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Please Don't Cancel Us, WBD! · Large Nerdron Collider

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the large new Drunk Later podcast,
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Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the eky things happening in
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Speaker 1: the world around us, and boy are there a lot
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Speaker 1: this week. I'm Ariel casting and with me as always
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Speaker 1: is Glitchen in the matrix with me Jonathan Strickland. I'm
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Speaker 1: strutting do I'm startting my way on over to you. Hey, Jo,
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Speaker 1: I feel like I heard you say that already. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We we've done tried to record this once and we
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Speaker 1: got about six and a half minutes in and then
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Speaker 1: my connection starts stuttering, which I don't understand because it
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Speaker 1: should be fine, but I switched to a different connection
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Speaker 1: and I will be spending a week trying to troubleshoot
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Speaker 1: after this. Yeah, but you know what, it works out
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Speaker 1: for you because I was a little bit overly sca
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Speaker 1: uttered in the first try. So uh good for everybody
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Speaker 1: all around. Um. Full disclosure, we are not doing a
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Speaker 1: mash up this week because I have been crazy busy
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Speaker 1: and I forgot to pick one until it was too late.
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Speaker 1: But it turns out to be a good thing because,
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Speaker 1: as I said, there is a lot of things to
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Speaker 1: talk about happening in the geek sphere um, the first
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Speaker 1: of which is that we are getting a Community movie
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe. Okay. The reason why I say maybe is
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Speaker 1: we've heard this before and we shouldn't get anyone's hopes
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Speaker 1: up too much. But Community, for those who may not
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Speaker 1: be aware, was a sitcom. Dan Harmon, who's the same
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Speaker 1: guy who's behind Rick and Morty, created it. It ran
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Speaker 1: for six seasons, not on the same network, five seasons
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Speaker 1: on one network, and then moved over to a Yahoo
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Speaker 1: streaming platform that no longer exists, and then died. But
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Speaker 1: there was a catchphrase throughout the series of six seasons
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Speaker 1: in a movie which was really more of a joke,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds like it might not be all a joke.
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Speaker 1: And and also like all the people who used to
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Speaker 1: be on Community, whenever they're in interviews, almost invariably they
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Speaker 1: get asked, if there's a Community movie, would you come back?
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Speaker 1: And they all have said yes because they loved working
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Speaker 1: on that show so much. So we know that at
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Speaker 1: least among most of the cast, with maybe a notable
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Speaker 1: exception or two, there's a desire to do it. And
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Speaker 1: now Dan Harmon says that he's gone so far as
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Speaker 1: to actually outline an idea for a plot. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's gone as far as to say there will definitely
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Speaker 1: be a movie. I could have said that three years ago,
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Speaker 1: but now I'm saying it now. It might be one
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Speaker 1: or eight years from now, which is good. That will
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Speaker 1: give me a time to actually, it will give me
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Speaker 1: time to actually like finish the series. I'm only in
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Speaker 1: season two. I only recent he started watching it, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: but like more and more people have started to discover
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Speaker 1: it and like it's there's obviously they're like the hardcore
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Speaker 1: fans who are like I was watching it when it
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Speaker 1: was on TV, and well, good for you. Some of
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Speaker 1: us didn't because we had lots of other stuff going on. Um.
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Speaker 1: I dove into the series earlier this year and have
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Speaker 1: watched it all the way through more than once. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because I know that Brooklyn nine
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Speaker 1: when it was wrapping up, which another series I absolutely love,
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Speaker 1: which which I think has also similar kind of humor.
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Speaker 1: UM was I don't know if it was somebody who
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Speaker 1: was talking to who's in the acting industry, if it
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Speaker 1: was someone from Brooklyn nine nine who was just saying,
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Speaker 1: like the the litmus for humor and what what is
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Speaker 1: successful humor in media right now has changed. Now it's
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Speaker 1: more situational as opposed to to pranky. Satirical is what's
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Speaker 1: most popular, and I feel like Community falls into that
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Speaker 1: same like it's not a situational. That being said, I
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Speaker 1: think it's hilarious and absolutely love it. Yeah, and uh,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's It's also interesting because you know, Dan Harmon,
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Speaker 1: if you look into his background at all, you'll see
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Speaker 1: some some stuff that was and I'll use a phrase
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Speaker 1: that everyone hates but problematic, but he has kind of,
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Speaker 1: you know, owned up to that and and made attempts
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Speaker 1: to correct that kind of behavior and that kind of mentality.
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Speaker 1: And so there's a question also of what would a
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Speaker 1: community movie be like, I mean, all the characters would
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Speaker 1: have presumably aged the same as all the actors that
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Speaker 1: I mean, you could run a joke kind of like
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Speaker 1: wet hot American Summer and just ignore the time spand difference.
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Speaker 1: But assuming that you do account for that amount of
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Speaker 1: time passing within the world of community, you have to
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Speaker 1: ask your questions like why did they come back together,
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Speaker 1: what's the story, what have they been doing in the
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Speaker 1: span of time between the two, and also what does
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Speaker 1: the humor and what do the character dynamics look like,
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Speaker 1: because sensibilities have evolved since Community was on not the
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Speaker 1: community was particularly uh let's say edgy, you know, which
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Speaker 1: is a loaded term. It wasn't particularly edgy in the
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Speaker 1: sense of containing a lot of stuff that you might
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Speaker 1: see as being, uh, kind of against the current likes
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Speaker 1: and dislikes of culture. But there's some elements there and uh,
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Speaker 1: it just makes you wonder, like, what would a community
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Speaker 1: film even look like? That being said, I kind of
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Speaker 1: don't care because I want it so bad. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I have like three pitches for a community movie. I
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Speaker 1: have finished series, so I don't know where it ends up,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure all of them are brilliant and would
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Speaker 1: fit based on the first two seasons. Speaking of a
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Speaker 1: movie that we didn't know much about how they would
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Speaker 1: do it. Uh, we have a little more information on
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Speaker 1: the Knives Out sequel coming to Netflix. Yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: glass onion and we found out where the title comes from,
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Speaker 1: so you would think like glass onion. Okay, this is
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Speaker 1: a phrase that tells you it's both transparent and yet
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Speaker 1: has lots of layers to it, right, like a fragile
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Speaker 1: and stories. It's fragilely layered anyone layer off and it
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Speaker 1: all starts to fall apart. Maybe she'd been bloom onion,
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Speaker 1: uh from Outback Steakhouse. Um, now I want to bloom
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Speaker 1: an onion and those things are terrible for you. But
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Speaker 1: the the Ryan Johnson said that, uh, he was looking
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Speaker 1: for a song that had the word glass in it
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Speaker 1: to take as inspiration for the title, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of funny, like first he knew he wanted glass in
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Speaker 1: the title, apparently, but he didn't know what word to
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Speaker 1: pair glass with. And when he did a search in
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Speaker 1: his music library, the top result was the Beatles song
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Speaker 1: Glass Onion, which is not one of their better known tunes,
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Speaker 1: but it is a self referential song because the lyrics
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Speaker 1: of glass Onion refer to numerous other Beatles songs like
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Speaker 1: Strawberry Fields Forever and I Am the Walrus and Fixing
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Speaker 1: a Hole and Lady Madonna and others. Yeah. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: being said, uh, we also know we got a first
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Speaker 1: image from it. It's everybody sitting at a table, you know,
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Speaker 1: not quite last supper ish, but just all sitting around
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Speaker 1: the table. Um, And we've got a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about the story, which is ed Norton's character invites all
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Speaker 1: of his friends to an island and one of them
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Speaker 1: turns up dead, and then they have Daniel Craig's character
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Speaker 1: it's called in to figure it out. So, um, it
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Speaker 1: sounds fun. Yeah, It's got a lot of of interesting
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Speaker 1: actors in it. I mean it's you know, seeing Kathy
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Speaker 1: Han and something. I'm just super happy about that. Dave
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Speaker 1: Batista also interesting to see him in there, So I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering if he's gonna play against type or if he's
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Speaker 1: just going to be the super strong, brooding type. I
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Speaker 1: really want him to play against type. I have high
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Speaker 1: hopes for Knives Out, too, and I think maybe I
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Speaker 1: need to temper those expectations so I can enjoy it. Um,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes Netflix puts out really amazing stuff and then
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Speaker 1: sometimes I just really need to temper my expectations. Like
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Speaker 1: with the Resident Evil series, it had some amazing moments,
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Speaker 1: but it was not overall great. Yeah that's fair. I
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Speaker 1: think part of the issue here is that Knives Out
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Speaker 1: with such a delightful surprise when it came out, and
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Speaker 1: it was so entertaining that that's the issue. Right, Knives
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Speaker 1: Out itself set a pretty high bar and and so
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Speaker 1: you you're hopeful that other entries will meet that bar.
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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking that it's going to be similar to,
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Speaker 1: you know, like the Colombo series where yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: you've got your your main character who is going to
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Speaker 1: be in totally different situations from entry to entry, but
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Speaker 1: you still have this through line of this peculiar character
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Speaker 1: who has his own method of unraveling a case. And
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Speaker 1: that's where you know the that's the connective tissue. But
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Speaker 1: everything else is going to be different from from entry
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Speaker 1: to entry, and I'm cool with that. Yes, it's another
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Speaker 1: opportunity as well for Daniel Craig to get his louisianact
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Speaker 1: Louisiana accent down, no judgment, I stink at a Louisiana
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Speaker 1: accent um. It's it's also his opportunity to earn a
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Speaker 1: hundred million freaking dollars. I know, I know, I hope
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Speaker 1: he puts some of that to good use in helping others.
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Speaker 1: Um like the guy who plays the Angel in Good Omens,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan what's his name? Remind me of his name? Martin
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Speaker 1: the Angel? Oh? Michael Shannon, Michael Shannon, Okay, he she
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Speaker 1: and he basically became himself whatever his name, you know
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Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. He basically made himself a nonprofit
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Speaker 1: actor and he said everything pass what he needs. He's
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Speaker 1: he's giving to charity, or he was for a while. So,
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Speaker 1: um yeah, if you make a hundremillion, hopefully you're He's
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Speaker 1: known for investing directly back into his community in Wales,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty exciting. Um yeah, well we obviously we're
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Speaker 1: in no position to tell Mr Craig what to do
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Speaker 1: with his let's see metric buttload of money. Yeah you
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Speaker 1: just I mean you you just hope that some people
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Speaker 1: hate it for it. Uh. But Knife's Out is not
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Speaker 1: the only thing coming to Netflix. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: this We're still dealing with technical difficulties, so I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that uh segue works, but I'm going with it.
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Speaker 1: We're also getting a BioShock, BioShock BioShock live action movie. Uh.
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Speaker 1: If you see a sign on the side of the
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Speaker 1: road that reads BioShock, Um, I got me a daddy.
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Speaker 1: He's as big as a whale. We're about to set sale. Cheez.
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Speaker 1: That could have been our mashup love Shack and BioShock.
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Speaker 1: Um yeah, so, so I was not aware that there
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Speaker 1: was an effort to bring a live action adaptation of
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Speaker 1: BioShock to Netflix. But we saw this message or this
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Speaker 1: news in the Hollywood Report. Um. That's interesting. If you're
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Speaker 1: not familiar with BioShock, it's it's kind of an exploration
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Speaker 1: of objectivism in a way. It's set in an underwater
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Speaker 1: community that was meant to be this idyllic UH society
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Speaker 1: free from government uh intervention um, where scientists could perform
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Speaker 1: science without worried about worries about interference, and artists could
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Speaker 1: create whatever work they wanted without censorship. But by the
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Speaker 1: time you show up there, things have gone badly. Mm hmmm. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I have not played BioShock, um, but that seems I don't.
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Speaker 1: It seems very on brand for a Netflix show or movie. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the story itself is pretty compelling, and honestly,
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Speaker 1: I think you could boil down the story of BioShock
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Speaker 1: into like two hours and you wouldn't really lose anything major.
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Speaker 1: That's That's the thing I think a lot of video
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Speaker 1: game adaptations have trouble with is that when you really
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Speaker 1: sift it down, often there's not much story there, like
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Speaker 1: because most of the game is involved with you, the
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Speaker 1: player controlling the main character. So it's more about an
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Speaker 1: experience as opposed to a story. When you really boil
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Speaker 1: stories down in video games, they typically aren't that long. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean if like, if you look at Resident Evil now,
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Speaker 1: albeit that had movies and and a ton of video
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Speaker 1: games to go off of, and they put a lot
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Speaker 1: in from a lot of the video games. Um, it's
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Speaker 1: just it dragged. Um. I hope this is better than that,
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Speaker 1: because oh, yeah, me too. Yeah. Well, I and it's
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Speaker 1: We've had a couple of movies based off video games
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Speaker 1: that have been good, but yeah, those have been the
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Speaker 1: exception rather than the rule. But yeah, I'm hopeful that
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Speaker 1: this will be good. If nothing else, the visual design
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Speaker 1: alone should be spectacular. Yeah, yeah, it should be great.
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Speaker 1: Um that's really all I have to say on that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: me too. Let's talk about some whole bunch of stuff
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Speaker 1: that involves Warner Brothers, Yes, and HBO and all that discovery.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot to unpack. Where do we even start, Jonathan, Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to start at the top of our list
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Speaker 1: and just work my way down, which I know doesn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily mean that we're gonna go in any meaningful order,
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Speaker 1: because we were the way we make our lists. Another
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Speaker 1: peak behind the curtain. The way we make our lineups
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Speaker 1: is that as we come across articles and trailers and
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, we just put them in the
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Speaker 1: order that we find them, but not necessarily the order
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Speaker 1: where it will flow naturally for a podcast. We just
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Speaker 1: part of our charm. So our first one has to
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Speaker 1: do with Warner Brothers Discovery, but more in a distributor capacity,
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Speaker 1: not in a production capacity, and that is Warner Brothers
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Speaker 1: has signed an agreement to be the distributor essentially for
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Speaker 1: MGMs UH future Bond films, the next one being right
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Speaker 1: now code named Bond six. And if you're wondering why
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Speaker 1: it's about and who's going to be in it, you're
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Speaker 1: in the same boat as the producers. Yeah, actually I
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Speaker 1: think isn't that going out to a different Yeah, you're right,
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Speaker 1: because MGM doesn't distribute its own films, that partners with
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Speaker 1: other companies to distribute them. So you're right. Areel twenty
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Speaker 1: six has already spoken for, so it'll be twenty seven
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Speaker 1: and beyond that, Warner Brothers will handle for at least
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Speaker 1: three years, with the UH the the option to extend
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Speaker 1: that agreement out for two more years. So that's a
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Speaker 1: five year agreement. Of course they could renew that afterward.
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Speaker 1: If you look at the distributors for Bond films, it's
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Speaker 1: like it's just a it's just a call sheet for
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Speaker 1: all the major movie studios. Yeah, I mean. But also
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Speaker 1: if you look at James Bond films that are all
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Speaker 1: over the place, it's just it's it's interesting to me
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Speaker 1: because one, does that mean we're getting a Bond movie
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Speaker 1: every year? Um uh? And and two like we're getting
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Speaker 1: a lot of d C slash And we'll get into
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Speaker 1: that a bit more. But like I'm much more interested
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Speaker 1: in d C than James Bond. So I mean I
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Speaker 1: am too. I haven't watched a Bond movie since Skyfall maybe,
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Speaker 1: um I so my last one too. I Here's the
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Speaker 1: thing I find frustrating is that when you start looking
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Speaker 1: into this and you go more than a layer deep,
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Speaker 1: you you start to see all the business behind movie making,
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Speaker 1: all the commerce, none of the art, right, because film
17:02
Speaker 1: filmmaking is a balance between art and commerce. If you
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Speaker 1: don't have one, you can't have the other. And when
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Speaker 1: you're at a point where you're saying, we don't have
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Speaker 1: an idea for a story, We don't know who's going
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Speaker 1: to play James Bond. We literally have no information about
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Speaker 1: what's coming up next. We just know we want to
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Speaker 1: do it. That that feels icky to me. Yeah, I
17:25
Speaker 1: mean you've got to plan ahead and but yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I say this as an actor who you know benefits
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Speaker 1: from the converse side of things. Uh, you know when
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Speaker 1: you when you book as an actor, that that it's
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Speaker 1: the business side that gets you paid, right, Um, So
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Speaker 1: you like telling stories, but it's also nice to be
17:46
Speaker 1: able to pay your bills off of it if you
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Speaker 1: can't not A lot of actors can't currently I can't,
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Speaker 1: but I'm working on that. And I would say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: James Bond, that's more opportunities for me. But they've already
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Speaker 1: said they likely will not cast a woman as James Bond.
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Speaker 1: They think they're going to keep him a man for now,
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Speaker 1: and you know that's that's a okay decision. I'm fine
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Speaker 1: with it. But they did say that. But also the
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Speaker 1: article we linked to for this in The Guardian had
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Speaker 1: a typo that said that statement came from one O
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Speaker 1: eight and eight hasn't happened yet, So maybe there's hope,
18:21
Speaker 1: Maybe there is supposed it was supposed to, say, two
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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, but there was a type of where the
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Speaker 1: the one in the zero got flipped. Fair enough, fair enough. Um,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I did get a little bit more
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Speaker 1: hope because everybody has been so upset about things getting DC,
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Speaker 1: stuff getting cut like that Girl movie. Um, which let's
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Speaker 1: let's talk about that first before I get into the
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Speaker 1: hope that HBO Max has given me. Sure, sure so Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery is reportedly holding what some have referred
18:55
Speaker 1: to as funeral screenings for Bat Girl. Now, obviously bat
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Speaker 1: Girl is uh the film that was meant for HBO Max,
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Speaker 1: who's meant for streaming. Uh ninety million dollars had been
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Speaker 1: poured into it, it was not yet finished um when
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Speaker 1: David Zaslov, the new CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery, said
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Speaker 1: they were going to shelve it forever and count it
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Speaker 1: as a tax right off, which means they can never
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Speaker 1: release it commercially or else it would violate the tax
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Speaker 1: right off. I mean, technically they could and just pay
19:32
Speaker 1: back those tax write offs, but they would have to
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Speaker 1: really feel it was worth it. Yeah, I mean, which
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Speaker 1: right now they don't. Obviously right now, Zaslov is looking
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Speaker 1: to cut like three billion dollars at least from his
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Speaker 1: two companies to the now merged company to get it
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Speaker 1: onto the path that he thinks it should be on.
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Speaker 1: And you don't cut three billion dollars by reversing a
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Speaker 1: tax right off decision. So the the has been holding
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Speaker 1: private screenings for a cast and crew of That Girl
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Speaker 1: to watch an unfinished cut of this movie because that's
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Speaker 1: the only way they're ever going to see it, and
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Speaker 1: no one else will get to. Yeah, I am, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad that they're doing that, you know, as as an
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Speaker 1: artist putting in all that time, from the writers to
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Speaker 1: the crew to the cast, like they all put in
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Speaker 1: a lot of effort, right whether or not it was
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Speaker 1: deemed a movie that would be profitable or well written
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Speaker 1: or whatever, all of the things that have been out
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Speaker 1: in the internet, Like all of these people were passionate
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Speaker 1: about this project that they worked on, or you would
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Speaker 1: at least hope hope they were. Um, And so to
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Speaker 1: spend all of that time and energy and not be
20:43
Speaker 1: able to at least see the rough would be really
20:46
Speaker 1: really hard. I'm glad that they're doing that. Um, I
20:50
Speaker 1: hope that they don't there was some speculation on whether
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Speaker 1: the footage would be destroyed, and I hope that they
20:54
Speaker 1: don't do that, Like you never know. Yeah, yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: there's a possibility they'll just put at an a vault
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Speaker 1: and never touch it again. But there is a chance
21:03
Speaker 1: that they will destroy the film because if they destroy it,
21:06
Speaker 1: then they have an airtight uh excuse to to the
21:13
Speaker 1: government saying there's no way for us to ever make
21:16
Speaker 1: revenue off of this because it no longer exists. So
21:19
Speaker 1: the money we poured into producing it is truly lost money.
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Speaker 1: That's what the whole tax right off thing is. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I hope they don't take that step. As someone who
21:30
Speaker 1: used to work for David Zaslov, I'm not feeling super
21:34
Speaker 1: good about it, but I'm hopeful, yeah, and I'm hopeful
21:39
Speaker 1: to for for you know, there's been a lot of
21:41
Speaker 1: dooming gloom for people who like a lot of DC
21:44
Speaker 1: stuff and who who like a lot of HBO Max
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Speaker 1: stuff about this merger and and some of the things
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Speaker 1: that I have really enjoyed on HBO Max, like Doom
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Speaker 1: Patrol and talked about it last week and Avenue five
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Speaker 1: and things like that. There are but there's a bunch
21:59
Speaker 1: of stuff that are is like, well, they cut all
22:00
Speaker 1: this Kid's series stuff, and they cut all of these
22:03
Speaker 1: like a couple of DC animated movies, and they've cut
22:06
Speaker 1: the Batgirl movie. What's next. All of these things are
22:09
Speaker 1: on the chopping block, especially since they're trying to like um,
22:14
Speaker 1: consolidate DC and revive it and remake it. But HBO
22:19
Speaker 1: Max released a promo look at the Last of Us
22:21
Speaker 1: and along with that, like their current slate of shows
22:23
Speaker 1: coming out, and in that current slate was the season
22:27
Speaker 1: of Doo Patrol that I think was just I think
22:30
Speaker 1: they just wrapped filming. Um, they were filming recently. I
22:34
Speaker 1: think they've wrapped now Avenue five A bunch of other
22:38
Speaker 1: gee geeky properties were in there too, So there's still
22:42
Speaker 1: a little bit of hope. Yeah. Um well, I mean,
22:49
Speaker 1: clearly they're going to be producing more stuff because if
22:52
Speaker 1: they stop, then there's no business anymore, right, So they
22:55
Speaker 1: will be continuing to make stuff. The question is at
22:59
Speaker 1: what volume will they be producing stuff, Where is that
23:02
Speaker 1: stuff headed? How is that going to change the approach
23:07
Speaker 1: to streaming Because the one of the big issues David
23:11
Speaker 1: Zaslov has is that the return on investment if you're
23:15
Speaker 1: making stuff specifically for streaming, it's pretty bad that you
23:20
Speaker 1: don't really make your money back uh quickly anyway from streaming.
23:25
Speaker 1: In fact, it's it's indirect, right, because what you're really
23:27
Speaker 1: doing is you're trying to drive more people into subscribing,
23:31
Speaker 1: and then you're collecting subscription fees. Well, it's harder to
23:37
Speaker 1: to anchor a specific production with the value that it
23:42
Speaker 1: gives you in your platform when you're looking at like that, right,
23:45
Speaker 1: you don't have Box Office you can point to. So
23:49
Speaker 1: that being said, my fear is that his his philosophy
23:53
Speaker 1: when it comes to content made specifically for streaming platforms
23:57
Speaker 1: is to make it as low budget as you can
23:59
Speaker 1: get away with, because you don't want to spend a
24:03
Speaker 1: lot of money on it. Because if you look at
24:04
Speaker 1: the this is me going off and being opinionated because
24:08
Speaker 1: I used to work for the company, But if you
24:10
Speaker 1: look at the programming on Discovery, most of that stuff
24:14
Speaker 1: ends up being super cheap productions, like really cheap, really
24:18
Speaker 1: really cheap productions. Where you're looking at reality television stuff,
24:22
Speaker 1: which just it's a it's a very big jump down
24:27
Speaker 1: from the production costs of running scripted entertainment in general. Um.
24:33
Speaker 1: I mean Ariel knows this too because she was on
24:35
Speaker 1: one Yeah, and I enjoyed it. I would go back
24:39
Speaker 1: on that show if it were still around on What
24:41
Speaker 1: Not to Wear? Uh. But I mean so based on
24:45
Speaker 1: you know, last week's discussion, I think they do know
24:47
Speaker 1: that HBO Max serves a different function than Discovery Plus.
24:51
Speaker 1: Even though I don't agree with all of their all
24:53
Speaker 1: of their um like conclusions they've made from it. Uh
24:58
Speaker 1: So obviously if they want to keep that fandom, they're
25:01
Speaker 1: going to make TV stuff. It is interesting, um, because
25:06
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too into it. But also
25:08
Speaker 1: we had a whole IASI strike based on you know,
25:13
Speaker 1: how people get paid and make money and the regulations
25:16
Speaker 1: around making media for streaming platforms right recently. So it
25:23
Speaker 1: is technically less expensive to make make a show for
25:29
Speaker 1: a streaming platform on the like casting crew side of it, um,
25:34
Speaker 1: because there's even different rates for actors to make streaming
25:38
Speaker 1: content than there is for to make like a broadcast
25:42
Speaker 1: or a movie. And then there are different rates for
25:44
Speaker 1: things like residuals. Um. I haven't looked recently as to
25:48
Speaker 1: where all that stands, but I know that it's different,
25:51
Speaker 1: you know, um, because how do you do residuals on
25:54
Speaker 1: a streaming site? Right? Um, So I'm not saying that's
25:58
Speaker 1: good or bad. I have auditioned for stuff on streaming
26:01
Speaker 1: streaming platforms and I will again. It's just I understand
26:05
Speaker 1: that they do need to make up that cost. But
26:07
Speaker 1: one of the things that they showed us in their
26:09
Speaker 1: promo was the Last of a Series which was trying
26:11
Speaker 1: to fight to be the most expensive TV series ever made.
26:14
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, are intuitive. Um yeah, there's a
26:22
Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff. Well, first, before I get into
26:26
Speaker 1: anything like that, I do want to ask you what
26:28
Speaker 1: did you think of the very brief look we had
26:32
Speaker 1: of the Last of Us adaptation? So I've not played
26:37
Speaker 1: any of the video games. Um, we have them, I
26:41
Speaker 1: just because we've got to play Station four. I just
26:43
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten into them. I want to play Zero
26:45
Speaker 1: Horizon don and Zero horizonon List or whatever it's called first. Um,
26:50
Speaker 1: I think those will be more my speed. I mean,
26:52
Speaker 1: it looks pretty, but it doesn't look like anything new
26:56
Speaker 1: to me. Like, honestly, the most exciting part of it
26:59
Speaker 1: is that it had uh, the dude from Parks and
27:02
Speaker 1: rec and it. Oh it's got Nick Afferman in it. Yes,
27:09
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I couldn't like Petro Pascal. No, I
27:14
Speaker 1: do like Pedro Pascal, and I like the girl who
27:17
Speaker 1: is is playing I guess the main character or the
27:20
Speaker 1: other main character. She's in a new She's in a
27:24
Speaker 1: new like shoot, a new period piece that I think
27:29
Speaker 1: about one of the Queens of England that I think
27:32
Speaker 1: is really cool. Um, but the trailer looks adorable for it.
27:36
Speaker 1: But um no, I just I don't know. It was
27:40
Speaker 1: very pretty. I don't nothing grabbed me. Maybe I saw
27:45
Speaker 1: some people like go Gaga over it. To me, I
27:47
Speaker 1: felt like there wasn't enough there there to really draw
27:50
Speaker 1: a conclusion. I played the first Last of Us. I've
27:54
Speaker 1: never played the second. I do know what happens in it,
27:56
Speaker 1: and I think I'm good. But um not saying that
27:59
Speaker 1: the story he's bad, but that I don't need to
28:01
Speaker 1: experience it. Uh. The Last of Us is a tough,
28:07
Speaker 1: tough story. It is. It starts on a brutal note
28:10
Speaker 1: and it just gets harder from there. Arguably, so, I
28:16
Speaker 1: think that the gravitas that we saw in the really
28:21
Speaker 1: brief thing that we did get to see fits the
28:24
Speaker 1: story of the video game. But it's kind of hard
28:27
Speaker 1: to say based upon the limited amount, and I don't.
28:30
Speaker 1: I mean, part of me thinks, like, we don't really
28:33
Speaker 1: need that adaptation, but the other part of me thinks,
28:35
Speaker 1: there are a ton of people who don't play video
28:37
Speaker 1: games and that was a pretty good story. So I
28:40
Speaker 1: think having it in a different medium where more people
28:43
Speaker 1: can experience that story is not a bad thing. Um it.
28:47
Speaker 1: But to your point, Aial, it's very similar to a
28:50
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff we've gotten recently. I mean, like
28:53
Speaker 1: we thought zombies had been done to death already, while
28:56
Speaker 1: we're gonna get more of them. Yeah, And the actresses
29:01
Speaker 1: Bella Ramsey and she's in a movie that's coming out
29:04
Speaker 1: this year called Catherine called Bertie, And if you haven't
29:06
Speaker 1: watched the trailer, Jonathan or any listeners, watch it. It
29:09
Speaker 1: looks darling. Uh yeah, just that's all I can say. Um,
29:14
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing that after the we record
29:17
Speaker 1: this episode. But you were mentioning like we know already
29:24
Speaker 1: that HBO has renewed House of the Dragon for a
29:27
Speaker 1: second season even though it just started, um, which just
29:32
Speaker 1: tells you how how big a response there was to
29:36
Speaker 1: the airing of the first episode, which I have I
29:39
Speaker 1: haven't watched it because honestly, the it just seems like
29:44
Speaker 1: more Game of Thrones, But I don't know, weird. I
29:48
Speaker 1: was talking with one of our mutual friends and she
29:50
Speaker 1: mentioned that, like with all of the the spicy bits
29:55
Speaker 1: of it, that they decided that there was too much
29:58
Speaker 1: spicy and Game of Thrones, so they cut out all
30:01
Speaker 1: of the good spicy and left all of the bad spicy. Um.
30:05
Speaker 1: I'm just telling me that there aren't any boobies in
30:07
Speaker 1: this anymore because I am out. I mean, they're from
30:11
Speaker 1: my understanding, and maybe I'm getting this wrong. So I
30:13
Speaker 1: apologize to everybody if I am that there are less
30:16
Speaker 1: consensual boobies to whoa because because because of the time
30:22
Speaker 1: period it was in Like, that's accurate to the time period, right,
30:25
Speaker 1: But I'm like, no, no, no, Ariel, it's not accurate
30:27
Speaker 1: to the time period because the time period didn't exist.
30:30
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is like. That was the reasoning
30:32
Speaker 1: I heard. Now again, this is second hand, second hand,
30:35
Speaker 1: but I already wasn't really interested in the Targarian story
30:38
Speaker 1: because from what I understand, there's a lot more incest
30:40
Speaker 1: in it. Um. It's relatively boring. Um, And I love
30:45
Speaker 1: Matt Smith, so like it tears me up, just like
30:49
Speaker 1: I'm not watching the Boys anymore. But I absolutely love
30:52
Speaker 1: Jensen Accles and um, Jeffrey Dean Morgan I think just
30:55
Speaker 1: got cast in it. So yes, yes, he's joining the cast.
30:58
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to I'm mean, I know I've seen
31:00
Speaker 1: like clips of Jensen in the series, but I haven't
31:03
Speaker 1: gotten to his character yet. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm I'm
31:07
Speaker 1: I'm done with that shows. That's fair, Like you know
31:10
Speaker 1: what I was done with Game of Thrones because actually
31:12
Speaker 1: I never really started Game of Thrones. I read the
31:14
Speaker 1: books and then by the time I reached the end
31:17
Speaker 1: of the last of the books that published, and I
31:20
Speaker 1: can't even tell you the titles. Now all the fans
31:22
Speaker 1: are yelling at me, but I don't know it at
31:23
Speaker 1: this point. Um, it's the something of some things, because
31:27
Speaker 1: that's how all the titles are. But the the the
31:32
Speaker 1: the series that already lost to me because I felt
31:34
Speaker 1: that it was just wallowing in misery and you know,
31:37
Speaker 1: some people have called it misery porn, that it's just
31:40
Speaker 1: this the series that you're subjecting yourself to characters being
31:44
Speaker 1: put through progressively worse situations, and like all the decent
31:49
Speaker 1: characters getting ground down like right away until you're left
31:53
Speaker 1: with just a handful of survivors. And I'm like, listen,
31:57
Speaker 1: I don't need that. Life is already very hard. I
32:01
Speaker 1: don't need to have my entertainment be even worse. So
32:06
Speaker 1: I I jumped off Game of Thrones ages ago, and
32:09
Speaker 1: and the House of Dragons is not winning me back,
32:11
Speaker 1: because even if it's not more of the same, I'm
32:16
Speaker 1: I am burnt out of that universe. I don't have
32:19
Speaker 1: any I don't begrudge anyone enjoying the series or jumping
32:23
Speaker 1: on board or still being a huge fan of that.
32:26
Speaker 1: They just like different stuff that I like than I like.
32:29
Speaker 1: So yeah, like you, Ariel, I have not watched it.
32:32
Speaker 1: I don't plan to watch it. I also know, like
32:35
Speaker 1: I read a headline and I didn't get a chance
32:37
Speaker 1: to jump into it because again, crazy week where people apparently,
32:39
Speaker 1: like in the first episode or a recent episode or
32:41
Speaker 1: the newest episode whatever, there was like a birthing scene
32:44
Speaker 1: and people weren't prepared for it because there wasn't like
32:46
Speaker 1: a trigger warning notice um for it. So um yeah,
32:53
Speaker 1: but if people like it, that's great. I do like
32:56
Speaker 1: that there's more fantasy content being made because that's a
33:00
Speaker 1: genre I'm really into. Um and along the lines of
33:03
Speaker 1: their d C stuff to get back on that, because
33:05
Speaker 1: I do love DC in general, the Justice League, uh,
33:10
Speaker 1: the Justice League and limited cartoons in the Batman animated
33:12
Speaker 1: series I loved growing up. Um. They do have a
33:16
Speaker 1: potential new name that they've thrown in the ring uh
33:19
Speaker 1: to take over the DC franchise portion of things and
33:23
Speaker 1: kind of try to make it bigger and better. Which
33:27
Speaker 1: is Dan Lynn? Am I correct? Yes, yes, and he's
33:35
Speaker 1: Walter Harmada. Walter Hamada had been leading DC Films and
33:39
Speaker 1: now is on the out. And rumor has it that
33:42
Speaker 1: Dan Lynn is at least in talks to potentially come
33:45
Speaker 1: in and take over the position of head of DC Films.
33:48
Speaker 1: And only that, but that Lynn would would report directly
33:52
Speaker 1: to David Zaslov, meaning he would not have any other
33:56
Speaker 1: levels of executive between him and the CEO, which is
34:00
Speaker 1: highly unusual when you're talking about a division within an
34:04
Speaker 1: entertainment department. But yeah, that's interesting. And if you're curious
34:11
Speaker 1: about who Dan Lynn is, he was a producer on
34:15
Speaker 1: the live action A Latin movie, on the recent It
34:20
Speaker 1: horror movies, also on the Lego movie. So that's kind
34:25
Speaker 1: of where his background is, what he's come from as
34:28
Speaker 1: a producer again. So uh, this is kind of another
34:33
Speaker 1: indicator that that Warner Brothers Discovery really wants to do
34:38
Speaker 1: a full reset on its strategy for d C, both
34:42
Speaker 1: presumably for TV slash streaming and for film. But you know,
34:48
Speaker 1: we are getting another season of Peacemaker, and we are
34:50
Speaker 1: getting another season of Doom Patrol. And my hope is
34:53
Speaker 1: that he will look at what has currently been made
34:57
Speaker 1: and see what what is good and keep that. Um. Yeah,
35:01
Speaker 1: it's hard, right because if you keep if you keep
35:05
Speaker 1: Peacemaker in particular, that Peacemaker has a lot of connective
35:10
Speaker 1: tissue to the Snyder Justice League stuff um or at
35:16
Speaker 1: least to the existing d C film universe. So it
35:24
Speaker 1: raises questions, right, if you keep Peacemaker, does that just
35:27
Speaker 1: become its own kind of independent bubble of of of
35:32
Speaker 1: material and then the rest of DC gets essentially a
35:36
Speaker 1: control delete. Uh, same with Doom Patrol. The Harley Quinn
35:40
Speaker 1: animated series is kind of its own thing because it
35:43
Speaker 1: clearly exists in a separate universe from all the film stuff,
35:46
Speaker 1: which I think is fine. I think that show is
35:49
Speaker 1: amazing and should continue to exist in its current form. Um.
35:53
Speaker 1: But yeah, it does raise some questions. Yeah, so again,
35:57
Speaker 1: Doom Patrol doesn't really tie into and a lot of
36:00
Speaker 1: the d C TV doesn't. Actually like, we had a
36:02
Speaker 1: flash series and an arrow series that had nothing to
36:05
Speaker 1: do with the movie stuff, much to my dismay. Um,
36:08
Speaker 1: you know, Doom Patrol hasn't really tied into the main universe,
36:10
Speaker 1: so I think it might have a bit of a
36:12
Speaker 1: benefit there. And with Peacemaker, they've in the last this
36:16
Speaker 1: in the sus the movie The Suicide Squad, they fought
36:18
Speaker 1: a giant starfish from outer space. They can do time
36:22
Speaker 1: dimension bs and make that work if it continues to
36:27
Speaker 1: be popular, or they might just say, hey, it was
36:28
Speaker 1: a good thing while it lasted. We'll see. Um. And
36:32
Speaker 1: on the one hand, again I don't I don't like
36:35
Speaker 1: these things that people are excited about to get slash.
36:37
Speaker 1: I really still want to see the Blue Beetle series,
36:39
Speaker 1: although that's way up in the air. I haven't heard
36:41
Speaker 1: that has been canceled, but I haven't seen anything new
36:43
Speaker 1: about it. But uh, I can't disagree that DC could
36:47
Speaker 1: be better. Like at the end of the article on
36:49
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter, they quote zas Love saying, we think we
36:54
Speaker 1: can build a much stronger sustainable growth business out of
36:57
Speaker 1: d C. D C is something we can make better.
36:59
Speaker 1: And I can't disagree with that because most of their
37:02
Speaker 1: stuff has fallen flat with me, right, And so the
37:05
Speaker 1: question is like, do you build on what's already there
37:08
Speaker 1: or do you clear it away and start from scratch?
37:11
Speaker 1: And I don't know the right answer to that because
37:15
Speaker 1: I think there has been some stuff that was established
37:19
Speaker 1: that was you know, ranged from pretty good to too
37:24
Speaker 1: maybe even great. I don't think anything was outstanding, but
37:28
Speaker 1: like the First wonder Woman film, especially the first two
37:31
Speaker 1: acts of the First wonder Woman film, I felt where
37:34
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. I thought the third act was terrible,
37:37
Speaker 1: but I think the first two acts were great. But
37:39
Speaker 1: you know, if if you if you average all those out,
37:43
Speaker 1: that just makes it a a decent movie. Yeah. Well,
37:46
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about Captain America First Avenger.
37:49
Speaker 1: I think the first half of Captain America First Avenger
37:52
Speaker 1: is a wonderful movie. I think the second half is
37:55
Speaker 1: largely forgettable. Um and so, so like do you try
37:59
Speaker 1: and salvage some of the stuff that's already been laid down?
38:02
Speaker 1: Do you do another reboot. For some of these characters,
38:06
Speaker 1: we've seen them, so it's it's like Spider Man. We've
38:09
Speaker 1: seen so many different versions of them, and some of
38:12
Speaker 1: them recently, like Batman alone, we've seen multiple versions of
38:18
Speaker 1: Do you go through that process yet again? Do you
38:22
Speaker 1: do you decide to continue building upon the Batman that
38:26
Speaker 1: we just got or are you going to scrap that too?
38:29
Speaker 1: I I don't know the answer to this. If Dan
38:32
Speaker 1: Lynn knows the answer to it, then they absolutely should
38:34
Speaker 1: hire him. I I agree, So you know, we don't
38:37
Speaker 1: know who they're hiring yet. It is scary. I am
38:39
Speaker 1: a creature of habit. I don't like change. There are
38:41
Speaker 1: definitely things that I have invested my my time. You know,
38:45
Speaker 1: time is limited time as a currency, and I've invested
38:48
Speaker 1: my time into some of these shows, and I don't
38:51
Speaker 1: pirate them. I actually own way too many streaming services.
38:54
Speaker 1: I subscribed to too many. Um, but I am at
38:58
Speaker 1: least I am in better spirits this week then I
39:00
Speaker 1: was last week. Because if they are trying to make
39:04
Speaker 1: a property that I love and have been so far
39:07
Speaker 1: nonplussed with better, I mean that, in the end is
39:10
Speaker 1: exciting news if they follow through with it. So it's
39:15
Speaker 1: it's a it's a place of all over the place. Um,
39:21
Speaker 1: we do have we do have something else to talk
39:22
Speaker 1: about that is not DC related at all. It's Disney
39:26
Speaker 1: related and not which is there is so much Pinocchio
39:30
Speaker 1: content being made and it boggles my mind as to why. Yeah,
39:35
Speaker 1: it's you know, we've seen in the past where Hollywood
39:40
Speaker 1: gets on these trends where you'll get kind of similar
39:43
Speaker 1: projects being produced at the same time, Like I think
39:47
Speaker 1: of like Volcano and Dante's Peak, or Armageddon and Deep. Yeah,
39:54
Speaker 1: so there's there's all that, or or Snakes on a
39:57
Speaker 1: Plane and the Lego movie. You start to see these
40:01
Speaker 1: things not not the same at all. If you've seen
40:04
Speaker 1: Lego movie and don't, don't show Snakes on a Plane
40:08
Speaker 1: to your children, just don't do it. I also, those
40:10
Speaker 1: two were not made even remotely at the same time.
40:15
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think of, well, rule of
40:17
Speaker 1: three thirds, right, you got to try to think of
40:19
Speaker 1: a joke for the third one. Um, yeah, it's weird
40:22
Speaker 1: to see. Maybe Disney decided to try and do this
40:27
Speaker 1: live action because Guillenmo del Toro was making his own
40:30
Speaker 1: Pinocchio film and that you know, Disney being Disney is like, well,
40:35
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't technically own Pinocchio, but gosh darn it,
40:40
Speaker 1: we can remake a movie we've made before and try
40:43
Speaker 1: to undermine someone else's attempt to bring that story to
40:47
Speaker 1: the screen. Yeah. So I don't know the Guillermo del
40:51
Speaker 1: Toro version of Pinocchio. That trailer, which came out a
40:55
Speaker 1: while ago, it looks beautiful to me. It's not as
40:58
Speaker 1: dark as I was hoping, because originally he was talking
41:00
Speaker 1: about how it's kind of like a Frankenstein story to him,
41:02
Speaker 1: and it just looks like a Pinocchio story to me.
41:05
Speaker 1: Albeit the original Pinocchio story is a little dark, it
41:07
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he necessarily goes there from the trailer, uh,
41:11
Speaker 1: the Disney Pinocchio trailer at first. So, Jonathan, we've talked
41:16
Speaker 1: about this a little bit. You think it's largely unnecessary, right,
41:19
Speaker 1: I think it's it's completely unnecessary. So the reason why
41:23
Speaker 1: I say that is that I watched this trailer and
41:28
Speaker 1: I walked away thinking this looks not like a shot
41:32
Speaker 1: for shot remake of the animated film, but a beat
41:35
Speaker 1: for beat remake, to the point where all the way
41:39
Speaker 1: up to the design of Pinocchio himself is is as
41:44
Speaker 1: close to the original animated version of like hand drawn
41:47
Speaker 1: animated version of Pinocchio as you could get while still
41:51
Speaker 1: trying to create a you know, like a three dimensional
41:54
Speaker 1: c g I version. So you know, when Pinocchio looks
41:58
Speaker 1: exactly like Pinocchio from the cartoon, and when the story
42:03
Speaker 1: appears to follow beat for beat the same as the
42:07
Speaker 1: animated version, which again is not identical to the original
42:11
Speaker 1: published version of Pinocchio. So go ahead. I'm sorry, No,
42:16
Speaker 1: I do think that Disney's version of Pinocchio is one
42:19
Speaker 1: of the few instances where they made a story better. Yeah, agreed,
42:23
Speaker 1: But but it's my point being it doesn't look like
42:27
Speaker 1: they're going back to the source material to reinterpret it,
42:31
Speaker 1: but rather they're just adapting their previous film to a
42:36
Speaker 1: new style of movie making. And it leaves me saying,
42:41
Speaker 1: what's the point apart from one, you're capitalizing on I
42:45
Speaker 1: p that people already know, and two you could argue
42:49
Speaker 1: this is a way to bring in new audiences who
42:51
Speaker 1: don't have an interest in watching old hand drawn animation. Yeah,
42:55
Speaker 1: I mean so that that was my initial thought on it,
42:59
Speaker 1: and then I spoke to my husband about it and
43:01
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I can understand it from a
43:03
Speaker 1: standpoint of Pinocchio was supposed to be jarring right in
43:08
Speaker 1: this world of real things and real people. He's this
43:11
Speaker 1: magical wooden boy, and he's supposed to look weird and different.
43:14
Speaker 1: So Disney could have done something really interesting with that.
43:17
Speaker 1: Even if they made Pinocchio with the same as he
43:19
Speaker 1: does in the cartoon, but he doesn't look wooden't enough
43:25
Speaker 1: in in this remake, and with all of the other
43:28
Speaker 1: c g I animals and things and aspects around it,
43:31
Speaker 1: he doesn't stand out enough like a sore thumb. So
43:34
Speaker 1: like it was almost a really good idea, and I
43:37
Speaker 1: get that, and like that kind of resonated with me.
43:39
Speaker 1: So like, if everything else has been live action, let's
43:42
Speaker 1: say that they had I think the cat's name is Figure.
43:45
Speaker 1: Oh so if they if they had cast you know,
43:48
Speaker 1: if they had gotten a rescue cat like they did
43:50
Speaker 1: for Captain Marvel or or Stray or whatever, and used
43:54
Speaker 1: that cat as as a real cat and a real
43:57
Speaker 1: goldfish and things like that, and and c g I
44:01
Speaker 1: aspects were less, and if they made Pinocchio look a
44:07
Speaker 1: little more like an actual wooden boy as opposed to
44:09
Speaker 1: a normal boy with just some joint problems. I think
44:13
Speaker 1: it could have been a really cool reason to do it,
44:15
Speaker 1: but I think that they just it looks pretty, but
44:19
Speaker 1: they missed the mark. I think they could have solved
44:22
Speaker 1: everything if they had cast Judy Dench as Figaro and
44:26
Speaker 1: had her appear exactly. Listen. I I watched the Chip
44:31
Speaker 1: and Dale Rescue Rangers movie on Disney Plus that came
44:34
Speaker 1: out recently, and that was enough cats for me, and
44:36
Speaker 1: I like the musical. That was enough c G I
44:39
Speaker 1: Cats for me. Now. The thing I will say is
44:41
Speaker 1: I really do like the director of this, Pinocchio. I
44:45
Speaker 1: love Robert Seekis. You know he did Back to the Future. Um,
44:48
Speaker 1: he's done a bunch. He did cast Away, so he's
44:50
Speaker 1: worked a lot with Tom Hanks, who was playing Geppetto. Um.
44:54
Speaker 1: I think he's a good director and I think he'll
44:57
Speaker 1: make a lovely version of this story. Um. Yeah, I
45:03
Speaker 1: think it could have been. They could have made it
45:06
Speaker 1: a necessary remake, but they missed the mark. Based on
45:09
Speaker 1: the trailer I saw, mm hmm, yeah, I uh yeah.
45:16
Speaker 1: I just I definitely don't feel like this is a
45:21
Speaker 1: a win for me. It's a miss. So, but that's
45:25
Speaker 1: not the only Pinocchio thing we're getting. We're not getting
45:28
Speaker 1: were getting a game. We're getting a game that that's
45:31
Speaker 1: inspired by Pinocchio, because gosh knows, I can't see a
45:34
Speaker 1: whole lot of connective tissue apart from the fact that
45:36
Speaker 1: the character is wearing a pin that's reminiscent of the
45:40
Speaker 1: Blue Fairy. But it's called Lies of p Yeah, and
45:45
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know it was Pinocchio if they didn't tell
45:46
Speaker 1: you necessarily. He does have a wooden hand at one point,
45:51
Speaker 1: and like a like a steampunk hand that can do
45:55
Speaker 1: pretty much any This guy, he's gotta go go gadget
45:57
Speaker 1: hand is what he's got. I mean, I would have
45:59
Speaker 1: watched lie is of Go Go Gadget whether, I guess
46:04
Speaker 1: the lie part also is a call back to Pinocchio, right,
46:06
Speaker 1: because they talk about whether you tell the truth or
46:08
Speaker 1: whether you lie, and the gameplay doesn't Like I saw
46:13
Speaker 1: someone react to this. It was someone who was curious
46:16
Speaker 1: about the game, but they did they were not aware
46:20
Speaker 1: of the connection to Pinocchio, and they totally didn't pick
46:23
Speaker 1: up on it. And I thought, well, of course they
46:25
Speaker 1: didn't pick up on it. It is not hitting you
46:27
Speaker 1: over the head that This is a wild game that
46:33
Speaker 1: is at least loosely inspired by the story of Pinocchio,
46:36
Speaker 1: apart from the fact that if you happen to know
46:38
Speaker 1: who wrote Pinocchio, the opening title card will clue you
46:42
Speaker 1: in immediately. But if you don't know the author's name
46:44
Speaker 1: of Pinocchio, then it would just go right over your head. Yeah,
46:50
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just interesting to me that Pinocchio
46:52
Speaker 1: is the story that's making a revolution this time. Like
46:56
Speaker 1: it's a fine story, but it's us fine, you know,
47:02
Speaker 1: I personally feel that in five years it's going to
47:05
Speaker 1: be Curious George's time to shine, you know. I I
47:12
Speaker 1: it would all be all c G I, and that
47:13
Speaker 1: would upset me. Not that it be all c g
47:18
Speaker 1: I can't be all c G I because I just
47:20
Speaker 1: bought a big yellow hat. Okay, all of the all
47:23
Speaker 1: of the monkeys will be c G I. Because you know,
47:26
Speaker 1: Hollywood's moving away from a lot of like exotic animal performers,
47:29
Speaker 1: and that's fine. I'm fine with that, But I don't
47:32
Speaker 1: they haven't they haven't mastered the Uncanny Valley for me yet,
47:36
Speaker 1: So just visually, it would be upsetting to watch that
47:38
Speaker 1: much Curious George outside of two D animation. Well, we've
47:43
Speaker 1: got a few other little things we want to chat
47:45
Speaker 1: about though. A. Yeah, we got time. Um, I guess
47:51
Speaker 1: like my recording started over again, so we'll see how
47:54
Speaker 1: that goes. That will be a problem for editing, Jonathan,
47:57
Speaker 1: because I'm currently seven minutes into this recording. Um. Yeah,
48:02
Speaker 1: so we have we know that there's going to be
48:06
Speaker 1: a Rings of Power screening. By the time you hear this,
48:09
Speaker 1: they'll probably won't be any tickets available for any theater
48:12
Speaker 1: near you. I know there are no tickets available near me. Um,
48:15
Speaker 1: there's only one theater in the general area that we
48:19
Speaker 1: live in that is showing it, and all those tickets
48:21
Speaker 1: are gone. So but yeah, Amazon's taking the unusual step
48:26
Speaker 1: of showing the first two episodes of Rings of Power
48:29
Speaker 1: in special free screenings. If you are in the United States,
48:33
Speaker 1: if you are a car Mic member cinema, go to
48:38
Speaker 1: cine Mark. Thank you. It was not Carmike, its cina Mark. Um,
48:42
Speaker 1: that's why that's what happens when I don't have the
48:44
Speaker 1: actual news article open in front of me. But yeah,
48:48
Speaker 1: it's it's um, you know, it's kind of reminds me
48:51
Speaker 1: of when Marvel did that with the first two episodes
48:55
Speaker 1: of what was It? Uh, it was no, No, it
48:59
Speaker 1: was the it is the incredibly failed project that got
49:02
Speaker 1: canceled the Inhumans. They did that with the Inhumans and
49:06
Speaker 1: then that thing just crashed and burned. But we're hearing
49:12
Speaker 1: some you know, pretty positive early reactions to Rings of
49:16
Speaker 1: Power from from various critics, which I mean, I'm not
49:20
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed to say, I am completely shocked that
49:23
Speaker 1: they are positive responses because I thought this was going
49:26
Speaker 1: to be a bomb from the first true trailers. I
49:29
Speaker 1: would have agreed it's beautiful. I'm pretty sure that's why
49:32
Speaker 1: they're putting it on the big screen. Also, it's a
49:34
Speaker 1: way for them to read well, no, it's free to
49:36
Speaker 1: cinem mark members and only to them. Anyhow, I was
49:38
Speaker 1: it's a way to recoup money, but they're not doing that. Um.
49:41
Speaker 1: But the latest trailer actually made me really interested in
49:44
Speaker 1: the in the in the series. Um, not in anything
49:48
Speaker 1: lad Real was doing, but in every other character that
49:51
Speaker 1: they showed I found intriguing. So, um, I'm excited for
49:55
Speaker 1: that and I think it will be beautiful on the
49:57
Speaker 1: big screen. And it's you know, it was fighting last
49:59
Speaker 1: of to be the most expensive TV show ever made,
50:01
Speaker 1: so I understand them wanting to show that off. Yeah,
50:06
Speaker 1: maybe it's because the cameras they were using. It just
50:09
Speaker 1: looks kind of like a soap opera to me, Like
50:12
Speaker 1: it looks it looks too digital video. It doesn't. It
50:15
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it doesn't look cinematic enough, like there's
50:18
Speaker 1: not enough film quality to the look. It looks like
50:22
Speaker 1: it was shot on a very high resolution digital video camera,
50:27
Speaker 1: and that makes me have a disconnect from the material.
50:31
Speaker 1: It's how I felt when I watched the fort eight
50:34
Speaker 1: frames per second Hobbit version, where I just felt like
50:39
Speaker 1: it didn't look good. Oh yeah, No, that's arial's fault,
50:41
Speaker 1: because we did that for your birthday, didn't we? Yes,
50:44
Speaker 1: sorry twice. I think we never finished it. We never
50:47
Speaker 1: did the third one. No, I still haven't seen the
50:50
Speaker 1: third one to this day. Two were one of my
50:55
Speaker 1: friends was watching it in a house that I was
50:57
Speaker 1: staying in last year because we took it my my
51:01
Speaker 1: husband had a small birthday event with a few friends
51:03
Speaker 1: in a house that didn't belong to us, and somebody
51:06
Speaker 1: was watching it there, but I avoided it. Yeah, I
51:12
Speaker 1: think I tried to watch the very beginning of it
51:15
Speaker 1: and then like I was scrubbing through it when it
51:17
Speaker 1: was on whichever streaming platform I was watching it on,
51:22
Speaker 1: and uh, and even watching it that way, by scrubbing
51:26
Speaker 1: through the film, it was. It was arduous for me.
51:31
Speaker 1: And you have to know, like The Hobbit is my
51:33
Speaker 1: favorite book of all time. I've got a copy immediately
51:36
Speaker 1: to my right as I record this on the wall
51:40
Speaker 1: of my office. So yeah, I um, that was a
51:43
Speaker 1: hard thing for me. And I loved at least I
51:46
Speaker 1: loved the first Lord of the Rings movie, and I
51:49
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the second one, and I tolerated the third one,
51:52
Speaker 1: So I like the third one just mine. I Yeah,
51:57
Speaker 1: I like, I have issues, but it's all it's all
52:00
Speaker 1: because of deviations from the book. I'm one of those
52:03
Speaker 1: jerks who's like, this is different from the book, so
52:06
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and I get that that can
52:08
Speaker 1: be a spurious argument, and I don't care. Do you
52:10
Speaker 1: do you have the same feelings about the Simarillians, Like,
52:12
Speaker 1: are you going to be mad if they change stuff
52:14
Speaker 1: for this show? Well, the Rings of Power, I have
52:17
Speaker 1: a feeling they're not really touching anything with the Semarillian
52:20
Speaker 1: so not really, I mean, maybe a little bit, but
52:24
Speaker 1: not so much because the Semarillian isn't. It's not a coherent,
52:27
Speaker 1: cohesive like one narrative. It's a bunch of different stories
52:33
Speaker 1: throughout the entire prehistory of Middle Earth. And so I don't,
52:41
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel like this is gonna be stuff
52:43
Speaker 1: that's that happens within the gaps between stories and the Simarillian.
52:47
Speaker 1: So so they're not really drawing directly from specific source material.
52:53
Speaker 1: It's more like they're drawing from the general world and
52:56
Speaker 1: lore of Lord of the Rings. Yeah, yeah, Okay. So
52:59
Speaker 1: the next thing is we got a trailer. I only
53:02
Speaker 1: know about it because my husband showed it to me because, like,
53:06
Speaker 1: as of last night, it wasn't even on YouTube yet.
53:09
Speaker 1: It probably will be by the time you're listening to
53:10
Speaker 1: this for a sci fi horror called day use uh,
53:16
Speaker 1: featuring Claudia Black, who is Aaron's son on far Escape.
53:19
Speaker 1: And that's why I like. I mean, she's done a
53:20
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, but I like Aaron. I like
53:22
Speaker 1: Claudia Black. Um about this like sphere that lands and
53:27
Speaker 1: starts transmitting the word daves all over the galaxy and
53:31
Speaker 1: Jonathan has issues with it already. Yeah, No, I hate it. Um,
53:37
Speaker 1: it's the worst movie ever made, and no one should
53:39
Speaker 1: go see it. No. No, So the thing that the
53:42
Speaker 1: thing that drove me nuts, the thing that drove me
53:45
Speaker 1: nuts is that, Um, the trailer is it's fine. Like
53:52
Speaker 1: I watched the trailer, it's fine. I don't it doesn't
53:55
Speaker 1: look compelling to me. You know, you've got this mysterious
53:58
Speaker 1: orban orbit around mar Is that's beaming out stuff whatever.
54:02
Speaker 1: What bothered me was the official synopsis for the film.
54:07
Speaker 1: I don't know who wrote the official synopsis, but whoever
54:11
Speaker 1: did did a bad job. You you did bad and
54:15
Speaker 1: you should feel bad. Okay, because here's here's the official synopsis.
54:20
Speaker 1: According to Gizmodo quote, a mysterious black sphere is discovered
54:26
Speaker 1: in the orbit of Mars. The Achilles is sent to
54:29
Speaker 1: investigate after the bedraggled six person crew awake from eight
54:34
Speaker 1: months hibernation. The sphere is transmitting a single word in
54:38
Speaker 1: every Earth language ever known, Dios. Okay, If it's transmitting
54:46
Speaker 1: the same word in every Earth language and the rest
54:51
Speaker 1: of your synopsis is in English, why would you not
54:54
Speaker 1: have dios, which means God be in English at the
54:59
Speaker 1: end of your not it makes no Why do you
55:01
Speaker 1: why if and if it's just sending out the word Deus,
55:05
Speaker 1: then it's clearly not transmitting it in every language. Now,
55:09
Speaker 1: maybe it's transmitting the letters into the equivalent of every
55:14
Speaker 1: written language, but even that doesn't make sense because every
55:19
Speaker 1: language has to know the Latin word Deus, but they
55:22
Speaker 1: get to read it in their own alphabet. Yeah, I
55:28
Speaker 1: hate that. I also don't get why the crew would
55:31
Speaker 1: be put into hibern nation for a trip that lasts
55:35
Speaker 1: eight months. Now, I am glad that they said it
55:38
Speaker 1: would take eight months, because that's about how long it
55:40
Speaker 1: would take to go from Earth to Mars, assuming you
55:44
Speaker 1: launched at the appropriate time, like when Earth and Mars
55:48
Speaker 1: are are approaching one another in their respective orbits. Because
55:52
Speaker 1: you can have a time where Earth is on one
55:54
Speaker 1: side of the Sun and Mars is on the other,
55:56
Speaker 1: and it would take you way longer than eight months
55:58
Speaker 1: to get there. So I eight months is good, that's
56:01
Speaker 1: scientifically sound. Why would you go into hibernation if it's
56:03
Speaker 1: just eight months. It's not like you're gonna be taking
56:07
Speaker 1: years to get there. The only thing I can figure
56:10
Speaker 1: is that they're trying to protect them from cosmic radiation.
56:12
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe that or maybe they have to
56:14
Speaker 1: pack less food and oxygen. If the bodies are in hibernation,
56:18
Speaker 1: they're using less resources. I don't know. I mean you
56:21
Speaker 1: still have to you obviously still have to supply them
56:24
Speaker 1: with nutrients and or else they die. Like when you
56:27
Speaker 1: go to sleep, you don't just stop burning galleries, but
56:30
Speaker 1: you burn less. You do burn fewer, Yes, but but yeah,
56:36
Speaker 1: this whole thing, like the synopsis got me so angry
56:42
Speaker 1: that that. And again the trailer, by the way, the
56:44
Speaker 1: trailer does not seem to have the same necessary suggestions
56:48
Speaker 1: as that synopsis, not all of it. Anyway, Like the
56:51
Speaker 1: trailer feels a bit different to me. Space Odyssey meets
56:56
Speaker 1: like Event Horizon meets like, yeah, the Horizon was the
57:00
Speaker 1: thing I immediately thought an Event Horizon mixed with Star
57:04
Speaker 1: Trek one and Star Trek four, because because I'm talking
57:10
Speaker 1: about the Star Treks, where like, if you saw Star
57:13
Speaker 1: Trek the motion picture and then you followed it up
57:16
Speaker 1: with Star Trek four the Voyage Home, you'd think these
57:19
Speaker 1: two movies have essentially the same plot, and that you've
57:22
Speaker 1: got this interstellar um object that's approaching Earth and no
57:27
Speaker 1: one's really sure what it's going to do, and what
57:31
Speaker 1: the motivations are. And it turns out that it's an
57:33
Speaker 1: old satellite. Uh in Star Trek the motion picture, in
57:38
Speaker 1: Star Trek four, it's just some alien satellite that wants
57:40
Speaker 1: to talk to whales for some reason. Um, anyway, that's
57:44
Speaker 1: that's Those were the vibes I got. Was this was
57:46
Speaker 1: that same sort of thing mixed with some event horizon
57:50
Speaker 1: love crafty and alien stuff. Yeah, okay, so we are
57:54
Speaker 1: we are at fifty eight minutes and forty seconds. Jonathan,
57:57
Speaker 1: do you want to do the last story? Yes, okay,
58:00
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do it fast. Okay. Candor and Ebb,
58:02
Speaker 1: who are Broadway musical uh legends, they created Chicago, among
58:11
Speaker 1: many other musicals, Cabaret. They're they're working on a show
58:16
Speaker 1: called New York New York, which appears to be taking
58:19
Speaker 1: its name and song from the nineteen seventy seven film
58:22
Speaker 1: New York New York, but nothing else. And they're bringing
58:26
Speaker 1: in lin Manuel Miranda to add in some more lyrics
58:29
Speaker 1: to some of the songs, and uh, yeah, that's it.
58:32
Speaker 1: I just thought it's interesting that we're getting a New
58:34
Speaker 1: York New York adaptation that's not an adaptation because it
58:37
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the original film. I will
58:39
Speaker 1: say two other things. One, lin Manuel Miranda on Twitter
58:42
Speaker 1: did say, look, everybody's saying I'm attached, but let me say,
58:45
Speaker 1: this is a John Candor and Fred Ebb production. It
58:47
Speaker 1: is theirs. I'm involved, but it's there's so like he's
58:51
Speaker 1: he's giving credit where credit is due. And the other
58:53
Speaker 1: thing is the people who have been able to see
58:55
Speaker 1: some bits of this so far, because there was like
58:56
Speaker 1: a secret staging of it in New York a few
58:59
Speaker 1: month to go, um that I didn't get to see whatever.
59:03
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not in that crowd, but they all
59:06
Speaker 1: of the reviews have been like, it's absolutely beautiful. So yeah,
59:08
Speaker 1: I'm excited for when it comes to everybody else actual stage. Yeah, yeah,
59:14
Speaker 1: I I am curious to see it. I also, uh,
59:17
Speaker 1: in a in a confession of ignorance, did not realize
59:21
Speaker 1: that the song new York New York only dated to
59:23
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven. I just had the feeling that that
59:26
Speaker 1: song was way older. But no, it was written specifically
59:29
Speaker 1: for the nineteen seventy seven film New York, New York
59:31
Speaker 1: lies him and Ellie saying it. It was made famous
59:33
Speaker 1: when Frank Sinatra covered it and changed some of the
59:36
Speaker 1: words and uh and yeah, now now it's like a standard.
59:40
Speaker 1: But I just assumed that that song came from the
59:42
Speaker 1: era that the film is set in, which is in
59:45
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, And boy was I wrong. So that
59:47
Speaker 1: was that was good education on my part, on my
59:50
Speaker 1: part as well and hopefully on yours. H So thank
59:53
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59:55
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