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Let's Talk About Friendships With Natalia Drumm · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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Hi there. Welcome back to, she speaks live
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podcast where women shared their faith stories.
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I'm Jamie Elizabeth and I am bringing you Natalia drum for
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this week's encouragement. Natalia is a lover of God's word
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and is the founder of girlfriends.
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In the word. She is going to share with us.
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Her struggles and building friendships and community that
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led her to open her home to lead Bible studies.
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She knows how important it is to have friends.
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Friendship and although it's essential life, it can also be
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really hard. I can't wait for you to glean
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from her encouragement. So let's jump into our
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conversation. Hey Natalia.
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Welcome to, she speaks life. I'm so glad you're here.
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Thank, you have for having me. Jamie, I'm so honored to be on
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here with you. Yeah.
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Okay. So before we dive into what
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you're going to share, I always like to ask our guest.
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Is there a special Bible verse that really you just hold dear
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to your heart that really Gets You Through maybe your ups and
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your Downs. Well I think I've had a few
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different ones over my life but one Really it's been pretty
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striking in the last. I'd say a decade of my life has
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been Ephesians chapter 3, starting at verse 17, and Paul
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tells the Ephesians and you know, he's praying for them and
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he said so that Christ May dwell in your hearts through faith and
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I pray that you being rooted and established in love, may have
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power together with all the Lord's people to grasp, how
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wide, and long and high and deep is the love of Christ.
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And to know that this love surpasses knowledge that you may
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be filled to the measure of all of the fullness of God.
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And I have I've just really clung to that because it can
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always feel like, you know, there's so much happening in my
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life and really the most important thing is that I'm
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rooted and established in him and that if I can stay there
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with him abide in him and be rooted in him, all the rest of
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the stuff kind of gets taken care of, on its own.
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And so that's kind of been, one of the passages.
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I keep coming back to over and over again.
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Yeah, such a beautiful verse, you know, passage and you're
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right. I mean it's like if we're not
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rooted then we're just all over the place, right?
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So this is a good foundational. Verse that.
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We need to grab onto on a daily basis.
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So I know both of us we have a lot in common when it comes to
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the love of God's word and bible studies and all that good stuff
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and you have a community called girlfriends in the word and so I
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would Just love for you just to share with us where this all
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began. I know we're going to talk about
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just meeting friendships and community and you know, the
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struggles with that and the good things with that.
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So let's just begin with Where it All Began for you.
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Well, I think it All Began pretty early on into my 20s
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which, you know, it's such a transitional time, such a hard
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time, I find in many If you get out of college, you get into a
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career or you get married and begin to have a family and do
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all the things that you grow up waiting to do and you find it,
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can be incredibly isolating or lonely or you get out of youth
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group or college Ministries. If you've grown up in the church
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and you're, you're a young adult and you're kind of thrown into
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the world and you're like, how do I do this?
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And who do I have alongside me to do this?
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And I was working in the public school system and, you know, I
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would go to church on They but really wasn't connected with a
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group of women. And then when you have children,
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I found at least for myself, it felt very isolating and
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overwhelming. And even as I transition out of
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the workforce and into the home, that was even more isolating and
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overwhelming. Because now, I didn't even have
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people in the workforce to talk to, and so I really began to
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realize how much I lacked community and that I was craving
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a deeper relationship. Relationship with God in a
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deeper relationship with other women.
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But the culture has really sold us this lie, that women are a
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competition and that women are our enemies.
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And so I really struggled with how do I build good healthy
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relationships with Christian women and so I brought this
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problem to God and was like I don't have friends and I don't
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have community and I think I need this and rather than him.
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Give me give me the answer. He told me to, like, find the
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answer to fix the problem. So I always warn people like be
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careful what you ask God for because often he's going to,
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he's going to give you a solution but it's going to
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require a lot of work. And so he basically told me if
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you want to be a friend if you want to have friends, be a
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friend and put the burden of work on me.
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And so I began to to Really seek out friendship and put a lot of
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effort into being a friend to people.
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And several years went by and I had gotten involved in a local
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church and begun to go to different Church groups.
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And Begin to observe how these relationships worked within the
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church and how women genuinely authentically came to grow with
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one another love one another. And after some time, I really
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felt like the Lord was telling me it's time for you to, like,
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do this in your home. And so, I threw it up on
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Facebook and my husband, and I had agreed to start hosting
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small groups. We started hosting a couple's
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group through our church and then it led to me hosting a
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small group of women in my home. I learned to be very transparent
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and say I'm struggling with understanding how to read God's
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word. Is there anybody else who's
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struggling and can we do this together?
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And so we started that process and then the next thing I knew I
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began writing Bible studies basically out of the needs that
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the girls in my group were having.
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And so they would say, hey, I'm really struggling with this
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topic. What does God's word say about
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it? And so I would research it and
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study it and then write something up on it and then we
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would come together. Weather and walk through it
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together. And so that's really how
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girlfriends in the world began was just I needed girlfriends
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and I needed relationships that weren't going to be Based on the
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culture of this world, like I wanted relationships that were
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going to be based on God's word and who he is and would have an
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eternal Kingdom impact. Not just, you know, a bunch of
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girls getting together for coffee and bashing their
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husbands or, you know, complaining or gossiping or
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tearing things down, I wanted something different.
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And so that's really kind of how it started in over the last
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goodness, I would say eight years of God's really grown that
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inch. Change that and shifted that
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into a whole big thing. And so that's kind of the
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origins of where we were and where we are now.
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Mmm, so beautiful. Just like that.
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Small little. Yes, and how that grew and your
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obedience to him, just to be there for other women.
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And you know, so true about us being the ones that need to be
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intentional with getting together with other girls and I
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know that's a struggle when for me for instance I'm very
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independent. So unless somebody's reaching
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out to me, hey, let's get together then, you know, I'm
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going out, right? You know, for lunch or coffee
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but I'm not the one to initiate it and that's my weakness.
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I need to initiate it because what happens is, I find myself
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in this isolation or I'm doing my, my work, my writing my
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podcasting and I'm In my own bubble, on my, oh my gosh.
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It's been weeks since I got together with girlfriends.
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This is not healthy. And this is when I'm in my down
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time of not being involved in a Bible study and a command Bible
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study through a local church. But so with that, that's great.
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Because then I'm there every week surrounding myself, with
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other women who are diving into God's word.
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And like you said there is like, just Something, just so strong.
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I mean, it's God is what it is. That bond that we women have
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together when we study his word and I love that, you went ahead
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and wrote These studies based on the felt needs of these other
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women. So what would you suggest you
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know, part of getting yourself out there to initiate getting
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into a Bible study and a community there?
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That feeling of rejected or what?
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If I get hurt because we go, you know, in our past experiences
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and it holds us up from, you know, moving forward, I mean, do
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you have an experience like that that happened to you, or can you
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share some encouragement for that?
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Woman that friend that's listening that maybe has gotten
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rejected in the past? How can she just move forward?
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Well, let's just take away the stigma.
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Emma and let you know that you are going to be rejected.
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Like let's just put that out there and set the expectation to
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be not. Everybody is going to be your
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people. And so it will often take and I
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found it would take maybe a hundred invitations for somebody
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to respond. And if we sit and take all those
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things, personally, it becomes about us.
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And it becomes about, like, my perception, my self-worth.
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My identity. As opposed to Just my obedience.
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And so I think we definitely have to get comfortable with a
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little bit of rejection. We have to get comfortable with
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attempting different groups and I think if you have a church
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that has like multiple small groups, or life groups, or
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Community groups that you feel comfortable to say, you know
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what, I'm going to try this one and if it doesn't fit, I can go
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try something else until I can find a tribe or a community of
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people that I can feel confident.
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Eating in. And that's, you know, we don't
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want to be group, Hoppers, you know, we don't want to just try
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to go shopping for a small group or a community.
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We want to really think are these people that I'm willing to
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invest time and talent and treasure into and, and be open
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to it. Not looking like what you think
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it should look like, I think we have this perception with these
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like perfectly cultivated pictures of friend groups on
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Instagram or girls night events on Pinterest.
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Sure, and all those things are so staged.
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And we forget that there, that there the highlight reels, but
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the everyday relationships are really messy showing up for a
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friend when they've had a miscarriage.
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Is heartbreaking, you know, not having the right words to say to
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a girlfriend who's walking through.
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Adoption is complicated doing the day-to-day life that God has
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called us to do and disciple. One, another as women is going
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to cause heartache, we're going to be hurt and in process.
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Yes, we're going to hurt other people's.
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The point of being together in community is that we build
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relationships, where we learn to, trust the heart of one
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another, so that when we do screw things up, we can say, you
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know, I'm sorry, I didn't do that, right?
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Or I mess this up, or I didn't know what to say, can you
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forgive me? But we've learned to trust one
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another one another's heart, and just have built relationships.
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So if you have been burned, And I have, I have been, I have been
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wounded. I have been hurt.
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I have been burned in the church out of the church in.
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All those situations that doesn't give us a pass to move
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forward in faith, right? Because the enemy would have us
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believe hey, you've been hurt. You should never put yourself
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out there again. And what he's really doing is
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keeping us from wonderful things because we learn so much from
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those seasons of rejection and we can walk better in the future
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because of And if we allow the Lord to teach us through it, if
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I let him soften my heart and I let him like, use that
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experience for good and I trust that he is good.
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Then he can redeem all those things and sometimes we have to
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learn where we don't belong to know where we do belong.
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Does that make sense? I love that.
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Yes, totally makes sense. And you know that brings me back
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to when covid-19 aound with the lockdown that type of season
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where We're all staying at home and, you know, I just went out
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there and did like, a public thing on social media.
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My newsletter from the podcast, the listeners, and I just said,
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hey, if anybody is interested in doing an online Bible study, you
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know, let me know. This is the study that I'm
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thinking about doing and there were so many women from other
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states and it just showed that women are hungry.
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They want to Long to something, they're hungry for God's word,
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they're hungry for companionship, you know, and I
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don't think it's any different than the now.
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I think we're all hungry for that and you know, of course,
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there were thoughts in my mind of what if it's crickets, you
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know, nobody wants to and, you know, am I going to be okay with
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that? And I think it's important that
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we just push that aside because like you said, it's not about
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you, it's about other women and you're not.
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Not going to know until you step out and do that thing that God
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has called you and put that assignment.
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If you will on your heart to go. Do I know people they have their
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quiet time. They think.
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Oh, that's fine. Do I really need a Community
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Bible Study like what would you say to those women who may feel
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that way? Do I need both my quiet time and
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Community Bible study? Well I would say absolutely yes
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and one of the things that I've learned so deeply in seminary
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and is Grad school studies is that theology is not done in
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isolation. Like if we just go back to the
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beginning when God creates everything, he doesn't create
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things in isolation. He himself is community, Father,
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Son, and Holy Spirit. And so, I think if we're going
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to model our lives and they in the one whose image were made,
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we were made for community. And I think even in Genesis
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where it talks about is not good for man to be alone, we we
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assign that to marriage but it's not.
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Just a marriage command, it's a communal command.
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Its were made to work within an individual person with an
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identity within a community. And so, it could be really
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dangerous when Christians, especially isolate themselves
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and they say, oh, I don't need to go to church.
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Oh, I don't need a community group.
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I don't need a tribe because the truth of the matter is, if life
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is hard, and we need encouragement, Hebrews talks
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about the encouraging, one, another up daily, because that
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grows our faith. And so, yes, we absolutely need
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to be in God's word for ourselves.
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We need to be studying his word for ourselves so we can check
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what we're being taught and we can be independent Learners and
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independent Growers, but we're also called as Christians to be
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in community. It's a command to not forsake
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the Gathering Together of Believers and I know that
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there's been a lot of Hot Topics in the last couple years,
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because of covid and fears, and all the different things, but
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they're not new. Ruggles the early church when
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those commands were written in the first century, they were at
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the risk of death by the emperor.
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If they gathered, if they profess their faith in the
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command was still to gather. I mean to do it safely and
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indiscreetly or covertly if needed but they were not given a
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free pass to stop because there's a powerful powerful
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thing that happens when Believers come together and they
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work as the body, you know, like it would be just as ridiculous
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for being a say to my own personal.
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Oh, I you don't need to work today, you can be independent.
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Well yeah, the I can still see if I only use one of them but
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it's so much better. If I use both my eyes and it's
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the eyesight is so much better, if I use my brain and, you know,
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my arm is so much better with my fingers, so it would be
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ridiculous for me to be, you know, pinky finger, you can be
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on your own today. You don't need the rest of the
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body. No, you need all of it and so we
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need that community and that happens when we come together as
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Believers in the church, in community groups, in Bible
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study. And I think specifically in
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Bible study groups, if this is crucial that we do this together
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because it helps us as a checks and balance.
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When somebody comes together and they say, you know, I read this
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passage and I'm confused about this.
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Then we have other people who maybe have more experience or
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more depth of study or different things, dissect the passage
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together so that we don't go crazy with our theology or that
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we don't go high into the right or Skew what God's word says
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that we kind of work as guard, rails for one another and we
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say, Hey, you know, let's take a look at this and let's study
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this and, you know, have you thought about it this way?
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Or do you see this perspective on it?
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So I think it keeps our Theology and check and I think it's an
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obedience to God's command to work together as the body.
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So good. And I love just gleaning off of
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what other people get from the Holy Spirit, when they get, you
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know, something totally different than you did in that
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scripture. Verse, you know, it's just so
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good to hear what your friend next to you.
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Is getting out of that because the Holy Spirit speaks to us, so
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uniquely. And I just love that part of so
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learning from each other. Okay, so in our quiet time, you
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know, if somebody's just starting out like where would
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you say? Hey just start with this book of
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the Bible and you know do you have some specific method and
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studying the Bible? Absolutely.
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So, Especially for somebody that's come kind of coming into
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the faith new or they're you know, they want to do a
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systematic study of scripture. I always loved starting in the
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New Testament, specifically in the Book of John, it's such a
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great gospel and it gives such a beautiful picture of who God is
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and what Jesus does. And so you know, starting with a
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book specifically it from beginning to end and I always
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tell I always tell people you know when you're studying
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scripture, you you Don't want to just flip open your Bible and
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say, hey, I'm going to read this chapter today because the verse
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is part of a story and a chapter, the chapter is part of
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an argument in the book. The book is part of the
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meta-narrative or the big story of the Bible as a whole.
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And when we start with a small piece, we don't really
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understand all of it. And so, starting with an entire
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book reading through a book, I tell my friends in our Friday
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night, bible study, we're walking through the book of
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Hebrews and it's a hard book. It's got a lot of like what are
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called Problem, passages. A lot of meat could accept and
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one of the things I tell them when we start is, listen to the
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book in one setting, like put on your phone app on your Bible app
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and listen to the book from first chapter to last chapter
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and don't stop. And, you know, it could take 45
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minutes but like do it while you're doing laundry or dishes
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or driving. And here, the entire book before
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you study it and then go back in and then do the chapter slowly.
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I think there's a very big rush We want to like check things off
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our list and make sure we get through a Bible reading plan or
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I've knocked this off. My to-do list, when really God
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desires for us to sit and Savor his word.
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And so it's okay to slow down. It's okay to sit in one chapter
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for an entire week and read it over and over and over again.
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And so what I tell like my Bible students in our high school
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Co-op is there are four things you want to do when you read
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God's word? The first thing you want to do
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and where you want to spend your most high.
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Is you want to observe? So when I open up a chapter and
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I'm going to study a passage, I just look, look at all the
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details. Who is in the chapter?
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What is happening? What's the setting who's
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talking? What's the conflict?
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I mean, scripture is a story and so it reads like we would read a
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lot of other stories so we want to read it the way it's written.
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And so just observe, spend some time observing the text and you
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want to spend the majority of your time there because that's
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that's where you're going to work out all the details and
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then the next step I tell them is to ask questions like if you
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don't know write down your questions because scripture will
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often answer them somewhere else or you know what to look for.
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So you know, write down all the questions you have.
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Why is this important? You know, why is Moses doing
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this In this passage? Or what does Peter mean by this?
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And then the next step, I tell them is to investigate.
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Go look up from different websites like Blue, Letter,
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Bible, or Bible. Gateway or enduring word, what
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these things are and what the commentaries have to say on
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these questions that you have and then the last step is always
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application. Now that I've read this passage,
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what has it taught me about God, his character, his nature, his
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works and his ways and how am I going to change my life?
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Because of that you know like what am I going to do
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differently? How am I going to be transformed
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by his word today? And in that can feel awkward
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like what does Leviticus matter? My life today when I'm studying
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Leviticus well it matters a lot because it teaches us God's law,
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which teaches us God's character, which teaches me God
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is Holy. So that Baseline of God being
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holy means I can apply in my life.
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I need to watch the way that I live because I represent a holy
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God and so kind of breaking things down to really simple
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terms. Who is God, what are his ways?
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And now, how am I going to walk in?
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It makes scripture feel like it comes so much more to life in
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our modern world. When in reality it hasn't
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changed. It's just changed us so good.
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Okay, tell us about the groups that you teach that you lead.
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So you have one in your home. Do you have one in another
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place? And, you know, are those women
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from your church or did you gather them from your
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neighborhood or both? Just give us a little picture of
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how you do your studying with the other ladies.
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Yeah. So I have a few different
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groups. First of all, my Wednesday
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morning, girlfriends, In the word group started from my
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church and it was like, I pulled a couple friends from church who
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I thought might be interested. And say, hey, I'm going to start
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this group in my house on Wednesday mornings.
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I'm going to have coffee and donuts and childcare, I'll have
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some teenagers, watch the little ones and let's get together and
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study God's word. And so it started really, really
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small and then it kind of became something that as a couple girls
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and I gathered they began to bring friends.
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And at this point we cover Probably a hundred miles between
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the one who lives in the North and one who lives in the South,
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we have multiple churches and we have age ranges from.
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I believe the youngest girl is 19 and the oldest lady is in her
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late 60's. And so it's every generation all
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different life stages. Which is such a beautiful
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picture of how the gospel, you know, just connects all of us,
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it doesn't really matter what season or stage of life, we are
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in it. Did start out as just a couple
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of moms, who were kind of all in the season of life and it's just
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grown And then I teach with my husband on Friday nights, we
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teach a couple's Group, which kind of grew out of a church
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event and now hosts, you know, people from all different
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churches and we, we have like 13 to 15 couples that come to that.
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And then, I also teach High School Co-op at the home school
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community group that we work with.
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And I teach Bible to teenagers. And so we're walking through
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Bible, Exposition how to read the Bible.
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And how to study God's word. So I do a little bit of every
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age range. Both genders all life cycles.
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It seems like that sounds like so much fun and I think,
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especially like the high schoolers that are just there
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and they just they're seeking and they're just discovering and
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want to learn and what a, what a great way to serve.
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I've got a couple of teenagers myself and the questions That
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they come up to ask you, you know, it definitely challenges
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you, you know, cooking. Sometimes I gotta be like, I
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gotta get back to you on that one.
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I'm not sure what, that's a good question, but and now you
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podcast, so how many years have you podcast and how did that all
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began? Because, you know, obviously
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like you've got a calling and assignment from the Lord to be a
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Bible teacher. And then, when did he just plant
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the podcasting in your So the podcasting seemed started last
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year actually the girlfriends in the word podcast.
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Just hit one years old in August actually.
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And honestly the seed was planted probably four years ago.
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I remember when the Lord was like, hey, I think a podcast is
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coming and I was like, nah, I don't think so.
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Actually, my husband had bought me all the equipment and I set
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it all up and then I put it all back in the box and was like,
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no, I don't think I could do this because it's such a
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different Dynamic to Teach into a microphone alone at a computer
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as opposed to teaching a room full of women face to face where
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you see their emotion. You see their struggle, you
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know, their lives. However, I really just found
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that I had so many girls asking for a podcast that I have always
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just tried to do the next thing to meet their needs and it felt
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like the next thing to meet their needs.
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So, you know, I love writing I had blocked for many years but
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just found we live in such a fast-paced culture that putting
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are pods in and listening to a podcast.
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While mom is doing laundry, was much more efficient for her than
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sitting down and reading a Blog. So podcasting kind of just
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became the next natural. Yes.
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In this, you know, ever evolving media culture, that we live in
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and so the girlfriends in the word podcast kind of walks
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through different books of the Bible.
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We've gone through Genesis from Genesis 12 through 50, not
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necessarily first by verse but more big story, big topic, what
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is God teaching and telling us through this?
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So we've done a couple bucks. We did Genesis, we did a fusions
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and I'm getting ready to ramp up season 2 of the podcast.
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This. All how cool is that?
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You had like an audience before you started your podcast?
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Yeah. Like Karma wants me to start a
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podcast and then eventually get people.
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Listen to me. You like his pretty reluctant to
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do it. It was really the girls who kept
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pushing and pushing and pushing and I was like, alright, I
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Surrender I'll do it, I'll do it.
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That's really cool. But I don't know what a sign is.
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We all know what, right? That is a huge sign.
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Man. All right.
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Well I love to finish off our time together with a takeaway.
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Is there anything that you can just encourage our listener here
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and just have her Ponder on something that she can just
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reflect on when she's done nothing to your story here?
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Yeah absolutely. I would say to take away.
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You are one of two women whoever's listening, you're one
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of two women. You are a woman first of all who
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maybe God is calling you to open up your home and just invite B,
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local people in your community or church people who have not
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yet connected in other places to come into your home and to
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connect and you don't have to be a Bible scholar to do it.
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I and I know people hear that and they're like, oh yeah,
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Natalia. But you're in seminary, and
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you're doing all these things. But I wasn't when I started, and
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I didn't have a perfect Hall when I started and I didn't have
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great furniture and I didn't have a lot of money and I didn't
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have any of the things that I have.
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Now, when I started, it was just a simple obedience when God
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said, hey invite Buddy in. And so you may be the girl who's
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listening who maybe God has planted something in your heart,
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and you just kind of felt this tug to invite a friend to
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coffee, maybe once a week. And maybe just starts as one or
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two girls. It does not have to be a big
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thing. Discipleship happens,
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face-to-face, one-on-one life, change transformation.
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So, maybe that's you. And I would just say, take the
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step of Faith, Like let God, do whatever he's going to do, you
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have no, you have no rights on what he does with it.
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You just have to be obedient. Or maybe that's not you, and
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maybe you're the girl that's going to be invited and say yes
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to the invitation. Like maybe somebody else is
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being obedient by inviting you to something.
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Be open to bringing your presence into the space because
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you have a lot to offer. And so Say Yes to God, that
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would be my take away, whatever he's asking you to do, whether
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it's to invite or whether it's to say, yes, I would say, Say
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Yes to God because when we say yes to God and we give him our,
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yes, whatever it is, whatever the Capacity, whatever the
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assignment we don't go wrong, we don't lose its work and it's
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uncomfortable and it grows us and it stretches us, but we
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don't lose and so it will be the best.
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Yes, you say so good. We don't waste anything with God
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doing. I love about and he multiplies
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it so much more than we can dream think, or imagine?
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Yeah, it does. Yeah, you just never know what
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that yes is going to take you. Well thanks Natalia for coming
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on here and sharing with us your wisdom.
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Dumb and your podcast and your Bible studies girlfriends.
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In the word if you need a community connect with Natalia,
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where can they go for all of the goodies?
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Yes. Oh my website.
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Natalia drum.com is the number one place where you can connect.
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I've got Friday faith-filled emails where I send out a Friday
30:20
email for your faith every week, my Etsy Shop is link there.
30:24
If you're looking for study guides I've got bible study
30:26
resources on the website on how to read the Bible.
30:29
And different downloads that you guys can connect with.
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And then my favorite social media place is Instagram so you
30:36
can find me on Instagram. I'm trying to figure out this
30:39
whole real thing the difference between like making funny ones
30:43
and making serious one so you can come make fun of me over
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there? No I do are on there all the
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time and you just delivered like the greatest encouragement.
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So I think people are just going on there.
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They want to like you know Go get some encouragement so you're
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you're doing it right girl? It's okay.
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Thank you. Get on there and Inspire us.
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So thank you Jamie. Thank you so much for listening
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today and I trust that God has encouraged you through this
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