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Renowned psychiatrist dead in Playboy 'Bunny’s' BMW trunk · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How how does a renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist end up dead in Vegas and the trunk of
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Speaker 1: a BMW. Nope, it's not a movie script. It's not
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Speaker 1: Hangover Part three or four. It's real, our annwn psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: ends up dead in the trunk of a BMW in Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Who is he to take
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Speaker 1: a Listen to what the doctor's girlfriend and tells me.
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Speaker 1: When did you learn that his body had been found
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Speaker 1: ten days after I had reported him missing? It was
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Speaker 1: that was such a scary time, in those ten days
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Speaker 1: of not knowing, not knowing should I you know, how
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Speaker 1: to how to do anything? You know, just that that
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Speaker 1: was scary. The scariest time, really, I think, just the fear,
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Speaker 1: you know, be coming home. And probably about by the
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Speaker 1: day before, about the eighth of the ninth day, I
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Speaker 1: began to realize to myself that he probably wasn't ever
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Speaker 1: coming home, you know, even though I kept hoping and hoping.
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Speaker 1: And then when they called me, you know and told me,
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Speaker 1: which was right before it broke on the news, it
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Speaker 1: was it was just it was devastating, even though I
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Speaker 1: kind of thought I had prepared myself to hear the
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Speaker 1: worst news. You are listening to the psychiatrist, the doctor
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Speaker 1: and the trunks long time love and of course in
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Speaker 1: typical police scenarios they long time love with a suspect
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Speaker 1: number one. But how does a renowned psychiatrist end up
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Speaker 1: dead in the trunk? Who is this guy? Listen? Well,
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Speaker 1: he was out going, He loved his practice, He loved
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Speaker 1: you know, his patience, you know, doing everything for them.
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Speaker 1: Magic was his hobby and he learned that mainly to
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Speaker 1: do magic tricks to kind of engage the children because
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Speaker 1: he was a child psychiatrist nowadays, originally they were children.
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Speaker 1: Now nowadays it was a little bit more on the
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Speaker 1: adult side. He had started seeing them as children and
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Speaker 1: through you know, and continued following them into their adulthood.
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Speaker 1: That was rather one of when he turned sixty five,
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Speaker 1: he was seventy one. And when he had turned sixty five,
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Speaker 1: he was concerned, you know, worried about his patients that
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Speaker 1: if he retired they would be left with no one
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Speaker 1: or having to start over with a new doctor. And
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Speaker 1: when his idea of retirement was to cut his work
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Speaker 1: week down to four days and take Mondays off. So
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Speaker 1: how does a trip to Vegas fit into that four
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Speaker 1: day work week. That's what I'm trying to find out.
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Speaker 1: Where was she at the time for a long time love.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Thomas Bichard was somehow stuffed in a trunk dead,
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Speaker 1: unless he was killed in the trunk. We're learning a
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Speaker 1: lot about him that speaks volumes with me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel. Troy's Laton, high profile defense attorney joining us
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Speaker 1: out of La Just a hop, skip and a jump
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Speaker 1: from where this dead body was found at light day
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Speaker 1: where Slayton was at the time, and you can find
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Speaker 1: him at Troy Slayton. Doctor Jen Man, family therapist, marriage therapist,
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Speaker 1: host of Couples Therapy and Family Therapy on VH one,
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Speaker 1: The Doctor Jen Show on Sirius XM, and author of
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Speaker 1: The Relationship Fix. You can find her at doctor jen
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner for
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Speaker 1: Travis County, Texas. That's Austin and senior lecturer, University Texas,
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Speaker 1: and of course, forensic sciences. Chris Buyer's former police chief
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Speaker 1: John's Creek twenty five years as a police officer, now
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Speaker 1: PI and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's investigations in polygraphs dot com.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Terrescha crimalline dot com investigative reporter. Quick question to
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns, Doctor Crowns, this guy is a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: Now just fill me in. In order to be a psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true? You have to become a medical doctor,
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Speaker 1: go through underground four years, then what three or four
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Speaker 1: years of medical school, then intern and your chosen field
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Speaker 1: psychiatry for I guess three or four years after that?
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Speaker 1: How does it work? Yeah, that's correct, Nancy. You get
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Speaker 1: your undergraduate degree, you go to medical school, and then
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Speaker 1: once you graduate, then you choose your residency in psychiatry.
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Speaker 1: I do believe I do a one year internship in
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Speaker 1: internal medicine before they do, I think three years in psychiatry.
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Speaker 1: So four years of internship and how long is medical school?
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Speaker 1: Four years? Troy Slayton, did you hear that we go
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Speaker 1: three years to law school for one more year? We
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Speaker 1: could have been doctors. Boy, I should have done that.
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Speaker 1: Somebody told me that I would have been able to
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Speaker 1: make my mother proud. I know exactly. Oh yeah you
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Speaker 1: know what, Troy, You're right? How my mother begged me
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Speaker 1: not to go into criminal prosecution. Oh yeah, one more
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Speaker 1: year and of course brilliance, a degree in biology, and
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Speaker 1: a few other things which would have been needed. So
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Speaker 1: this is a psychiatrist that has spent his life in
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Speaker 1: child psychiatry. And it really speaks volumes in my mind
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Speaker 1: to doctor Jim Mann that he started in child psychiatry
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Speaker 1: and his patients loved him so much. The bulk of
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Speaker 1: his practice is them as they grew up, they stayed
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Speaker 1: with him. It's pretty amazing. And I have to tell you,
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Speaker 1: I remember when I first started out as a therapist.
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Speaker 1: I was working in a mental health clinic and every
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Speaker 1: other intern who came in would come in saying I
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Speaker 1: want to work with children, And within six months, every
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Speaker 1: one of them was like, I can't meet this because
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Speaker 1: it's particularly challenging. A lot of the time you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with difficult family systems and parents who don't want to change,
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Speaker 1: and you know, things that are just really challenging, rebellious kids.
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Speaker 1: So you know, this guy sounds like he was amazingly
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Speaker 1: patient and kind and really cared about his clients. Guys
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Speaker 1: were talking about doctor Thomas Bouchard, who ends up after
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Speaker 1: all these years of Pratt saying dead in the trunk
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Speaker 1: of a BMW. Alexis trust chut Crime Online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter also with lead Stories dot Com. Alexis, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the discovery of him and the trunk of
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Speaker 1: a BMW. How long had he been here? Been in
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Speaker 1: the trunk? And I'll just also like to find out
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Speaker 1: from Chris Buyers how ye forensically process a car trunk.
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Speaker 1: But first to you, Alexis, So, he had been missing
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Speaker 1: for about ten days and not related as car was
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Speaker 1: found abandoned on the side of the road in Las Vegas,
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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood, and it was very clear when you
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Speaker 1: looked inside the car that something had happened. Why would
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Speaker 1: you look in the car? If I see a car
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Speaker 1: by the side of the street, I don't get out
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Speaker 1: of my car and go try to look in the trunk.
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Speaker 1: I believe the police were called because it had been
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Speaker 1: abandoned for so many days. Okay, So why didn't they
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Speaker 1: just put a boot on it in a yellow ticket? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think when you see blood in a car, it
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Speaker 1: makes you think something happened. They saw blood on the interior, right, Yes,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't. Yes, there was blood in the interior of
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Speaker 1: the Alexis Ros, You're giving me a renewed interest for
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Speaker 1: playing twenty questions. So the police get called because there's
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Speaker 1: an abandoned BMW. The police get there and in plane view,
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Speaker 1: and I am emphasizing those words because I know Troy
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Speaker 1: Slaton is listening. In the veteran defense attorney, plane view
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Speaker 1: has a legal meaning. For instance, if a cop goes
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Speaker 1: by your car, parks on the street, and in plane
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Speaker 1: view he sees a line of coke on the dash,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's she can totally get in your car
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Speaker 1: and impound it and get the evidence. Because they see
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Speaker 1: evidence of a crime, they don't need a search warrant.
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Speaker 1: It is in plane view. Generally, whatever a ordinary citizen
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Speaker 1: and civilian can do, a cop can do without a warrant.
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Speaker 1: Agree or disagree, choice light I And the reason why
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Speaker 1: this is so important is because if the police gather
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Speaker 1: evidence illegally, then it's and all the evidence that flows
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Speaker 1: from that would be fruit of the poisonous tree, and
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Speaker 1: that evidence and everything that flowed from it could be
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Speaker 1: excluded from any criminal trial that follows. Right. For instance,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to give an example when I'm speaking with YOURRS.
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Speaker 1: If CoP's breaking a home without a warrant and it's
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Speaker 1: not an emergency extent circumstances. And there they find evidence
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Speaker 1: of another crime. Let's just say they find cocaine with
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Speaker 1: a delivery address. They go to that location and find
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Speaker 1: a drug lord. No, you can't arrest a drug lord
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Speaker 1: because the original evidence is fruit from the poisonous tree,
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Speaker 1: an illegal search. He's correct again Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: So cops see Alexis Terres chuck blood in the BMW.
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Speaker 1: That leads them legally to open the car trunk. And
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Speaker 1: when they opened the car trunk what alexis well, and
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Speaker 1: they could they could see the blood. There's also been
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Speaker 1: a rock thrown through the window of the car as
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Speaker 1: it was on the side of the road, and so
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Speaker 1: that also is suspicious as well, and thrown into the car,
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Speaker 1: not thrown out um. And in the trunk they find
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Speaker 1: the body of doctor Burchard to you, doctor Kennel, Crown's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Chief Medical exam or Travis County. That's a fine
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Speaker 1: kettle of fish. You've got a dead body in the
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Speaker 1: trunk that's been in there in Vegas heat for a day,
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Speaker 1: days and days. What do you do? So the body's
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Speaker 1: probably going to be markedly decomposed, bloating with green discoloration
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Speaker 1: and skin. Oh well, white, white, white, white, white, white, white.
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Speaker 1: What you just reeled it all off so quickly. What
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Speaker 1: did you say the first thing? You say, in the
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Speaker 1: heat in the trunk, it's going to make the body decomposed.
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Speaker 1: You're going to decompose no matter what. But in the heat,
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Speaker 1: you're going to decompose more rapidly. So you said markedly
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Speaker 1: decomposed or marginally decomposed, markedly market Then I heard something
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Speaker 1: about either green or purple. Yeah, the body will turn
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Speaker 1: kind of a greaming coloration, the skin will start slipping off.
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Speaker 1: Then it will start bloating from the decomposition gases. So
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Speaker 1: the body does that happen? And then what does the
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Speaker 1: body bloat? Because you have bacteria in your body right now,
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Speaker 1: it's sitting in there kind of kept in check by
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Speaker 1: your body. But once you die, the bacteria no wonder
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Speaker 1: has the restraint put on it, and then it begins
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Speaker 1: breaking you down. And when it's breaking you down, it
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Speaker 1: starts forming gas. And the gas that form results in
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Speaker 1: the bloating of the body. You know how I always
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Speaker 1: explain it to a jury, why a body bloated. I
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Speaker 1: would use a piece of fruit, like a banana or
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Speaker 1: an apple. When it starts to quote go bad, you
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Speaker 1: smell it and it starts looking different, it turns the color. Well,
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Speaker 1: if that's sounding inside your body, those gases and the
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Speaker 1: same ones that make a banana smell are gathering inside
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Speaker 1: your body with nowhere to go, so your body bloats.
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Speaker 1: That's a very rudimentary explanation, but that's how I can
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Speaker 1: understand it. Do you think in just ten days after
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Speaker 1: kennel cry that there can be an ID of the body,
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Speaker 1: or because it's been in the trunk? Is it so
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Speaker 1: as you say, markedly decomposed, you can't make an ID. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so it would be difficult to do a visual idea
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Speaker 1: at that point. He would probably have to rely on
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Speaker 1: fingerprints and hope that there was fingerprints available to run
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Speaker 1: them against, or then go with dental records or DNA
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Speaker 1: and if there's a presumptive ID to make the identification
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Speaker 1: to Chris Buyer's for em Police Chevy John's Creek at
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Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's Investigations at polygraph dot com. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen a case like this body in a trunk? I
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Speaker 1: absolutely have and it's as bad in this Georgia heat
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Speaker 1: as it is up there as well. Had one there
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Speaker 1: was in a trunk several days, and you know, besides
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Speaker 1: the point of view, you can smell that after several days.
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Speaker 1: I've been to houses an apartment here in Atlanta, and
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Speaker 1: a body's been inside long enough you could smell it
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Speaker 1: from outside the door. How far away can you smell it?
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee if you're standing the trunk of the cars,
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Speaker 1: you can smell it after ten days, because again I've
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Speaker 1: smelled it in front doors and found bodies and living rooms,
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Speaker 1: in bedrooms decomposed. So and if the smell, you'll never forget.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that because people have asked me,
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Speaker 1: how do you know you're smelling a dead body? And
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Speaker 1: I always say, you know what. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: you know it's kind of like, or at least from me,
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Speaker 1: when you see a snake on the side of the street,
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Speaker 1: you immediately know get away from that. How do you know?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know I guess evolutionary instinct.
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Speaker 1: Alexa's terrest check. I'm a little bit embarrassed for you
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Speaker 1: because you did not mention the stinch that must have
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Speaker 1: been coming out of that trunk. Any cop and his
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Speaker 1: right mine would open it up absolutely, and they you know,
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Speaker 1: they had seen the rocks through the window bandon on
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Speaker 1: the desert. This is not something where it was. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they didn't think it was a car accident, you know.
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Speaker 1: And the people had gotten in another car and ridden
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Speaker 1: away and just run and come back later for their car.
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Speaker 1: So while all this is happening, a renowned child psychiatrist
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Speaker 1: stuffed in the trunk of a BMW back home, the
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Speaker 1: long time love is waiting for doctor Rochard to show up.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Well, he was scheduled. He
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Speaker 1: flew there on Friday, March first, and he was scheduled
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Speaker 1: to return befourse the following Monday. And I first noticed
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Speaker 1: that there was something wrong on Sunday morning. I spoke
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Speaker 1: with him Friday, and we texted on Saturday, and I
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Speaker 1: began to feel that there was something wrong on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: But I had received a couple of texts in the
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Speaker 1: afternoon that I just knew were not him. You know,
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Speaker 1: She's so right. Everybody has a unique style of writing
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Speaker 1: a text. For instance, I would never write a long,
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Speaker 1: verbet text. I try to make it as short and
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Speaker 1: brief as possible, even cutting letters out of words to him,
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Speaker 1: and to make it quick. Well, she knew immediately this
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Speaker 1: was not his style of writing. Listen to what Judy
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Speaker 1: tells me. The vocabulary wasn't his vocabulary. It was more
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Speaker 1: of an ed you came to it. Just it just
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Speaker 1: wasn't him. I could just tell it wasn't him talking
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Speaker 1: or texting me. And I said, so, I said, you know,
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Speaker 1: all the time, I don't believe this is you. You
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Speaker 1: need to call me. And then after that the phone did.
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Speaker 1: And early Sunday morning that same day, I woke up
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Speaker 1: very early, about five or so in the morning, just
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Speaker 1: thirty five, just feeling something was really wrong, you know,
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Speaker 1: just kind of scared, more and more scared than anything,
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Speaker 1: and than those texts in the afternoon. It really really
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Speaker 1: raised some flags, and I was worried. I didn't hear
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Speaker 1: from him at all, and I checked, and I took checking.
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Speaker 1: He had not checked in for his flight. Really, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's called routine evidence. And again I don't
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Speaker 1: mean that it's run of the meal or typical or
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Speaker 1: stereotypical evidence, but evidence of someone's routine. I like to
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Speaker 1: call it behavioral evidence Troice Layton. Of course, you, as
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Speaker 1: an expert defense attorney, can't slice all sorts of holes
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Speaker 1: in this. But when someone has a routine, For instance,
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Speaker 1: I get up every morning, I packed the children's snacks,
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Speaker 1: I loaded the car to take them to school, I
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Speaker 1: get my mon breakfast ready, I start looking at crimes
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Speaker 1: all across the country, and then I enjoy cleaning out
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Speaker 1: the guinea pig cage. That is a routine that has
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Speaker 1: strictly followed. If I were to suddenly decide, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the hair salon, or I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go to an early morning eatery and not
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Speaker 1: take my children to school this morning, that would be
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Speaker 1: contrary to a routine, right it would, and that would
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Speaker 1: be admissible. Evidence of someone's routine or habit is admissible
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Speaker 1: in order to show their conformity therewith and any deviation
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Speaker 1: from that could be important evidence for a jury. Of course,
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Speaker 1: a defense a journey like yourself can slice it up
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Speaker 1: like a Thanksgiving turkey, because just because you have routine
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're always going to follow it. Absolutely and
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Speaker 1: certainly that would be important and compelling evidence for a jury,
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Speaker 1: and someone can certainly argue that there is no textbook
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Speaker 1: on the way that tells you, I was just waiting
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Speaker 1: for you to pull that out of the moth balls.
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Speaker 1: There's no text if there is no textbook for the
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Speaker 1: way that somebody is supposed to act, especially when somebody
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Speaker 1: is paying for somebody else to to have a luxury
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Speaker 1: apartment for somebody that they're not married to. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Guys the girlfriend the Longtime Love Judy.
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Speaker 1: She knows in her heart something's wrong, she can't identify it.
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Speaker 1: Listen to The Long Time Loved Earl Day, I still
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Speaker 1: hadn't hurt from him, and his flight was due I
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Speaker 1: think around one forty, and so I decided to go
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Speaker 1: to the airport to meet the plane. He had his card,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the long term parking lot there, but
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Speaker 1: I still I went with my son to meet the plane.
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Speaker 1: I I just felt something was wrong and I needed to,
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Speaker 1: you know, check, And I watched every single person come
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Speaker 1: off the plane and it wasn't him. And by this
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Speaker 1: time I'm very, very concerned, and I speak with the
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Speaker 1: gate agent and they checked and he had never checked
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Speaker 1: in for his flight, and he wasn't on the flight,
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Speaker 1: and then I knew something was, you know, just horrible.
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Speaker 1: I going to Aunt to ask did he explain why
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Speaker 1: he was going to Vegas for three days? Listen? Well,
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Speaker 1: some of it I don't really want to say, you know,
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Speaker 1: until the trial and everything that some of it was
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Speaker 1: the business business? What kind of business? Lands you dead?
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Speaker 1: And the trunk of a BMW? I mean, Dactor jen Man,
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Speaker 1: I'm all for trust. In fact, my husband's out of
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Speaker 1: town right now. He had to go on a business
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Speaker 1: trip for guess what three days? Oh, you know what.
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Speaker 1: It just keeps going through my head, the three hour
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Speaker 1: tour from Gilligan's Island. Why is there was three Something
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Speaker 1: that's something for me to think about in all my
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Speaker 1: spare time. So, doctor jen Man, when do you start
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Speaker 1: checking out what your husband's doing and when do you
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Speaker 1: decide not to worry about it? Well, I think when
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Speaker 1: your gut instinct says, oh, something's wrong. I'm a big
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Speaker 1: believer in listening to the gut instinct. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all read Gavin de Becker's book The
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Speaker 1: Gift of Sphere, where he talking about that gut instinct
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Speaker 1: tends to be based on a thousand different things that
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Speaker 1: our unconscious mind picked up that was actually concrete evidence
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Speaker 1: that we haven't fully made sense of. And I think
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Speaker 1: that when your gut goes something doesn't feel right, that's
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Speaker 1: when you start checking in, because our guts tend to
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Speaker 1: be pretty on target when we listen. And Jim, and
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Speaker 1: did I ever tell you about the time I read
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Speaker 1: my husband's email just for the fun of it. I
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Speaker 1: thought I was going to die so boring? Oh cool?
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Speaker 1: Never again? It was awful. One business email after the next. Oh,
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Speaker 1: it's like reading a tax audit. Long story short, What
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Speaker 1: business does this guy, a psychiatrist have in Vegas? To you?
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Speaker 1: Alexas Terreschuk? Wasn't his practice? Wasn't it in California? In
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Speaker 1: practice was in California? He had been to Vegas several
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Speaker 1: times for large medical conferences. Did you say conferences? Now?
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Speaker 1: Right there? The hair on the back of my neck
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Speaker 1: just goes up, because isn't it true? Chris Buyers, your
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Speaker 1: former police chief, twenty five years on the force. Now
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Speaker 1: you're a PI and I bet you do a lot
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Speaker 1: of divorces. How often have you heard he went to
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Speaker 1: a conference? Please? Oh, yes, a lot of conferences. The
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Speaker 1: conference starts lots of problems, for sure, a lot of conferences.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's not even really a conference. That's why you
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Speaker 1: have Google ladies to look up and find out if
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Speaker 1: there's a conference. So sometimes he goes for conferences, but
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Speaker 1: we find out a lot more was going on in Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen. He had helped a lot of women,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, men and women with
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Speaker 1: you know, they were down on their lock or you know,
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Speaker 1: he would help them to pay their rent or their
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Speaker 1: car payments, or get the medicine that they needed, you know,
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Speaker 1: rather than going through and I told him, you know,
23:53
Speaker 1: lots of times he probably would be better off, you know,
23:55
Speaker 1: going through a charity bit. Now he would directly help
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Speaker 1: them make sure that, you know, they got what they needed.
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Speaker 1: So hold on just a moment, Alexis terres Chuck, He's
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Speaker 1: not just going to Vegas for a medical conferences. I'm
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Speaker 1: so glad you tell me about the medical conferences. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean by quote helping a lot of women,
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Speaker 1: such as with car payments or rent sounds like a
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Speaker 1: honey trap. I would usually use the word sugar daddy.
24:30
Speaker 1: In this case. This would be a wealthy older man
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Speaker 1: taking care of younger women, beautiful younger women, and that
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Speaker 1: seemed to be the case here. He was paying for
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Speaker 1: multiple women and she did. His fiance and long term
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Speaker 1: partner said that there were men too, but that he
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Speaker 1: was very, very generous with his money. He had plenty
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Speaker 1: of money. He'd worked at the doctor for forty years
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Speaker 1: in California, was very wealthy and was very generous with
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Speaker 1: things that he paid for other people. Usually that's called
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Speaker 1: a sugar daddy. You know. Troice Lytton, veteran criminal defense
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Speaker 1: attorney joining me out of LA. Do you remember the
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Speaker 1: time in your career that you totally realize you were jaded?
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Speaker 1: Because when I hear of this renowned psychiatrist helping beautiful, young,
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Speaker 1: glamorous playboy playmates, I immediately think the worst. Well, he
25:29
Speaker 1: certainly you can't accuse him of not being a sophisticated
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Speaker 1: individual where he didn't know what he was doing. In fact,
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Speaker 1: statements from his long time partner, Miss Earp, say that
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Speaker 1: when she confronted him with the over three hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars that he had spent over the years, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: choked on that go ahead that he said he knew
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Speaker 1: what he was doing and he could afford it. So
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Speaker 1: when I get that figure right, three hundred thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. And so, Nancy, this was not
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Speaker 1: a person who didn't know what he was doing, and
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Speaker 1: he was obviously. I don't know that I would call
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Speaker 1: that sophisticated just because you've got an MD at the
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Speaker 1: end of your name. If you're supporting women in Vegas
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Speaker 1: to the tuna three hundred thousand dollars, as a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, I don't think that's smart at all, doctor
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Speaker 1: gin Man. I have a friend, Well, let me say,
26:31
Speaker 1: an acquaintance has a wonderful marriage, leaves the wife because
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Speaker 1: he falls in love with a stripper who then uses
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Speaker 1: him to pay her children's private school, and then when
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Speaker 1: they all graduate, she dumps him. By this time, he's
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Speaker 1: lost his marriage, he's lost his stockbroker trader certificate, he's
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Speaker 1: gone bankrupt, and he's living in the basement of a
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Speaker 1: college fraternity brother. When I believe and ever learn, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I see things like this all the time. You know,
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Speaker 1: one of the things good? Which wrong with you? People?
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Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, Chris Buyers a choice Layton, Do you think
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Speaker 1: a stripper is in love with you never mind. No,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they stripper is in love with me personally.
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Speaker 1: I've never been to a strip club. My wife for
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Speaker 1: twenty five years. Yeah, John, bless you, and I've only
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Speaker 1: been to strip clubs um with a subpoena in my
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Speaker 1: hand looking for somebody. And I also went in the
27:37
Speaker 1: daylight hours and they're really nasty with the lights on.
27:41
Speaker 1: But that's a whole nother cannon worms. What is wrong
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Speaker 1: with these people? Jim Man, No wants by the way,
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Speaker 1: what Crowns what I said? No one wants to get
27:53
Speaker 1: in potago. I mean, you know, skin surface infections, My goodness.
27:56
Speaker 1: Those strip clubs, I'm sure are very unclean. Who wants
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Speaker 1: to go in there. Now here's a true expert. He
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Speaker 1: can work in a skin condition into a stripper on
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Speaker 1: a pole. Okay, go ahead, jin Man, thank you, doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 1: Jen what is wrong with these men? Well? I think
28:12
Speaker 1: that you know, I remember a friend who kind of
28:16
Speaker 1: like you were saying, an acquaintance that I that I
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Speaker 1: once knew, who was having an affair with a much
28:22
Speaker 1: younger woman. And what he kind of said was, when
28:25
Speaker 1: I see myself reflected in this young, much younger woman's eyes.
28:30
Speaker 1: I feel young, and I think that a lot of
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Speaker 1: these men who make choices like their are guys who
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Speaker 1: are feeling the clock ticking. They're feeling they're getting older,
28:41
Speaker 1: They're feeling afraid that they're going to be dying soon.
28:45
Speaker 1: They're feeling like they've lost the dying. I feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm going to look right now Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: How is this going all wrong? Alexis Tourez Chuck is
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Speaker 1: one of the women that he was helping named Kelsey Turner. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and guys, Kelsey Turner, is she or is she not?
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Speaker 1: A playboy playmate? Alexis? She has a playboy model. There's
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a difference between the two. Potato
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Speaker 1: and I say potato. So you're telling me there's a
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Speaker 1: difference between a playboy playmate and a playboy model. Or
29:41
Speaker 1: guess what they don't teach that at law school. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventeen. This is a friend
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Speaker 1: of Kelsey Turners named Logan Kennison speaking to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Access Hollywood. Would you say Tom Brushard was Kelsey's
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Speaker 1: sugar daddy. I told him, I said, you know, like
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Speaker 1: thinking might be taking advantage and he said, well, that's okay,
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Speaker 1: I can afford it, but none of them life this
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner, Kelsey Turner, it's my understanding, less terres Chuck.
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Speaker 1: They renowned psychiatrist is paying not only for an apartment
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Speaker 1: but at home for her and Selena's gip. He was
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Speaker 1: and he had given her money cash over the years,
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Speaker 1: not just a little amount like hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 1: dollars just to her. Boy, that is some friend. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ten. This is our friends
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Speaker 1: at k SBW. Kelsey Turner, no stranger to posing for
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Speaker 1: the camera, now posing for her criminal mug shot. Accused
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Speaker 1: of brutally beating a man who Peter rent and showered
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Speaker 1: her with money about three hundred thousand that I know about,
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Speaker 1: and possibly more, possibly more. Well, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: ks n VNS three Vegas our cut fourteen. The suspect
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Speaker 1: is twenty five year old Kelsey Turner was listed as
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Speaker 1: a public figure on Instagram, a model and actress with
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Speaker 1: more than one hundred thousand followers. What is her relationship
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Speaker 1: with the victim? There is a relationship. At this point,
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Speaker 1: the investigation is extremely active and ongoing, so I'm not
31:31
Speaker 1: going to get into any specifics regarding them. A man
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Speaker 1: who knew the doctor tells the NBC station in Monterey,
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Speaker 1: Burchard was paying the rent on this home in California
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Speaker 1: where Turner, her kids, and her mom once lived, and
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Speaker 1: was giving them cash and he were from two to
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Speaker 1: four thousand a week easily. He told me. He met
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Speaker 1: Kelsey on the website and met up with her, and
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Speaker 1: they talked, and they went and had dinner a few times,
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Speaker 1: he says. Eventually Turner and her family were a did
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Speaker 1: when Burchard stopped paying rent. She moved to Las Vegas,
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Speaker 1: and Burchard went to check on her. Now Turners in
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Speaker 1: jail accused of killing him. So he's not only paying
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Speaker 1: for her house in Selena's her apartment, but for her
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Speaker 1: whole family to live there. We'll take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what we learn from KSBWR cut thirteen. Let neighbors say
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Speaker 1: the actual incident occurred at a residence in the Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas Valley, and then the body was found out by
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Speaker 1: the lake. That home we initially suspected was on Puritan
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Speaker 1: Avenue in Las Vegas. That's based on this arrest record
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Speaker 1: from earlier this year. Then boyfriend arrested for domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: The victim Turner, with her address listed. I went to
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Speaker 1: that home Monday, neighbors confirming with me. Police have been
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Speaker 1: to the home several times in the last month, including
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Speaker 1: a CSI unit as recent as this past weekend. The
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Speaker 1: home also matches the neighborhood in Turner's arrest warrant. According
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Speaker 1: to that warn't. Las Vegas police say inside the home
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Speaker 1: they found Burchard's keys, his vest, and blue latex gloves
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Speaker 1: like these I found in the garbage can outside of
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Speaker 1: the home. Police also found cleaning supplies, blood, a broken
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Speaker 1: door with blood on it, and towels the same towels
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Speaker 1: that matched the ones in the car with Burchard Turner's
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Speaker 1: two door BMW. There was blood on the passenger seat,
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Speaker 1: the back seat, and in the trunk. That's where Brochard
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Speaker 1: was found with wounds that left a unique pattern on him.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do with that? Royce Lytton, veteran
33:26
Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Matching towels, isn't that quiet? The coincidence the
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Speaker 1: towels found in the BMW with the dead body and
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Speaker 1: all the blood matched the towels in the home. I
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Speaker 1: would look at who else had access to the home.
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Speaker 1: If I'm defending this playboy model and her boyfriend, I
33:46
Speaker 1: would want to also know who else was there, And
33:50
Speaker 1: we certainly know that she had roommates in that Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas home. Here incredible, weren't the only really are incredible? Next,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna blame the mailman that delivers the mail. I
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Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, hey, anybody could buy
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Speaker 1: those towels at Macy's. There's absolutely no connection whatsoever. You know,
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Speaker 1: Chris Buyers for empolice Chief John's Creek. Isn't it amazing
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Speaker 1: how after someone is found dead in another location, someone
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Speaker 1: else turns into a neat nick at home. All the bleach,
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Speaker 1: the cleaning supplies, the latex gloves. It's amazing, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It just inspires you to what clean your bathroom and
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Speaker 1: buy any shower curtain? Yeah? Absolutely, it is funny how
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Speaker 1: that happens. And you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 1: they just said in that last clip, that was Turner's
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Speaker 1: car he was found in. I don't believe we had
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Speaker 1: touched on that before, so led right back to that
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Speaker 1: house and for it to be cleaned up so nicely,
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Speaker 1: that does raise some serious questions. Kelsey Turner, playboy playmate
34:47
Speaker 1: or as Alexis stresscheck says playboy model, Well the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: that you're hearing Chief Chris Buyers referred to John Logan
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Speaker 1: Kennison decided to speak out. Take a list to Our
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Speaker 1: Cut nineteen and our friends at Access Hollywood. When they
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Speaker 1: searched the house, they found blood and cleaning supplies. What
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Speaker 1: do you think happened? According to Penia, Turner and Kennison
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Speaker 1: instructed her to clean the house while Thomas waited in
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Speaker 1: Turner's car hoping to be taken to the hospital. She
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Speaker 1: claims it was the last time she saw Thomas alive.
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Speaker 1: Kania subsequently played guilty to accessory to murder to Alexas Rushchuk.
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Speaker 1: Who is Pina? She is the roommate. She's a roommate
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Speaker 1: who also lived in the house with Kelsey and her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: So Kelsey Turner and boyfriend. I wonder how the psychiatrist
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Speaker 1: felt about that? The boyfriend John Logan Kennison. They come
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Speaker 1: home with a lot of cleaning supplies and say clean
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Speaker 1: up pronto, and apparently she does well. Take a list
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Speaker 1: to Our Cut eighteen. This is Logan Kennison again, right
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Speaker 1: or wrong? Speaking to Access Hollywood. Can you just walk
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Speaker 1: me through the dea is as you remember it. Kennison
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Speaker 1: claims that at some point during the gathering, an altercation
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Speaker 1: occurred between the couple's roommate, Diana Penya and Thomas. Did
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Speaker 1: you leave in Kelsey's car? How do you think that
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Speaker 1: Tom's good body ended up in the trunk of Kelsey's car.
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Speaker 1: You're saying Diana killed doctor Brusher? Sounds like Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 1: They took a page out of your book. Who's left standing?
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Speaker 1: The roommate blame her, But she took a cheap deal
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Speaker 1: as successory. So where does that leave the playboy playmate
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Speaker 1: and the lover pointing the finger at her? She obviously
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Speaker 1: took a deal in order to save her own skin.
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Speaker 1: So I would argue that she can't be trusted. She can't,
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Speaker 1: she can't. She pled guilty. Trust freeboy playmate sleeping with
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Speaker 1: a with a psychiatrist with a boyfriend into We have
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Speaker 1: somebody who pled guilty to accessory to murder and exchange
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Speaker 1: your truthful testimony in exchange for a sweetheart deal. You
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Speaker 1: know I'm not in her skin? Can correct me? Tell
37:27
Speaker 1: me again? Troice Layton whose car was he found in?
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Speaker 1: He was found in the Playboy Playmates a pay model.
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Speaker 1: I bet that her to spit it out, didn't it? Um?
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Speaker 1: And how was sleeping somebody? Nancy? If I wanted to
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Speaker 1: frame somebody, where would I want to put some Only
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Speaker 1: does the roommate, with no motive at all, hide the
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Speaker 1: dead body? Oh, she now thinks of framing her roommate. Okay,
37:53
Speaker 1: hold on, let me think this thing through. So if
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Speaker 1: the roommate did it, why didn't Kelsey turn and report
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Speaker 1: it to nine on one. Thank, We're scared? Scared? Scared? Yes, Okay,
38:07
Speaker 1: Sarah fitting together? So Alexis terres shut. What's the evidence
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Speaker 1: against the playboy playmate? Excuse me? Model? Well, the evidence
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Speaker 1: is is that the roommate was there in the house,
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Speaker 1: and she said that doctor Burchard was Actually she didn't
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Speaker 1: see it happened, but he was somehow hit in the
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Speaker 1: head and he was bleeding at their house, and so
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Speaker 1: she said, and he said he needed to go to
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Speaker 1: the doctor. And so she saw him get in the car,
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Speaker 1: and she saw Kelsey and her boyfriend Logan get in
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Speaker 1: the car, and that was the last time that she
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Speaker 1: saw the doctor alive. Quick couple of questions. Alexis TERRESTI
38:45
Speaker 1: think of this as a lightning round. Who was the
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Speaker 1: doctor sleeping with Kelsey? Kelsey Turner? He was paying for Kelsey,
38:53
Speaker 1: and he was paying for her house and was paying
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Speaker 1: for a car. I don't know that he was necessarily okay,
38:58
Speaker 1: So he was paying for her house Austin Selenas and
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Speaker 1: her apartment and her BMW car payment, but yet not
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Speaker 1: sleeping with her okay? And who had he just cut
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Speaker 1: off financially? Kelsey Kelsey? Are you on a first name
39:14
Speaker 1: basis now? Yes? Kelsey Turner Turner playboy model? And who
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Speaker 1: went and bought the cleaning supplies? Turner and the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: bought the cleaning flies. They brought them home, and they
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Speaker 1: asked the roommate to clean up the place. I believe
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Speaker 1: it's how it happened. So they go by the cleaning
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Speaker 1: supplies to clean up the blood he's found in her car,
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Speaker 1: and the victim had just cut her off of a
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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars pay day. We wait as justice
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Speaker 1: unfals Nancy Grace crime story signing off Goodbye friend