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ICE Abuses and Accountability… Finally (w. Congressman Robert Garcia) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to brief Ress. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about the last time
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  Speaker 1: I was ever seen in public and a romper, Melissa's
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  Speaker 1: last time out in the state sale, the Ditty Trial,
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  Speaker 1: the time Melissa had to talk to her mother about
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  Speaker 1: water sports. Monica Lewinsky deep dives into cases about special
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  Speaker 1: immigration juvenile status, an interview with Congressman Robert Garcia, and
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  Speaker 1: all the questions you send me in my DMS. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Michael Foot. I'm a criminal defense lawyer and an immigration
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  Speaker 1: attorney here in New York City. I am the first
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  Speaker 1: thing you see in the morning and the last thing
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  Speaker 1: you see before your husband disappears. Melissa, would you like
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  Speaker 1: to introduce herself.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe you just said that.
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  Speaker 3: My name is Melissa Malbranch. I am absolutely positively not
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  Speaker 3: a lawyer. I stand by that. I had been working
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  Speaker 3: in the nonprofit space for about twenty five years now,
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  Speaker 3: and Michael and I met, i'd say about ten years ago.
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  Speaker 3: We've been really good friends ever since you.
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  Speaker 1: Called me when your cat died, and that's how I
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  Speaker 1: knew we were close friends. Or cat was dying and
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  Speaker 1: you called me and ste your husband.
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  Speaker 3: I did because I knew that you would understand what
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  Speaker 3: I was going through, but you wouldn't be as emotional
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  Speaker 3: about it as my husband.
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  Speaker 1: People often come to me when they want a direct,
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  Speaker 1: emotionless answer, unless it's like a Saturday night and I've
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  Speaker 1: been drinking.
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  Speaker 2: In Brooklyn and eaton taco bell.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about all sorts of legal
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  Speaker 1: things that come up in the headlines. I've really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to start this show with my best from Melissa because
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  Speaker 1: there are so many long form things I can't talk
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  Speaker 1: about on social media, and people love coming to like
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  Speaker 1: my feeds to learn a little something about what's happening
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  Speaker 1: with immigration law, what's going on in court. But I
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  Speaker 1: can't like really expand or they can't it's hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to answer all their questions. So you'll hear a
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  Speaker 1: lot on the show. We constantly are going to be
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  Speaker 1: returning to this notion of like, what can we be
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  Speaker 1: doing right? Like I hate the concept of doom scrolling.
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  Speaker 1: I hate the notion that people aren't like supporting each other.
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  Speaker 1: I hate this idea that like, oh, we're descending into
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  Speaker 1: fascism and like that's it. It was like a think piece.
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  Speaker 1: I hate that idea. I want people to feel empowered
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  Speaker 1: to sort of like flex their democratic muscles to affect
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  Speaker 1: some sort of change in their community, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: going to a small protest, even if it's like working
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  Speaker 1: and volunteering at like your food bank, and sort of
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  Speaker 1: like looking at the headline, seeing what's happening and then
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  Speaker 1: explaining what's going on and then exactly what you can
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  Speaker 1: do about it, rather than it just being like, well
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  Speaker 1: that sucks, onto the next article, right exactly. So I
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  Speaker 1: could never do like a full romper situation.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen you in a roper, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's true at all. You were out
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  Speaker 2: here on these streets, and this morning Andrea asked me
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  Speaker 2: if I was starting working at a garage.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, murder on the dance floor, Jesus Christ, Andre, that is.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, So Andre is? I mean, you know, Andre?
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  Speaker 2: Very conservative, little man like dresses like everybody's dad y,
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: so like anything out of the ordinary.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've given him some things that don't
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  Speaker 1: fit me, like they're too small, so I give him
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  Speaker 1: to him.
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  Speaker 2: You have not.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've given him a sweater over the years.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that might be your other black friend.
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  Speaker 1: That you've given things okay, immediately instantly racist.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, not racists. I mean I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I feel like if they're black people who know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, sometimes you are, You're white friend's only
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  Speaker 2: black friends they have like two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I understand. I'm the only gay friend for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, and I'm treated like a mascot.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're like, get the gay one at.
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  Speaker 2: The wedding, get that you get the party started.
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  Speaker 1: No, we need someone who's looking cute at them.
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  Speaker 2: Something nice, something like a good dress.
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  Speaker 1: What's his name again? Mark?
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  Speaker 2: It's like you're not Mike. Like you're not Mike.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mike to a very specific group of people.
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  Speaker 1: One a graphic calls me Mike. I'm going to give
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: you one chance to guess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, is this somebody from like your childhood.
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  Speaker 1: It's the guy fixing my dishwasher. It's like the guy
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  Speaker 1: fixing the like put the plumbing in my apartment. It's
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  Speaker 1: always like a man over a certain age.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know you. Yeah, the name is Michael.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's like my dad's friends. It's like people who
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  Speaker 1: know me. It's men of a certain white straight man
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  Speaker 1: of a certain age are like, Mike, how's it going.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very long island thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. People randomly call me Michelle for no good reason.
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  Speaker 1: I've called you way worse than Michelle behind your back,
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  Speaker 1: into your face. What did you do this weekend? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you were working at the garage.
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  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I changed the carburetor.
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  Speaker 1: Brad will look me right in the eye and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: professor Plum is joining us if I'm wearing like a
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  Speaker 1: sweater and a time just Christ, it's actually so diabolical.
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  Speaker 1: I don't catch strays in my house. I catch them
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  Speaker 1: straight to the face.
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  Speaker 3: What I do this weekend? So this is wardrobe changing
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  Speaker 3: time for me? So I do this by annually.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Melissa loves a good I do a good closet
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  Speaker 1: cleanout special.
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  Speaker 2: But I like, I recorded something and I was going
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  Speaker 2: to post the TikTok. But I'm not like you. I
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  Speaker 2: am not a prolific poster.
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  Speaker 1: If you're thinking about posting something to TikTok, my number
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  Speaker 1: one rule, don't be precious with it. Post it unedited,
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  Speaker 1: broke in.
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  Speaker 3: I am not precious aye, yeah, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's not it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a mess.
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  Speaker 3: But I was just like, I am actually embarrassed at
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  Speaker 3: the amount of shit that I own.
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  Speaker 1: It is, But those are the videos that everyone loves.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the videos of mine that blow up when
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, if, hey, I had to pick up a
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  Speaker 1: client and I'm wearing cooochie cutters and a crop top
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  Speaker 1: that's mesh because it's Pride month and I ended up
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  Speaker 1: having to go to the precinct and and it's always
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  Speaker 1: so mortifying for me. But those are the videos that
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  Speaker 1: usually blow up.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I actually don't care if the
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  Speaker 3: video blows up or not. I mean, maybe I should,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't care. But I care that I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I have come victim to over consuming, right, And
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: to be fair, I do buy a lot of thrifted items.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we know I love in the States sales,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not but I do buy things.
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  Speaker 2: Also, let me just be clear about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and no judgment here. I'm a violent consumer.
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  Speaker 2: I am judging myself, okay, right, judging my life.
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  Speaker 1: I am where disposable income goes to meet its disposal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be that person.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a difference between not wanting to be someone
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  Speaker 1: and accepting who you are. Know thyself.
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  Speaker 2: I know myself and I am a bitch with too
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  Speaker 2: much shit.
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  Speaker 1: And not enough space. You do have storage, so that's.
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  Speaker 3: The thing, right, is that every year I pack up
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  Speaker 3: twice a year and I take it to storage a
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  Speaker 3: storage facility.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so that is actually cry for help. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is a little bit of a I need someone.
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  Speaker 2: To come in and tell me what to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: No, not you, sorry, I need somebody who knows. I
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  Speaker 2: love that.
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  Speaker 1: My friends don't want to fuck.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, because I'm like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Love to come over for dinner, They're like, get.
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  Speaker 2: Fucked to kill you will because you will enable me?
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  Speaker 1: No? Yes, I I throw everything out. I'm like, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: this has been here for a week. It is a
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  Speaker 1: it's our tax return. I think we should either you know,
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  Speaker 1: post it online or throw it out. Like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: this can't be sitting.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you would come over and we just
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't get anything done.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it would turn into a runway. I
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  Speaker 1: do think that we would probably do some sort of
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  Speaker 1: fashion show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, comment below if you do want to see me,
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  Speaker 1: go to Melissa's house, we do a full wardrobe. I could, Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 2: Could do different out there.
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  Speaker 3: Who wants to help me? Take a good long heard
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  Speaker 3: look at my wardrobe and be like, bitch, you're never
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  Speaker 3: gonna wear this.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to enable this dysfunction, police comment
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  Speaker 1: on this video that you want us to do a
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  Speaker 1: little fashion montage.
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  Speaker 2: This is actually a cry for help to no.
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  Speaker 1: I think we do a link and people then can
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  Speaker 1: then donate to our and then we see how much
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: money people give us to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not asking anybody for money work, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: This is and this is this is how you get
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  Speaker 1: a head life. Maybe actually speaking of I saw Alyssa
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  Speaker 1: this weekends.
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  Speaker 2: We love her.
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  Speaker 1: How do we describe Alyssa? Describe Alyssa for the viewers
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  Speaker 1: at home, Alyssa is our very very close mutual friend.
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  Speaker 3: She's like a really good friend if you want to
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  Speaker 3: do something because Alyssa is down for whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she's down for whatever. Hey, Alissa, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: croat show. Yes?
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  Speaker 1: And I do I get the sense that like her,
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  Speaker 1: her dorman like doesn't know what she looks like because
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  Speaker 1: she's never home, like she's always out, like she's she's
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  Speaker 1: never out in these streets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to tell you. I track Alyssa, and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I follow because for her own safety, her own.
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  Speaker 3: For her own safety, I am oftentimes worried about where
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  Speaker 3: she is. Has anybody seen her?
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  Speaker 4: Where is?
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  Speaker 1: Melissa will text me in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: and she'll be like, I can't sleep just checking. Have
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  Speaker 1: you heard from Alyssa recently? I do feel like we
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  Speaker 1: should probably keep an eye on her. Is. Alyssa taught
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  Speaker 1: me how to be chaotic. That is who she is
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: in my life. She's sort of like, uh, like the
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: personification of like the Winchester Mystery Home. Like she's just
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: sort of like stove is on keys her out. I
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: went to her apartment once and there was like all
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: this broken glass in front of the building, and I
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: was like, ooh, rough neighborhood. It was like the West Village, right.
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  Speaker 2: I go into the apartment and she had dropped something.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, there's so much broken glass and she
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I dropped like a whole back
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  Speaker 1: of groceries out there earlier. That was me like a
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  Speaker 1: two hundred person unit and it was her.
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  Speaker 2: M h yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I did see her. I took her to a
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  Speaker 1: drag queen's birthday party. We went to Miss Mam.
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  Speaker 2: She again, let me just one second, I was not invited.
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  Speaker 1: No, and then, and for your own protection and safety,
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  Speaker 1: you would have kno, gone out at midnight on a
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  Speaker 1: Friday night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, but but ask me no.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be told no one more time.
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  Speaker 1: Get my hopes up, get all excited. But you won't
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: get your hopes.
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  Speaker 3: Because you know better, right, because you know I'm probably
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: not coming, But I would like to be included.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I'll just It was also like deep in
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn and you don't live anywhere near that, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: You would have been like this is this is a
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: four hour flight for me to get there from where.
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  Speaker 3: When I first started dating my now husband, I was
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: living in Brooklyn and he was not. And it felt
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: like a long distance relationship.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: It really really did.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean it really wasn't that far.
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  Speaker 3: But it felt what did we say it'd be like that,
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  Speaker 3: It'd be like that, and it felt like behind God's back.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Brad lived in Hoboken. Oh God, And when you have
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: to transfer, when you have to cross state lines in
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: interstate commerce like that. It really does. I was all
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: the way in these village there was like no like
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: clear transit. It was it was. It was actually really
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  Speaker 1: of him.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: In the ass any part of how did he got
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: in trouble? Just cross the day.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Life for three minutes into the episode and already come over,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: are you talking about ditty trafficking? Okay, We're gonna go
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: right into sidebars. Okay, and I think we've got a
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: nice natural entree into the ditty case s beacause Melissa's mother,
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Magalie throw up a photo of Magalie c J. She
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: is an icon, She is the moment.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: She is she, she is her, She is all of
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: my mother is we We We often say that my
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: mom is the Queen of the Kingdom in her mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, a legend. She is every woman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all in her.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all. And she will never listen to the
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  Speaker 1: show she is.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: She might if I tell her that we give her
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  Speaker 2: a shadow.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, what is the department? Ever? Duneacy department? She calls,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do these, I'll get canceled.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: So my mom has always loved like a salacious legal case.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: Sure right, I mean who does it?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of moms do so, like I.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Remember back in the day you were a child. However,
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: the O. J. Simpson case, my mother was living for.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: This, oh, living for every mom in America.
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  Speaker 2: Cut to Ditty and my mom is just like.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: Cut for thirty years of history, were straight to did.
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  Speaker 3: She's also really into like the what's his name Johnny
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  Speaker 3: depp one like she was. Now, she's got nothing but time,
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: so I mean, we all strive to be returning to.
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  Speaker 3: So she was like, have you been watching the Ditty case?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, to be honest, not really, I'm
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: in and out or whatever. And she's like, well, he's
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: definitely going to go to jail.
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  Speaker 1: This is before this was the when it was first
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: really hitting the headline, and it was just like, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not looking very good for him and her home, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't end well for him. I mean
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: it ended better than.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: Those those If someone drew a sketch of me the
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: way those court reporters drew sketches of Diddy, just I
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: would be on the evening news. Michael Foot threw himself
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: off a building. An embarrassment that is that was so wicked, wild, diabolical.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: That was a crime in and of itself. Drawn.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you read what you saw, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: What And also let me let me I haven't heard
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: someone say you reap what you sow, and quite sometimes
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: I say that all the time. It's very mel Gibson
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: and signs like he's very much It is very much
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: like this Bucolic imageriat of folks like we're in the
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: fields growing corn. You re what your saw?
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  Speaker 2: You do you read what you said?
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  Speaker 1: That is such a that's an American farmer, subsidy. Shout
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: out right there, Shout out to you, all the American
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: farmers working hard here in these in this country, in
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: the Midwest.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: So her whole thing was he's definitely going to jail.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, it's not looking good for him.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: Why do you right?
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, And Melissa called me and told me this, and
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I walked straight into the street with my dog, didn't
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: look either direction.
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  Speaker 2: I had the most uncomfortable conversation with my mother about
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: water sports. My mother was convinced that this man was
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: going to go to jail because he had engaged in
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: water sports.
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  Speaker 1: This was in her mind. Make it clear this was
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  Speaker 1: the crime.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Was the crime. And I was trying to explain to
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: my mom. I'm like, well, it's not some people like that. No, Melissa, she's.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: She's rewriting the legislation was sports as.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: A federal people don't like that. And I was just like,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I mean they might, and she was just like, no,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: he's going straight to jail for I should also in process.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: This is why he should go to jail. She deserves it,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I mean. And again, back in the day, Monica Lewinsky,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I was in the car with my mom. I will
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: never forget this.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Listen to some NPR show or something where they were
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: talking about Monica Lewinsky's sexual past and Monica Lewinsky and
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: I around the same age, give her take a year
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: or two. And I think it came out that before Bill,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Monica had had like maybe two or three sexual partners beforehand.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: And my mom was like a disgusting no. And so
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in the car with my mom and I'm driving,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: and I am not making any.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't move no no no no no no
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: no oh no no no no no, no, no no no.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: And I went home and I called a friend of mine.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I locked the door I waited till she was.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: My mom was upset that Monica Lewinsky has had like
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: one or two guys, and she was like, did you
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: keep your mouth shut like firmly? So this is who?
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I might I think I'm going
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: to meet Monica Lewinsky next week?
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Can I know?
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I'm all to I'll text you the details I really want.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: It's like it is like my friend anyway. It's getting
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: me into me with her. So I don't know if
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I can like sneak someone in. But I won't bring
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you to the Drag Queen's birthday. I will bring you
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: to meet Monica.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like pick and choose.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's equally you know.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: I think if I have to choose, i'd rather meet Monica.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, but let me explain the Drag Queen, Miss ma'am.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: She she does deadpan drag to like very hilarious songs
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: like Ding Ding Ding Went the Trolley, But her face
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: is like the whole time, and we'll throw up a clip,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: we'll throw and oh clang klang klang right right right.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: We can't sing on the show because we'll get sued.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: But she always has like a tag. We can speak lyrics.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: That's copyright law. She always has like the tag on
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: her outfit. Still it's like, still on this so good,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: it's so great. You I have a couple of drinks.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It's great. Anyway, I'll bring you to meet Monica. But Diddy.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: The thing about that I was just so incredulous was
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Melissa's mother. Each time she brought up one of the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: horrific things he was being charged with, right people testifying
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the awful testimony. I mean, it was really it was terrible. Yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Melissa's mother was like, but the water sports, that was
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: what was really good.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: She couldn't get she could She refuses to believe that
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: anybody could be into that, and I was trying to
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And then finally I was like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just like acutely aware of how much water I'm
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: drinking right now as we're talking about.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Then let's listen, that's fun.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm actually out. Let's take a brief recess. We're going
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to take a break. Welcome back to brief Recess. I'm
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Malbrand. This is under Earth. We're
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: going to take a deep dive into a case. This
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: one is actually really near and dear to me and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: my heart and a lot of what my day to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: day life looks like. So I pictured it. I thought
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: it'd be cool to kind of talk to you about it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: The name of the case is Sarmiento I. Tel Vi,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Perry et al. So it's a class action suit that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the ACLU filed against ICE, effectively submitting a class action
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: lawsuit of a group of miners who were seeking immigration
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: status here in the US. And we're not being given
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to be bonded out of detention centers, so
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they were being held for long periods of time in
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: detention centers.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, And when you say minors, give me an idea.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, So anyone under the age of it, actually
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I think it might be twenty one is for Special
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Immigration Juvenile status. It's people under the age of twenty one.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: We call it SiGe as a shorthand. But Special Immigration
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Juvenile status is a protected status that miners can seek
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: in the US. It's usually you have to prove certain things.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So one of them is that you were neglected, abandoned,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: or abused by a parent in your home country, So
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that can be you never had a relationship with your father,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and you don't know how man, it's no part of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: your life, or it can be that you know your
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: parents have pandoned you. Sometimes there are really extreme cases
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: which are a lot easier to kind of prove, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: then there are others where it's like, I don't know
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: who my father is and I'm going to be establishing
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: custody in the US with a relative. Okay, So it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: usually just one parent that you could sort of have
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to prove that there was something abnormal about the relationship.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: But the interesting thing that sort of came up in
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: this case that I thought I could weigh in on
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was how important it is that people are bonded out
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: hard stop, but especially in SiGe cases. And that's because
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: SIDGE is one of these things where you and your
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: lawyer are running around the city to all sorts of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: different courts to get documentation, to get judgments, to get
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: rulings from judges so that you can bring it back
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to immigration court and show them that like you're doing
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: your due diligence. For example, you usually have to go
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to family court, which is like in a different burrough
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes where it takes a really long time to get
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that hearing date I've worked sedge cases. It's taken years
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: just to even get like a date for your application
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to be reviewed.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, what happens if somebody because
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: if you said it takes years, sometimes what happens if
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the person ages out while this is going on?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: That's a great question. We're often dealing with, like hard deadlines.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I made a video recently about appeals and how we
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: sort of the deadline is when the application is received,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: not when you submit it for certain things. So deadlines
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: are insane in any industry, but especially in immigration law.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The stakes are so high, right, So for SIDG, it
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is when it's filed. So even if there is a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: backlog in the government agency that you're working with, as
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: long as it's the date that your attorney files it,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you're still below the requisite age. Okay, that is that's
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like such an important question because sometimes people are not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sure about that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: But sure, so as long as the date that it
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: was submitted is before you've aged out, then your should
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: be okay in terms of moving forward with the case exactly.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And so in this case, the plaintiffs are suing Ice
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: stating that they're being held without a bond. Hearing and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that it violates their Fifth Amendment do process rates, So
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: they're not even given the opportunity to argue whether they
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: should be bonded out of a detention center. It is
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: developing law. By the time this episode airs, the law
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: might have changed. So the thing about this specifically is
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that there was a recent ruling in September where if
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you were not inspected so upon arrival in the US.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So let's say you arrived undocumented, you cross the border illegally,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you don't have standing to seek bond in court if
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you are detained. So that is like a new thing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: It's still being hammered out, it's being appealed, like it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: going to work its way up through the courts. But
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: right now a lot of people are trying to get
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: bonded out who crossed the border illegally, and this new ruling,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: this new case law that came down in September has
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: sort of messed with that. So I have people reaching
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: out to me for bond and I'm like, I honestly
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't even file something for you if I wanted to,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: or if I had time to.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I just.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Wonder what especially you know, what happens to these people.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, especially talking about kids. Somebody who's the idea
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: of somebody who's ten years old is sort of in
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: this purgatory.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: What happens to them?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: It's a great question, and it's something that I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: needs more attention, especially in the media. I think oftentimes
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: immigration law is like, ooh, that's so complicated. Even lawyers
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: will call me, Like this woman called me and she
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: was like, the lady who does my nails just got arrested.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer, but I don't know how to do
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Like sure, immigration law is like one of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the most complicated areas of law, and it's because of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the decentralized nature of the government agencies that we're working with.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm having someone fingerprinted, it get sent
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to North Dakota. When I file their BIA appeals, it
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: goes to Church Falls, Virginia, Like it makes absolutely no sence. Y.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I think what sort of happens is especially in these cases,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like we're talking about child welfare here, like these are
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: children being locked up and that they're being detained for
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: an indeterminate amount of time. I think, like public perception,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: public advocacy, people's people giving this any sort of energy
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: or attention. I think they'll sort of start to see,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like how many awful things happen in attention centers, right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Like how many lawsuits are there around sexual violence attention centers?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So this is happening on us soil is I'm so
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: glad to see that there is a lawsuit because I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have to say, as an attorney, I'm really remiss reading
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the headlines that there aren't a lot of people talking
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: about this. There aren't a lot of law firms taking
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: up cases and filing lawsuits like this. There's been a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: chilling effect with the Trump administration where law firms are like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: we are not going to be suing, we are not
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: going after like they are afraid that they're going to be.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And what does it come down to. It comes down
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to people's wallets, It comes down to the pocketbooks of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: these big firms, and they're not going after the government
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: agencies and really having some sort of like stand right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And it's awful because it's like, I don't know, it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: kind of gets to the heart of like being an
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: attorney for me, it's like why the fuck did you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: do this? Then? Like there's so many like faster ways
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to make money than being a lawyer, and you got
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: into this to not help people, to not do the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: right thing, like we're supposed to be officers of the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: court where people who are supposed to be like ensuring
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: justices served or seeking out justice or accountability is held
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: somewhere right, and to then be like, well, it's going
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to hit our bottom line. We don't want to be
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with the Trump administration, It's like, well, then who the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: fuck are you? If you're not going to be doing that,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: then what are you doing? I wonder I'm excited. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: mean to be following this closely. I do think there's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a strong chance that there will be some sort of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: at least partial relief for the plaintiffs, mostly because the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: child welfare protections courts take that really seriously and there
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: is sort of a pretty big process concern in this case.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: People not I'm gonna be watching this close to the deceased,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: mostly because once there's a decision made, my day to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: day job as an attorney who handles bond hearings will
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: change overnight. It will be one of those rulings where
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I get to the courthouse and what I'm doing that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: day is something different than what I thought it was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: going to be, and I'd live for that ship because
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I am a messy bitch and I do love a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of chaos every now and then. I was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: born and raised by Alisa, our most chaotic friend.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And you're a Taurus.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: We're both tourists. Yeah, I love that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, they're in these
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: detention centers with are.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They like segregated from adults. Yeah, that's actually a great question.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Anybody like I actually don't know because it is so
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: impossible for attorneys to access clients who are being held
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: at attention. It's actually such a pain in the ass
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for me to even have a call with a client
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: who's detained and sue. I was part of a lawsuit
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: with the ACLU a couple of years ago where we
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: sued because I was like bored one summer during COVID,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: so I like worked with them. I'm and I basically
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like I broke both my feet jogging. Yes, it's laid
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: up in casts just and what I would do is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I would take a group of cases in different detention
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: centers around the country, and I would attempt to get
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in contact with my client and then document how difficult
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it was and all I was one of the lawyers.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: All that information got fed into this lawsuit and they
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: sued in one. They were like, we like lawyers cannot
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: access their clients, so it's really hard. And detention centers
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: are intentionally outside of city limits. They're really far away
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: from a metropolis to ensure that people cannot access legal council.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They're They're usually in like a wasteland. I had to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: go to one in I think it was like an
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Alabama and I had to fly into a different state.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to drive, so I'm wealthy enough. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: hired a car to drive me there because I was like, God,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be driving in the middle of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: northern Georgia, Alabama. I had someone drive me just to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: just for one hearing. It was crazy.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I just keep thinking the idea of a kid being alone.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: It's terrifying, and you know, and somebody needs to be
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the voice for these kids.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Right absolutely. Yeah. I think that my clients who are
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: kids miners are the ones that I end up being
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: closest with as well, because they like a social worker
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: more than Yeah, totally, because.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: They need the help more than any I mean, obviously
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: anybody who's sometimes like the.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Lawyer is like the parent has trusted the lawyer to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: be there for that person.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know that there are enough people who are
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: going to law school who get into it because they
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: really have this deep down desire to push the idea
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: of like social justice.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Or just justice in general. No, it's true that is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to law school and I am
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: going to be a real estate lawyer because I want
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to make a ton of money, you know what I mean.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's wonderful that you're thinking about
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: it that way. And Michael is not alone. I know
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I'm also not perfect, like I mean, no, no, no, no,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's very easy to it's very easy to like lose
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: your way, like I have lost my way many times
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in life, like as a lawyer even after graduation, where
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you know, you do sort of get dazzled by the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: dollars or you don't want to take that probon of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a case because you are too busy, or like life happens,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: like people have families, like people get dogs, like uh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: shake goes down, right, And so I just feel like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I want other lawyers to feel like
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it's cool for me to be like, hey, myke, how
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: do I get involved? How did you get started? You know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of messages like that where people
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: are like, hey, like how did you get your first?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Like pro bone? Okay, so how do you learn how
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to do this stuff? Like? I wasn't always this psychopath
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that I am today?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: No, I think you probably were always a psychopath, maybe
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: not the one that you are today. However, I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: knocks on the tour. I think that to your point.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes there comes a point in everybody's life
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: where you're like, you know what, I've done the thing
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: that I'm going to do right, Like I went to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: college or not or whatever, and now I have a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: job and I'm just sort of like plugging away. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: think about this a lot, right, What is going to
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: be my other thing that I do that is helpful?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I think there comes a moment in your life where
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, you know what, I'm going to sit down.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to think about how I can help. And
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: for you, as an attorney, you have this skill, you
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: have this degree, and you were like, you know what,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I now have the time and I'm now inclined.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: When we talk to Congressman Garcia later to ask him,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you should ask him like what you can do, like
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: what the difference is, because I think that could be
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: cool to hear from someone in a position of power
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in the government of like what they think their constituents
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: or just like civically engaged democrats can be doing to help.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Can we how can we be help?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: How do you help? Now? What do you what do
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you do to I mean, I know, like you volunteer,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you go to protests, like you get involved. You are
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like someone that I look to, like you've helped me
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: find my way many times. But I don't know. I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: think you're a wealth of advice and wisdom.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I mean I think so not speaking about sort of
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: like helping people who need but in terms of like
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: wealth of advice and wisdom. I'm going to tell you
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: what I think no matter what, whether you want to
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: hear it or not. Right, Like, and I am a
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: big I told you so person, which is not my
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: best quality, but it is we are who we are,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: right And what's really funny is that like I don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: tell people I told them so nearly is as often
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: as I want to, I like keep it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I tamp it down.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she does it is can't help it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I can't help it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You had fucking skywriting. I told you so for me
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: one day. Who the fuck do you think you are
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in on my show?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Sorry because I get a tattoo?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Wait, oh, I would do that.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I told you so.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I've got it. Yeah, mine could just be she told
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: me so.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I told him so.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: In terms of helping, I will say that, yes, I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: go to protest, and yes I will. I'm big on
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: like reaching out to my congress person. I you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I've sent letters to my governor and my mayor. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I will tell you that I struggle often with not
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: knowing exactly what to do because I feel like what
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I want to do is something that I think will
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: push the needle right, Like.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: What can I do? Who can I help? Even if
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: it's like one person, right, who can I help?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: It's the thing of helplessness that I think everyone is
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: feeling right now, even like someone who I'm very much
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: in a position to do something right, but you do it. Yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I was out running. I was I was traveling, and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I was out jogging in my hometown and on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: corner of like the little main Street and it's like
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this like little tiny little town on Long Island. There
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: were all these retirees who had like no kings posters
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and they were protesting. And I was talking to them.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It's the North Fork Women for Women Fund Whips, that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is their name. I am not I'm not having a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: stoic whips, okay. And they were telling me that they
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they take shifts every day. They're on that corner working
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: shifts protesting. I was like, this is amazing. I love
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: this so much. And they were how do I like
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: nicely described They were retired women of a certain age
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and there were no like young startup retirees who retired
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: at thirty. But I feel like a lot of people
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: their age probably are feeling like they can't do anything
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: or they cannot get involved in it. It was just
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: like such a cool example where I was like, look
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: at these batties, look at these icons. Anyway, this has
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: been under oath, let's take a break. So Meliss, I'm
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: really excited because Congressman Garcia is joining US today.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: He's the former mayor of California. Yeah, and he's the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: US representative from California's forty second district. He's been there
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty three. He's actually immigrant himself from Peru,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: so it'll be really interesting to talk to him about Ice,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: what's happening there, what he's doing as a congress person
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to sort of advocate for immigrant communities. Also the first
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: openly gay immigrant in Congress, which is very cool. He
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think he was undocumented at one point when he
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: first emigrated, So it's a very cool, interesting sort of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: entree into American politics. What he's sort of working on,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I think will inform how Americans really engage with the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: news cycle, right. I mean, we're always talking about how
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: can we ensure that people are typically engaged and have
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: real next step action items. I feel like a lot
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of what's happening in American democracy right now is like, well,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: it's just terrible and nothing to do, just nothing.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it'll be cool to kind of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: talk to him and be able to really say like.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Hey, and I love the fact that, you know, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: think it also helps when people can see themselves in
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: their elected officials. So the fact that he is an immigrant,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: the fact that he's you know, openly gay, like all
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: those things, I think sort of help put the information out.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I also love a fear Steva who's like, I'm going
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to let my identity govern like how I enter the workplace,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: how I enter like use my work. I'm sick of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: this whole, Like my life is separate from my job.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It ain't. I'm a fair Stephen in the court room
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: as well as at home. I'm winning arguments in my kitchen.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Are you somebody called on the phone?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I'm getting impeached in my phone.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I can't read on the phone.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Oh all right, Congressman, all right, shut up. Congressman's college,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I got to stop talking. Welcome to brief resess. Congressman.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Hey guys, are you hi?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Congressman. Congressman, thank you for joining us. I know that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: we actually just got the press release of what you've
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: been working on of the new legislation. So why don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you take us in of what you've sort of been
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: focused on today. It sounds like, I mean, obviously.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: There's a lot going on, and I'm the horrors of
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: the charp administration never end. Today we're really focused on
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: and trying to really zero in just the horrific actions
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: by the administration. Certainly Secretary. Now I'm Stephen Miller and
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: what's happening with ICE across the country. There there are
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: two things that we're looking at right now. One is
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: we've all been reading the reports of the now upwards
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: of one hundred and seventy US citizens that have now
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: been detained, in many cases sent to these facilities by
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: ICE and by other federal agents and who essentially have
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: stories of being in the centers for days and days
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: without any access to lawyers or family because they didn't
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: have the idea. And these are US citizens who are
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: being targeted racially profile because of the color of their skin.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: And we know that now if ICES is doing this
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to US citizens, you can imagine how others are being
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: treated at these centers and facilities. And so we have
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: a broad investigation. I'm going right now through oversight into
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Christinoum into their actions across the country. But we're also
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: especially partnering with the Senate and the Senate's oversight team
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: and Cenator Blumenthal and US are specifically going to do
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: a joint bi cameral investigation into what's happening to United
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: States citizens across this country as well. You know what
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I've told folks is, look, what's happening to citizens is horrific,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: but also reminding people that what's happening to no citizens,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: they also have due process rights. I mean, the Constitution
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: is so clear correctly, and so we have a lot
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: of work to do. But we were in La with
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Mayor Bass making that announcement today.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting to bring this up. I really wanted
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to talk to you about what specifically does that mean?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I think we oftentimes hear in the news like we're
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: investigating this, we're looking into this bi cameraalism. Could you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: get specific about, like what does that literal to do
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: list look like when you get to the office, right,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Like walk us through it, because I think it's important
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: for people to hear these words have almost become pointless
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to a lot of Americans. Oh we're investigating, Oh there's
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: an oversight committee. Oh we're going to be looking into it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I think we've been used and abused in so many
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: ways as Americans that these words have sort of like
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: lost value. So I want people to hear, like exactly
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: what you're doing, because I know you, I know your team,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I know you've been working on this, and I understand
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: it on like a granular level from the courtroom. But
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's important for people to hear really what
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that means for you.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, No, this is great because I also I love
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: explaining kind of how overside.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think process matters, right, Like, what's the process?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's so important.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Let me so, there's two pieces of this I think
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: are important, and that is how and who is leading
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: the investigations, and then what we're actually trying to accomplish
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and do. So let me let me start by saying, Look,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I've been the lead Democrat on the Oversight Committite. The
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Oversight Committee in the US House is the lead investigations
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: committee that exists under a constitution under it in the
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: US Congress, and so obviously the job of Congress is oversight,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: and oversight is where most of the major investigations end up. Now,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm a pretty newer member to the Congress. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: was mayor of lum Beach, California for eight years. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: got to Congress now a little over two years ago,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: and so I was not the most senior person to
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: take on this job. And I think in my pitch
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: to the Democratic Caucus said, look, we have to we
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: have to do things differently. We got to bring rags.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: We need people to be more aggressive. We need to
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: bring that fight that Republicans bring to these investigations, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: you know, the pitched work. I'm the first sophomore to
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: lead a committee in one hundred years in the US.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And I mentioned that because I think what you said
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: is really true that oftentimes we will launch an investigation
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: or folks will say they're going to hold folks accountable,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: and then it just gets lost in kind of Washington speak.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Right, or we hear about it like two years later
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that they kind of found something but they weren't really,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and it just it does get kind of lost in
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the wash there.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: And that is not me first, Like I first, I'm
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: an imprint myself, and so this is very personal to me,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: and it's something that I know. I've lived through the experience,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I've been undocumented. I understand what the live experiences. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: then the second piece is I think people just should
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: take you know, I've been the lead lead on investigations
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: now for about maybe three or almost four months, three
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: four months in the Congress for Democrats, and I show
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: people what we've just done on the Epstein files, for example,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: we are getting so much information out on the Epstein
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: files because we're being aggressive and we're not waiting to
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: be in the majority. And so the way oversight works
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: is when you are in the minority. So Democrats are
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: in the minority in Congress. We always have limited powers.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: We don't have subpoena power, We don't have powers to
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: get new document we want or anyone from the committee.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: But we still can't investigate on our own, and so
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that's what we're doing now. We're not waiting to be
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: the majority to investigate. However, when we do win the
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: majority in twenty twenty six, you can believe that we
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: will be sending out subpoenis and getting information from Christinewo on,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: from Stephen Miller, from folks that are from home, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: just a variety of folks that we are interested in.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: But the work has to start now. So that's a
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: little bit about kind of why we have to bring
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: new people in to the party and at the table
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: and leading these committees is because a new approach is
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: also needed. And then at the second piece is it
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: is still in the minority. These investigations have us the
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: enormous ability to also help in many of the court
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: cases that are happening, so we partner with folks.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: That's just what I was going to say. Papering the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: record documentation so that court cases can move forward with that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Documentation is so important to put out into the public
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: record what's actually happening in what we know. And so
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: many of the successful cases that are happening right now
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: in the courts actually reference or use many of the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: investigations or the documents that we are requesting of agencies
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: to build the case. And so it's all very important work.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because on the show, we
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: really like to focus on ways that everyday Americans or
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: other attorneys can get involved to do something. I think
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: so much of the internet, so much of the news
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: cycle is doom scroll, It is getting lost in the weeds.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It is, you know, articles about literally how America is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: headed towards fascism with no actual action items on what
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: people can do, how they can get involved, things that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: they can do to flex their democratic muscles. What would
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you where do you need me an immigration attorney?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Like? What would do your advice be to me an
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: immigration attorney? Or to meet Melissa who is a civically
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: engaged democrat like, not.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: An attorney, but you know, I care very much about
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: what's happening in my community. I also come from an
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: immigrant family.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: What can I do?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Where do you need us? Like? And I think it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: so important that people really hear from leadership right like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what can we be doing boots on the ground to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: support these efforts.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: So so two things. So one is obviously there's some
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk to eficultly about what specifically you can
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: do to help we're doing on the investigation side. So
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: that's one piece of it broadly speaking. There And I
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: was just right now with maybe fifty kind of immigration
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: community activists and leaders from different groups that are on
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: the ground doing this work right now in Los Angeles,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: and there they are modeling just the behavior. We're talking
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: about attorneys that are working with immigration groups. We're talking
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: about immigration advocates that are trying to visit these detention centers.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: We're talking about folks that are doing rapid response on
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the ground. We're talked to folks that are just donors
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: that are donating to kind of these rapid response networks.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I talk to faith leaders who are bringing in parishioners
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: who are out communicating and working with families that are
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: oftentimes even too scared.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: To leave their home.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: And so I have found that in every community there
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: is a group or people that are actually doing this work.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Whether it's a local church, whether it's a local immigration organization,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: whether it's a group of lawyers that are doing some
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: pro bono work or working within the legal space. There's
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of ways to get involved broadly. Specifically, our
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Oversight Committee is doing two things where people and get
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: directly engaged. One is in in the next few weeks,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: you're going to hear we'll put this, put this out.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: We're going to be launching the a massive kind of
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: one stop ice and information tracker.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: For that's great. Okay, that's so great. That is going
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: We need it, absolutely I need it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't exist right now. And so we want
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: to make sure that we are tracking every instance of
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: abuse and tearror that is being right now put out
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: and being done every day by ICE and by critical
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: moment folks. And so we're working and building that right now,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: and we have some groups that are that are assisting
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: us with that as well. So folks will be able
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: to submit video information to this track or so that
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: we can keep all of the information also and from
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: a national perspective.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: In that's so important. So most as someone who gets
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: so many people reaching out to me for help, that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: is ninety percent of the things are just info sharing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: You don't actually need an immigration attorney half the time,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: but just people are just trying to figure out what's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: going on. And I think that's really important.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Exactly, So that's going to be a way for people
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: to be able to communicate with us directly and send
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: us information so that we have it on able to
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: share it into the public record. The second piece, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I know this sounds so but you said it earlier,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: just for for purposes of winning in the courtroom, we
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: have to not just win obviously public opinion. We have
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: to win in the courtroom. Need and first of all
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: in the courtroom, and we have to document and we
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: need to build the case. And it takes work, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: it takes putting all.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: This It does it really does for people who don't and.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: So and for us in Congress that it's it's critical
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: for us to have all this information. The second piece,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: which we announced today is we're going to be launching
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: some field hearings that will be happening in communities across
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: the country. Our very first one is going to be
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. We will be announcing the date hopefully
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: here in the.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Next Okay, Yeah, that'd be great. Share it with us,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: we can put it out on the channel.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: It's great. And what the fuel hearing is going to
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: be an opportunity for members of Congress in the community
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: to come together and listen to testimony from people in
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: the community. And we're going to also provide ways where
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: folks can do it in a way that thinks that
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: that we're keeping their safety in mind as well. But
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: it's going to be an opportunity for there to be
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: actual the stories and actions that are happening. Information needs
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: to be shared with us. We're going to go into
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: the community as well, and so the very first one
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: will be in Los Angeles. It'll be I think it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: quite exciting and so that's something also.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, definitely going into the communities is
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: so important. I mean, so much of what happens in
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: immigrant communities from my experience just as a guest, right
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is word of mouth.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure, that is the biggest way. I mean,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: is family coming from Haiti. That's how we learned about everything.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: You heard it from someone's aunt, someone's cousin, a friend, church.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Et cetera.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: So that's how you really get the word out. And
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I think when it comes from your own community, you
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: tend to trust that information.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Right, So thank you so much for joining us. I
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: know you're the mayor of Long Beach. We've got a
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: long Beach here in Long Island. It's a little bit different,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but to say thank you, and the first openly gay
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: immigrant congressman, is that right? Right? That's all correct? Okay,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: all right? So who's your favorite drag queen in Long Beach, California.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: We're gonna actually we're gonna venmo Her in your honor.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm gonna vemo Her one hundred dollars. What's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: her name?
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Jewles Jewels Long Beach is my favorite drag queen in
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Long Beach.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Jewels Long Beach. I got wait for Jewels Long Beach
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: to wake up at four pm and be like, who
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the hell is this guy is sending me? Congressman Garcia,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: send him under Carson Garcia's name. So Jewels Long Beach,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: go find her on venmo or cat shop and send
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: her some money. Tip your drag queens. Thank you Congressman
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: for joining us so much.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: For joining us.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: We appreciate Thank you.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Care Bye bye, so tails from the DM friends. Please remember,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: while Michael is a lawyer.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: He is not your lawyer unless you want to hire me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a difference.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I am. Everyone has a price, and I'm actually pretty cheap.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Just got to ask any of my ex boyfriends ask me.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: This is Maggie from O Hi, and I was wondering
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: if you could explain to me what's happening with banning
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: of bird control pills in this country from a legal perspective.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: I keep reading about it, but I would love to
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: know in a simple way, what is actually happening and
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: how likely this is?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, great question, this is. This is an interesting one
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: because it's I always feel bad when I have to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: answer these because it really is it depends half the time,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: like it really does, depend on the state you're in. Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: so right now, birth control is not being banned in
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: the US. I think there is. It's always like the
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: threat of restricting contraceptives for women is always sort of
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: a topic that continues to come up, and it is
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: very much these Republicans leap on any opportunity to sort
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of keep women down, down right, And it always anything
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: we talk about, it is always poor people who experience
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the worst, right, people who are experiencing poverty.
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  Speaker 2: Who who don't have access, who.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Don't have access, are It's a way to ensure that
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: poor people remain poor and that the rich poor gap grows.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: So federal law and Supreme Court precedent still protect the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: right to get contraceptives. There is a very famous Supreme
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Court President Griswold versus Connecticut. It's from nineteen sixty five,
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  Speaker 1: as well as Eisenstadt fe Baired it's nineteen seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: So these are the Supreme Court precedents that protect a
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  Speaker 1: woman's right to contrast contraceptives. I don't know why I
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: can't say that word because you don't have to. I
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  Speaker 1: guess because I've never gotten a oneman pregnant, and never
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: even would be in a situation where that would happen.
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  Speaker 2: Never.
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  Speaker 1: We can get into it. We'll do that in the
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  Speaker 1: off we'll do that the b sides, the brief resetts.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: After dark, we'll get into that. The end scene seventeen
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  Speaker 1: after eleven PM. Do you remember when VH VH one
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: or MTV, it was like it was like at night
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: it would become softcore porn. It was blue, it was
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it was a little it go blue. Yeah, anyway, moving on,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: are you okay?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: We got?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: We really got? I love when I dag our producer
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: where we got the bus going because they have to
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: listen to me app all day. So you basically, if
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: contraceptives were under fire, it would get worked up through
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the court system and eventually go to the Supreme Court
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and those precedents would be argued against. I would hope
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that in a situation like this there would be extreme
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: public outrage, like this really would be even right now
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: with the ways in which Republicans are restricting access to abortion,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's going to be different. And that's right. A man
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  Speaker 1: went on the record and said the word abortion. I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: know it doesn't happen that often, but you know, they
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  Speaker 1: have to be really creative with how they do it,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: right they say, oh, like the fire code or oh
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a certain number are still within
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the state, even though they're like eight hours apart, Like
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: they still have to be kind of creative thinkers when
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do evil so the same would sort
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  Speaker 1: of happen with contraceptives. And also, like the sort of
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: expansive nature of America, we think about this a lot
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  Speaker 1: with the commerce clause, right, like interstate commerce, the transportation
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  Speaker 1: of contraceptives across state lines. I know of people who
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: after the election were like stocking up on Plan B
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: here in New York and like mailing it to southern states.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: So it will be something interesting to watch. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: really seen it come up that much, but it is
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  Speaker 1: a very curious question, Thank you, Maggie.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 3: I actually wonder what's going to happen, especially you know
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: most of the sort of now the Republican Party and
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Maga Republicans, they're very much on this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're doing this with God behind us.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: And there is this theory for a lot of religion
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: sort of across the board, right, like make lots of babies,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: make lots of babies.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: The last thing, I am happily childless, And maybe we'll
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: add that to my next tattoo us well, that you
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: are childless by choice. We pa to talk about, yes, exactly,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you have the choice. Yes, I have all the choices.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a white man in a suit I can get
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  Speaker 1: away with pretty much anything. Just about you have kids,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: You've got a family. Do you want to tell people
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: about your life and your choices.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I do not any biological children. I do have a
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: stepdaughter who is lovely, and she and I get along
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: really well. And I love other people's kids. That's who
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I am. I am perpetually aka Auntie Lisa. That's who
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I am the uncle. Well, my husband Brad is like
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the fun uncle with the kids, but I'm the uncle
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: where you know, if you are beefing at school or
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: you need someone to help you buy beer, don't you
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: can't call me. I would never do that. I would
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  Speaker 1: absolutely never teach.
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  Speaker 2: You how to rom do not abide.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I only roll ankles, not joints.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: He's rolled a couple of ankles, both.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Both at the same time. No, you've never seen me
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: wear pleasers.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Daisy from Los Angelis him Daisy first
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of all?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Voiceover actress love right?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And Daisy's a really good name, whether or not it's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: your real name or not.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I don't I imagine Daisy. What do we think Daisy
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: looks like?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Immediately in my head, Daisy for me is a Latina, right,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I think, and I think she's got her Chola makeup down.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I love.
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  Speaker 1: She's from the South Bronx. Yeah, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she says she's from lah, so I think she's
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: from South La.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know the neighborhoods in LA
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that well.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's who I think. I think Davy Daisy
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: is fierce, and I think she has got.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: A hook of you's right, No, I think that's right.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I think we could open like a whole like booth
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: at a state fair of us, just like based on
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: people's voices, guessing what they look like. So maybe submit
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a question and we'll guess what you look like.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: I feel like there's so much in the news about
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Trump trying to pardon p Diddy or Gallaine Maxwell.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: We not the ditty shout out not again.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: No.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I also wonder why they keep on saying that Glayne Maxwell.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like everybody's mispronouncing her name. My I had
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: an aunt who's that was Yeah, and that's not.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: How you say it?
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: How do you say it?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know who Gallaine is all over.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Like Gallaine Galaine Gulaine is such like a clunky, flat footage. Right,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: We've got yeah, we've got a big flat foot stomp
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: in the street. It's Gallayne.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, sorry, go ahead.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: And I'm wondering, is there any interesting cases that previous
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: presidents have ever pardoned before? Are really controversial ones in
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: the past? Are these particularly insane?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, to try and compare American history to what's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: happening right now is impossible. This is not really We
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: are sort of living in like, uh, the different timeline.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: None of this is real. This is a simulation.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: There have been a lot of pardons in the past
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that were like, I mean, pardons are always a little
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: bit controversial. I remember Chelsea Manning's pardoning. People were like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: oh my god, but the arp springing, like there's always
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: sort of like the opposition is always saying, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: it's usually.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: One of those things that our president does on their
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: way out.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like Roger Stone trumped about in twenty twenty, right,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Paul Maniford, Michael Flynn was in twenty twenty. There was
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: a whole sort of like crop of controversial pardons.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, Biden pardoned his son like that was Dad.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: If you're watching, you better pardon my ass. If you're
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: ever in office. I want a pardon.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I might send my kids to the clink. You do
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: just out here selling the family name.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Tell the story of when your dad on a jury.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: We might not have enough time for this, right enough
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to wait for the next episode. We'll do it next time, Okay. Well, yes,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of examples of this happening throughout history.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: None of them are as insane as none of them
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with human trafficking of minors, So
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that is sort of a wild thing. If Trump does
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: decide to pardon, say her name.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Just Lenn Maxwell, thank you so much.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, so that would be unprecedented in such a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: way that we would probably need a new word that
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: is a synonym for unprecedented that hasn't been invented yet. Anyway,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: those are the weirdest things people sent me today. Thank
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: you so much, Congressman Garcia for coming on the show today.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I had a great time talking to you.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I always have a good time. Song.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we got we got it all on the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: record about ditty trial. Maybe we'll do a whole didty
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• 57:42
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• 57:51
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• 57:52
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