don't even you didn't even get like because I was wondering, I've I haven't even been invited to the creator fund yet.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know how you get invited.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just got like a bonus thing that came up.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, yeah, but yeah, I know someone that did is monetized of it and I think they're making like£15 a month.
• 14:12
  unknown: Oh god.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: I chose the wrong thing to like to focus on because I focused on Twitter and then like you don't get any money either.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's no money on Twitter, you might as well like you might as well stand on the street miming, like you'd get as much as possible.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: I should have focused on Instagram.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know we've all we've all made that mistake, but uh we'll we'll live and we'll learn and we'll prosper in the future.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so let's talk about uh what you actually came on here to talk about, which is the movie Final Destination.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and what a movie it is.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: What a movie.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it is 35% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is really surprising.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I found it so surprising.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I thought at least 55.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I didn't expect it to be a rotten movie when I was looking at the lists and everything.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's surprised.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: That does surprise me.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: But then also the audience score is 68, which is not that high for an audience score.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I would say 68 is if we're going by like if we're going by British academic standards where 70% is a first, then 68 is fine, you know.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost a f it's almost an A plus movie.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's almost almost.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so like what's your well actually let's I'll describe it first.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a movie about uh a group of teenagers, uh that one of them has a premonition that um this plane that they're going on, they're going on a trip to Paris, and he has a premonition that the plane's gonna explode and they're all gonna die.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he rushes off the plane, and then like six of them get dragged along with him.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and then uh they realise they skipped death, but death keeps coming back from the city.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, death is like death is like, no, no, no, I'm gonna come and kill you in like some in some very strange ways and in some very disgusting ways.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I yeah to make you regret surviving a horrific plane crash.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I just want to add on your description, these teenagers, it was a school trip to France, they weren't on like some romantic booth.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, trip romantic.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's a school trip, yeah.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just in case anyone's like too scared to watch it, and that's that's too fully brief.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: If they're too scared to watch it because it's a romantic trip.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, then don't don't be fooled.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Don't be fooled.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a romantic trip.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's nothing romantic about this movie.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean scoring scoring a trip to Paris on a school trip from America.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's very fancy.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Very dandy, yeah.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very good.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's a very nice trip.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um what's that?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it would have been, yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well oh yeah, I guess not even eventually, but um they yeah, so like what is your like history with this specific one or like the general or like the overall series, I guess, of them?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like this is a movie that is so quintessentially Y2K, like a quintessential, but then also on the other hand, a quintessential pre 9-11 Y2K.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, very much so.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's like such a small period of time in which this movie could have existed and it did.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, I remember like being a teenager and I mean I was way too young when this film came out to have watched it.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I I'm guessing it was a 15.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was a 15.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it would have been a few years, and I think I might have watched it on TV, but I knew that there were like a lot of like a lot of people that had managed to get um like rented from Blockbuster and stuff.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it was always the sort of film that people were talking about in school being like, oh yeah, I've watched Final Destination.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I watched it, and I think I think typically horror is always maligned, unless of course it is an A24 horror.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh which sometimes, sometimes should probably be maligned more, but Yeah.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: There are a few bad ones there.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh but I have always like when I was a kid, I was always sort of obsessed with horror movies, but never allowed to watch them.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd be like browsing them and like we'd go to the library and they'd have a DVD section, I'd just be like looking at them.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there'd be like the real like video nasties, like you know, the ones that like the the ones that were previously banned and came back because it was like the library, so it's more art house and stuff like that, but um I was just like obsessed with like looking at the covers and feeling like drawn to the macabre.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, like Final Destination was I don't know if it was the first horror movie I probably would have watched or not.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it was definitely the first sort of cheesy teen horror movie I watched.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well how did you get your hands on it then if you weren't allowed to watch the did you know?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I think I think I just watched it late night when my parents had gone to bed and it was or like they might have been out or something and it was on TV, so it would have been on ITV.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose it wasn't as scary then because the adverts were all in like there would have been adverts.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: They had to break it up.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well how do you remember how old you were?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think I probably would have been like 16 at this point, 15 or 15.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: So like like not an age where yeah, it was at all dangerous to me for me to watch.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I might have been who knows, I might have been 18.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: But um I watched it before I watched like the like the good ones like Scream and Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I might watch it.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I remember so I feel like the first horror film I really and I got obsessed with uh was 28 Days Later.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was and it I feel like it still would scare me, maybe if I watched it for the first time, but yeah, it really and that was like that was like I feel like 28 Days Later doesn't get enough credit for actually being like revolutionary.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it changed it changed the whole genre.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: It changed the whole genre of of horror, zombies, but also like how films could be shot, considering that like um yeah, so many other films that were very um very, very sort of uh inspired but influenced by that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think um Yeah, and then but uh Final Destination, I don't think it's necessarily credited with much, but it probably has impacted like it I mean it's born a franchise and I feel like a good you know, you can't complain if a horror some someone's someone's buying it if a horror launches a franchise.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And there's no there's no real like I feel like it's a teen horror that doesn't have like any sex in it really, does it?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think anything.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's no there's not like Which is very weird.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's very kind of like it's literally just violence, and boy is it violent.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I find there is something quite like so when I was like in a I'll s I'll describe it as a as a bit of a I need to feel something phrase last the end of last year, and I was just like oh god, I you know, like my mind's gone numb and I stumbled upon the deaf compilation scenes on YouTube And I was like, is it healthy to watch these?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll no Yeah.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Can I just say as well?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Also I feel like I have more recent I do have oh yeah.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was gonna say as well.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: In your video at the moment, there is a line going right through your face and it wasn't.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know it's a very basic yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna feel I keep saying that.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: It feels very final destination in it.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it feels very on point.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I'll just I'll pretend it's uh not death.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's from the for anyone listening, it's from the light, it's going like right through Maddie's, it's like going diagonally through Maddie's face and it's just like a very thin line.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like it's what it's what it is like what death is like in the movie.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like death is just a glint of light and then pff like a pole.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine this podcast if this podcast ending recorded recording ended with like a poll coming through me.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Would you would you release it?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Would you be like, well this is I don't think has there been a podcast where someone's died while record whilst recording it?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I hope not.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you would get massive you would get massive like Yeah like especially since we're talking about f I mean just think of the public people wouldn't believe it.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: People like that oh they've made that up.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it's too one point.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's too it's too c it'd be like cursed, wouldn't it?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time it would be Yeah, it'd be quite spooky, but have a coolness about it, and then I'd and I'd be like uh I'm die I'd die doing what I liked most, which is sharing my opinions.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, so uh you said so you saw this at like 16 or you've got to be.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, old enough to yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you were old enough to be like okay with it.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: But the you're again you were saying it was like one of the first horror move real horror movies you watched then.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think I was because I I definitely saw the second one in the cinema and I was too young to go see it, but like we s we we didn't sneak in, we we got like some one of us who looked older to buy the tickets.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Classic movie.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: But I was also I was only a year out, I was like 14.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also like yeah, it's you can watch the news and it's got better it's got gridlier details.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, I'm not gonna dub you into the police, is what I'm saying.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't worry, your your your confession is safe.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, I did it plenty of times as well, so it's fine.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I was gonna say I think I I don't remember when I first saw this one, but it has to have been before that.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I do remember like everyone talking about it.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was like one of those ones, it was a movie where it was a lot of people sort of it was like a status card to say that you'd seen it.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a oh yeah, like I wonder I feel like I did see it at a time where it was still cool.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Either I probably when it came out and people were watching it, I was like, uh, no thanks, and was really snobby about it, or I watched it, I managed to watch it when it was cool and was like, oh yeah, when this happened.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember though, which is rare for me.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I remember there were oh no, go on, sorry.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I do remember it being like the talk of the playground.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I yeah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: I remember a lot of people talking about it, but then like also I remember the second one being a really big deal.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: More so than this one.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I feel like maybe it c the second one came out.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: When let me Google when the second one came out.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um it would have been in 2003.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: The main that Oh, so a couple of years later.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: January 1st.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that would have been perhaps when more people were like the first one got a bit more talk of the players.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it got a bit of a status behind it.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um but also like this one was this one kind of has like such a peak cast of that time as well.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean some very classic Y2K actors.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: So it's got Devin uh Sawyer.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is that how you say his name?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've never been able to say his name.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So what?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sawa?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sawa.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: But basically, he is Stan of MM Stan, the video.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I am I'm just gonna I'm just gonna move downstairs because I don't think that it's a table.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to move downstairs.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Again, this is a very uh precarious I'm walking.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: This looks so creepy now.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is a this is a final destination death if there ever was one.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Feel free, are you recording the video?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I am, but like I'd never use it for anything.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, but you want to use it for like creepy promotional I might actually for the first time.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can use it.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: I might use it.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like the stills, just use stills from uh yeah.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Feel free to right, let's see what how creepy I look on this one.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: You look uh fine now.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, less creepy.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um there is still a line, though.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there is.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Although it's like it's yeah, now it's in your shoulder.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And there's no there's nothing I don't think there's anything that could kill me in this room at least.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll put no there are some poles on the other side of you.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, there are the yeah, some dry coat yeah.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that does look dangerous, doesn't it?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah, so I was saying it's it's um Devin Sauer who is Stan from Eminem Stan video.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, that's him.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: No way, I did not know that.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh it would have been the same year as this.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he was from who's was he the boy in Casper C was he Casper?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, he's the boy, he's the like the living boying.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: He's like the living version of Casper.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: Which I I've gotta be honest, I was more attracted to the ghost of Casper than So many people say that.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's because he's just a bit more aloof, you know, a bit more Yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I've just heard that so I you're not the f I don't even think you're the first one to say it on the podcast.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Weirdly enough.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: But he um yeah.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say the other people, it's Ali Later who was um someone just messaged me about it and was saying, Oh, she's from uh she's the girl from Legally Blonde.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yeah, that's her.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh Heroes.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: And Heroes, yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but she was in loads of stuff around that time.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then obviously Sean William Scott, yeah, Stifler from American Pie.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Classic YTK actor.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Playing the very opposite role of like Stifler.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he I mean he's his character's so cute in this, I think.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: I really felt Yeah, he's so sweet.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's not cool.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: And also a classic, classic actor in the form of Tony Todd.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, Tony Todd, yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: AK Candyman.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Another classic horror movie.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I really thought was a lot older than he actually is.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, how old is he?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's only 67.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: He would have been 47 when this film came out.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: So he would have been in his in his 30s when Candyman came out.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe even maybe in younger, oh gosh.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he I mean he's not aged.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's always looked a very similar age.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: I just associate him being like with being old.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's so weird.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was also looking up like the ages of all of them.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like Devon was 22, but playing, I guess, like what, 16, 17?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: I guess, yeah, middle middle.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: It was hard to like, they didn't get ex they didn't like name their ages or anything, did they?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't say their agents.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very classic Y2K movie where you just have anyone playing a teenager.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: And to be fair, I have seen American teenagers and they do look old.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like often.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: They look they definitely look older than us.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember when I I well I worked when I was 21, I was a camp councillor at an American.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so was I at 21.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I was looking after teenagers.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh so I was like five years older than the people I was looking after.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which I don't think was didn't feel legal, basically.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um I did not enjoy it at all, it was hunger.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember look like everyone just thought I was a camp a camper.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: That everyone just thought I was a camper, and all the campers thought I was a camper as well.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, did you not have to wear like uniform or anything?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: This was like a I was in the roughest Wait, where were you?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was in uh Pennsylvania.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well you'd have to say the actual place, but like what's in uh Pennsylvania.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so was I.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe imagine we were at the same camp.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mine wasn't a rough camp, so I doubt it.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well you might no, but I was on the teenage camp, which was the rough part.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Was it imagine if you were you at New Jersey Y camp?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was at Camp to Wonder.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Camp to Wander.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's lovely.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds lovely.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like it's the one where they film they filmed Wet Hot American Summer there.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh really?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, is that really a classic camp?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it was like literally like the the epitome of like a classic camp.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, no, mine was like I was on the teenage camp where it was very like they didn't want to fund the teenage camp because they didn't believe in it.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of the camp.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was mainly for children, but then teenagers grew and they were like, oh god, it was so underfunded.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's so strange because I thought it was just like a a thing throughout the whole between like four and eighteen.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: You just like that's one big camp thing that this is because it's funded evenly.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was and I think it was because it like the the teenagers because they went up to eighteen and they weren't they weren't they were separated from the rest of the camps, the campers, and they're owned separate bit.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's so interesting.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it also I think made them behave a bit differently.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because they were like just a bunch of teenagers, just a bunch of like 14 to 18 year olds.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um with not much supervision because there are only like 12 camp councillors for like 300 teenagers.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, there What?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there were two of us, two of us for every bunk and there were twelve people in every bunk.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was not fun.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was And we had like six to six of us to twelve kids, I think, or something like that.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, that's that's exactly how it should be.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think my I think my experience of working at a summer camp is worse than what happens in Final Destination.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Good, good, good uh bringing it back to final destination.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so yeah, let's let's kind of talk about it then.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: So Devin Saur Saur uh is the basically the lead character.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: He he's the one that has the premonition about it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it's it's very it very quickly goes into the story, doesn't it?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: I feel I think.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just straight from the get-go.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I I don't know if you saw um they actually they showed the whole the whole opening on Gogglebox.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's how quickly it opens.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: It like They showed the whole open the whole opening like flight scene I showed on Goggle Box.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: And my mum only ever watched it, like her only TV show show that she watched is Goggle Box.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it meant that she recently said to me, Oh, I I'm never gonna fly again.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and I was like, Oh, is that for environmental reasons?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: She was like, Yeah, yeah, and I just don't want to.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I wonder whether it's because she's because of Holland Station.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she saw the opening scene to go high destination last year by Goggle Box.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I was reading about it in the trivia and it says this is the shortest opening sequence of all of them.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: Can you do how long do you think this this opening like death scene is?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think I I re-watched it.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you were saying you rewatched it.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: The op that so the p only the death sequence bit, the plane crash bit.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's two minutes long.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Which is really surprising.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's really good pacing and direction that you feel it feels longer than that.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's very well directed, I think.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: That should that so that shouldn't at least entitle them to one more percent on a yeah.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I think like literally like ten minutes into the film, they're already like out of that whole scene.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Which is wild.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: It just goes straight into it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I because I feel like now it would really drag on and yeah, I think it'd be like Yeah, you that would that would be the there wouldn't be any risks.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that would happen 30 minutes into the movie as well.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: You'd like there'd be some lot of like building up the relationships, getting who's who.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um We don't care about that, we just want to see the deaths.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can learn who everyone is afterwards.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I um I know I read on Wikipedia that this was actually originally supposed to be an X-Files episode, which I think I can see, I can feel the.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: I can see that too.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: Were you a big X-Files Well, I suppose you weren't really watching horror, but were you did you are you a big X-Files fan now?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was too young when it came out, I did see one episode, the one with the China doll.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it's this China doll that the girl would be like everyone start killing each other, and then the everyone would start killing each other or stabbing themselves.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was and the China dolls are creepy as enough as it is, so it's too much for little Maddie.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I did start watching it when they came to Netflix was it Netflix?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like it was like it was on Netflix like three years ago or something like that.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, something like that.
• 35:51
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, yeah, and I I do like a bit of a bit of a fun sci-fi slash home.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: It does f it feel but from what I've seen of X-Files, it does feel very like m very much suited to that.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean a lot of a lot of X-Files um episodes were like they're very sort of one-off and yeah.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I think they're best when they are one-offs.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like the more like self-contained they are the better.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, when it's just horror of the week kind of thing.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Monster of the week.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I think Monster of the Week stuff's always really fun.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, this would be a very fun Monster of the Week, but I think it's I think it's a fun, a fun little horror.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't feel too long, and um it really does surprise me how quickly Well it's only um it's an hour and a half as well.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, proper 90 minute 90 minute movie.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: You can't another thing I really miss from net from now.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like we don't get yeah, they need to definitely bring that back.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: They they I think they made like a huge deal because Venom 2 was gonna be 90 minutes and everyone's like, oh finally, they're bringing back like a 90-minute like uh action horror movie.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I feel like I feel like the post I saw the last Spider-Man and the post-credit scene that had a Venom twist to it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like that that post-credit scene was like 90 minutes long.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's about 30 seconds long.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean it felt long.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: It felt long.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, come on, come on, wrap it up, wrap it up.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that movie itself is like nearly three hours as well.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I was like, I don't know why everyone's uh yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, we're not talking about Spider-Man, we're talking about Final Destination.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, keep maybe keep that in mind for later if you Yeah.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh it was interesting how the characters are they're sort of kept to one side and and in best like they're all held to one side as soon as it's happened and being like, oh you survived this.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it's because well they're kind of kept basically they're kept there because he uh uh the character Alex has the premonition he he's like screaming about how the plane's gonna explode.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Most of them get like pushed off the plane, but then like only one of them like joins, I think it's only clear that joins him, right?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um It's interesting that people are like that are like seem angry that he saved their life.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well the one there's the one guy that's like angry and he says like, oh uh I don't owe you anything because you saved my life, basically.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean that is harsh word from to hear.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'd just be like, yeah, you but I think it's interesting the that I was like again it's very like pre 2001.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: That um that scene.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I just think for me it was very much like I don't think I don't think American intelligence would be that I think they'd just be like, oh he he seems to think that the plane he knew that the plane was gonna explode.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's white, yeah, just they they wouldn't they wouldn't go to that much.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think they would go through that much uh trouble with him.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then like until he starts showing up at everyone else's deaths.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Then they would be like, okay, this is now, we should probably take this guy back in for questioning that.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're up to the city.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but the first one just the first one they would just I feel like they would just been like, yeah, you can go.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well um uh which which of the deaths do you think is would you right, because okay, so it it it it starts with the plane blowing up and then if you survive a plane crash, you you each get a very awkward death.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think you'd rather just go with the plane?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: Cause the because it's more vicious afterwards.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: Each person's death.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: They do get harder and harder, don't they?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you think, oh yeah, this will be this'll be This will be this way, and then they they do another, they do a pull like the train scenes, there's a death where you think that someone's gonna get hit by a train, and then it's even worse.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Someone gets beheaded by a random like bit of wire.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well that's the thing.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think they start off I know, actually that's not true.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say they start off not so bad, but they get progressively worse, but they do start off pretty bad because it's the first the first actual death after that is the one where you get strangled in the bath.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which I think I think I imagine everyone that saw that thought, oh fuck, that's like Oh, it's horrifying.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's horrifying.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so scared of that.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's um and also I was kind of like I I watched it being like, what part of what part of the shower is that?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I've never had a shower of like some random elastic.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like some plastic.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a clothesline, isn't it?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's kind of like that, yeah, but you don't have clothes lines in America, do you?
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like when Yeah, I suppose they don't really, do they?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: They don't really like no, I don't know what that is, but whatever it is, it doesn't look like a safe feature, and I bet no one has some anymore.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: And also there's like no slip there's no like uh thing in the bar to protect slipping.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no bath mat or anything like that.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think as well it's pretty you'd be pissed that everyone would rule it out as a suicide.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: It does look like a suicide though.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does look, yeah.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you yeah, you'd be like fair play, but also I'm annoyed.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because originally it wouldn't look like a suicide, but then the water like moves away slowly.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also it'd just be kind of like, oh, this is too much effort for um us to deal with, and let's just let's just choose whatever's the the least amount of paperwork.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's definitely dead.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, one thing I want to mention, this is this is why I was talking about it earlier.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Did you catch the agents' names?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: I did not.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me them, I cannot wait.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the agents is called Agent Shrek.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this came out the same year as Shrek.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's predate Shrek.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: What a like And every time he says they keep saying it in the movie and it just makes me it made me laugh every single time.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: How did I not notice that?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I watched this just before Christmas, this movie.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, Agent Shrek played by Roger Gernvier Smith, who is a best known collaborator with Spike Lee movies.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Spike Lee.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen him in a lot of Spike Lee movies.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is he in Do the Right Thing?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: He is, yeah.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, is he is he the pizza man?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, he's the guy that's like uh he like yells a lot.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um Oh yes, I know who you mean.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: I know exactly who you mean.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: The I know the guy that the guy that yells a lot.
• 43:00
  unknown: Yeah.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well well done on having a a career with Spike Lee.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: And taking your time out to star in the star out star as Agent Shrek.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Agent Shrek.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, what a classic, what a classic agent name.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so they they basically those Agent Shrek and Agent Agent Weenie.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is the other ones called Agent Ween Weenie?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: They need a spin-off season.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: They need their own X-Pile series.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um they they they take them off the plane, but they let them go, basically.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing they're they're fine with it.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then there's a m memorial service for everyone.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which they often don't sort of show that kind of thing in a movie.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, everyone would be really bummed out, you would have like a memorial.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like the amount of times we're like, oh, 40 people died.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Forty students died, yeah.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: And one teacher.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Also, it's bizarre that they just flew off without them.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you wouldn't there's no way to do it.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well they let the one they w they they take the one teacher.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you'd be like, surely you can't have one teacher with like I know a couple of dozen students.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah Well it would be like thirty-five of them, wouldn't it?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would be a c yeah.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Too many students anyway, you'd be like, no Yeah.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: You'd just chuck everyone off, wouldn't you?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I suppose that would make a much shorter, longer movie.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we need five minutes.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Did you find that other teacher really weird as well?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: That actor, that actor, like they cast in perfectly, but the actor did definitely had that sort of weird ass French teacher vibe, didn't they?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: That it just really reminded me of school because like I went to the school I went to was considered a language school.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we had like so we had a lot basically like every we were learning so many different languages at the same time, but like that's it reminded me of my German teacher.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, he had German teacher vibes.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that casting director might have thought as soon as I got the briefing for that casting, they're like, I know this so girl.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: What's the school?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds right.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was it a school in London?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh just outside of London, in Harfordshire.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, interesting.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: What languages can you speak?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: At the moment, like basic, basic Spanish, basic, basic Japanese, and then like nothing else.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's very that's I learned French and German.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: We learned yeah, French and German up until like year nine.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then did like one year of Japanese.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's I mean, still very, very impressive.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Still better than m I'd say 90% of everyone that lives in Britain.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, my I I still failed all of them when I took when I took my GCSEs, I did not do well in them.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well, I mean it's it's a spirit, you know?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's the spirit of being able to speak then.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: The emotion.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: But that was like our that was like our the the best thing about our school, and then everything else was just terrible.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I look back and I I it's interesting when you look back at the teachers and you just assume that they were of the nationality.
• 46:12
  unknown: Yeah.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like one of our French teachers, he's Irish, and I was like, what?
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: How did that happen?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like We're an English Japanese teacher.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, wow, wow.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: That is like yeah, it's like there is a yeah, I don't think any I think there's only like two teachers that are of the nationality.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: I remember we our Spanish teacher was Spanish, and that was the only one I think that was of the nationality.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: You think that there'd there'd be more criteria in learning like I mean I don't I didn't learn French, so I don't know what the how learning French with but I now look back and I'm like that is like what was why did we just assume that they had the qualifications to teach this language?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: Did you wait, you you speak like you speak other languages, don't you?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: I can speak uh I can sort of I can read and speak a bit of German.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can read and speak a bit of Korean.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can read I can I can if I got like a French document in front of me, yeah.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: It would take me a while, but I could sort of piece out what it is to go.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of how I am with Spanish and Japanese, basically.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's if I had to go to those countries and fend for myself, it would be like and if I went and spoke like if I said oh yeah, I can speak conversational German in and went to Germany, I think the the locals would be like yeah no Deutsches Reckon.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, even though I understand that and it's been it's been fifteen years.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they wouldn't they would not uh they would not agree that I was uh um yeah so let uh back to this movie then like they um the first death comes the first real death uh outs after the plane crash comes with um one of the guys just comes off the plane, he gets strangled basically in the toilet in at night uh in the bathroom when uh water drips from the toilet and he slips and he gets a big old strangling.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's disgusting and it's terrifying and it lasts so long.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that lasts longer than the entire plane cracks scene.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: It does, it definitely does.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well I can't I'm not guaranteed I'm just like it definitely does.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it feels like it does.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the actor playing it was probably either like, yes, I'm acting my heart out, this is how I'm gonna get an Oscar when he was making it, or he was like, Can we just like how many takes do we have to do this?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: There is I did one I did read one really funny bit of trivia though about Devin Saw, which is that he um in the opening scene he was supposed to pretend to be asleep and then he fell asleep for four hours.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: I guess they just left him to sleep.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't it doesn't really make sense.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it must have been it looks like it was a night shoot because like yeah.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it I guess was a night shoot, really, wasn't it?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you'd just be like, yeah, I'm ready for bed.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I guess they just filmed him while he was sleeping.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean good good acting from from Mr.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Saya Sawyer?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Sawyer, I don't know.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um but what?
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: That makes no sense either.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: The shot of Alex's bedside clock, which fades to one from 1am to 180, took five days to get correct.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, so they must have had to CGI it.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well that's the thing, like now it would just be like a 30-second CGI job, wouldn't it?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they probably I feel like I could do that now.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe they um they didn't want to use any CGI and they're like, we need to uh re-edit it.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, there's no CGI in this movie, everything's realistic.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the yeah, the youth the again, yeah, very YTK CGI.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: That plane crash does not look great now.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I watched re-watched it on YouTube before, and uh I was like, maybe I shouldn't be watching it was like the HD version.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, maybe I shouldn't be watching it in HD because you can see how you like really notice the bad details.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the yeah, the green screen is flapping in the background.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, so like they they they find out that um so they sneak in basically that Alex and Clear sneak into a morgue and they find out to see uh the other guy's body, basically, and they f they find out through uh uh Tony Todd's character, who's the mortician, that uh there's no escaping death, basically, he tells them in a very creepy way.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's like does a real point.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: He he melted every line.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, but he's so good at it.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Coming to you That's my impression, I think.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: He says first of the first thing he says is be quiet, you'll wake the dead.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: What a lovely, what a lovely welcome uh and then he says in death there are no accidents and no mistakes I mean I feel like you know when you like you hear dialogue as a kid or a teen, you're like that is deep.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's so deep, and then now you look back at it now, you're like And you look back and you're like that's written by a 29-year-old.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah That's it I I'm actually gonna have to have a look and see who uh who wrote it and when.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, anyway, sorry.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um And he says that death has a new design for all of you.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, like it's now ro it will now rotate through all of you, he's saying to them.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and you can't escape it.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's gonna go in your it's gonna go in an order, but you don't know what that is.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um he said to them, I'll see you soon.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Which it's not true with those two.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because neither of them die.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, and it's also very um it's very like it's very kind of like I'll see you soon, but also like uh do you want to be friends with us?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like just uh people hang out.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: I did just find out that the yeah, the writer would have been like 30 when he wrote this.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's upsetting that But um looking at his photo he um he looks like he's African American, so at least there is there's that diversity and he's openly gay.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: So uh that's what I like about horror, there's always a lot of diversity.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and also he wrote when he was 14 he wrote a ten-page treatment to a prequel on Hot Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um returned on red uh from New Line Cinema.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Which uh Which is very nice.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's very cute that he did that when he was a teenager.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have just noticed the thing though, you made me like talking about that all that, you made me click on this and I've just noticed that there's a final destination six coming.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and it's isn't it being what who is working on it?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um there is someone who I enjoyed the last horror film that they made.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um I didn't say and I think it was but do you know what I think there's two different horror I think it might be Wait.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: Story by the guy who did John John Watts.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: John Watts, yes.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: The guy who made Spider-Man.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: He made Spider-Man.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it all ties together.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um he also made What did he make?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: He made a very good horror film.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry?
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Cop car.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: What did he do that seems to be the only other thing?
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: Clown?
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Did he make do you want maybe it wasn't him?
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I thought the person that wrote you're next, I thought it was him.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like there was someone else though that was like I'm I wanna make I would like to make Final Destination 6 I'll put my own my own hat in the ring.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but well do uh do a write a do a uh Yeah, right to write my idea would be I think it'd be good to set I think it'd be good to do a final destin destination film set in like VR.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh like people playing like a VR video game, you know, like you can do those ones where it's like in a house or like a building, so you like and then they'd all die, but then it's like they're done the guy the game and then they're actually dying in real life, so it'd be like a double whammy.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well have you seen there's a there's a Black Mirror episode kind of like that?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is so that's the video game one, jump test.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually in that.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Are you?
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, randomly.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I have uh so the guy before he dies, he's being toured around the video games um shop.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah shop, it's not a shop, it's a office.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he comes up to someone's computer who's like designing the game that he eventually plays, and that person is me.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Little fun fact for you.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I'm just uh and yeah, and if you look close at the screen you see that the character on my screen is um is the person like the character that comes comes and haunts him in the game.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a little uh I don't think anyone really ever picks up on.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't yeah, I haven't seen that episode in a long time, so but Do you know what I really I thought it was very good and then I thought it was the most critically derided of the series.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't I thought it was a good episode.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like genuinely Yeah, I thought it was fun.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: And not just because I was in it, no.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not just because I'm talking to you about it now, I genuinely think it's a good episode.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm uh yeah, it was one of those things where I was like, Yeah, yeah.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's fun.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Black Mirror is I feel like pra Black Mirror is a a great horror concept.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose it is many ways quite like a modern day X-Files, but yeah, I was gonna say, like kind of this is kind of like a precursor to that almost.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: In a lot of ways.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like yeah, so maybe maybe Black Mirror will do wake up and smell the opportunity and make their own final destination film.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um let's just go through well, let's finish off with these deaths then, basically.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the other deaths.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_02: So there's Terry who gets hit by a bus.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: A nice shot, a nice jump scare.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love I also love a I mean it's so it's so done that bus hit.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so, so done.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um but not at the time, I don't think.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like I don't think at the time it was.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's still very very rev like revolutionary new.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: And also the blood.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's never enough blood in American cinema.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like that's where like it's really interesting you say that.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because like I feel one of the criticis Oh no, well, I guess like in yeah, I guess in action movies it's not.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, and also they they always paint it blue so it's not like red.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for to get around censorship.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I that's what I love about like a lot of like European and East Asian films.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like blah blah blah blah blah.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like let's just have it.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, yeah, it looks looks camp and gory.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well that's yeah, that's the thing.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't so I only really got into like the East Asian cinema like later on, like not yeah, not at the time when I was watching this, and then I watched the East Asian stuff and it was like, oh, this is really gory compared to those.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: When you actually like, yeah, there's just like you're like, I don't think actually that much blood could come out of one person.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, especially like the m those martial arts movies when you watch them, they are like brutal.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I think yeah, I think there's often like a lot of humour with violence, and I think that Final Destination does that.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh yeah, yeah.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: The deaths are pretty funny.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it leans into the into them more in the like sequels than it does into the in this one in terms of being funny.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think the funniest bit of this one is when the original plane crash and a suitcase bumps off everyone's head.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: It just goes down the aisle, bumping it, smacking everyone on the head.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, and I'm like, ha ha ha ha capitus.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think it's supposed to be funny.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it really does bounce across the head today.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: But there is probably like it's at the same time where there's more teasers like rolling down the aisle as well.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: They probably thought um there's probably like an AD that just was like, Oh yeah, this is a prop suitcase that can hit people on the head, and he's like, right, and he's like, and there's all these ones who's like, okay, I'll throw it.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just went bouncing, and they were like, Yeah, that looks good.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: Looks great, yeah.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, they spent five days getting it exactly on everyone's head to perfect it.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, Yeah, and you gotta act like it hurts.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then it this is uh she gets hit by the bus, and then he finally figures out the order of what it's gonna be because of the news, there's like a news report on it, and he like traces it, he's like, Oh, it's going from her to him to you to me, and then like and then he realized it's the teacher's next, and so he rushes to the school, uh rushes to her house.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um while Oh my god, she gets the worst.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think she gets the worst deal.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, but I mean she does make the rookie mistake of pulling the glove.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know why every movie does this.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're sure that you know this by now.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like people should know this.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I watched I watched her first ever oh yes.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: I watched Yellow Jackets and um someone has something stuck inside of them in the first age says no, don't take that out.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: And like finally, finally, someone said don't remove a sharp object.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was like And that's set in the 90s as well, so they know that then.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, but yeah, you should never take a blade of glass out of your neck.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's just she should have turned out that door and ran.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: And probably tripped up and died, but yeah.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well she couldn't get past the fire.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she shouldn't have taken it out and then stepped into the fire, yeah.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so she gets a she gets impaled by in the neck by glass from her her computer screen.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: Then there's a fire, uh, and then she like and then then she fought, yeah, and then she slips over and a knife goes impales her in the stomach.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's a gas leak.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's a gas leak that explodes, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was like death everywhere.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I I like her brutal her desperation to stay alive.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well yeah.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: She really she d doesn't give up until the very end.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: But she brings it on herself by playing John Denver.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and also from removing the uh And the glass, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: The glass, yeah.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um But this is that's when they finally like um Oh yeah, the the reason it happened the whole reason it happens is because she like pours hot water and then gets scared and throws it out and then she like replaces it with cold like freezer uh vodka.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_02: The glass cracks and she holds it over the la over the the computer screen.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that was a that was a very well-known thing as well in the late 90s, like if you China can change temperature and break.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: Also, it's just like it's that those computers are just so dated there.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Y2K.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the only thing that could have made that even more Y2K is if a chip panfire happened.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think if that does ever happen in any of them.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's no, I don't think I think chip pan fires were like a real British thing.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mean a specifically like a chip panfire, but like, you know, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the very the most famous one I think is probably the sunbed one, even though it's another film.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: The sunbed one and the uh what's the one where what's it called where you get needles in you acupuncture.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: The acupuncture disc.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: Those are in this those are the both the same film, I think, aren't they?
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think so, yeah.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the acupuncture is like people that's so LA.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever wrote that is so LA.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well yeah because everyone else is like, what what are they doing?
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, the one that always stuck out to me is in the second one where uh they get they go to get the ring out of the the garbage disposal thing and they get their hand caught.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then they like and then they fall and then they finally get their hand out and they fall over and then they s they slip and then they're like, oh, it's over, and then uh the ladder comes and pails at them in the eye.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's also one with I feel like there's a one where glass Where's the one where the hands on them?
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: Where it slices them in half.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't remember where that one is.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: And there's also the tree the tree log one.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's the opening to that.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and that is the one where like yes, I remember now.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the best opening out of all of them.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it really does.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: It really does make everyone scared of trilogs.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because then the third one is the roller coaster, right?
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: The fourth one I don't have any memory of.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um oh no, it's a fourth one it's a fourth one w one where there's a bridge.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's the last one.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: No bridge collapse.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's the last one.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: I can't look up what the fourth one is.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I need to know the I need to know the.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_02: The fourth one's called the final destination.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it wasn't.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: They uh they got two racetrack.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: A racetrack, uh that's I don't remember.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: Have I even seen that one?
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I know I've seen that one.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I have seen that on YouTube when I went from my final destination death's death uh you uh Oh god, you need to hear some of these names though, the characters in this.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: One of them is called Racist, one of them's called Racist Wife.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh brilliant.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: One of them's called MILF's husband.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and one of them called MILF, obviously.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad, I'm glad.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that was 2009.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: 2009, which you know, isn't uh it feels quite uh recent, but it's actually quite far away now.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_02: But do you know what as well?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: That puts American Pi in this in the Final Destination universe.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: And Sean Williamscott's in Final Destination.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because it's a MILF, yeah.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're the same, like the same, like, or it's a multiverse and like there's kind of characters, same energy for Sean Williamscott comes through the monkey.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's stiff luck.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, you you know, you've got the same soul just existing in a different world.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you grew up in this universe, you would have been like the Yeah, one had a hot mum, the other had a hot death.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like in this world you grew up innocent and pure, this one you like you're filthy disgusting.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe that should be yeah, someone should uh That is a YouTube documentary waiting to happen that like people would eat up.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, let's make it.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's what yeah.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's how that's how we're gonna get big on TikTok.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: The yeah.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: Why n why 2K movies prove that there's a a multiverse.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um then there's one more death.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, tech there's two more deaths, but like one more before the end.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it's uh Sean William Scott's death where they're all s Carter decides to speed uh with all of them in the car, and then he stops on the train tracks and they all get out and he gets stuck in there.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: And eventually Alex manages to pull him out just in time before the train gets there, and because of that it skipped him and it goes to Sean William Scott's character who then gets his head sliced off.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in a very poor way.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: Very uh So is that is that the one that you would least want out of all of them?
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it probably was the most traumatic for the people that witnessed.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: But it was most quick, probably.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Probably the most quick, yeah.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's no you wouldn't be taken to hospital with the hope that they might be able to get you better again.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely not.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: They're like that that one's like gone.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: They're definitely gonna be.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pronounced dead at the scene.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then after that they the uh oh no, Claire Clea almost dies because Yes.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is horrific.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: This one, this is so awful.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she gets stuck in a car and like a a bit of like electrical wire like lands on the car and she can't get out of the car in time.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_02: But then there's also like fire on the car at the same time.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so Alex like grabs the wire to save her.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: And because he knows he's not next, basically.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's very much like, oh yeah, I can.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so she gets out of the car, and then the three of them think they're safe, and it cuts to six months later, and they're all going to Paris.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's nice that at least they all went to Paris, you know.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: They they got to go and eat see the Eiffel Tower, maybe see some topless ladies at the Moulin Mou.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: They got to like live their final moment.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one of their final moments, because um Alex starts getting well, Clear gets the premonition this time.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she sees a bus going past in like a in a reflection, but it's not there, basically.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_02: But then she like tells him to get out of the way.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so it skips Alex and it goes to uh no, it doesn't skip Alex, it's um because then the sign comes down, it's about it, doesn't it?
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: And he gets pushed out of the way by Carter.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then that's when Carter gets hit by the sign.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's the end of the movie.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember that being much more impactful when I first saw it, and now it doesn't feel like it's kind of like an emotional, yeah, it's very sort of like, oh there's a yeah, that yeah, you kind of were like, oh come on, these guys have been for enough.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_02: But then it cuts yeah.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: So then so then it cuts to the credits, and that's the end of the movie.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a very I think I do appreciate a movie that's just like ha doesn't answer itself.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't explain like I think there's no.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they don't explain they don't explain why that why death is coming for them.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I do you know what I I feel there is something to be said for uh something that doesn't explain its own like that doesn't explain the world.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: It just shows you the it shows you the rules, but it doesn't explain.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think there's something to be said that there's a lot of uh things there's a lot of things that have been created and like they don't necessarily know the reason behind it and like it's a bit like Lost, like the downfall of Lost was that they tried they tried they yeah, when they finally explained it it just became like Yeah, it wasn't really it took the it took the the the fun of it out of it, I think.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: In many ways, I think it would have been better.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's either don't explain it at all or explain it very early on and then deal with it from there.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I think um like make people Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas I think uh this Final Destin I mean what is interesting about Final Destination is that it's one of those things that started before that was made before fan theories really came.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because we I just think Lost was like Lost and Harry Potter meant that fan theory like they they came out before the internet what before the internet was about before the lot of like they were finished being made and stuff, so it sort of gave birth to fan theories.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um I think people are now really into fan theories in even in things where they there's no doesn't need even stuff where it's not like you don't need to like because a lot of people have mad fan f fan theories and twists and stuff and stuff, and I'm like no, I don't think I don't think these twists like are um like when Squid K when Squid came get got really popular and everyone started having all these mad fan theories, I'm like no you need to watch more K drama and like most K dramas are one off standalone theories and it was all as you see and as you like Well how do you feel about them bringing it back then?
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well I think it I think it's it's interesting because the the the di the right the director writer was very much like oh I'd like to see it happen in other worlds He was like oh in not in other worlds in other countries Yeah yeah And that's what they sort of hinted towards now on the Netflix and that's something like oh it'll be a multi uh multi so it might be a bit like uh money heist which isn't that sort of Yeah split across places yeah I don't think that would work but I think a lot of people are like that's why why'd you do why'd you do that?
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: But then I'm like Korean culture remakes like every like so much stuff is remade in Korea that I'm like it's it's not like it's not not within the culture of which it's made.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like yeah.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think yeah, it could be good, but I I don't also like there's uh if you're gonna remake if you're gonna make another series of it, like I don't it's it's either gonna end up being the same thing again or like by taking it to another place, it's like it changes out.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise it's gonna be too similar.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think you do yeah, it needs to explore, yeah.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: It can't just be like we all know what happens in Battle Royale when they try and yeah, uh they try and make it like a crazier version, up the stakes a bit, and it's like no, just it does not work.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Create a new, just expand the world.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Which is what Final Destination has done right, you know?
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: They they've they've taken they know the format.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, can we talk about the fifth one then?
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the fifth one, so this is the the race car one or the last one?
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, this is the f the last one.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the one with the bridge.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_02: The one with the bridge.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember the ending?
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I did see the ending, but I can't remember it.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me, tell us all what happened.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this does a spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen it, but you discover at the ending that the characters in this movie, in the final, in the last one, it leads them and they get on the plane from the first one.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: So they are in that time period.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: They get on the they're some of the people on the plane, and they die on the plane, and that's the end of the movie.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: That is such a good twist.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great twist.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: The movie itself is not great, but the twist at the end, everyone was like, Yeah, it's well done.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is very, very good.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: It cuts and you see you see the characters in like Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so good.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: So you see, yeah.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I remember actually watching it and being like, why have they got such an old cell phone or something?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the thing.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: They have like flip phones and stuff.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: That makes sense, yeah.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever I watch something, I'm like, why is the cell phone so old?
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remember watching when I when I worked at uh American Summer Camp, we did a coach trip somewhere and they put Remember Me on, and all the way through I was watching it being like, why is this why is this why have they got such why is this set five years ago?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well it wasn't five years ago, it was like ten years ago.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, why is this set um why is this set so long ago like so recently but not that recently?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Why and then that ended like set in two it was like set in 2001.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Why is it set in 2001?
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: What happens in oh that happens in 2001.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, guys, do you know this is set this this twist is gonna be about 9-11 and everyone was like, Well and then when it happened, I was like, you can't this is film is not okay, and everyone's like, shut up, we love the guy from Twilight.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like doesn't it have like nothing to do with 9-11 as well throughout the whole movie?
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: And they're just like literally just like the character's just like he has daddy issues, goes to make amends with his dad and then dies.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Such a weird ending, yeah.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that is and that there's a character in it who's like she's really quirky because she always eats dessert before the main meal.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's like her quirky feature, and like that is a recipe for poor blood sugar levels, yeah, which will lead to diabetes.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not a quirky trait trait, it is a weird idea, yeah.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, but yeah, so that that does make me wonder though, like with the with that twist at the end, it does make me wonder what they're gonna do for this thing.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Are they just gonna completely are they gonna do like a reboot or are they gonna Yeah?
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose I feel like reboots are probably the easiest way forward.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's like apparently the reason for reboots is because if you don't if you have a copyright to something.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's intellectual property, isn't it?
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you stop making it, someone else can make it.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they keep making um that's why all those fantastic fours have been made across the time.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like they're like they're like, we haven't even got script, just make it, we can't lose.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they did in '94.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: That that there's like a really bad '94 one where it's just like they made it for like so ch they made it for like next to no money, had no intention of releasing it.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, just make it so we don't lose the rights to it.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of that, and it's I I mean, I'd still it'd still be fun to, you know, maybe, maybe one day we'll be in a Fantastic Four.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny because like Fantastic Four were the prime Marvel real estate, it was like the most lucrative characters, they were like the biggest ones, the ones that everyone knew, the the first ones, and but because like Marvel under Disney just didn't give a shit.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, Okay, we'll just we don't we know that people don't care about the characters, they care about the story.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: We'll buy all these shit weird characters that no one cares about, make good films, and it's paid and like it's so funny that at one point in history, like no one really knew who Iron Man was, and I know it's wild that you were like that's the one you're gonna lead with to open up this universe.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then it's like now it's like, oh yeah, the big character, whereas like Fantastic Four, there's probably like loads of kids and teenagers who have no idea who Fantastic Four are whereas like even their grandparents would know who Fantastic Four are.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I feel like I grew up knowing all of that stuff, and like so Fantastic Four, X-Men, all those like old cartoons stuff, like ugh.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny that Spider-Man's the one that they're still like, no, he's the one that belongs, like will still like they haven't really tried to get Fantastic Four or X-Men.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's one character and it's easier to get one character.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_02: They are bring they are bringing both of those into them though.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: They will, yeah.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And Deadpool as well, I imagine it would just be.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I yeah, I do, yeah.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just sort of like we just have to accept that this is what movies will be like now.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is just blockbuster movies now.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is just yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're not that that's the other thing, we don't get a lot of these like the the level of final destination.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_02: We don't get that now.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_02: We don't we either get like a really expensive movie or a really cheap movie, and you don't get this like yeah, mid-level budget.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting, isn't it?
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think like as well, there aren't a lot I feel like horror has now got very highbrow.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it means that like um there is less franchise.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that like the last film that was of this ilk, which I would say a lot more high I would say it's highbrow, is but also fun camp and teenager would probably be and quite mainstream would probably be Cabin in the Woods.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it was but it was made in a way with the ending without the revealing the ending, there's no way that they could launch a front a franchise.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, there's no it's it's so clever like that.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's so like this is a quintessential horror film, but we cannot there's no possible way that there's a sequel, which I think is delicious.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And also it was one of those films that was stuck in the Miramax um stuck in the what sorry there's like a whole m load of films that were made by Miramax and Oh yeah, yeah, it got stuck for it got delayed for years, didn't it?
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like two or three years.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, before he was famous.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, before he was famous, and then I could just about play a teenager and then like five years later it's like what's an old man playing a teenager?
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But he does look a bit like a teenager, I guess.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was just looking at the budget of Final Destination, and it's 23 million, which is like Oh I mean, that is I feel like films uh are probably made for a lot less I mean twenty-three million, what would that be of inflation though?
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Probably like 40.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which is big budget.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: That is pretty big budget, actually.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I suppose uh the cast was quite I don't know, we think they're like not that well known, but they're probably like somewhat.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: They're they probably had some fans, and also you don't have like fans in the way that you then that you like you'd have like people that were fans of like boy bands and stuff, but you wouldn't have you don't have people that are like TikTok famous or Instagram famous, so it's a very people weren't bothered by influencers following Claire, thankfully just imagine oh there's gonna be some in the new one, aren't there?
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh yeah, possibly.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well you you ha apparently you get asked your following auditions now, so you ask it you asked what?
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_00: You can get asked your following, like how many followers you have at an audition.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh really?
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Did you see that um the one going round where he was he tried to get into Juilliard and then he didn't like he or he he did a really bad audition and then he has such a huge following that they like like first of all Juilliard turned him down and uh he he said like he auditioned with like a Shakespearean uh role and he barely tried and he was doing like this bad British accent and he couldn't he couldn't be bothered to learn the lines, sent this in.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_02: Juilliard turned him down, and then his fans were like, How dare you turn him down?
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: He's an amazing actor, just give him a chance.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_02: And like they turned they started rating Juliard on Google really badly.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_00: No way, yeah.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_00: That is like what is that is yeah, a very strange new way that the world works, so you don't even get harassed into it's like do you know how hard it is to get into that school in the first place?
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_02: They let like four people in a year.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh my gosh.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_00: And also like I don't even think like a lot of people that go to Juilliard, I don't know whether they necessarily have a great time.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, I've heard bad.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_03: Or that you're necessary.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the the person that I like someone that went to Juilliard um is it Au Aubrey Aubrey Plaza went there?
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, she went to NYU.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: She went to NYU.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like there was someone that was like I know Gillian Jacobs went to uh Juilliard.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_02: If that's who you're gonna say.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's like yeah, there's like the odd intriguing person that would go there.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_02: And she went for like dance or something as well, which is like really unexpected.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um that is uh I'm just reading Aubrey Plaza's.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just yeah, I know there have been people that had very um very intriguing people that have gone to Juilliard, but I do think that um yeah, it's you still gotta have the talent and actually try.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like a drama school is always a bit of a scam, isn't it, anyway?
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of education.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Just go and do if you're a TikTok fan, you can get that kind of following, just get them to actually invest in a uh crowdfund or something or I know he's got like four million followers, he can do whatever he wants.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he can get people to harass people into working for him for free and make a short film.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so uh we we kind of we talked about the movie.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Do you uh let's talk about uh let's move on to the final segment then.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh which is the reverse of this, which is uh a movie that you that is well loved uh by critics and fans that you think is a bad movie.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, um very recently, I know it's gonna be very controversial, but I think Promising Young Woman is a terrible film.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's getting a lot of that lately.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's getting a lot more.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've seen I've seen people on Twit Twitter, and I just wondered whether it's because I've liked those tweets that they're showing up more.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm definitely seeing it a lot more now.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just think it was like I watched it with such high expectations, I was so excited, I thought it looked great, but I felt like it was so self-indulgent.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't really, it just presented information, it didn't provide any resolution or anything to be gained from it.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like it it was drenched in privilege.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt like given who wrote it and directed it.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Also, Carrie Mulligan, brilliant actress, really, you know, so talented, but definitely not 29 years old.
• 1:24:02
  unknown: Right.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I also I agree with that that article that said that she didn't play the role that well, like she wasn't the perfect I would have been much more interested in watching someone like Emma Roberts in that role.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would have been a lot more interesting, someone that has that sort of like um slightly uh edgy edge about like like yeah, dangerous edge to them.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I think it had all this strange Catholic imagery, but nothing else that really sort of Tony went with that.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like a lot of stuff it was just like great for the gram.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I felt.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was all great for the gram.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the most I said it was drenched or privilege.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Someone that is clearly the child of a multi multimillionaire would write the lines, Oh, I've recommended you for a job to head office of this coffee shop.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, What a little quaint coffee shop has a head office.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_00: What job are you gonna recommend a child that she has?
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's someone that's really never had a job in their life, has written that.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even think about that.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just like, I was like, what the heck?
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you wouldn't even think if you like managed a Starbucks, you wouldn't be able to be like, Oh, hey, hey head office, I'm gonna I'm gonna recommend this uh my one other employee of this very small, obviously non-chain, yeah, where we don't even have an electrical till kind of copy.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, I um I watched it once and I really enjoyed it when I watched it, and then I started reading and then I when I was and then I like read the like feedback from it that people were and the discourse of it, and I was like, actually, you know what, you're actually kind of right about this, it's not yeah like I got I got a bit swept away with it.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would have been a great film if she actually killed her victims.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's one thing.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_00: That would have made it yeah.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of because then you're like, okay, she is we're rooting for her, but she is doing something that's very destructive, but she didn't even do that.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think if she'd killed them, I would have been like, This is this is genius because it's like where's the morality?
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, but everything was so convenient.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that like the so there's a like again, you should probably shouldn't be listening to this if uh if you don't want any spoilers, but it's a bit where she's like, Oh, I've kidnapped your daughter, and rather than just leaning over the phone and dialing 911, the dean of admissions is like, What?
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what you what are you doing?
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you doing that?
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_00: And like and like what yeah, and also the bit where like she smashes up this guy's headlights and it's like, why didn't he drive off?
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why didn't he get a gun out?
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's America, you know, like everything is so convenient.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lot of yeah, definitely a lot of convenience in that movie.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh where uh it's and also the one thing I will say they did right out of it was the casting of the men uh by using it.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think the casting's great, but yeah, that everyone knows as these like good guys from like comedy TV and everything.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's something very fun, and I think that there's also like the way that it did show um men as um like men that are attractive can just be dangerous and sleepy and horrible.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not like only but I think that there were sort of conversations that like people had like ten years ago now being presented on film.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I suppose an an element of that is because w like women, female directors and writers like struggle to um get stuff made, so maybe the story was written many years ago, but I do think that it it w was dripping with privilege and written.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_00: Also I think like every like character was just serving to for the purpose of the lead, which is quite an issue when the supporting characters are like uh a black trans woman stuff.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like she has no she had nothing to do.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like it's like representation stuff um is important but it can't be handled in a way where it's like oh just because that person's there it's like we're giving good representation.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no every character n deserves especially when they're like portrayed by people that are from like marginised backgrounds.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think it's like as like a white woman like like it's not been for most of cinema history like the most films haven't had like w female characters and it's like being even though like you know most characters would always be white women it's still feeling like it's I feel like you should be in a position where you're like oh no I know how awful it is to see white women having so like someone that looks like me having such a terrible role yeah that that is why it's important to ensure that now we're in a place where we can give our if we can take if we if we have the advantage now don't don't pull the ladder up just yeah yeah yeah like you've got to ensure that like you're helping like you are seeing the flaws of the system before you're not just continuing with that system you know you are yeah dismantling it.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I completely agree.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's me getting very deep that's me getting very deep.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Nice it's great no I completely agree with you.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah so that's uh promising young woman uh not a fan well you were not a fan from the beginning of it like the first time you saw it no do you know I was so when the trailer came out I was like this is a film I've waited my whole life put together Oh yeah the trailer was amazing yeah and I was like I was so excited for it and um and when I started watching it I was like oh yeah this is good and then like it went on and I'm like oh this is this isn't getting any further away from the trailer like nothing.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and then I was like hang on then I was like this isn't this is getting like oh this is happening and I don't think and I'm like oh this is this isn't as clever as it thinks it is oh why is this oh it'll all come together at the end oh no the end is even worse yeah yeah I don't think that ending I don't like that ending at all.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah it's it's like I mean it's propaganda isn't it really?
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah um yeah um all yeah it's all very yeah so I'm very much like yeah uh there is there will be a great vengeance film made I feel like John Tucker Must Die is better more feminist uh a formal episode of this yeah oh really I can't believe John Tucker yeah actually I can also I understand dropped Dropped Their Gorgeous uh was completely destroyed by critics.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let me look that up it's such a good movie but I think that that's again an uh an example of when uh 46 yeah yeah yeah completely destroyed by critics that's a really good movie example of yeah and what a cast yeah it's a brilliant film it's so good but I think that's a an example of like the misogyn misogyny from like Eras Gone by.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah um and it does deserve a revisit I feel like on a grander scale I feel like you know BFI should do a screening of it.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well speak to the people at BFI and get it get it done.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I get it so I'd be like let's invite all the critics and see what they but I feel like every time there is something with all female cast people can be if it's not like if it's not like a middle class posh yeah uh film or something or there is anything that does people easily criticize it in a way they wouldn't if there was like uh female posh people very true yeah that's me bring it back to the class divide oh well it's been great having you on thank you so much for doing thank you so much for having me um how can we find you online and do you have anything you want to promote so I I mean I will always be doing shows here and there um I please follow me on Instagram that'd be my my first place which is at Diary of a maddy maddy spelled D A D D I E um I know that when you first tap in Diary of a Mad uh the first profile that comes up is Diary of a mad dieter and I'm like no that's I thought it was gonna be Diary of a what's the what's that that film Diary Diary of a mad black woman oh yeah no um that Tyler Perry one yeah that I mean that would yeah sure I hadn't even occurred of that when I wrote that oh well like now maybe appropriate oh well um that is not a good movie so don't worry about it.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I know there's a a Diary of a madman as well which is a play but I'm like that could also be a really problematic thing and people like why are you naming taking your handle from that but uh yeah.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well we were discuss that what we were saying about the other day you also like the is the Campion names you like you could we were talking about how you could like take that name and use it as well for like for Jane Campion.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I could yeah I should uh yeah maybe I should change change my daughter of Jane daughter of Jane yeah daughter of Jane or maybe I have to be like niece of Jane.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like Jane Campion does have a daughter with an actress.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh really yeah I think she's in like some big Hollywood movie like but she's like not taken like the um so I I will not promote my my Alice Englert she is in beauty she's in beautiful creatures that like we found them Hollywood um yeah so I I will c I'll claim to be like a niece of Jane just yeah you're the you're the English niece.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I'm the English niece yeah she's got an Australian daughter and an English niece and apparently do you want to promote your Power of the Dog's very good.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's that sorry?
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah and apparently Power of the Dog is very good.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh it is very good I've seen it yeah I promote my aunt's work um sorry you said do I want to promote I was gonna say did is there anything else you want to promote that you have coming up because you get you started doing well follow me on everything.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Is it Diary for Maddie on everything?
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah yeah and uh if you can't find me they're just just I believe in you I believe that everyone can find me um I'll I'll also tag you in everything so like just follow Maddie from there.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah and I made it to the end of the recording without dying so yeah we've both survived um great well thank you so much for coming on Maddie well thank you so much for having me have a lovely evening that's the end of the podcast if you enjoyed it please like it makes it more and I'll see you next week for more movies