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The Late Debate | 21 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Great to
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  Speaker 1: have your company on The Late Debate. I'm James McPherson
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  Speaker 1: with Caleb Bond and Danica DiGiorgio. And I've got to say,
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  Speaker 1: it's been nice doing the program with both of you
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  Speaker 1: after so many weeks where we were apart.
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  Speaker 2: You were in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: I was in Europe.
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  Speaker 4: And prior to that, you were off doing other shows and...
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  Speaker 4: It's been about three months, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think, or months.
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  Speaker 2: Nine weeks, I think, in total.
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  Speaker 3: Goodness me.
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  Speaker 2: Since we sat in these chairs together.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: It feels very strange, you know. It's like I'm a
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  Speaker 2: bit out of practice. But I'm getting back into the
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  Speaker 2: swing of it this week.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it won't take you that long, will it, Caleb?
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: The insults will be coming thick and fast.
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  Speaker 2: Once we get swinging, away we go.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great comeback, Danica.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say something else, but I was like, no, otherwise.
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  Speaker 7: The show's going to start going downhill very, very quickly.
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  Speaker 6: Let's avoid that. Shall we just get into it?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, please.
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  Speaker 6: On your say-so, Danica, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: I say bang.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The husband of Victorian MP Helen Haynes delivers a moving
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  Speaker 1: tribute to his wife as she battles horrific injuries after
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  Speaker 1: Monday's alleged car ramming. It was confirmed today that both
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  Speaker 1: her legs were have been amputated. The New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: Parliament unveils a new breastfeeding policy, but there's just one
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  Speaker 1: small problem. The words mother and female are nowhere to
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  Speaker 1: be found. Instead, we now have lactating parents. And Victorian
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  Speaker 1: Premier Ben Carroll fills up his car and drives off
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  Speaker 1: without paying. He says he simply forgot. If only the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us could forget what it costs to fill
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  Speaker 1: a tank. We'll get to all of that shortly, but first,
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  Speaker 1: a national anthem controversy has erupted at the Rugby League
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  Speaker 1: World Cup. with Australian players being criticised for refusing to
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  Speaker 1: sing Advance Australia Fair. Several kangaroos and jilaroos have stood
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  Speaker 1: conspicuously silent during the anthem, and it was particularly noticeable
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  Speaker 1: given that opposition players, especially those from the Pacific nations
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  Speaker 1: like Fiji, Tonga, well, they belted out their anthems with
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  Speaker 1: the same enthusiasm they bring to slamming opponents into the turf.
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  Speaker 1: Commentators and former players say.
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  Speaker 6: It's not good enough.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not prepared to sing for Australia, well, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be representing Australia. But current international Cameron Munster,
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  Speaker 1: he's come to the defence of his tuneless teammates.
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  Speaker 8: We talk about culture and we talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 8: nations and stuff, but, you know, we're very proud to
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  Speaker 8: wear the green and gold and it's something that, you know,
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  Speaker 8: we pride ourselves on and we've got, obviously, a lot of,
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  Speaker 8: you know, cultures around the game and big cultures like Samoa, Tonga, Kiwis, PNG, Lebanon, but...
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  Speaker 8: We probably don't get spoken about enough, the Aussies, when
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  Speaker 8: it comes to culture. We're very proud of our green
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  Speaker 8: and gold and we're really excited to wear it tonight.
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  Speaker 6: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: To sing or not to sing, that is the World
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  Speaker 1: Cup's most vexing question. Is the National Anthem an optional
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  Speaker 1: pre-match warm-up, sort of like stretching? Or does pulling on
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  Speaker 1: the green and gold come with an expectation of actually
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  Speaker 1: getting behind the country you're representing? Is it OK for
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  Speaker 1: rugby league players to sidestep the anthem?
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  Speaker 6: Or should they at least try?
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  Speaker 1: And if 10 out of 19 players refuse to sing
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  Speaker 1: the anthem, Caleb, are they the dummy half?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely should be singing the national anthem. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: to represent your country in any sport is a great privilege.
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  Speaker 2: And you are there as the best of what we
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  Speaker 2: have in that particular sport. And so you should be
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  Speaker 2: singing the national anthem. Now, look, you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: them may have, I don't know, some issue with the
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  Speaker 2: national anthem and like so many people we see in
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  Speaker 2: sport who like to complain about the country that they
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  Speaker 2: represent all the time and, you know, stolen land and
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  Speaker 2: all this. Who knows why they're not singing? But they
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  Speaker 2: ought to be doing it. And particularly as you point out, James,
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  Speaker 2: you look at other countries and they are so glad
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  Speaker 2: to be there representing their nation because they're representing the
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  Speaker 2: people of their nation. And you have symbols of that nation.
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  Speaker 2: You have a flag. And obviously for us, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the green and gold in our uniform, which is synonymous
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  Speaker 2: with Australia. And you have the national anthem. And I
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  Speaker 2: think there's something really special about singing the national anthem.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're not prepared to do it, at the
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  Speaker 2: very least, mouth the words on camera. then you ought
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  Speaker 2: not represent the country. It really is not a hard ask,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: How lucky they are to be selected to wear the
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  Speaker 4: green and gold. How lucky they are to be selected
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  Speaker 4: to represent this country. It is an honour that so
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  Speaker 4: many athletes would love and look towards, to aspire to.
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  Speaker 3: Throughout their careers.
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  Speaker 4: The least they could do is stand up there and
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  Speaker 4: sing this national anthem loud and proud. I was taught
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  Speaker 4: from when I was in primary school that when the
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  Speaker 4: national anthem is played, you one, must stand, and two,
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  Speaker 4: you must sing it. It is an honour to this
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  Speaker 4: country to do so. So I'm not sure what on
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  Speaker 4: earth has gone on in the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 4: and all I can put it down to is this
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  Speaker 4: left's erasure of history. They want to tear back our history.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're not singing the national anthem, to me,
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  Speaker 4: I ask two questions. One, are you embarrassed of the
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  Speaker 4: national anthem? Or two, do you not know the lyrics?
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  Speaker 4: Both of which I think are incredibly problematic.
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  Speaker 1: I got to admit, when I read this story this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I had a little bit of sympathy for those who
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  Speaker 1: did not sing for two reasons. Firstly, I could understand
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  Speaker 1: why players might be really nervous and really sort of
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  Speaker 1: locked in and focused before a game. In the AFL,
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  Speaker 1: it's quite common for players not to sing the national anthem.
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  Speaker 1: They just stare straight ahead and you get the sense
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  Speaker 1: they're full of nerves.
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  Speaker 6: It's a massive moment for them.
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  Speaker 1: And they're there for the anthem, but their mind is
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  Speaker 1: well and truly on what happens when the whistle is blown.
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  Speaker 1: I could kind of understand that. And the other point
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  Speaker 1: I would raise is that, especially for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: blokes who, you know, other than karaoke, where do you
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  Speaker 1: sing in public these days? Maybe if you just can't sing,
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  Speaker 1: you'd just rather just keep quiet.
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  Speaker 9: Except.
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  Speaker 1: Did I remember at the end of a game when
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  Speaker 1: they're all in the rooms and they're celebrating a win?
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  Speaker 2: Team song.
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  Speaker 1: They're all singing the team song. So that argument didn't
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  Speaker 1: really count. So then I looked at the players specifically
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  Speaker 1: who did not sing in the most recent game.
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  Speaker 6: There were three. Two were Indigenous.
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  Speaker 1: One was a Tongan-born player. But one of the Indigenous guys,
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  Speaker 1: Latrell Mitchell.
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  Speaker 2: Latrell.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, Latrell Mitchell.
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  Speaker 1: He has a history of making derogatory comments about the
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  Speaker 1: national anthem. He previously said he would not sing it
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  Speaker 1: because it referred to Australia being young and free. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Indigenous culture is 60,000 years or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: so he had a problem with that.
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  Speaker 2: We fixed that bit because now it's one and free.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, but he still doesn't sing it. In 2023, he
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  Speaker 1: said we're supposed to sing one.
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  Speaker 6: He said one in, all in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, make a song that includes Indigenous people, maybe change
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  Speaker 1: the date or, I don't know, give us a voice.
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  Speaker 1: That was after the referendum. There was one game where
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  Speaker 1: they sang the anthem in an Indigenous language and he
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  Speaker 1: posted on Instagram that just because you change the language,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't change the meaning.
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  Speaker 3: Never satisfy the left. Never satisfy.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got a history of pushing back against the anthem.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the other two guys, but I
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  Speaker 1: would guess that in his case it wasn't... the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he's got a bad singing voice or he was focused.
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  Speaker 6: It was a political protest.
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  Speaker 4: But, James, it doesn't matter if you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: sing it loudly.
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  Speaker 3: Mouth the words. Be present in that moment.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I understand that they are focused on the game,
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  Speaker 4: but you're representing this country on.
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  Speaker 3: The world stage.
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  Speaker 4: Do your best to represent us not only in sport,
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  Speaker 4: not only in your athleticism, but also to say, I'm
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  Speaker 4: really proud of this country and who I represent.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think that the left are never satisfied.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned that player. So they change it
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  Speaker 3: to be an Indigenous player.
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  Speaker 4: Why they did that in the first place bothers me because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we have one national anthem, we all stand
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  Speaker 4: under one national flag, and he still wasn't satisfied.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you go back a few years ago and they
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  Speaker 1: did the Indigenous All-Stars game and none of them sang
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  Speaker 1: the national anthem.
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  Speaker 6: They all refused. But then they did an.
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous thing, almost like a haka, like an Aboriginal version
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  Speaker 1: of the haka, and, boy, they were super enthusiastic about that.
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  Speaker 2: So the thing with Aussie rules, right, I mean, You're
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  Speaker 2: playing a domestic match. It's rather different to playing an
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  Speaker 2: international match.
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  Speaker 6: Good point.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, you could potentially make the argument, well,
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  Speaker 2: they're more focused on the game. The singing of the
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  Speaker 2: national anthem perhaps doesn't have as much significance at, say,
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  Speaker 2: the AFL grand final as it does in a rugby
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  Speaker 2: league World Cup match because everyone there is Australian, right?
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  Speaker 2: But when you are there representing your country against another country,
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  Speaker 2: I think it is incumbent upon you to sing the
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  Speaker 2: national anthem. And it doesn't really matter what the national
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  Speaker 2: anthem is. I mean, you know, it could be advanced.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, try the second verse of them, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Beneath our radiant southern cross. I bet none of them
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  Speaker 2: know it. But it doesn't matter what the song is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be a slim, dusty tune. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. If it's the national anthem, it's the national anthem.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, I love when the ashes is
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  Speaker 2: on because I can sing both national anthems. Advance Australia
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  Speaker 2: Fair and God Save the King. And if you ever.
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  Speaker 6: What a genius.
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  Speaker 2: If you've ever seen me... I reckon God Save the
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  Speaker 2: King should still be our national anthem, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: But if you've ever seen me at a test match,
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  Speaker 2: you will see me belting out the national anthem. And
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  Speaker 2: I know my voice isn't that good, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: give a stuff because it's the national anthem and I'm
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  Speaker 2: there to support my country and you will see me
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  Speaker 2: singing the national anthem no matter how bad it sounds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my head around yourself. that
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  Speaker 1: perhaps they could sing a Slim Dusty song. Could you
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  Speaker 1: imagine all these athletes right before the game singing I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather have a beer with Duncan?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying it doesn't matter what the song is.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the national anthem is, it's the national anthem.
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  Speaker 6: Let me put this to you.
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  Speaker 2: So you just sing the one that exists at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that because the national anthem has become
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  Speaker 1: so politicised Now, let's imagine you've got a terrible voice.
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  Speaker 1: I would rather not sing or you're really focused. You
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  Speaker 1: really do need to sing because otherwise you're probably going
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  Speaker 1: to be taken as making a political statement.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 6: So now it behoves everybody. You sing the song.
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  Speaker 3: Mouth it.
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  Speaker 6: Whether you think it's important or not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that hard to mouth.
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  Speaker 4: We're not asking you to belt it out in Caleb Tone.
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  Speaker 4: We are just saying mouth the words.
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  Speaker 6: Please don't belt it out in Caleb Tone.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do it in Caleb Tone.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I wouldn't mind saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Can we get Danica Tone? Do you want to sing
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  Speaker 2: the national anthem for us?
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  Speaker 3: No, thank you. Not now.
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  Speaker 2: Australians all let us rejoice.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: For we are one and free. Speaking of free, that's
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  Speaker 2: what Ben Carroll.
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  Speaker 6: Thank God. I thought you were going to do the
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  Speaker 6: whole song.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Hang on, you forgot to stand up, though.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to stand up. I can't stand up because
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  Speaker 2: then it'll bugger up the camera angle.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so you don't really love Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, all right, all right. You're not patriotic at all.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, anyway, speaking of free, that's what Ben Carroll thinks
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  Speaker 2: petrol is, seemingly, the... Premier Victoria has driven off on
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  Speaker 2: Monday evening, we have discovered today, after filling up his car.
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  Speaker 2: Have a listen to this.
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  Speaker 6: I have paid.
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  Speaker 10: It shows that politicians are human beings and even premiers
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  Speaker 10: make mistakes. Monday was a tough day for a lot
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  Speaker 10: of reasons and I got home and I had a
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  Speaker 10: busy night on the phone and.
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  Speaker 5: My wife and I had.
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  Speaker 10: A discussion who was going to return Maddy's friend's pencil case.
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  Speaker 6: I said, I'll do it and I'll get petrol.
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  Speaker 1: And then I found out the following day I didn't.
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  Speaker 6: Pay for the petrol.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's gone and filled up the car and
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  Speaker 2: he has driven off. You know, oh look, we're all human.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never gone and filled up the
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  Speaker 2: car and forgotten to pay for it. But anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: assume I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I
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  Speaker 2: don't assume that he meant to steal petrol. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 2: just a very forgetful man. But he drove off. It
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  Speaker 2: was then passed along to the police. The police then
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  Speaker 2: contacted his office. He then went back to the service
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  Speaker 2: station and paid for it.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: But the only problem is that his predecessor, Jacinta Allen,
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  Speaker 2: just earlier this year, did not take too kindly to
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  Speaker 2: people who drove off and didn't pay for their petrol.
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  Speaker 11: We are seeing a rise in that incidence of drive-offs
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  Speaker 11: at service stations and it is an illegal practice.
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  Speaker 3: It needs to be prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: Prosecute the Premier. That's where we are now. How do
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  Speaker 2: you do it? How do you drive off and forget
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  Speaker 2: to pay?
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  Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't understand it either.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into that, could you imagine being
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  Speaker 1: the cop who's got to ring the Premier's office to say.
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  Speaker 2: The Premier hasn't paid his petrol bill.
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  Speaker 6: We need to speak to the Premier about a matter.
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  Speaker 1: I have almost driven off without paying for my petrol,
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  Speaker 1: but have you ever gone to a restaurant, eaten a
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  Speaker 1: meal and then walked off without paying?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon I've done that two or three times.
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  Speaker 2: James!
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  Speaker 3: But how do you forget?
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  Speaker 6: Well, did I really forget?
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  Speaker 1: No, you're just talking with people and you're laughing and you.
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  Speaker 6: Get up and you walk off and then you think.
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  Speaker 2: Did you go back and pay the bill?
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  Speaker 3: Did you go back? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I got like a block down the road.
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  Speaker 1: The worst example, I was a block down the road
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  Speaker 1: and then remembered.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't understand how you can forget. If you've
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  Speaker 4: sat there and had your big meal and all of
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  Speaker 4: your alcohol and you've just gone, cheerio, I'm out, I
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  Speaker 4: don't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: And what about petrol? So what's your story?
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  Speaker 1: My worst one with petrol was I filled my car
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  Speaker 1: up with petrol and then realised I had no way
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  Speaker 1: to pay for it. So then I had to plead
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  Speaker 1: with the guy to, could you please let me go home,
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  Speaker 1: grab my wallet, I promise you I'll come back.
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  Speaker 3: And so what did he say?
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  Speaker 6: I've got a very trustworthy face.
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  Speaker 2: Lucky you.
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  Speaker 3: What the heck?
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  Speaker 2: Is that actually what he said? What on earth?
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  Speaker 1: No, he didn't say that. But I must have because
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  Speaker 1: he let me do it. And I did do it.
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  Speaker 2: Good on him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, could.
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  Speaker 4: You in that circumstance, because you wouldn't have had your
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: driver's licence on you because.
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  Speaker 3: I would have said, would you hand over your driver's licence?
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  Speaker 3: Here are my details, here's my address.
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  Speaker 6: The only thing I had was a full tank of fuel.
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  Speaker 2: And a car.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't understand. Okay, so Ben Carroll says, oh, he,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: OK, you can excuse a person for being busy and
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  Speaker 4: your mind is elsewhere, but physically the act of inserting
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  Speaker 4: the fuel tank into the nozzle.
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  Speaker 2: Inserting the fuel tank.
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  Speaker 12: The nozzle, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: He's taken the tank out, put the tank back in.
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  Speaker 2: He's a busy man, the Premier.
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  Speaker 6: And you're having a go at me.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly I have no idea about cars.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know how to fill up a car. The nozzle,
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  Speaker 2: the nozzle, right?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand how you can then not put the.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Nozzle back and then the physical.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Act walking into the shop. How do you not do that?
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: How do you go, actually I'm going to get back
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: into my car?
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: It's like second nature, isn't it? Like you put the
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: nozzle back in the bowser And then you just sort
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: of automatically walk in to pay for it.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: That's the bit I don't get.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe he looked at the price and was just completely stunned.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: But I have to say that the libs have jumped
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: straight on it. And this is actually quite clever. They've
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: today started buying advertising space. You know, sometimes you go
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: to the servo and above the bowser they've got an
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: advertising screen. And they've taken out these ads that you
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: can see there. And it's too far away for me
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: to actually read it now. But it's about... hey, Ben,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: don't forget to pay, and then it goes on about
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: the cost of petrol and how people in Victoria are
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: paying through the nose for this government, which is actually
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: quite clever. I have to hand it to them for that.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: That's really good. The Libs have actually run... And to
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: their credit, the Libs today and Jess Wilson just sort
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of batted it away... Of course... and said, you know, ah, well,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you know, it was an honest mistake. They didn't make
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: hay while the sun was shining. But their campaign has
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: actually been really good... And this is another example. That's
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the sort of stuff that you'd expect to see One
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Nation doing at a federal level.
• 16:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: But Victoria, the Libs are doing that kind of stuff.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: If only they could perhaps pass these messages on to
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the people further up the chain in the federal part.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny when Ben Carroll said, well,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: this just proves that politicians are human beings.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Like, there's a lot of proof that they're very ordinary people.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: But then he also.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: He also.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: He also dobbed in.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I think it was the former deputy premier of the state.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Can't remember his name.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: But the former deputy premier of the state apparently called
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: up Ben Carroll and said, don't worry, mate, look, I've
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: forgotten to pay for petrol as well.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: So there seems to be a theme.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of people who don't seem to know about it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, exactly. All right, well, look, let's change pace now.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about the ongoing situation with the
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: member for Indi... Helen Haynes, her husband, Phil, today fronted
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the media, an incredibly brave man, a man who was
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: going through hell right now, to give an update on
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: her condition where he revealed that she has now lost
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: both of her legs.
• 17:10
  Speaker 12: Helen's left leg was amputated on Monday. We had been
• 17:14
  Speaker 12: hoping that her right leg would be saved. But as
• 17:18
  Speaker 12: of this afternoon, this morning, the surgeons had to also
• 17:21
  Speaker 12: remove her right leg. But the good news in all
• 17:26
  Speaker 12: this is Helen is alive and she's stable. The two
• 17:30
  Speaker 12: most important parts of Helen for us as a family
• 17:34
  Speaker 12: are her heart and her mind.
• 17:39
  Speaker 10: Her heart is huge.
• 17:40
  Speaker 12: She is a very compassionate, caring, loving person, incredibly supportive
• 17:46
  Speaker 12: of all around her, her family, her community, anybody she
• 17:50
  Speaker 12: comes across. And her mind, she has the sharpest intellect.
• 17:54
  Speaker 12: She has always had the most intense desire to learn,
• 17:58
  Speaker 12: to read, to synthesise and to understand what's going on.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Just, you know, remarkable sentiment from somebody in the family
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: going through so much to speak like that from the heart.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: The Governor-General, Sam Mostyn, who is good friends with Helen Haynes,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: also gave an important reminder.
• 18:20
  Speaker 13: Remind ourselves, as Helen says all the time, that Australians
• 18:24
  Speaker 13: have good hearts, great hearts, and checking each of ourselves
• 18:29
  Speaker 13: to ensure that we are in fact disagreeing well, not
• 18:33
  Speaker 13: fighting with one another, not descending into violence and chaos
• 18:36
  Speaker 13: and division.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: And, look, it is such an important reminder and all
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: members of Parliament right now are reviewing their security and
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: with good reason. There was an incident this evening in
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Western Australia. WA Police released a statement confirming that the
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: member for Victoria Park, the Honourable Hannah Beazley, was targeted
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: this afternoon.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I'll just read a bit of the statement.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: It says, this afternoon staff within my electorate office were
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: faced with a confronting situation when a member of the
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: public entered the office armed with a weapon. Police were
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: called and a person has been taken into custody. I've
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: spoken to my staff who are understandably shaken and upset
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: by what took place. Fortunately, no one was injured during
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: this incident. I guess, you know, from overseas incidents, there
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: is a genuine risk of copycats because all it takes
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: is one deranged individual. to go ahead and say, this
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: is a call to arms. I'm going to take matters
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: into my own hands. Now, we certainly don't know, again,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the alleged motive in this incident, but clearly there is
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: a heightened alert level right now. And I'm sure this
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: now incident in Western Australia would have many more politicians
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: worried about their safety moving forward.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese spoke earlier today about the fact that politicians
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: right around the country are being briefed by security agencies,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: including ASIO, just to reassure them of their safety and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to update procedures.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Here he was.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: On the tone of debate, Were you aware or give
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: approval to your office to distribute to the press gallery
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: information about Helen Haynes, about grants that she'd sought after
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: she criticised you over the $ 6 million Marrickville grant?
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Helen Haynes is a good local member.
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: She puts forward applications like other members do for grants
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: and that's what good local members do and Helen Haynes
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: is a very strong advocate for her community.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: He did talk about briefings, of course, there.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: He's avoiding the question about the dirt file that was
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: distributed by Labor prior to Helen Haynes' accident. There was
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: an interesting article in The Australian today, Caleb, about whether
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: or not Anthony Albanese has the moral leadership in this issue,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: bearing in mind some of his own behaviour, the Labor
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: dirt file on Helen Haynes. if you're trying to bring
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the country together, the Governor-General, I thought, when she talked
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: about the need to disagree well, you know, disagree without
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: being disagreeable.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: I thought she spoke very well.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese is not that believable, particularly when you get
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: instances like that where he's asked a direct question about,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you know, have Labor been particularly honourable? And he completely
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: dodges the issue.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The only problem is that there's no one who can
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: really claim to be completely clean in that kind of regard.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost standard practice in politics to come
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: up with dirt files. It's standard practice in politics to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: perhaps use rhetoric In the cold light of day now,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you might look at it and say it goes a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: little bit too far, but at the time you would
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: kind of go, ah, well, you're like, it's not literal.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You had the case, was it last week, where, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I forget who it was, but a Liberal MP said
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that Anne Arley, the small business minister and the Prime Minister,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: should be stoned in the town square. And I defended
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that last week and said, look, you know, I get
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: that it probably... The wording wasn't great, but it wasn't literal. Like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a call to actually go out and stone
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Anne Ali or the Prime Minister in public and that
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: any reasonable person would interpret it in that regard. But
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: then I suppose after that, the events of this week,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you go, well, you know, you would look at it
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in a different light. And I suspect almost everyone across
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the political spectrum... could point at a time where they've
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: said something or done something that in the light of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: this you'd go, well, maybe that would contribute to these things,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: but on the whole it probably doesn't. And that's probably
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: part of the problem, because we talk about toning down
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the rhetoric and we've got to turn the temperature down,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: but did anyone really think before Monday that the temperature
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: was that high?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Certainly not in this kind of... Obviously we had Bondi
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and things like that, which is a different form of attack, right?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: But I didn't think that in the body politic, the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: temperature was that high that something like this could happen.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I think the temperature is high concerning certain individuals or
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: certain groups of people. But broadly across everything, I wouldn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have thought. But to what you said, you know, they
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: should be whipped in the town square or stoned in.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: The town square or whatever.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Do we really want to live in a country where
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you can't You'll have to help me because you're the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: English genius here.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Is it metaphor? Is it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Make a metaphorical point.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Where you can't speak metaphorically without being tut-tutted because some
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: crazy might take you out of context and do something silly.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: We don't want to go down the pathway of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: UK where literally people are being arrested for saying these
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: things because it just completely infringes on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Freedom of speech.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: But just in regards to the DIRT file, I don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: think the issue is the DIRT file itself because that
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: is a standard practice of politics everywhere.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: There are dirt.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Files on many members of parliament and you do it
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: leading into an election in particular when you want to.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Bring out the big guns, so to speak.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: The problem is Anthony Albanese could not show the integrity
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: today when he was interviewed by Kieran Gilbert on this network.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: He could not show the integrity just to front up
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and say, yep, you know what, there was a dirt file.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: And that is his problem. He ducks, he weaves, he panders.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: He can never be honest.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I cannot remember a time where Anthony Albanese has fronted
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: up to a press conference or to an interview and said,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: you know what, yeah, I got it wrong.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I got it wrong. When has he ever done that?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: He never has. Never.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's been one of the great failures of this government,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I think, is that, you know, And it's, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: if you want to talk more broadly politically, it's why
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: he finds himself in a great pickle with his treasurer
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: now because he doesn't want to admit... Of course, taxes...
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: if he sacked the treasurer, it would be to admit
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: that the government has got something wrong and so he's
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: kind of backed into a corner. It's not in his
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: political instinct, it would seem. Can I also just say,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Phil Haynes, he spoke incredibly well today.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And he opened that press conference by saying, look, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this is normally Helen's domain... and I've never really done
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: this before and I hope I've learnt something from her
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: along the way, and then went on to speak off
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the cuff superbly. Like, he could not have conducted himself
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: any better, the sentiments of what he said, even the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: way he put what he said. For a man who
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: must have gone through absolute hell the last couple of days,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he was so composed and so calm, and we've talked
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: over the last couple of days about these great Aussie
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: moments that we've seen through this and the behaviour of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: people in Wangaratta who helped her out when she'd been
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: mowed down, etc. I felt like that was a great
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: moment of unity and calm for the country to look
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to a man who's going through a great deal of pain,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: who's saying, you know what? it's going to be all right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was brilliant.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: And he's not just going through pain. He's the victim here.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course he is.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And yet not speaking like a victim, not speaking out
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: of grievance or out of anger, but speaking full of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: grace and... I wouldn't say forgiveness because he wasn't addressing
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the alleged attacker, but he was certainly speaking as someone
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: who had his heart in an OK place.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And actually, just on the alleged attacker, he faced court today.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: This is Brendan Nugent. His lawyer has said that he
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: was suffering from concussion and from a rare neurological disorder
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: which causes sudden inflammation across the spinal cord.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: There you go. All right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: The New South Wales Parliament has just updated that It's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: breastfeeding policy, and Liberal leader Kelly Sloan is not terribly impressed.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: So I'm going to say something that should not be controversial,
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: but apparently it is. Only women, only women breastfeed babies. Well,
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: apparently not according to New South Wales Parliament, who released
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: an updated list of policies today, including the breastfeeding policy.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: And they said, for the breastfeeding policy, this policy has
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: been updated... with gender neutral language. Gender neutral language for
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: a breastfeeding policy. This just blows my mind. This is
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: why we all wonder whether the world is going completely nuts.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: So there you go. No mention of mother or female.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: What is it? Lactating parents.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Lactating parents. Please.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's important to remember in the context of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that update by the New South Wales Parliament, We currently
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: have a situation in this country where a breastfeeding counsellor,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jasmine Sussex, is being sued by a transgendered woman because
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of comments the breastfeeding counsellor made concerning the inability.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: Of a biological man to actually breastfeed.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's some of the reasoning why institutions,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: including the New South Wales Parliament, have been gender neutral
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: because it's a legal minefield now because of trans ideology.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Well, they're so worried that they're going to be hauled
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: in front of a court, just like Jasmine was, or
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: just like others like.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Sal Grover, for example.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: This is highly offensive to women, but it's also offensive
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: to women who can't have children because there are so
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: many women out there who would love to be able
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: to have that opportunity to breastfeed a child and to
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: have that experience. And they can't. And they have been erased.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: It's another erasure. Now, where does the buck stop? With
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the Sex Discrimination Act, which Labor, of course, is unwilling
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: to amend after Julia Gillard changed it in 2013. The
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: only legal avenues now to make critical change when it
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: comes to this gender nonsense in this country is is
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: to change it in the act. Unless it's a coalition government,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: then Labor will be unwilling and we're still going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: have this sort of madness continuing. And Chris Minns, can
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I just say, should hang his head in shame that
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: this has been allowed to happen under his watch. He
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: has the ability to put an end to the madness tomorrow.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And I would like to see some level of commentary
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to right the wrongs of this because it is so
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: offensive that women are just being reduced to nothing in
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: this country.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's effectively the erasure of women, right? And we
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: hear today the Governor-General, Sam Mostyn, talking in a different
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: context about what happened in Wangaratta and the context of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: what people are saying and whether the rhetoric is too high.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And she says, quite rightly, words matter, right? And you
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: can apply that to this context as well. Because why
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: do they go for language? Because language influences culture, culture
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: influences norms, norms influence law. And so you start with
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the language, which can seem reasonably innocuous because you're not
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: physically changing anything. You're sort of abstractly changing something. But
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: once you change the language and people accept that the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: language has changed, it becomes much easier to change the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: laws and the rules and the norms and all the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: other stuff. That's why they start with language. It's small moves,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: but small moves that lead to much bigger things. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: if we can't be honest about the reality that women breastfeed,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: only women breastfeed, and that that should be acknowledged in
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: official documentation. then I'm sorry. I know I said before
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: that I wouldn't stand up because it would affect the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: camera angles, but I'm inclined to get up and walk
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: out because what the hell is the point if we
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: can't just acknowledge reality anymore?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: But I think we've gone beyond it. I know you
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: said it's small little changes. We're beyond small changes now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: This is an issue that is infiltrating women's sports. It's
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: infiltrating women's spaces. It's happening all around the world. This
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: is no longer just small moves. It's... gone beyond the
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: pale now.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's funny that you said we need to,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, put in official documents that only women breastfeed. Like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that summarises Western culture now, right? But it shouldn't even
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: be questioned. We need to put in official documents what
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: our grandparents would have thought was laughable that we'd have
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to explain it. What I don't understand about the whole
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: trans thing is, so if you identify as a certain gender,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you are that gender.
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: That's pretty much.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: How the law and how all of our institutions view things, right?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But then they change it because... You can be a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: woman if you're playing this particular sport, but if you
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: want to participate in boxing, for instance, well, we're not
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: going to classify you as a female there.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Or if you're... Well, Aman Khalif?
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Well, that's what I mean, but they withdrew that, right?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: So, or if you're a transgendered woman, you can go
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to the female prison, provided you haven't committed a sexual
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: offence or provided you don't.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Have a penis.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, you have to go to the male prison. So
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: they chop and chase. Sometimes you're a woman, sometimes you're not,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: which is the antithesis of their own ideology, which is
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: if you say you're a female, you're a female. But
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the ideology never matches the practice because it doesn't make sense.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Imagine tying yourself in knots over basic human biology.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Where do we get to this point? What happened? Literally
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: basic biology. It's what you learn when you're a kid.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: We abandoned objective truth and we made feeling sacrosanct.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Exactly. We're all about vibes.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: We are.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Vibes and feelings.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Because I can't argue with how you feel. Your feeling
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is your truth. Remember when Oprah famously introduced that phrase? Well, it's...
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Your truth, my truth?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: That's wrong.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: There is only one truth, which is reality, right?
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Objective truth.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And to pick up on something you said, James, chopping
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and changing is exactly the issue here. Now, while we're
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: talking about women's issues, could you, when we're talking about,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you know, only women can breastfeed, mothers, of course, can
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you be a literal mother of a dog? Now, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: would say yes if you're the dog who gave birth
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to the puppy, but apparently human women are now arguing
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that they should be entitled... to the same entitlements as
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: mothers of babies because they've adopted a dog. No, I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: can't believe this is real, but apparently so. As a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: case has come to light of a woman in the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: United States who was remonstrating with her employer over the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: fact she'd recently adopted a puppy. and she wanted access
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to maternity leave, and she was threatening to take her
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: boss off to HR, and in fact she did, because
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: her boss was refusing to give her maternity leave. So
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the boss has released all the emails that she has
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: received from this employee, which include, and I quote, just
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: following up on my maternity leave request, I understand HR
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: said maternity leave is for employees who give birth, but
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I genuinely don't see how that's relevant. I recently brought home,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: she writes, an eight-week-old golden retriever and I'm now responsible
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: for another living being. He wakes up every two hours,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm getting absolutely no sleep and I'm experiencing all the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: challenges of being a new mother. If this gets denied,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I'll be filing a formal complaint for discrimination against women
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: experiencing fertility issues who choose to become dog mums. Thanks
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for respecting... My journey into motherhood.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: She's got to be taking a piss, right?
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: That is so embarrassing.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Come on, that cannot be real.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: That is awful.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: That cannot be real.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: That is embarrassing.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I can understand because you've got cats, right?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: You probably think of yourself as a dad.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Or a cat mummy.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, mummy.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Excuse me.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Mummy or daddy.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Don't misgender me, James.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It's not allowed. Are you mummy or daddy?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I look after my cats.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: How do they refer to you?
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: Meow.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: How do you think they refer to me?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm not like asking for paternity leave to look
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: after my cat. Like if I had to take a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: cat to the vet, like there was an emergency or something,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I'd call up the boss and say, look, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: something's gone wrong at home. I've got to take the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: cat to the vet. Do you want me to use
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: annual leave or a toil day?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Would you say my son's not well?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I would not call up and say my son is
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: not well.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I would say my cat is not well and he
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: has to go to the vet.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: That's what I'd say.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: The thing about this story, though, right, so what she
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: suggested is absolutely ludicrous, but my question is why would
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: she feel so emboldened as to suggest that in the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: first place, except that the culture is completely nuts.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: And she thought, you know what, I might actually get
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: away with this.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: It is peppering bosses with these new age demands. Now,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know why you would want to be a
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: manager in this day and age where you've got all
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: these new age individuals that think that they own the joint.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: You should get a dog, Danika, because then you might
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: be able to get maternity leave.
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: What?
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: Well, Caleb, one day I will ask for maternity leave.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: That's because I'll actually have a baby.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You'll get it twice, the dog and the baby.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Meow.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to let you sort out your pets during
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the ad break. We're going to take a moment and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: then we'll return and have a look at what's making
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: headlines tomorrow. The papers are next. OK, let's take a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow. So you hear them
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: all here first on The Late Debate. We'll start with
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: The Herald Sun, which, of course, continues to report on
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the Helen Haynes incident and her health. The headline reads,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she's a fighter. And, of course, they're reporting her husband
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Phil's comments, some of which we showed earlier in the program.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: The other story on the front page related to this,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Cops Mull New Charge reports Attempted murder charges may still
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: be laid against the man accused of deliberately driving his
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: four-wheel drive into politician Helen Haynes. Brendan James Nugent, 43,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: yesterday appeared in Wangaratta Magistrate's Court on five charges, including
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: dangerous driving, intentionally causing serious injury and causing harm to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: a public official. But Chief Commissioner Mike Bush said a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: charge of attempted murder still could be laid.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: I'd be surprised if it wasn't, Kayleigh.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they've just got to establish what the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: motive is first before they can do that. They needed
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to get some charges on the books so they could
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: get him into court today. Obviously, they've done what they can.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But as the investigation goes on, I expect we'll see
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a bit more. On the front of The Australian tomorrow,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of course, they're running big on it as well. It
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: is the story of the week, right? Power of Civility
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: is the headline there in that great photo of Phil
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Haynes with Samantha Mostyn. But next to it, Drugs, rage
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and a family in tatters just three days before Brendan
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Nugent allegedly mowed down Helen Haynes outside her Wangaratta electorate office.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: A key piece in securing his future fell into place.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: The deal designed to guarantee the troubled 43-year-old could continue
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: living in the Greater Alpine Road house near Wangaratta for
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: as long as he lived had only been finalised last
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Friday by his father, Rodney Nugent. The 74-year-old hadn't told
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: his son about the good fortune before he is alleged
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to have deliberately driven his Toyota Land Cruiser into the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: federal politician on Monday afternoon. We obviously learned the other
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: day that his father and stepmother have been friends with
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Haynes for a long time, and obviously the first thought
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: is for Haynes and her family in all of this.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But it would seem that Nugent's family as well, this
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: is not a situation they ever foresaw actually happening. It's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: certainly one that they would be struggling to deal with. And,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he seems to be certainly a troubled individual
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: at the very least, to say the least, sorry. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: his poor family as well having to now navigate this themselves.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: which is something that really isn't their fault.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the article says that there was such estrangement between
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Brendan Nugent and his parents that they'd actually employed a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: mediator between parents and son to try to resolve family differences.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And then the son sacked the mediator. So clearly a
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: very troubled and dysfunctional family situation.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it even says here, the Australian understands Brendan Nugent
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: was unaware the property shuffling that was going on behind
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the scenes, but the deal reflects the father's ongoing concern
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: for his erratic son.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: So there was ongoing issues there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Indeed. And, of course, the other people who are concerned
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: at the moment, other politicians, MPs vent anxieties saying, To
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: AFP and ASIO, federal MPs have raised concerns that security
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: agencies do not respond quickly enough to their calls for assistance,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: with claims that some requests fall on deaf ears as
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: anxiety among parliamentarians grows after the attack on Helen Haynes.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: The issue was raised in a briefing to MPs on
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Wednesday by officials from ASIO, the Australian Federal Police and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the Department of Home Affairs, with Labor and Coalition MPs
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: expressing heightened unease about their safety concerns. Several Coalition MPs
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: reported that requests for security assistance ahead of events were
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: either ignored or not taken seriously enough, prompting officials in
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the briefing to vow to look into how the process
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: could improve. And there's also another story next to it
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: saying that there are very few convictions that arise from
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: these complaints when they are made. I mean, it's... It's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: such an awful situation to be in, but the reality
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is as well that even if you had beefed up security,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: it would not have prevented what happened on Monday. It
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: was at the front of her electorate office when she's
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: getting stuff out the back of her car. You can't
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: have sort of 24-7 someone standing there right next to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you all the time. Yes, we probably need to talk
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: about beefing up security, but it still wouldn't have avoided it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: No, but, I mean, if concerns for your own safety
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: are falling on deaf ears, then we've got a serious
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: problem in this country.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Just before we continue the Australian, some breaking news with
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: President Zelensky having just spoken to Fox News and laid
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: out his terms for a peace deal with Russia.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Here's some of that comment.
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: You accept a peace deal that freezes everything the way
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: it is right now, where you still keep 75% or
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: more of your country, regardless of how it started, would
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: you accept where it is right now?
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Right now, we have to freeze. And I think this
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: is a real way to end this war. We call
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it ceasefire or stop killing, like President Trump called it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: Freeze and stop.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And of course, this is minimum what we need from
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Russia today.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Well, that would seem to be a fairly major breakthrough.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It would be.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: That is probably the most forward I think President Zelensky
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: has been since this war began. And I just wonder
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: what's going on behind the scenes. Donald Trump, it was
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: only a couple of days ago we spoke about it
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: on this program.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Of course, Donald Trump.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Said that Zelensky had no intentions of ending this war.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: So it would be interesting to see Donald Trump's role
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: in this. But it is the unwinnable war. Something has
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: to give. You cannot trust the Russians. You cannot trust
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: President Putin. So I think that this is hopefully the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: start of some sort of ending of this.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: And now you think the pressure would go immediately onto
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: What are you going to do? Are you going to
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: stump up and agree to this?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And there's plenty of other things, bits and pieces, that
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: need to be negotiated in all of this. But that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: is the clearest indication that Zelensky is practically the only indication...
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that Ukraine has given that they can see a way
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: of ending this war. I'm glad to see him agree
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to that. I've said for a very long time now
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: both sides will have to concede something in order to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: end this war. Zelensky is now willing to make a
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: concession on the basis of what he said there. So
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: let's hope this does actually lead to a peace deal
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and an end to that war. Another story on the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: front of the Oz tomorrow. Union's Me Too pay plea
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to Labor, we want 35%. It sounds good, doesn't it?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: The nation's biggest unions, one of the nation's biggest unions,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I should say, is demanding federal and state governments fund
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: pay rises of up to 35% for 300,000 community and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: disability workers from next year in the latest union bid
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: for taxpayers to fund significant wage increases for a large
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: group of low-paid workers. The Australian Services Union lodged its
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: claim in the Fair Work Commission on arguing the pay
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: rises were warranted because the largely feminised workforce was underpaid
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and undervalued. ASU National Secretary Emmeline Gask said many of
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the workers held bachelor's or master's degrees and brought complex
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: skills and experience to their work. 35%. Hell of an ask.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: It is an ask. Again, more pressure on business owners.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Obviously, you want low-paid workers to be able to earn
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: a better wage, but you can't expect these things to
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: jump from zero to 100 overnight.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: Indeed. All right, we're going to go to a break.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: When we come back, you know what photobombing is, right?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: You take a photograph and someone appears in the background unexpectedly.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: A shark photobombs a couple on the beach.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: We'll show you after this.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: OK, we've got to show you an incredible rescue that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: took place in China. A mum lives in a 12-storey
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: apartment with her three-year-old daughter.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Mum went shopping, left the kid alone.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: The three-year-old managed to squeeze through a window and would
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: have fallen 12 storeys had her head not got stuck
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: in the security grate. So she was literally dangling from
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the 12th floor. People on the 11th floor risked their
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: lives to try and save her.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Have a look. So these guys on the 11th floor.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Are standing precariously trying to catch this girl if she falls.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: Fortunately, her head was so.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Stuck in the security grate that she wasn't falling, but
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: neither could they grab her. So the fire brigade had
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to come break into the apartment and And then they
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: managed to pull the grate apart and release her safely.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Heroic efforts by those neighbours.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: But my question is, how did she end up in that,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: how did the kid end up in that position in
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the first place?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, kids do dumb things sometimes.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but surely there's got to be, if you know
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: you're up very high, surely there's got to be some
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: sort of precautionary barrier on the balcony.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Well, the security grace. It did the job.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Well, that's true, exactly.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: It prevented the kid from falling. But can you imagine
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: being one of those blokes? Like you're putting your life
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: on the line as well. Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: They were standing on the balustrade and then there were
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: other people.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you could see it on the vision,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: but there's other people there clearly holding on to those
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: guys to secure them.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not scared of heights in general, right? But in
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: that situation, I'd be crapping my dacks.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely you would be.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: If you know you've got some protection, I'm not scared
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: of heights. But if I was looking over the edge
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and I knew I'm gone, I don't know that I
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: could possibly do that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Very heroic effort. Absolutely incredible.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Now, I've got to ask you both, have you ever
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: had an incredible photobombing moment?
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 46:36
  Speaker 10: Go on.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: Do you remember Mark Jackson? From the AFL.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: I'm an individual. You can't fool me into a bloody vigil. Jacko, yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: He photobombed a photo of me and my mates at
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: the Gold Coast.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, there you go.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I've met Jacko a couple of times at the races, actually.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got something that's going to top that.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: What's that?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: A group of friends were at a beach in California
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: and they were out having a chat and taking some
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: photos when this critter or this creature appeared in their photo.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Critter. That is a shark, ladies and gentlemen.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: A critter.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: It's a critter. If we could bring it up again. Look,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: it's a beast.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: If you actually look at the vision closely, that thing
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: is a monster and it just whips out of the
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: water and in the back of their shot.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Isn't that incredible?
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: It is incredible. Incredible that they got the shot.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: And they also got dolphins on camera as well. So
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: they had all the critters of the sea.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about crapping your dacks. I reckon
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: if I saw a shark... Coming out of the water,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get off of the beach faster.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I'd run. I would run. That thing is a monster.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Like, that's ridiculous. I know he's probably not going to, like,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: come up onto the beach, onto the land and get you,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: but still.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: But you wouldn't risk it, would you?
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: No, no.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: You're not going into.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: The water after that. I think I would be going
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: somewhere else very quickly after that. And maybe if you
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: couldn't have a nice day at the beach, you'd decide
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: to go and do a bit of sightseeing somewhere else. Now,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: you could go sightseeing a very long way away in
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the case of what I'm about to show you. You
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: know SpaceX, Elon Musk keeps sending these rockets up into
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the sky, which is all terribly exciting. I mean, now
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: he's got floating cars and things as well, flying cars.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: which I know excites James terribly.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: James is very excited.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I love flying cars. On Sunday night, he was waxing
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: lyrical about the flying cars. So maybe they can send
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: one of those into space sometime soon. And if they do,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: you might get to witness this. Now, this is called
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a space jellyfish, apparently, when they send one of these
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: rockets up from hundreds of miles... I don't think it
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: looks like a jellyfish. It's a space creature. You make
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: up your own mind. But from hundreds of miles away,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you can see this.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: That bright dot right in the middle of it. That's it.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it. He was rather excited to see the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: space jellyfish.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: About as excited as you. You've been waiting for this
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: moment the whole night.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: It was pretty eerie.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look like a jellyfish.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Like, if you didn't know what the heck that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Was, you'd be like, is this the end of the world?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: The alien is coming. No, I thought it looked like
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: a giant sperm.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: It did at the beginning, yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It did.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: On that note, here's the Rita Pennehy show. Good night.