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Episode 38: The Treehouse Gets SINISTER · The Treehouse Show Podcast

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It's time to leave your worries outside and join us here in the treehouse.
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I'm Dan, O'Malley, along with Trey, trend Home and Trey. I
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don't know if you were, if you were noticing our sweet guests, very
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excited, Faith William orbit ish not actual but ish intro. So we don't
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get sued. When the music came on. Heather, your face lit.
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It's such a I mean, that is such a core memory for me in
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my life, that sound and the two of you, your voices. So
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the fact that I'm in the treehouse, it is a dream come true right
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now. Thank you for having me. That's our pleasure. So this is
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a very interesting tale. It's a very interesting turn of situations and events.
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The very short abbreviated version is many years ago. Heather McKinney here from sinister
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Hood. Yeah, the sinister Hood podcast, which can be found everywhere and
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in a lot more places, with a lot more success than the Treehouse.
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But eventually we may get there. Heather is from sinister Hood. But before
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she did that, many many years ago, she was what our old radio
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host Russ Martin would refer to as a lowly listener, just a lowly listener,
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just a lowly listener growing up in Dallas, listening to me and Tray
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and Russ and everybody else make absolute asses of ourselves on the radio day in,
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day out. And she was there, Trey, she was there for
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all of it. Until eventually she moves to Chicago. Missus Dallas keeps listening
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to the show on the dot fm website so she feels connected to home,
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and then eventually moves back because she missed us so much. And then and
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this is where you know, facts get fuzzy, but it's good. Then
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she restalks the show after we get laid off on the radio and finds us
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in podcast for him and says, Hey, Dan, I'm crazy successful in
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podcasting. You need help. I was like, oh, no, Dan,
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are you okay? Not at all. I'm very excited to be here,
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and I'm excited that the show is digital because now I don't have to
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download m P three's to my little iPod Mini like I used to back in
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the day when I was in college and had to listen to you on the
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l train on my little iPod. I'm just glad that you had the iPod
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and didn't go to zoom route. No. I did not have a zoom,
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but I did. I will say I lived alone in Chicago for a
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while before I got a roommate in college, and I just an apartment by
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myself, and you know, you just want background noise. And I didn't
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have cable because I was a poor college student. So I would turn you
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guys up pretty loud on my speaker, to the point where my neighbors would
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kind of be like, do you have roommates? And there they like like
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blowing things up and drinking a lot and laughing, and I'm like, yes,
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I live with five men and they're constantly just yelling at each other.
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They do have a beet button that they use in the apartment. It's weird.
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They won't to swear out loud, like like they'll they'll destroy any number
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of city ordinances related to fireworks and firearms and drinking and whatnot. But but
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heaven forbid someone drop an F bomb exactly. Yeah, they're blowing literally they're
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blowing their boss up. But it's fine. But no, I listened to
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you guys so much and so loud that yeah, that sound of the intro
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music, the outra music, all of it was the whiskey cork pop.
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It's just core memories for me. In college. In high school discussed something
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very briefly. I'm gonna you you you mentioned something I need to Oh,
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we we gotta do something. It is funny how the show opened music.
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It became very Pavlovian for me because even after I left the show, I
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would hear it and and you have to under like the just the general stomach
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acid that when that because I used to compare producing the show. I said,
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you know, you would lay out this roadmap of you know, at
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the time three to seven, and you know, stop here, we'll stop
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here, we'll visit there, whatever. And then at three fifteen when Russ
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you know, started the music and crack the mics open, you just took
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that sheet, crumpled it up, threw it away, and hung on for
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dear life. Yeah. And the stomach acid that would, you know,
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as associated with that. And so for years when I would hear that show
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open music, it would just instill this feeling of anxious dread of what's going
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to happen today. It's really horrifying that for me, the Pavlovian was like,
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oh, I get to hang out with my friends and you were like,
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oh, the abuse is about to begin. Well, you know,
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here's a little behind the scenes. I mean, we talked about it some,
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but a lot of people always thought it was kind of a bit.
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But most days, whether afternoon's, mornings, whatever, we would be sitting
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there waiting, we would have you know, we've done our end, and
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then Russ would just come strolling in at three fifteen or whatever, and you
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never knew what kind of mood he was in. It was and he terribly
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pissed off. They crack opened the mics and you know, he's just goofy
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as hell and vice versa. So it it was scarring and uh but yeah,
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a lot of stomach acid when you would hear that music. It's a
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it's a lot of shared traumatic experiences. See. Yeah, So the part
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that Tray was conveniently able to skip out on the last handful of years when
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we were at the Eagle, see Tray Tray remembers three fifteen and would keep
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an eye on the door because you know, if Russ is going to come
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in around that time. It used to be three h five, then it
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would just kind of slowly creep up. Then it would be like three twenty
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sometimes, but then the last few years we'd be looking at the studio door
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and he just didn't walk through it at all. Well, that's definitely different.
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Like, Okay, well we're going to go with the show today because
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Rough Martin's not here, so it's just the show. But the good news
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is, like Trey said, we were already really used to just scrapping whatever
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we thought we were going to do and just having to wing it right.
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But since but since you mentioned, you know, the show intro, the
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show outro, the things that you like to hear, the things that make
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you feel like home. Yeah, waited, why are you edging with that
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bottle right now? Stop? I learned from the best, Heather. You
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have to you have to you have to edge the have to edge the whiskey
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bottle. I would like to point out. I would like to point out
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right now, it's only it's only been seven minutes, Heather, and you
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just threw out a punchline that Russ never would have got because he didn't know
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from Waiting or everything yet man did was premature, including die. If you
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ever had sex from the Russ Martin, you are maybe entitled to compensation.
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I'm just kidding. You are entitled to compensation. God help you. This
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as a huge Rust Martin fan who completely like changed the way I do broadcasting
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and comedy and stuff. But like, I'm sure interpersonally he was a nightmare.
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Yeah no, no, the last person that you're right, the last
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person got paid pretty well good, you know what, still wasn't enough at
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a few zeros on as the Yeah, Dan, you're Heather, what's edging?
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O? What's edging? Oh? I thought I thought you knew,
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Trey, Oh I did. I'm just putting a response I like to do
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everybody listening, just pause it at work on your work computer, go ahead
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and google it, turn off, say search, and then come back to
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the podcast, and then you'll know. See that's such a lower way out
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of things you'd like for yourself that way. I'm not culp what's edging?
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It depends. Are we talking about using Microsoft Edge? The browser? I
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Edge all the time, which is also pretty dangerous. The AI shit,
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it's crazy. So there's so much to get to cover. But I wanted
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to mention so the whiskey bottle had had to evolve over the years. I
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don't even know if you knew, because a lot of people don't the original
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whiskey bottle that we all used and I guess made famous, and a lot
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of people thought that it was a sound effect. No, it's an actual
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bottle, practical effect. It was the yeah, practical, practical is always
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better than you know. Fully was the previous generation of Gentleman Jack. So,
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the previous generation of Gentleman Jack, the big handle had a huge,
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fat, wide cork in it and had just made that noise like you just
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heard, really really well. But then somewhere in the mid two thousands,
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for whatever reason, Jack Daniels changed the bottle to a screw top, and
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so that led to us then hoarding every single cork bottle we could get our
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hands on from Gentleman Jack because the other Jack bottles didn't have it. The
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single barrel was a small cork, didn't sound the same. But since they
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changed that bottle over the years, the ones we had saved disintegrated. Oh
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we even had so dj our old engineer slash current remote engineer, even though
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he works at a different radio company. H he was the one you saw
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helping us get things set up at the road show. The other day.
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We actually sent the whiskey bottle we opened up a trouble ticket through the through
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the corporate channels at iHeartRadio and submitted the old gentleman Jack Bottle for reconstruction.
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So engineering is in there. They're used to soldering things and instead they're in
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they're they're all huddled together and like this engineering pow wow, and they're trying
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to figure out how to save the court in the last remaining gentleman Jack Bottle.
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And they were able to do it. They were able to prolong it
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by like a year, year and a half yea, but eventually eventually it
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went away. But we found this stuff. I'm not gonna lie. That
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looks like you would drink it out of a bag, a paper bag.
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Is it fancy? I don't drink alcohol really that much. It's not fancy.
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It's not particularly it's hasty. It's one fourteen old granddad. Yeah.
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I mean just by the name, it doesn't exactly exude, you know,
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class, It just honestly it sounds like an unlicensed name they would use in
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a movie where they were like give me a cup of and they really wanted
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to say Jack Daniels, but they couldn't get the licensing and are like old
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Granddad one fourteen exactly, which means that there was one hundred and thirteen that
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got rejected beforehand. So you know, it's good. But we just hold
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onto your tips because one seventeen is going to be great. Yeah. So
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it took a while, but we found a very comparable quirk bottle. But
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since you mentioned it, I figured it needed to make an appearance at it.
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Oh it did, Thank you. You're making it feel like home.
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I mean, I remember where I was the first time I ever heard the
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show. Oh where was that? And wait, what year and how old
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were you? Um? It was you picture this? It was late two
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thousand and four. I like how Trey you dis immediately went to like a
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mid nineties chat room age sex location. Okay, well considering I mean,
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and this is sad, but you know we now you know, Dan would
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spanned twenty two years of the show, so I there's a lot of iterations
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that have come and gone, and so it does it does help a little
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bit to know that what time frame we're talking. Yeah, it's like watching
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back to the future. Where do we fall at the timeline? Like people
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that were conceived while listening to the show are now old enough to drink in
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Tray's bar. That's what's going on here. I just got chills and nauseous
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at the same time. So, so where were you when? Where?
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How all that picture? This? Mesquite, Texas, two thousand and four.
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Um, we were parked by the Lake Gray Hubbard, part of mesquiteoff
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of thirty and belt line, kind of in the woods where the only part
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of the lake you can see is where they have like the electric plant over
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there. And I was dating a guy at the time. It was like
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first not really first boyfriend, but like early dating. And he drove a
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really cool niece on Ultima and we were at the lake and we were gonna
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like make out at the lake, but we were listening to Russ Martin the
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show with you guys, and then um, things were escalating and I was
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like such a good girl, had never done anything and didn't know what to
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do. And then the next show came on after you guys, and I
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think you were on one oh five three at the time, and I can't
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remember what it was on after was it not? Well? Hang on.
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This is where the year comes in handy because there was a there was a
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revolving door slash carros cell slash couple cars of night shows. It was like
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a cringey older person who like an older guy, who who is it?
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That's the one? That's the one. Yeah, the guy that the guy
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that basically threw out every bumper sticker as if it was his own comedy uh
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makings. If you get him to do it, Dan does and really good,
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like as impersonation. Man, please hear it. That's gonna need more
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whiskey. Okay, take a couple of spaces. Honestly, t it's been
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years since I've even tried that damn thing. But seriously, I remember listening
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to it talk about like, you know what inspired you to be a broadcaster?
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You guys were so good, and it's like, man, someday I'll
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be as funny as them, maybe, and I can have a show with
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my friends. And then you hear that and I'm like, well, I
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could at least do better than that. Um But that y'all show ended and
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the second show came on, and I was like, I'm not gonna give
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my first hand job to find tom likeas so I was like, absolutely not.
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So I just lied and was like, oh my gosh, I have
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a curfew and I have to get home. Now, and so he drove
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me home and then I looked on asked Jeeves how to do all that?
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And then next time I love how, I love how your curfew was.
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When was when Inner Sandman came on? That meant Tom likeas the show was
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starting talk about dried up. I was like, oh no, I can't
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get down to this. We gotta go home. I cannot make out to
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this. I just asked Jeeves reference and thrown in there to you. I
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don't know, See everybody's talking about chat GPT is so good. I was
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there, my dude. It was called it was called ask Jeeves. I
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asked Jeeves how to do the old fashioned and anything any base thereafter pretty much
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all learned it from Jeeves. Oh yeah, so you you had asked Jeeves.
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I believe. I also remember like goes the dog. Oh yeah,
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yeah, the dog will go fetch it for you. Yeah. See how
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things are so fancy with chat GPT, I know. And that's what's amazing
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to me is now you can get you know, like a six figure paying
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job as a quote unquote chat GPT prompt engineer or AI prompting engineering like that
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was just that was just you know, Internet searching when we all had dial
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up back in the day. We know how to do this. Yeah,
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we had to dig deep, but it didn't. Google is so good it
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doesn't even make you click anything. It just popped the thing up. It
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has made us all so lazy. Back when we were having to look up
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stuff on asked Jeeves, you'd have to dig down and really ask a really
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specific, well phrased question. So and if you wanted to click on page
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two of results, it was going to take about fifteen minutes. Oh did
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you one line after the other loading? I remember all those Yeah, trying
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to look at pictures back in the day, all my Backstreet points pictures.
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I was trying to download one pixel at a time, or back in the
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day. We've we've talked about this a few times over the years. Dial
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up. You know, so videos like for like porn, we're completely out
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of the question. That would have taken forever to download. That would have
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been like you have to like start it in the morning, go to work,
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come back and hopefully it'll be halfway done. Instead, you just do
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it with a photo or a gift. But the problem with the photo is
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it starts, you know, revealing itself from the top down. So by
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the time you get you know, to the chest, you might be like,
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all right, we're doing pretty good. But then you still got to
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go below the waist and there might be a surprise in there that you weren't
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counting on. Dan, that's why you should. You should leave your stuff.
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And here here's the ding. Be open minded. If you're into it,
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let it load, baby, let it load. Yeah. Well,
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I think part of the problem and let bad about it was the fact that
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you know it's you're saying like, okay, we'll be open minded about it.
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But it's like you're mad because you're like, I didn't want that thing
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in there. I wanted it normal, and then you notice it likes why
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has it got to be so much bigger than mine? Well, I don't
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know what's normal, but if you were, I just want to say,
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if you're feeling it, you're feeling it. I've I've come to grips with
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my sexuality in my later years that I'm like, I'm into all you know,
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all kinds of people, from all kinds of walks of life. I'm
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like, yeah, hell yeah, I'm into that. You just gonna just
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gotta play it, Just play it open. You know, I'm not glad
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you were able to come to grips with your sexuality despite Tom Likeas's best efforts.
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Tom Mike is about wreck mush and I'm only now just un just releasing
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the grasp from that, from the heteronormativity of Tom like it's trying to ruin
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my life. I like to think that we've all evolved, you know,
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yeah, past some of those things, because in your career, whatever it
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is, you want to be able to evolve and prove get better. Um
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So you started out as as a listener of our crazy Pants show back in
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the day, whereas, uh, now you fast forward and you and your
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co host on Sinister Hood have reached some amazing heights. You basically are now
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Like I said, the tables have been turned. You used to listen to
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us on the radio, and at that time we were kind of like,
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oh, this is We're number one. We're doing these great radio things.
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Now things have gone reversed. We're no longer on the radio and we're looking
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up at shows like yours thinking how do we get to there? Because the
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ideas to eventually not have to worry about any other side hustles or any other
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jobs. You can just focus on your podcast and make a living at it
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and you're doing it. Oh yeah, I mean that's it's a good that's
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a good way to put it. And it's just I mean, I told
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you in my this is how we connected as I wrote you an email being
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like huge fan of the show, and it was genuinely I emailed you from
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a place of gratitude because but for listening to you guys, and also a
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kid cratic in the morning growing up, which I just saw his daughter she
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has a podcast and this whole month she's doing like an immemorial, So I'm
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gonna listen to that because listening to all that radio growing up probably helped.
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And yeah, you're right now being able to do this full time. And
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I practiced law for six seven years before quitting practicing lawful time to do this
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and now I pretty much the only law stuff I do is for the show,
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for the entity the you know that we're running now, and my husband
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and I have a media company where we produce films and stuff. So it's
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been great. Yeah, you're right, it's it's cool the way the landscape
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is turning. But you guys are evolving. You know, content wise and
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platform wise and all that. So it's great to see, great to see
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the moves. It's just great to have. If I can be so bold
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as to say, Trey and I had, now, have you know a
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big sister show that we've never actually had? Yeah, I thought of you
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guys as big brothers honestly, of like, oh, that's my big brothers.
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They're so wild, they're always doing wild, crazy stuff. Oh I
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love that. Well, how nice? Well yeah, so now now,
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so what we have now, Trey is are like our big little sisters.
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It's like they're bigger than us, but they're younger than us, which makes
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it even tougher to swallow. Well, for me, what I'm now is
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like I feel like we're the parents and and you know, she's the kid
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trying to teach us how to use the internet. And you know, it's
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like it'd be like me, go here, just use America Online. Here,
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just just use that. It's all in one. Why did you have
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to go and make it way worse? Trade I like, I like my
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my assessment, and my assessment made me feel okay with things. And you
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just you just you saw me down there and you stomped right on my throat.
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Shut up. Then earlier when you were like asking, we were talking
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about our different text backs. I was about to be like, do you
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want me to come over and set your computer up for you? But genuine
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question, do you want me to come over and help set your computer up
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for me? You know I haven't. I haven't used this yet today miss
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finds here? Yeah, there we go. Do you Heather got my first
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one? Do you feel like part of the treehouse now? You? Heather
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in this treehouse. Although I have to if I may be so bold,
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I know I am but a guest in the treehouse, White Dan O'Malley.
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Why do you have a bang swing behind like a banghang a bang? What?
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What is I mean? I am being bold in assuming that you've been
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doing lascivious things. Maybe it's a chill hammock, but it looks like you
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have a sex swing over your shoulder. What is happening. Yeah, I
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should have taken that down before I hit record on the show today. Welcome
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to the Treehouse. Excuse my BDSM layer behind me. Aren't you in an
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Airbnb? What it's your rent? Yeah? So yeah, you would think
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that, you know, at least in Fifty Shades of Gray, who's the
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guy in the book Fifty Shades of Gray, Christian Gray, Christian Gray,
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at least he had to tack to keep his red room behind closed doors.
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At this Airbnb, they have it on full display. So like over this
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shoulder you can see the what they say as a hammock but could easily be
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a sex swing. And over this shoulder it's the front door. Yeah,
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it's also like borderline live laugh love in there. So it looks like fifty
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Shades of Gray via home Goods, and it's not a vibe I'm into,
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but you do you Welcome to Dallas. Welcome back home, baby. You
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know what's what happens when you get an airbnb in the you know, Lakewood
23:45
lower Greenville area, So you're gonna get a little boho inspired home good shopping
23:48
spree. And honestly, I actually had taken what you said the Banghang I
23:56
had taken the bang hang down at one point, but then I started looking
24:00
at it and I realized, without it, it's just a rope in a
24:03
hook, and that looks way worse. And I didn't want to leave that
24:06
open to interpretation. So I thought, let's just but the bohemian thing back
24:11
up there. Get your door opens, to get an Uber Eats order or
24:14
something. They're gonna be like, oh, gotta have to report him in
24:17
the app. He's got rope singing from the ceiling, and they're gonna think
24:19
you're a serial killer, and not just because I host a podcast about all
24:23
things sinister, and so my brain goes to sinister places because that is a
24:26
low key threat. So that's on you. Yeah, it is pretty bad.
24:30
If I get my Chipotle delivered and I opened the door and it looks
24:33
like I'm about to start up a snuff film in here, like welcome,
24:36
Welcome to my ambion being, they're like, I'm just gonna throw these tacos
24:38
on the ground. By Yeah. So I'm also glad you brought up the
24:45
show again because I want to ask a little more about it, because you
24:48
guys have been doing it now for like five years, and I love the
24:49
way that you It's everything in the business now is an entertainment business. Business
24:56
in journal everything's always about an elevator pitch. You have to have a very
24:59
short version on how to describe what the hell it is you do. Yeah,
25:02
and yours and correct me if I'm wrong. Is a comedy podcast about
25:06
all things sinister. Yeah, that's it and all encompassing we cover. We
25:11
can cover anything from like a true crime case. Since I was a lawyer
25:12
when I worked at a big law firm, I did pro bono work for
25:15
the Innocence Project were our firm was partner with them, So I got really
25:18
interested in wrongful convictions and exonerations. And those episodes will be like this one's
25:23
probably not going to be a funny one. Same with like a missing person's
25:26
case. We'll just put the heads up. But then when we cover like
25:30
we did one home on on Killer Clowns or Bigfoot or the Squawk or right
25:33
now, it's not quite funny, but it's fascinating. We're talking about the
25:37
Rua Zimbabwe Ufo incident, where like in nineteen ninety four sixties school children saw
25:42
this flying saucer and then these beings came out and telepathically gave them a message,
25:48
and of course in nineteen ninety four everyone was like, oh, those
25:51
crazy kids are making it up. This psychologist from Harvard is planting memories.
25:55
And in retrospect now they're in their thirties and they're like, no, I
25:57
still remember, and I don't tell any one, and I'm very traumatized by
26:00
it. So you kind of so stuff like that where it's a sinister thing
26:03
in that it was kind of a cover up and they're all traumatized by it.
26:07
And also we're just rule into aliens and space also ocean stuff. So
26:11
anything that's like weird, creepy, spooky will cover it. And if there's
26:15
a legal angle, we'll hit that, and if there's a comedy angle,
26:17
we'll really hit that. So I think it's such a smart way to go
26:19
about it because so many popular podcasts, because before we started this show in
26:23
the digital form, I don't Number one, I don't really do anything half
26:27
ass. Number two. I really try to dig in as much as possible
26:32
research wise on various things, especially if I'm attaching my name to it.
26:37
And so in doing a lot of podcasting research, I'm seeing, you know,
26:41
you know, the types of shows that are the most popular, obviously
26:45
the ones that are anchored by celebrities. I've told people that a lot in
26:49
the past. People be like, oh, so what should I do?
26:51
I was thinking about doing a podcast. It was like, either go really
26:53
narrow or go get famous. Then start a podcast, because then you'll be
26:56
successful, but some of the most emmys and then you'll be great. You'll
27:02
just become just just become a multi millionaire in Hollywood. Then start a podcast,
27:06
and people will pay you a bunch of money to do a podcast.
27:07
Otherwise it's a very steep climb. But on that front, people would have
27:15
I just started to lose my train of thought. The ADHD's kicking in.
27:18
Also that old granddad didn't help. You're talking about niches or went and when
27:23
you wanted to start and doing research, and you do research for the show.
27:26
Some of the most popular podcasts are true crime or it's all horror stuff.
27:32
Yours, you're able to broaden it out a little bit so it's not
27:34
so narrow, because there's no way I'd be able only to do one topic,
27:40
because that's not how Trey and I grew up in We need to have
27:42
some flexibility here and that's what you guys have. It's a comedy aspect about
27:48
all things sinister, as you're pointing out, can be a number of different
27:49
things. So now I'm hearing it's definitely your fault that we cover all different
27:53
topics, because I'm like, I'm not trying to cover one single topic the
27:56
sole time, because I was listening to y'all show, and I was listening,
27:59
like I said, kid cratic show very like different subjects. We also
28:03
like tangent and stories that we can relate, and that's I mean, you're
28:06
right. That was a conscious choice when we first started the show because also
28:10
just from an emotional mental health perspective, that there are some cases where we'll
28:14
start to have nightmares about them, especially if we look at a lot of
28:17
crime scene photos or cover it for a long time, and that's when usually
28:19
the next episode after a series that's really sad, we'll be something like a
28:23
cryptid or a weird urban legend or something that's a little bit lighter, not
28:27
just for us but for the listeners because people will get burnt out on that
28:30
too, and we try to be really cognizant of the episode choices. When
28:36
we do cover true crime cases, of like, what can we bring to
28:38
this discussion from either a like when we covered lorraina Bobbit, that's obviously a
28:42
very famous case, but we wanted to cover it through the lens of we're
28:45
now in twenty twenty two, and how was this treated in the media,
28:49
how was the aftermath treated in the media? Legally, because I'm an attorney,
28:52
why did these certain things happen? Versus just kind of rehashing the same
28:56
thing. So if it's a we get a lot of suggestions on certain cases
29:00
that have maybe been covered a ton, and unless there's an angle that we
29:03
can also cover, we just you know, we're like, uh, maybe
29:07
someday if a new angle emerges. But for the most part, it's just
29:11
what makes us interested, because if we're interested, we think it'll be interesting.
29:14
That's a huge it's a huge thing. And I remember having to tell
29:17
a program director that one time, uh, a PD came in, Ah,
29:21
you're all you're just in here. This is this is not doing Russis
29:23
show. This is when I was working at the Fan and Tom bigbecomes storming
29:27
in the studio doing a commercial, breas what are you doing? You're just
29:30
in here making just you're just making each other laugh, and it's like,
29:33
yeah, that's kind of been the recipe for success around here for a while.
29:37
Just so yeah and so, and kind of like what you were saying.
29:42
As far as some of the serious stuff, can you can lose sleep
29:45
over that because you're looking at some gnarly things. That's why, unintentionally we've
29:49
just stayed with the stupid. Because when you stay with the stupid, like
29:53
we have for so many years, you sleep like a baby. Also,
29:56
you know, under promise, natural naturally. Yeah, that's the only way.
30:02
Yeah, let's not fight it. Yeah, no, don't fight it,
30:03
just lean it. So my husband says, turn into the skid.
30:07
Just turn into it. That's also a huge lesson. That's not just you
30:11
know, podcasting or broadcasting or radio. I think that's a life lesson of
30:17
one. You really are supposed to turn into the skid, if you know,
30:19
literally, but also when you know life throws certain things at you,
30:25
instead of fighting it, sometimes it's best you just kind of lean into it
30:27
a little bit. It's crazy how it works. It's weird how it works.
30:32
Like we did a minisote, so we have a Patreon where we have
30:33
exclusive content and one of the things we do is minisots, So it's like
30:37
a it's supposed to be a thirty minute like miniature episode, we can't stop
30:41
ourselves are almost always an hour or longer. But Christy, my co host,
30:45
got really sick. She had like the flu, and so we thought,
30:48
well, you know, we can't record. We can't. I'm not
30:49
going to go on the air by myself. So we had this minisotea about
30:52
mcgrufth the Crime Dog, and I had purchased in McGruff the Crime Dog nineteen
30:56
eighty four puppet and yeah, oh, I mean it's like in my studio
31:03
already I have it, but I but we we just covered like the history
31:07
and the background of it, and we release that as our episode. In
31:10
you on the one hand, you're like, oh man, we need to
31:11
be putting out new content, but also your health is important. She needed
31:15
a rest. She's got two kids too, you know, make sure everybody's
31:17
healthy. But then my husband took that and made a little video about one
31:21
of the moments in our episode and it got a million views on TikTok and
31:25
it went viral. A piece of content that would not have existed but for
31:27
her happening to get the flu and getting sick. So you turned my husband's
31:32
like turn into the skid. I'll make him McGruff video, give me the
31:33
footage. And then and also now the crime Dog goes on tour with us,
31:37
and oh oh god, I'm putting all the pieces together right now,
31:41
you guys, Oh my god. So McGruff has kind of is kind of
31:45
my alter ego. I do the voice for it, and he's you tell
31:48
me if this sounds like somebody that you've ever known in your life, living
31:52
or dead. He's got kind of a gruff voice. He's fairly vulgar,
31:56
he's very sexual, and he hits on my co host see a lot.
32:00
And I believe one of the things he said in the episode was I don't
32:04
When offered a Goop Gwyneth Paltrow branded candle, McGruff said, I don't want
32:09
to candle that smells like Gwyneth Paltrow's clam. And I think that subconsciously McGruff
32:16
is like inspired heavily by Russell coming together me telling you about McGruff. Right,
32:22
I feel like you need a therapy session with some other dolls pointing about
32:25
where you're touched. Joe was where McGruff touched you because I can even see
32:31
it in my mind because like mcgull, you're walking the you know, like
32:35
you're walking somewhere in a nice, quiet neighborhood the middle of the day.
32:38
You reach the corner, and then out from the corner pops McGruff the crime
32:43
Dog, and then he opens up his trench coat. I think she's about
32:45
to whip McGruff out as she is. I just hope we're still talking about
32:50
the dog that is that is a McGruff the crime Dog. Actually, McGruff
32:54
the Crime Dog looks a little more like Freddie Mercury right now. So he
32:59
hang on. So he has like a trench coat that he'll wear when he's
33:04
on tour. He has little crocs because my co host Christie and I love
33:07
crocs, so he got little baby McGruff crocs. But when he's on tour,
33:10
he'll wear like a Hawaiian shirt that my mom made for him and then
33:15
kind of have like his hands. He'll wear some khaki shorts. But he's
33:17
this is like lounging around the house McGuff. So he's got the regular pants
33:21
and then a build a Bear crop top on. But yeah, he's um,
33:24
he's pretty. He's a horn dog, especially for my call. He
33:29
doesn't really like me. He doesn't really want me to anytime I talk to
33:31
him, he's like, you're still here. But for the most part,
33:35
he's in love with Christie. Gotcha. Although I did notice we're a very
33:37
brief moment it looked like you have a little bit of mannequin like puppeteering training
33:44
there, because it looked like for a moment there you and you and McGruff
33:47
we have we're having a moment. Oh yeah, I do. That's what
33:51
it's turning looking right at you like on our I think it's on our YouTube,
33:54
but there's a video version of that episode just because we filmed it.
33:57
Because oh that was the other thing. The McGruff puff that talked throughout his
34:00
own episode, And people were freaked out because like as we were talking,
34:04
if I would talk, McGruff would be like nodding and agreeing, and I
34:07
was freaking people out. But I just watched a lot of Sesame Street as
34:10
a kid, and I thought it's triloquism. That's the word. I was
34:13
trying to think. Thank you, Dan's brain. I can't. Christie is
34:16
terrified of ventriloquist dummy. So if there was, she wouldn't enter my house.
34:20
If I had a ventriloquist dummy. It's bad enough with the puppet,
34:22
and I have like giant life sized Blues Brothers statues and all this ship behind
34:25
me is game over. If there was a dummy in here. She doesn't
34:30
want to go see a Jeff Dunham show. No, No, that sounds
34:32
like she would talk about needing therapy and dolls and pointing to dolls. She
34:37
would be horrified. That is that is her hell. I mean, I
34:39
don't even care about puppets. I would be horrified too. But just because
34:43
of the comedy. I always love I always always love all comedians, just
34:47
always dog on Jeff Dunham. No, I was gonna say, he's trying
34:52
his best, is he? Though? You know what those Sometimes you don't
34:55
have to try your best. I mean I've I've I've seen and heard multiple
35:00
examples of people just kind of sucking and still being successful. I'm telling you
35:05
that's what like I said when I heard Tomlikeas, I was like, I
35:07
could be on the radio, this guy, I'm fine and you never saw
35:12
him. Yeah, that's do you imagine? Imagine Trey. See if see
35:17
if my physical description of Tomlis holds up to your actual visual, you know,
35:24
sightings of the man. He looks like a trucker that you would find
35:34
at a rest stop outside a Lubbock at around three am. And short.
35:43
Oh interesting he I listen. I only heard his voice, but I found
35:47
it threatenings like, oh, I wouldn't want to go near that, in
35:51
whatever form it was. I'll give you. Do you did? Do you
35:57
remember um tropic thunder? Okay, yes, okay, imagine a Tom Cruise's
36:04
character, but more slovenly okay, fantastic, yes, exactly, not bald.
36:08
Tom did have us here, also actually despiting. Yeah, despite everything
36:13
that you heard about him on the air and the persona that he, you
36:16
know, put out there, he was actually a very very nice man.
36:20
Oh that's nice. So he was in Dallas For some reason, I thought
36:22
he was like syndicated from another city. I think I'm thinking, oh he
36:25
was in La Yeah, he would come visit and uh. But and the
36:30
funny thing is, believe it or not, Tom Las actually started out doing
36:34
he is a Basically he wanted to do left wing talk and obviously that didn't
36:40
catch on. So he developed a stick that he did. He was really
36:44
nothing like his stick. Oh that must be so difficult to live a life
36:49
different than your persona on there, because I like, I'm very open with
36:52
my personal life. So it's Christie on the air, and I don't have
36:55
it in me to pretend to be like another person or like two different things.
36:59
And so like a listeners saw me. We talk on the air,
37:01
how like we love Crocs, like I said, and we joked at our
37:05
company uniform. Are these Taco Bell slides that were just released at say Live
37:08
moss on the feet of them? You actually have that? Oh yeah no,
37:13
I'm one says Live and one says moss. Um all made crocs.
37:17
Hell yeah, they did Croco bill. They're so comfortable. There's slides next
37:22
level. They are the most comfortable crocs I have. What's what's what's a
37:25
slide? Yeah, crocs. Crocs have like fronts closed on him. Slides
37:31
are like sandals, so like your toes to come off the end. And
37:34
um so my our producer Tommy, who's married to my co host Christie,
37:37
he's a Taco Bell enthusiast slash expert and he's kind of started like a mini
37:44
Coal with our listeners called Bellhouse Supreme hailed a Bell and when these came out,
37:49
he ordered them for Christie, himself and me, and we all like
37:52
there are times that we're all hanging out working we're not working and all wearing
37:57
or matching Taco Bell crocs. But that's anyway. But because I'm very open
38:05
about my croc love and everything, I love Doctor Pepper, I love just
38:08
Bluebell. I'm very Texan and somebody we were getting ready for a live stream
38:13
last month and I was leaving this Albertson's where there's a very famous story on
38:16
our show where Christie had an incident, a bowel movement incident in the parking
38:22
lot of the Castle. Into Albertson's Dallas episode thirteen, it's like nineteen minutes
38:28
in would recommend and I mean to go listen to that one. Definitely.
38:31
I was at that Albertson's before the live stream, wearing the Taco Bell crocs
38:37
in a Third Man Records like Jack White T shirt because we've talked about how
38:39
much we love Jack White on the air carrying the Doctor Pepper float ice cream
38:44
a thing of diet coke. Chris Christie is well known for her diet coke
38:46
love and a thing of doctor Peppers zero sugar, which is my drink.
38:50
And a person drives by in a carns like, hey, I love sinisterhood.
38:54
I was holding the doctor pepper in my hand and I just waved it.
38:58
I go, thanks, man. It's great for them. They got
39:01
to see you in like in your natural habitat. It was like you you
39:05
guys in the wild. You were there bigfoot sighting. I was. I
39:08
was like, because if they're ever like, oh I bet she doesn't wear
39:12
those taco boll crocs and pub like oh I do. I was at the
39:15
store and them, if I remember correctly. So it's been a while since
39:20
I've been in that little that Costalinda intersection, you know at grand I think
39:25
that Albertson's didn't used to be a grocery store. I think all the way
39:30
back when I was in like third or fourth grade. If it's the exact
39:35
spot of the intersection I'm thinking of, it was a movie theater. That
39:38
movie theater at Casalinda. That's like I said, it's not there now,
39:43
or are you thinking of natural grocers across the street. That's what it is.
39:45
I think I was right, So it was a yeah, so it
39:47
was a grocery store, but Albertsons, Yeah, it across the street.
39:50
But that Natural Grocers is where I saw Iracnophobia as a kid. Sound okay,
39:54
Arachnophobia. That's a good movie. Man, It's scared. It scared
40:00
the crap out of me as a kid, obviously, just because I was
40:01
young and I couldn't reach for the little chain on a lamp for weeks because
40:08
there's that one brief moment or someone sticks her hand to pull the chain and
40:12
the spider drops in the hand, bites and kills them. No have you
40:15
ever seen it? I? Oh, god, A long time agohen I
40:19
was a kid. There's like that one, like The People Under the Stairs,
40:22
Candy Man, a lot of like nineties horror. I remember either my
40:24
sister would watch it, like Candy Man. I didn't watch until I was
40:28
an adult because my sister watched it at the theater and was so traumatized.
40:30
She was like a preteen when it came out, and Mom was like,
40:34
you're never allowed to watch that movie. It'll traumatize you. And then I
40:37
it turns out I went to the college in Chicago where they filmed the college
40:40
professor scenes. That was all Uice Go Flames, Chicago. It was a
40:45
good commuter school. It's great, but so that type of old like horror
40:50
movies. I have like a vague memory slash like, I don't think I'm
40:52
supposed to watch that. It's gonna scare me too much. Oh yeah,
40:54
no. The actually funny, funny, very brief sidebar. The actor that
41:01
played Candy Man, his name was Tony Todd. I believe had him on
41:08
my weekend show all the way back in like two thousand and eight. He
41:12
was in town for a horror convention. Yeah, so I interviewed him the
41:15
week before his appearance and then like the next I'm sorryst the night before,
41:19
then the next day and went and met him. Super sweet guy, nothing
41:22
like a hook wielding mass murderer from beyond at all. He's like so such
41:28
a good actor though you believe it. You're like, he's so nice in
41:30
a life but terrifying. Yeah. And it's funny because he's doing, you
41:34
know, the thing where he's there to do signings and things, and because
41:37
he was so good at it, people would start to go up to his
41:39
table and then some might just kind of back up a little bit and just
41:43
kind of do a half circle around us table, just because the movie freaked
41:46
him out that much. Man, he's good man, he freaked him out
41:49
all those conventions. The secret I've realized. You can't quite see it,
41:52
but above my shoulder, I have a picture of myself and John Cusack at
41:55
one of those because and we look like we're in love. And it's like
41:59
an engagement photo because you know, you wait in line to take your photo.
42:01
And when I went up there, instead of being like, h Hi,
42:05
my name is Heather, I went hey John, and he went hey
42:08
because I think he thought he was to know me. And then he gave
42:12
me this huge hug and then we turn it look at the camera like and
42:14
everyone's like, why does John Cusack snarl in some of these photos, but
42:17
in yours you look like you're in love. And I was like, I
42:21
guess let him. It's nice, too nice to do it to a man
42:27
for a change, right, exactly, that's right, let's see the John
42:34
Cusack. I was actually just talking about him the other day. I was
42:36
telling my wife that the she's never seen better off dead. Okay, So
42:40
I was telling her it's just like, of all the things and all the
42:44
John Cusack movies. Of many of the things that he's done, the things
42:46
that stick with me the most is the kid on the bicycle who wants us
42:50
two dollars. Yes, that's such a good role. When I was a
42:52
kid, I would get obsessed with celebrities, and then I would watch every
42:57
single movie in there, like on their IMDb page, including John Cusa because
43:00
I've seen that and I did it with like Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert Dunning Jr.
43:04
I would just get really fixated, and my mom would take me to
43:07
like Blockbuster Hollywood Video and I would be like, I need to rent this
43:10
art film and she's like, what is this about. It's like a French
43:14
film. I'm like, Leonardo DiCaprio has a four second cameo in it.
43:15
She's like, all right, rhythm. But I would end up watching these
43:21
like weird. I shouldn't have watched some of those, but it had Leo
43:24
in it, so I had to see it. And so did you have
43:27
you seen less than Zero? When you Robert Dunn. I don't care how
43:31
many iron Mans he is. There are some scenes in that movie that I'll
43:37
always see the rest of my life. Are you sure, you're only iron
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The website Rooks Plumbing Texas dot com. Trey, you said that there was
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something else you wanted to ask either before before we close up the treehouse for
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the day. Oh yeah, because you mentioned the story about the elementary school
49:43
kids who saw the was that in Nigeria? It was in Rua Zimbabwe?
49:45
Okay, Zimbabwe? Wasn't that the one where like they separated them all and
49:51
but they all drew. They basically all had the same story, and they
49:53
all drew a very similar picture of what they saw. That's what it really
49:59
made it of the more compelling, you know, alien sightings, whatever you
50:01
want to call it UFO sightings, was that initially when it happened, the
50:06
kids were only out there like ten to fifteen minutes by themselves, but they
50:07
all said it felt like much longer. And then sixty kids turn and run
50:13
to the schoolhouse and I'll just start screaming similar versions of the same story.
50:17
But where I mean, first of all, if you've tried to get sixty
50:20
adults to all agree on the same story, much less sixty kids much less
50:23
in like ten minutes. So then the teachers, of course you got to
50:27
go back to class separate them. But the third grade teachers said that the
50:29
kids were like traumatized, like they were shocked. I mean, they just
50:32
had these creatures that they described almost in like black scuba suits with very pale
50:37
faces and big black almond shaped eyes that one of the kids described as a
50:42
lake of calmness that drew you in. And so they're terrified, and some
50:45
of the teachers were like, shut up, you didn't see anything. Stopped
50:47
talking about it, which was very traumatizing for many of them into adulthood.
50:52
But then one of the teachers was really sweet and said, okay, well,
50:54
everybody, get out your journals and write, you know, write what
50:57
you want to say, you know, get it all out, and then
50:59
here's paper you can draw it and tray. You're right. It was pretty
51:02
consistently described as a humming and buzzing sound, but then it got silent.
51:07
As this craft landed. They said it was silver ish but moved and almost
51:10
was reflecting the background of where it was at and was almost glitching out.
51:15
And then these beings came out and just stared at them. But they received
51:19
these messages telepathically, and so then they called in. The journalists came in,
51:23
and there had been some sightings of UFOs in the days before in other
51:27
areas which the government said, oh it's meteorites or oh it's a Russian satellite.
51:31
Pieces are falling from a Russian satellite. Well, the I mean adults
51:36
who had witnessed things in the preceding day said well, a Russian satellite would
51:39
move from space down to Earth. You know, it's going to fall with
51:42
gravity. This was going up and over and around and glowing. So I
51:45
don't think it was a chunk of something falling. But when the kids were
51:50
later interviewed by Tim Leech with the BBC and then later Cynthia Hind with Mufon,
51:53
she was the continental coordinator for MUFON, she was like, the thing
51:58
about Mufon that I love, which is the UFO network that investigates this thing,
52:01
these type of things. They're not trying to prove that it was aliens.
52:05
They just want to get to the bottom of what this person saw.
52:07
And the answer is either explainable or we can't explain it. Not Oh,
52:12
definitely this was aliens. And so when Moufon came in, like you said,
52:15
she's interviewing them. There's video footage of all the interviews with the kids,
52:20
both BBC Moufon and then later with doctor John Mack, which was a
52:23
Harvard psychologist that came in that Tim Leech from the BBC and Cynthia Hian called
52:28
in that when the interviews are conducted, it's on video, and in my
52:32
opinion and scientific rigor standards, he was not asking leading questions and neither was
52:37
she. It would be like, what'd you see and they're like, well,
52:39
the men came and they look like this, what do you mean?
52:43
They looked like that? So they would ask a lot of what do you
52:45
mean kind of questions and not so when did you see the aliens? So
52:47
what kind of a silver, roundtop, flat bottom spaceship do you see?
52:52
They were like what happened when you were having lunch? And they're like,
52:54
freaking dudes came from the freaking skuy and told us that the world is going
52:58
to burn. So it's really I mean, it's funny now when you look
53:01
at it, but it's really sad. There's a great documentary called Aerial Phenomenon
53:06
that it's on YouTube and Amazon and Apple wherever you want to watch it.
53:08
But it follows them into adulthood and into adulthood. One girl had gotten taken
53:14
from the school a couple of weeks after the incident and moved back to Canada
53:17
with her family, and she drew pictures from when she was little up into
53:21
her twenties that looked exactly like the kids back in Zimbabwe. And it was
53:23
nineteen ninety four. She didn't have the internet, she didn't have phone,
53:27
you know, she wasn't going to call her friends back home. So you're
53:29
right, like all the images and all the accounts like lined up, but
53:34
not in a way that was scripted, like it was different pieces of the
53:37
same account. It was really fascinating, and with me, it seems like
53:39
right now we're not talking about the alien stuff enough because right in addition to
53:44
the story that that that you just gave us a good chunk of all these
53:49
other newer things are happening. You got the guy with the government who had
53:52
the highest clearance imaginable and said, oh yeah, we got aliens, we've
53:55
got spaceships, We've got all this stuff. And then a bunch of other
53:59
people came out after he went on I think it was News Nation, and
54:01
he's trying to operate under some whistleblower protections, and his colleagues are like,
54:07
oh, yeah, that dude's top notch. You saw it. We love
54:08
that guy. But we we work with him and we invite him to our
54:12
kid's birthday parties. He's not lying. And then and then the thing in
54:16
Vegas like a month or so ago, where the people calling Line one one.
54:20
We talked about it a little bit here in the show about how they're
54:22
like there's some really like tall like ten foot tall alien looking dudes in my
54:27
backyard, and Las Vegas PD's like, well, I gotta go check this
54:30
out because it seems interesting, and also because it came after they saw a
54:37
you know, a flashing light or a glowing light would ever come out of
54:38
the sky. And part of the reason we played the audio, part of
54:42
the reason why the Las Vegas police wanted to check it out was because one
54:45
of the guys on duty had seen it as well. So they saw it
54:49
and then they get a call about some ten foot tall weird looking dudes in
54:52
their backyard, like, yeah, let's go check this out. You know
54:54
what The jerk thing was though about the about those police there in Las Vegas.
54:59
They actually he said, this is on his body. Gam He's like,
55:00
yeah, if you see it, if you actually see something, don't
55:04
call us. You're on your own. Yeah, ghostbusters were Bro, You're
55:09
supposed to protect on occasion, you know what I mean. The last thing
55:13
you want to do is tell us, citizen man, you're on your own.
55:15
If well, it's like to serve and protect, not to serve and
55:19
protect and act out Independence Day, because like that is a whole other set
55:22
of circumstances. It's not in the job description, I know. But we've
55:25
all we've all I don't want to speak for you rather, but we've all
55:30
fascinated. We've we've we've thought to ourselves what it would be like to punch
55:37
an alien in the face and say welcome to Earth. Honestly, yeah,
55:40
my thing is I don't want to punch an alien because I don't know what
55:45
it could do in response to the punch, because they've got I feel like
55:49
they're going to have like tentacles or beat. The ones that the kids describe,
55:52
said I could. I wouldn't want to punch the ones that the kids
55:54
describe, because they said they were only like three or four feet tall and
55:58
had one Lady as she grew up said the face look like it had so
56:00
much botox, like it was super like lumpy and hard and plasticy. So
56:06
the aliens from Highland Park, it's just a Highland Park. Pta She's like,
56:14
excuse me, you kids are making noise. So let's let's now introduce
56:19
ourselves to the aliens. Aliens, who are you? What is your name?
56:22
We're all named Karen. Well take me to your manager. But you're
56:28
right though, all this alien stuff I it feels wild because I have always
56:32
been a believer in supernatural and alien and anything kind of woo woo. I'm
56:37
my co host is amazing. We're like Molder and Scullie. She's very Acam's
56:40
razor. She's usually great. I said, if you ever have a conspiracy
56:44
theory that you feel like is so solid, say it to Christy Wallace and
56:47
within ten seconds she will have asked you fifteen questions. She will have eviscerated
56:52
your conspiracy theory, and you will be left like a shell of a person,
56:54
and not even in a mean way, just in a She's very she's
56:58
got a sharp eye for stuff, Whereas I'm like accidentally sort of followed the
57:02
Wild World Country cult for like a full year because I got this book and
57:06
I didn't google who it was written by. My bad. I also recommended
57:10
it to people, which is mortifying, and who was it written by?
57:14
Um? It was a O show which is the Rajniche Purum the people in
57:17
Wild World Country where they took over the town in Oregon and then poisoned the
57:21
buffet and tried to like sound Oh yeah yeah, yeah, I wasn't.
57:24
That was a Netflix documentary. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
57:28
a Netflix documents. These days, it sounds like Trey and my search history
57:31
on our on Netflix is very similar. And you're talking about ancient Aliens and
57:36
oh, yeah, there's a new there's I think it's coming out on Monday.
57:38
There's a new documentary coming out about because I do think there's a lot
57:43
to the fact that our historical timeline is actually way off and there were civilizations
57:50
here before, you know, even the Egyptians or everything else, and going
57:53
back to pre Ice age. And but there's one and it'll really screw with
58:00
religion and science, but there's one you know, talking about they were making
58:04
discoveries that reshape the timeline up to two hundred and fifty thousand years. Wow,
58:08
well, it's funny you say that it hits religion and science. And
58:12
that's what a lot of people are calling all of this legitimized government discussion of
58:16
UFO phenomenon as an ontological crisis of like we it's a crisis of faith in
58:22
a crisis of belief in existence and what's the nature of this? And in
58:25
the Rua Zimbabwe case, you saw one of the families that kind of immediately
58:29
moved away was this Christian missionary family, and one of the things they really
58:32
struggled with was listening to their children and telling their children no, no,
58:37
no, aliens aren't real. And then the kids going, well, you're
58:38
telling me to believe in God and in angels, and I'm telling you I
58:43
physically saw something and you're saying no, no, no, you didn't see
58:45
that. So it's you're right. It's an interesting I want to say,
58:49
crisis of faith. It's one of those who can two things you know,
58:51
be true at the same time. Take this with a grain assault over my
58:54
mantle. I have a sign that looks kind of like that I want to
58:58
believe, like with the UFO from X. But it says God might be
59:00
aliens, which my niece who's six, spelled out at Thanksgiving aloud and was
59:06
like God might be aliens And I was like, good luck, sis,
59:08
good luck explaining that. Sorry. Also time to put a parental warning on
59:14
the old podcast there. Yeah, my whole entire house too. I mean,
59:17
the good news is at six, she'll have an idea of what ontological
59:21
means. But it's just gonna make Thanksgiving weird with the subject matter like our
59:27
is. She's it's like everyone in bou your head. We're gonna say grace,
59:30
Thank you God. And also I don't know any aliens up there that
59:32
might be listening. Thank you God. Slash Knu No, but you're right.
59:37
It is like what do we think we know, but we have no
59:40
idea. Welcome to the real world. There's aliens. Thank you, Trey,
59:45
thank you, thank you for you know, just you know, questioning
59:50
everyone's existence, which, by the way, it doesn't have to be that
59:52
dangerous because I think you touched on a great thing, Heather, which is
59:57
it is possible for two things to exist and be true at the same time.
1:00:00
The world we live in, you know, socially speaking, doesn't seem
1:00:04
to operate that way. It's if you believe this, and that means you
1:00:07
don't believe this. It's like, no, you can you can believe in
1:00:09
multiple things at the same time. Not everything has to be some sort of
1:00:13
culture war. And let's be let's the other you know, let's be frank,
1:00:19
if God exists and so did this previous civilization. God may be thinking,
1:00:22
you know what, humans, you're a little too small minded to truly
1:00:27
process this previous civilization. I'm just not going to tell you about it right
1:00:30
now. You're not ready for the prequels. No, it's like when you're
1:00:32
on a plane and it's going to be like the four hour delay on the
1:00:35
tarmac. They only tell you thirty minutes at a time, so you don't
1:00:37
riot when you know, when you know you've read the news and you've heard
1:00:40
it's going to be three days, and you're like, I'm going to get
1:00:43
off this plane one way or the other. You don't want us to turn
1:00:45
and freak out like that. So I hear you, but I think you're
1:00:49
right. I'm but I'm a zen Buddhist, so I'm always just like it
1:00:51
could be that. It's it could be that. It's like to me,
1:00:53
you're the truth is the truth, and we can't necessarily know it. My
1:00:58
view of the truth is my opinion, and you're view of the truth is
1:01:00
your opinion. It's all just distilled in the big Lebowski. That's just like,
1:01:04
and honestly, if we can take all those things and then also just
1:01:07
you know, find a good kernel of stupid in the middle of it,
1:01:10
Oh, everything's funny. That's the thing too about being how I'm pretty unflappable
1:01:15
in that way of like a very doodish and like roll with the punches at
1:01:20
certain things. And even when stuff does go, you know, crazily wrong,
1:01:22
I'm like, I'll talk about it on the air. It'll be funny
1:01:24
or all right about it. I'll talk about it on stage when we're on
1:01:28
tour right now, so travel, you know, crazy stuff happens when we're
1:01:30
traveling, and we're like, oh, we'll just talk about it on stage.
1:01:32
It's fine. Yeah. Not only is it is it great for content,
1:01:37
but it's also on air therapy. Exactly. Speaking of on air therapy,
1:01:42
hang a, there we go. Wait, are you still gonna not
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tell? Go ahead? What's your question? I was gonna say, do
1:01:51
we fully cover your sex wing? Because where you saying you had to drink
1:01:52
more earlier to talk about that? Well, the only thing I think I
1:01:55
was going to mention is the airbnb we're staying out is actually pretty cool,
1:02:00
but it's it's it's it's weird because the you mentioned cults. Not to be
1:02:05
completely stereotypical here, but you women in your showers. So our airbnb here
1:02:10
has by far my wife's favorite shower of all time because it's basically a pressure
1:02:16
washer that spits out molten lava. Oh, is it like one where it
1:02:20
comes over your head and then shoots your body from the side. No,
1:02:22
if that's the crazy thing, it's just one shower head. It's very typical
1:02:27
at an angle. But I'm serious. It's it's like something that should it
1:02:31
should be peeling skin. It is. It physically hurts me, and I'm
1:02:37
not I'm not embellishing that everything. It physically hurts to wash my face because
1:02:42
I feel like I'm getting a like a chemical peel from it. She's like,
1:02:46
hey, babe, I booked an airbnb. Um, don't read the
1:02:50
reviews. The reviews are like bathroom is a fire hose. She's like,
1:02:52
just, um, we've been on the island for a minute. Why don't
1:02:54
you just take a shower real quick. Yeah. So the water's a little
1:02:58
softer there. It's it's more like water on the island. This whereas this
1:03:02
shower head you should really have its own sinister hood episode. It's destroying faces.
1:03:09
It's destroying faces. It's it's its own cult. Because there's a line
1:03:14
of women down the street wanting to take turns in this shower because they too
1:03:19
want to have their flesh melted. Oh well, I might just speak because
1:03:22
I'm the dude ishes comeback. But yeah, being like women love showers,
1:03:25
I'm like, oh, I need to do that. That's a great reminder.
1:03:28
See some stereotypes are still safe. Heather McKinney from sinister Hood podcast,
1:03:35
thank you so much for joining us in the Treehouse today. It's it's been
1:03:37
an absolute pleasure. We can do it again sometime if you don't mind slumming
1:03:40
it with us on occasion anytime. I'm always happy to come home, So
1:03:45
look up sinister Hood Everywhere. Podcasts are available, including some places I'm sure
1:03:51
we haven't even heard of yet to post ours, but well we'll get there
1:03:53
eventually. So Heather, thank you for that. Best of luck on the
1:03:57
upcoming shows with the in person that you and Christie coming up. For all
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Detroit. We'll see you in the next few months. Trey wasn't a nice
1:04:33
of her to actually plug her stuff even though she doesn't need to. Yeah,
1:04:39
she doesn't need to plug her stuff in the treehouse. She's doing just
1:04:42
five. That's cute. I'm an additional person. Always be plug in.
1:04:48
All right, We'll see you next time in the treehouse. Two