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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight the country sings back into
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Speaker 2: a per capita recession as we prepare for yet another
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Speaker 2: steep rise in electricity prices. A Jewish health and well
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Speaker 2: being practitioner canceled at a Melbourne festival after smearing from
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Speaker 2: Palestinian activists the Donald Trump and Elon Musk bromance, Well
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Speaker 2: and truly over and climate anxiety harming our children.
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Speaker 1: Claire Row joins me.
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Speaker 2: Also Alexander Downer on Russia and Ukraine, plus Justin Smith
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Speaker 2: and Lisa Godard on all of the above, and plenty more.
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Speaker 2: News today that our economy is slowing further so that
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Speaker 2: under labor we have plunged once more.
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Speaker 1: Back into a per capita recession.
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Speaker 2: Well, those good times didn't last long, did they, And
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Speaker 2: one of the major factors holding our our economy back
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Speaker 2: is our electricity and energy mess. I had my say
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Speaker 2: last night about the absolute lunacy of net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty, the ridiculous emissions reduction target that Australia has
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Speaker 2: signed up to but has no hope of meeting, and
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Speaker 2: which would not change the global climate one iota even
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Speaker 2: if we did meet it. Well, now let me update
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Speaker 2: you on the insane cost of this madness and how
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Speaker 2: it's about to push up your power prices yet again.
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Speaker 2: And remember when your increased electricity bill hits your family budget,
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Speaker 2: it also adds to the burden on small business and
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Speaker 2: on major industries, and it fuels inflation, pushing up the
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Speaker 2: cost of just about everything. So it's not just the
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Speaker 2: hip pocket pain, it's the undermining of all of our
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Speaker 2: economic prosperity. Energy is the lifeblood of the economy, and
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Speaker 2: that's why I call our climate policies an act of
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Speaker 2: national self harm. Anyway, as reported in The Australian the Morning,
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Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs did some work talling up
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Speaker 2: the annual cost of government spending on these policies, and
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Speaker 2: it totals are staggering nine billion dollars a year, an
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Speaker 2: annual spend that has increased four hundred percent under the
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Speaker 2: Albanesi Labor government. Now that's direct tax payers funds nine
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Speaker 2: billion a year. For comparison, that's about as much as
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Speaker 2: we spend on our air force. But the nine million
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Speaker 2: on the air force helps keep us safe. The nine
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Speaker 2: billion on net zero policies makes us weaker anyway. It's
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Speaker 2: a whole lot worse than all that, of course, because
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Speaker 2: there's tens of billions of dollars worth of private investment
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Speaker 2: in renewable energy and transmission and storage, all taking advantage
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Speaker 2: of the government rules and subsidies, and we all end
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Speaker 2: up paying for all of that too in our electricity bills.
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Speaker 2: And we're all about to be hit by another rye
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Speaker 2: in our power bills up to ten percent starting next month,
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Speaker 2: taking the average household bill to about two thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Remember labor promise to cut power bills by two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars a year. There's now about a
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars gap between their promise and the reality for families.
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Speaker 2: And while the government is forcing power prices up, it's
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Speaker 2: also spending more of our money on subsidies to push
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Speaker 2: them lower temporarily just enough, I suppose to get them
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Speaker 2: through that election cycle. Really, as The Australian reported, without
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Speaker 2: government cash rebates, which have cost the federal government a
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Speaker 2: separate six point eight billion dollars, electricity prices for households
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Speaker 2: alone would have increased seventeen point six percent since June
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three according to the ABS. Yeah, that's an
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Speaker 2: extra six point eight billion dollars on top of the
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Speaker 2: nine billion dollars a year. And when the subsidies run out,
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Speaker 2: of course we're going to get walloped all over again.
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Speaker 2: What are shambles? What economic vandalism? And here's the kicker,
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Speaker 2: this really is risible. The Department of Climate Change showed
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Speaker 2: last week that emissions rose zero points zero five percent
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, with electricity emissions up two point
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Speaker 2: two percent due to high demand and lower hydro generation. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: all that taxpayer's money, all that expense and pain, and
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Speaker 2: emissions rose. Anyway, if we weren't crying, we'd be laughing
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Speaker 2: our heads off.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: To be fair, that Apartment expects emissions will start dropping
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Speaker 2: again this year, but all the same, the bottom line
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Speaker 2: is that whatever reductions we make are meaningless anyway, because
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Speaker 2: emissions are rising by much more, ten times more in
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Speaker 2: places like China, India and Indonesia.
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Speaker 3: So this is national energy self.
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Speaker 2: Harm, plenty of economic pain for no environmental gain. But
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Speaker 2: it's all okay apparently because we've got some dem Tell
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Speaker 2: guy as the Climate an Energy Minister.
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Speaker 4: First of July, our chiefer home Batteries policy comes.
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Speaker 1: In, you're twenty percent of the closet of a battery.
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Speaker 2: Of course, if you don't have solar panels yet, if
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Speaker 2: you can get solar panels and.
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Speaker 1: A battery at the same time, you.
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Speaker 5: Get the discount on the battery and also the indisting
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Speaker 5: discount on solar panels, so it makes the whole package
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Speaker 5: not cheaper.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't have solar panels at a battery at the.
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Speaker 6: Moment, putting both in, we'll save on average a typical
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Speaker 6: family more than two thousand dollars a year in energy
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Speaker 6: cost coarent you don't.
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Speaker 1: Have solar or battery yet, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 4: Looking for that first a July A cheaper home batteries.
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Speaker 5: Getting on with the job of delivering the policies we
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Speaker 5: took the electric.
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Speaker 2: I mean is they're going to throw in a set
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Speaker 2: of electric state knives, and you're, yeah, sure, you save
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Speaker 2: that two thousand dollars a year, as long as you
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Speaker 2: spend twenty five or thirty five thousand dollars installing all
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Speaker 2: this stuff in the first place, and as long as
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Speaker 2: you overlook yet more taxpayers money subsidizing this stuff, and.
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Speaker 1: As long as you overlook how all.
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Speaker 2: This solar in the system is actually destabilizing the grid
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Speaker 2: and making it harder to provide reliable supplies all the time.
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Speaker 3: We are in a world of pain. It's only going
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Speaker 3: to get.
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Speaker 2: Worse, and Labor is doubling down on their world first
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Speaker 2: renewables plus storage model, an engineering feat so expensive and
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Speaker 2: unreliable that no other country has even dared to try it.
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Speaker 2: The only country that's gone close is Spain, and at
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Speaker 2: least they have some nuclear to help out. But all
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Speaker 2: the same, the whole of Spain and Portugal went dark
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Speaker 2: in April, as you will remember. Writing in the Wall
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Speaker 2: Street Journal yesterday, Bun Lomborg pointed out how that blackout
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Speaker 2: showed the price and supply risks of renewables. Prices are
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Speaker 2: high in no small part because solar and wind require
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Speaker 2: a duplicate backup energy system, often fossil fuel driven, for
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Speaker 2: when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow.
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Speaker 2: Long Board wrote, the Spain and Portugal blackout on the
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Speaker 2: Iberian Peninsula shows that the reliability issues and costs of
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Speaker 2: solar and wind are worse than even this sort of
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Speaker 2: data indicates. In this country, we've had the whole state
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Speaker 2: of South Australia blackout. We've had soaring prices, We've had
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Speaker 2: warnings that the whole grid has been running short of
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Speaker 2: electricity generation.
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Speaker 3: Yet we're doubling down on a dubious plan.
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Speaker 2: Labor and Chris Bowen cannot say they were not warned,
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Speaker 2: and neither can voters. Now let me give you one
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Speaker 2: of those told you so moments tonight. Please indulge me.
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Speaker 2: It's not a pretty important an issue. It relates to
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Speaker 2: the leader of the free world and his relationship with
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Speaker 2: the world's richest man, the Donald Trump Elon Musk bromance
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Speaker 2: has been a thing to behold, with Musk even heading
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Speaker 2: up Trump's efforts to cut government costs, of course, but
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Speaker 2: it's always looked a little problematic to me. I think
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk reducing the size of government is a fantastic idea,
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Speaker 2: but also you've got to be careful.
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Speaker 1: He's the richest businessman in the world.
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Speaker 7: He has his own agenda and he can cut government
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Speaker 7: spending great, But this is a bloke who's actually built
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Speaker 7: a lot of his wealth on government subsidies and programs too,
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Speaker 7: So I think that relationship.
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Speaker 1: Is fraught with difficulties. In the months to come for
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, we shall see. Well.
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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say now that the bromance
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Speaker 2: is over. With the latest news out of the US
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Speaker 2: pitting the two against each other.
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Speaker 8: The Elon Musk is blasting a massive spending bill backed
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Speaker 8: by President Trump.
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Speaker 9: In a social media posed, Elon Musk called the bill
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Speaker 9: a quote disgusting abomination that will increase the deficit. He
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Speaker 9: went on to say, of what's known as the Big
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Speaker 9: Beautiful Bill, shame on those who voted for it.
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Speaker 10: You know you did wrong.
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Speaker 9: The post comes just days after Musk was given at
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Speaker 9: sendoff in the Oval Office for his time leading the
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Speaker 9: Department of Government Efficiency.
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Speaker 3: The Big Beautiful Bills or William, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: And look, sure it was some sort of a partnership
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Speaker 2: while it lasted. But perhaps Trump won't be driving that
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Speaker 2: Tessa that he bought earlier this year. Perhaps he'll just
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Speaker 2: let that one run flat. And perhaps we'll see these
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Speaker 2: two pitted against each other more often now rather than
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Speaker 2: sharing a stage together. When it comes to the war
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, I've pointed out time and time
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Speaker 2: again how lies and propaganda are being amplified by the
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Speaker 2: world by the media right around the world, with politicians
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Speaker 2: kicking as well a whole lot of people who should
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Speaker 2: know better. The United Nations and their agencies are central
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Speaker 2: to this anti Israeli narrative too, and it's perpetuated of
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Speaker 2: course by the political left, especially although as we all know,
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Speaker 2: when it comes to anti Semitism, the extreme right joins
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Speaker 2: in too. But what we need most of all in
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Speaker 2: the coverage of this conflict and the political ramifications is
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Speaker 2: some regard for the facts, and far too many in
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Speaker 2: the media. Most of the world's media, it seems, is
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Speaker 2: too willing to run Hummas claims out of Gaza as
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Speaker 2: fact before they verify them. This is quite incredible, really,
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Speaker 2: because you've got to consider that Hummas is an evil
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremist terrorist organization. It's no different from our Kaeda
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Speaker 2: or Islamic state. Yet the media constantly runs the claims
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Speaker 2: from this death cult, about death tallies, about aid deliveries,
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Speaker 2: and about scific attacks. And that's what we've seen in
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Speaker 2: recent days, with numerous reports citing claims that Israel had
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Speaker 2: killed people at aid delivery sites, horrific claims about dozens
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Speaker 2: of people killed while just trying to get aid.
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Speaker 11: This latest incident resulting in dozens of people killed and injured,
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Speaker 11: according to Gaza's health ministry, has prompted widespread outcry and
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Speaker 11: demands for independent investigations. Hama's claims at least twenty seven
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Speaker 11: Garsans were killed in dozens injured when Israeli troops opened
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Speaker 11: fire near an AID distribution center in southern Gaza.
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Speaker 12: Health officials in Gaza say twenty seven Palestinians have been
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Speaker 12: killed near an AID distribution center, accusing Israeli forces of
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Speaker 12: opening fire at least Correspondent Matthew dre And reports from Jerusalem.
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Speaker 13: This is the third attack in as many days, and
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Speaker 13: Palestinian authorities are once again pointing the finger of blame
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Speaker 13: towards Israel.
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Speaker 2: Note the references to Palacedian authorities or Ghazan health ministry
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Speaker 2: or the Gaza health officials.
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Speaker 1: This means Hummus.
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Speaker 2: This means they are quoting Hummus and given Humas is
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization, everything they offer is propaganda, it turns out,
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Speaker 2: and the Israelis and other sources have demonstrated this with
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Speaker 2: video evidence that Hummas terrorists were shooting at crowds and
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Speaker 2: trying to keep Gazans away from the AID deliveries. The
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Speaker 2: real story here is that Israel and the US are
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Speaker 2: trying to deliver aid directly and for free to Palestinians
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Speaker 2: in Gaza, keeping.
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Speaker 1: Hummas out of the loop.
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Speaker 2: Hummas doesn't want this because it's been stockpiling aid for
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Speaker 2: its terrorists and selling aid to its own Palestinian people
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Speaker 2: as a way of raising money to pay its terrorist soldiers.
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Speaker 2: Yet the world's media gives Humas a free pass and
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Speaker 2: blames Israel by amplifying and regurgitating Hamas propaganda. This behavior
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Speaker 2: was called out frankly at the White House overnights when
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Speaker 2: a reporter asked for a response to the lightest claims.
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Speaker 14: The administration is aware of those reports and we are
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Speaker 14: currently looking into the veracity of them, because, unfortunately, unlike
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Speaker 14: some in the media, we don't take the word of
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Speaker 14: Hamas with total truth. We like to look into it
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Speaker 14: when they speak. Unlike the BBC, who had multiple headlines
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Speaker 14: they wrote Israeli tank kills twenty six, Israeli tank kills
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Speaker 14: twenty one, Israeli gunfire kills thirty one Red Cross is
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Speaker 14: twenty one people were killed in an eight incident, and
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Speaker 14: then oh wait, they had to correct and take down
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Speaker 14: their entire story, saying we reviewed the footage and couldn't
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Speaker 14: find any evidence of anything.
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Speaker 2: This media nonsense plays out here in Australia too, and
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Speaker 2: the national broadcast so the.
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Speaker 1: Text player funded ABC is central.
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Speaker 2: He had to issue a correction and take down stories
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Speaker 2: from its online platforms after running the wild allegations over
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Speaker 2: violence at the Gaza aid delivery locations. And while it's
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Speaker 2: also issued corrections and claimed to have taken down stories
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Speaker 2: relating to those horrible and plainly false claims about fourteen
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Speaker 2: thousand babies being on the brink of starvation, it's pretty
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Speaker 2: easy to find these dangerously incorrect stories still available online.
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Speaker 13: The United Nations Humanitarian Agency is warning that fourteen thousand
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Speaker 13: babies in Gaza are suffering from malnutrition and need urgent
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Speaker 13: supplies of baby formula.
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Speaker 10: Fourteen thousand babies could die within the next forty eight
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Speaker 10: hours in Gaza if there's not enough aid cent there.
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Speaker 10: That is the grim warning from the United Nations Humanitarian Chief.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is disgraceful stuff from the United Nations and
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Speaker 2: the media and especially our ABC, spreading hateful lies that
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Speaker 2: can only intensify animosity towards.
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Speaker 1: Israel and Israelis The.
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem Post has called out the media deceptions, calling them
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Speaker 2: a blood libel. Its editorial went like this, at least
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Speaker 2: thirty one Palestinians killed after Israeli forces open fire near
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Speaker 2: Gaza AID distribution center. Palestinians, officials say, screamed the tickers
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Speaker 2: on CNN and with minor variations on BBC, sky News
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Speaker 2: UK and most world media. On Sunday, the headlines folded
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Speaker 2: into stories of a massacre at one of the aid
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Speaker 2: distribution sites opened by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, citing the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian Ministry of Health. Of course, any discerning reader would
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Speaker 2: know that Palestinian officials, Palestinian Ministry of Health, or any
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Speaker 2: of the other euphemisms that the international media uses, like
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Speaker 2: the Gaza Health Ministry, local officials in Gaza, or our
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Speaker 2: favorite Gaza's Civil Defense is double speak for hummus. Yep,
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Speaker 2: the media run hummus lies. They've done it since the
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Speaker 2: start of the war. Even though claims then of an
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Speaker 2: Israel bombing killing five hundred people at the hospital were
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Speaker 2: demonstrated to be absolutely false, the media lines up still
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Speaker 2: to promote more false stories from hummas. It is sickening
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Speaker 2: and it leads to hatred and no doubt it then
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Speaker 2: plays a role in the escalating violence we see against
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Speaker 2: Israelis around the world. Facts matter, but this false narrative
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Speaker 2: goes on and on. If the White House can cool
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Speaker 2: it out and the facts back up that stand. What
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Speaker 2: does it say about the UK government, the European governments
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Speaker 2: and our own government when they regurgitate this stuff instead
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Speaker 2: of calling it out out. I think it says a lot. Now,
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Speaker 2: just on related issues, a Melbourne health and wellness festival
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Speaker 2: has dumped a prominent Jewish practitioner after she was smeared
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Speaker 2: by Palestinian activists. Sharon tal is a kinesiologist from Corefield
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Speaker 2: who's been involved in the Mind, Body and Spirit Festival
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Speaker 2: for almost a decade and had organized and taken bookings
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Speaker 2: for her workshop later this week, which has now been
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Speaker 2: canceled by the organizers.
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Speaker 1: Sharon Tull now joins me live from Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Good to speak to you, Sharonda in bad circumstances. Tell
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Speaker 2: me about your communication with the organizers and what sort
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Speaker 2: of attacks were directed at you and why they've told
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Speaker 2: you that you've now been scrapped from this festival.
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Speaker 10: So let me just start and say that my participant
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Speaker 10: at the Mind Body Spirit been there for close to
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Speaker 10: ten years, and I have not even one word that
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Speaker 10: to say about the actual stuff. The stuff is wonderful. However,
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Speaker 10: on Monday, there was an incident that a particular participant
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Speaker 10: presenter was very upset from the fact that my bio
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Speaker 10: had included the word WITSO, which is Women International Zionist Organization,
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Speaker 10: which in the past nine years ago I have created
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Speaker 10: a charity event and stress relief activity. That person was
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Speaker 10: really upset with that and demanded to take me out
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Speaker 10: the stuff. The management were amazing and basically pushed it
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Speaker 10: off in the reasoning that they will not accept it. However,
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Speaker 10: the person then removed themselves from the participant and that
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Speaker 10: was okay. However, from what I understood, a lot of
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Speaker 10: many phone calls had been calling into their system to
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Speaker 10: the management, threatening them that they are now supporting genocide.
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Speaker 10: This is terrible, This is terrible genocide.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you've been involved in a Zionist charity
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Speaker 2: in the past, you're attacked like this in blackball.
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Speaker 1: That's outrageous.
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Speaker 10: And let me just add that WITO is actually supporting
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Speaker 10: women and single women and supporting in giving donation at
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Speaker 10: least to the chapter that I was supporting in Israel
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Speaker 10: and supporting kindergarten all over the world and single moms,
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Speaker 10: and I usually do those stress workshop anti stress or
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Speaker 10: really stress workshop very often, and that's what I do.
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Speaker 10: I spread the love and light and yeah.
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Speaker 2: Of course, and you're Jewish. But this is the tactic
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Speaker 2: now that they use the word Zionism as if that's
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Speaker 2: their excuse they can attack a Zionist. A Zionist is
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Speaker 2: just someone who supports.
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Speaker 10: Israel Is genocide.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they equate the gows.
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Speaker 10: Together zionist is genocide.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is an absolute abomination.
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Speaker 2: Let me just go to the statement from the organizers
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Speaker 2: because we've got a response from them, and they say
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Speaker 2: that the festival has always been a space for wellbeing, inclusion,
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Speaker 2: and spiritual growth. They say regrettably two participants are no
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Speaker 2: longer joining the upcoming Morburne program. They say the decision
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Speaker 2: was made to protect the emotional and physical safety of
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Speaker 2: everyone involved, including the individuals themselves. It wasn't based on religion, ethnicity,
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Speaker 2: or personal beliefs. Their primary concern is for people having
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Speaker 2: a welcoming space there and that they regret this has
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Speaker 2: caused distress, but the safety of our staff, exhibitors and
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Speaker 2: attendees will always.
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Speaker 1: Be our priority. But this goes to your point.
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Speaker 2: They have simply banned you because pro Palestinian or anti
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Speaker 2: Israel forces have written to create a fuss over.
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Speaker 10: You if I will be there, And they really genuinely
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Speaker 10: wanted to protect me. Yet I said, why don't we
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Speaker 10: just increase security. I can bring bodyguards. I was supposed
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Speaker 10: to speak on the main stage. I was. I had
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Speaker 10: the workshops. I have my stand where I do the healing.
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Speaker 10: I'm a kinesiologist and a counselor, and sometimes people because
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Speaker 10: I've been there for so long as well, people come
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Speaker 10: especially to see me.
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Speaker 1: I'm I got to tell you.
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Speaker 10: I should like to say that I'm good at what
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Speaker 10: I do.
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Speaker 2: I got to tell you, Sharon, I've never been to
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Speaker 2: a kinesiologist and the sort of mind, body and spiritual
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Speaker 2: wellness festival.
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Speaker 1: It's not my natural habitat.
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Speaker 2: But I would have assumed that that environment's all about
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Speaker 2: love and care and tolerance. Yet they're saying, because you're
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Speaker 2: exactly we're right, don't turn.
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Speaker 10: Up, and it's it's was more about the Zionists than
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Speaker 10: they held the festival accountable for facilitating the part of
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Speaker 10: the genocide and it was extremely upsetting. And I genuinely
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Speaker 10: love the management of the mind, body spirit. We're like
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Speaker 10: very close. I present that twice a year. I hold
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Speaker 10: my stand. I've been doing it for many years and
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Speaker 10: there was never a problem. I mean since October seventh,
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Speaker 10: there was a little bit more sensitivity when people walk there,
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Speaker 10: marching there with their different outfit, let me just say,
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Speaker 10: and not spreading love and light. However, my stand has
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Speaker 10: always been a safe space for everyone. My lectures, when
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Speaker 10: I speak on stage, it's always about love and light
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Speaker 10: and lift the vibration. And those people have a very
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Speaker 10: big anger issues and hatred issues, and I'm all about
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Speaker 10: love and light. I'm all about love and light, and
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Speaker 10: we need to lift the vibration of love. And even
22:53
Speaker 10: when I do not want to do a contra anger
22:57
Speaker 10: and a contra hatred, I just want to increase the
23:00
Speaker 10: awareness that bullies should not be accommodated. And that is
23:05
Speaker 10: now affecting my livelihood because this is my revenue future.
23:10
Speaker 10: Twice a year that I do it, and that is affecting, unfortunately,
23:14
Speaker 10: my revenue and my projection for the year financially, because
23:19
Speaker 10: that's where I have I've got so many messages saying
23:22
Speaker 10: we came especially to see you. We we just want
23:25
Speaker 10: to visit you, We came to hear we want to
23:27
Speaker 10: hear your lecture because this one was about reignite your
23:31
Speaker 10: fire balancing via balancing your chakras. And it's like, what
23:37
Speaker 10: can be so genocide about that? Instead of just let's
23:40
Speaker 10: lift the vibration.
23:42
Speaker 1: It's all about peace. Sharon.
23:44
Speaker 2: I think it's a case of shocking discrimination, and I
23:48
Speaker 2: appreciate that you don't want to get angry in response,
23:50
Speaker 2: but you do want to draw people's attention to it.
23:53
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Sharon.
23:55
Speaker 2: Tell there you heard it a scrap to using the
23:58
Speaker 2: excuse that was going to create too much trouble that
24:01
Speaker 2: it's as much for her safety as anybody else's. This
24:04
Speaker 2: is the sort of discrimination that is being activated against
24:08
Speaker 2: Israelis and Jewish people now right around the world. Shame
24:11
Speaker 2: on that festival in Melbourne. Let's go now to the
24:14
Speaker 2: Deputy Nationals leader, Kevin Hogan. He joins us live from
24:17
Speaker 2: Lismore in the north of New South Wales. Good to
24:19
Speaker 2: talk to you, Kevin. I want to get back to
24:21
Speaker 2: where I started the program and there's the nine billion
24:24
Speaker 2: dollars a year the government is currently spending directly on subsidies.
24:29
Speaker 1: And the like when it comes to net zero policy.
24:32
Speaker 2: He's added on top of that nearly seven billion dollars
24:35
Speaker 2: in these electricity rebates.
24:37
Speaker 1: And it's time during the election.
24:39
Speaker 3: Campaign we heard a lot about the cost of nuclear.
24:42
Speaker 2: When are we going to get a total cost of
24:44
Speaker 2: all of this net zero nonsense that we're all paying
24:47
Speaker 2: for now?
24:50
Speaker 13: Yeah, horrific figures there, Chris. And as you said, it's
24:52
Speaker 13: hard to identify even where all this spending is happening.
24:56
Speaker 13: And you make the point two emissions in Australia have
24:58
Speaker 13: gone up recently. So look, we've made a commitment as
25:02
Speaker 13: the Nationals and I think the Liberals are doing this
25:04
Speaker 13: as well, to review net zero twenty fifty and we're
25:07
Speaker 13: going to look at it very much through the regional
25:09
Speaker 13: lens as well, because remember you know Labour's renewables only
25:12
Speaker 13: policy means in the region sixty million solar panels to
25:16
Speaker 13: be rolled out through the regions, about twenty thousand wind turbines,
25:19
Speaker 13: So we want to order it on how that's rolling out.
25:21
Speaker 13: The environmental damage too with the new poles and y
25:24
Speaker 13: ski that they're having to roll out.
25:26
Speaker 1: Et cetera.
25:26
Speaker 13: So we're going to recommission in a studying independent study,
25:29
Speaker 13: we're going to review the policy. It's about three or
25:31
Speaker 13: four years since we've had a good chat about it,
25:33
Speaker 13: so I'm very much looking forward to reviewing that policy.
25:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you need to get cracking, don't you,
25:38
Speaker 2: Because this is an issue that needs attention now. The
25:41
Speaker 2: government's made a mess of our electricity grid and they
25:44
Speaker 2: need to be cooled out now. And you guys need
25:46
Speaker 2: to know, for instance, whether they're going to stick with
25:48
Speaker 2: net zero or not, primarily because unless you're sticking with
25:52
Speaker 2: net zero, there's no need to.
25:53
Speaker 1: Go to nuclear. For ins.
25:55
Speaker 3: Nuclear is only needed to get to net zero.
25:58
Speaker 2: If you don't need to get the nets, there are
26:00
Speaker 2: far cheaper and more effective options around when it comes
26:03
Speaker 2: to gas and coal.
26:06
Speaker 13: Yeah, and look, Chris, that's what the review is about.
26:08
Speaker 13: We want to look at it all our climate and
26:09
Speaker 13: our mission reduction targets, what we think is feasible, doable,
26:13
Speaker 13: the cost of that what this all means too, to
26:15
Speaker 13: the cost of people's power bills. So look, it's going
26:18
Speaker 13: to be a very open sort of clean skate review
26:20
Speaker 13: that we look at everything, have a good in depth
26:23
Speaker 13: discussion about it as a party room, and look as
26:25
Speaker 13: a priority of ours to review it.
26:28
Speaker 2: Let's get onto the super tax labors super tax plan,
26:31
Speaker 2: and here's your colleague Matt Canavan on television having an
26:35
Speaker 2: argument about this this morning.
26:38
Speaker 15: So let's see what the government comes up with.
26:40
Speaker 1: It sounds like about those farmers.
26:42
Speaker 15: Themselves about what the details should be, and so we
26:45
Speaker 15: will have those discussions when the government puts something on
26:47
Speaker 15: the table.
26:48
Speaker 6: What about the farmers, Larisa, that the farmers Larisa, Yeah,
26:52
Speaker 6: they're watching there up early.
26:56
Speaker 15: Well, I'm sure they've probably got better things to do
26:58
Speaker 15: to be sitting around watching Telly. But I'm also pretty
27:01
Speaker 15: sure that taxperinnuation balances.
27:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:06
Speaker 2: The point being here is we'll labor get a deal
27:09
Speaker 2: with the Greens or with the coalition. Surely the Coalition
27:12
Speaker 2: can't support this tax in any way, shape or form.
27:15
Speaker 2: The coalition is not supposed to be about increased taxes.
27:20
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, a good point.
27:21
Speaker 13: I mean there are two things that obviously we are
27:23
Speaker 13: vehemently opposed to. Taxing unrealized games is abhorrent and we
27:27
Speaker 13: would never support that under any guys. The fact they're
27:30
Speaker 13: not indexing it as well, means that more and more
27:32
Speaker 13: Australians are going to be affected by it. So certainly,
27:34
Speaker 13: and look, as you say, our starting point always is
27:37
Speaker 13: the coalition. We are a party of lower taxes and
27:40
Speaker 13: we want people to keep more of their own money,
27:42
Speaker 13: not hand more of it over to labor. But I
27:44
Speaker 13: think this is just the start, right, So we know
27:46
Speaker 13: this is going to be a really socialist government in
27:49
Speaker 13: their second term. They've been given a bigger majority the
27:51
Speaker 13: last time. They're going to be more arrogant than they
27:53
Speaker 13: were last time, and they're going to be more left
27:55
Speaker 13: wing than they are last time. What that means is
27:58
Speaker 13: more spending from them in their pet projects, but also
28:01
Speaker 13: one of them you just quoted earlier with the billions
28:03
Speaker 13: of dollars of spending there, which means they're going to
28:05
Speaker 13: have to go and get more billions of dollars from us,
28:07
Speaker 13: from taxpayers, from small businesses and households.
28:10
Speaker 1: So this is the beginning.
28:11
Speaker 13: But look we start I start personally always, I've been
28:15
Speaker 13: a lower taxing government and that has to be our
28:17
Speaker 13: starting point.
28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought, so, I know you're looking
28:20
Speaker 2: to do this review, but you know, Parliament will we
28:22
Speaker 2: are sitting in July, these issues will need to be
28:25
Speaker 2: dealt with. And surely the founding principle for the coalition
28:29
Speaker 2: ought to be enough taxation. The problem at the moment
28:33
Speaker 2: is government's being wasteful with our money rather than them
28:37
Speaker 2: not collecting enough tax.
28:41
Speaker 13: Well exactly, and there's you know the famous quotes from
28:43
Speaker 13: the Thatchers and Reagans of the world. You know, eventually
28:45
Speaker 13: socials run out, you know, spend run out of spending
28:47
Speaker 13: your money. So look, but look, our starting point, I'm
28:50
Speaker 13: sure our starting point is is that we are the
28:53
Speaker 13: side of politics that is into lower taxation and smaller government.
28:56
Speaker 13: That will always be the case. But there's going to
28:58
Speaker 13: be a big fight on for us. And you know,
29:00
Speaker 13: obviously we don't have the numbers in the Lower House
29:03
Speaker 13: or the Senate, Chris, and you know, fighting this and
29:05
Speaker 13: argue in these cases is going to be a full
29:07
Speaker 13: time business because labor will be even more into this
29:10
Speaker 13: stuff because of all the reasons.
29:12
Speaker 2: I just said, spot on, Kevin, thanks for joining us.
29:15
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Kevin Hogan. They're the deputy Deputy Nationals Leader.
29:18
Speaker 2: And as for that television exchange on breakfast television, Yes,
29:21
Speaker 2: the farmers.
29:22
Speaker 1: Are up early, but I think the roof of waters
29:24
Speaker 1: is right. They're up early.
29:26
Speaker 2: The milk the cows will get out amongst the amongst
29:29
Speaker 2: the herd, not that sitting around and watching breakfast TV. Anyway,
29:33
Speaker 2: on the other side of the break we're going to
29:34
Speaker 2: have a look at climate anxiety harming our children, a
29:37
Speaker 2: new report compiled by Claire Row. She'll go right through
29:40
Speaker 2: it in just a moment. Now I want to get
29:46
Speaker 2: back into what I reckon is a real worry for
29:48
Speaker 2: parents and their kids. Of course, that is climate anxiety.
29:51
Speaker 2: We're told about rising levels of mental health issues and
29:55
Speaker 2: depression with younger people, and now a new report has
29:58
Speaker 2: found that lessons about climate change and global warming should
30:02
Speaker 2: be delayed at schools until high school due to the
30:06
Speaker 2: rise of climate anxiety in our children. Child psychologists. Claire
30:10
Speaker 2: Row compiled the report for the Institute of Public Affairs.
30:14
Speaker 3: And she joins me now live on set. Good to
30:16
Speaker 3: talk to you again, Claire.
30:18
Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this broad issue a lot,
30:21
Speaker 2: and in your clinical work you see examples of climate anxiety.
30:25
Speaker 2: But what you've done here is looked at the school
30:28
Speaker 2: curriculum and found out how much alarmism I suppose is
30:32
Speaker 2: being foced on our kids at school.
30:34
Speaker 1: Give us a sense of what you found.
30:36
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is alarmism. This research is certainly the first
30:40
Speaker 8: of it's kind in Australia, if not worldwide, because up
30:43
Speaker 8: until now research has I guess, assumed that the rising
30:47
Speaker 8: levels of anxiety in children is because they are exposed
30:50
Speaker 8: to more rising sea levels and bushfires and floods. Well,
30:55
Speaker 8: the nine year old who see me in my Sydney clinic,
30:57
Speaker 8: you know, they're not exposed directly to rise in sea
31:00
Speaker 8: levels in their backyards.
31:01
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't think anywhere money is so far.
31:04
Speaker 8: Probably not And so I kind of thought, well, no,
31:07
Speaker 8: there's something else going on. And literally I've said to
31:10
Speaker 8: you before you know, I have had seven eight nine
31:12
Speaker 8: year olds in tears in my office because they do
31:16
Speaker 8: not think they're going to make it to adulthood. They
31:18
Speaker 8: think the older generations have failed them and the government's
31:21
Speaker 8: not listening and no one cares about them. I mean,
31:24
Speaker 8: that's just you know, atrocious. So yet we went and
31:26
Speaker 8: looked at the curriculum in detail, and the fact is
31:30
Speaker 8: sustainability aka climate is a what they call a cross curriculum.
31:37
Speaker 1: Priority.
31:38
Speaker 8: It's got to be embedded in every single subject from
31:42
Speaker 8: five years old. So we have christd.
31:44
Speaker 2: Five years old, a five year old doing maths or
31:48
Speaker 2: but social studies or whatever, get some sort of climate
31:51
Speaker 2: message in there.
31:51
Speaker 8: So in music they're writing rap songs about the climate.
31:54
Speaker 8: In English they're writing poetry about climate change. It's mandated,
31:59
Speaker 8: so teachers have to each across the curriculum. And so
32:02
Speaker 8: you know, it is no wonder when we're spending billions
32:04
Speaker 8: of dollars on mental health that these kids we're not
32:08
Speaker 8: actually educating them, we're just terrifying them.
32:11
Speaker 2: God, it's just all William that we're going to program
32:14
Speaker 2: people along these ways.
32:15
Speaker 1: Now.
32:15
Speaker 2: Now tell me, though, from what you've seen, is the
32:18
Speaker 2: way that climate change is inculcated into every subject from
32:22
Speaker 2: five years of age right through their schooling.
32:25
Speaker 3: Is it measured, is it balanced, is it scientific?
32:28
Speaker 1: Or is it a motive?
32:30
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's quite a motive. Look at the
32:32
Speaker 8: end of the day, and my report through the IPA,
32:35
Speaker 8: I'm not a climate change scientist. Okay, So even if
32:38
Speaker 8: you subscribe to the fact that we're all doomed and
32:41
Speaker 8: climate change is man made, my argument is we're not
32:45
Speaker 8: actually equipping the next generation to become the brilliant scientists
32:49
Speaker 8: who are going to come up with the adaptations who
32:51
Speaker 8: are going to solve the problem, because they're just paralyzed. So, yeah,
32:55
Speaker 8: they get messages on worksheets like there is no planet
32:58
Speaker 8: B and the Earth is no right.
33:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you say, you don't want to challenge
33:03
Speaker 2: the science or whatever. That's another story. But what we
33:06
Speaker 2: need kids to do is grow up being well adjusted
33:08
Speaker 2: and confident and maybe learning science and maths so that
33:12
Speaker 2: they can help solve problems in the future.
33:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well that's exactly right. And so what we
33:16
Speaker 8: need is just to return back to you know, when
33:19
Speaker 8: we were at school, it was like picking up your
33:21
Speaker 8: rubbish and care for the environment and saving water.
33:24
Speaker 3: That's all fine.
33:25
Speaker 1: Planting trees, telling them planting trees what.
33:28
Speaker 2: I call what I like to call the carbon pollution
33:30
Speaker 2: reduction machine, the tree. Let me just I want to
33:33
Speaker 2: show you someone and tell me something about this. Can
33:36
Speaker 2: we have a look at credit Tomburg.
33:39
Speaker 16: I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in
33:42
Speaker 16: school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you
33:45
Speaker 16: all come to us, young people for hope.
33:49
Speaker 4: How dare you.
33:50
Speaker 16: You have stolen my dreams in my childhood with your
33:54
Speaker 16: empty words, and yet I'm one of the lucky ones.
33:58
Speaker 16: We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and
34:02
Speaker 16: all you can talk about is money and fairy tales
34:06
Speaker 16: of eternal economic growth.
34:08
Speaker 1: Ow dare you well?
34:10
Speaker 2: That makes me laugh and WinCE, because that looks like
34:13
Speaker 2: a kid with climate anxiety. She's now on a way
34:15
Speaker 2: to Gaza. She's going to solve that, apparently. But I'm
34:17
Speaker 2: just wondering whether where a Thumberg turns up in the
34:20
Speaker 2: curriculum in any way, and whether she's portrayed as some
34:23
Speaker 2: sort of saint or some sort of font of wisdom.
34:25
Speaker 8: Look not specifically her, but as they go on in
34:29
Speaker 8: later years. Absolutely there is this kind of moral responsibility
34:34
Speaker 8: put on too kids. It's to try and save this
34:37
Speaker 8: or solve this issue. And if they don't take some
34:39
Speaker 8: type of behavioral action, we are kids coming home to
34:41
Speaker 8: parents saying, oh, we should eat less meat and we
34:44
Speaker 8: should use the family car less. And you know if
34:46
Speaker 8: they don't take these actions that their loved ones are
34:49
Speaker 8: going to, you know, suffer somehow. And yet you laugh
34:51
Speaker 8: at that. But I look at that, and I think,
34:53
Speaker 8: like the kids I see do believe this that we're
34:56
Speaker 8: in an extinction and that's just abusive.
34:59
Speaker 1: It's a terrible, terrible issue. So thanks for drawing attention
35:01
Speaker 1: to it again, Claire, appreciate it.
35:03
Speaker 2: Claire Row there and that's it. We're seeing it in kids.
35:06
Speaker 2: It is a problem. The school curriculum is encouraging.
35:10
Speaker 1: It got to have a break.
35:12
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with former Foreign
35:13
Speaker 2: Minister Alexander Downer. We'll talk about the latest of bombings
35:16
Speaker 2: by Ukraine in this ongoing fight against Russia. The debate
35:23
Speaker 2: about defense spending has just been given more ammunition by
35:26
Speaker 2: Australia's Chief of the Defense Force, Admiral David Johnston. Addressing
35:31
Speaker 2: an Australian Strategic Policy Institute conference. The CDF explained that
35:35
Speaker 2: further increases in defense spending could well be necessary.
35:40
Speaker 17: The opportunity we have with a biennial cycle now is
35:43
Speaker 17: to keep coming back and reviewing the strategy, looking at
35:47
Speaker 17: the opportunities or where the investments are required, putting the
35:51
Speaker 17: case to government to increase the defense expenditure where we
35:56
Speaker 17: believe it is needed to meet particular outcomes. Last the
36:01
Speaker 17: defense strategy was in twenty twenty four. The next one,
36:04
Speaker 17: of course, will be next year. We're in the process
36:07
Speaker 17: of doing that work and building that advice to government.
36:11
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, watch this space.
36:13
Speaker 2: Hey, let me bring in the former Foreign Minister of
36:15
Speaker 2: this great country, Alexander Downer, who joins me.
36:18
Speaker 1: Live from Adelaide this time. Good to talk to Alexander.
36:21
Speaker 2: You'll be fairly keenly interested in this debate about defense spending.
36:26
Speaker 2: I don't think we should have the American Defense Secretary
36:30
Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth telling us what we should spend, but as
36:34
Speaker 2: our major security ally, we ought to take notice of
36:36
Speaker 2: what they're thinking.
36:40
Speaker 5: Well, we don't want to give the Americans the impression
36:44
Speaker 5: that we're free riding as the Europeans have been doing
36:47
Speaker 5: for a long time. And of course what's happened to
36:51
Speaker 5: Europe is that Russia has invaded Ukraine. Europe, if you like,
36:56
Speaker 5: is at war and they are totally dependent on the Americans.
37:01
Speaker 5: So on the one hand, they criticize the Americans and
37:04
Speaker 5: don't like President Trump, but on the other hand they're
37:07
Speaker 5: dependent on them. Now, in our case, we need to
37:12
Speaker 5: make sure we make a serious contribution to our own
37:15
Speaker 5: defense and the balance of power in the Indo Pacific region.
37:20
Speaker 5: And that means investing substantially in things like missile defense,
37:27
Speaker 5: submarines of course, drones, other forms of new technology as
37:33
Speaker 5: well as traditional technology.
37:35
Speaker 1: But at the moment.
37:36
Speaker 5: Australia is surprisingly defenseless as we divert more and more
37:42
Speaker 5: of our defense budget into our ambition apparently to build
37:47
Speaker 5: submarines in Adelaide right here where I am, and so
37:52
Speaker 5: that money is being increasingly diverted into that task and
37:58
Speaker 5: away from essential military equipment we need to defend Australia
38:04
Speaker 5: and possibly quite soon.
38:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been really slow when it comes to the
38:08
Speaker 2: issue of drones, drone capability and as you say, missile defense.
38:12
Speaker 2: Sole keep an eye on all that and keep the
38:14
Speaker 2: pressure on. But I want to get your thoughts also
38:17
Speaker 2: on Ukraine, as you just mentioned, been some incredible responses
38:21
Speaker 2: attacked by Ukraine utilizing drone technology just in the last
38:26
Speaker 2: week taking out Russian bombers and then some underwater explosives
38:30
Speaker 2: at overnight have attacked that crucial bridge in Crimea. Again,
38:35
Speaker 2: Ukraine seems to be having some military success from what
38:39
Speaker 2: seems like a weak position.
38:43
Speaker 5: Yes, well they're not that weak. I mean they have
38:47
Speaker 5: a remarkable capacity to build military equipment. Remember during the
38:53
Speaker 5: period that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. Many
38:57
Speaker 5: of the military factories were at in Ukraine that supplied
39:03
Speaker 5: the Soviet Union. So the other thing is the Europeans
39:08
Speaker 5: and the Americans are now starting to give still more
39:11
Speaker 5: support to Ukraine, in particular providing them with longer range missiles,
39:17
Speaker 5: lifting the restrictions that President Biden imposed on missile range.
39:24
Speaker 5: And so what's the big picture here. The big picture
39:27
Speaker 5: is if President Trump and the Europeans want to cease fire,
39:31
Speaker 5: and that's a good ambition to have, then they have
39:34
Speaker 5: to convince the Russians that the Russians can never win. Yeah,
39:39
Speaker 5: I mean that would be if I were the president
39:41
Speaker 5: of the United States. That'd be my message to President Persian. Look, mate,
39:46
Speaker 5: you can never win this war, and I'm going to
39:49
Speaker 5: make sure you never can.
39:51
Speaker 3: So let's have a ceasefire.
39:53
Speaker 17: Now.
39:53
Speaker 2: You wrote about this really perceptively in The Australian earlier
39:57
Speaker 2: this week. You said Donald Trump needs up on his history.
40:01
Speaker 2: If he's not reading, someone needs to brief him on it.
40:03
Speaker 2: And it's this idea of peace through strength and making
40:06
Speaker 2: sure he understands just how expansionist Russia is.
40:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the other thing is understanding It goes back
40:16
Speaker 5: to the debate we've been having about defense here in Australia.
40:21
Speaker 5: Understand the linkages between the wars that are happening in
40:27
Speaker 5: Europe and in the Middle East, the role of Iran,
40:31
Speaker 5: the relationship between Iran and Russia, and of course the
40:36
Speaker 5: atm for Iran and Russia, that's China, and the risks
40:43
Speaker 5: of these three working together, which they are doing to
40:48
Speaker 5: undermine the West. And the worst thing that could happen
40:53
Speaker 5: would be a war between the United States and its
40:57
Speaker 5: allies and China. Over time. But if China is convinced
41:03
Speaker 5: that the West, to particularly the Americans, are robust and
41:07
Speaker 5: will not yield in Ukraine, and that they will force
41:12
Speaker 5: Run to do a non nuclear deal, then that will
41:17
Speaker 5: discourage the Chinese Chinese from embarking on an adventure to
41:23
Speaker 5: try and take Taiwan.
41:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all connected and it's all worrying just at
41:28
Speaker 2: this particular moment.
41:29
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. Alexander down
41:32
Speaker 1: on their Live from Adelaide. We've got to get to
41:34
Speaker 1: a break.
41:34
Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to take up elon
41:36
Speaker 2: Musk and he's spat with Donald Trump over the so
41:39
Speaker 2: called big beautiful Bill will kick off that debate with
41:43
Speaker 2: Justin Smith and Lisa got out a whole lot more. Well,
41:50
Speaker 2: let's get into the Wednesday wrangle with Justin Smith, columnist, author,
41:54
Speaker 2: broadcast it joins us live from Melbourne and Lisa got
41:56
Speaker 2: out from a dony.
41:57
Speaker 1: Media up in sunny Brisbane. Talk to you both.
42:01
Speaker 2: Well, I've got to start off on this at the
42:03
Speaker 2: end of the bromance, on the Musk and Trump falling out, Lisa,
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Speaker 2: this doesn't surprise me one little bit because you've got
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Speaker 2: two of the biggest egos in the world, also two.
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Speaker 1: Of the most powerful men in the world.
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Speaker 2: That are hardly going to take too well to sharing
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Speaker 2: not only adulation and fame, but sharing power.
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Speaker 4: Well, they lasted one hundred and thirty days, didn't they.
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Speaker 4: And of course in the White House on the weekend
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Speaker 4: we saw Trump praising Musk. But Musk has hit back
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Speaker 4: today and look, he's giving Donald Trump and all Republicans
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Speaker 4: really the ultimate You're fired. He's going out there and
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Speaker 4: saying to all of the Americans, you've been let down
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Speaker 4: basically at the midterms, make your voice heard. He wants
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Speaker 4: the Republicans to pay for this because at the end
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Speaker 4: of the day, he spent over a quarter of a
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Speaker 4: billion dollars to get Trump elected. He went in there
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Speaker 4: spooking during the campaign that he would find two trillion
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Speaker 4: dollars in savings. I think when you look at the
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Speaker 4: final summ it was about one hundred and seventy five billion,
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Speaker 4: which is nothing to snee that. But when he looks
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Speaker 4: at what Trump's doing with this big, beautiful bill, those
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Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five billion dollars, we've pretty much
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Speaker 4: eaten up and gone. What a waste of time for him.
43:08
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, Tesla and all of his other businesses have
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Speaker 4: been attacked by the greenies and he's no longer the
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Speaker 4: darling of the the climate change.
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Speaker 1: Sure not at all.
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Speaker 2: I had I told you so moment at the top
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Speaker 2: of the program. But you and I justin disagree on
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Speaker 2: so many things. This is something you and I agreed
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Speaker 2: on from the start.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 6: My first impression is it's going to end in tears.
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Speaker 6: So we've got two giant egos, one giant ego that
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Speaker 6: has appointed another giant ego, and Giant Ego Number one
43:38
Speaker 6: doesn't like it when he gets outshined by other people
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Speaker 6: and giant ego number two loves to outshine people. So
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Speaker 6: I would suggest, let's let's talk in six months down
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Speaker 6: the track and see how this cuddly and lovely relationship
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Speaker 6: is faring.
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Speaker 2: If you're a Tesla, if you're a Tesla shareholder, how
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Speaker 2: do you feel about the bloke you're supposed to be
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Speaker 2: running the company now trying to run the federal brocracy?
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Speaker 1: And is he going to sit around smoking dope ball?
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Speaker 1: He's doing this with Joe Reagan.
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Speaker 2: There you go, justin you were spot on where we've
44:07
Speaker 2: checked in now just over six months on from there,
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Speaker 2: and it has all ended in tears.
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Speaker 6: Gee, that guy and the black he really knows what
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Speaker 6: he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: You should get him on more often. Yeah, yeah, but
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Speaker 1: how's your footage own? I had a feeling that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's right.
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Speaker 6: I had this feeling that it may actually end a
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Speaker 6: little earlier than what it did because the Trump's got
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Speaker 6: a big history of this, like we were talking about there.
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Speaker 6: Trump's got this an enormous history. And when people start
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Speaker 6: coming in and start getting a little more pressed than
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Speaker 6: he is, or start eating into his column inures, he
44:42
Speaker 6: really doesn't like it. So I wonder who's next in
44:45
Speaker 6: the gun. I wonder whether the vance it might be
44:49
Speaker 6: in the gun at some point. You can't you can't
44:51
Speaker 6: sack the vice president, but I wonder whether he's going
44:53
Speaker 6: to be stuck in the freezer a little bit as well.
44:56
Speaker 6: There's a prediction stick that one on tape, because that
44:58
Speaker 6: might happen in the next few months as well.
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Speaker 2: If I was JD, I'd just be smart enough just
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Speaker 2: to ease back, just let the trump Man do it
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Speaker 2: and make sure he's in a good place to take
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Speaker 2: the nomination next time around. But let's go from the
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Speaker 2: heady world of Washington, d C. Politics and the Leader
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Speaker 2: of the Free World to Tasmanian politics, Lisa, And as
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Speaker 2: we speak, the Tasmanian Premier Rockcliffe is fighting for his
45:22
Speaker 2: life in Parliament and no confidence motion being debated in Parliament.
45:26
Speaker 2: If it gets up, and all indications are it will
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Speaker 2: get up, there could be what a new premier or
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Speaker 2: even an election, Chris.
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Speaker 4: They're in their seventh hour of debate now and I've
45:37
Speaker 4: just checked before they've all come to an agreement, agreement
45:40
Speaker 4: on he's a good bloke. That's where they've got to
45:42
Speaker 4: at this point in time. But right he is not
45:44
Speaker 4: going to I don't think step down. He won't resign.
45:48
Speaker 4: He will call that snap election, because he already indicated
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Speaker 4: at the end of last year when there were other
45:52
Speaker 4: no confidence motions being thrown around, that he would go
45:54
Speaker 4: to the governor. But the question will be if they
45:56
Speaker 4: do put somebody forward from the Liberal Party, they have
45:59
Speaker 4: to convince the governor they can then continue to govern
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Speaker 4: as a minority that they'll have the crossbench support, and
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Speaker 4: I don't think they'll get that. So look crossing the
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Speaker 4: baths straight. They say it's one of the most turbulent
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Speaker 4: and unpredictable season the world. Well, i'll tell you what.
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Speaker 4: The parliament down in Tasmania isn't much different, is it.
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Speaker 2: I got to say, there's a big element of this
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Speaker 2: story that relates to footy, and footy is very important
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Speaker 2: to me, you know, after my family, nothing counts more
46:23
Speaker 2: than footy. And well i'll tell you what. Wait un
46:28
Speaker 2: till Richmond comes up against the Crows next time and
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Speaker 2: see how you go. But the point is the whole
46:34
Speaker 2: future of the stadium in Hobart and therefore the new
46:39
Speaker 2: Tasmanian AFL team hangs in the balance because of all this.
46:43
Speaker 2: So have a listen here to the general manager of
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Speaker 2: the Tasmanian Devils and just see how emotional she is
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Speaker 2: about this political conflagration.
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Speaker 1: Can I just sick?
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Speaker 14: This can't bespowered by our future generations, by our kids
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Speaker 14: and by our grand kids.
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Speaker 2: There you go, justin as you know, footy is life
47:19
Speaker 2: for the Tazzi Devil's fighting to get even on the
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Speaker 2: field now thanks to politics.
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Speaker 6: Wow gee, if that happens, if it ends up that
47:28
Speaker 6: they can't, something has got to come in and save it, surely,
47:31
Speaker 6: because it would be just a disaster for Tasmania to
47:35
Speaker 6: get us, to get them to the brink of having
47:37
Speaker 6: their own team in the AFL, which would have done
47:39
Speaker 6: you know, let's be frank, that would have done so
47:41
Speaker 6: much and will do. Let's stay positive about it. Will
47:44
Speaker 6: do so much for Tasmania if this team can get up.
47:47
Speaker 6: So the thought of it being ruined by I think
47:50
Speaker 6: we've had enough of politics, haven't we. Yeah, the politicians
47:55
Speaker 6: and fiddling around.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money, but the Tasmane's you've got
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Speaker 2: to do it to have a decent stadium.
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Speaker 1: And then we're all the same out we all like
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Speaker 1: I haven't been to Tazzy for holiday and years.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if if the if the Crows
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Speaker 2: are playing down in Hobart. That's the reason the book.
48:11
Speaker 2: You holiday and get down there absolutely the week people.
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Speaker 6: Or someone new to flog the crows, a new team
48:16
Speaker 6: to flog the crows.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be great, Jim.
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Speaker 2: I know the Richmond supporters mon't go down there because
48:21
Speaker 2: that'd be busy off up in the snow or something.
48:23
Speaker 2: Now I've got to get to something else to cheer
48:25
Speaker 2: us up. Some really important news and it comes from
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Speaker 2: Meghan Michael. Of course, that's the font of wisdom we
48:30
Speaker 2: looked at at these moments. Here we go, here's the
48:32
Speaker 2: latest from Meghan about how who needing a break?
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Speaker 18: Apparently for me at the moment with as ever, it
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Speaker 18: was great, we planned, we planned for a year, We
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Speaker 18: get and then everything sells out in forty five minutes
48:43
Speaker 18: with yes, amazing, great news.
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Speaker 1: But then what do you do? Then?
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Speaker 10: Then what do you do?
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Speaker 18: And then you say, okay, we planned as best as
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Speaker 18: we could. Are we going to replenish and sell out
48:54
Speaker 18: again in an hour? Or is that annoying as a customer.
48:57
Speaker 18: I'm looking at it and saying, just pause, yeah, that happened.
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Speaker 18: Let's wait until we are come in the goalie stable
49:05
Speaker 18: and we have everything we need.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Lisa, she needs a break. It's tiring talking about
49:11
Speaker 2: yourself all the time.
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Speaker 4: Well that'll. Spotify canceled her on that one, so thank
49:17
Speaker 4: goodness for that. But look, here's my take on this, Chris,
49:20
Speaker 4: from a marketing perspective. She is a genius because what
49:22
Speaker 4: you do is only allow enough stock, but it does
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Speaker 4: sell out within forty five minutes, and then you get
49:28
Speaker 4: to go around the world and say, look, I'm so popular.
49:30
Speaker 4: It also hold out within forty five minutes and push
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Speaker 4: the brand forward. So that's what I think this is.
49:34
Speaker 4: And look, I'd be very happy if she never stocks
49:36
Speaker 4: her shelves again.
49:37
Speaker 1: I don't get the teas and the.
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Speaker 4: Jams and everything else that goes with it hold me back.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what she's selling. All I know is
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. Thanks for joining us, Lisa and Justin.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week and I'll catch you tomorrow night. Cheers,