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Couple Heads to Mountain Cabin, Goes Missing. Human Torso Just Found. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A mom and dad set
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  Speaker 1: out for a mountain cabin and seemingly vanish into thin air.
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  Speaker 1: Where are bart at Chrystal Holderson Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds very uncommon for the mom and dad to
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  Speaker 1: leave to their cabin. They've gone there many many times
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  Speaker 1: in the mountains, but then to suddenly just drop off
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  Speaker 1: the face of the earth. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: We got picked up and they all went up there
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  Speaker 1: by like another couple picked up here, yeah, here at
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  Speaker 1: Mouse Okay, before I woke up, everything packed up them
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  Speaker 1: And do you don't know who they're who? Jeez? That's
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that has happened before where they just
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  Speaker 1: kind of head out before I leave or I wake up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm a heavy sleeper. I'm on a schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I look at it six to feed the dogs and
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  Speaker 1: they are out before six. The rush to get to
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  Speaker 1: the north. Okay, you are hearing their son, Chandler talking
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  Speaker 1: to three News. Now Adam's Duxter and this is what
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  Speaker 1: we know. The son they're in the home. Heavy sleeper
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  Speaker 1: gets up at six am. Mom and dad already gone.
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  Speaker 1: They had packed everything the night before to head off
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  Speaker 1: for a weekend at their mountain cabin, but then seemingly
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  Speaker 1: they disappear into thin air. Well, they're not magicians, so
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  Speaker 1: where are they? With me? An all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of it? California prosecutor, author of Red Flags
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon. You can finder at Wendy Patrick PhD dot
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  Speaker 1: com and most of today we doctor Wendy K. C B.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh San Diego Wendy Patrick with US. Doctor Jeff Gardeer,
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  Speaker 1: Board Certified Clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at Truro College.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at doctor Jeff Gardeer dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and start
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  Speaker 1: of a brand new hit podcast feature on iHeart the
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  Speaker 1: Pikedon Massacre. But first I want to go out to
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online dot com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, Nicole Jackie thinks I'm crazy, But this morning,
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  Speaker 1: this is even early for me. I got up at four, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but typically I'm up between five and six, and my
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  Speaker 1: children sleep through everything I do. I mean, I take
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  Speaker 1: great precautions not to wake them up, but they sleep
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  Speaker 1: straight through it. So this couple was getting up mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad Bart and Krista Halderson to go to their
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  Speaker 1: mountain cabin. Where is their home and where is their
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  Speaker 1: mountain cabin. So their mountain cabin is in White Lake,
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  Speaker 1: and that is about a forty five minute drive from
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  Speaker 1: their home. And apparently this was a common thing for them.
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  Speaker 1: They had the cabin there, they went out, They had
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  Speaker 1: made plans to go up and spend the Fourth of
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  Speaker 1: July holiday, and so this wasn't uncommon for them. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't uncommon for them to get up and pack away
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  Speaker 1: the car and leave early and head up there to
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  Speaker 1: explore and have a good time. But what you're saying
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  Speaker 1: is concerning me on mini many levels. I understand that
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  Speaker 1: they would go to their place at White Lake. It's
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  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. They live in Windsor, Wisconsin. Often they spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of weekends up there. But now that you're
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  Speaker 1: clarifying for me that it's only a forty five minute drive,
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  Speaker 1: how do you just drop off the map on a
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  Speaker 1: forty five minute drive. Of course it has happened. Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Hey, listen, it's my experience. People just don't
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  Speaker 1: simply vanish into thin air. You know, maybe one person does,
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  Speaker 1: but you're talking about two people that would simply vanish
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  Speaker 1: into thing there. I think that that's highly unlikely. Nan,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we hear about it all the time. And
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, a death investigator, brings up a really
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  Speaker 1: good point. He's a forensics expert. And if you look
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  Speaker 1: at history, and I learned a lot from studying method
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  Speaker 1: and assessment of homicide and suicide, one person disappearing, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that happens all the time. Two people disappearing, That does
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  Speaker 1: not happen all the time. Jack. You remember recently we
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  Speaker 1: covered the case of a husband and wife were rving
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  Speaker 1: and they were rving across the country. I think they
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  Speaker 1: were heading down to Florida at the tail end of
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  Speaker 1: their trip and they were supposed to be on a
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  Speaker 1: FaceTime with their grand she's like one year old, and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't make make it to the birthday party on
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  Speaker 1: a FaceTime and that's when everybody realized they vanished. So
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  Speaker 1: when you hear of a couple vanishing, and it brings
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  Speaker 1: to mind a case I handled well. I was part
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  Speaker 1: of it very early on. I watched and observed and monitored.
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  Speaker 1: The child did a little group work for it of
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  Speaker 1: a kindergarten teacher, maybe even in pre K and she
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  Speaker 1: taught music and movement. And her name is Julie Love.
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  Speaker 1: She went out for a jog and never came home.
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  Speaker 1: Her body was she had one glass eye. Nobody knew it,
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  Speaker 1: but her glass eye was found near a dumpster months
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  Speaker 1: and months and months later. So it does happen, even statistically,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, people do go out for a normal reason
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  Speaker 1: and they're never seen again. That's true, But we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a short span of time comparatively. If it takes
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes to cross the distance, and it was
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  Speaker 1: some sort of a natural, explainable like an accident you
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  Speaker 1: would have on the car, you would have gone both bodies.
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  Speaker 1: But to have this type of a disappearance in a
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  Speaker 1: well known area where there's obviously a thoroughfare, even if
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  Speaker 1: they were driving it early in the morning, to have
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  Speaker 1: that kind of a disappearance, that would indicate fell play. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there was a big thoroughfare. Nicole
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  Speaker 1: parton Nicole. Now, aren't you joining me from Tennessee? I
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  Speaker 1: am joining you from Florida. Nancy Okay, you're a hard
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  Speaker 1: one to pin down, aren't you. Tennessee is home, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm familiar with those windy mountain roads. So what I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying is a major thoroughfare, not every If you're going
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  Speaker 1: up to the lake cabin, that suggests to me it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of remote. It's off the beaten path. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that there was a major thoroughfare between wins
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin and White Lake. And I don't know that much
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  Speaker 1: about White Lake, Wisconsin. What can you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the cabin where they were? How long had they had it?
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  Speaker 1: Do they go up every weekend? They didn't travel up
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  Speaker 1: there every weekend, but they went quite often. Their neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: some of their friends had been up there with them
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  Speaker 1: before and spent some holidays in some weekends. And it
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  Speaker 1: is off the beaten path. I wouldn't say it's extreme
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  Speaker 1: camping out into the wilderness, but it's certainly out of town.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I've learned about White Lake.
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  Speaker 1: It is not referred to as a town. It's referred
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  Speaker 1: to as a village in Langlade County, Wisconsin, and the
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  Speaker 1: population at last census was three hundred and sixty three
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty three. That is remote in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: That stremote, and I grew up in a very rural area.
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  Speaker 1: So what was different about this trip this weekend other
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  Speaker 1: than it was the July fourth weekend? Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friends over at three news now, So my
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  Speaker 1: last message I got from them they were going to
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  Speaker 1: White Lake for the fourth of July. There's some festivities
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  Speaker 1: that go around there, you know, better drink prices at
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  Speaker 1: the bars, stuff like that. Yeah, White Lake, Wisconsin. And
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  Speaker 1: that their plan, or from to my knowledge, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to a lang Lane County to a cabin, their cabin
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  Speaker 1: along the way. They could have stopped many places that
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know all of them. But it's about three
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  Speaker 1: hours north of Madison or Deane County. Now, he said,
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  Speaker 1: three hours, and I'm wondering if well, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at it as the crow flies, it looks like forty
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  Speaker 1: five minutes, but going up and down windy mountain roads,
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  Speaker 1: it turns into three hours. Now he says, Also, there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of places to stop. I doubt they're
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  Speaker 1: stopping at a bar at six am. They're with another couple.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened and who's the other couple. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend Tony Gali Tobkow twenty seventies. Bart
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  Speaker 1: and Krista Halderson of Windsor had plans for the fourth
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  Speaker 1: Their plans are going up with their friends and do
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  Speaker 1: some minor pairs on our cabin. That cabin is some
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  Speaker 1: three hours away from Windsor on a lake in a
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  Speaker 1: small community in Langlade County. Did you literally see them
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  Speaker 1: pulling out of the driveway heading out? No. Their son
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  Speaker 1: Chandler Halderson, who asked to be off camera, says whoever
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  Speaker 1: his parents were traveling with from this neighborhood were to
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  Speaker 1: do the driving. He says he received a text from
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  Speaker 1: his mother. She got back to me on Sunday said
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  Speaker 1: they made it safely. That's the last he's heard from
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  Speaker 1: his parents. Time Stories with Nancy Grace Guys. A couple
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  Speaker 1: seemingly just disappears into thin air on the way of
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  Speaker 1: their lake cabin. We also are learning they were going
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  Speaker 1: to go and do repairs. What kind of repairs and
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  Speaker 1: why take a listen to the sun speaking to three
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  Speaker 1: News now. So that would have been the sac INDs
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  Speaker 1: right of July when they left, and that's the last
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  Speaker 1: you'd heard of them, and then was it yesterday that
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  Speaker 1: you called the Sheriff's office or someone with your family
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  Speaker 1: called the Sheriff's office just to show back on the
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  Speaker 1: actually got a text on them on Sunday telling me
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  Speaker 1: they were going to White Lake. Okay, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: when the text was sent because of reception issues that
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  Speaker 1: they would have and they usually turned their phone off
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  Speaker 1: because of pay for roaming. Yeah, they it could have
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  Speaker 1: been whenever they sent that message that they made it
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  Speaker 1: safefully and they're going to White Lake for the fourth Now.
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  Speaker 1: We're also learning from Adam and Duxter at three News
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  Speaker 1: now that there was a problem with the roaming on
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  Speaker 1: their cell phones. And we've all gone through that. When
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  Speaker 1: you go to and I just went through it with
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  Speaker 1: my children going to scout camp up in the mountains,
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  Speaker 1: it's very hard to call out. It happens. These two
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  Speaker 1: were going up into a remote area. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to Adam Duxter. Chandler says he assumed his parents had
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  Speaker 1: turned off their phones to avoid roaming charges, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't until after the holiday weekend ended that he got nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Is this weekend it was packed? I guess that packed.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the weather wasn't great for messaging tonight. Dane County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office says there are too many unanswered questions to
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  Speaker 1: say anything. Well, Langlade County Sheriff's Office wouldn't confirm they're
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  Speaker 1: helping in a search. Police, instead spending today interviewing neighbors
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  Speaker 1: like Brett Schuster himself the shocked. I mean, it's everything
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  Speaker 1: that seems. You know, it's odd and shocking that you know,
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  Speaker 1: expector and to space seeing something, especially that close to
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  Speaker 1: your house. I hope everything works out and it's just
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  Speaker 1: a misunderstanding with communication and comes pulling in the driveway
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  Speaker 1: any minute. And Chandler Holderson says for his parents to
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  Speaker 1: leave even with another person does happen from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: But he tells me another family member went to that
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  Speaker 1: cabin to check out cell service and was able to
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  Speaker 1: get through, So that tells me the seal service worked
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  Speaker 1: in that area. You know, I didn't realize, did Dodgor
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier they're still roaming charges on cell phones, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so funny you should say that. I was thinking, I
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  Speaker 1: think we found a way to get on WhatsApp and
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  Speaker 1: other sorts of services, and people really don't use roaming
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  Speaker 1: as much anymore, and if there is roaming, perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: charges are not as repressive as they once were. Are
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  Speaker 1: there still roaming charges? Wendy Jess got Nicole, I thought
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  Speaker 1: that they were over. You know, that really threw me
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  Speaker 1: for a loop. I can't remember the last time that
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  Speaker 1: I was hit with a roaming charge. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you, Nancy, I camp and do interesting things in
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  Speaker 1: remote areas, and you know, learning that this was a
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  Speaker 1: real remote area, one of the first things that struck
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  Speaker 1: me is they would know their neighbors, and they'd know
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  Speaker 1: the people that worked at the local grocery store and
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  Speaker 1: all the rest of it. So it's become even more suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just can't figure this out because they
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  Speaker 1: left with another couple. Nobody actually saw them leave, but
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  Speaker 1: they left that morning before six am when the sun
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  Speaker 1: gets up. But who's the other couple? I mean, let
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  Speaker 1: me go to you, Donna, Jeff Guardier. You and I've
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  Speaker 1: talked many, many times about routine evidence, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a bad title for it, but that's what it's called.
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  Speaker 1: It's evidence of routine. In other words, if I do
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  Speaker 1: not see my executive producer Jackie Howard. We've bye about
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  Speaker 1: an hour and a half before we go to air.
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  Speaker 1: Something is wrong, very wrong. That's her routine every day.
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  Speaker 1: I say, you want a cup of coffee? So she goes,
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  Speaker 1: no way, am I drinking your coffee? That every day? Now,
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  Speaker 1: My parents, doctor Jeff Gardier, would go out every Friday
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  Speaker 1: night with Sanders and Jeanette Johnson for years. Every Friday
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  Speaker 1: night they go to the same place, the Green Jacket
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  Speaker 1: in Macon, Georgia, every Friday night without deviation. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even remember them going to a different restaurant. And then
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  Speaker 1: they'd be home by about nine o'clock. So who were they?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew who they were with. Who are
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  Speaker 1: these people that nobody can identify that they left with
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  Speaker 1: for the weekend? And what makes it even stranger is
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  Speaker 1: that these are folks that supposedly live in there neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: So why isn't anyone in the neighborhood asking what happened
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  Speaker 1: to the other couple or if that couple did come back,
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  Speaker 1: why aren't they saying anything? So of course that makes
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  Speaker 1: things extremely strange. So when they patcheck, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make so called routine evidence evidence of routine. Now a
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  Speaker 1: good defensey training will aregue that means nothing. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's no playbook for how are you going to
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  Speaker 1: live your life? But that's b Yes, people are creatures
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  Speaker 1: of habit. We like a certain thing and we do
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  Speaker 1: it over and over. I mean, I don't know about
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  Speaker 1: you guys, but I said, at the same spot every
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  Speaker 1: night at the dinner table. Lucy's on my leaf and
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  Speaker 1: John David's I'm all right, and my husband David's in
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  Speaker 1: front of me. We just like those seats and we
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  Speaker 1: don't change. I think you've characterized dinner tables across the
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  Speaker 1: country because there's a reason we call ourselves creatures of habit,
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  Speaker 1: and the evidence code picks that up and allows us
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  Speaker 1: to introduce exactly that type of evidence. And there's no
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  Speaker 1: indication that these parents are any different than the rest
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  Speaker 1: of us, which is why it is so odd that
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  Speaker 1: this weekend just seems so out of character and out
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  Speaker 1: of their usual procedure and practice. So yes, I think
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  Speaker 1: that'll be just dynamite evidence one way or another to
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  Speaker 1: try to figure out how in the world did they
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  Speaker 1: happen to disappear this particular weekend. Well, even the neighbors
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  Speaker 1: know something is very very wrong. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Tony Galli k w KOW twenty seven neighbor Brett Schuster's
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  Speaker 1: reaction to the Holderson's disappearance. Wow wow, you know, my
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  Speaker 1: wife has pretty shook up too. I mean, they're very
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  Speaker 1: nice couple, very nice family. Detectives now go door to
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  Speaker 1: door here well sheriff's personnel here in Dane County are
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  Speaker 1: checking for any and all information. The missing couple's son
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  Speaker 1: says law enforcement in Langlade County has checked on the
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  Speaker 1: family's cabin there, and he says that visit only adds
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  Speaker 1: to the mystery. The sheriff said it looked like there
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  Speaker 1: wasn't anyone home. Family and friends hope the Halderson's unexpected
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  Speaker 1: extended time away is just that and not assigned. They're
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  Speaker 1: in trouble, away, but not assigned. They're in trouble. You know,
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  Speaker 1: just got morgan. With the advent very common use of
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  Speaker 1: cell phones, It's very hard for me to take in
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  Speaker 1: that this couple, this married couple with a grown son
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  Speaker 1: living at home, just disappear and nobody can find them.
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  Speaker 1: But the advent of cell phone usage, it just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even make sense to me. No, it doesn't to me either, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, like I said earlier, one person, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll buy into it. You've got two people that are missing,
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  Speaker 1: and also where's their car, you know, or where's this
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  Speaker 1: couple's car. I'm sure that probably knowing how thoroughed that
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  Speaker 1: I do personally how thoroughed. The state police are in Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 1: they would have driven both of these corridors. And there
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  Speaker 1: are actually two corridors to get up there. One is
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  Speaker 1: a more real route that goes through Wisconsin's absolutely beautiful
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  Speaker 1: going through this area, through Oshkosh and all these areas.
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  Speaker 1: That route takes a little bit longer, and you're on
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of Interstate. The other route takes Interstate
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  Speaker 1: almost all the way to this location. So, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: going on a vacation, you're going to visit your cabin
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  Speaker 1: when you want to get out into the bucolic beauty
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  Speaker 1: of the countryside up there. Maybe they did that, but
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  Speaker 1: along the way you would see some evidence that the
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  Speaker 1: car is missing, because I think that wherever they are,
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle would be there too. So is there evidence
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  Speaker 1: that a vehicle is run off the road? Well, remember,
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  Speaker 1: didn't didn't they say they were going up with the
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  Speaker 1: other couple. Yeah, but you know there has to be
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  Speaker 1: some missing Well well, yeah, but we don't know who
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  Speaker 1: this other couple is. So you're are we going to
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  Speaker 1: say that, you know, these two folks that are missing
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  Speaker 1: or just placed out on the side of the road,
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  Speaker 1: they're just out there in the wilderness, just kind of
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  Speaker 1: walking along and I can't figure out how to get back.
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  Speaker 1: It leads me to believe that something very nefarious as
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  Speaker 1: this go ahead and jump in. I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what detectives need to do first in a case
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  Speaker 1: like that. Was that you, Nicola, Wendy? Now that was me?
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  Speaker 1: You know, don't we know our parents friends, at least
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  Speaker 1: friends that are close enough to spend the weekend with,
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  Speaker 1: like Jeanette and Sanders. Yeah, I mean, just to have
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  Speaker 1: a mystery couple on the scene that happens to have
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  Speaker 1: been driving that nobody saw, that left before dawn with
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  Speaker 1: no car that has been recovered. I mean, now we've
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  Speaker 1: got four people presumably missing and no vehicle. It's just
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  Speaker 1: there's more and more indications that it wasn't a natural accident,
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  Speaker 1: that it wasn't fact self. I guess just go ahead Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: by the time you get to the point in life
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  Speaker 1: where they are in middle age, you've got a set
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  Speaker 1: group of friends. It's not like you're I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Well, hey, listen, you've had time
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: enough to vet everybody that you want, and your circle's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: getting smaller and smaller. These are the people I want
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to spend time with, all right, It's not like you're
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: just going out and finding random strangers. These are the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: people I feel comfortable with. These are the people that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I want to, you know, sit around and if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: want to be chopped in a car for three hours, yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that I would choose to my own volition. You're not
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna this isn't going to be a randomized of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: then I agree. I think what you're saying. Let me
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: decipher that stream of consciousness is that to be trapped
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in a car with another couple for three hours, it's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: got to be somebody you know very well and that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you choose to be with, or you could just take
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: your own car. And therefore we should know who their
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: inner circle is. So let's take a recap of what
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: do we know. Take a listen to our friends at
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: News three Hour Lives with his parents in the village
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of Windsor and says another unknown couple picked them up
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: early Friday morning before he was a week and tonight
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: we're left to wonder what happened to Barton, Christa Halder said.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Chris Schuster says, his usually quiet street, he's busier than
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: ever since last night. I'll pull it in. There is
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of shaws out there that two hours later,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: there's three four detectives there. As we saw the detectives
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: under the house. That's where we do there's something going
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: on inside Bart's house. Shortly after, the Dean County Sheriff's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Office to shared this photo of bart and Christa Halder.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Sent Police say the couple had planned to go to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: their cabin in Langlade County. Their son, Chandler, asked not
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to be shown on camera, but he told us he
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: didn't see his parents sleeve and added they didn't drive themselves,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: or they were picked up by their friends who I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: never got the name of, and I assumed it was
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: someone I was aware of the close neighbors of theirs
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: up the street, or they're best friends down on the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: east side, so that's what I assumed. I never really
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: asked any further crime stories. With Nancy Grace Gods. We
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of a couple well known
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in their community that simply drive a hop skipping to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: jump away to their mountain cabin and are never seen
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: again Bart and Krista Holderson and then comes a break
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in the case. Take a listen to the Dane County
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Calvin Barrett. The Dane County Sheriff's office immediately began
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the investigation and got in contact with the land Lake
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office to make contact with their cabin in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: White Lake, Wisconsin. The deputies reported that there was no
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: signs of immediate activity at that location. An investigation progressed
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and detectives interview friends, family, and neighbors of the missing couple,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: which resulted in detectives finding unknown or unidentifiable remaining at
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a search. Warm was attained of the property and deputies
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: are continuing to look area before additional habits requires to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this investigation. Okay, straight out to you, Nicole Parton Crime
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, Where were the remains of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this lovely couple found? So, there was a neighbor who
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: had reported some suspicion of some property really remote area
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in the same county as the home, not very far,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: but yet remote, out of town, out of sight. And
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it's when the authorities went to that property that they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: found a bloody tark that they located human remains, and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: those human remains had been really really horrible sight, chopped up, dismembered,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and partial remains, not an entire body was found. Doctor
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier, a board certified psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Truro College. Doctor Gardier, you and I've discussed this before.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: There's the thing as a murder, of course, but it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a whole another scenario to dismember a human body, the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: mindset required for that. And you've got to my understanding,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: what are both of the bodies have been found. What
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking here is right, not just a murder, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: rage and depravity. And therefore this is a situation that
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: now speaks to who is guilty of this? And if
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we suspect you know, we work within that orbit. Right now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: there is conflicting evidence. We are learning that one body,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a male, has been found that we believe it is
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: bart A Halderson. Now his wife Krista, according to prosecutors,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is still missing. Now, that is a very unusual scenario.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But to doctor Jeff Gardier, regarding the dismemberment of a body,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that's a whole nother mindset. Absolutely, what we're looking at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: is not just possibly intent, but depravity and rage. You know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to have rage, Wendy Patrick, it could mean either you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: know the person very well and you have rage toward them,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: or it could be misguided rage. Let me just cite
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: on the Long Island Jogger. Remember the perp in that case,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the victim Karina Pa Toronto. The perp in that case
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had never met her before, but he violently assaulted her
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and beat her, knocking out her teeth, strangled her. It
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was misguided rage on her. So while we think this
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: was a rage killing in a rage dismemberment, I don't
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: know how much that really helps us in identifying the killer. Yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it's true, you know you do have that just raw emotion.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But you know, one other thing about dismemberment is it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: takes time. This isn't a you know, a bullet in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the head that can kill instantly. Dismemberment is a process.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And if you combine that with rage you're really looking
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: at a strategy because you have to have the right tools,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and you have to think it through and you have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to decide how you're going to do it and where
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and when. So this actually seems more like something that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: involves more planning in addition to, as you mentioned, the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: requisite emotion regardless of the sort. Take a Listen to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you more from the Dane County Sheriff, Calvin Barrett. When
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and where were these remains found that you're talking about?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They were found approximately eighth Do you aware rural Wisconsin,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: rural d County? What community sheriff is in a rural
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: area of d County. You can't say more specifically than
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they now, Again, this is an ongoing investigation or we
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt what we have going on right now.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: We want to ensure that the investigation is done thoroughly
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and it's completed to the best of our builds. Okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the more we ask, the less we're hearing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: So Nicole parton, where is this location? You said it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was near the home. Are you talking about the residence
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: or the lake house near the residence, So in the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: same leney as the residence. So they never made it
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: anywhere close to the lake house, correct, right, right, that's right, okay,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in my mind, that really changes things. Prime Stories with
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us, we
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: were talking about the very unusual disappearance of a lovely
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: couple by all accounts, Bart and Krista Holderson, who leave
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: early in the morning. They're all packed the night before
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to head out to their lake cabin, and they never
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: make it. Days pass as Sun reports them missing. Now
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: we're understanding that human remains have been found, but there's more.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to This is obvious worry tonight here
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in Windsor over the possibility the human remains found Thursday
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: are connected to the missing couple of Bart Halderson and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Krista Halderson. Their son, Chandler, was arrested Thursday for allegedly
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: providing false information to investigators. Before his arrest, I was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: out here with Chandler Halderson and spoke to him about
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: his parents disappearance. They're probably at a casino, their phones off,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: no reception somewhere. Maybe they're they're on a boat having
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: some fun with their friends. Members of but Deane County
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Calvin Barrett says there's no indication the missing couple
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: went north to their Langlade County lakeside cabin as Chandler
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Holderson claimed. As sheriff's personnel searched near the Holderson home.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: The sheriff says they are also searching separately where the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: human remains were found in rural Dane County. We interviewed friends, family,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and neighbors and were able to get that information in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that location based off of the information provided by those
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: who we interviewed throughout the investigation. Let me let this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sink in. You were just listening to our friends at
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: w KOW twenty seven news. That was Tony Galley speaking.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Just pause, just for a moment. You know, I don't
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: know about the rest of you. To you, Wendy Patrick,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Guardier, Jos got Morgan and Cole Parton, and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: our rush to solve a case, to report a case,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to figure out a case, to go through this scene
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: for forensically jo Scott the minute details. Let me let
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this sink in. Authority searched the area and found remains
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: later identified as a human torso, so at the very
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: beginning they couldn't even identify what they had found, they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. That's how much the husband,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Bart Holderson had been butchered. It was a human torso,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: no legs, no arms, no neck, no head, just the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: torso so degraded and so butchered that when it was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: first found, they didn't even know what they had found.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: They knew they found something, but they didn't even know
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what later identified as a human torso. Okay, Joe Scott,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: do your work. You know, Nancy, the thing about dismemberment,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: as Wendy had mentioned, it does require tools, but you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: know what else it requires. It requires privacy, It requires
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: access to the tools, and it requires seclusion. The beauty
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of cases where you have an individual that has butchered
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: somebody is that there is going to be a huge,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: i mean a troph of physical evidence in this case.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have blood evidence, You're gonna have tool mark evidence,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: You're going to actually have evidence in this particular case
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: because from what I'm hearing, they're actually saying that the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: dad has been shot, that there is an evidence that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: he had sustained a gunshot one, so that's going to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: be an additional tie back. Then you've got transportative evidence,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: which if let's just think about this just for a second.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You decide that you're going to butcher somebody, how are
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you going to get them from their home to the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: location where the remains, these mutilated remains are actually found.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: That means there has to be some conveyance. They're not
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: saying that it's like in the backyard. It's some distance.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It's near the home, but it's some distance. Somebody just
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: didn't put them on the back. They had to physically
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: transport them there. So you're talking about a tremendous amount
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: of blood evidence it's going to be left behind in
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the conveyance that they use. Additionally, so you've got the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: primary crime scene where they were killed, the secondary crime
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: scene where they were butchered, the tertiary right crime scene,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the transport to hide the remains unless they were unless
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the dad was butchered out there in the middle of nowhere. Yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and then saying crime scene would be the disposal. Yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you have to think about, you know, what kind of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: what kind of items were you used? I heard a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: tarp had been used, but why is the body so mutilated?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: This gives me an indication, at least if I were
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to see the remains, which obviously I haven't, But there
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was confusion, maybe there was an inability to understand the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: technical ramifications of dismembering a body, which by the way,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is very very difficult to do if you don't have
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the appropriate tools like were having the more like scalpels
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and bone saws and all these sorts of things. At best,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you're using rudimentary hardware stuff you can buy at a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: local hardware store. It makes it very very difficult. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: how are you going to cover all that up? There's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: so many you know, people think that they're going to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: get away with crimes if they try to, you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: pull the body apart and take it apart. What folks
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: don't realize you're creating more evidence. You're actually creating more evidence.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: You're right, The more you try to conceal, the more
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: evidence you're creating. But right now the Sun is only
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: suspected of lying. Take a listen to our cut eighteen.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This is the Deputy District Attorney William Brown. Listen. So
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: back on July seventh, mister Halderson made contact with the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Dane County Sheriff's Department, reporting that his parents were missing.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: In that contact, mister Halderson made a great deal of
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: statements indicating where he thought his parents were, sending police
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: essentially in a wild goose chase throughout the state of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin looking for them with an unidentified couple. Essentially told
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the police a web of lies regarding things they were packing,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: items they were taking, were not taking, even indicating that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: there were messages between him and his parents while they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: were gone. That all he alleged occurred on the second
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of July. Eventually, mister Halderson, obviously in the seventh then
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: reports his parents missing after they've been gone for five
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: days at that point and an investigation is starting. Well
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: there's more. When we're talking about a wild goose chase,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it reminds me. I don't know if you remember these facts,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: but in Top mom Casey Anthony, when everyone was frantically
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: looking for her little two year old girl, Kelly, she
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: put up one story after the next, after the next.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: She's at the beach, she's here, she's there. Oh, she's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: with her nanny, and the nanny will bring her home.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: There was a full month of wild goose chase where
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the grandmother, Cindy Anthony, trying to find Kelly. Here we're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: seeing a similar wild goose chase led by the victim's son.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut nineteen again, this is
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the deputy district attorney what led authorities to this very
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: remote area where the body was found. Listen. Working on
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that investigation, police made contact of a great deal of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: people who had contacts with mister Holderson in that time
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: period between the seconds of July, which is the last
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: known time anyone has seen mister Holderson's parents in the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: day that they were making that contact. A witness that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: personally knows mister Halderson has seen him on many occasions,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: who lives in rural Dane County, reported seeing mister Halderson's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: vehicle with him in it, parked in a kind of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: an odd location near a woodline on their rural property.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: She did report that to police when they were speaking
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to her. That reported date that mister Halderson was at
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: her property was on July fifth, so three days after
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: his parents reportedly I'd left for his cabinet. And not
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: only was he in a very odd location, according to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a witness, he was observed driving his vehicle in reverse
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: with the rear hatch open in a field near some
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: woods repeat. The son, the grown son, the twenty three
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: year old son that lived at home Chandler Halderson lived
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: with his parents, was observed in his car driving in
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: reverse with the rear hatch open. I think, Joe Scott Morgan,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that we've got a pretty good idea about the transport
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of the bodies or the body. Yeah. Yeah, I think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that we do. And the fact that you're mentioning a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: vehicle with a rear hatch that gives us an indication
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: if the police are following this case up. I guarantee
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you this his car is somewhere in a police evidence
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: garage and they're going over this thing with a fine
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: tooth comb, and they will. They can take as much
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: time as they want to right now, okay, and they
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: can go over everything. They're going to be looking for
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: blood evidence. They'll they'll probably be looking for bone evidence,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: maybe from bone dust that was created, and not to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: mention anything else that's left behind tools. There's just things
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that people forget in these frenzied moments, particularly somebody that's
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: not used to being around a lot of blood and gore,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: particularly when it involves let's say, for instance, you're on parents'
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: body speaking of your own parents. The mother officially is
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: still a missing person. And believe it or not, this son,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this twenty three year old son, Chandler Halderson, is only
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: charged with lyne to police. What about the dismembered body
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and the torso we just found? What about your car
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: driving in reverse with a hatch open out in the woods.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And if you could look at this guy, Dotor, Jeff
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: guard Dear, you're the psychologist, you're the professor at turo
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to look at this guy, Halo's like he should have
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: been working with me in the back of the library
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: when I worked in the back processing books at Mersha University.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: This looks like like a bookworm. You know. There's an
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: old saying the one who will only break one plate
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is the one who will break a thousand and psychologically.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I've actually never heard that. Well, okay, and it's a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: good one because it does tell us sometimes the people
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: who are the most quiet are the ones who may,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in many ways, sit on a lot of emotions, sit
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: on a lot of anger, and it just builds up
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: over time. Nancy, I'm interested into will they look into
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: where they're ever? And he calls to the police domestic
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: violence in the home. Any issues with this young man
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: as far as some mental health issues or outbursts towards
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the parents. Oh, here you go. It never ends with you,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: does it, Gardier. Somebody is always mentally ill. How about
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: just he's the devil and he killed his parents. The
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: mother is not missing. The mother's dead. That's what I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: was saying. I don't care what they're saying. She's dead
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and he killed her. Okay, if you know or even
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: think you know anything about Halderson's disappearance and death, please
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: dial six zero eight two eight four sixty nine hundred
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: six zero eight two eight four sixty nine hundred. Goodbye, friend,