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The Kenny Report | 2 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 4: The nuclear option back on the table for the coalition,
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  Speaker 4: but what shape will it take? Liberal Deputy leader Ted
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  Speaker 4: O'Brien joins me. Anti Israel protest is want to tarnish
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  Speaker 4: the Opera House with their hatred and lies. Again, wyon't
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  Speaker 4: somebody stop them all this while a peace plan hangs
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  Speaker 4: in the balance. I'll talk to Alexander Downer and Zoey Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get an Australian military action too, to Pete Headseth's
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  Speaker 4: call in the US for the military to shun political correctness.
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  Speaker 4: All that, plus Nicole and Keith's bust up and Tim
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  Speaker 4: Blair and Mark Nicholson on Greta Tumberg's arrest and come
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  Speaker 4: Ola Haaris heading down under again.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: The pro Palestinian protest is the anti Israel mob are
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  Speaker 4: at it again. I mentioned yesterday how they'd fallen silent.
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  Speaker 3: They should be out.
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  Speaker 4: There demanding that Hamas agreed to the peace plan put
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  Speaker 4: forward by Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: But they're not.
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  Speaker 4: They're not grabbing the opportunity to embrace peace, to push
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  Speaker 4: for peace. No, Instead, they're looking to leverage the two
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  Speaker 4: year anniversary of the October the seventh atrocities to push
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  Speaker 4: their anti Israel message, their lies that I'll show you
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  Speaker 4: in just a moment, and their message of hatred and division.
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  Speaker 4: And they want to do this at the Opera House
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  Speaker 4: on October the twelfth.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that's where they went.
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  Speaker 4: On October the ninth, twenty twenty three, just forty eight
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  Speaker 4: hours after the atrocities in Israel, they rallied at Sydney's
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  Speaker 4: Town Hall, a whole host of them. They then march
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  Speaker 4: to Circular Key and the Opera House because the sales
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  Speaker 4: were going to be illuminated in the colors of Israel
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  Speaker 4: to commemorate the more than twelve hundred Israelis slaughtered by
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  Speaker 4: Hamas and other terrorists on that sickening occasion, one that
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  Speaker 4: shamed our nation around the world. Police warned Jewish Australians
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  Speaker 4: not to attend this planned memorial and they stood back
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  Speaker 4: and watched as hateful protesters chanted intimidatory messages at Australian Jews.
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  Speaker 4: What an absolute disgrace. There were thousands of them. They're
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  Speaker 4: chanting all sorts of hateful and intimidating chants and slogans
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  Speaker 4: against Australian Jews. The police were wrong then to allow
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  Speaker 4: that protest. They didn't have a permit to be in
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  Speaker 4: that area. They were wrong not to arrest people for
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  Speaker 4: those chants, and the state and federal governments were week
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  Speaker 4: in failing to call out this behavior strongly enough.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, only the night before we heard this hatred smiling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in Haytan.
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  Speaker 6: It's a day of courage fall.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that bloke marched across the Harbor Bridge earlier this year,
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  Speaker 4: This vile celebration happened in our streets while Israelis were
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  Speaker 4: still retrieving bodies and trying to work out who was
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  Speaker 4: dead and who had been taken hostage or this was
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  Speaker 4: before the war against Hummas had begun in Gaza. In
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  Speaker 4: those first couple of days, our police at our governments
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  Speaker 4: set the scene for the escalating anti semitism we've seen
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  Speaker 4: in this country ever since. And now protesters what are
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  Speaker 4: returned to the scene of the crime, so to speak,
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  Speaker 4: and have another protest. That would be an insult to
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  Speaker 4: Jewish Australians and shame all of us. And you wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: believe the lies they tell the absolutely disgraceful information they
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  Speaker 4: circulate as they spread their hatred. For instance, their media
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  Speaker 4: release says that October the seventh marks two years since
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  Speaker 4: Israel launched its genocidal campaign against the Palestinian people. No,
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  Speaker 4: it marks two years since Humas terrorists and other Ghazans
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  Speaker 4: breached the border fence and invaded southern Israel and slaughtered
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  Speaker 4: innocent Israelis. How dare they misappropriate that day that atrocity
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  Speaker 4: for their own radical political agenda. On October seventh, Hummas
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  Speaker 4: butchered elderly people, children, young women, and men at a
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  Speaker 4: music festival for peace. They slaughtered entire families, defiled their bodies,
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  Speaker 4: raped women, burned families alive, and beheaded others. They also
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  Speaker 4: took two hundred and fifty hostages, one hundred since killed
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  Speaker 4: and twenty still held alive. What a disgusting lie to
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  Speaker 4: say this date was the date of an Israeli genocidal campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Hummas and the other terrorist groups are the only organizations
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  Speaker 4: pushing for genocide. They exist to eliminate Israel and Jews.
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  Speaker 4: This same media release claims six hundred and eighty thousand
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  Speaker 4: Palestinians have been killed over the past two years another
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  Speaker 4: blatant and hysterical lie overestimating the deathtop in this horrible
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  Speaker 4: war by more than six hundred thousand people or tenfold.
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  Speaker 4: Even Hummas only claims sixty thousand people have been killed,
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  Speaker 4: and while all figures are largely speculative, experts believe as
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  Speaker 4: many as half of the casualties around thirty thousand deaths,
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  Speaker 4: have been terrorist combatants. This media releases full of bile
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  Speaker 4: and lies. It even refers to Israel as a genocidal
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  Speaker 4: apartheid regime, which is grotesquely ironic because while Israel is
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  Speaker 4: a pluralistic democracy where Jews and Muslims live side by side,
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  Speaker 4: it is Hummas controlled Gaza where Jews were expelled andanding
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  Speaker 4: over Gaza to the Palestinians twenty years ago, and from
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  Speaker 4: where Hamas Islamic Jihad and others.
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  Speaker 3: Aim to kill any and all Jews.
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  Speaker 4: If you want genocidal aims and apartheid, go to hum
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  Speaker 4: Us controlled Gaza. How could our country allow these lying,
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  Speaker 4: hateful protesters to spread their message and information at the
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  Speaker 4: Opera House, again using our iconic, globally recognized backdrop to
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  Speaker 4: spread hatred and bile. Opposition leader Susan Lee has condemned
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  Speaker 4: the plan, saying the City Opera House belongs to all Australians,
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  Speaker 4: not activists and protesters, and saying we need to resist
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  Speaker 4: these efforts to use the Opera House as a symbol
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  Speaker 4: to sow division. Lee says it's a day when the
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  Speaker 4: Australian Jewish community will be coming together to mark the
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  Speaker 4: largest loss of life since the Holocaust and that the
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  Speaker 4: fact these activists will continue to sew division and tear
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  Speaker 4: at social cohesion is disgusting but not surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: That is strong and spot on from Lee. Some moral
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  Speaker 4: clarity there, but not from the New South Wales premier,
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  Speaker 4: who was washing his hands of any decision about allowing
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  Speaker 4: the protest.
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  Speaker 7: They'll make the decision based on public safety grounds. I'm
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  Speaker 7: not going to offer a public commentary before they've spoken,
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  Speaker 7: if for no other reason that I don't want to
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  Speaker 7: draw attention to the organizers that seem to thrive on
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  Speaker 7: the notoriety.
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  Speaker 3: Of it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, leaving it to the police without any leadership or
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  Speaker 4: guidance from the government failed miserably two years ago, so
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  Speaker 4: the premier seems to have learned nothing. Remember, they let
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  Speaker 4: these protesters use the Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge earlier this year.
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  Speaker 4: Our political leaders don't seem to know how to say no.
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  Speaker 4: We're still waiting to hear what the police decide. Surely
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  Speaker 4: in two years the authorities will have learned something.
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  Speaker 3: I fear not.
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  Speaker 4: We still don't know whether the coalition will stick with
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  Speaker 4: net zero or not, but it's become ab abundantly clear
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  Speaker 4: that they will stick with nuclear energy. And whether they
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  Speaker 4: stick with net zero or not, they obviously still need
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  Speaker 4: to remain committed to reducing emissions.
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  Speaker 3: Net zero won't happen anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Labor is committed to a goal it will never meet,
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  Speaker 4: not without destroying the country at least, So if we
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  Speaker 4: want to significantly cut emissions and still have reliable and
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  Speaker 4: affordable electricity, we will need nuclear power.
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  Speaker 3: That much has long been clear.
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  Speaker 4: So it's pleasing to hear Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tee
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  Speaker 4: and after an overseas research mission come back home and
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  Speaker 4: back in nuclear.
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  Speaker 8: We had an extensive briefing on the trip and there
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  Speaker 8: was pretty much overwhelming support for those colleagues that I
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  Speaker 8: spoke to that we do need to lift the ban
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  Speaker 8: and that nuclear should play a role in our energy
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  Speaker 8: mix going forward.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing in his charge with coming up with a new
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  Speaker 4: climate and energy policy for the Coalition, and he has
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  Speaker 4: focused on the orcust nuclear submarine deal between Australia, the
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  Speaker 4: US and the UK as a good template for similar
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  Speaker 4: cooperation on domestic nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 8: This is potentially a brand new industry that we could
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  Speaker 8: develop here in Australia and then build knowledge industries on
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  Speaker 8: the back of that. And you know, if we're not
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  Speaker 8: careful here in Australia, we are going to be left
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  Speaker 8: behind when it comes to AI, when it becomes to quantum,
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  Speaker 8: when it becomes when it comes to building these new
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  Speaker 8: knowledge industries, and that's not something we want to give
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  Speaker 8: to younger Australians.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, when Donald Trump was in the UK earlier this month,
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  Speaker 4: a new deal between Britain and the US on nuclear
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  Speaker 4: energy expansion was a major outcome of the visit. We
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  Speaker 4: got expert analysis of that deal from the UK last week.
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  Speaker 9: Well, the deals about is working together to deploy advanced
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  Speaker 9: nuclear really to reindustrialize Britain. You have an American events
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  Speaker 9: reactor developer signing a deal with one of our big
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  Speaker 9: utilities to deploy advanced reactors in an area that was
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  Speaker 9: a big industrial cluster that we need to get advanced nuclear,
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  Speaker 9: so they have the clean, reliable twenty four to seven
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  Speaker 9: energy cut. Those energy prices bring back the jobs of
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  Speaker 9: these areas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, reindustrialization, that's something we need in Australia too, something
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  Speaker 4: the alb and Easy government says it wants to see.
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  Speaker 4: It wants to revitalize manufacturing here. But you can't do
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  Speaker 4: that without reliable and affordable energy, and you can't deliver that.
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  Speaker 3: With renewables alone.
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  Speaker 4: If you're going to phase out coal and gas, you
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  Speaker 4: will need nuclear energy. There is nothing sorer but Labor
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  Speaker 4: is in nuclear denial.
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  Speaker 10: The Liberals and Nationals promised you a sensible energy plan.
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  Speaker 10: Instead they're giving you a risky nuclear scam.
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  Speaker 8: I'm happy to engage in a debate about facts when
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  Speaker 8: it comes to nuclear energy, because the facts and.
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  Speaker 10: The science tells us that it simply doesn't stack up.
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  Speaker 4: If Labor is right about nuclear not being part of
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  Speaker 4: the solution in Australia, then the US must be wrong
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  Speaker 4: and the UK must be wrong too. Those key allies
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  Speaker 4: must have been wrong on nuclear for decades and they're
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  Speaker 4: wrong to expand it now. Apparently so Finland, France, South Korea, China,
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  Speaker 4: Japan and Taiwan. Presumably they're all wrong by placing their
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  Speaker 4: faith in nuclear energy, just like Russia, United Arab Emirates, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Pakistan.
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  Speaker 3: And Freedom Sweden.
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  Speaker 4: All these countries are wrong, apparently, and Anthony Alberanizi and
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  Speaker 4: Chris Bowen are right.
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  Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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  Speaker 4: The Coalition is on the right side of history here
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  Speaker 4: and the right side of logic, engineering and economics. Let
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  Speaker 4: the debate proceed all the way to the next election.
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  Speaker 3: Let's stick with this energy debate.
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  Speaker 4: I caught up with Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien in Perth
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  Speaker 4: and I asked him whether the nuclear question is now
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  Speaker 4: settled for the Coalition.
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  Speaker 11: Well, there's certainly a lot more policy discussions to be had,
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  Speaker 11: but it was great to hear Dan's feedback upon his
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  Speaker 11: return from the United States. And indeed what he is
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  Speaker 11: reflecting is the excitement around this advanced technology we're seeing
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  Speaker 11: around the world and reinforcing the point that it should
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  Speaker 11: be part of a balanced energy mix for Australia's future.
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  Speaker 3: Chris, you of.
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  Speaker 4: Course did all of the work on this topic, on
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  Speaker 4: this issue, this policy in the lead up to the
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  Speaker 4: last election, so you know it intimately and it's just
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  Speaker 4: dealing with reality, isn't it. Anybody who's looking at secure
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  Speaker 4: energy supplies in an emissions reduced world has to incorporate
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  Speaker 4: nuclear energy. That's what countries all around the world, and
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  Speaker 4: indeed all the energy agencies are telling.
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  Speaker 5: Us Chris, that's right.
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  Speaker 11: And if you look at the most recent report by
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  Speaker 11: the IAEA, you see almost sixty countries, almost sixty countries
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  Speaker 11: now introducing nuclear energy for the very first time or
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  Speaker 11: looking to do so.
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  Speaker 5: And there is good reason for that, and you've just
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  Speaker 5: raised it.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, here you have an advanced technology which is
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  Speaker 11: proven to work. It can provide base load power, it
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  Speaker 11: can keep the lights on, it's completely reliable. And yet
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  Speaker 11: still in Australia, the Albanese government is insisting that it
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  Speaker 11: should be illegal, not even prepared to contemplate the possibility
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  Speaker 11: of using the technology which is being used the world over.
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  Speaker 4: Now this is the point, isn't that There are so
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  Speaker 4: many different ways to enter the nuclear age if you like.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Australia has a research and medical reactor has
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  Speaker 4: had for decades at Lucas Heights just south of Sydney.
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  Speaker 4: But Labor and others are making the argument that the
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  Speaker 4: Electorate voters gave their judgment against nuclear at the last election.
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  Speaker 3: But a couple of points on that.
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  Speaker 4: Firstly is it wasn't really a central policy debate during
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  Speaker 4: the campaign.
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  Speaker 3: I think the coalition shied away from it.
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  Speaker 4: But also you wouldn't necessarily put up that same policy
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  Speaker 4: with government funded, major.
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  Speaker 3: Fixed nuclear reactors again, would you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for instance, one way to a minimalist way
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  Speaker 4: to do this is just to get rid of the
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  Speaker 4: LEGI the legal, get rid of the ban on nuclear
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  Speaker 4: energy and see what proposals private investors come up with.
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  Speaker 11: Chris, I laugh when I hear the Labor Party saying
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  Speaker 11: they've got a mandate when it comes to their energy plan,
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  Speaker 11: or indeed they say that the Australian people have voted
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  Speaker 11: on the nuclear question. I mean they basically locked Chris
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  Speaker 11: Bowen in a cupboard for the entire campaign. They didn't
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  Speaker 11: allow him to speak because you were scaring people. They
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  Speaker 11: have absolutely no grounds to raise that sort of an argument.
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  Speaker 11: I think you're right, especially on number one, lifting the moratorium.
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  Speaker 11: Lifting the ban has to be the first thing to do.
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  Speaker 11: Number two, there is no doubt that we are looking
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  Speaker 11: at changing the nuclear policy. But I don't want to
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  Speaker 11: preempt in what way that will take place. Dan Tin's
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  Speaker 11: done a great job at leading the charge in that regard,
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  Speaker 11: and there'll be further conversations, of course, among our colleagues.
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  Speaker 5: We're determined to get it right.
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  Speaker 11: But my personal view has not changed in terms of
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  Speaker 11: the need for nuclear to be part of the mix.
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  Speaker 4: Chris, Well, Let's take up one aspect of what Dan
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  Speaker 4: Teen's spoken about, and that is the whole of this
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  Speaker 4: country understands that we've got a new relationship, if you like,
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  Speaker 4: under Orcus where the United States and the UK and
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  Speaker 4: Australia are cooperating when it comes to nuclear powered submarines.
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  Speaker 4: Now the US and the UK have all the technology
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  Speaker 4: and they're going to share that with us, and that's
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  Speaker 4: a great project for this country.
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  Speaker 3: So it makes sense, doesn't it, to also.
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  Speaker 4: Look at a similar arrangement, similar cooperation when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to civil law or domestic nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 5: Chris, you are spot on.
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  Speaker 11: And if you think of what other countries also have
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  Speaker 11: nuclear propelled submarines, Australia will be the seventh nation to
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  Speaker 11: adopt these submarines. All six other existing nuclear submarine nations
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  Speaker 11: have vibrant civil nuclear programs. In other words, they have
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  Speaker 11: nuclear energy. The two sectors work hand in glove. If
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  Speaker 11: we want Orcust to be a success here in Australia,
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  Speaker 11: we must have nuclear energy, not just for the sake
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  Speaker 11: of our electricity, our energy needs for industry and the like,
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  Speaker 11: but in order for ORCUS to be a success, nuclear
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  Speaker 11: is an absolute imperative from a civil program perspective.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I want to come back to your portfolio
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  Speaker 4: area now of Shadow Treasury, and just note in passing
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  Speaker 4: that this Alban easy labor government, if we put the
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  Speaker 4: pandemic aside, has become the biggest spending government in many,
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  Speaker 4: many decades, records spending, really record taxing and record spending.
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  Speaker 3: If you were to come to government, are you going
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  Speaker 3: to outline spending cuts? How do you this has to
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  Speaker 3: come down?
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  Speaker 4: How do you envisage reducing the level of federal government spending.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think there's two priorities.
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  Speaker 11: One they need to stop the spending spree and two
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  Speaker 11: they need to start growing the economic pie on the
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  Speaker 11: spending spree. I think there's two things they need to do. One,
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  Speaker 11: they need to introduce fiscal rules. Ever since the Hawk government,
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  Speaker 11: treasurers have had rules which basically constrains their spending.
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  Speaker 5: Jim Chalmers is the exception.
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  Speaker 11: Anthony Alberanezi has allowed him to have no rules whatsoever.
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  Speaker 11: And the second thing, Chris is just to do what
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  Speaker 11: families do at home, do what businesses do.
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  Speaker 5: When things get.
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  Speaker 11: Tight, you look line ited by line item and you
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  Speaker 11: ask yourself the question is this the right spend?
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  Speaker 5: Can it be done more efficiently?
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  Speaker 11: This is the thing that this government is not doing
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  Speaker 11: and the coalition must now.
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  Speaker 4: Tet O'Brien, as a deputy Liberal leader, your job, in
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  Speaker 4: part is to ride shotgun for the leader. And things
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  Speaker 4: have been a bit bumpy of late with some outspoken
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  Speaker 4: colin leagues, and the former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett brought
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  Speaker 4: into these arguments on this program last night.
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  Speaker 3: Here's some of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 12: When you have members of the party coming out as
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  Speaker 12: Andrew has done and sadly Jacinta did without being prepared
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  Speaker 12: to endorse their leader, of course that's undermining their position
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  Speaker 12: and I don't think that's acceptable.
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  Speaker 4: Tad O'Brien, Andrew hasty and just sent to now a
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  Speaker 4: Jebber Price undermining Susan Lee's leadership.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 11: I do understand there's been a lot of media about this, Chris,
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  Speaker 11: I really do. And for those who are not accustomed
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  Speaker 11: to the way the Coalition works, I understand too that
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  Speaker 11: they say, well, gee, you've got these senior people talking
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  Speaker 11: about their own views.
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  Speaker 5: This is the Liberal Party though, and I'm proud of that.
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  Speaker 5: For one.
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  Speaker 11: I think this is why we always are better in government.
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  Speaker 11: We are always better with policy because we have the
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  Speaker 11: robust debate. And there's no doubt that my colleagues are
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  Speaker 11: having just that debate, and we all express ourselves in
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  Speaker 11: different ways, and so I think Andrew has just been
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  Speaker 11: expressing himself his staunch views. I haven't taken offense to that.
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  Speaker 11: So I think we just need to get policy right.
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  Speaker 11: And Chris, that'll take more debate, but it's the only
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  Speaker 11: way to get policy right, and that is the Liberal
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  Speaker 11: Party way.
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  Speaker 5: It's freedom of speech.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's end where we began and get back
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  Speaker 4: to the energy and that zero debate.
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  Speaker 3: When will the.
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  Speaker 4: Coalition be announcing its new climate energy policy?
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: Well, again, I want to speak for Dan ten who's
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: doing a great job at running that process. But indeed
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: there's been meetings this week since he has returned from
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: the States, so work in progress, but a lot of
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: work is being done, Chris. You can be sure of that,
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: because what we do know is that prices continue to skyrocket.
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: Despite Labour's promise of a two hundred and seventy five
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: dollars reduction household power bills, we now have households paying
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: up to one three hundred dollars more than what Labor promised.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: The pathway they have Australia on is making us poorer,
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: weaker and more dependent as a nation. There is an
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: alternate pathway and that's what the coalition's working on right now.
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: But it really is a matter of saying, stay tuned, Chris,
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: We'll let the process go through.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: We're staying tuned and we're keen to sase. Thanks so
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: much for joining us, Teed. I appreciate it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I understand. Thanks for Chris, all the best.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Interesting stuff from Tet O'Brien there. Obviously, if we're going
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to reduce emissions, we need nuclear energy for industry, for
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: domestic supply, for our economy. But that's a pretty potent
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: argument there from Tet O'Brien that if you want the
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Orcus Deal to succeed, if you want us to successfully
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: running nuclear powered submarines in this country. We need a
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: domestic nuclear energy we need a civil nuclear energy industry,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: so that we've got that back up, that expertise, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: that know how in this country. A pretty telling argument
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I would have thought from Ted O'Brien there. But I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: want to get back now to Donald Trump's twenty point
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: plan for peace in the Middle East. There are those
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: signs of Hummas surrendering and releasing the hostage, releasing the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: hostages from Gaza.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: The terrorist group.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Has apparently asked for more time to review the conditions
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: of the peace plan. But as I keep saying, I
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be too optimistic. Hummus has never wanted peace. It's
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: destroying Israel that Hummus is focused on. Let's have the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: latest here from Fox News.
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: Israeli troops are takening their control over Gaza City as
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: Hamas considers President Trump's new ceasefire proposal. Israel and it's
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: Arab neighbors have already.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Accepted the deal.
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: The key sticking point is the timeline for the release
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: of those ostriges, but Hamas officials in and outside Gaza
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: have said it's important to remain positive about the possibility
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: of a ceasefire while Israel prepares to escalate its offensive
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: if Harmas turns down this deal.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Let's go now to Australia's longest serving foreigners, Alexander Downer,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: who joins US Live this week from London.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: This peace plan seems very comprehensive, has got a lot
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: of support from Arab nations. Do you have any expectation
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that Hamas may in fact agree to it?
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: Well, I uncautiously optimistic. I think it's hard to be sure.
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: But the difference this time is that the Arab nations
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: are pouring pressure on Hamas, and it's important to understand
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: the pressure they're applying. Also, of of course, funding sources
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: for Hamas will be cut off and armed supplies will
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: be cut off as well, so it makes it quite
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: tricky for them to keep fighting. To be frank, they
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: obviously don't want to disarm completely. That's one of their objections.
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: But I think the fact that President Trump has managed
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: to get such strong support here from the Arab nations
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: also from Turkey, I understand, is a key factor in
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: pushing towards this peace agreement.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So we have to hope that it works.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Isn't it pretty much an ultimatum.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Either they agree to this or Israel will finish off
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the military campaign in central Gaza and Gaza City and
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: eliminate what's left of the Hummas leadership. That's essentially what
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: they've been presented with them. And of course this this
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: escape route, if you like, free passage out of Gaza
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: facilitated by those other nations.
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: Yes, that's that's the proposition that's been put to them.
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: But remember is raland eliminating her Mus, particularly in Gaza City,
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: will have in doing that the support of the arab
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: at world, or at least the leaders of the Arab world.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: It's a very big difference to the situation they've been
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: in them up and until now. I mean, it's a
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: lot as though Arab leaders have a great deal of
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: sympathy for Hammas.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: They don't like Hammers.
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: But on the other hand, they've been cautious in criticizing
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: Hannahs and they've been very critical of the Israelis. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: this situation is going to change now of ham must
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: not back disagreement. In any case, I don't think they're
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: going to come up come Hammas going to ken Eaton
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: say they will check at the agreement outright, they're going
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: to continue to ask for more and more time, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: as President Trump has said, well they only have a
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: few days to make a plumb decision, but they'll play
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: for time as much as they can. And that's partly
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: because they're clearly very divided internally over what to do.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Let us hope they make the right call, because peace
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: for the people of Gaza is so overdue, but also
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: the twenty remaining hostages Israeli hostages alive. To get those
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: back into Israel would be such a blessing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: At this time, I just.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Want to ask you briefly whether you think Anthony Alberanezi
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: made a mistake in not catching up with Nigel Farage
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: while he was in the UK last week.
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: Well, and then it's his choice. In the labor narrative,
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: which they got from the American Democrats, they just copy
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: their lines from the Democrats and that there it's language
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: that's used in the UK by kir Starmer is that
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: people like Nigel Faras or a threat to democracy and
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: you know, shouldn't engage with these people. But the polls
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: show that if there was an election in the UK today,
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: Nigel Farage and his party reform would win outright. That's
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: because the public already after one year a completely disillusioned
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: with labor and the issue you were talking to Ted
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: O'Brien about a few minutes ago is the one that
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: really drives that dissolutionment. That's climate change policies and high
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: energy prices, the sort of windmills kind of approach to
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: climate change, and also immigration, particularly in the case of
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: the UK, illegal immigration. So that's driving huge public support
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: for reform. So it would have made sense for Anthony
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: alb and easy to have a conversation with Marshall Farage.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: As sure would have.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Now it might sing unlikely, but I'll explain why in
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: a moment.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I'm keen to get your.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Thoughts on some pretty sad celebrity news that's dominating the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: news in Australia and certainly in the US as well.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: It's about this, I'm guessing.
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: Hey everyone, it's Keith and Nick here.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: We are headed to the Prompt.
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: We found each other in this huge world, and we're
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: crazy about each other.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: Nick had such a truly otherworldly aura about her and
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: I felt.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: A bit like us meeting a real life princess.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the sad news that Nicole and Keith have separated
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: and are filing for divorce. And the reason I want
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to get your thoughts about this, Alexander is, of course
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you've told us before how.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: You originally introduced.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Them at an Australian event in the US.
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: As an Australia and function in Los Angeles. I was
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: in the green room talking to Nicole Kidman and Keith
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: Urban was brought in. To be honest with you, in
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: those days, I didn't know anything much about Keith Urban
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: and I said to Keith Urban and I shook hands
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: with him, and I said to him, do you know
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: Nicole Kidman And he said no, he didn't, And you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: they shook hands with each other and the rest is history,
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: or at least up until now. So it's sad to
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: see the relationship breaker.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: It is sad to see.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Indeed, your matchmaking work pretty well for about twenty years though, Alexander,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: thanks for joining us. I appreciate Alexander down of there,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: matchmaker and of course Australia's longest serving foreign minister we
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: catch up with every Thursday.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: On the other side, I want to get in Australi
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: in military perspective, on what Pete Pete Hegseth, the Minister
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: or Secretary for War and the US has said about
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the military there needing to shun military political correctness. As
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I mentioned yesterday, it was great to hear some plain
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: talking from a leading politician in an address to the
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: top brass of the US military. The Secretary for War
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Pete Hegseth tossed aside, the diversity is strength mantra and
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: through political correctness out the window.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Here is some of what he had to say.
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: This administration has done a great deal from day one
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: to remove the social justice, politically correct and toxic ideological
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: garbage that had infected our department. From this moment forward,
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: the only mission of the newly restored Department of War
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: is this war fighting, preparing for war and preparing to win.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Let's bring in my and Hamilton Smith, a veteran, a
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: former state politician and our chairman of the Australian Special
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Air Services Association. Good to talk to you again, Martin,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: could to be with you, Chris.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Was Pete Heickseth right?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: There would those sort of lessons apply equally to the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Australian military.
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: I think most of the buttons he was pressing that
• 32:15
  Speaker 17: day were right on. A lot of Australian veterans would
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: look at that and think, Yes, the ADF is there
• 32:20
  Speaker 17: to fight the warrior ethic.
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: You know, fat generals, fat soldiers. It's never a good look.
• 32:25
  Speaker 17: And it is a tough business and it needs fit, strong,
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: capable people. And I think the message they're sending is
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: tough enoup. You know, we're a war fighting department, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 17: that's the message. And I think the added messages and
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: we'll be watching and we expect you to perform or
• 32:43
  Speaker 17: you'll be gone.
• 32:43
  Speaker 14: And I think that's a pretty good message.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: What about the diversity of strength message to sort of
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: replete throughout the bureaucracy and business.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And he's saying there's no place for it in the military.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: We've heard a lot about that from our own defense
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: leaders over many years now. Nobody wants to embed in
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: tolerance or even tolerate in tolerance. But have they misdirected
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: the military by focusing on those aspects rather than the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: warrior ethic.
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: Well, remember when Justice Burerton looked into alleged war crimes
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: in Afghanistan, he said part of the problem was we
• 33:14
  Speaker 17: had a warrior ethic in the ADF and the Chief
• 33:16
  Speaker 17: the Defense Force and the Minister at the time agreed
• 33:18
  Speaker 17: with him. Now, who wants an Australian Defense Force that
• 33:22
  Speaker 17: hasn't got a warrior ethic Because when you job go
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: on to the battlefield, the warriors will.
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: Win and the non warriors will lose.
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: On the diversity thing, look, I've had a lot to
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: do with diversity.
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: In the army.
• 33:33
  Speaker 17: I think the women and minorities in the Army play
• 33:37
  Speaker 17: a really valuable role. They're fantastic and they do a
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: good job. But the point is there has to be
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: merit based selections. You can't have some sort of affirmative
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: action where people who are not deserving a promoted above
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: those who are simply on the basis of gender and race.
• 33:53
  Speaker 14: That's not what we're here to do. You here to
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: fight a war.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: The other argument is about what they do when it
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: comes to the battlefield or the roles in the military,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and Pete Haigseth got into that, Let's have a look.
• 34:05
  Speaker 16: When it comes to any job that requires physical power
• 34:08
  Speaker 16: to perform in combat, those physical standards must be high
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: and gender neutral. If women can make it excellent.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: If not, it is what it is.
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: If that means no women qualify for some combat jobs,
• 34:22
  Speaker 16: so be it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Pete Higsseth yesterday, and it's eerily similar to
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: what Andrew Hasty the Coalition Front Venture said a number
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: of years ago.
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: My personal view, since you've asked me, is that close
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: combat roles are incredibly exacting. That's why we have rigorous
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: selection courses.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And my personal view is that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 18: The fighting DNA of a close combat unit is best
• 34:49
  Speaker 18: preserved when it's exclusively male.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Similar arguments there, Martin, from Pete Higsseth and Andrew Hasty.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: They're both valid, aren't they They shouldn't he shouldn't be
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: admonished Hasty for expressing that view.
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: No, he shouldn't.
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: I think where the job requires physicality, strength, the carrying
• 35:09
  Speaker 17: of another soldier over your shoulder out of action to safety,
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: those sorts of physical characteristics.
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: It's a fair point to make.
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: Where the job requires intelligence, dexterity and intellect, it's a.
• 35:21
  Speaker 14: Whole different ballgame.
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: And that's why I think the Navy in the Air
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: Force are often a more welcoming environment for women because
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: they're on ships at sea, they man the equipment, they're
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: at Air Force bases, but out there in the field
• 35:37
  Speaker 17: in the words.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Be high enemy lines.
• 35:39
  Speaker 14: In fact, when you've got.
• 35:41
  Speaker 17: One hundred kilogram soldier go down with his combat equipment,
• 35:45
  Speaker 17: who's going to pick him up and carry him out
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: of danger? I think Kat's making a very good point,
• 35:51
  Speaker 17: and it's equally true in Australia. If you can't lift
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: the weight, then you shouldn't be there, regardless of gender.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Martin. I appreciate it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Terrific stuff, Martin Hablin Smith there for the Australia's Special
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Air Services Association, got to take a break. On the
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: other side, we'll get back into these anti Israel protesters
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: planning to tarnish the Opera House again. I'll talk to
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Zoe mackenzie. As I mentioned earlier, the pro Palestinian and
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: anti Israel protest is looking to march on the Opera
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: House on October the twelfth, same place they gathered at
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: two days after October the seventh two years ago. They
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: say they're marking the second anniversary of the October the
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: seventh atrocities.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: They actually take a different view to all this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: They've put out a press release that says the seventh
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: of October marks the two years since Israel launched its
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: genocidal campaign against the Palestinian people. This is just a
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: disgraceful lie. They don't know what they're talking about. Let's
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: bring in Zoe Mackenzie, the Shadow Assistant Minister for Education,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: joins us live from the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, k
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: joining us Zoe Looker. State and federal governments I think
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: have been pathetic on this stuff. They say they're living
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: it up to the police. We don't know what the
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: police will decide. Surely this protest should be kept away
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: from the Opera House.
• 37:13
  Speaker 15: Chris, It's a disgrace so close to the second anniversary
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: of what happened on the seventh of October two years ago,
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: that is an ongoing trauma for the people of Israel.
• 37:26
  Speaker 15: There remain some fifty hostages, of which we believe only
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: twenty are still alive in those tunnels under Gaza. For
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: those families who knew them, for everyone who's been focused
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: on this plan for the last two years, to be
• 37:39
  Speaker 15: running around and celebrating under the sales of the Sidney
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: Opera House is an outrage. Let us hope that by
• 37:45
  Speaker 15: the twelfth a peace deal has been reached, one is
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: put on the table. It has the vast endorsement of
• 37:53
  Speaker 15: Arab nations across the Middle East and beyond. So let's
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: hope by then where all celebrating is actually peace, the
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: return of those hostages to their home and a future
• 38:06
  Speaker 15: planning for Gaza frankly in peace, prosperity and security. But frankly,
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: to plan this while that trauma goes on, or those
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: lives are still being held hostage under the ground in Gaza,
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: it's a disgrace.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sicken thing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: They should be out there protesting for this peace deal,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: trying to urge hum Us to accept this peace deal,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: rather than planning this sort of hateful protest.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Let me go to your portfolio area of education.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: At the moment, the revelations about the foreign students vastly
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: outnumbering local students at Sydney University. Do you have any
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: concerns about that? Obviously it brings in big money for
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: the university, but are there concerns from an educational perspective?
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: So we have to think about the quality of education
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: being provided on our campuses, particularly to our domestic students,
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: but equally also to our international students. When I first
• 39:00
  Speaker 15: worked in the higher education policy area about twenty years ago,
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: that was the total number of students in the system,
• 39:07
  Speaker 15: about nine hundred thousand. We now have more than nine
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: hundred thousand enrollments of international students across Australia. What we
• 39:14
  Speaker 15: saw today was Sydney University having an international student number
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: of about fifty one percent. Frankly, I think that degrades
• 39:22
  Speaker 15: the education experience for everyone. We know now so many
• 39:26
  Speaker 15: people aren't actually turning up to lectures anymore. They're doing
• 39:29
  Speaker 15: their lectures online from home. One of the best experiences
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: you will have as a domestic or an international student
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: is to come to Australia and enjoy campus life. We
• 39:40
  Speaker 15: are degrading campus life by not having an appropriate balance
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: between domestic and international students. My personal feel is that
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: that should be around thirty percent. But what I feel
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: even more strongly about is that there must be a
• 39:53
  Speaker 15: diversity of countries from which students come. We need to
• 39:58
  Speaker 15: have students from Asia, but equally so the American North
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: America and Europe and indeed Africa if we can get
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: them here. We must have a diverse student body. That way,
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: you make sure everybody learns English. Everybody participates in the
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: great time they can have studying, learning, working, living in Australia.
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: We must not put too much interest into one particular
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: or two particular countries. Diverse market, great student experience, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 15: my personal feeling is about thirty percent is where it
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: should be, not around fifty one percent.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: It's just too much.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense for the students
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: and for Australia's interests as well. Thanks for joining us again, Zoe,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Zoey mackenzie. There from the seat of
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Flinders in Victoria. Let's stay in that neck of the woods.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Actually catch up with Robbo, the former chief footy writer
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: at the Herald Son Mark Robinson joins me. Now live Robo.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: It's always good to get back to some sport. But
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you know. The Lion's got the
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  Speaker 4: Grand Final on Saturday. But things move pretty quickly in
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  Speaker 4: the AFL. We haven't even moved onto the trading period
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  Speaker 4: yet and they've changed the rules.
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  Speaker 3: The bounce is gone. This is iconic.
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  Speaker 4: This is how we start a game of foot I
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  Speaker 4: know the umpires have had trouble bouncing it properly, but is.
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  Speaker 3: It the right thing to do to get rid of
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  Speaker 3: it all together. Matter of opinion.
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  Speaker 19: My opinion is yes, we're losing a lot of good
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  Speaker 19: umpires because I can't bounce the ball up at the
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  Speaker 19: start of a game. I think they've got to keep
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  Speaker 19: good decision makers and not bad bounces. It's really important
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  Speaker 19: and what will happen.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's going to be more rule changes. I suspect
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  Speaker 3: one of the rules if you look at it.
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  Speaker 20: There the big guys who's run across the.
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  Speaker 21: Line and start grappling each other like it's a wrestling mass.
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  Speaker 20: That is uglier than a bad bounce. The AFL must
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  Speaker 20: get rid of.
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  Speaker 21: The ability for ruckman to wrestle and let's get back
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  Speaker 21: to some athletic jumping.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, keep them a couple of meters apart and jump
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  Speaker 3: at each other. I agree. In the South Australian footing leg.
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  Speaker 4: They've had the last touch out of bounds is a
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  Speaker 4: kick in for some time rather than worrying about deliberate
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  Speaker 4: That's something I know the AFL is looking at as well.
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  Speaker 20: Absolutely, they're looking at it. Yeah, it's been in the
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  Speaker 20: standford for.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of years now.
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  Speaker 5: People, I speak to you over there they're really.
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  Speaker 20: Impressed with it. I'm a little bit more ambivalent towards
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  Speaker 20: that potential rule change. But at this stage, you've watched
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  Speaker 20: a lot of foot everyone watches football. How many ridiculous
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  Speaker 20: calls do we see about lacking intent of keeping the
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  Speaker 20: ball in? So the progressive tist will say, we's almost
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  Speaker 20: that already.
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  Speaker 3: So you might also bringing in as a rule.
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  Speaker 20: But I'm a little bit more reticent towards that rule
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  Speaker 20: than I am getting rid of the bounds.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now give us your thoughts to on the Mad Monday.
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  Speaker 4: Always every year we get a Mad Monday controversy, as
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  Speaker 4: usually social media.
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  Speaker 3: If people just didn't post this stuff, they'd be all right.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, a bunch of ity, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of footballers.
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  Speaker 4: Letting their head down and having a lot of fun
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  Speaker 4: getting into some idiocy for the day.
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  Speaker 3: How we just accept it for what it is.
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  Speaker 19: We're going to conflict me and you trees over the
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  Speaker 19: next couple of years.
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  Speaker 5: I think, no, I've had enough, and I'm not the
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  Speaker 5: every one.
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  Speaker 3: I've had enough.
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  Speaker 20: For Bailey Smith, I don't mind my jings.
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  Speaker 14: Everyone's got gens.
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  Speaker 19: My god, if they take your life and my life together,
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  Speaker 19: we wouldn't be on TV.
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  Speaker 3: So but they've got to come a stage where Bailey.
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  Speaker 21: Smith enough, Mark enough, stop painting yourself and your football
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  Speaker 21: club in a bad light.
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  Speaker 5: Three weeks ago we.
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  Speaker 20: Spoke about him and abusing and female photographer.
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  Speaker 3: Now he comes out and.
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  Speaker 21: This is I think less so but this one unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: Apology from the Geelong Cats.
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  Speaker 21: And so long as always supporting with their players always,
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  Speaker 21: but they's got this guy has got to grow up, mate.
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  Speaker 21: And it's easy for us old people to say grow
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  Speaker 21: up because at twenty three we weren't exactly mature either.
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  Speaker 21: But he's had so many warnings and he must take heed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, and keep off social media would be
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  Speaker 4: good to start, just quickly because Brisbane is the capital
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  Speaker 4: of the world for Ossie rules. Now, of course, with
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  Speaker 4: the Lions getting the second premiership in a row, do
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  Speaker 4: you think the Storm are going to bring the NRL
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  Speaker 4: home to Brisbane as well?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I have not the Storm. The Broncos over the Storm.
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  Speaker 5: How good of the.
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  Speaker 20: Broncos man the last two matches they win this flag
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  Speaker 20: and I've watched the last two games. They can make
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  Speaker 20: a movie about this team.
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  Speaker 5: They just never know how to die.
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  Speaker 3: They're going.
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  Speaker 19: That's against the team they have a tremendous amount of
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  Speaker 19: trouble with.
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  Speaker 20: I looked at the records, or I heard the record
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  Speaker 20: the other day. The Storm have got a very comprehensive
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  Speaker 20: win loss record over the Broncos.
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  Speaker 21: But these Broncos, jeez, you got some tickeer, haven't they.
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  Speaker 20: They've got some real ticket.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, my Storm, they are a very very profession
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  Speaker 3: no more. We will see.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that Maron ticker will get them over the line.
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  Speaker 4: The Broncos, we'll see. Thanks for joining us again, Robo,
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  Speaker 4: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get to a break.
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  Speaker 4: On the other side, we'll catch up with Tim Blair
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  Speaker 4: and of course Mark Nicholson to wrap up the week.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get into the panel now with Tim Blair from
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  Speaker 4: the Daily Telegraph joining us from Western Victoria and Mark
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  Speaker 4: Nicholson from step Mate Studios live from Melbourne. Thanks for
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  Speaker 4: joining us, both of you. I know most you would
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: have been keeping an eye on this flow tilla of
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  Speaker 4: activists heading for Gaza, of course, headlined by Greta Tumberg.
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  Speaker 4: The Israeli defense forces have intercepted them and here's Greta
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  Speaker 4: being arrested. Mark, you got to wonder what the carbon
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  Speaker 4: footprint of this protest.
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  Speaker 3: Then the interception would be by Now, yeah, there were.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of diesel powered warships coming in to go
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  Speaker 2: get them and all that sort of stuff. But look
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  Speaker 2: at them, mate, she's proud as she's happy. There she's
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  Speaker 2: got a single use plastic handed over to her nice
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  Speaker 2: water bottle. It sounded like, to be honest, this fly tiller,
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  Speaker 2: it was a disaster. Like, I think Israel did them
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  Speaker 2: all a favor. I think that thing sucked. It was
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  Speaker 2: the worst cruise through the Greek islands you.
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  Speaker 3: Could ever imagine.
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  Speaker 2: They had a mutiny, Greta was kicked off as captain,
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  Speaker 2: They were fighting each other. The stench, cris could you
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  Speaker 2: imagine the stench on that thing. It must have stunk
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  Speaker 2: through on that ship. So I think I think Israel
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  Speaker 2: have done not only them a favor, they've done the
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  Speaker 2: world of favor as well. Because now we can just
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  Speaker 2: get Greta thumberr off and she will be on to
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  Speaker 2: her next stunt. I assume that's what's going to happen next.
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  Speaker 4: The wafting mung beans across the decks, it would have
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  Speaker 4: been a ripper, And of course Tim we talked earlier
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  Speaker 4: in the week about how Greta bristle the suggestion this
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  Speaker 4: was merely a publicity stunt.
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  Speaker 3: She'll get a lot of publicity.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Maybe this will give them a give the Israeli
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  Speaker 1: authorities a chance to make these protesters watch the entire
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  Speaker 1: October seven documentary that they all turned away from on
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  Speaker 1: their earlier attempt to destroy things. They really don't want
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  Speaker 1: to know the truth at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what a good point.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, early on this little voyage, the floatilla claim
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  Speaker 4: that had someone firing firing rockets at them, it turned
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  Speaker 4: out to be one of them had misfired a flare.
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  Speaker 3: Their own flare was burning on deck. So they are clowns,
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  Speaker 3: and you're dead right.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly what they should do, is make them watch
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  Speaker 4: what actually happened on October the seventh. While they're at it,
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  Speaker 4: someone should show Anthony Alberizi I don't believe he's.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Ever taken the trouble or watch that stuff. Get either now.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: The other good news for both of you is that
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  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is coming back to Australia.
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  Speaker 3: She was here earlier in the year.
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  Speaker 4: She's coming back early next year to plug her book mainly,
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  Speaker 4: no doubt she's got to be interviewed by Julie Bishop
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  Speaker 4: of all people.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt we'll get some gems like this.
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  Speaker 22: I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
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  Speaker 22: what has been. You know, there is great significance to
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  Speaker 22: the passage of time in terms of what we need
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  Speaker 22: to do to see the moment in time in which
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  Speaker 22: we exist and are present.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Now, tim I think they've made I've missed a big
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  Speaker 4: opportunity here because I would not pay a dollar to
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  Speaker 4: see Julie Bishop interview and Kamala Harrison. I would, however,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: pay good money to see you have a chat with
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  Speaker 4: the on stage.
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  Speaker 3: Any chance you put your hand up for it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'll do that. I'll do that for free. Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: that would be a dream job. It'll be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun. Does Kamala Harris think that that we are
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: somehow providing votes? She considered that here's a place that
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: elected Albanezi, so maybe even I'm a shot, maybe they'll
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  Speaker 1: help me become the president. It doesn't seem actively, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the most intelligent of moves, but then again,
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  Speaker 1: it's Kamala House we're talking about you. Know maybe she's
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  Speaker 1: out here searching for Tim Wallas's replacement. She might find
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  Speaker 1: someone now even gayer than those jem players.
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  Speaker 13: Who knows.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you've worked up a Kamela voice. I hope
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  Speaker 4: you can do her voice for your next cartoon series.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: You give me a couple of drinks, mate, and I
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  Speaker 2: can get the slur just perfect. I reckon, I can't
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  Speaker 2: do it, so it's the only one.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: But I agree to I reckon, I reckon. You're right.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I reckon Albow might be the one bringing her out here,
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  Speaker 2: because I think Kamala is the only person that makes
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  Speaker 2: him look somewhat coherent and capable, which is saying a
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  Speaker 2: lot for her. But we've got to go, boys, we've
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  Speaker 2: got to.
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  Speaker 3: Go to this. Oh, buy the tickets, Chris. If you
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: don't want to pay for him, old, buy him b
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  Speaker 3: Yo hormones. It's a World Women's Leadership Conference or something.
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  Speaker 13: We'll go.
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  Speaker 1: We've got time own mad Monday.
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  Speaker 3: We'll all be there.
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  Speaker 4: You shout the tickets, you shout the tickets, and we'll
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: be there for sure. And I bet I bet Albo
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  Speaker 4: meets her. He didn't meet Nigel Ferras. I bet he
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: turns up to have an audience with Kamala. Thanks for
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  Speaker 4: joining us, guys. We'll catch up with you next week.
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  Speaker 4: That is all the time we got for you.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to start planning what I'm going to wear
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  Speaker 4: to the Kamala Harris event next year. Can't wait for
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  Speaker 4: that one. Have a great week, kids, Peter Kredlin up next,
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  Speaker 4: Kiers