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Dr. Ben Carson: The Founding Fathers Are Rolling in Their Graves — And Iran Will Use the Bomb · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ben Carson on camera in this interview with me,
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Speaker 1: says the founding fathers would be rolling over in their
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Speaker 1: graves over what's happening in this country. And then he
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Speaker 1: told me exactly why Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon
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Speaker 1: because they use it. I'm Joe Pegs. This is that
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Speaker 1: conversation since the death of our friend Charlie Kirk, where
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Speaker 1: you and I were actually having an interview when we
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Speaker 1: found out about that. I feel like there are a
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Speaker 1: bunch of people jocking for position to try to fill
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Speaker 1: that void. And Ben, I'll be honest with you, I
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Speaker 1: think they're doing a really bad job at it. What
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Speaker 1: do you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, Unfortunately, that occurs on both sides of the political aisle.
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Speaker 2: People more concerned about their own personal power and their
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Speaker 2: own personal advancement than the country. And that's very sad
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Speaker 2: because we're coming up on a two hundred and fiftieth
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Speaker 2: anniversary of the Station and the people who are involved
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Speaker 2: in the creation of this nation are just probably rolling
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Speaker 2: over in their graves as yeeseing what's going on because
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Speaker 2: many of them gave up all their wealth, they gave
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Speaker 2: up everything they could give for an idea, an idea
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Speaker 2: that created a dream, the American dream, and now to
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Speaker 2: see people tearing away at it. You know, for instance,
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Speaker 2: what happened in Virginia after the Supreme Court's decision there
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Speaker 2: with them trying to completely wreck the system calling for
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Speaker 2: lowering the age of the justices so you get rid
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Speaker 2: of all of them and put the people you want
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Speaker 2: in there. I mean, how does that even mildly resemble
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Speaker 2: the democratic society that we were trying to create.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't, Well, it doesn't, you're right, because you've got
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Speaker 1: Marxists and progressives taking over, pretending like they're Democrats. For
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Speaker 1: those who are watching or listening, what the doctor is
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Speaker 1: referring to is the Supreme Court said four to three,
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Speaker 1: you guys can't redistrict because early voting already started so procedurally.
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Speaker 1: They just couldn't do it because they would have disenfranchised
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Speaker 1: everybody who early voted if you're going to change the districts.
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Speaker 1: So what the Democrat leadership in Virginia said they'd like
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Speaker 1: to do is lower the retirement age from seventy three
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Speaker 1: to either fifty three or fifty four. And been the
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Speaker 1: youngest judge in the court. Guess how old he is.
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Speaker 1: He's fifty four, So every single justice would be shown
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Speaker 1: the door and they would just replace him with seven
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Speaker 1: new progressives.
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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And you know, I think anybody who has
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Speaker 2: anything that even resembles a conscience or a degree of
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Speaker 2: fairness sees that as absurd, and I suspect it will
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Speaker 2: be tossed to the curb before long. But the fact
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Speaker 2: that people think that that is viable is a warning
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Speaker 2: sign in terms of where we're going as a nation.
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Speaker 1: It's doctor Ben Carson, an incredible neurosurgeon, retired now American
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Speaker 1: Cornerstone dot org. His book is called One Nation, Why
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Speaker 1: we could all do what we can all do to
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Speaker 1: save America's future. And the new movie coming out that's
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Speaker 1: going to premiere at the Trump Kennedy Center is called
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Speaker 1: Star Spangled Adventures. The movie. We'll talk about that in
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Speaker 1: earnest in a second. Back to my earlier point, I
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Speaker 1: really would love your opinion on this because I think
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Speaker 1: that people like you and me can be part of
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Speaker 1: filling that void, provided we don't change our thought process
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Speaker 1: day to day. There are really really big names, and
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Speaker 1: we can name them or not, but I think people
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Speaker 1: watching and listening to who they are who one day
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Speaker 1: to the next, are changing their feelings on the Iran war,
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Speaker 1: are changing their feelings on how we feel about Israel,
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Speaker 1: are changing their feelings about what happened to Charlie kirk Ben.
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Speaker 1: Why can't we just gather together and convene as a
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Speaker 1: people that love the country and want to see it's
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Speaker 1: got another two hundred and fifty years. Why can't we
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Speaker 1: get together and say let's just be on the same
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Speaker 1: side now and not have all this infighting, because I
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Speaker 1: think it's confusing the electorate. And most importantly, and you
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Speaker 1: know more about this than most, the young vote is
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Speaker 1: going to sit on their hands. They're not going to
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Speaker 1: go and vote because they don't know what to do now.
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Speaker 1: Charlie was giving us a message that said America first,
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Speaker 1: get married, have babies, Judeo Christian values, traditional Western civilization.
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Speaker 1: And now you've got people that all alleged to have
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Speaker 1: been his friends saying completely opposite things.
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Speaker 2: What do we do well. I'm actually not discouraged because
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Speaker 2: I've been going around for college campuses and talking to
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Speaker 2: young people there. I think a lot of them, particularly
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Speaker 2: young males, are recognizing that the direction of our country
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Speaker 2: is not good. It's not where they want to go
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Speaker 2: and they're searching desperately for something else. That's why so
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Speaker 2: many of them are coming back to church at this time.
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Speaker 2: You've got to realize that it was our faith and
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Speaker 2: our families that allowed us to accelerate in the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Those were the pillars of strength for our nation. And
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Speaker 2: those who want to fundamentally change us know that that's
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Speaker 2: what You attack faith families and it's having the desired
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Speaker 2: effect for them. But the question is who's going to
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Speaker 2: win the race? So we're going to have more people
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Speaker 2: actually return to common sense and the values that made
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Speaker 2: us successful, or are they going to win the race
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Speaker 2: and destroy the fundamentals of all the things that made
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Speaker 2: a great nation. That's where we are right now.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about the debate culture? Because Charlie
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Speaker 1: didn't really debate. Charlie had conversations. You and I don't debate.
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Speaker 1: We have conversations. I do three hours a day on
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Speaker 1: radio nationally. People call in to challenge me all the time,
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Speaker 1: and we can either have a really good conversation or
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Speaker 1: I can look like I smoked you and dog walked
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Speaker 1: you in the debate and then get Brownie points for
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Speaker 1: a day online. What about are you in favor of
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Speaker 1: this debate culture we're seeing because Charlie did it in
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Speaker 1: a very different way. He invited people who disagreed with
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Speaker 1: him more than he invited people that agreed to have
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Speaker 1: a discussion in a conversation.
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Speaker 2: And that's where it should be done. You should put
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Speaker 2: the facts in the middle of the table and then
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Speaker 2: have your discussion. Yes, the based discussion on the facts,
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Speaker 2: not on your feelings that particular day, right, which, just
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Speaker 2: as you said, from week to weight, depending what's going on.
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Speaker 2: If you're not a principal individual, you know, you talk
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Speaker 2: about Iran, you know some people are for the war
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Speaker 2: and then the next week they're against it. Right, those
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Speaker 2: are not principal people. You have to understand that there's
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Speaker 2: a reason that Trump is going after Iran. Their behavior
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Speaker 2: demonstrates that when they get a nuclear weapon, they're going
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Speaker 2: to use it. Yes, different for them than it is
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Speaker 2: for others, because others don't want to die. They aren't
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Speaker 2: adverse to dying because they think when they die, if
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Speaker 2: they're fighting in the cars, they go to heaven with
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Speaker 2: seventy two virgins.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: What they don't realize when they get there is there's
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Speaker 2: going to be a whole bunch of people stomping on them,
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Speaker 2: and they're going to say, what happened? No, it's seventy Virginians.
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Speaker 1: No, that's right, Virginia's not virgin You know what's interesting
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Speaker 1: is you're absolutely right. I think that when judgment day comes,
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Speaker 1: when they get there, they're going to go, oh man,
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Speaker 1: we were really wrong about this and this this country
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Speaker 1: has been hating on us for upwards of fifty years. Now,
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Speaker 1: somebody has to do something. There's a piece of video
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Speaker 1: that I'm s you've seen of then Donald Trump, the Developer,
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Speaker 1: at thirty something years old, saying we got to do
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Speaker 1: something about this. These people will absolutely annihilate us if
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Speaker 1: they get the chance. But then I wonder and another
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Speaker 1: you you probably are more understanding of how people think
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Speaker 1: than most. I know that you're a neurosurgeon, which is
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Speaker 1: the actual physical going in and fixing a brain, but
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Speaker 1: I know that you know a lot about psychology too.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think the Left thought they could appease
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Speaker 1: Iran and Iran would just do what they said, here's
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Speaker 1: one point six billion dollars on palettes of cash, please
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Speaker 1: don't do bad things. Then they did more bad things.
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Speaker 1: Let me unfree six billion dollars, said Joe Biden, and
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Speaker 1: then don't do bad things, and then Iran did bad things.
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Speaker 1: Why does the Left think that they can negotiate and
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Speaker 1: deal with them and that in that way, whereas Trump says,
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Speaker 1: we're going to show you might.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are very gullible.
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Speaker 2: And you got to remember also that many of them
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Speaker 2: have been conditioned that way from the time they were
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Speaker 2: in grade school. They've been told America bad. America has slavery,
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Speaker 2: therefore their bad. Americans moved the Indians olive away, therefore
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Speaker 2: their bad. Everything that they can think of as bad,
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Speaker 2: they say America did it. Now, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 2: those were good things that America did, but I am
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Speaker 2: saying we should teach them everything they're good to bad
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Speaker 2: and the ugly, because there's a heck of a lot
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Speaker 2: more good than there is bad and ugly. And look
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Speaker 2: where we landed. We went from nowhere in the world
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Speaker 2: to the pinnacle of the world in record time. That
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Speaker 2: was not an accident. That was because of our values
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Speaker 2: and principles. And I would argue that with anybody.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think as it'd say, there are more slaves
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Speaker 1: today on the continent of Africa than there ever were
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Speaker 1: here in the United States combined. And we always forget
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Speaker 1: the fact that Western civilization is who banned slavery. England
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Speaker 1: did it first. There are states in this country that
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Speaker 1: you know that banned slavery in the seventeen hundreds, then
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Speaker 1: finally it was fully banned in eighteen sixty one, and
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Speaker 1: finally done and done in eighteen sixty five. But why
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Speaker 1: don't we get no credit for saying this was a
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Speaker 1: bad thing? This ben You know this because you've studied history.
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Speaker 1: This was an argument by the founding father is day one,
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Speaker 1: we should get rid of slavery, we should not enslave
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Speaker 1: human beings. And some states, some colonies did that immediately.
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Speaker 1: It took a while for the rest of them to
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Speaker 1: do it, generally speaking democrats. But why don't we get
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Speaker 1: any credit for fixing that wrong? People today are acting
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Speaker 1: like we didn't do one hundred fifty years ago. What
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Speaker 1: we did.
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Speaker 2: What we should understand and what we should teach is
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Speaker 2: that virtually every civilization in the history of the world
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Speaker 2: has had to deal with slavery. Yeah, so that did
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Speaker 2: not make us unique. What made us unique was the
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Speaker 2: fact that we had so many people who vehemently opposed it,
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Speaker 2: that we fought a bloody civil war and lost a
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Speaker 2: large portion of our population. Then doing so, Yes, and
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Speaker 2: we should also teach about the underground or oil road,
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Speaker 2: and how many people sacrificed everything they had, including their
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Speaker 2: lives in some cases, in order to provide a method
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Speaker 2: of of escape from the sives.
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Speaker 1: It go ahead. Well, you're right, they don't talk a
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Speaker 1: bit about that because they need us to continue to
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Speaker 1: be an evil nation, like you said earlier, they have
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Speaker 1: to make us bad when we're the ones that have
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Speaker 1: been in the forefront, the tip of the spear and
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Speaker 1: ending the bad and the ills of the world. Like
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Speaker 1: you said, it's why we're so successful, and we're successful
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Speaker 1: as a as e pluribus unham. Yes, we're one country,
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Speaker 1: you know many we get one. Yes, we're a melting pot,
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Speaker 1: but it's made up of all sorts of shades and
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Speaker 1: tones and ancestry. There is no other land on earth
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Speaker 1: like us. So why can we convince those who are
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Speaker 1: leading this charge to say we're bad? Can we make
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Speaker 1: them understand that they're wrong? Or do they know that
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Speaker 1: they're wrong? But there's a there's another goal.
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Speaker 2: Well, their goal is just power. That's all they care about.
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Speaker 2: They want to have control. And you know they're not
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Speaker 2: unique in that sense. People as long as there have
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Speaker 2: been people, they want to control other people. Right, everybody
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Speaker 2: can have a nice, peaceful piece of land with beautiful
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Speaker 2: pastures and streams and fruit trees. You think they'd be said, right, No,
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Speaker 2: they said, I want.
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Speaker 1: His that's human nature, right, exactly right. So I mean
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Speaker 1: I get what you're laying down. Let me take you
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Speaker 1: to education, which is sort of where we're kind of
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Speaker 1: talking about on the Purfery. It's doctor Ben Carson go
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Speaker 1: to go grab his new book called What We Can
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Speaker 1: Do Well, it's called One Nation, What we Can All
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Speaker 1: Do to Save America's Future. The movie is called StarSpangled Adventures.
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Speaker 1: The movie premieres at the Trump Kennedy Center. Did it
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Speaker 1: every premiere or is it going to premiere?
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Speaker 2: No, it's going to premiere on the fourteenth of January
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Speaker 2: at the beautiful Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk more about that in a second. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about education because you and I both
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Speaker 1: have our roots in Michigan. I spent eight or nine
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Speaker 1: years in Michigan. It's a television news anchor there, radio
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Speaker 1: talk show host there. My wife was born there, one
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Speaker 1: of my children was born, the two of my children
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Speaker 1: born there. We've got very deep roots. So do you
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Speaker 1: you're from Detroit. I spent time in Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids, Lansing,
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Speaker 1: Sagon On Flint, the Whole Place stores in Detroit. When
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Speaker 1: I see the Big House in ann Arbor, when I
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Speaker 1: see the University of Michigan with a packed stadium eighty
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Speaker 1: ninety one hundred thousand people listening to a faculty member
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Speaker 1: praise the Palestinians and call Israel what Israel's doing in
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Speaker 1: Gaza a genocide, he did that yesterday, the day before. Ben.
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Speaker 1: This is a guy in Michigan. This is Middle America, man,
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Speaker 1: this is where the auto industry came from, where Motown
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Speaker 1: came from, where doctor Ben Carson came from. And this
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Speaker 1: guy's doing this in front of a cheering crowd. They
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Speaker 1: cheered for him, that he was decrying the so called
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Speaker 1: genocide that Israel's bringing to Gaza. How do we change
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Speaker 1: that guy and how do we make the people who
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Speaker 1: are cheering him understand that he's just an idiot.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the very reason that at the American class
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Speaker 2: On Institute, we start the Little Patriots program. We want
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Speaker 2: to get to the young people before they are transformed,
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Speaker 2: and the Marxists have the opposite go They want to
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Speaker 2: get to them quickly. And that's why Lennon said, give
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Speaker 2: me four years to teach your children and to see
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Speaker 2: that I plant will never be uprooted. They get to
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Speaker 2: them early, so that starts. By the time they've gotten
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Speaker 2: to the University of Michigan or Harvard or Columbia or
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Speaker 2: any of these places, they're already well on their way
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Speaker 2: to Marxism. That was their goal, and that stated in
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Speaker 2: the forty five Goals of Communism that's in the Congressional
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Speaker 2: Record January ten, nineteen sixty three. Get to the children
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Speaker 2: early so that you can indoctrinate them and use the
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Speaker 2: college campuses as fertilizer. They've got this thing planned out.
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Speaker 2: And unless we can get our people to realize that
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Speaker 2: they are being used, they're simply pawns in a scheme
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Speaker 2: to try to fundamentally change America to something else. And
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Speaker 2: if we don't realize what they're doing and continue to
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Speaker 2: allow ourselves to be used, we're going to lose.
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Speaker 1: So we are realizing it.
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Speaker 2: Jeff said it. He said, your grandchildren will live.
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Speaker 1: Under Eddie meant it. And by the way, those who
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Speaker 1: live in New York car they're living under communism. Now
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Speaker 1: with this mayor's doctor Ben Carson. So let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this is that why so many communities are doing
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Speaker 1: this pre K. They're forcing taxpayers to pay for pre
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Speaker 1: K education and then we have nothing to say about
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Speaker 1: what the education is going to be.
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Speaker 2: Well, they'll do everything that they can possibly do to
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Speaker 2: gain control as early as they possibly can, because, as
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Speaker 2: the Bible says, training up a child in the way
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Speaker 2: should go when he's older and not depart from it.
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Speaker 2: And they're doing a good job, but we have to
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Speaker 2: do a better job, and we have to teach our
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Speaker 2: children everything about our country, the incredible values that can
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Speaker 2: you imagine the courage that it took for the original
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Speaker 2: founders to say to the King of England, the most
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Speaker 2: powerful man on earth, no, and some that knows that them,
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Speaker 2: we're doing it our way, We're going to rule ourselves.
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Speaker 2: And I imagine his fury was unbounded. Of course, they
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Speaker 2: came over here and thought that they were going to win,
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Speaker 2: and they probably would have except for one thing the
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Speaker 2: grace of God, and that's why God is in all
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Speaker 2: of our founding documents, and that's why we can't forget them.
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Speaker 2: And this Sunday there's going to be a big program
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Speaker 2: on the mall, a day of prayer. Two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty years ago, there was a day of prayer, right,
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Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks before the declaration of independence.
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Speaker 2: We need it again.
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Speaker 1: Well, Ben, I believe that you're out there in the
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Speaker 1: forefront telling this story which is true, that Generation Z
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Speaker 1: is doing a revitalization of the Geneo Christian values of
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Speaker 1: going back to church and being Christians and being biblical
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Speaker 1: and marrying and having children. But there's a battle, isn't there?
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Speaker 1: Because they just talked about gen Z cheering this idiot
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Speaker 1: at the University of Michigan. So how do we win
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Speaker 1: their hearts and minds? Because there is this ground swell
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Speaker 1: of gen Z getting us back to church, which is great,
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Speaker 1: there's also a ground swell of gen Z saying screw that,
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Speaker 1: we're not doing it. I want to be more secular.
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Speaker 2: What do we do? I think instead of going and
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Speaker 2: battling with them, let's talk to them. And you know,
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Speaker 2: one of the things that Charlie loved to do is
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Speaker 2: just ask them questions, well, why do you believe in that?
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Speaker 2: They don't go very deep before they run answers on
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Speaker 2: that right, right, And sometimes that was the thing that
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Speaker 2: changed people and got them to realize maybe there's another
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Speaker 2: way to think other than the group think that's been
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Speaker 2: imposed upon them by those who are trying to fundamentally
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Speaker 2: change our country.
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Speaker 1: His book is One Nation, What we can all do
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Speaker 1: to save America's future. The movie is called kin A
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Speaker 1: premiere in January. The movie is called StarSpangled Adventure. Is
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Speaker 1: the movie you know, as we watch all of this
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Speaker 1: unfold and as we head into the next two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty years, this push by the progressive left, and
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Speaker 1: I think you and I have talked about this before.
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Speaker 1: This isn't new. This started in like nineteen hundred or
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Speaker 1: nineteen ten. In fact, there are many stories that say
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Speaker 1: Hitler got what he did and how he did it
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Speaker 1: from some progressives here in the United States that wanted
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Speaker 1: to do it here but couldn't get it done. These
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Speaker 1: are bad people that will wait one hundred years, one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years they think they're still going to win.
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Speaker 1: Ben is there any I know that you're an optimistic guy.
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Speaker 1: I know that you're glass half full guy. So am
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Speaker 1: I generally speaking. But when you see Mom Donni get
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Speaker 1: New York City, when you see Karen Bass running LA,
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Speaker 1: when you see Brendon Johnson running running Chicago, you're seeing
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Speaker 1: exactly what the progressive's dream was in nineteen hundred. Can
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Speaker 1: we undo that?
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Speaker 2: Well? I also am a student of the Bible, and
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Speaker 2: the Bible tells us what the world is going to
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Speaker 2: be like before Christ returns, and it's almost a perfectly
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Speaker 2: fitting glove. Right now, we're getting there evil everywhere, wrong
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Speaker 2: is right and right is wrong. Right, you know, God
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Speaker 2: is evil. I mean, the list goes on in all
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Speaker 2: as you do is read it, and you'll see all
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Speaker 2: those things that it says is going to happen, the
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Speaker 2: way people were going to be toward each other, even
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Speaker 2: toward their parents and their siblings. Yes, it's all happening.
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Speaker 2: That kind of hatred doesn't mean that we shouldn't try
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Speaker 2: to do our best and exemplify the right kind of spirit.
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Speaker 2: And some people will be converted by that. But the
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Speaker 2: inevitable is going to happen, and we're not going to
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Speaker 2: be able to stop that. We all have a sphere
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Speaker 2: of influence. We have something we can do and we
19:03
Speaker 2: should try and we should try to get people to
19:06
Speaker 2: understand that they have a choice. You don't have to
19:09
Speaker 2: be a mean person. You don't have to be someone
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Speaker 2: who's seeking to destroy or cancel someone. You can be
19:16
Speaker 2: someone who is encouraging. Try it for a day. If
19:20
Speaker 2: you're one of those mean people, try for one day
19:22
Speaker 2: being nice to everybody you encounter and see how that feels.
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Speaker 1: But you do that every day. I don't know if
19:29
Speaker 1: you've ever been mean to anybody, Maybe when you were
19:30
Speaker 1: a kid, because you're a bit of a troubled child.
19:33
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about that, but I'm look at it,
19:35
Speaker 1: look at who you became. So I mean, is it
19:39
Speaker 1: that I don't know? Is it that cerebral for you
19:42
Speaker 1: to use a brain term that you go into every
19:44
Speaker 1: interaction planning on that interaction to be positive, and you'll
19:47
Speaker 1: do your best because you realize you're still gonna get negativity.
19:50
Speaker 1: You're still gonna get negativity back even if you're positive.
19:53
Speaker 2: The thing that made me realize that I needed to
19:56
Speaker 2: change my behavior was I realized that I was selfish,
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Speaker 2: that it was always about me, my and I right,
20:04
Speaker 2: And if I took myself out of the center of
20:06
Speaker 2: the equation and put other people in the center of
20:09
Speaker 2: the equation, try to think about how do they feel
20:13
Speaker 2: and treat them accordingly.
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Speaker 1: It makes a big difference, Doctor Ben Carson, I thought
20:19
Speaker 1: you were gonna see your mom. The reason why I
20:20
Speaker 1: stopped doing that was because you told me. Your mother
20:22
Speaker 1: made your stop doing that, and you gave her all
20:24
Speaker 1: the credit, which which makes a lot of sense. You know, Ben,
20:26
Speaker 1: It's funny what you just said. I wasn't gonna go
20:28
Speaker 1: here at all, but you're right. For some reason, these
20:31
Speaker 1: these devices in her hand all the time, cameras in
20:33
Speaker 1: our faces. People fighting and we take out a camera
20:35
Speaker 1: to instead of breaking up the fight and saving somebody,
20:37
Speaker 1: we're taking a video of it. We society has, maybe
20:41
Speaker 1: the overlords wherever they happen to be, put these in
20:44
Speaker 1: our hands and told us, you be the star of
20:46
Speaker 1: the day, You be the center of the universe. You
20:48
Speaker 1: be the person that's important, and get yourself as many
20:50
Speaker 1: clicks or as many views as you can. I've follow
20:52
Speaker 1: in for that. I've got a big following on social media.
20:55
Speaker 1: How do we how do we deprogram people that get
20:57
Speaker 1: your face out of this and pay attention to what's
21:00
Speaker 1: happening around you and maybe take part.
21:04
Speaker 2: You have to make something else. You have to choose
21:06
Speaker 2: what your center of gravity is, where are you based,
21:12
Speaker 2: because that helps you to realize who you are. And
21:15
Speaker 2: when you know who you are, then you're not one
21:18
Speaker 2: of those wishy washy people who's here this week and
21:22
Speaker 2: there the next week, and who are also very easy
21:25
Speaker 2: to manipulate. Marxism looks for easy to manipulate people. That's
21:31
Speaker 2: why they're so against educating people. They love to dumb
21:36
Speaker 2: societies down. And you look at where we are now
21:40
Speaker 2: compared to where we used to be, when we used
21:43
Speaker 2: to be the country that was admired around the world
21:46
Speaker 2: for our education, and where we are now, and that
21:52
Speaker 2: makes us ripe for people who come in here selling
21:56
Speaker 2: all kinds of myths about the American dream dead and
22:01
Speaker 2: that no matter how hard you work, you can't get ahead.
22:04
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of garbage. But you have to be
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Speaker 2: kind of goible and not really know our history and
22:10
Speaker 2: our values, and all of a sudden that looks very attractive.
22:14
Speaker 2: Let's get rid of all the billionaires. Let's kill the billionaires.
22:17
Speaker 2: Do you know if there were no billionaires, there would
22:20
Speaker 2: be no stadiums, A lot of universities wouldn't be there, libraries,
22:25
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that people take for granted. They
22:27
Speaker 2: don't just pop up.
22:28
Speaker 1: Believe me, well, I mean we generally speaking, a lot
22:31
Speaker 1: of us work for billionaires. We wouldn't have jobs. Who
22:33
Speaker 1: can support our fans, can buy a house, can get
22:35
Speaker 1: a car, can put our kids through school. I mean,
22:38
Speaker 1: but this class warfare is a new bend. This has
22:40
Speaker 1: been happening forever. How do we make people realize that
22:44
Speaker 1: just because that guy has a billion and you don't,
22:47
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you can't strive and get whatever dream
22:50
Speaker 1: it is that you want to attain. We can all
22:51
Speaker 1: set goals. For some reason, a mom Donnie and an
22:54
Speaker 1: AOC and a Bernie Sanders want the people to believe
22:58
Speaker 1: that wealth is a zero sum game. It's not. If
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Speaker 1: you have more wealth than I do, it doesn't mean
23:02
Speaker 1: I can't achieve it one day. I can keep on
23:04
Speaker 1: striving and I don't need some of yours to get
23:06
Speaker 1: to where I want to be. What I just said
23:07
Speaker 1: is factually true and verifiably true. But there are millions
23:11
Speaker 1: of people in this country and billions around the world
23:13
Speaker 1: that think because Musk has so much, that's why I
23:16
Speaker 1: don't have any How do we fix that?
23:19
Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, we have to be vocal about it.
23:22
Speaker 2: So many people who actually believe the right way are
23:26
Speaker 2: afraid to talk. They stand in the corner and stare
23:29
Speaker 2: at the floor because they don't want to be canceled.
23:32
Speaker 2: They don't want to be called a nasty name. But
23:35
Speaker 2: they need to voice their opinion if we're ever going
23:41
Speaker 2: to be able to compete with the left. Yeah, because
23:44
Speaker 2: they're shy about voicing their opinion at all, they'll grab
23:47
Speaker 2: the microphone any time they possibly can. And when children
23:51
Speaker 2: grow up in an environment where that's what they're hearing
23:54
Speaker 2: nine out of ten times, believe me, they soon begin
23:58
Speaker 2: to understand that as their truth. And that's what Hitler understood. Yeah,
24:05
Speaker 2: that's what his communications director, Goggles understood. Just keep saying
24:10
Speaker 2: something over and over and over. Let people hear it
24:14
Speaker 2: all the time. They will inculcate it. It will become
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Speaker 2: part of them.
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Speaker 1: It's got it's got to be true. If there's somebody
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Speaker 1: says to them, I heard somewhere that somebody said something,
24:23
Speaker 1: and it's got to be true. I think you're absolutely right.
24:24
Speaker 1: It's doctor Ben Carson before we let you go, and
24:27
Speaker 1: you got you have to do this more often. Don't
24:28
Speaker 1: ever come to my town again, Ben and not see
24:31
Speaker 1: me while you're here. I know that you're just in
24:33
Speaker 1: and out one day, but well you've got to do
24:34
Speaker 1: that in person soon. I got to ask you about
24:36
Speaker 1: MAHA make America healthy again. This guy, Neel de grass Tyson,
24:40
Speaker 1: a good astro's physicist or science is where the hell
24:43
Speaker 1: he is? For some reason, is weighing in on processed
24:46
Speaker 1: foods and there's no proof they're bad. Now, you and
24:49
Speaker 1: I both know, because I don't need any processed foods.
24:51
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you don't eat many either. We try to
24:53
Speaker 1: be as healthy as we can. We're not made to
24:56
Speaker 1: eat these processed foods that can last four years on
24:58
Speaker 1: a shelf. We're just not. But a guy like that
25:01
Speaker 1: has a big amount of sway, a big voice. I
25:04
Speaker 1: saw him just yesterday saying where is the proof that
25:07
Speaker 1: processed food is bad? And why is this attack on
25:10
Speaker 1: processed food happening? I mean, they just sound like a
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Speaker 1: dumb statement by him or dumb question. But there are
25:14
Speaker 1: people out there that agree with him. Yeah, what's so
25:16
Speaker 1: bad about a bunch of potato chips in a box
25:18
Speaker 1: or or a bunch of processed meat or whatever. So
25:21
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about what your body needs to be healthy.
25:25
Speaker 1: You eat meat, you eat, you eat you know, greens,
25:28
Speaker 1: you eat vegetables, you eat fruits. That's what we're meant
25:30
Speaker 1: to eat. Do we have to answer to a guy
25:32
Speaker 1: like that who says, prove to me processed food is bad?
25:36
Speaker 2: Well, all you have to do is use your brain
25:38
Speaker 2: a little bit. Would you rather have something with natural
25:43
Speaker 2: nutrients in it? But would you rather leach the nutrients
25:46
Speaker 2: out and replace it with artificial flavors and artificial sweeteners
25:50
Speaker 2: and artificial colors and everything this artificial? Why not have
25:57
Speaker 2: the real thing? I remember going to a school with
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Speaker 2: secretary Rollins, and we gave the children for lunch whole milk.
26:11
Speaker 2: Many of them had never had whole milk before.
26:13
Speaker 1: It's it's always away, right, Yeah, they only get.
26:17
Speaker 2: Two percent of skim milk. They couldn't believe how good
26:21
Speaker 2: it was delicious. And you know, have you ever had
26:29
Speaker 2: a fresh tomato right off the vine? It is almost
26:35
Speaker 2: all things are incredibly delicious when you get them in
26:39
Speaker 2: a natural state, and that's what MAHA movement is trying
26:43
Speaker 2: to do. Move us back to that. And you look
26:45
Speaker 2: at the fact that our longevity has been decreasing, and
26:51
Speaker 2: you go to places where they don't process their food
26:55
Speaker 2: and they live a long long time. So so you
26:59
Speaker 2: don't have to have a double blind super study that
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Speaker 2: lasts for fifty years to tell you something that we
27:07
Speaker 2: know naturally. We all know that.
27:11
Speaker 1: The food lobby is big bucks, though, Ben, I mean,
27:13
Speaker 1: you know this, and they own a lot of people
27:16
Speaker 1: in the House and Senate. Just the way they're going
27:18
Speaker 1: after Robert F. Kennedy Junior in some of these hearings
27:21
Speaker 1: is so stupid. As I'm watching them going, you can't
27:23
Speaker 1: possibly believe that attacking him on milk is going to
27:27
Speaker 1: make sense. You can't possibly believe that him saying I'd
27:29
Speaker 1: like to know what's in the vaccine is somehow bad?
27:32
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
27:33
Speaker 1: Is this all money driven. They can't really believe what
27:35
Speaker 1: they're saying, that it's just as good to have a
27:38
Speaker 1: tomato that somehow was kept good for four years as
27:41
Speaker 1: it is to pull one off the vine. They can't
27:43
Speaker 1: believe that they.
27:45
Speaker 2: Know better, But so many of them have ulterior modes
27:49
Speaker 2: for what they do. And remember the love of money
27:52
Speaker 2: is the root of all evil. Lot of lobbyists and
27:57
Speaker 2: people throw a lot of money around. And there's a
28:00
Speaker 2: reason that certain people in Congress go in poor and
28:04
Speaker 2: come out very rich. And it's not because of the
28:07
Speaker 2: salaries they make as a congressman.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean some of them get a quarter of
28:11
Speaker 1: a billion dollars in Nancy Pelosi. It is doctor ben Carson, neurosurgeon, retired,
28:15
Speaker 1: a chorus founder and chair American Quarterstone Institute. Go to
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Speaker 1: American Cornerstone dot org. It's called The Little Patriots Your
28:22
Speaker 1: your educational series? Right? How do people get that?
28:25
Speaker 2: Little Patriots Learning dot com? Or you can get it
28:29
Speaker 2: at American Cornerstone dot org. And if you want our
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Speaker 2: new children's book, you can go to Benjamin Carson two
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Speaker 2: fifty dot com.
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Carson two fifty dot com. I love that.
28:44
Speaker 2: Go there.
28:45
Speaker 1: Listen. There is a need, a want, a desire for parents,
28:48
Speaker 1: and I'm a grandparent now three times over for us
28:51
Speaker 1: to teach young people how great the country is. It's
28:54
Speaker 1: such a sea change. When you were growing up and
28:56
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, we truly believe this was
28:58
Speaker 1: the land of opportunity. This was the into plenty, This
29:00
Speaker 1: is the land of achievement if you really had drive
29:03
Speaker 1: and desire. They've done all they can at an institutional level,
29:06
Speaker 1: on a mechanical level, institutionally to tell us, no, it's
29:10
Speaker 1: not fair. You should get your food from us, get
29:13
Speaker 1: your clothing from us, or internet from USh, or heat
29:14
Speaker 1: your air condition from us. Any money you have should
29:17
Speaker 1: come from us. We'll take care of you from the
29:19
Speaker 1: cradle to the grave. And they're disincentivizing what you achieved
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Speaker 1: and what I'm trying to achieve. So I mean, can
29:24
Speaker 1: we make that change if we grab them early enough
29:27
Speaker 1: and say this is what read with. Doctor Carson wrote,
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Speaker 1: this makes sense, little patriots, and forget what it is
29:34
Speaker 1: that you're learning in school. In fact, come to me
29:36
Speaker 1: if somebody in school tells you something against what you've
29:39
Speaker 1: learned here. It takes active parenting and grand parenting, doesn't
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Speaker 1: It does.
29:43
Speaker 2: And Ronald Reagan was right when he said our freedom
29:46
Speaker 2: is only one generation away from being extinguished. It means
29:50
Speaker 2: that we have to be active participants. We can't just
29:53
Speaker 2: sit around and complain. We have to fight for our nation,
29:57
Speaker 2: just like those who preceded us. For us so that
30:00
Speaker 2: we can have peace and freedom. It's a never ending battle.
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Speaker 1: Follow doctor Carson everywhere. He's on line all over the place,
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Speaker 1: called to American Cornerstone dot org. Benjamin Carson two fifty
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Speaker 1: dot com, go get the little patriots, get his new
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Speaker 1: book called One Nation, What we can all do to
30:14
Speaker 1: save America's future. Ben, were frankly out of time. We've
30:17
Speaker 1: got to talk more before this premiere of your movie.
30:20
Speaker 1: It's called StarSpangled Adventures, the movie premiering at the Trump
30:24
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center in January. Promise we could do this again soon,
30:26
Speaker 1: my man, it's always great to see you.
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Speaker 2: We'll do it very soon. And also we have a
30:32
Speaker 2: new book call Built on Faith, about our founders, and
30:37
Speaker 2: it's a children's book. Can very beautifully illustrate it. Where
30:41
Speaker 2: do people get that same place?
30:44
Speaker 1: Okay, American Cornerstone dot org.
30:47
Speaker 2: Oh, Ben Carson, Benjamin.
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Speaker 1: Carson two fifty dot com, go there and get the
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Speaker 1: new book Built on Faith. I bet we did this
30:55
Speaker 1: whole interview. I don't even know that you had a
30:56
Speaker 1: new book out. Well, thank god, people should go and
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Speaker 1: get that Built on Faith. It's doctor Ben Carson. Thanks Amelia,
31:01
Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you, so much.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe, take care all right.
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