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Book Club: Nothing But Blackened Teeth · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I never told your prediction by her radio.
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  Speaker 2: And for this month's book Club of October, we are
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  Speaker 2: coming in with a horror fiction for our spooky time
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  Speaker 2: of the month. I feel like, yeah, and of the
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  Speaker 2: year whatever, all the years, all the months, this season,
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  Speaker 2: it's just spooky right. This is written by Malaysian author
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  Speaker 2: Cassandra Ka and the title is nothing but Blackened Teeth,
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  Speaker 2: which I know is a very strong Asian folklore. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it's Japanese alone, because I've definitely seen
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  Speaker 2: Korean versions of this, Chinese versions of this, Filipino versions
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  Speaker 2: of this, so like obviously, but like this is set
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  Speaker 2: in Japan. Just an FYI, have you heard of this before?
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this legend before.
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  Speaker 1: We did talk about this legend before. It was a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you come back and visit some of these legends.
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  Speaker 2: And just a quick reminder, yes, this was released in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, So spoilers ahead because we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk everything about it. Because this is a very short book.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to take a second, take a
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  Speaker 2: couple hours, read pause here and come back. So This
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  Speaker 2: book was released in twenty twenty one, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of professionals praise this book. We got like Stephen King
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  Speaker 2: coming in and talking about how much he loves it,
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  Speaker 2: and so many others. But I will say there seems
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  Speaker 2: to be a lot of back and forth when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to like peer reviews, and I think it has
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  Speaker 2: something to do with it being a novella. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think any.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's that, and I think it's also and
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about this. I really enjoyed it, but the
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  Speaker 1: ending is quite abrupt, at least that's how I felt like.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, Okay, that's the end. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know a lot of people really like a good Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: here's the ending, it's closed, and this was sort of, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's over, and I guess it's the Yeah, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I That's what I'll say. I would also say
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  Speaker 1: that some people, from what I was reading were just confused,
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  Speaker 1: which I understand. But I think I had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of horrors like that where you're kind of a little
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  Speaker 1: it's meant to be a little confusing or unsorrying, or
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  Speaker 1: you don't know for sure what's happening or what's reality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, and we're gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: give a review at the end of the book. And
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  Speaker 2: it is a lot, but it is very short. It
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  Speaker 2: is very short novella. The writer herself is not new
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  Speaker 2: to this horror life. She has several several books that
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  Speaker 2: are horror related to people. Love also was a part
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  Speaker 2: of the horror video game genre. Yeah, she helped with
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  Speaker 2: many pretty big ones as well as help written and
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  Speaker 2: I think there were like several narrative driven horror that
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  Speaker 2: you would enjoy. So she is not new to this, yeah, y'all,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know. But yes, so this is a
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  Speaker 2: novella that puts a lot in a very small book,
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  Speaker 2: very few amount of pages. So let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: jump into it. So we meet the main protagonist, Kat, who,
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  Speaker 2: along with several high school friends, come together to see
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  Speaker 2: the e littlement of Talia and FaZe at a haunted
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  Speaker 2: Hayan style mansion in Japan. Turns out, Phillip, a rich
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  Speaker 2: friend of the group, put this fancy trip together for Talia,
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  Speaker 2: whose dream has been to get married in a haunted place.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like Japan is appropriate because it's scarce
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  Speaker 2: that of me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it also made me laugh when I read that,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, how have I never thought
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  Speaker 1: of this idea? Getting married?
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  Speaker 2: Is your dream to go get married?
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  Speaker 1: But I just think that's a I can see people
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  Speaker 1: wanting to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's do this. The four have come together through
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  Speaker 2: some tumultuous times. They all were involved together somehow very
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  Speaker 2: intustuous group. Cat dated Phase in a high school but
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  Speaker 2: they never even kissed. So that we find out Philip
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  Speaker 2: had relations with both Kat and Talia, and at one
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  Speaker 2: point Kat tried to break Phase and Talia up, and
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  Speaker 2: because both of them seem to be miserable and arguing
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  Speaker 2: all the time, Talia really hates Cat for that. Yeah right,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, like that, like it's not in the same
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  Speaker 2: but then she really can't stand her. So Kat at
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  Speaker 2: one time seemed to have needed some hospitalization due to
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  Speaker 2: mental health issues. We're never told exactly what, and though
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  Speaker 2: she has now she is now better, she's still struggling
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  Speaker 2: with some things, including maybe hallucinations. So as they all
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  Speaker 2: explore the home and talk a bit about the past,
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  Speaker 2: like how Fays didn't know that Talia and Philip had
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  Speaker 2: dated before they got together, or if Philip would say
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  Speaker 2: anything about that, that seems to be very big, hush
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  Speaker 2: hush secret type of thing. Talia also makes it known
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  Speaker 2: that she didn't want kat there but had to because
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  Speaker 2: Faize and Philip wanted her there, so she was invited,
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  Speaker 2: and also we learn about a bit about this house.
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  Speaker 2: The legend goes that as soon to be bride fiance
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  Speaker 2: was at the mansion waiting for her future groom to
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  Speaker 2: get married, but before they could, he died, leaving her
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  Speaker 2: heartbroken and mourning, so she vowed to remain there waiting
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  Speaker 2: for him, being cemented into the walls again waiting for
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  Speaker 2: his return, and to keep her from being lonely, they
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  Speaker 2: sacrificed the young girl to stay with her every year,
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  Speaker 2: which seems like a red fly that they should have
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  Speaker 2: listened to that legend, especially because they're like, well, so
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  Speaker 2: we don't want sign papers because we don't need even
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  Speaker 2: pay patrol. That's two big signs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big sign.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, just saying later, Lynn joins the party.
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  Speaker 2: He is the fifth He's the funny, culinary one, also
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  Speaker 2: the one that got married in a very fancy wedding
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  Speaker 2: and lives in Manhattan. He is very obvious to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he was only there for Kat, who apparently
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  Speaker 2: had a relationship with her as well, Something Something As
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  Speaker 2: the night continues, Talia suggests the game, in which they
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  Speaker 2: tell one hundred scary stories and blow out a candle
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  Speaker 2: every time they do to see if anybody flinches. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: it's a Samurai thing, which I don't think it's true,
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  Speaker 2: but hey, who knows. As the night ends, Cat volunteers
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  Speaker 2: to tell the last story of a young woman of
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  Speaker 2: the house, and while she's doing so, she sees a
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  Speaker 2: young woman throughout the night with black and teeth who
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  Speaker 2: kept saying the same Japanese lines about being on a mountain,
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  Speaker 2: being alone, waiting, and as Kat is saying the story,
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  Speaker 2: she sees the young ghost woman and says it out loud,
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  Speaker 2: and Talia goes to chase after this ghost woman and
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  Speaker 2: their face and Philip and Kat all warn her not to,
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  Speaker 2: but she runs and Faz and Philip follow behind. Lynn
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  Speaker 2: warns and forces Cat to stay behind, talking about the
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  Speaker 2: different scary movie tropes with the fact that they are
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  Speaker 2: most likely to die. Cat raises the point that Phase
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  Speaker 2: and Philip have been there for her when Lynn wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: and then Lynn even got married without telling Kat, which
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  Speaker 2: seemed like a big thing. Again, A lot of things
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  Speaker 2: got glossed over very quickly. They were like okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And all the while they wait and suddenly Talia pops
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  Speaker 2: out of nowhere, like essentially a wall all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden the door, saying that I had to come and
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  Speaker 2: see what she found. And after a lot of back
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  Speaker 2: and forth, they go with her to a room where
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  Speaker 2: she's donning a veil and wedding clothes. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: Philip was supposed to getting them married. I can't tell
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  Speaker 2: is he actually a priest or is he pretending to
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  Speaker 2: be a priest? Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was pretending to be a priest. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean I guess even if he was actually
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  Speaker 1: a priest, it still had an air of him kind
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  Speaker 1: of putting on airs, like there is something about it
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  Speaker 1: that felt a little like your ears over selling this
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Too much, a little too death does protest too much.
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  Speaker 2: But Kat knows something is wrong and tries to leave
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  Speaker 2: and tries to get everyone to leave, when Lynn just
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  Speaker 2: his Talia. I thought that was interesting, Like not the
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  Speaker 2: reaction I thought, but okay, And she is revealed to
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  Speaker 2: be the ghost bride who speaks in Japanese. After Phase
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  Speaker 2: has a meltdown and they all go to see if
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  Speaker 2: they can find a solution. They find a book, because
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  Speaker 2: you know in all the movies, they find a book
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  Speaker 2: that Phase reads it, though the rest of them they
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  Speaker 2: can't see anything. It's blank pages. But yet he sees
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  Speaker 2: something about the corners, the Four Kings, some body parts,
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  Speaker 2: some blood, some cumb okay. After some arguing and back
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  Speaker 2: and forth, tensions rise and Philip is murdered by Phase,
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  Speaker 2: disemboweled essentially. I don't know what kind of knife he had.
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  Speaker 2: At this time, they decided to go ahead and complete
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  Speaker 2: the instructions with an organ. Philip's organ Fai has discovered
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  Speaker 2: and Talia appears out of nowhere, and as she does,
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  Speaker 2: Philip dies like his last breath happens right there. They
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  Speaker 2: all leave and they all tell the same stories to police,
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  Speaker 2: to parents, to everyone. They drank too much. The house
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  Speaker 2: caught on fire and Philip wasn't able to get out.
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  Speaker 2: Soon after the funeral and after they all leave, they
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  Speaker 2: all dressed apart. Talia, unable to get past the trauma
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  Speaker 2: that she is, ends up being hospitalized. Kat going back
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  Speaker 2: to school for finance kindom stuff, and that's the end.
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  Speaker 3: Of the story.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your review of this book.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. It wasn't at all what I
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  Speaker 1: expected based on the summary, but I did enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: I like a good creepy haunted house setting, right right,
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  Speaker 1: that's classic. I liked the kind of the horror, kind
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  Speaker 1: of the classic traditional horror with your kind of newer horror,
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  Speaker 1: because there was an air of it that at first
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  Speaker 1: felt it might be a slasher kind of because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have the character they like they're gonna die because
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  Speaker 1: they don't believe in this, or they're going to die
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  Speaker 1: because you know X y Z. So that was fun.
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  Speaker 1: And just kind of the playing with the tropes and
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  Speaker 1: mixing those two kind of older horror versus newer horror,
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  Speaker 1: I thought was really fun. And you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: trope of a friend group who has all of this
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  Speaker 1: trauma and actually apparently doesn't really like each other in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, like that was very apparent. The
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  Speaker 1: whole bride thing, which I've seen in a lot of horror,
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  Speaker 1: was interesting, and the imagery was very I thought, very disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was a good loss of imagery.
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  Speaker 1: MM hm, yes, I did.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I think it's very short. It is
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  Speaker 2: very short, it is very abrupt, which is what happens
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  Speaker 2: with most novellas in general. But I think a part
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  Speaker 2: of like what I did love is it also played
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  Speaker 2: on that trope we're talk about trips in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but like is this real? Isn't real? Is she seeing
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  Speaker 2: things or isn't she seeing things? That narrative, which has
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  Speaker 2: been more fun narrative, like it was always there, it
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  Speaker 2: was never there type of conversation. Her seeing the body
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  Speaker 2: stacked as if their brick or there would being the
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  Speaker 2: structure of the house was interesting. The Japanese conversations that
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  Speaker 2: come in between the fact that yes, they do have
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  Speaker 2: like a comedy relief, but not. I was very confused
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  Speaker 2: about this dude coming from the US with all of
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  Speaker 2: the food.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, this wedding situation, you imported cheeses?
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  Speaker 2: Can you do this? I don't understand what are we
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  Speaker 2: talking about here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But then also like yes, the obvious distand between Talia
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  Speaker 2: and Kat. I didn't know where that was going. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know if that was a central plot, and it
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  Speaker 2: really wasn't. I guess the relationships were like kind of
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  Speaker 2: the plot the house was the sixth main character. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I gave it the
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  Speaker 2: time and feel to imagine the house. I needed to
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  Speaker 2: do better, Like it was definitely what I imagined a
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  Speaker 2: traditional Japanese home, but at the same time, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a mansion, so I wonder what that means on
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  Speaker 2: that level with all of the artifacts and like figurines
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  Speaker 2: that that we talk about, Like this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those that you need a good two or three lessens
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  Speaker 2: or reads read through is because you're like, what did
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  Speaker 2: I just miss? What did they just say? Like the
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  Speaker 2: adding of come the ingredient was odd. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: huh yeah, okay, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's also that's a classic trope too
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  Speaker 1: of the as you said, the finding of the book
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  Speaker 1: and you've got to get these things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those things. I'm like, that seems like an odd
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  Speaker 2: thing for a virgin bride waiting for her. Okay, you
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  Speaker 2: know what you do, you maybe this is what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The sacrifice was Philip this time and not a bride,
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  Speaker 2: but he was seen as like the a prize in
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  Speaker 2: this moment. We don't know what that means whether it's
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  Speaker 2: like he saw himself as a trophy. She the way
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  Speaker 2: Cat described him seemed to say that he's the trophy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he thought he was like the white hero savior type.
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  Speaker 1: He was like in a many traditional horror movies. He
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  Speaker 1: would have been the guy that saved the day, right,
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  Speaker 1: but instead by saving the day, he died in his
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  Speaker 1: body gut.
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  Speaker 2: And then also the question is did he have a motive?
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  Speaker 2: Was it for Talia or was it not? Like what
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  Speaker 2: was this end? Did Phase actually know and just killed
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  Speaker 2: him at a rage?
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  Speaker 1: And not just because that's true.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there are a few themes of course, like horror,
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  Speaker 2: like we have the friendship, we have the beginning, and
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  Speaker 2: we have the end. We have an obvious conversation about
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  Speaker 2: what happened in high school. Whether was Talia a part
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  Speaker 2: of high school? Was she a part of like college
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  Speaker 2: the way they made it sound because Lynn talked about
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  Speaker 2: not knowing phil that will or Philip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Talia was part of college.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought she was a later on.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was a later addition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that it was mainly the four of them
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  Speaker 2: and Kat was the glue. Yeah, she had a psychotic
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  Speaker 2: break whatever that was that made everybody nervous. They wanted
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  Speaker 2: to protect her, but they didn't. It was an odd relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think it's interesting that so many
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  Speaker 1: horror properties have done this recently. It's not new, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's become a very popular thing recently.
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  Speaker 1: Of the friend group that you think is a friend
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  Speaker 1: group and then you learn more and you're hmm, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad blood here.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things with Kat that was interesting
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  Speaker 1: is that they did have this nervousness around her, this
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  Speaker 1: sort of are you good? Should we have even invited you?
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  Speaker 1: But she had been with it all the men in
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  Speaker 1: the group at least a little bit, and so there
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  Speaker 1: was kind of that weird jealousy of yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And from what we gathered towards the end, when Lynn
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  Speaker 2: was like making his talk of a conversational about like
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  Speaker 2: we're the first to die, she was queer. I think
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  Speaker 2: she's the bisexual of the group, which is interesting, like
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  Speaker 2: not necesarily, like she couldn't be absolutely, but that she
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  Speaker 2: was the center of that type of attention as well
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  Speaker 2: that I'm like, are you trying to add a little
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  Speaker 2: more to the trope for us to possibly think she's
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  Speaker 2: gonna I like, not sure, not sure where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: And again it may have absolutely had to do with
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  Speaker 2: theos A novella, so we get glimpses and not the
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  Speaker 2: all the story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that a lot of those
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  Speaker 1: a lot of horror, but a lot of shorter horror. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: it is meant to make you kind of it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like a mirror where you're reflecting your own experiences and
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  Speaker 1: thoughts into the story of what is she hallucinating or
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  Speaker 1: is she not? Like you are putting your own experiences
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  Speaker 1: in that, and I think, I mean, this is probably
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  Speaker 1: my own bias, but I was kind of like, does
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  Speaker 1: this mean that she was tally in her?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a very quick it was not
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  Speaker 1: explored in length, but okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently something that I missed that as I'm
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  Speaker 2: reading some more reviews of it, they were reliving thin
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  Speaker 2: haunted houses in Kuala lumpor did you hear that that
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  Speaker 2: I missed that part.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that they were relived. Well, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure what they mean by reliving, but I know that
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  Speaker 1: they had visited haunted houses. Yes, they had gone to
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  Speaker 1: haunted houses together. This was a thing that they did.
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  Speaker 2: In my head, that's just like small places in the US,
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  Speaker 2: because I think they're supposed to be based out of
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  Speaker 2: the US, So that's interesting that they went to Kuala Lumpur.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was sort of the culmination of a just
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of visiting of haunted houses. And again I
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  Speaker 1: was surprised. I'd never thought of this getting married on.
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  Speaker 2: It, getting married on a house. But yes, we also
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  Speaker 2: see the end of the friend show, so whatever the
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  Speaker 2: mess was, we saw the final ending, which feels like
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  Speaker 2: any adulthood. And maybe that's the worst story of it all,
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  Speaker 2: even without this tragedy that could have that would have
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  Speaker 2: happened except for the pipe and tal yah and face.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if they got married. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like they got married.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they did. And that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: about horror movies too, is that you know, usually it
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  Speaker 1: either ends where you're close, you bond over this trauma,
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  Speaker 1: or you're jud buddy together trauma, never want to see
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  Speaker 1: each other again.
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  Speaker 2: And we've talked to each other again as part of
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  Speaker 2: the wolffect yes, and coming into horror movie stereotypes scary
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  Speaker 2: movie tropes. Yes, we have the funny guy and queer
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  Speaker 2: characters possibly dying in the end, but instead we had
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  Speaker 2: that flip of only one person dying. It was the
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  Speaker 2: one that everyone's assumed would survive.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so they Lynn literally says this, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, we should get out of here. We're going
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to be the first to go. He says this to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Kat as things are starting to become clear that something
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  Speaker 1: is amiss. Yeah, and so I did enjoy that of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the flipping of the acknowledgment and the thing of the trope.
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  Speaker 2: She does it at a very beginning that she's like, Oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna die here. We're definitely, We're definitely coming to
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  Speaker 2: die here. This is the this is ridiculous. What have
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: we done? I need to leave. But she kept keeps going.
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  Speaker 1: Which is also something that happens in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: horror stuff. You know, you have that intuition I probably
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, and you keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Interestingly, So again, I've been reading a lot of reviews
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  Speaker 2: on this and that whole like white Man is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to survive and he's also a jock like all these things,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and then he plays the priest so like he's supposed
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to be the pure one as well, but he's definitely
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: not the pure one in this group. But like it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: seemingly like that's what they're trying to put on this.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: One Reddit post in reviews did you see this was
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: so angry and called this book a woke which I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was like, what, what, what's this and then be racist
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: towards white people.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's an anti white man.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what is what is happening? And
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: everyone's response to that, I was like, I think that's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: kind of a reach. We understand you might not have
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: liked these topic things, but this was not anything about
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  Speaker 2: being woke. It has nothing to like, no one's telling
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: you that you have to be gay to survive. No
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: one's telling you being white means you're definitely gonna die.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: They were annoyed with him in general for trying to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: save everyone, like, and they were also annoyed with each other,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: like this was not a thing where they were bullying
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: because he said bullying the white dude. I was like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: huh no.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: He wanted to be the hero, and you know, the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: truth of it is a lot of times, if we
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: take it out of our movies, you probably would die.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And you're trying to do that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Back in.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and already, as we mentioned, this was purposely
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: flipping a lot of the tropes, like usually it is
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  Speaker 1: that guy, the white guy who does it, or the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: final the white final girl who does it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was quite funny that and
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it was a long Reddit post. He was very upset.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like you're just reaching to be upset. Also,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: this is not a white person writing this, so is
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that why you're angry?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: There's spending too much time on this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Like what is happening? This was twenty twenty one, y'all,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and the review was from twenty twenty one and then
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the same like women being sacrificed for men, and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: feel like this, especially like when it comes to the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: bridal trope, like the that is a const or always
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: waiting and so therefore either they've been wronged by men
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: or they're waiting on men.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reading this reminded me of because Samantha and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I are working on a hopefully not huge, too big
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of an episode on religious Horror, and I was debating
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: whether to put a section on there about marriage because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'd forgotten how big bridal horror is huge. It's really huge,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and this idea, I mean, that's the whole basis of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this horror story of the house they're staying in, is that,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it's this woman who's waiting and waiting for
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a groom who might never come, and sacrificing all these
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: other women every year year to do it. And that's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: what the house is built on, which I find really interesting.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: In terms of a conversation we recently had about a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: game I played on f which was based in Japan,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and it was about kind of the horror of marriage
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and how women, at least in the timeframe that game
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was set in, which was in the nineteen sixties, didn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: have like you kind of had to get married and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it was sort of a was a horrific thing if
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you did and if you didn't. At least in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: frame of that game, that's how it was. But I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: had I did. This made me step and pause. I'd
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: forgotten how big of a trope that is, the kind
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of the bride.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It's big.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It is big, yeah, and it's quite an image of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the woman waiting for for the man to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: come and hopefully that would put her.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: At peace, yeah, which he never does.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Usually in a nice like finery or something. Yeah, which
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: is a good exposition against maybe a decaying visage or whatever.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But it is a striking image for sure.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It is. The book is really like the cover is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: really creepy. Yeah, oh yeah, but I've seen that cover
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: before and like not that cover, but like that kind
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of art for Japanese legend, and that's definitely what it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: based on. So some of the games that Cassandra has
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: worked on includes Gotham Knight's World of Horror. She co
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: wrote that Where the Water Tastes like Wine, Wasteland three.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: So she's been, she's been, she's been doing that's just
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: a few, Like, she's done a few of these things.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So genre, this genre is up her ally, it's her thing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Would be interested that she's got several other books. So
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: this book in itself actually was nominated for several different awards,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: including the Brahmstroker Award, the Shirley Jackson Award, the World
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Fantasy Award, so like it definitely got her name out there,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: even though she had already written several books beforehand that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: also was nominated. I think she actually won for Best
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Fiction Collection for Breakable Things that just released a couple
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of years ago. So we should add some of those
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: things to our later lists.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: We should, we should, And I read a lot of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: reviews that did say this is very reminiscent of us
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Shirley Jackson. Yeah. Uh, no vella. So if that's your
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: if that's your thing, I highly recommend it. It's very
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it is very short. It's like a creepy haunted house story.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: If you're looking for it that this is for you. Yeah, yes,
• 25:21
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